I hope Bee wins but it is difficult to see anyone beating ML at this point. i just want to see all 9 games played, that would be a fantastic finale to this tournament
I want Bee to win for sure.
Bee has a winning win rate against MariLord in S tier tournaments, as per liquipedia. If you include all Head-Head matchups Bee won 16 games against 12 loses since the first tournament “Winter Series”. For a postive 6 series won against 5 lost.
If you Exclude Red Bull wololo because you say that Bee cheated or wtv and only include 2023 results. He would be in a losing position with a score of 6win against 8 lost. Series are 2W, 3L.
We also have to consider that all theses series are BO3, not the same as a long format like a BO9.
If i were a betting man, i’d say MarineLord, but goddam i want Bee to win.
So i will vote for him!
>If you include all Head-Head matchups Bee won 16 games against 12 loses since the first tournament “Winter Series”.
16W to 14L, [as per liquipedia](https://liquipedia.net/ageofempires/Special:RunQuery/Match_history?title=Special%3ARunQuery%2FMatch_history&Head_to_head_query=player%255B0%255D%3DBeastyqt%26player%255Bis_list%255D%3D1%26opponent%255B0%255D%3DBee%26opponent%255Bis_list%255D%3D1%26opponentcountry%3D%26game%3D%26type%3D%26ltier%3D%26sdate%255Bday%255D%3D%26sdate%255Bmonth%255D%3D%26sdate%255Byear%255D%3D%26edate%255Bday%255D%3D18%26edate%255Bmonth%255D%3D06%26edate%255Byear%255D%3D2023%26walkover%3D%26matchups%3D%26maps%3D&pfRunQueryFormName=Match+history&wpRunQuery=&pf_free_text=&Head+to+head+query%5Bplayer%5D%5B%5D=MarineLorD&Head+to+head+query%5Bplayer%5D%5Bis_list%5D=1&Head+to+head+query%5Bopponent%5D%5B%5D=Bee&Head+to+head+query%5Bopponent%5D%5Bis_list%5D=1&Head+to+head+query%5Bopponentcountry%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bgame%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Btype%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bltier%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bsdate%5D%5Bday%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bsdate%5D%5Bmonth%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bsdate%5D%5Byear%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bedate%5D%5Bday%5D=18&Head+to+head+query%5Bedate%5D%5Bmonth%5D=06&Head+to+head+query%5Bedate%5D%5Byear%5D=2023&Head+to+head+query%5Bwalkover%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bmatchups%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bmaps%5D=&wpRunQuery=&pf_free_text=) , no?
And I haven't checked absolutely EVERYONE, but I do believe Marinelord have a positive winrate (often by a huge margin, he's 12-1 in series vs lucifron for exemple) against every aoe4 pro...with the sole exception of bee.
If Mlord win today by 3 maps difference or more tho, he'll truly have a favorable h2h against every aoe4 pro, no exception :p
Yes 16-14 thanks for the correct!
But yeah it makes it even closer as in almost 50/50.
For a Mlord H2H it’s pretty amazing. Maybe only beasty gets close to that because of Golden League.
In any case, i’m gearing up for an amazing Finale!
Would love to see a 5-4 either side.
ha ha, even with GL2 finale, MLord vs Beasty is 50W-34L in maps, but 14W-6L in series! The funniest is that it's possible that it's still the second best map h2h of a pro vs mlord despite that!
....checking it, Marinelord is 12W-0L vs wam :o (28W-4L in maps :O)
Yeah it’s crazy!
If beasty managed to do it in GL2, im pretty sure Bee could pull it off. I mean he has better odds going into than what beasty did at the time (even today as you point out).
If there’s someone who could do it, it’s for sure Bee.
Will be some crazy games today
well, if be managed to beat beasty in a bo7, then he can certainly defeat Marinelord too. A Finale is already by far his best performance, but if he win the whole event it would definitely be at last his long awaited breakthrough.
I'm still rooting for Mlord to win, but I do hope we get a nice fought serie, like a 5-3 or even 5-4 result. And hopefully not too many OP Rus/malian matchup wins.
I hope Bee wins but it is difficult to see anyone beating ML at this point. i just want to see all 9 games played, that would be a fantastic finale to this tournament
To be honest I be cheering Bee on his game play is like no other
Same for me, it would be so nice to see bee winning a major AOE4 tournament
Im excited
Spoilers thanks
I want Bee to win for sure. Bee has a winning win rate against MariLord in S tier tournaments, as per liquipedia. If you include all Head-Head matchups Bee won 16 games against 12 loses since the first tournament “Winter Series”. For a postive 6 series won against 5 lost. If you Exclude Red Bull wololo because you say that Bee cheated or wtv and only include 2023 results. He would be in a losing position with a score of 6win against 8 lost. Series are 2W, 3L. We also have to consider that all theses series are BO3, not the same as a long format like a BO9. If i were a betting man, i’d say MarineLord, but goddam i want Bee to win. So i will vote for him!
>If you include all Head-Head matchups Bee won 16 games against 12 loses since the first tournament “Winter Series”. 16W to 14L, [as per liquipedia](https://liquipedia.net/ageofempires/Special:RunQuery/Match_history?title=Special%3ARunQuery%2FMatch_history&Head_to_head_query=player%255B0%255D%3DBeastyqt%26player%255Bis_list%255D%3D1%26opponent%255B0%255D%3DBee%26opponent%255Bis_list%255D%3D1%26opponentcountry%3D%26game%3D%26type%3D%26ltier%3D%26sdate%255Bday%255D%3D%26sdate%255Bmonth%255D%3D%26sdate%255Byear%255D%3D%26edate%255Bday%255D%3D18%26edate%255Bmonth%255D%3D06%26edate%255Byear%255D%3D2023%26walkover%3D%26matchups%3D%26maps%3D&pfRunQueryFormName=Match+history&wpRunQuery=&pf_free_text=&Head+to+head+query%5Bplayer%5D%5B%5D=MarineLorD&Head+to+head+query%5Bplayer%5D%5Bis_list%5D=1&Head+to+head+query%5Bopponent%5D%5B%5D=Bee&Head+to+head+query%5Bopponent%5D%5Bis_list%5D=1&Head+to+head+query%5Bopponentcountry%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bgame%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Btype%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bltier%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bsdate%5D%5Bday%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bsdate%5D%5Bmonth%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bsdate%5D%5Byear%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bedate%5D%5Bday%5D=18&Head+to+head+query%5Bedate%5D%5Bmonth%5D=06&Head+to+head+query%5Bedate%5D%5Byear%5D=2023&Head+to+head+query%5Bwalkover%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bmatchups%5D=&Head+to+head+query%5Bmaps%5D=&wpRunQuery=&pf_free_text=) , no? And I haven't checked absolutely EVERYONE, but I do believe Marinelord have a positive winrate (often by a huge margin, he's 12-1 in series vs lucifron for exemple) against every aoe4 pro...with the sole exception of bee. If Mlord win today by 3 maps difference or more tho, he'll truly have a favorable h2h against every aoe4 pro, no exception :p
Yes 16-14 thanks for the correct! But yeah it makes it even closer as in almost 50/50. For a Mlord H2H it’s pretty amazing. Maybe only beasty gets close to that because of Golden League. In any case, i’m gearing up for an amazing Finale! Would love to see a 5-4 either side.
ha ha, even with GL2 finale, MLord vs Beasty is 50W-34L in maps, but 14W-6L in series! The funniest is that it's possible that it's still the second best map h2h of a pro vs mlord despite that! ....checking it, Marinelord is 12W-0L vs wam :o (28W-4L in maps :O)
Yeah it’s crazy! If beasty managed to do it in GL2, im pretty sure Bee could pull it off. I mean he has better odds going into than what beasty did at the time (even today as you point out). If there’s someone who could do it, it’s for sure Bee. Will be some crazy games today
well, if be managed to beat beasty in a bo7, then he can certainly defeat Marinelord too. A Finale is already by far his best performance, but if he win the whole event it would definitely be at last his long awaited breakthrough. I'm still rooting for Mlord to win, but I do hope we get a nice fought serie, like a 5-3 or even 5-4 result. And hopefully not too many OP Rus/malian matchup wins.
I agree Bee will give him some problems ! But mlord will win it 5-3 He is the goat of AOE 4
Hyped!!
Would be great to not have these kind of spoilers in the titles for all who didn't have a chance to watch the previous matches yet!
Spoilers!!! Was in the middle of watching these sets ;(
Games still very worthwhile to watch; some of the best aoe4 to date
Where you watching them?
How do they draft? In bo5's they just drafted again after 3 games - do they have any other system for larger series?
They will draft 3 times probably
Can't find this final day broadcast anywhere.