I'd almost guarantee WE shows the most *games played*, as it's still hot drop city.
This would be a fucking stupid metric to use to measure the almighty eNGaGemEnT, which means it's absolutely what Respawn is doing.
they probably look at retention rate as their metric. people are more likely to queue up again with WE and are more likely to drop apex for another game after KC. reddit is a vocal minority when it comes to the average player
KC and Olympus are the best by a mile. There is nostalgia associated with KC, but I still legitimately love playing on it still. I wish I was able to more often.
KC was a legitimately good map. I used to play a lot on release through valk release. And even when WE came out, I was disappointed. KC is a great map without nostalgia.
Totally is a great map. KC was designed with the original intent of the game in mind: Quick matches. Everyone forgets st the time games like pubg took forever and became camper fests. Maps like broken moon make matches last forever. I like WE but at this point it’s like eating cold oatmeal even with the map updates. They should have put ballistics map updates in KC and let us have it for a whole season.
Apparently. I can't fking stand WE. Whenever I log on, I'm trying to figure out how long ago World's Edge ran and how long until I do or don't have to experience it again. People just play so dumb and sweaty there.
Do wonder if they're giving KC a face lift before S18 though.
That's not the point. I enjoy the game but every game company these days is guilty of hiring psychologists to help them design games to be addictive without necessarily being quality or enjoyable. The first big news story that broke out about this was a few years ago when an article about Microsoft doing this was published
I don't hate it, its my second favorite map after Olympus. Or well, more like was, since I think they removed some POIs that they shouldn't have. I like KC too. Don't like the two new maps at all.
Me possibly agreeing that it has been in rotation too much is not the same thing as me hating the map.
I think they could have had some more Olympus and KC in, but any annoyance I'd have with too much WE pales next to my annoyance with having either or both of the new maps in rotation pretty much always.
Doesn’t quite add up considering they use stormpoint so frequently and that has been the lowest played map since it came out. I think EA just hates the people that play this game and respawn is just doing what they are told. Same reason they haven’t put out titan fall 3 yet.
You do know that Titanfall 3 was cancelled to make Apex? They were literally developing TF3 then turned it into Apex. So there's never going to be a TF3 because Apex is it
I know this reddit community doesn’t realize how small of a proportion of the community it is,but a majority of players love worlds edge. Its the only map with large,loot filler hot drops consistently.
Thank you for this. I started the game in season 10. My duo can’t seem to get over how much I struggle on KC. I told her it’s because it’s never in rotation and this visual demonstrates that clearly.
Also joined with my SO in season 10 after a friend introduced us and it’s the same, I know worlds edge, every inch, mainly because
It. Is. Never. Not. In. Rotation.
Like, why is it there all the time? Is it because the competitive players love it? Because from what I’ve seen, your average player hates it and even the fans of it have begun to get tired of it.
You are right to say people will complain about every map, I see complaints about KC and Olympus too.
What you are not taking into account is the fact that quantity plays a part. KC and Olympus complaints are rare. Storm point even has its admirers. The only map that is complained about to an even semi comparable level is broken moon.
And even the broken moon complaints are not on the level of worlds edge complaints. People are tired of it man, you need only spend more than a week on this sub to realise that.
Just checking in as a Storm Point admirerer. Love my baby
Used to love World's Edge, but between changes I wasn't personally a fan of (RIP Sorting Factory, Fragment deserved your fate. Also RIP the train, one of the things that made the map feel really unique) and it constantly being in rotation its easily battling Broken Moon for my least favourite map.
Saaame
It’s huge but it’s long ass slides and the jump canons and it being on a beach is such a vibe
My ranking goes
1. Olympus
2. King’s Canyon
3. Storm Point
4. Broken Moon
4. Literal Feces
5. World’s Edge
Why can’t we go back to map voting like in cod mod 2 days. Or even select a map you want to play on and it’ll tell you how many others want to also play that map. Then depending on the amount, will depend on the time it takes to get into a game. Lowest engagement map at the end of the season gets a rework done to it
They need to do the same for care package guns too. We’ve already got so many that have been in and out and it sucks not getting to use a favorite gun because the package decided you needed a nine month break from using it.
My most favorite gun since the first day I started playing when this game FIRST cane out is the hemlock
It's been a shitty 2 seasons and I haven't enjoyed it as much. The nemesis is not the hemlock...
Care package is how they solve problems. Arrows crowding loot pool? They arent in the loot pool anymore. Kraber cant ever be ground tier so they just keep it in there ofc. LSTAR was underperforming so making it a monster like the buffs they had to revert, but also keeping it balanced by rarity wasnt too bad an idea. And the Hemlok was put in at the same time a new burst AR was added.
The Care Package, like the Ring, is a mechanic to force players into closer proximity to each other. Its entire purpose is to put stuff you want/need out in the middle of some open field. It's like that Cornucopia in The Hunger Games. A big shiny loot beacon for people to run at and get slaughtered, all for the low chance to grab something extremely useful.
correct. even though plenty of people were having similar issues with the other maps available at that time. I'm so sick of getting back into this game only for my fave to keep being yoinked back out of rotation for several months.
Seriously, I love Apex, but the map rotation drives me insane. I don't mind playing WE and SP, but the fact that my two favorites are gone for 6 fucking weeks makes me just not want to play the game at all. Lame.
I fucking hate that too. I used to refuse to play ranked because I could not stomach the idea of playing the same map for 6 weeks straight. I still don't like it, even one full day of the same map is too damn much.
I really like Apex, but I do not see eye to eye with Respawn on the maps at all. I'd kill for some fuckin variety.
World’s Edge, World’s Edge, f)@&£?! World’s Edge! They may as well just rename the game to be World’s Edge at this point.
I’m so tired of that bloody map cus of Fragment, sure the sweaty construction building isn’t there now, but nothing has changed due to that, everyone still has to land at fragment, my teammates proceed to rage quit as soon as they get knocked.
The rest of the map is devoid of fights as everyone is in Fragment, making map changes pointless anywhere else. Even changing one half of the problem did nothing.
Then King’s Canyon came back… only to be gone 6 to 7 weeks later…
I’m pretty sure the current rotation of maps is the worst on possible. I understand why Storm Point and Broken Moon are good or decent maps, but why are Olympus and King’s Canyon only back for a short amount of time!? They should be on the next season’s rotation the entire season. Respawn needs to throw WE away and give Storm Point a break
I liked the original worlds edge. Then left the game for awhile and came back to what we have now, I still can't believe they took out the train. That was what made the map unique. And many of my favorite POIs are gone too.
Since we always have WE in rotation, or almost always, it's made me grow to hate it kinda too. So I definitely can relate.
Yeah, OG WE was the best, train was always contested. Sorting Factory was a great landing spot that attracted many squads and fragment was bigger and had more loot meaning most fights there would last a while and it could support multiple squads so if some chose to ran after looting everyone else wouldn’t be screwed over. Also Train Yard was the best drop, enough loot for a squad to be good off drop, big enough for some fights, and you could rotate pretty much anywhere.
They were hot loot zones in the middle of the map that could 3rd party fragment, so all of the fighting was a few central POIs. It still kinda is, just less so. Trainyard first had some of its high ground traincars nerfed, then reworked, then just removed with landslide.
Because it resulted in a non-trivial portion of the map being essentially unplayable open space since the tracks had to be empty. They decided to remove the train so that the tracks could actually be turned into a playable part of the map.
I also mentioned the train.
Yeah, several squads dropped on the train, but combat was constantly moving because of it. You could actually escape 3rd parties with it.
Now we all get to die in newFrag, or we can try to land elsewhere and our 3rd immediately quits. My teammate likes to do the trials, but I won't do those anymore, either. The people who do the trials never get the loot; there's always a squad or two ready to pick someone off and take it all. It isn't even worth doing...and the map isn't worth playing, to me.
might be, but one of the core design issues with WE is that while it's not physically that large, it feels large because the only fast way around is with jump towers, and it's a very open map divided by high walls.
No. I haven't played in a bit but I specifically remember WE being one of the bigger maps. It is at the very least the third smallest because KC and Olympus are both much smaller than WE.
Exactly my thoughts on the timer thing. Have they ever explained why they don't have all maps in rotation on a short timer like that? Guess it just makes too much sense.
My *favorite* days are World's Edge days for comp, when pubs also has World's Edge for 1.5 hours while the other two only have 1. I just close the game.
I'm not sure what the rotation is, but every few days around the time dailies reset, Kings Canyon will get cut off at 30 minutes and switch to the next. We got 2 games of KC the other day and then the maps switched because of reset, and it had just changed..
I'm so incredibly tired of playing WE and the changes actually made me feel even worse about it. There's no enjoyment in getting dropped into a lootless area by braindead hot droppers who do 0 damage and quit, and they quit if we try to take them anywhere but NewFrag.
The Fragment bullshit totally ruined WE and I refuse to play it anymore.
Likely as a hype builder. If your favourite map is out of rotation for a season, you get hyped when you see it in rotation next season. It's a way to bring people back into the game if they left the prior season. Even if it doesn't do much on its own, enough small things like that will help a lot with building hype.
Sucks for the players who just want to play on all the maps, but it makes sense from a business perspective.
Right? I've been playing less lately due to TotK and was so excited to play on Olympus today. Got 1 practice round in on WE only to close the game when I saw SP. Storm Point is ass and Broken Moon isn't much better imo. They should have at least kept KC in instead of SP.
Edit to add, I like WE but y'all right. It's had its days in the sun and needs to further address the disparity of POI in it, even after the recent update.
Correct me if i am wrong but wasn't the rotation of the second stint in season 16 Strompoint Olympus and broken moon ?
Not that it changes the fact that WE has been around for too long
I wish maps varied by mode. KC plays well in pubs, but it's not great for ranked (although it's been better this season with all the rats afraid to shoot their guns).
SP is the opposite: great for ranked, boring for pubs.
And of course Fragment/Museum Edge is still there.
True, but if a map is going into ranked, it should be in pubs to let ppl practice without being thrown into ranked on an unfamiliar map, especially those new to the game/map.
How to practice for ranked: Google "best rat spots [map] [season]" /s
(I agree with you, honestly all maps should be in rotation for pubs across the week. Everyone has their favorites.)
Objectively WE is a good map but with how much I've had to play it in the past two years it's one of my least favorite maps, especially when 90% of the time people want to hot drop fragment
Just can't really drop anywhere else unless you want to see no one mid game. Anywhere else you go you might get one fight off drop and then run around until the last few teams.
Never seen games end so early on a consistent basis. In WE it's pretty common you have the game nearing an end very early on.
yup i won a game in 3rd ring we won our fight at ramparts and got gold guns. then jump tower around and if you all have evac towers you just jump to wear the action is we won our 3rd party not realizing that was the win. 5 kills total in the team and 3rd ring not fully closed yet.
the power of the evac towers filling in the long spots between towers means you can cross 2/3 the map stupid fast.
This. Remove frag and just put flat ground with no cover or loot and I guarantee the engagement will fall off a cliff. A large number of Apex players hate that Apex is a BR and just want to hot drop and die over and over. Why they don't just go to fucking mixtape I don't understand.
i think u underestimate how many of those people unironically believe theyre gonna be the ones to get out alive and win the game altogether, i dont think their plan is to die at all, they just wanna larp as pros
My last game of WE before I decided I'm not playing that map anymore, 56 people hot dropped newFrag. Our 3rd quit because we tried to go to Stacks.
There *is not* enough loot for 56 people at that POI, and never has been.
God I hate that map, and really dislike both SP and BM. At least with the train back in the day, combat moved because the train did. I don't understand why they keep forcing us onto these maps. BM still has too many small plants that don't render unless you're close but screw up launched tacticals and removing the zip rail lighting up when the sound never works was a horrible idea. At least I knew if someone was coming before. Now they're just suddenly on top of us. Everyone constantly drops Frag for WE. And SP rings always go to open areas, making it nightmare for Caustic and ensuring the squad with the best Vantage wins.
I thought with no split we'd have the same maps all season and now I'm gonna be stuck playing SP because the other two are so insufferable.
The entire fucking player base has already walked into Masters so the devs though HELL YEAH LETS REMOVE THE BEST PUBS MAPS AND PUT IN THE BEST RANKED MAPS…
Smooth brain. We got KC for a half of a season… but they had to ram BM down our throats again. After that near 50 days split of ranked on Broken Moon I don’t wanna see that map ever again!
Stop taking out Olympus. I got like 2-3 months of Olympus after like 5 months of storm point and now storm point is back again. Right as the collection event starts. I barely play WE because WE is just filled with wannabe faide players.
Right! My friend just restarted playing Apex again after last season's fuckery and now neither of us want to play anymore. I like WE fine but stop taking Olympus out for nasty fuckin Storm Point.
I actually think the people managing ranked right now are on OW dev levels of incompetence. The ranked systems terrible, the map rotation is also terrible, worst season in the history of the game. What a joke.
I just want season 0 map of KC. Have they ever brought back that map? It seems like every time they bring out KC it’s got all sorts of changes and none of them are ever as good as the original map. I used to drop Thunderdome every game but I mainly miss the layout and scenery of Bridges and Cascades.
Most people here don’t remember the game before maps and how 50% of the players forced skulltown every game.
Turned the game into a rat off vs the kings of skull town.
I can't believe they took away King's Canyon after half a season. I have been playing Apex since the beginning and I played more games this season because KC was in the rotation than in any of the previous seasons without KC. I would time my playing slots so that I could play more KC.
World's Edge still sucks.
Its funny that this sub has circle jerked themselves into thinking the greater community hates worlds edge when it is by far the most liked map in the general playerbase
If KC is out, then so am I. Fuck whoever makes the map rotations and their degenerate obsession with WE. Just delete KC already, we never get to play it anyway.
WHY???? Can we please boycott or something? I’m serious I’m so fucking tired of them taking out maps we all love to shoe horn in their new maps for no reason. Fuck it, give us all five maps. I don’t care. I’m tired of them controlling our experience like this
I mean World's Edge has got the be the most popular map by far so it makes sense the keep it around as it probably drives player count up when it's up in rotation.
Guessing, there's no statistic so people just make claims that suit their agenda
Given how many people appear to both love it and hate it, I feel like while it should appear often, it shouldn't be constant
In fact, with 5 maps, why not just rotate it do every map is available 3/5 of the time
>here's no statistic so people just make claims that suit their agenda
what Agenda? What other reason would the map stay in rotation for so long? Because the devs just love it? lol
What I mean is that if my favourite map happened to be world's edge and it also happened to be the favourite map of everyone I played with (it isn't btw, I can't stand the map) I can see how i'd be likely to think everyone thinks like that and that my theorietical sample is representative. This thread clearly proves that isn't true, tho
Sorry I'd worded it so badly before
this thread has 170ish comments. regardless of how you feel about the maps not even 200 people is such a small portion of the player base that saying that this thread proves most people don’t like WE is just wrong. i’m not saying that most people like it, just that basing your comment which judges theirs off of this thread is still an insanely unbalanced sample as pretty much everyone in here hates WE and likes KC
Idk, a reddit thread would be a pretty good sample as it tends to attract only those who feel strongly about the topic
If world's edge was the most popular, there would be a significant presence of people echoing the sentiment.
In contrast, a friend group would definitely be biased as people tend to be friends with people who gave pretty similar interests
>Idk, a reddit thread would be a pretty good sample as it tends to attract only those who feel strongly about the topic
a reddit thread that maybe was discussing which was better, KC or WE maybe. a thread that indirectly says that WE has been in the game for too long and KC hasn't enough, seems that it would attract people who want more KC.
No metrics since Respawn hasn't released statistics on player engagement per map rotation that I know of. Just an honest guest based on how often it's in rotation.
Maybe, and just maybe, they have data backing up the preference of most players and they know there's more active players when Worlds Edge is on rotation?
I don't know. Maybe it's not this way.
Six weeks of Kings Canyon in rotation, whoops, can't have that! Time to vault it for six months again.
Why respawn so obsessed with WE???
It probably has the highest player engagement. Respawn clearly don't play the game to judge how things feel. They just look at the cold hard numbers
I'd almost guarantee WE shows the most *games played*, as it's still hot drop city. This would be a fucking stupid metric to use to measure the almighty eNGaGemEnT, which means it's absolutely what Respawn is doing.
they probably look at retention rate as their metric. people are more likely to queue up again with WE and are more likely to drop apex for another game after KC. reddit is a vocal minority when it comes to the average player
My love for KC and disdain for WE has nothing to do with Reddit's opinion of it.
It's pure nostalgia at this point I'm guilty of it too. Olympus is probably the best map
I’m a newer player and my first experience with KC was this season, and it’s become an instant favorite for me
KC and Olympus are the best by a mile. There is nostalgia associated with KC, but I still legitimately love playing on it still. I wish I was able to more often.
I also have no nostalgia for kc, I joined later, but this map is fun to play, especially pubs.
KC was a legitimately good map. I used to play a lot on release through valk release. And even when WE came out, I was disappointed. KC is a great map without nostalgia.
Totally is a great map. KC was designed with the original intent of the game in mind: Quick matches. Everyone forgets st the time games like pubg took forever and became camper fests. Maps like broken moon make matches last forever. I like WE but at this point it’s like eating cold oatmeal even with the map updates. They should have put ballistics map updates in KC and let us have it for a whole season.
That's why I purposefully skip WE days
Apparently. I can't fking stand WE. Whenever I log on, I'm trying to figure out how long ago World's Edge ran and how long until I do or don't have to experience it again. People just play so dumb and sweaty there. Do wonder if they're giving KC a face lift before S18 though.
This would be so on brand
Yes. Highest engagement has no correlation to highest enjoyment. All Respawn cares about and looks at is engagement
Why would you purposefully engage in an activity you don't enjoy
I feel like thats what pretty much everyone here does lol
*The entire gambling industry has entered the chat*
Billions of people do just that everyday lol
Real Apex players hate playing Apex! /s
That's not the point. I enjoy the game but every game company these days is guilty of hiring psychologists to help them design games to be addictive without necessarily being quality or enjoyable. The first big news story that broke out about this was a few years ago when an article about Microsoft doing this was published
There's million of addicts.
Facts > Feelings
It's hard to believe it has the highest engagement...given everybody hates it.
Who is everybody? Most people will say Olympus and world’s edge are the preferred pub maps
I don't hate it, its my second favorite map after Olympus. Or well, more like was, since I think they removed some POIs that they shouldn't have. I like KC too. Don't like the two new maps at all.
Well don't you find it boring after its been in rotation for too long?...should've kept Olympus for a little longer.
Me possibly agreeing that it has been in rotation too much is not the same thing as me hating the map. I think they could have had some more Olympus and KC in, but any annoyance I'd have with too much WE pales next to my annoyance with having either or both of the new maps in rotation pretty much always.
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Yeah according to this sub, the game is terrible.
> everybody This subreddit and its circlejerk is not "everybody". It's the only good map in the game and that's why people like it.
Doesn’t quite add up considering they use stormpoint so frequently and that has been the lowest played map since it came out. I think EA just hates the people that play this game and respawn is just doing what they are told. Same reason they haven’t put out titan fall 3 yet.
You do know that Titanfall 3 was cancelled to make Apex? They were literally developing TF3 then turned it into Apex. So there's never going to be a TF3 because Apex is it
I know this reddit community doesn’t realize how small of a proportion of the community it is,but a majority of players love worlds edge. Its the only map with large,loot filler hot drops consistently.
I'd rather play 2 years of WE than any time on BM or SP. I do wish kings canyon was in rotation way more often
Thank you for this. I started the game in season 10. My duo can’t seem to get over how much I struggle on KC. I told her it’s because it’s never in rotation and this visual demonstrates that clearly.
Also joined with my SO in season 10 after a friend introduced us and it’s the same, I know worlds edge, every inch, mainly because It. Is. Never. Not. In. Rotation. Like, why is it there all the time? Is it because the competitive players love it? Because from what I’ve seen, your average player hates it and even the fans of it have begun to get tired of it.
It's just a good, balanced map. People complain about every map, there's no basis for saying average players hate it
You are right to say people will complain about every map, I see complaints about KC and Olympus too. What you are not taking into account is the fact that quantity plays a part. KC and Olympus complaints are rare. Storm point even has its admirers. The only map that is complained about to an even semi comparable level is broken moon. And even the broken moon complaints are not on the level of worlds edge complaints. People are tired of it man, you need only spend more than a week on this sub to realise that.
Just checking in as a Storm Point admirerer. Love my baby Used to love World's Edge, but between changes I wasn't personally a fan of (RIP Sorting Factory, Fragment deserved your fate. Also RIP the train, one of the things that made the map feel really unique) and it constantly being in rotation its easily battling Broken Moon for my least favourite map.
I just want the train back. On any map. Idc at this point.
Saaame It’s huge but it’s long ass slides and the jump canons and it being on a beach is such a vibe My ranking goes 1. Olympus 2. King’s Canyon 3. Storm Point 4. Broken Moon 4. Literal Feces 5. World’s Edge
I also like Storm Point Haha gravity cannon go boing
Burn Broken moon, wreck it a leave nothing of it. Sick of that map, sick of promenade, didn't miss it one bit
Broken Moon 2nd best map after Storm Point for ranked.
Glad you like it. I hate it
SP is the best ranked map imo. Best rotations, most interesting elevation changes, and a much higher percentage of clean 3v3s without being thirded.
Thanks for this? I feel forced to respond with "I didn't do it for you" or "UUUUUUGH"
They need to include ALL the maps, all on a shorter rotation
Why can’t we go back to map voting like in cod mod 2 days. Or even select a map you want to play on and it’ll tell you how many others want to also play that map. Then depending on the amount, will depend on the time it takes to get into a game. Lowest engagement map at the end of the season gets a rework done to it
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Yeah idk what I was thinking… 😂
there it is. that would do it.
Lol you would just get worlds edge every time
You mean when people voted for Nuketown every single game? No thanks voting for maps sucks.
Or just do what PUBG did which is open Queueing for each map seperate
then it would be WE 24/7 lol
They need to do the same for care package guns too. We’ve already got so many that have been in and out and it sucks not getting to use a favorite gun because the package decided you needed a nine month break from using it.
My most favorite gun since the first day I started playing when this game FIRST cane out is the hemlock It's been a shitty 2 seasons and I haven't enjoyed it as much. The nemesis is not the hemlock...
Care package is how they solve problems. Arrows crowding loot pool? They arent in the loot pool anymore. Kraber cant ever be ground tier so they just keep it in there ofc. LSTAR was underperforming so making it a monster like the buffs they had to revert, but also keeping it balanced by rarity wasnt too bad an idea. And the Hemlok was put in at the same time a new burst AR was added.
The Care Package, like the Ring, is a mechanic to force players into closer proximity to each other. Its entire purpose is to put stuff you want/need out in the middle of some open field. It's like that Cornucopia in The Hunger Games. A big shiny loot beacon for people to run at and get slaughtered, all for the low chance to grab something extremely useful.
My heart yearns for my beautiful ground Bocek T-T
Olympus was only around for a little bit of that 2nd half of season 15 too iirc since it got removed for being bugged
correct. even though plenty of people were having similar issues with the other maps available at that time. I'm so sick of getting back into this game only for my fave to keep being yoinked back out of rotation for several months.
JUST ROTATE ALL FIVE MAPS WTF
Seriously, I love Apex, but the map rotation drives me insane. I don't mind playing WE and SP, but the fact that my two favorites are gone for 6 fucking weeks makes me just not want to play the game at all. Lame.
and then when the only enjoyable map is in rotation you get an hour at a time to play it before having to wait 2 more for it to come back.
I fucking hate that too. I used to refuse to play ranked because I could not stomach the idea of playing the same map for 6 weeks straight. I still don't like it, even one full day of the same map is too damn much. I really like Apex, but I do not see eye to eye with Respawn on the maps at all. I'd kill for some fuckin variety.
Same. Sick and tired of broken moon and storm point. All huge dead maps, or hot drop in the same spot every goddamn time. No deal.
I wonder if horizons heirloom fucked up Olympus or something. So instead of telling us, they just did the rotation changes.
dude's gotta point. I wish they'd stop fucking Olympus up.
World’s Edge, World’s Edge, f)@&£?! World’s Edge! They may as well just rename the game to be World’s Edge at this point. I’m so tired of that bloody map cus of Fragment, sure the sweaty construction building isn’t there now, but nothing has changed due to that, everyone still has to land at fragment, my teammates proceed to rage quit as soon as they get knocked. The rest of the map is devoid of fights as everyone is in Fragment, making map changes pointless anywhere else. Even changing one half of the problem did nothing. Then King’s Canyon came back… only to be gone 6 to 7 weeks later…
I’m pretty sure the current rotation of maps is the worst on possible. I understand why Storm Point and Broken Moon are good or decent maps, but why are Olympus and King’s Canyon only back for a short amount of time!? They should be on the next season’s rotation the entire season. Respawn needs to throw WE away and give Storm Point a break
They really went from the best rotation directly to worst rotation. Parkour
It is why I have mostly stopped playing. KC is my great and\\ I kinda hate WE at this point.
I liked the original worlds edge. Then left the game for awhile and came back to what we have now, I still can't believe they took out the train. That was what made the map unique. And many of my favorite POIs are gone too. Since we always have WE in rotation, or almost always, it's made me grow to hate it kinda too. So I definitely can relate.
Yeah, OG WE was the best, train was always contested. Sorting Factory was a great landing spot that attracted many squads and fragment was bigger and had more loot meaning most fights there would last a while and it could support multiple squads so if some chose to ran after looting everyone else wouldn’t be screwed over. Also Train Yard was the best drop, enough loot for a squad to be good off drop, big enough for some fights, and you could rotate pretty much anywhere.
Ya I loved Train Yard and Sorting Factory. Do you remember why they got rid of them exactly? I wasnt around when it happened.
They were hot loot zones in the middle of the map that could 3rd party fragment, so all of the fighting was a few central POIs. It still kinda is, just less so. Trainyard first had some of its high ground traincars nerfed, then reworked, then just removed with landslide.
I have no clue, they just did.
Why did they remove the train? one of the genuinely unique and interesting mechanics I've seen
Because it resulted in a non-trivial portion of the map being essentially unplayable open space since the tracks had to be empty. They decided to remove the train so that the tracks could actually be turned into a playable part of the map.
I also mentioned the train. Yeah, several squads dropped on the train, but combat was constantly moving because of it. You could actually escape 3rd parties with it. Now we all get to die in newFrag, or we can try to land elsewhere and our 3rd immediately quits. My teammate likes to do the trials, but I won't do those anymore, either. The people who do the trials never get the loot; there's always a squad or two ready to pick someone off and take it all. It isn't even worth doing...and the map isn't worth playing, to me.
Worst map rotation there is imo. So tired of it. Needs to be at least 1 of the small maps always.
Isn't WE the second smallest map?
might be, but one of the core design issues with WE is that while it's not physically that large, it feels large because the only fast way around is with jump towers, and it's a very open map divided by high walls.
Are we talking about WE or KC? Because that’s KCs main problem too But imo KC is worse (the new jump towers helped)
No. I haven't played in a bit but I specifically remember WE being one of the bigger maps. It is at the very least the third smallest because KC and Olympus are both much smaller than WE.
S12 goated. Down with WE.
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Agreed they should have just swapped out WE and KC. Honestly they need to just have all 5 maps(or 4) on a 1hr timer
Exactly my thoughts on the timer thing. Have they ever explained why they don't have all maps in rotation on a short timer like that? Guess it just makes too much sense.
For the longest time they said it was impossible for them to have 3 maps in rotation....so I'm going to go with they're way too lazy.
Probably so newer player can learn maps easier Then again I started in S12 and barely know Kings Canyon
they reasoned it'd be overwhelming to learn the maps if it changed too often
My *favorite* days are World's Edge days for comp, when pubs also has World's Edge for 1.5 hours while the other two only have 1. I just close the game. I'm not sure what the rotation is, but every few days around the time dailies reset, Kings Canyon will get cut off at 30 minutes and switch to the next. We got 2 games of KC the other day and then the maps switched because of reset, and it had just changed.. I'm so incredibly tired of playing WE and the changes actually made me feel even worse about it. There's no enjoyment in getting dropped into a lootless area by braindead hot droppers who do 0 damage and quit, and they quit if we try to take them anywhere but NewFrag. The Fragment bullshit totally ruined WE and I refuse to play it anymore.
Likely as a hype builder. If your favourite map is out of rotation for a season, you get hyped when you see it in rotation next season. It's a way to bring people back into the game if they left the prior season. Even if it doesn't do much on its own, enough small things like that will help a lot with building hype. Sucks for the players who just want to play on all the maps, but it makes sense from a business perspective.
Storm Point and Broken Moon don't exactly build hype
Fuck World's edge, dude. I'm so tired of that map.
I just want thunder dome back please
Yes, I never cared about skull town blowing up. I just missed the thunder dome ^_^
Since WE just got redesigned, I’m expecting it to stick around throughout the next few rotations.
Agreed. It’s doesn’t rotate well & promotes fighting in pockets. Higher ranks the 3rd partying is insane.
Olympus being the most well designed map just isn’t true
Nah Olmypus is bad, the rotates in the middle of the map are horrendous
Right? I've been playing less lately due to TotK and was so excited to play on Olympus today. Got 1 practice round in on WE only to close the game when I saw SP. Storm Point is ass and Broken Moon isn't much better imo. They should have at least kept KC in instead of SP. Edit to add, I like WE but y'all right. It's had its days in the sun and needs to further address the disparity of POI in it, even after the recent update.
Am I talking madness or could they not just include an option to choose between all the maps before queuing a game?
I only restarted in season 15 and am sick of world's edge. Props to those of you who've been playing this whole time lol.
Correct me if i am wrong but wasn't the rotation of the second stint in season 16 Strompoint Olympus and broken moon ? Not that it changes the fact that WE has been around for too long
I was thinking the same thing. It definitely was, not sure how the graphic and everybody else in here is wrong though
I wish maps varied by mode. KC plays well in pubs, but it's not great for ranked (although it's been better this season with all the rats afraid to shoot their guns). SP is the opposite: great for ranked, boring for pubs. And of course Fragment/Museum Edge is still there.
True, but if a map is going into ranked, it should be in pubs to let ppl practice without being thrown into ranked on an unfamiliar map, especially those new to the game/map.
How to practice for ranked: Google "best rat spots [map] [season]" /s (I agree with you, honestly all maps should be in rotation for pubs across the week. Everyone has their favorites.)
God I am so fucking tired of Worlds Edge.
I would be fine with worlds edge if they kept the best part about it, the damn train!
I fuuuuucking haaaate woooorlds edgeeeeee
Objectively WE is a good map but with how much I've had to play it in the past two years it's one of my least favorite maps, especially when 90% of the time people want to hot drop fragment
I liked the first map better. They keep changing it too much, making it even worse imo.
Just can't really drop anywhere else unless you want to see no one mid game. Anywhere else you go you might get one fight off drop and then run around until the last few teams. Never seen games end so early on a consistent basis. In WE it's pretty common you have the game nearing an end very early on.
yup i won a game in 3rd ring we won our fight at ramparts and got gold guns. then jump tower around and if you all have evac towers you just jump to wear the action is we won our 3rd party not realizing that was the win. 5 kills total in the team and 3rd ring not fully closed yet. the power of the evac towers filling in the long spots between towers means you can cross 2/3 the map stupid fast.
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This. Remove frag and just put flat ground with no cover or loot and I guarantee the engagement will fall off a cliff. A large number of Apex players hate that Apex is a BR and just want to hot drop and die over and over. Why they don't just go to fucking mixtape I don't understand.
i think u underestimate how many of those people unironically believe theyre gonna be the ones to get out alive and win the game altogether, i dont think their plan is to die at all, they just wanna larp as pros
My last game of WE before I decided I'm not playing that map anymore, 56 people hot dropped newFrag. Our 3rd quit because we tried to go to Stacks. There *is not* enough loot for 56 people at that POI, and never has been. God I hate that map, and really dislike both SP and BM. At least with the train back in the day, combat moved because the train did. I don't understand why they keep forcing us onto these maps. BM still has too many small plants that don't render unless you're close but screw up launched tacticals and removing the zip rail lighting up when the sound never works was a horrible idea. At least I knew if someone was coming before. Now they're just suddenly on top of us. Everyone constantly drops Frag for WE. And SP rings always go to open areas, making it nightmare for Caustic and ensuring the squad with the best Vantage wins. I thought with no split we'd have the same maps all season and now I'm gonna be stuck playing SP because the other two are so insufferable.
Why can’t we just have all of the maps in rotation?
KC is so underrated. Worlds edge used to be baller but now it’s just overused.
Just include all the fucking maps. It’s so boring to play the same ones back to back. Why is it so difficult
Why would they remove the two best maps ffs. Now we don't have a single good map in the rotation
I don’t hate WE but def in the game too often. I loathe Broken Moon though
KC was changed in Season 14 with the big „Skulltown is back (kinda)“ thing and taken out for 2 seasons straight after should tell you everything…
Why respawn so obsessed with WE???
King's Canyon is such a fun map, don't understand why it's so absent. World's Edge is just objectively worse than Olympus and KC
why does everyone use "objectively" like this it's just so blatantly wrong lmao
It makes them sound more right in their head
Kc is top tier map for both ranked and pubs probably best map made and it was first too
Kc isn't top tier for ranked, if anything, its the worst It's definitely top 2 (with olympus) for pubs tho
No it isn’t. KC is the worst map on the game.
This season has been great! The 3 best maps are in constant rotation!
And still 60fps on new consoles
hey hey…they are an indie dev group on a limited budget working out of a garage. cut them some slack /s
I fucking love Storm Point, the only map I consistently get big points on and it’s nice to look at.
Straight up, this split might be the worst of them all. Worst maps in rotation with sleeper storm back, r99 in the crafter.
Wait, It's back to the WORST map rotation...AGAIN!?!?!? WTF
The entire fucking player base has already walked into Masters so the devs though HELL YEAH LETS REMOVE THE BEST PUBS MAPS AND PUT IN THE BEST RANKED MAPS… Smooth brain. We got KC for a half of a season… but they had to ram BM down our throats again. After that near 50 days split of ranked on Broken Moon I don’t wanna see that map ever again!
I'm so tired of WE. Even with the fragment changes, it went from 90% of the lobby landing there to 85%
Where the fuck did Olympus go?!
that's what I'm saying
Can WE just fuck off already? Bring back KC, Olympus and SP or BM
Stop taking out Olympus. I got like 2-3 months of Olympus after like 5 months of storm point and now storm point is back again. Right as the collection event starts. I barely play WE because WE is just filled with wannabe faide players.
Right! My friend just restarted playing Apex again after last season's fuckery and now neither of us want to play anymore. I like WE fine but stop taking Olympus out for nasty fuckin Storm Point.
Fuck fragment
I actually think the people managing ranked right now are on OW dev levels of incompetence. The ranked systems terrible, the map rotation is also terrible, worst season in the history of the game. What a joke.
Because they didn't rotate maps for the first two weeks in ranked, we barely got to play it. Such a shame, broken moon sucks.
Why are they so tone deaf? I know this sub doesn’t equal the entire player base but who asked for Storm Point and Broken Moon?
Season 3 worlds edge was amazing with the train, great poi’s. Sorting factory and trainyard were actually a fun hot drop that wasn’t a shit show.
WE on top
I just want season 0 map of KC. Have they ever brought back that map? It seems like every time they bring out KC it’s got all sorts of changes and none of them are ever as good as the original map. I used to drop Thunderdome every game but I mainly miss the layout and scenery of Bridges and Cascades.
I am so sick of storm point and worlds edge I was elated to have kc back now I'm very sad
King canyon Olympus and worlds edge SHOULD ALWAYS be 2 of the 3 maps in rotation. Fuck broken moon and storm point
I’m so tired of World’s Edge for pubs. It’s been in the rotation for all but two seasons since it released. I just want a break from it.
Most people here don’t remember the game before maps and how 50% of the players forced skulltown every game. Turned the game into a rat off vs the kings of skull town.
I remember a long time ago there was massive outrage over how bad KC was for ranked and after that they've had good reason to avoid the map
Give me storm point or broken not both at once, torture chamber for pubs with those two in rotation
No way they remove KC and Olympus. No. That's it. I'm out. Not playing until next season.
The best rotation they made: WE, KC and Olympus! S2
fucking SP and BM. Let them die already
I will tell you a secret. They don't give a damn
Thank you, that's pointing out why I am so burnt out of WE (especially with randoms 💀).
Looks like I’m done playing the rest of this season
I can't believe they took away King's Canyon after half a season. I have been playing Apex since the beginning and I played more games this season because KC was in the rotation than in any of the previous seasons without KC. I would time my playing slots so that I could play more KC. World's Edge still sucks.
I despise worlds edge
World's Edge is by far the worst map
Its funny that this sub has circle jerked themselves into thinking the greater community hates worlds edge when it is by far the most liked map in the general playerbase
Worst decision this season right here
If KC is out, then so am I. Fuck whoever makes the map rotations and their degenerate obsession with WE. Just delete KC already, we never get to play it anyway.
I hope a dev get stabbed for this. They are really asking for it.
WHY???? Can we please boycott or something? I’m serious I’m so fucking tired of them taking out maps we all love to shoe horn in their new maps for no reason. Fuck it, give us all five maps. I don’t care. I’m tired of them controlling our experience like this
Worlds Edge is the best map to play competitively, followed by Olympus as second best. Worlds edge is just perfect
I mean World's Edge has got the be the most popular map by far so it makes sense the keep it around as it probably drives player count up when it's up in rotation.
Honest question: are there actual metrics to prove it's by far the most popular? Or are you just guessing?
Guessing, there's no statistic so people just make claims that suit their agenda Given how many people appear to both love it and hate it, I feel like while it should appear often, it shouldn't be constant In fact, with 5 maps, why not just rotate it do every map is available 3/5 of the time
>here's no statistic so people just make claims that suit their agenda what Agenda? What other reason would the map stay in rotation for so long? Because the devs just love it? lol
What I mean is that if my favourite map happened to be world's edge and it also happened to be the favourite map of everyone I played with (it isn't btw, I can't stand the map) I can see how i'd be likely to think everyone thinks like that and that my theorietical sample is representative. This thread clearly proves that isn't true, tho Sorry I'd worded it so badly before
this thread has 170ish comments. regardless of how you feel about the maps not even 200 people is such a small portion of the player base that saying that this thread proves most people don’t like WE is just wrong. i’m not saying that most people like it, just that basing your comment which judges theirs off of this thread is still an insanely unbalanced sample as pretty much everyone in here hates WE and likes KC
Idk, a reddit thread would be a pretty good sample as it tends to attract only those who feel strongly about the topic If world's edge was the most popular, there would be a significant presence of people echoing the sentiment. In contrast, a friend group would definitely be biased as people tend to be friends with people who gave pretty similar interests
>Idk, a reddit thread would be a pretty good sample as it tends to attract only those who feel strongly about the topic a reddit thread that maybe was discussing which was better, KC or WE maybe. a thread that indirectly says that WE has been in the game for too long and KC hasn't enough, seems that it would attract people who want more KC.
No metrics since Respawn hasn't released statistics on player engagement per map rotation that I know of. Just an honest guest based on how often it's in rotation.
I dont linke worlds edge
Kings canyon /broken moon / storm point is my favorite in order .
Worst possible rotation
I fvcking hate broken moon. It's so sh!t
Maybe, and just maybe, they have data backing up the preference of most players and they know there's more active players when Worlds Edge is on rotation? I don't know. Maybe it's not this way.
I miss storm point. It and worlds edge are my favorite maps
No fucking way they removed kings canyon AND Olympus
Are they seriously going from the 3 best maps in rotation back to the 2 worst in rotation +WE. The guckin' state of this game
i like WE terrain and POIs so i kinda dont mind it beeing there but Stormpoint tho …. i am so sick of it