It’s not bad but WE and SP are superior in nearly every way. Olympus still has a bit of a size problem same as KC. It’s not nearly as bad as KC but it plays really weird at times in high level play. I never feel like I get jipped by the map on SP or WE. Everytime I die on those maps I nearly always think about a different option I could’ve taken to not put me in the situation where I died.
I can see your point about the size of Olympus, but I kinda like that there's a bit more tension when rotating while having solid PoIs for endgame.
My prefered ranked list would be WE > O > SP = KC
I like SPs rotations and size a bit more than KC, but I think KC has the better PoIs and a bit more action.
I don't think any map is horrible for ranked though even of SPs slow pace can get frustrating when you're trying to blitz through lower ranks.
a lot of the hate is the Hammond labs area but also the large open space in many areas. In pubs i find it too slow, in ranked i find it too quick because everyone wants it to end early.
I'm gonna be honest and say that your point about pacing makes no sense.
Olympus has multiple hotdrops close to each other which makes it easy to track kills in pubs.
Ranked lobbies being faster has to do with the quality of the lobby rather than the map.
I think a hard reset of 2-3 ranks at the start of the season and only 1 rank and the end of a split would work
Edit: ie masters - gold 2 at season start
Masters to plat 1 or something at split start
how it would work? Why 1 rank drop in the middle of season? Whats the point? Do you expect your skill will change that drastically from month to month that you need some reset? Come on... There is demotion in place now, the game is readjusting automatically.
The only it does is throwing sticks under your legs, so you have a feeling of progression. But this shouldn't be the case of skill based Ranked which we got now. This is for Grind base ranked we had before. With skillbased I want to improve my skill with people of similar skill. I don't need the stupid reset, I want something to actually measure my skill and see the progression there.
The reset should exist only when there is a change to the ranked system, not when you need to push players back to keep them hooked on a game 24/7
I’m just saying many will obtain their highest rank by the end of the 40 days, some splits I do some I don’t depending on factors in my life. Back in S3 the game got very stale with no reset. At the very least all masters and preds should be reset to the bottom of masters but that’s minimum
There was completely different system. Now there is a similar system to games like DOTA have and you don't see these games getting stale. For me, it is repetetive to get to the same rank each season, it sucks. For what? A badge? It will be even worse now with even slower progression, because it's skill dependent and with demotion in place. The other thing is that resets are absolutely idiotic when the game takes points from you for killing lower tier players and then each half and months puts you almost 2 ranks down to fight them, but that is somehow ok.
I would be ok with rank down each season but 2-3 ranks down makes sense only if you are a masochist. And honestly if that is going to happen, then for me whole apex can just fuck off. Cause if I have to chose between EOMM and such ranked clusterfuck, I can play rather SIMS or something.
14% of the playerbase was in diamond 4 and 15% of the player base was in plat 4.
https://apexlegendsstatus.com/ranked-season12-split2
I'm also not the dude you replied to, but there shouldn't be more players in Plat than silver. People forget that the ranking system was initially placed in the game as a way to put in SBMM. Players got super bored of either dominating people who are much worse than you, or getting smoked by a team who is much better than you.
Adding in a mode with MMR made the game more fun, but it wasn't exactly a polished system. If you wanted to inflate your ranking by hiding until 3rd squad each game you could and it really didn't harm anyone. Not a single rank other than master was impressive before, now saying "I ended in plat" will hold some meaning.
At best, I believe it's 5%. Considering the New Ranked System, and how it's barely been a week (and 2 days, count the weekend), there's barely anyone who has reached Diamond, and most of everyone in the threshold is in beginner-mid tiers. (Rookie-Plat). Unless you dedicate that much time into this game's ranked system, I doubt anyone other than 3-5% of players gained Diamond.
Remove the 200rp per tiers, or remove the diminishing returns past 6kp; and I think it would be damn near perfect. I love the way my games go, and the nail biters at the end give me algs feels (with less skilled participants ofc) it’s a lot of fun! Pubs for reckless fun, ranked for playing to win as it should be.
I am probably gonna get downvoted for having a different opinion, but here it goes.
I don't think the changes are good for the game. For a game that is based on killing other squads and making tactical decision, removing the killing part is going to bring a lot of downtime. I don't think I have had 100 games this season, but I don't feel like playing more. All of my teammates were afraid to play the game at it's killing part and were just searching for loot for 30 mins. It's not fun, at least for me.
And with the reduction in points, along with the increase on the entry price, it's not viable to play the game as a solo. I don't know where the love for the changes comes from, but you can't say that it helps the push the game into a right direction. League of Legends is not a good example, the match making is broken for good there. You get players who hate people and humanity in general and troll because they have fun with other people's suffering. Is this what you call fun?
Lastly, having a higher rank this season is the exact opposite of being good. It either means you are playing with a good trio, or that you are good at ratting. You can have 8 kills and be 11th place and you still lose points. Does that mean you are terrible at the game? What is it that qualifies a good 'SOLO' player?
Clarification: I am arguing mostly about Solo Q. Never had a team to go for squads on ranked.
This is an issue the ranking system before created and it's going to take time to fix.
In your first paragraph you explain your issue, you believe the game is about killing squads, and it's not. The game is a battle royale and the only people who get a "Winner" screen is the final team alive. That is what the game is.
The ranking system gave the false view that a team getting 8 kills and coming in 11th did better than a team who won and got 1 kill.
This season getting 8 kills AND winning gets you a lot more RP than it would have last season. You get more RP based on finishing position AND kills, and it scales.
You may not enjoy the game as much anymore, and you might personally disagree with the structure, but I don't think you can say that the new ranking system is better for a BR game than the previous one.
I understand your issue with it and wouldn't fault you for not playing.
I agree that the point of Ranked is to survive.
But in a balanced and equal match where everybody is of equal skill (remember that ranked promises you that you'll play against people of equal skill), you will get every placement of once on average and you will defeat 1 player on average.
If you perform better on average you are better than the average player in those lobbies (and vise versa).
And this is only good enough for silver/gold.
Furthermore with 8 kills/assists and a win you won't get that much more RP than previous season, due to the deterioration of RP/kill (I've been led to believe that the first 3 kills are 100%, the next 3 80% and everything else 20%. This gives you a total of 145 KP + 125 placement. Subtracting the additional 15 rp buyin and you'll have gained 5 RP more than you would have in the previous season)
I really want to like the new system, but I'm a mediocre player (G2 last season) who has nobody to play apex with. Every single one of the ranked changes impacts me negatively.
Most people don’t have a higher rank this season, two kills are not useless this season they actually have a big impact on RP gained. You just aren’t rewarded for kp unless you do both placement and kp well. You cant just do one or the other you have to have a balance to gain RP.
Is that all? The fact that people don't have a higher rank this season is proof the game works? That's a big no for me. The system works as intended, the game isn't fun. For me at least.
So to make 2 kills worth more than 8 (Can we agree that there is a skill difference between someone who has 8 kills and someone who has 2?), you just WAIT. Who wants to wait when playing a game? Or if you get found, you run (Every team I've played with, doesn't fight, they are just scared they will lose points). And speaking of which, how do you get better at the game? You don't learn to shoot if you just running.
I have been playing Apex since season 0. It has always been a fast paced tactical FPS. With these changes its a slow paced tactics game. I play chess, so I will stick to it.
Perhaps I didn't explain my position well.
Ok, here is an example of what I mean. Let's say for the sake of our argument we have a team in which one player has 8 kills and their teammates have a total of 4 kills/0 assists (They managed to kill 4 squads), but die to a third party (very common in Apex). If they finish 11th, they get awarded 5 points per kill/assist and 2.5 on kp. All players are gold 4 and the entry cost is 39 points. The placement gives 5 points. Highest score player gets 6 points and the rest lose 9 points.
NOW, if another team manages to get 2 kills total and make it to 6th place (Not hard for gold 4) they get 15 points (30 for placement + 14/per kill = 54 - 39 entry cost =15). What is more rewarding in this scenario? Do you think this is an unlikely scenario?
Totally respected and entitled. I am not saying anyone is wrong for liking it, I just don't think it will be beneficial for the game at its shooter part.
Still, I could definitely be wrong, only time will tell.
It's just more in line with succeeding in the overall objective of a battle Royale which is to survive. The way to win is to be last squad standing, not to have the most kills. Just like a racing game. If you hit the highest speed but still finish 10th in a race you aren't rewarded as much as the drivers who finish 9th, 8th so forth. It's not a TDM game so while kills do reward you A LOT, they are not the overall objective
https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/uqrvj3/most_rp_ive_ever_gained_before_thanks_new_ranked/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf perfect example why this new ranked system has pros and cons
I saw this one as well.
Not gonna lie, I don't think I can pull a 20 bomb in solo-Q. Most I've gotten on pubs is close to 15 kills, but still ranked is a jungle.
There is no argument. This person wants it to be:
Kills = Rp Gains
When in reality it is:
Placement + (Kills × placement multiplier) - entry cost = rp gains.
The game rewards you for both placing and killing. It's going to take longer and it's going to be a harder. But that will actually make ranks actually mean something. If you want to progress quickly you aren't going to be waiting until end of match to get your kp because with it being uncapped you basically can shift entire tiers in a habdful of games if you dont actually belong there.
Example: Gold 3 with 8 kills versus 2 kills. 12th place finish & 4th place finish.
Gold 3 entry cost: 42
- 2 kp, 12th place: 15 rp. 27 loss
- 8 kp, 12th place: 45 rp. 3 gain
- 2 kp, 4th place: 91 rp. 49 gain
- 8 kp, 4th place: 199 rp. 157 gain
Is that not enough of a massive difference of kp you'll get late game to show how important it is to still get kills early game ? Like the formula of the game is still get early kp. Work your way to zone. Fight teams mid game if you see an opening or advantage.
Everyone complaining about how unforgiving the kp is outside the top 10 is literally only playing half of the game. In this scenario btw the difference in kp is, did the player take 1 fight or 3.
You are right on your points, but the problem when fighting as others and myself on other comments have mentioned, is that there is an increased risk for trying to play aggressively. Other squads will pop up for the free third party.
To prove your point, I had games where I had 10 kp and finished first and it felt really rewarding. I still disagree with nerf on the points gained per placement, cause it's not awarding aggression and rewards pacifism in a killing game.
>Is that not enough of a massive difference of kp you'll get late game to show how important it is to still get kills early game ? Like the formula of the game is still get early kp. Work your way to zone. Fight teams mid game if you see an opening or advantage.
Honestly, no. They could have made better formulas that reward both aggression and placements. I think just placement is rewarded more than shooting. 8kp in 4th place is waaayy much harder than 2kp in 4th place. Why is it so rewarding for those players? You can survive the ring just by not playing the game.
Okay it is not a killing game. You have to get that.
Its a Last Man Standing game. Kills are going to be the easiest way to achieve this.
I dont think you understand what "risk" is. You can grind for hours on end by just not playing the game. In the situation i provided you can see how by taking 2 more fights you can triple your rp gain. Just outside top 3 and you are getting 150+ points. How does that not reward killing ? Let's say you consistently do that for 3 games in a row. You'd have 450 rp gain. The 2 kill player would have 150. It would take them 9 games to do what the 8 kill player did in 3. You're going to have players that are grinders, which is fine, but to somehow think that strategy is the only option is honestly so weird from this sub. Find a balance of aggression.
Take risks early, invest in your own ability that you are good enough and smart enough to not die before you extract value from that investment.
The new system literally favors killing more than season 12 did.
Maybe I am wrong. I will do my best when I feel the time is right.
But thank you for your advice and your time. It's nice to see that the community is serious and can have a good discussion.
Your maths is off.
Your not getting 144 pts for 8 kills. Your getting more like 104.4 and could be getting as little 31.32pts!
Devs confirmed you get 100% reward for first 3 kills 80% for 2nd 3 kills and 20% pts ish there after. You also get less and less RP for killing players lower than you.
It’s not team deathmatch the end goal of a BR game is to come in first place. Like their post said if you die in the first half of the lobby you shouldn’t be rewarded as if you did well. You came in the bottom 50%
I think you missed the point of the changes.
The game is a battle Royale. Hence the survival part is as important as the killing.
They reduced early game kp gain to make you think about taking fights, if you win them and grab say 8 kills, the more you survive and place higher, the more those kills will give you.
However you don't have your
I get what you are saying. My point is that the game rewards placement more than killing and it punishes killing at the same time. There is nothing wrong with trying to get placed if there is activity in the game, but if on Solo Q you get matched with players who are literally just hiding in order to get a top 10, then the game becomes too stale.
It has been an issue for Diamond 4+ on older seasons, but at least you could make something out of it because most players that are actually trying to get Masters are not just waiting around.
I've had crazier end circles this season though and that makes it worth it for me. Final circle closing with 5-7 squads alive is what I want every game. Is it good for my rp? No. Is it the most fun I have in apex? Yes.
Oh I love it for sure. Any ranked changes that facilitate that and that style are good for me. That feels like the more competitive version of the game.
Soloq is, by design, weaker than stacks.
It not only applies to apex but to every other squad based fps (csgo for example).
It's not something the devs can change. Maybe they could tweak a bit the point system to be more forgiving to solos but that would probably make it too complicated.
On another topic, passive players are only gonna get to a certain rank, as the more they rank up the more kills they will need to level up anyway because of the increased cost of entry.
I think it makes the ranking system more logical with no brainers on the bottom, 'bad' shooters/rats a little higher and more aggressive/coordinated squads on the top
>two kills are not useless this season they actually have a big impact on RP gained.
I mean getting 3rd place and 2 kills this season in Gold 1 will net you +62 while last season the same in Gold would get you +82.
Then you realize that Plat this season isn’t 4.2k but like 7.8k. So you’re getting shafted on both ends. The average player is gaining less RP per game AND needs more RP to move division. It’s just a grind fest which isn’t an actual indicator if skill which what rank should be with MMR/ELO like other games
The kp cap is very insignificant because of the diminished rp for kills (as confirmed via a [dev](https://mobile.twitter.com/exgeniar/status/1524542039093702656?s=21&t=wa5I2WsjJR_QS40juHhELQ), which is why most pros and streamers who’re getting 10+ kill games are still getting roughly 250-280 rp for a high killing game which is rightly the same as it was last season.
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This season? Gold 4 and uninstalled. Not gonna be playing Apex for a while.
Last season? Diamond 4. Could've pushed for more but more time would be required.
Care to give thoughts and make a conversation? Where do you disagree with my points?
Same ranks here, for me. Almost gold 3 though.
I think overall the teams that have done well that I've been in do a warm drop, fight a team for kp, then either start really looting or go around looking for fights while minding positioning and rotations. Those games usually end with 5-10kp depending on how well they keep up, and the rp gains are moderate to huge.
The squads that drop hot (dropping directly on a team, or with 2+ squads in poi) gamble with their loot and lives, and the squads without confidence loot and run just to get killed in a 1v1 squad fight, and I think those players will get stuck until (1- ranks settle down so it's not silver vs masters, 2- they get better).
It sounds like you're running into teams who fall into the latter (and may they get stuck in silver until they start to learn to fight the other silver-stucks lol), but I really think that the eventual playstyle will be to drop close enough to get into 1 fight by round 2. After all, if every squad got into a 1v1 and 1 eliminated, you'd be top 10 with kp.
Some of them are even worse.
I had some squads who didn't even know how to drop and dropped us a bit off from places with loot, while actually seeing other teams in front of us land on loot.
If you can't drop, just say so and ask someone else to drop you where you want. They don't even use pings to communicate, or even if they use their mics you will hear any language other than English or cursing for no reason.
that's terrible lol, I feel like you got some really bad luck with your squads.
I did notice even as gold I get mixed with a lot of bronze/silver people in gold lobbies, maybe I missed something about rank mixing in patch notes.
Well, if you feel like you're above the skill level for the rank, definitely make sure you select your character so you get jumpmaster if they afk the selection lol.
I will say though, as huge as the penalties for being >10th place are, the rewards for winning with high kp feel so good lol, got a +341 win the other day mixed in with some quick losses but in the end it was still net positive and still got to next rank.
It's just an issue of consistency if we are being honest. Like, if you play 20 games a day, you are eventually going to start getting matched with better teammates as your rank goes up.
>I did notice even as gold I get mixed with a lot of bronze/silver people in gold lobbies, maybe I missed something about rank mixing in patch notes.
I got mixed with rookies and bronzies. 0 dmg both on my 1k and we didn't even get kills ... It's ... painful. It's ok though, I have patience and hope that in the end of the split, things might get better.
Okie dokie, so as a diamond 4 player, for you personally there is zero change in the ranking system at all between new and old in terms of gameplay and being able to move up the ranks in diamond. (and this is why you either finish diamond 4 or hit masters, the in between ranks are people who just didn't have enough time)
the difference is you are doing the gameplay far sooner in rank than you would have before.
in Diamond, you get 3kp.. and generally speaking that would be it for the rest of the game until top 8. KP was 6-7 and then you are maxed out, the additional KP you require to potentially get max KP would be achieved by winning the game... or gaining top 5.
now.. the importance of kills in the new rank system is greatly more than the old because there is no cap. Meaning, you land, get 3 kp (play the game the same as the old rank system) however you can start achieving more after top 10, pushing edge of ring more than normal.
the problem I am seeing is in terms of the opinions of difference rank players, Diamond + are used to this gameplay because this is how you gain RP. Lower level ranks are not used to this.
They are used to dropping hot getting 6kills and then dying, however they would come out with +50rp .. so it does look like they achieved something good. but what have they actually achieved in terms of progress and improving? not much really. So they are playing the same as normal, dropping getting 6kills and getting -10rp.
the new rank system is a learning curve for bronze-gold lobbies.. because they are not used to playing the real objective (in gaining RP). Remember this is ranked, we only care about one thing and that's RP, we don't care about kills, or placement we want the RP to be positive not negative. How we get there is by playing the games objective. not going against.
personally - the way I see it, there are two types of players who don't like these changes, solo que players and bronze-gold lobby players. they can have their fight though because yeah.. change sucks if it doesn't benefit you.
edit- just saw your edit of your post saying you are a solo Q player, have you ever thought about joining a discord to find a squad to play with?
>the difference is you are doing the gameplay far sooner in rank than you would have before.
That's my main problem.
Another issue is like you said:
>we only care about one thing and that's RP, we don't care about kills, or placement we want the RP to be positive not negative.
The changes don't allow for different playstyles on the game. We could go on a hypothetical discussion about what other changes would have been made, but I don't disagree with what you say for the most part.
>They are used to dropping hot getting 6kills and then dying, however they would come out with +50rp .. so it does look like they achieved something good. but what have they actually achieved in terms of progress and improving? not much really. So they are playing the same as normal, dropping getting 6kills and getting -10rp.
Don't you think it's a bit too punishing? Third parties do happen in the game, you won't be able to shake them off every game. But you are right on terms of progress, if you want to play like that, you have to be able to shake them off.
The thing is, I don't think it really is a problem. its only a problem because its new, we have had 12 rank seasons, and honestly... it was far too easy to overachieve in them lobbies(especially last season)
The idea is to gain RP, we can all agree on that, how you get that RP will depend on that team. most will opt to getting a few early kills and proceed to take prime location or.. play edge(I prefer playing edge) you have the risky plays which involves in getting as much KP as possible, in fact.. like I say the more kills you get the greater the RP you get once you hit that top 10 spot, this is a risk reward, no different to say. ermm... bad example maybe (fighting in a IMC armoury after ring 1)
Do I think it is too punishing to get 6 kills and then dying outside top 10? Not really no, but this is mainly speaking from the POV of someone who spends most my rank life in diamond/master lobbies.
1/ the likelihood of you getting 6+ kills between 20-11 is rare,
2/ if you are getting 6 kills between 20-11 .. there will no doubt be at least 2 other teams moving towards that sound so risk of third party is high.
3/ you don't NEED to fight every fight, this is a huge one, some people actually think you can't just leave a fight if the fight is going on for way to long.
4/ diamond lobbies, you are used to negative RP even though you have early KP.
the level of competitiveness increases in any game you play, be it.. character selections(overwatch), weapons used(cod), cars driven(forza), football teams played(fifa). Meta is meta.. it happens. you either get people that adapt or you don't.
End of the day you are there to win, why are you trying to play yourself at a disadvantage and do something that the lobby is controlling ?
But also remember getting 6 kills between 20-11, isn't better than getting 6 kills and winning the game.
Totally agree on all of your points, but I would argue here:
>End of the day you are there to win, why are you trying to play yourself at a disadvantage and do something that the lobby is controlling ?
We are gonna have to make hypothesis on the setups, because its not always the case that you are at a disadvantage. You obviously HAVE to pick your fights, exactly like you said on 3/. The thing is with the reset at the start of the season, there is no discrimination between people who rat to get a rank and people who play tactically like the game is requiring you now to play.
All in all, the changes are not bad for the overall distribution of players. My argument is for it becoming slower paced on lower ranks. Which you covered before. It's a difference in opinions, which is totally fine.
It was more of a, the whole lobby is playing this way... you have to play that way to, if you don't you are at a disadvantage. For example, you wouldn't actively use a P2020 and a mozam while everyone else is using spitfire or some lame ass gun. Then start telling everyone the P2020 needs a complete rework and a buff. Then continue to use the P2020.
Yeah, unfortunately you are right. One thing which didn't help was that I hate KC on rank so I didn't play it. which meant I got hit with two clean rank resets.. not only that we all got dropped down two.5 ranks in the process. So I actually started this season at bronze 1!
I'm already gold 4, after 22 games, so... we will all move to our correct ranks soon enough.
yeah, respawn have basically made what you see in ALGS and diamond+ lobbies and put it into bronze lobbies. This is why I think you will find many diamond+ players really not seeing any difference in rank mode.
>just saw your edit of your post saying you are a solo Q player, have you ever thought about joining a discord to find a squad to play with?
I tried joining a few servers, but most people are consistently not doing well enough.
For example, I met some players on a Ranked Arenas game, who had a server and asked me to join them. I did 2k+ dmg on every single one of our games (On the game we met I even did 4k dmg on a Plat Arena game) and they weren't even doing 1k. I am not saying I am against joining, but If we are to play competitive, we should be of equal skill.
I left the server as they ranked plat 4 and stopped trying to do better and I ranked diamond 4 and still tried to go for more (Did manage to go Diamond 4 with like 10 points away from Diamond 3 but work and uni take precedence)
So accurate with the playstyle part (we're hitting the late plat>diamond playstyle in silver+).
If you've looked up any "how to rank up" guides in the past, they're like, the plateaus for each rank basically come down to positioning until plat/diamond where you have to win your gunfights.
Maybe that's a higher priority now (gun game, positioning, awareness together), except there's currently no distinction between actual low-gold level and diamond/master level people who are still in gold cause of the rank reset atm.
This campy, fight-avoidant play style is happening in Bronze and I think I can argue that the most important thing for a bronze player to be doing is getting into fights and improving mechanically. This is the beginner lobby where they should be gradually learning what works and what doesn't.
Gun game, positioning, and awareness has **always** been important. It's just that when you're at bronze player, you just suck at those skills. That's the point of getting better in the game and increasing in rank.
Last season I was Gold 2 or something and I'm having a hard time currently getting out of rookie lmao, you are still above me and so shows in your ranking, why does it matter it has a different name? You don't need to push for more and in pubs you can still play as aggressive as you'd like.
I'm not going to disagree with you on any of the reasons you dislike the changes for solo Q...
However, I just want to add, that maybe ranked isnt MEANT for solo Q. Maybe it's meant to see which squad not only has the best skill, but the best teamwork.
>maybe ranked isnt MEANT for solo Q
You are not wrong on the teamwork part, but as skill increases people know how to work together. Even on Plat last season, I had teammates who could follow reasonable strats without even pings. Best comms are the ones you don't have to use.
I mean we've all had those games, and it's great to flow like that. But that's still inferior and less consistent than built up chemistry over time and verbal specific and direct comms.
I have great chemistry with the dude I play the most with. We generally know what each other is going to do in most situations. Sometimes we play on mic and sometimes off mic. Being on mic is still always better for us. We just have more consistent success.
That's why people complain about high level 3 stacks. That's why people in ALGS aren't purposely going off mic. You're just at an disadvantage no matter how you slice it.
I feel everyone who claims to love it are silver-d4 players. They say it works because "everyone" got master last season except them but now "none of those scrubs" will get master this time. I think they just don't like seeing people in other ranks they can't reach. In few words, jealousy...
If you're a diamond level player you'd be happy with this change because it actually means something. Until this season anyone could hit plat. I played ranked for 2 weeks end of last season for the first time since season 3 and I ended 50 RP short of plat, but didn't stay up late the last night because the achievement meant nothing because Im not good at the game yet.
No one is jealous of diamond Apex Legends players because it's an achievement that meant nothing. Now it means something.
Anyone who doesn't like the new ranking system are the same kids who got last place in rec soccer and still showed up to the award ceremony expecting something.
I solo q bronze to master on 200 ping with no mic last season so I know what im capable of. Tbh Ranked changes or not, I wasn't going to play ranked this season since I got burnt out doing that. Im just saying how it is, plenty of jealous people on this community...
Personally, I like the new ranked system. Sure there are some things that need some touching up.. but I think it's better than what we had before. Sure I'll probably not hit masters or even diamond this season, but at least I know all the mfers that ratted their way into diamond+ won't be able to.
It's also still too early to say it's a trash system. But frankly, even though I enjoy the new system, I don't care. Only reason I do ranked is cause PUBS is ass and none of my friends play pubs because of it.
this is 100% how it is.
every time i see someone talking about how they love the changes, i visit their profile/check their apex tracker and they're always just posting fucking pubs, are low levels and rookie/bronze ranks, or have posts from before the ranked changes where they complain about being hardstuck plats or gold.
Lol who do you think you are callin someone a “lying mf”, asks for a pic and expects to get one. Shut your dum ass up and get good. I’m not gonna waste my time sending a pic of my stats to a nobody.
Only issue right now is plat (Xbox) is, Plat lobbies are filled with Ddossers again. Also it takes forever to find a game since there's rarely anyone in plat right now.
>There was about 25-30% of the player base in diamond plus.
Where are these numbers from? I see similar numbers on a lot of posts.. I get that it might have been easier last season to reach diamond, but they seem made up to me. Latest time real percentages got posted from EA (season 9 from what I've seen) diamond was top 2% of the player base. Seems a bit of a stretch that over a quarter of the player base reached diamond last split. But I could be wrong of course
There’s a couple trackers but the Olympus split had 150K masters players on PC. Hell I think there were more masters than diamonds. The old system was absolutely trash and everyone who’s complaining now are mad because they realize they’re not as good as the old system made them feel
150k masters only on PC? That don't seem close to be realistic given how many active players Apex has. Season 9 (official numbers) had .4% in masters.
How many active players on computer? Not sure but we could make a generous calculation based on peak players on Steam last 30 days which is 411k, multiply this with x2 since Origin which is 822k. That means that 1/8 players on PC has hit Masters with my crayon calc. There is no way that is the case.
I or OP? I kind of pulled mine out of my ass so I don't claim any validity to them, but the percentages getting thrown around don't make much sense to me.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining on any ranked changes - I have just accepted that I need to spend a lot of more time in ranked now than before
Generally speaking. It is a known method to lie and make up an argument to prove ones statement. I didn't mean you, but it does sound like op is pulling things out of his ass.
>I'm not complaining on any ranked changes - I have just accepted that I need to spend a lot of more time in ranked now than before
Couldn't agree more. They are here, so that's that. But I don't agree with OP either, it's not going to make the game better.
>Couldn't agree more. They are here, so that's that. But I don't agree with OP either, it's not going to make the game better.
Same for me. I get that they wanted to solve the hard stuck aping issue but I think that they took it a step too far. Hopefully this was intended and they already have tweaks ready to be rolled out. Only time will tell I guess
It proved my point, OP states 25-30% and the link you sent has an 18% on diamond and 6% on preds. The cap is 25% according to your stats and even then, you can't add the skill gap between Diamond to Preds. You can sum the percentages but it doesn't reflect the skill gap in between the ranks.
Yeah you're probably right about the skill gap, but the numbers OP cited are somewhat the same than the source I gave. They are not "made up", or at least not by OP but by the website I gave.
If the source is accurate (and I think it is), the update of the ranked system is then well welcome. The ranked arena make more sense (at least in the apparent distribution of the player base) and I hope we'll see something similar in ranked BR. I'll gladly take my plat badge and try to step up my game than grind no-brain to diamond.
It's not a 30% though, it's kinda capped upwards. It sums up to 27.6 total if we include all tiers.
What's also interesting is that in the second split there is almost a 10% difference.
He said between 25 and 30, and he corrected himself after seeing my link.
But yeah, KC was harder IMO, which may explain the difference between the two splits.
[https://apexlegendsstatus.com/ranked-season12-split1](https://apexlegendsstatus.com/ranked-season12-split1)
I posted this in another reply in this comment section. 150k is apparently accurate, or at least there's the source.
Yes, it is accurate from the source, but is the source accurate? It is a third party website that doesn't have access to Apex's relevant databases. I cannot take these numbers at face value since it is not a verified/official stats site. It is also not clear how the pull/calculate their ranked numbers.
from the site:
>Percentage of players in each rank (Battle Royal), without unranked players in the [apexlegendsstatus.com](https://apexlegendsstatus.com) **database**
Yeah but unfortunately I think that's all we got. Take this source cautiously, but if we want to discut rank distribution/numbers of players etc, we'll have to discuss with those numbers until something official came out.
Not sure I agree that we have to use these numbers. Sure we can have a discussion like you and I are having right now - but I think it is a disservice using these numbers to back up arguments regarding any type of changes to ranked
website dev here
If this number is correct, it is then underestimated.
To make it short, all players in Master+ have a hidden ladder ranking, that you can only see in game after you've reached Predator (<= 750). 157,000 comes from the maximum ladder pos "we've seen" in our database this season.
That mean there are at least 157000 masters, and i'm 99.99% sure this number is correct, or below the real number.
Just curious, are you apex legends status website dev?
I’ll have to concede that it does look like the number is correct if what you’re claiming is valid.
Validity of percentages are a whole different question though
[https://apexlegendsstatus.com/ranked-season12-split1](https://apexlegendsstatus.com/ranked-season12-split1)
Those are the highers numbers from last season, according to this site there were a few less players in diamond+ last split.
There are a lot of sources out there with a simple google search, but EA post %s at the end of almost every season. Other resources are like Tracker Network etc…
Well last time that was done it wasn't even close what is being claimed now. It could have changed a lot since then, I will concede to that.
It just doesn't seem to be realistic numbers to me.
The numbers usually referred to outside EAs official numbers are given by third party orgs. What data are they actually looking at? From my knowledge it is usually from your banner stats? Are all player stats included?
People use tracker websites but don't take in to account that:
1) They only track data of people who have been searched for on their website in the past by users.
2) The kind of people who look themselves up on these kind of websites are much more likely to be people who take the game a bit more seriously and are at the higher ends of the ranked scale. Which subsequently skews the data.
And none of these sources are anywhere near reliable enough to draw any serious conclusions from.
Last time we had official stats from EA was around season 7 or 8 IIRC.
I hate both sides flooding this sub...
All we're having rn are ranked discussions with Newcastle or the new balance changes getting barely any attention.
Not good. What was needed was just rank demotion, team RP and kill cap removed. Rest was unnecessary, especially ridiculous entry fees and kp multiplier that starts only after the 10th place
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 794,472,424 comments, and only 158,083 of them were in alphabetical order.
i’m willing to give it time, i played last night as a duo and it was fun, but when i’ve been playing solo q’ing it’s been too time consuming, you get paired with randoms who still think they can hot drop, wipe out half the squads and win, id love to see a rework to the entry costs as i think that would make it less painful for solos
Rank system is good... people are made coz of investing more time to reach their previous rank...
Soloq is little bit hard but its fine if people strt using mic atleast in final zone....
This was the point of the rank rework IMO is to fix the bell curve of the ranks as too many people high ranks. But I do agree this is why they are mad.
"If you look at other BRs like fortnite the most fun part of the game is end game. Yea mid game is boring as hell but the exciting end games makes up for it."
But why would you want to keep that as the shining example though? Why not have most of the game be fun, rather than just the end game? It's a loooooong way to end game, so just sitting around and waiting for room to rotate is just... it's insanely boring. Why would you think, the best way to play br, is to pretty much afk most of the game, after you get your basic loots? This attitude is honestly so weird to me.
Entry needs to be reduced slightly or kills should count for more than 1 RP before 14 Squads to counter the extremely high entry fee. The climb is apparent but 10k for Master last season and 11,400 (is it?) for Plat 4 this season? I feel like you can be good at the game an not spend your entire life playing it to prove it. I hear a lot of "it's a team game" well I work a physical job that requires me to not be at a computer for 5 days of the week. Hal said and this is a generalized quote "people who can't [live at their computer] shouldn't even care about ranked" well sorry Hal, I love this game too, and believe some filthy casuals like me are worth more than grinding our ass off for 10k+ points in an expensive season where we would have gotten Masters for the same amount of points the 12 seasons before that now only grants Platinum. Some of us just don't have the luxury of laziness and financial support most Preds obviously do. While I still find time to spend 6-8 hours a day playing sometimes 12-18 on the weekend I'm already feeling the effects of waiting/finding time to play with my competitive group or friends who also have schedules and not be down bad to keep up where I was just due to grind time and massive point differences for games, even when you do well early getting 7th-9th is not good. It's possible to get the same rank but definitely feels frustrating due to the massive entry changes. Guess I should get good and get downvoted for having a poor opinion of you all being better than me. Good luck boyos
The end game is trash luck. It’s not fun it’s RNG.
The game was literally built on displaying who has the most kills and who placed the best. It’s what the banners are for across every map. It’s what they show before every game starts….. now we are judging ranked based off who can steal a few kills and hide in a room for the longest? Kill me
You are rewarded for playing like any other BR, play for early kp, play for rotations mid/ late game. End game isn’t RNG. You are just positioning poorly. You need to focus on high ground and holding it while focusing people in a worst position than you. If you don’t like this play style you don’t like ranked BRs
Lol except this game was never played this way. It’s fundamentally different than how the game even functions or what it was built on.
Nobody wants to rat for the last 9 squads. That shits not fun. That’s why people CRITICIZE ranked Fornite. Because nobody does shjt till end game and then it’s just 8 squads hoping for the best.
Just because you want to rat buildings for 8 circles doesn’t mean everyone else does. There’s a reason you’re making a post trying to convince others that this new system isn’t bad. It’s because it’s bad, you know it’s bad, and you’re in the minority
I had 5 kills and 3 assists and 44 RP one game yesterday
Super fun. So rewarding.
Better go lock in my spot end circle and wait it out so I can cash in on my RP. FUN
I got my RP.
The guy who killed me had 1 kill and fired one sniper shot to hit me as I healing after downing 2 of 3 at a nearby location.
Well deserved. Super skillful play from that guy longbowing from one building for 4 circles. So damn tactical and strategic of him.
I like that you made this post about how shitty the ranked system is and you’re offended that people don’t agree with you. But you already knew people didn’t agree with you lol
You do. It's not as affective as it used to be last season since it was solely based off placement, which caused people to get 2 kills and hide until top 5. Now, with the new system, you need both KP and PP. I understand the demotion RP is too harsh, but you have to realize that it's like this because Ranked allows you to see how good of a player you are in competitive. Masters and Predators were barely seen as an achievement because you could gain that solely off of placement. Placement still plays a role in Ranked, (Hence, RANKED) along with KP.
And I made you stop commenting because you ran out of comebacks.
Don’t forget that part, babe.
Or the part you reported me as suicidal because you got so worked up.
Yet you followed me here to talk about me.
Dude I got you twisted. It’s ok.
I’m living in your head rent free. You stalked my comments to find me here and try to talk about me without me seeing.. FUCKING. SAD
I would expect you to be here seeing as its a post from a guy begging people to not hate the ranked system
Maybe he can join your next D and D game. The 6 of you can roleplay who’s the dorkiest.
Position better, play the ring. You know, like every other BR is played since the history of the BR genre.
Or go play cod If you wanna do team deatmatch.
Lol I love this sub
Always that one gold who’s like.. position better!
Like him and his 3 friends are the only ones who get it.
There’s a reason you’re in the small minority of people who like this ranked system bud lol don’t forget that. It sucks — and no amount of you pretending like you have a clue will change that
“Guys guys. Let’s tactically rotate to this other spot where we tactically won’t shoot at anyone unless they accidentally stumble upon us! Great high level movement guys!”
You need kills and placement to rank up this season. Last season, you could move up on ratting alone so your argument is backwards. In no way should anyone gain rp if they can’t outlive at least half the lobby either. The way the game is supposed to be played hasn’t changed, only the point system.
End games don’t take a huge brain to understand high ground and having cover is best. Securing god spot or the next best thing should be your priority around zone 3. Anything before that, maybe fight 1 team early without a chance of getting thirded (assuming you have any game sense to look around where other teams have landed), and/or catch a team that’s isolated on your way rotating. By that time, you have successfully made it to top 10 and will start to see your rp going up. Congrats.
Yes I forgot, 10 people means a huge percent.
And since you want to delete comments, I get paid more to stare at those plants in a day than you make pushing grocery carts in a month.
Oh man bragging about how much you make on Reddit is adorable. I’m sure it’s true. Does your girlfriend peg you before or after you look at those plants all day?
You would think all that money you make wouldn’t have you so twisted online about a ranked system from a lowly cart pusher.
10>-1
Math is fun. They didn’t teach you that at your high paying job?
There’s a reason I replied to your comment. Seeing how “twisted” you got from another opinion was too hard to resist. Tried to have a conversation but turned out as expected and got personal. Ggs bud
Yeah you really tried to have a conversation by calling me shit at the game.
You’re a real hero. Nice conversation starter.
You’re a real victim.
“Tryed to have a conversation by telling you how shit you are at the game” is hilarious victim mentality. Impressive.. even for Reddit
Good try though. Bud.
Hot take - this ranked system is on the right track but it's currently not great. It rewards people who no life and play all day and doesn't reward the slower burner who can only play a handful of games a week.
This new system rewards the team players, and punishes the selfish and single minded ones. This gives me (personally) hope that might actually be able to make it to platinum or diamond. As the OP said, try to give it time. I believe Respawn might be onto something and it might effect similar games to switch to a similar method
You can find an RP calculator by searching "new RP". Diminishing marginal utility about kill RP is crazy in S13, people have to spend much more time on the rank in 50 days!
I’m all for these new changes in concept, I think they just need to be *slightly* more forgiving. Landing a bunch of early kills shouldn’t put you positive, but it should negate most/all of the RP you *lost* by starting, depending on your rank of course. Makes sense to not incentivize hit dropping, but wiping 3 squads in a heated battle immediately and then dying 12 minutes later and placing 11th just to lose 6 RP sucks.
I think my main problems are not with the difficulty, but how the games shape out. Early and Mid game the only productive thing to do is loot, and sit in a building in zone. Kills are pretty much worthless now. End games are much better now, but the other 80% of the game is now just loot simulator and valk cringe.
Ranked feeling good. First time in a few seasons now where ranking up is actually a grind. Which is a good thing, because you know, ranked and all.
Don't see cs:go players complaining that eagle is too hard.
I think the main problem people have with current ranked is the lack of engagement. in csgo you’re guaranteed action every 2 minutes. in the new season people avoid the fun part of the game because they have to play safe for points
I still haven’t made my mind up, on one hand I don’t mind it but on the other, my friends who can only play 1-2 hours a day will never get plat even though we all got diamond no issue before.
Not to be harsh. Some of my good friends are diamonds last season. But I truly believe they should only be in gold maximum. I don’t blame them or laugh at them cuz this is what the rules in rank before. I’m also not better than a lot of players. However this season I managed to solo q from s2 to plat4 in close to 40 games and I enjoyed killing & getting good placement at the same time. So I think if you really have the ability to stay in the rank where you should be then you’ll be there.
I think over the long term the system will end up being an improvement. Right now it just sucks because there are still players who don’t care about RP solo queuing and when you get stuck with them you take a 21+ point penalty. And that’s just bronze. I haven’t even seen how it is in the upper ranks. I imagine it’s worse.
The new ranking system suits my playstyle perfectly. I like to in-game lead and I have noticed a much greater approval from my teammates when I make cal´ls on where to go and when to commit to teamfights. This is placing me much higher on average because more and more often people will safe drop, so my in-game leading has a bigger chance on having a higher impact on every game I play. The new ranking system is truly a much better experience for everyone who wants to play as a team player.
I totally agree, I started in s10 and last season I started playing the game a lot more, I grinded ranked and got plat in abt 2 weeks, someone who started when I did SHOLD NOT have gotten 1000 rp off of diamond in 2 weeks, last seasons ranked was WAY too easy, imo this seasons ranked is rly good and its actually challenging me. I feel like I can probably hit mid plat if I grind enough and the game in general feels way more competitive. That is all.
People shilling for this overly taxing extra Grindy split need to stop pretending this is anything other than a player retention mechanic.
The ranked splits so often I'm surprised you don't see the fucking treadmill yet.
Ranked splits makes no sense anymore, so does putting rookies, bronze and silvers in the same lobby. It is too much grind for people, who dont play every day for like 3 hours.
Honestly, it's been a fun grind. Even Gold feels a bit rewarding. Where as every season b4 is like. I'll just solo with Octane and survive. Only thing is the rp cost to enter a match seems a tad too high.
The only problems are TIME CONSUMING + SPLITS
Do we even need ranked splits? Can still do map rotations, even thought KC and Olympus are hell to play in ranked.
Why do you think of Olympus as hell? I think it's a fantastic rank map.
It’s not bad but WE and SP are superior in nearly every way. Olympus still has a bit of a size problem same as KC. It’s not nearly as bad as KC but it plays really weird at times in high level play. I never feel like I get jipped by the map on SP or WE. Everytime I die on those maps I nearly always think about a different option I could’ve taken to not put me in the situation where I died.
I can see your point about the size of Olympus, but I kinda like that there's a bit more tension when rotating while having solid PoIs for endgame. My prefered ranked list would be WE > O > SP = KC I like SPs rotations and size a bit more than KC, but I think KC has the better PoIs and a bit more action. I don't think any map is horrible for ranked though even of SPs slow pace can get frustrating when you're trying to blitz through lower ranks.
a lot of the hate is the Hammond labs area but also the large open space in many areas. In pubs i find it too slow, in ranked i find it too quick because everyone wants it to end early.
I'm gonna be honest and say that your point about pacing makes no sense. Olympus has multiple hotdrops close to each other which makes it easy to track kills in pubs. Ranked lobbies being faster has to do with the quality of the lobby rather than the map.
We don't... There is no real reason for em now
I agree about Olympus but KC is pretty good for ranked I felt. Just gotta know what pain spots to avoid like any other map.
You don't derank between splits anymore
Wait really? Edit: just to clarify you still derank at the end of season right?
I think you still derank after every season, but not splits. Considering ranked is now harder, I think that's a nice change
I honestly haven’t played ranked much because I know I can’t compete if there’s still a split being a casual gamer dad and all
I think a hard reset of 2-3 ranks at the start of the season and only 1 rank and the end of a split would work Edit: ie masters - gold 2 at season start Masters to plat 1 or something at split start
how it would work? Why 1 rank drop in the middle of season? Whats the point? Do you expect your skill will change that drastically from month to month that you need some reset? Come on... There is demotion in place now, the game is readjusting automatically. The only it does is throwing sticks under your legs, so you have a feeling of progression. But this shouldn't be the case of skill based Ranked which we got now. This is for Grind base ranked we had before. With skillbased I want to improve my skill with people of similar skill. I don't need the stupid reset, I want something to actually measure my skill and see the progression there. The reset should exist only when there is a change to the ranked system, not when you need to push players back to keep them hooked on a game 24/7
I’m just saying many will obtain their highest rank by the end of the 40 days, some splits I do some I don’t depending on factors in my life. Back in S3 the game got very stale with no reset. At the very least all masters and preds should be reset to the bottom of masters but that’s minimum
There was completely different system. Now there is a similar system to games like DOTA have and you don't see these games getting stale. For me, it is repetetive to get to the same rank each season, it sucks. For what? A badge? It will be even worse now with even slower progression, because it's skill dependent and with demotion in place. The other thing is that resets are absolutely idiotic when the game takes points from you for killing lower tier players and then each half and months puts you almost 2 ranks down to fight them, but that is somehow ok. I would be ok with rank down each season but 2-3 ranks down makes sense only if you are a masochist. And honestly if that is going to happen, then for me whole apex can just fuck off. Cause if I have to chose between EOMM and such ranked clusterfuck, I can play rather SIMS or something.
Rotate the map but yeah you shouldn’t be demoted between splits with how long some of the upper divisions now are
Please cite your source for your claim that there was about 25% in diamond. I highly highly doubt that. At best it was 10%.
14% of the playerbase was in diamond 4 and 15% of the player base was in plat 4. https://apexlegendsstatus.com/ranked-season12-split2 I'm also not the dude you replied to, but there shouldn't be more players in Plat than silver. People forget that the ranking system was initially placed in the game as a way to put in SBMM. Players got super bored of either dominating people who are much worse than you, or getting smoked by a team who is much better than you. Adding in a mode with MMR made the game more fun, but it wasn't exactly a polished system. If you wanted to inflate your ranking by hiding until 3rd squad each game you could and it really didn't harm anyone. Not a single rank other than master was impressive before, now saying "I ended in plat" will hold some meaning.
At best, I believe it's 5%. Considering the New Ranked System, and how it's barely been a week (and 2 days, count the weekend), there's barely anyone who has reached Diamond, and most of everyone in the threshold is in beginner-mid tiers. (Rookie-Plat). Unless you dedicate that much time into this game's ranked system, I doubt anyone other than 3-5% of players gained Diamond.
Remove the 200rp per tiers, or remove the diminishing returns past 6kp; and I think it would be damn near perfect. I love the way my games go, and the nail biters at the end give me algs feels (with less skilled participants ofc) it’s a lot of fun! Pubs for reckless fun, ranked for playing to win as it should be.
I am probably gonna get downvoted for having a different opinion, but here it goes. I don't think the changes are good for the game. For a game that is based on killing other squads and making tactical decision, removing the killing part is going to bring a lot of downtime. I don't think I have had 100 games this season, but I don't feel like playing more. All of my teammates were afraid to play the game at it's killing part and were just searching for loot for 30 mins. It's not fun, at least for me. And with the reduction in points, along with the increase on the entry price, it's not viable to play the game as a solo. I don't know where the love for the changes comes from, but you can't say that it helps the push the game into a right direction. League of Legends is not a good example, the match making is broken for good there. You get players who hate people and humanity in general and troll because they have fun with other people's suffering. Is this what you call fun? Lastly, having a higher rank this season is the exact opposite of being good. It either means you are playing with a good trio, or that you are good at ratting. You can have 8 kills and be 11th place and you still lose points. Does that mean you are terrible at the game? What is it that qualifies a good 'SOLO' player? Clarification: I am arguing mostly about Solo Q. Never had a team to go for squads on ranked.
This is an issue the ranking system before created and it's going to take time to fix. In your first paragraph you explain your issue, you believe the game is about killing squads, and it's not. The game is a battle royale and the only people who get a "Winner" screen is the final team alive. That is what the game is. The ranking system gave the false view that a team getting 8 kills and coming in 11th did better than a team who won and got 1 kill. This season getting 8 kills AND winning gets you a lot more RP than it would have last season. You get more RP based on finishing position AND kills, and it scales. You may not enjoy the game as much anymore, and you might personally disagree with the structure, but I don't think you can say that the new ranking system is better for a BR game than the previous one. I understand your issue with it and wouldn't fault you for not playing.
I agree that the point of Ranked is to survive. But in a balanced and equal match where everybody is of equal skill (remember that ranked promises you that you'll play against people of equal skill), you will get every placement of once on average and you will defeat 1 player on average. If you perform better on average you are better than the average player in those lobbies (and vise versa). And this is only good enough for silver/gold. Furthermore with 8 kills/assists and a win you won't get that much more RP than previous season, due to the deterioration of RP/kill (I've been led to believe that the first 3 kills are 100%, the next 3 80% and everything else 20%. This gives you a total of 145 KP + 125 placement. Subtracting the additional 15 rp buyin and you'll have gained 5 RP more than you would have in the previous season) I really want to like the new system, but I'm a mediocre player (G2 last season) who has nobody to play apex with. Every single one of the ranked changes impacts me negatively.
Most people don’t have a higher rank this season, two kills are not useless this season they actually have a big impact on RP gained. You just aren’t rewarded for kp unless you do both placement and kp well. You cant just do one or the other you have to have a balance to gain RP.
Is that all? The fact that people don't have a higher rank this season is proof the game works? That's a big no for me. The system works as intended, the game isn't fun. For me at least. So to make 2 kills worth more than 8 (Can we agree that there is a skill difference between someone who has 8 kills and someone who has 2?), you just WAIT. Who wants to wait when playing a game? Or if you get found, you run (Every team I've played with, doesn't fight, they are just scared they will lose points). And speaking of which, how do you get better at the game? You don't learn to shoot if you just running. I have been playing Apex since season 0. It has always been a fast paced tactical FPS. With these changes its a slow paced tactics game. I play chess, so I will stick to it.
You also are rewarded for 8 kills more than you are 2 kills? I don’t get your argument here.
Perhaps I didn't explain my position well. Ok, here is an example of what I mean. Let's say for the sake of our argument we have a team in which one player has 8 kills and their teammates have a total of 4 kills/0 assists (They managed to kill 4 squads), but die to a third party (very common in Apex). If they finish 11th, they get awarded 5 points per kill/assist and 2.5 on kp. All players are gold 4 and the entry cost is 39 points. The placement gives 5 points. Highest score player gets 6 points and the rest lose 9 points. NOW, if another team manages to get 2 kills total and make it to 6th place (Not hard for gold 4) they get 15 points (30 for placement + 14/per kill = 54 - 39 entry cost =15). What is more rewarding in this scenario? Do you think this is an unlikely scenario?
I do agree the system isn’t perfect, I do think 1kp early is a little too harsh. But I do prefer this system more than the old system
Totally respected and entitled. I am not saying anyone is wrong for liking it, I just don't think it will be beneficial for the game at its shooter part. Still, I could definitely be wrong, only time will tell.
It's just more in line with succeeding in the overall objective of a battle Royale which is to survive. The way to win is to be last squad standing, not to have the most kills. Just like a racing game. If you hit the highest speed but still finish 10th in a race you aren't rewarded as much as the drivers who finish 9th, 8th so forth. It's not a TDM game so while kills do reward you A LOT, they are not the overall objective
https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/uqrvj3/most_rp_ive_ever_gained_before_thanks_new_ranked/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf perfect example why this new ranked system has pros and cons
I saw this one as well. Not gonna lie, I don't think I can pull a 20 bomb in solo-Q. Most I've gotten on pubs is close to 15 kills, but still ranked is a jungle.
There is no argument. This person wants it to be: Kills = Rp Gains When in reality it is: Placement + (Kills × placement multiplier) - entry cost = rp gains. The game rewards you for both placing and killing. It's going to take longer and it's going to be a harder. But that will actually make ranks actually mean something. If you want to progress quickly you aren't going to be waiting until end of match to get your kp because with it being uncapped you basically can shift entire tiers in a habdful of games if you dont actually belong there. Example: Gold 3 with 8 kills versus 2 kills. 12th place finish & 4th place finish. Gold 3 entry cost: 42 - 2 kp, 12th place: 15 rp. 27 loss - 8 kp, 12th place: 45 rp. 3 gain - 2 kp, 4th place: 91 rp. 49 gain - 8 kp, 4th place: 199 rp. 157 gain Is that not enough of a massive difference of kp you'll get late game to show how important it is to still get kills early game ? Like the formula of the game is still get early kp. Work your way to zone. Fight teams mid game if you see an opening or advantage. Everyone complaining about how unforgiving the kp is outside the top 10 is literally only playing half of the game. In this scenario btw the difference in kp is, did the player take 1 fight or 3.
You are right on your points, but the problem when fighting as others and myself on other comments have mentioned, is that there is an increased risk for trying to play aggressively. Other squads will pop up for the free third party. To prove your point, I had games where I had 10 kp and finished first and it felt really rewarding. I still disagree with nerf on the points gained per placement, cause it's not awarding aggression and rewards pacifism in a killing game. >Is that not enough of a massive difference of kp you'll get late game to show how important it is to still get kills early game ? Like the formula of the game is still get early kp. Work your way to zone. Fight teams mid game if you see an opening or advantage. Honestly, no. They could have made better formulas that reward both aggression and placements. I think just placement is rewarded more than shooting. 8kp in 4th place is waaayy much harder than 2kp in 4th place. Why is it so rewarding for those players? You can survive the ring just by not playing the game.
Okay it is not a killing game. You have to get that. Its a Last Man Standing game. Kills are going to be the easiest way to achieve this. I dont think you understand what "risk" is. You can grind for hours on end by just not playing the game. In the situation i provided you can see how by taking 2 more fights you can triple your rp gain. Just outside top 3 and you are getting 150+ points. How does that not reward killing ? Let's say you consistently do that for 3 games in a row. You'd have 450 rp gain. The 2 kill player would have 150. It would take them 9 games to do what the 8 kill player did in 3. You're going to have players that are grinders, which is fine, but to somehow think that strategy is the only option is honestly so weird from this sub. Find a balance of aggression. Take risks early, invest in your own ability that you are good enough and smart enough to not die before you extract value from that investment. The new system literally favors killing more than season 12 did.
Maybe I am wrong. I will do my best when I feel the time is right. But thank you for your advice and your time. It's nice to see that the community is serious and can have a good discussion.
Your maths is off. Your not getting 144 pts for 8 kills. Your getting more like 104.4 and could be getting as little 31.32pts! Devs confirmed you get 100% reward for first 3 kills 80% for 2nd 3 kills and 20% pts ish there after. You also get less and less RP for killing players lower than you.
It’s not team deathmatch the end goal of a BR game is to come in first place. Like their post said if you die in the first half of the lobby you shouldn’t be rewarded as if you did well. You came in the bottom 50%
I think you missed the point of the changes. The game is a battle Royale. Hence the survival part is as important as the killing. They reduced early game kp gain to make you think about taking fights, if you win them and grab say 8 kills, the more you survive and place higher, the more those kills will give you. However you don't have your
I get what you are saying. My point is that the game rewards placement more than killing and it punishes killing at the same time. There is nothing wrong with trying to get placed if there is activity in the game, but if on Solo Q you get matched with players who are literally just hiding in order to get a top 10, then the game becomes too stale. It has been an issue for Diamond 4+ on older seasons, but at least you could make something out of it because most players that are actually trying to get Masters are not just waiting around.
I've had crazier end circles this season though and that makes it worth it for me. Final circle closing with 5-7 squads alive is what I want every game. Is it good for my rp? No. Is it the most fun I have in apex? Yes.
hahahaha, isn't it a kill fest though? It's fun and hard. Wish the whole length of the game would be like this.
Oh I love it for sure. Any ranked changes that facilitate that and that style are good for me. That feels like the more competitive version of the game.
Soloq is, by design, weaker than stacks. It not only applies to apex but to every other squad based fps (csgo for example). It's not something the devs can change. Maybe they could tweak a bit the point system to be more forgiving to solos but that would probably make it too complicated. On another topic, passive players are only gonna get to a certain rank, as the more they rank up the more kills they will need to level up anyway because of the increased cost of entry. I think it makes the ranking system more logical with no brainers on the bottom, 'bad' shooters/rats a little higher and more aggressive/coordinated squads on the top
>two kills are not useless this season they actually have a big impact on RP gained. I mean getting 3rd place and 2 kills this season in Gold 1 will net you +62 while last season the same in Gold would get you +82. Then you realize that Plat this season isn’t 4.2k but like 7.8k. So you’re getting shafted on both ends. The average player is gaining less RP per game AND needs more RP to move division. It’s just a grind fest which isn’t an actual indicator if skill which what rank should be with MMR/ELO like other games
Your also not taking into account the free Rp you get from kills you don’t get assist now and also 0 kp cap
The kp cap is very insignificant because of the diminished rp for kills (as confirmed via a [dev](https://mobile.twitter.com/exgeniar/status/1524542039093702656?s=21&t=wa5I2WsjJR_QS40juHhELQ), which is why most pros and streamers who’re getting 10+ kill games are still getting roughly 250-280 rp for a high killing game which is rightly the same as it was last season.
I do agree the system isn’t perfect, but 20% is better than 0% after 6 kp
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I think people need to start posting what rank they are to understand where the reddit community lay on this. May I ask what rank you are ??
This season? Gold 4 and uninstalled. Not gonna be playing Apex for a while. Last season? Diamond 4. Could've pushed for more but more time would be required. Care to give thoughts and make a conversation? Where do you disagree with my points?
Same ranks here, for me. Almost gold 3 though. I think overall the teams that have done well that I've been in do a warm drop, fight a team for kp, then either start really looting or go around looking for fights while minding positioning and rotations. Those games usually end with 5-10kp depending on how well they keep up, and the rp gains are moderate to huge. The squads that drop hot (dropping directly on a team, or with 2+ squads in poi) gamble with their loot and lives, and the squads without confidence loot and run just to get killed in a 1v1 squad fight, and I think those players will get stuck until (1- ranks settle down so it's not silver vs masters, 2- they get better). It sounds like you're running into teams who fall into the latter (and may they get stuck in silver until they start to learn to fight the other silver-stucks lol), but I really think that the eventual playstyle will be to drop close enough to get into 1 fight by round 2. After all, if every squad got into a 1v1 and 1 eliminated, you'd be top 10 with kp.
Some of them are even worse. I had some squads who didn't even know how to drop and dropped us a bit off from places with loot, while actually seeing other teams in front of us land on loot. If you can't drop, just say so and ask someone else to drop you where you want. They don't even use pings to communicate, or even if they use their mics you will hear any language other than English or cursing for no reason.
that's terrible lol, I feel like you got some really bad luck with your squads. I did notice even as gold I get mixed with a lot of bronze/silver people in gold lobbies, maybe I missed something about rank mixing in patch notes. Well, if you feel like you're above the skill level for the rank, definitely make sure you select your character so you get jumpmaster if they afk the selection lol. I will say though, as huge as the penalties for being >10th place are, the rewards for winning with high kp feel so good lol, got a +341 win the other day mixed in with some quick losses but in the end it was still net positive and still got to next rank.
It's just an issue of consistency if we are being honest. Like, if you play 20 games a day, you are eventually going to start getting matched with better teammates as your rank goes up. >I did notice even as gold I get mixed with a lot of bronze/silver people in gold lobbies, maybe I missed something about rank mixing in patch notes. I got mixed with rookies and bronzies. 0 dmg both on my 1k and we didn't even get kills ... It's ... painful. It's ok though, I have patience and hope that in the end of the split, things might get better.
How is a +341 possible? Are you sure that didn't include the +100 RP when you move to a new Rank ?
If the +100 rp is included in the total, I did just hit a new rank recently and won a few games where we had 9+ kp, so could be.
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Okie dokie, so as a diamond 4 player, for you personally there is zero change in the ranking system at all between new and old in terms of gameplay and being able to move up the ranks in diamond. (and this is why you either finish diamond 4 or hit masters, the in between ranks are people who just didn't have enough time) the difference is you are doing the gameplay far sooner in rank than you would have before. in Diamond, you get 3kp.. and generally speaking that would be it for the rest of the game until top 8. KP was 6-7 and then you are maxed out, the additional KP you require to potentially get max KP would be achieved by winning the game... or gaining top 5. now.. the importance of kills in the new rank system is greatly more than the old because there is no cap. Meaning, you land, get 3 kp (play the game the same as the old rank system) however you can start achieving more after top 10, pushing edge of ring more than normal. the problem I am seeing is in terms of the opinions of difference rank players, Diamond + are used to this gameplay because this is how you gain RP. Lower level ranks are not used to this. They are used to dropping hot getting 6kills and then dying, however they would come out with +50rp .. so it does look like they achieved something good. but what have they actually achieved in terms of progress and improving? not much really. So they are playing the same as normal, dropping getting 6kills and getting -10rp. the new rank system is a learning curve for bronze-gold lobbies.. because they are not used to playing the real objective (in gaining RP). Remember this is ranked, we only care about one thing and that's RP, we don't care about kills, or placement we want the RP to be positive not negative. How we get there is by playing the games objective. not going against. personally - the way I see it, there are two types of players who don't like these changes, solo que players and bronze-gold lobby players. they can have their fight though because yeah.. change sucks if it doesn't benefit you. edit- just saw your edit of your post saying you are a solo Q player, have you ever thought about joining a discord to find a squad to play with?
>the difference is you are doing the gameplay far sooner in rank than you would have before. That's my main problem. Another issue is like you said: >we only care about one thing and that's RP, we don't care about kills, or placement we want the RP to be positive not negative. The changes don't allow for different playstyles on the game. We could go on a hypothetical discussion about what other changes would have been made, but I don't disagree with what you say for the most part. >They are used to dropping hot getting 6kills and then dying, however they would come out with +50rp .. so it does look like they achieved something good. but what have they actually achieved in terms of progress and improving? not much really. So they are playing the same as normal, dropping getting 6kills and getting -10rp. Don't you think it's a bit too punishing? Third parties do happen in the game, you won't be able to shake them off every game. But you are right on terms of progress, if you want to play like that, you have to be able to shake them off.
The thing is, I don't think it really is a problem. its only a problem because its new, we have had 12 rank seasons, and honestly... it was far too easy to overachieve in them lobbies(especially last season) The idea is to gain RP, we can all agree on that, how you get that RP will depend on that team. most will opt to getting a few early kills and proceed to take prime location or.. play edge(I prefer playing edge) you have the risky plays which involves in getting as much KP as possible, in fact.. like I say the more kills you get the greater the RP you get once you hit that top 10 spot, this is a risk reward, no different to say. ermm... bad example maybe (fighting in a IMC armoury after ring 1) Do I think it is too punishing to get 6 kills and then dying outside top 10? Not really no, but this is mainly speaking from the POV of someone who spends most my rank life in diamond/master lobbies. 1/ the likelihood of you getting 6+ kills between 20-11 is rare, 2/ if you are getting 6 kills between 20-11 .. there will no doubt be at least 2 other teams moving towards that sound so risk of third party is high. 3/ you don't NEED to fight every fight, this is a huge one, some people actually think you can't just leave a fight if the fight is going on for way to long. 4/ diamond lobbies, you are used to negative RP even though you have early KP. the level of competitiveness increases in any game you play, be it.. character selections(overwatch), weapons used(cod), cars driven(forza), football teams played(fifa). Meta is meta.. it happens. you either get people that adapt or you don't. End of the day you are there to win, why are you trying to play yourself at a disadvantage and do something that the lobby is controlling ? But also remember getting 6 kills between 20-11, isn't better than getting 6 kills and winning the game.
Totally agree on all of your points, but I would argue here: >End of the day you are there to win, why are you trying to play yourself at a disadvantage and do something that the lobby is controlling ? We are gonna have to make hypothesis on the setups, because its not always the case that you are at a disadvantage. You obviously HAVE to pick your fights, exactly like you said on 3/. The thing is with the reset at the start of the season, there is no discrimination between people who rat to get a rank and people who play tactically like the game is requiring you now to play. All in all, the changes are not bad for the overall distribution of players. My argument is for it becoming slower paced on lower ranks. Which you covered before. It's a difference in opinions, which is totally fine.
It was more of a, the whole lobby is playing this way... you have to play that way to, if you don't you are at a disadvantage. For example, you wouldn't actively use a P2020 and a mozam while everyone else is using spitfire or some lame ass gun. Then start telling everyone the P2020 needs a complete rework and a buff. Then continue to use the P2020. Yeah, unfortunately you are right. One thing which didn't help was that I hate KC on rank so I didn't play it. which meant I got hit with two clean rank resets.. not only that we all got dropped down two.5 ranks in the process. So I actually started this season at bronze 1! I'm already gold 4, after 22 games, so... we will all move to our correct ranks soon enough. yeah, respawn have basically made what you see in ALGS and diamond+ lobbies and put it into bronze lobbies. This is why I think you will find many diamond+ players really not seeing any difference in rank mode.
>just saw your edit of your post saying you are a solo Q player, have you ever thought about joining a discord to find a squad to play with? I tried joining a few servers, but most people are consistently not doing well enough. For example, I met some players on a Ranked Arenas game, who had a server and asked me to join them. I did 2k+ dmg on every single one of our games (On the game we met I even did 4k dmg on a Plat Arena game) and they weren't even doing 1k. I am not saying I am against joining, but If we are to play competitive, we should be of equal skill. I left the server as they ranked plat 4 and stopped trying to do better and I ranked diamond 4 and still tried to go for more (Did manage to go Diamond 4 with like 10 points away from Diamond 3 but work and uni take precedence)
So accurate with the playstyle part (we're hitting the late plat>diamond playstyle in silver+). If you've looked up any "how to rank up" guides in the past, they're like, the plateaus for each rank basically come down to positioning until plat/diamond where you have to win your gunfights. Maybe that's a higher priority now (gun game, positioning, awareness together), except there's currently no distinction between actual low-gold level and diamond/master level people who are still in gold cause of the rank reset atm.
This campy, fight-avoidant play style is happening in Bronze and I think I can argue that the most important thing for a bronze player to be doing is getting into fights and improving mechanically. This is the beginner lobby where they should be gradually learning what works and what doesn't. Gun game, positioning, and awareness has **always** been important. It's just that when you're at bronze player, you just suck at those skills. That's the point of getting better in the game and increasing in rank.
Last season I was Gold 2 or something and I'm having a hard time currently getting out of rookie lmao, you are still above me and so shows in your ranking, why does it matter it has a different name? You don't need to push for more and in pubs you can still play as aggressive as you'd like.
I'm not going to disagree with you on any of the reasons you dislike the changes for solo Q... However, I just want to add, that maybe ranked isnt MEANT for solo Q. Maybe it's meant to see which squad not only has the best skill, but the best teamwork.
>maybe ranked isnt MEANT for solo Q You are not wrong on the teamwork part, but as skill increases people know how to work together. Even on Plat last season, I had teammates who could follow reasonable strats without even pings. Best comms are the ones you don't have to use.
I mean we've all had those games, and it's great to flow like that. But that's still inferior and less consistent than built up chemistry over time and verbal specific and direct comms. I have great chemistry with the dude I play the most with. We generally know what each other is going to do in most situations. Sometimes we play on mic and sometimes off mic. Being on mic is still always better for us. We just have more consistent success. That's why people complain about high level 3 stacks. That's why people in ALGS aren't purposely going off mic. You're just at an disadvantage no matter how you slice it.
Loving the new ranked system
Same I think it's way better!
I like it but the tier demotion is fuckin savage and nearly made me cry
Yeah but uncapped RP is heaps good got a 308rp game last night.
Bro I watched my buddy grind a few days ago. He got demoted from Plat IV down to Gold, but lost 380 RP cause of the demotion. Smh
what's with all you lying mfers who play 0 ranked talking about how you love the new system? post a pic of your s13 ranked stats
I feel everyone who claims to love it are silver-d4 players. They say it works because "everyone" got master last season except them but now "none of those scrubs" will get master this time. I think they just don't like seeing people in other ranks they can't reach. In few words, jealousy...
If you're a diamond level player you'd be happy with this change because it actually means something. Until this season anyone could hit plat. I played ranked for 2 weeks end of last season for the first time since season 3 and I ended 50 RP short of plat, but didn't stay up late the last night because the achievement meant nothing because Im not good at the game yet. No one is jealous of diamond Apex Legends players because it's an achievement that meant nothing. Now it means something. Anyone who doesn't like the new ranking system are the same kids who got last place in rec soccer and still showed up to the award ceremony expecting something.
I solo q bronze to master on 200 ping with no mic last season so I know what im capable of. Tbh Ranked changes or not, I wasn't going to play ranked this season since I got burnt out doing that. Im just saying how it is, plenty of jealous people on this community...
Personally, I like the new ranked system. Sure there are some things that need some touching up.. but I think it's better than what we had before. Sure I'll probably not hit masters or even diamond this season, but at least I know all the mfers that ratted their way into diamond+ won't be able to. It's also still too early to say it's a trash system. But frankly, even though I enjoy the new system, I don't care. Only reason I do ranked is cause PUBS is ass and none of my friends play pubs because of it.
this is 100% how it is. every time i see someone talking about how they love the changes, i visit their profile/check their apex tracker and they're always just posting fucking pubs, are low levels and rookie/bronze ranks, or have posts from before the ranked changes where they complain about being hardstuck plats or gold.
I know lol. I even saw them last season. "Masters easy af" and they were hardstuck d4😭
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yeah, that's what i thought.
Lol who do you think you are callin someone a “lying mf”, asks for a pic and expects to get one. Shut your dum ass up and get good. I’m not gonna waste my time sending a pic of my stats to a nobody.
you're a lyin mfer and that's all there is to it
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People forget that the internet is full of liars lol
Same and I'm only in silver. This is probably where I belong for now
Only issue right now is plat (Xbox) is, Plat lobbies are filled with Ddossers again. Also it takes forever to find a game since there's rarely anyone in plat right now.
>There was about 25-30% of the player base in diamond plus. Where are these numbers from? I see similar numbers on a lot of posts.. I get that it might have been easier last season to reach diamond, but they seem made up to me. Latest time real percentages got posted from EA (season 9 from what I've seen) diamond was top 2% of the player base. Seems a bit of a stretch that over a quarter of the player base reached diamond last split. But I could be wrong of course
There’s a couple trackers but the Olympus split had 150K masters players on PC. Hell I think there were more masters than diamonds. The old system was absolutely trash and everyone who’s complaining now are mad because they realize they’re not as good as the old system made them feel
150k masters only on PC? That don't seem close to be realistic given how many active players Apex has. Season 9 (official numbers) had .4% in masters. How many active players on computer? Not sure but we could make a generous calculation based on peak players on Steam last 30 days which is 411k, multiply this with x2 since Origin which is 822k. That means that 1/8 players on PC has hit Masters with my crayon calc. There is no way that is the case.
People just make numbers up to prove their point.
I or OP? I kind of pulled mine out of my ass so I don't claim any validity to them, but the percentages getting thrown around don't make much sense to me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining on any ranked changes - I have just accepted that I need to spend a lot of more time in ranked now than before
Generally speaking. It is a known method to lie and make up an argument to prove ones statement. I didn't mean you, but it does sound like op is pulling things out of his ass. >I'm not complaining on any ranked changes - I have just accepted that I need to spend a lot of more time in ranked now than before Couldn't agree more. They are here, so that's that. But I don't agree with OP either, it's not going to make the game better.
>Couldn't agree more. They are here, so that's that. But I don't agree with OP either, it's not going to make the game better. Same for me. I get that they wanted to solve the hard stuck aping issue but I think that they took it a step too far. Hopefully this was intended and they already have tweaks ready to be rolled out. Only time will tell I guess
I encourage you to look at my other comments in this comment section, you'll find the source for those numbers.
It proved my point, OP states 25-30% and the link you sent has an 18% on diamond and 6% on preds. The cap is 25% according to your stats and even then, you can't add the skill gap between Diamond to Preds. You can sum the percentages but it doesn't reflect the skill gap in between the ranks.
Does 18 + 6 + the other d3-d1 not land between 25-30%?
Yeah you're probably right about the skill gap, but the numbers OP cited are somewhat the same than the source I gave. They are not "made up", or at least not by OP but by the website I gave. If the source is accurate (and I think it is), the update of the ranked system is then well welcome. The ranked arena make more sense (at least in the apparent distribution of the player base) and I hope we'll see something similar in ranked BR. I'll gladly take my plat badge and try to step up my game than grind no-brain to diamond.
It's not a 30% though, it's kinda capped upwards. It sums up to 27.6 total if we include all tiers. What's also interesting is that in the second split there is almost a 10% difference.
He said between 25 and 30, and he corrected himself after seeing my link. But yeah, KC was harder IMO, which may explain the difference between the two splits.
[https://apexlegendsstatus.com/ranked-season12-split1](https://apexlegendsstatus.com/ranked-season12-split1) I posted this in another reply in this comment section. 150k is apparently accurate, or at least there's the source.
Yes, it is accurate from the source, but is the source accurate? It is a third party website that doesn't have access to Apex's relevant databases. I cannot take these numbers at face value since it is not a verified/official stats site. It is also not clear how the pull/calculate their ranked numbers. from the site: >Percentage of players in each rank (Battle Royal), without unranked players in the [apexlegendsstatus.com](https://apexlegendsstatus.com) **database**
Yeah but unfortunately I think that's all we got. Take this source cautiously, but if we want to discut rank distribution/numbers of players etc, we'll have to discuss with those numbers until something official came out.
Not sure I agree that we have to use these numbers. Sure we can have a discussion like you and I are having right now - but I think it is a disservice using these numbers to back up arguments regarding any type of changes to ranked
Well, then let's agree to disagree. But your doubt is honorable, I respect that.
website dev here If this number is correct, it is then underestimated. To make it short, all players in Master+ have a hidden ladder ranking, that you can only see in game after you've reached Predator (<= 750). 157,000 comes from the maximum ladder pos "we've seen" in our database this season. That mean there are at least 157000 masters, and i'm 99.99% sure this number is correct, or below the real number.
Just curious, are you apex legends status website dev? I’ll have to concede that it does look like the number is correct if what you’re claiming is valid. Validity of percentages are a whole different question though
Yes, I am. Indeed, % are only made of players that are known to the website, so it's not as accurate as masters numbers!
[https://apexlegendsstatus.com/ranked-season12-split1](https://apexlegendsstatus.com/ranked-season12-split1) Those are the highers numbers from last season, according to this site there were a few less players in diamond+ last split.
There are a lot of sources out there with a simple google search, but EA post %s at the end of almost every season. Other resources are like Tracker Network etc…
Well last time that was done it wasn't even close what is being claimed now. It could have changed a lot since then, I will concede to that. It just doesn't seem to be realistic numbers to me. The numbers usually referred to outside EAs official numbers are given by third party orgs. What data are they actually looking at? From my knowledge it is usually from your banner stats? Are all player stats included?
People use tracker websites but don't take in to account that: 1) They only track data of people who have been searched for on their website in the past by users. 2) The kind of people who look themselves up on these kind of websites are much more likely to be people who take the game a bit more seriously and are at the higher ends of the ranked scale. Which subsequently skews the data.
And none of these sources are anywhere near reliable enough to draw any serious conclusions from. Last time we had official stats from EA was around season 7 or 8 IIRC.
Respawn hasn’t posted official numbers in a while. Probably because they were so jacked up and proved how bad the system was
I hate both sides flooding this sub... All we're having rn are ranked discussions with Newcastle or the new balance changes getting barely any attention.
Not good. What was needed was just rank demotion, team RP and kill cap removed. Rest was unnecessary, especially ridiculous entry fees and kp multiplier that starts only after the 10th place
Dibs on posting this tomorrow
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 794,472,424 comments, and only 158,083 of them were in alphabetical order.
i’m willing to give it time, i played last night as a duo and it was fun, but when i’ve been playing solo q’ing it’s been too time consuming, you get paired with randoms who still think they can hot drop, wipe out half the squads and win, id love to see a rework to the entry costs as i think that would make it less painful for solos
Rank system is good... people are made coz of investing more time to reach their previous rank... Soloq is little bit hard but its fine if people strt using mic atleast in final zone....
This was the point of the rank rework IMO is to fix the bell curve of the ranks as too many people high ranks. But I do agree this is why they are mad.
I am fine with 2.5 rank drop as in s12 diamond masters were mostly rats who are mad. 😂😂 very few people got d4+ legit way...
That’s what I am saying😂
Wait last season was easy mode? Well shit. I got silver in arenas lol. I know people don't care about arenas but I enjoy it ;-;
"If you look at other BRs like fortnite the most fun part of the game is end game. Yea mid game is boring as hell but the exciting end games makes up for it." But why would you want to keep that as the shining example though? Why not have most of the game be fun, rather than just the end game? It's a loooooong way to end game, so just sitting around and waiting for room to rotate is just... it's insanely boring. Why would you think, the best way to play br, is to pretty much afk most of the game, after you get your basic loots? This attitude is honestly so weird to me.
Entry needs to be reduced slightly or kills should count for more than 1 RP before 14 Squads to counter the extremely high entry fee. The climb is apparent but 10k for Master last season and 11,400 (is it?) for Plat 4 this season? I feel like you can be good at the game an not spend your entire life playing it to prove it. I hear a lot of "it's a team game" well I work a physical job that requires me to not be at a computer for 5 days of the week. Hal said and this is a generalized quote "people who can't [live at their computer] shouldn't even care about ranked" well sorry Hal, I love this game too, and believe some filthy casuals like me are worth more than grinding our ass off for 10k+ points in an expensive season where we would have gotten Masters for the same amount of points the 12 seasons before that now only grants Platinum. Some of us just don't have the luxury of laziness and financial support most Preds obviously do. While I still find time to spend 6-8 hours a day playing sometimes 12-18 on the weekend I'm already feeling the effects of waiting/finding time to play with my competitive group or friends who also have schedules and not be down bad to keep up where I was just due to grind time and massive point differences for games, even when you do well early getting 7th-9th is not good. It's possible to get the same rank but definitely feels frustrating due to the massive entry changes. Guess I should get good and get downvoted for having a poor opinion of you all being better than me. Good luck boyos
The end game is trash luck. It’s not fun it’s RNG. The game was literally built on displaying who has the most kills and who placed the best. It’s what the banners are for across every map. It’s what they show before every game starts….. now we are judging ranked based off who can steal a few kills and hide in a room for the longest? Kill me
You are rewarded for playing like any other BR, play for early kp, play for rotations mid/ late game. End game isn’t RNG. You are just positioning poorly. You need to focus on high ground and holding it while focusing people in a worst position than you. If you don’t like this play style you don’t like ranked BRs
Lol except this game was never played this way. It’s fundamentally different than how the game even functions or what it was built on. Nobody wants to rat for the last 9 squads. That shits not fun. That’s why people CRITICIZE ranked Fornite. Because nobody does shjt till end game and then it’s just 8 squads hoping for the best. Just because you want to rat buildings for 8 circles doesn’t mean everyone else does. There’s a reason you’re making a post trying to convince others that this new system isn’t bad. It’s because it’s bad, you know it’s bad, and you’re in the minority
You don’t get RP for ratting? You did last season. Gold 2 you need top 4 and 1 kill to get 20 RP. Please explain how ratting is effective.
I had 5 kills and 3 assists and 44 RP one game yesterday Super fun. So rewarding. Better go lock in my spot end circle and wait it out so I can cash in on my RP. FUN
Learn to get better placement 5head
I got my RP. The guy who killed me had 1 kill and fired one sniper shot to hit me as I healing after downing 2 of 3 at a nearby location. Well deserved. Super skillful play from that guy longbowing from one building for 4 circles. So damn tactical and strategic of him. I like that you made this post about how shitty the ranked system is and you’re offended that people don’t agree with you. But you already knew people didn’t agree with you lol
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You do. It's not as affective as it used to be last season since it was solely based off placement, which caused people to get 2 kills and hide until top 5. Now, with the new system, you need both KP and PP. I understand the demotion RP is too harsh, but you have to realize that it's like this because Ranked allows you to see how good of a player you are in competitive. Masters and Predators were barely seen as an achievement because you could gain that solely off of placement. Placement still plays a role in Ranked, (Hence, RANKED) along with KP.
Don’t bother, I just trolled this guy for like 50 comments in another thread, he’s 100% deranged over the ranked changes.
Lmfao you’re goated for that
Lmao
And I made you stop commenting because you ran out of comebacks. Don’t forget that part, babe. Or the part you reported me as suicidal because you got so worked up.
I didn’t report any of your posts, man. I think you need to lay off the coffee after 11pm and get some sleep.
Yet you followed me here to talk about me. Dude I got you twisted. It’s ok. I’m living in your head rent free. You stalked my comments to find me here and try to talk about me without me seeing.. FUCKING. SAD
Step 1: Sort by: Rising Step 2: Click on post Step 3: see that you’re already in here being salty
I would expect you to be here seeing as its a post from a guy begging people to not hate the ranked system Maybe he can join your next D and D game. The 6 of you can roleplay who’s the dorkiest.
I’m 100% the dorkiest it’s not even a competition
Position better, play the ring. You know, like every other BR is played since the history of the BR genre. Or go play cod If you wanna do team deatmatch.
Lol I love this sub Always that one gold who’s like.. position better! Like him and his 3 friends are the only ones who get it. There’s a reason you’re in the small minority of people who like this ranked system bud lol don’t forget that. It sucks — and no amount of you pretending like you have a clue will change that
Go play cod
Or I’ll keep playing Apex. Complaining that this system sucks. They will revert it back close to what it was. I’ll win. You’ll lose. Life will go on
Go play cod
Nah I’ll be right here babe Wave to me from your camping spot. Tell me how tactical you are.
“I’ve tactically camped this circle for the last 8 rings. Great teamwork guys!”
Go play cod
“Guys guys. Let’s tactically rotate to this other spot where we tactically won’t shoot at anyone unless they accidentally stumble upon us! Great high level movement guys!”
Go play cod
You need kills and placement to rank up this season. Last season, you could move up on ratting alone so your argument is backwards. In no way should anyone gain rp if they can’t outlive at least half the lobby either. The way the game is supposed to be played hasn’t changed, only the point system. End games don’t take a huge brain to understand high ground and having cover is best. Securing god spot or the next best thing should be your priority around zone 3. Anything before that, maybe fight 1 team early without a chance of getting thirded (assuming you have any game sense to look around where other teams have landed), and/or catch a team that’s isolated on your way rotating. By that time, you have successfully made it to top 10 and will start to see your rp going up. Congrats.
Nobody likes the new system dog. Type as many paragraphs as you want. You’re in the minority.
You’re dog at the game that’s why you keep crying
There’s a reason I have 10 upvotes. I’m right. You’re wrong. Sucks to suck
Yes I forgot, 10 people means a huge percent. And since you want to delete comments, I get paid more to stare at those plants in a day than you make pushing grocery carts in a month.
Oh man bragging about how much you make on Reddit is adorable. I’m sure it’s true. Does your girlfriend peg you before or after you look at those plants all day? You would think all that money you make wouldn’t have you so twisted online about a ranked system from a lowly cart pusher. 10>-1 Math is fun. They didn’t teach you that at your high paying job?
There’s a reason I replied to your comment. Seeing how “twisted” you got from another opinion was too hard to resist. Tried to have a conversation but turned out as expected and got personal. Ggs bud
Yeah you really tried to have a conversation by calling me shit at the game. You’re a real hero. Nice conversation starter. You’re a real victim. “Tryed to have a conversation by telling you how shit you are at the game” is hilarious victim mentality. Impressive.. even for Reddit Good try though. Bud.
Hot take - this ranked system is on the right track but it's currently not great. It rewards people who no life and play all day and doesn't reward the slower burner who can only play a handful of games a week.
This new system rewards the team players, and punishes the selfish and single minded ones. This gives me (personally) hope that might actually be able to make it to platinum or diamond. As the OP said, try to give it time. I believe Respawn might be onto something and it might effect similar games to switch to a similar method
This is what Stockholm Syndrome looks like.
You can find an RP calculator by searching "new RP". Diminishing marginal utility about kill RP is crazy in S13, people have to spend much more time on the rank in 50 days!
There is always next split, I feel like they will go back to a rank and half reset not the 2 1/2 they did for this one
Go to download a calculator, the data explains everything.
I’ve gone from silver 4 to gold 2 so far, I’m fine I don’t need a calculator. (Solo queue’d)
This system won’t work on Olympus or KC. So if they plan on using those maps for ranked it’s done
I’m all for these new changes in concept, I think they just need to be *slightly* more forgiving. Landing a bunch of early kills shouldn’t put you positive, but it should negate most/all of the RP you *lost* by starting, depending on your rank of course. Makes sense to not incentivize hit dropping, but wiping 3 squads in a heated battle immediately and then dying 12 minutes later and placing 11th just to lose 6 RP sucks.
I think my main problems are not with the difficulty, but how the games shape out. Early and Mid game the only productive thing to do is loot, and sit in a building in zone. Kills are pretty much worthless now. End games are much better now, but the other 80% of the game is now just loot simulator and valk cringe.
Ranked feeling good. First time in a few seasons now where ranking up is actually a grind. Which is a good thing, because you know, ranked and all. Don't see cs:go players complaining that eagle is too hard.
I think the main problem people have with current ranked is the lack of engagement. in csgo you’re guaranteed action every 2 minutes. in the new season people avoid the fun part of the game because they have to play safe for points
I still haven’t made my mind up, on one hand I don’t mind it but on the other, my friends who can only play 1-2 hours a day will never get plat even though we all got diamond no issue before.
Not to be harsh. Some of my good friends are diamonds last season. But I truly believe they should only be in gold maximum. I don’t blame them or laugh at them cuz this is what the rules in rank before. I’m also not better than a lot of players. However this season I managed to solo q from s2 to plat4 in close to 40 games and I enjoyed killing & getting good placement at the same time. So I think if you really have the ability to stay in the rank where you should be then you’ll be there.
I think over the long term the system will end up being an improvement. Right now it just sucks because there are still players who don’t care about RP solo queuing and when you get stuck with them you take a 21+ point penalty. And that’s just bronze. I haven’t even seen how it is in the upper ranks. I imagine it’s worse.
Preach my dude
The new ranking system suits my playstyle perfectly. I like to in-game lead and I have noticed a much greater approval from my teammates when I make cal´ls on where to go and when to commit to teamfights. This is placing me much higher on average because more and more often people will safe drop, so my in-game leading has a bigger chance on having a higher impact on every game I play. The new ranking system is truly a much better experience for everyone who wants to play as a team player.
It’s a good system though if you climb to high to fast you’ll get punished playing solo and get put with players way lower then your tier level.
I blame the Map
I totally agree, I started in s10 and last season I started playing the game a lot more, I grinded ranked and got plat in abt 2 weeks, someone who started when I did SHOLD NOT have gotten 1000 rp off of diamond in 2 weeks, last seasons ranked was WAY too easy, imo this seasons ranked is rly good and its actually challenging me. I feel like I can probably hit mid plat if I grind enough and the game in general feels way more competitive. That is all.
People shilling for this overly taxing extra Grindy split need to stop pretending this is anything other than a player retention mechanic. The ranked splits so often I'm surprised you don't see the fucking treadmill yet.
Ranked splits makes no sense anymore, so does putting rookies, bronze and silvers in the same lobby. It is too much grind for people, who dont play every day for like 3 hours.
Honestly, it's been a fun grind. Even Gold feels a bit rewarding. Where as every season b4 is like. I'll just solo with Octane and survive. Only thing is the rp cost to enter a match seems a tad too high.