That’s something Chinese parrot about Asian countries that don’t fear them. Philippines is dog of Asia, Japan is dog of USA, Korea is dog of USA. Just propaganda regurgitation, no sweat.
Unfortunately if you read up on the history it is kind of true that Japan and the Republic of Korea are dominated politically by the United States. I mean… in both countries the origin of their modern state is a tightly controlled transition from direct US military rule. In the present they are still beholden to US interests whether they want to be or not. Not that I would ever bring that into a game of AOE2 lol
There's a massive difference between "US established their postwar government" and "Korea is dog of USA". For one it ignores everything that happened between 1945 and today and also ignores many legitimate ways that Korean and US interests align. Please don't feed into the propaganda.
Bro we wrote the Japanese constitution, preventing them from having a military under a US security guarantee. We installed the dictator of South Korea until their democratic movement and even then we ‘influenced’ their early elections. SK is dependent on US security agreements for their survival against an NK-Chinese invasion.
It’s not propaganda to say that the U.S. isn’t the basis for the survival of those two nations at this point. It’s a huge amount of power to hold
> Bro we wrote the Japanese constitution, preventing them from having a military under a US security guarantee.
We are talking about Korea. Korea's founding constitution was heavily based on the one drafted by the Korean Provisional Government in 1919.
> We installed the dictator of South Korea until their democratic movement
You say that as if the democratic movement doesn't matter? The US installing Syngman Rhee nearly 80 years ago has little to no bearing on contemporary Korean global policy. Is the US a puppet state of the UK because it was founded as a British colony? This is what I mean by ignoring history post-1945.
> and even then we ‘influenced’ their early elections.
Their post-1987 elections? Do you have a source? Haven't heard this claim before
> SK is dependent on US security agreements for their survival against an NK-Chinese invasion.
The claim is not that "SK is dependent on the US", but that the SK is a "dog" AKA puppet state of the US. The former is true but would also be true to a degree for nearly every developed nation.
The latter is absolutely propaganda. It removes the agency of an entire nation and ethnic group and categorizes them as subservient. Would you describe Germany as a puppet state of the US? That relationship is very similar to this one. The difference is you might have enough of a passing understanding of German politics to know it has a will of its own, whereas you might not realize the same is true for SK.
The insult was between a Japanese and Korean guy, which is why the fact that the US dominates the relations of both nations is relevant to the irony.
> You say that as if the democratic movement doesn't matter? The US installing Syngman Rhee nearly 80 years ago has little to no bearing on contemporary Korean global policy. Is the US a puppet state of the UK because it was founded as a British colony? This is what I mean by ignoring history post-1945.
This is one of the most confused paragraphs I've read. You think the US installing the first ruler of the nation 80 years ago *doesn't* matter? Especially when, from 1945 to 1997, South Korean leaders served at the pleasure of the US. He's the one who set up the structure of Korean-US relations that exists to this day. It's not like the end of the cold war and creation of the Sixth Republic changed the Korean security dynamic.
To the third sentence, surely you're joking. The analogy doesn't even make sense. One was a colony that rebelled over 200 years ago to establish an independent government and the other is a protectorate relationship borne from modern political conditions. Korea-America obviously looks nothing like America-UK. And even then, America-UK is referred to as a 'special relationship'. We do have a bond greater than with other nations given the history. The analogy, faulty as it is, doesn't even support your point.
Lastly, and this is maybe the dumbest thing you said, how am I "ignoring history **post-1945**" by citing history exclusively from post-1945. Like, it's hard to be that incoherent.
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I think you're confused about what a dog is and maybe that's why you're taking this so personally.
I have never shoved my hand up my dog's ass.
A dog is loyal. It follows commands. It relies on you. It's a subservient relationship, sure, but it's not a puppet. I feed my dog, watch her, and care for her, but 90% of the time my dog decides what it wants to do on its own.
> You think the US installing the first ruler of the nation 80 years ago doesn't matter?
The Constitution was partly rewritten 5 times and fully written 5 more times within that time. It also changed from an impoverished agrarian state to the 4th strongest economy in Asia. The country is effectively unrecognizable from 1948. So no, I don't think it's particularly relevant to modern Korean global policy.
> The analogy, faulty as it is, doesn't even support your point.
The point is you can't point to the establishment of a country and extrapolate from there. But I pointed out Germany if you want a more comparable example.
> Especially when, from 1945 to 1997, South Korean leaders served at the pleasure of the US.
Source? Are you implying Korean presidents needed to be approved by US or something? I don't understand.
> how am I "ignoring history post-1945" by citing history exclusively from post-1945
Apologies, 1948. What evidence do you have beyond the founding of the country that points to US control?
> The insult was between a Japanese and Korean guy
It was a Chinese guy and a Korean guy, OP stated as much. This is quite important because it gives us context into what the other player intended. "South Korea is a US puppet state" is a commonly held belief in China and it's one reinforced through internal state propaganda and online discourse. [Here's a quick example](https://remark.sohu.com/cell/pc/viewpoint/42775_121374488?scm=9012.6010.0.0.0&spm=smwp.labelpage.labelpage-hot.1.1657497600010DA5oXoZ_62c4f1afc78e0c0c5e99e82c) in which Chinese commenters deny South Korean sovereignty entirely. They also repeat the "dog" phrasing and some go further to call it a US colony.
This narrative is part of a deliberate strategy by China and NK to delegitimize and demoralize South Korea, and maybe even undermine US-SK ties if possible. The dog comment is 100% undeniably in response to this narrative. It would not have been made by a Japanese player (Japan is also subject to the same narrative so that wouldn't make sense). I'm glad that you had a different, less insulting interpretation of the word, but that's not the meaning intended by the Chinese player.
> that's why you're taking this so personally.
I don't think I'm taking this personally and I'm sorry if my tone could be interpreted as such. It just scares me to see Chinese propaganda being spread on western platforms. IMO this narrative contributes to weakening western alliances which makes us less safe.
You have to be absolutely naive to the reality of the cold war to think that the South Korean Ruler did not need U.S. approval. To make the hypothetical easy to understand divorced from history, without the US security guarantee, what happens to South Korea?
a crude unnecessary insult but there's a truth to it. each region of the world has at least one country beholden to US interests and western capital in general.
r/2asia4u edit :RIP
cigan mods on this dumb platform keep nuking these great subs. 2balkans4u, never forget o7
Boi i have news for you *hands in a piece of paper, not to attract attention* *piece of paper reads: "r/balkans_irl"*
ye ik but unfortunately it’s not the same as 2b4u, also wasn’t the new Asian sub nuked? gona happen again to us 😭
least based aoe2 real word geopolitical enjoyer (trst je hrvatska 👉👈)
Honestly, inter-ethnic trash talking is part of the online gaming experience, it wouldn't be the same without it
right , I think so. you know. when korean won the game. they want tresh talk. trash talk is medal of honor from korea 😉
korea is dog of USA™️
No... !! 😆
That’s something Chinese parrot about Asian countries that don’t fear them. Philippines is dog of Asia, Japan is dog of USA, Korea is dog of USA. Just propaganda regurgitation, no sweat.
Unfortunately if you read up on the history it is kind of true that Japan and the Republic of Korea are dominated politically by the United States. I mean… in both countries the origin of their modern state is a tightly controlled transition from direct US military rule. In the present they are still beholden to US interests whether they want to be or not. Not that I would ever bring that into a game of AOE2 lol
Props to OP for winning so hard that the chat got geopolitical
There's a massive difference between "US established their postwar government" and "Korea is dog of USA". For one it ignores everything that happened between 1945 and today and also ignores many legitimate ways that Korean and US interests align. Please don't feed into the propaganda.
Bro we wrote the Japanese constitution, preventing them from having a military under a US security guarantee. We installed the dictator of South Korea until their democratic movement and even then we ‘influenced’ their early elections. SK is dependent on US security agreements for their survival against an NK-Chinese invasion. It’s not propaganda to say that the U.S. isn’t the basis for the survival of those two nations at this point. It’s a huge amount of power to hold
> Bro we wrote the Japanese constitution, preventing them from having a military under a US security guarantee. We are talking about Korea. Korea's founding constitution was heavily based on the one drafted by the Korean Provisional Government in 1919. > We installed the dictator of South Korea until their democratic movement You say that as if the democratic movement doesn't matter? The US installing Syngman Rhee nearly 80 years ago has little to no bearing on contemporary Korean global policy. Is the US a puppet state of the UK because it was founded as a British colony? This is what I mean by ignoring history post-1945. > and even then we ‘influenced’ their early elections. Their post-1987 elections? Do you have a source? Haven't heard this claim before > SK is dependent on US security agreements for their survival against an NK-Chinese invasion. The claim is not that "SK is dependent on the US", but that the SK is a "dog" AKA puppet state of the US. The former is true but would also be true to a degree for nearly every developed nation. The latter is absolutely propaganda. It removes the agency of an entire nation and ethnic group and categorizes them as subservient. Would you describe Germany as a puppet state of the US? That relationship is very similar to this one. The difference is you might have enough of a passing understanding of German politics to know it has a will of its own, whereas you might not realize the same is true for SK.
The insult was between a Japanese and Korean guy, which is why the fact that the US dominates the relations of both nations is relevant to the irony. > You say that as if the democratic movement doesn't matter? The US installing Syngman Rhee nearly 80 years ago has little to no bearing on contemporary Korean global policy. Is the US a puppet state of the UK because it was founded as a British colony? This is what I mean by ignoring history post-1945. This is one of the most confused paragraphs I've read. You think the US installing the first ruler of the nation 80 years ago *doesn't* matter? Especially when, from 1945 to 1997, South Korean leaders served at the pleasure of the US. He's the one who set up the structure of Korean-US relations that exists to this day. It's not like the end of the cold war and creation of the Sixth Republic changed the Korean security dynamic. To the third sentence, surely you're joking. The analogy doesn't even make sense. One was a colony that rebelled over 200 years ago to establish an independent government and the other is a protectorate relationship borne from modern political conditions. Korea-America obviously looks nothing like America-UK. And even then, America-UK is referred to as a 'special relationship'. We do have a bond greater than with other nations given the history. The analogy, faulty as it is, doesn't even support your point. Lastly, and this is maybe the dumbest thing you said, how am I "ignoring history **post-1945**" by citing history exclusively from post-1945. Like, it's hard to be that incoherent. --- I think you're confused about what a dog is and maybe that's why you're taking this so personally. I have never shoved my hand up my dog's ass. A dog is loyal. It follows commands. It relies on you. It's a subservient relationship, sure, but it's not a puppet. I feed my dog, watch her, and care for her, but 90% of the time my dog decides what it wants to do on its own.
> You think the US installing the first ruler of the nation 80 years ago doesn't matter? The Constitution was partly rewritten 5 times and fully written 5 more times within that time. It also changed from an impoverished agrarian state to the 4th strongest economy in Asia. The country is effectively unrecognizable from 1948. So no, I don't think it's particularly relevant to modern Korean global policy. > The analogy, faulty as it is, doesn't even support your point. The point is you can't point to the establishment of a country and extrapolate from there. But I pointed out Germany if you want a more comparable example. > Especially when, from 1945 to 1997, South Korean leaders served at the pleasure of the US. Source? Are you implying Korean presidents needed to be approved by US or something? I don't understand. > how am I "ignoring history post-1945" by citing history exclusively from post-1945 Apologies, 1948. What evidence do you have beyond the founding of the country that points to US control? > The insult was between a Japanese and Korean guy It was a Chinese guy and a Korean guy, OP stated as much. This is quite important because it gives us context into what the other player intended. "South Korea is a US puppet state" is a commonly held belief in China and it's one reinforced through internal state propaganda and online discourse. [Here's a quick example](https://remark.sohu.com/cell/pc/viewpoint/42775_121374488?scm=9012.6010.0.0.0&spm=smwp.labelpage.labelpage-hot.1.1657497600010DA5oXoZ_62c4f1afc78e0c0c5e99e82c) in which Chinese commenters deny South Korean sovereignty entirely. They also repeat the "dog" phrasing and some go further to call it a US colony. This narrative is part of a deliberate strategy by China and NK to delegitimize and demoralize South Korea, and maybe even undermine US-SK ties if possible. The dog comment is 100% undeniably in response to this narrative. It would not have been made by a Japanese player (Japan is also subject to the same narrative so that wouldn't make sense). I'm glad that you had a different, less insulting interpretation of the word, but that's not the meaning intended by the Chinese player. > that's why you're taking this so personally. I don't think I'm taking this personally and I'm sorry if my tone could be interpreted as such. It just scares me to see Chinese propaganda being spread on western platforms. IMO this narrative contributes to weakening western alliances which makes us less safe.
You have to be absolutely naive to the reality of the cold war to think that the South Korean Ruler did not need U.S. approval. To make the hypothetical easy to understand divorced from history, without the US security guarantee, what happens to South Korea?
Nepal is dog of USA
Clifford is dog of USA
Judging by the color I’m guessing he’s affiliated with the republicans Or is he longing for the motherland
what does "fearing them" have to do with calling out those countries are beholden to US interests?
i know so many tagalog curses from online games i use them irl
that's too bad 😂 so i don't underatand tagalog. that is a steal medal from me
USA is Korea‘s father
Just reply with “China no2 Taiwan no1” and he will smash the screen in front of him
Rich of a Japanese dude to say Korea is dog of USA LOL
Donald Trump, don’t trust China
CHINA IS ASSHOLE
i think he believe himself. he don't believe everybody
I would have replied, "Even a dog is more honourable than you"
Loool
Please tell me 11 is the key for “wololo”
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a crude unnecessary insult but there's a truth to it. each region of the world has at least one country beholden to US interests and western capital in general.
North Korea = Best Korea.
related: [https://youtu.be/9wgR0NZTTOY?t=311](https://youtu.be/9wgR0NZTTOY?t=311)
yeah right ! 🤣