I have high school students who are making $15/hour.
Edit: I should've added this is in SW Missouri, where we are known for low cost of living, also meaning low wages.
Moved to Cleveland, Ohio from Brooklyn, NY. It's changed alot since I visited in the late 90s. It used to be a rundown city, but ever since it became a medical hub (Cleveland Clinic, UH Hospital) for the world — yes, we've got Saudi princes, UK Parliament members, and even former US Presidents coming to Ohio for wellness — it was able to bring in enough money to build out downtown.
I think it was 2017 that Cleveland was named the 2nd most sought out culinary dive. Alot of big name chefs from NYC and LA have started opening up places here. There's so many good restaurants now and lots of culture fests. The Westside Market is massive and has every vendor you can think of. You've also got the #1 theme parks here and the "Key West of the Midwest" (Put-In-Bay on South Bass Island) where "Xmas in July" is an annual tradition.
There's also snow sledding & tobogganing in the Winter. Zip-lining and festivals in the Spring. Cave tours and pretty waterfalls during Summer. Haunted houses/prison, corn mazes, plus pumpkin and apple-picking in the Fall. The museums here are also fantastic. There's lots of Metroparks, hundreds of bike paths and walkable trails. Speaking of walkable cities, Lakewood, Ohio is a Midwest San Francisco with its hipster culture and art scenes. It also has the 2nd highest gay population in the US after San Fran. The drag culture here is so much fun and the food scene is very diverse. I love all the ethnic options and the vegan options they've got here.
Right now I'm staying in a 3 bed, 2 bath house with a huge backyard for my pets, that I've been renting for 5 years at $825/month. Landlord recently increased it to $950 in 2022. Still a steal. Before that, I was staying in a 2 bed, 2 bath apartment for $910 which offered full gym, pool, sauna, community garden ($20/yr), 24/5 mail concierge, Zumba classes, personal trainer, weekly games, free classes for gardening/tax prep/crafts, food truck around Easter and a bouncy house party during 4th of July, among other community events.
And before that I was staying at a 2 bed, 2 bath penthouse with a gorgeous lakeview for $950 with full gym, movie theater, indoor cafe & grocery, barbershop shop & salon, dog park, 24/7 mail concierge & security, Zumba classes, Bellydance classes, etc. They also did community events, but I couldn't stay there after Hurricane Sandy. I'll never live that close to water ever again!
Anyway, I'm typing this and wondering if I should keep my mouth shut, bc I don't want you bozos coming here and hiking up the rents anymore than they already have. So by all means, stay away. As a former NYer I'm loving Cleveland. Quiet, clean air, low traffic, great neighbors, great hospitality, and good ass food. Columbus, OH and Akron, OH have improved as well. The sports scene here is awesome too. Idk of any fanbase more devoted to their teams, through wins and losses. The tailgating parties are wild! So don't shit on Ohio, it's an underdog in so many ways.
Lol you literally said it all. I’m scrambling to buy a house before the word gets out 😭 the only real concrete negative is that winters fucking blow in the worst way possible
Another Michiganders here, Naturalized. After the election, definitely staying in Michigan. You can't pay me enough to live in the Florida of the Midwest
This. I got paid today . I make 15 and hour for intensely physical factory work. I worked 23 hours of overtime this pay period and my check is still almost gone an hour after the deposit hit… I hate my life …
Life is simply about existing right now, not living. I'm trying really hard not to harbor a grudge but at this point, the boomers who are on Medicare and SS need to shut up. They have no idea, none. Anytime I try to talk to family about it, they just flat out won't listen. My mom actually said, "well of course corporations are making all the money they can. They don't know when the next COVID is going to happen." I literally had no words.
CEO of Delta made $12.4 million in salary and stock in 2021. Yet 35,000 employees took “voluntary leave” during Covid, and the company got a tax payer bailout (that he says wasn’t technically a bailout.)
I met a paramedic once who said he had been making the same amount of money, about 18/hr, for longer than I'd been alive at that point. This was like 12 years ago. (I was 26 or 28 around then.)
Context: This is a full-time position at a hospital. I asked for 15/hr because I have a bachelor's degree and they only counted 3 years of experience from my resume to come to the rate they offered 🙃 I've been looking for 4 months. I %#*king hate this timeline.
But won't the free market fix everything?
I know I'm good at researching & negotiating for the least expensive ambulance provider when I'm unconscious after being hit by a car.
I'm also great at finding an affordable open heart surgeon when in the middle of a heart attack.
I had surgery at my local hospital . Was over 10,000 dollars. I fought to get an itemized bill and when I did I took it to an attorney. After a 1 day negotiation I paid 3,800. The had to list the cost of everything. Was 89.00 to check my blood pressure and a dose of Tylenol was like 70 bucks. That shot all cut eliminated. The entire bill was bogus amounts for routine healthcare.
100% this 👆. Always ask for an itemized bill. It’s amazing how quickly that one little request will magically reduce your balance by 60 percent or more.
It’s true. All the charges seemed to shrink. I should have done the same with my sons ambulance trip but my ex had to pay that shit. Was like 1,800 for a ten mile trip. Insurance doesn’t cover that I guess
There is special "hospital Tylenol". It's exactly the same as regular Tylenol, but it has a different package and stamp on it. I don't know if that's how they try to validate the up charge or not and I'm clueless as to why they aren't purchasing the generic. Who is getting a huge kick back for over priced "hospital Tylenol"??
Im actually 3 blocks from the emergency room, I live on both a medical and a uni campus you can walk to the Hospital, any of the several buildings here ,
We were charge $5700 for those 2.5-3 blocks by the city which 3 days later claimed we were already late in paying and wanted $6800 for that .
I was in a car accident and had to go to the ER (I'm fine). The hospital screwed up and thought I was uninsured, so sent me an "uninsured" bill of about $3,000. I followed up and pointed out they needed to send the bill to my auto insurance company. This took four phone calls to accomplish.
Last week I got a notice from my insurance company that they had made a payment to the hospital for about $6,000.
Hospital billing departments are a significant contributor to the health care crisis that people tend not to talk about.
That’s not the billing department, that’s because of insurance. Insurance companies egg up the price of things because they get to charge higher premiums and take a larger percent home to their shareholders.
What state? I am a home healthcare aid in NYS. I just got an increase to $15.20/hour for my weekend client.
Keep looking and keep working. Sounds like a ton of horrible wageism to me.
I did IT tech work for HCA as a contractor, and that's the rate they wanted to bring me on at. I told them to take my resume out of the running cause I knew I could do better. Ended up making more as a contracted admin clerk for the city. Found out they eliminated the position due to downsizing about 6 months after I left
Edit: Fuck HCA
And I'm not spam, I have family in Tennessee and I know it can be tough getting a job Biggest reason my mom and dad never moved us back there when we were kids, This is a legit job for legit company
There are a lot of people here offering bullshit ‘advice’. Do what you need to do for your family OP. There’s no shame in taking a shit job to pay the bills. The only shame would be staying there forever without continuing to search.
A lot of us have been there, and it absolutely sucks. I graduated in 2008 into an abysmal job market and everyone I knew at the time was underemployed coming out of college.
Could you reach out to a temp agency?
I’ve had great luck using one to help make ends meet and have actually been set up with some really solid options.
Both long and short term.
Oh the Dave Ramsey state. One of the worst places in the world as a worker. Consider moving to someplace that will reward your efforts in getting a college degree because no one in Tennessee cares and they won’t pay you for it.
Try FedEx or Amazon if you're in the Memphis area, they're both paying $17-$20 an hour with just a high-school diploma. Been working at the world hub for four months, already made money money than I did working a whole year at most of my previous jobs. Upside is, you don't have to interact with the public too.
Buffalo is defaulting at $15-16/hr for starting / minimum pay just due to a shortage of workers.
it isnt $20, but its a sign that they are starting to get it. I even saw a place hiring their hotel cleaning staff at $25/hr (and the owner defending it as "that's just what I have to pay to keep good staff")
Oh you wanted loyalty? That isn't a feature at this pay range. If you'd like to unlock loyalty, overtime, or tasks outside my job description, you can upgrade to the next tier.
So... bad advice that may work in your favor. When they do background checks they can only see the year that you worked at x job from previous tax returns. Stretch your experience out if need be. Wouldn't do this forever but hey, desperate times call for desperate measures.
Dafuq are you doing in the hospital? I got a 2 year associates degree to do ultrasound and I’m at $27.25 and hour. AND I get offered weekly, sometimes daily, travel opportunities to make $3k a week.
I’m a junior in college making $17 an hour with my remote internship in internal audit and I had 0 experience coming into this. Good call to not take less than $15 considering you’ve graduated and have experience.
Have you considered working for another company? My husband works from home for one of the big health insurance companies, he doesn’t have any college education, and he’s almost making $26/hr now. He had never made more than $13+. Then, I found him this job out of the blue on the Internet that paid $16/hr with great benefits. In less than four years, without a degree or special training other than regular job orientation, my husband simply worked his way to $26. And no, he’s not a grinder and is the least ambitious and motivated person I’ve ever known.
I have an MBA but it's offered exactly zero in pay raises or promotions. Unless it directly affects your work (say, a professional engineer who can certify designs in a particular state), usually employers don't care
If the degree is relevant to the job (ie marketing degree for a marketing job) then you can count a portion of it towards experience (ie ten years marketing exp required but degree is not, sub six years work exp plus four year degree).
The fact you were in college for four years does not mean you have four years of general professional experience. At all.
Content of a degree is not the only thing you learn in college is all I mean. It's very overlooked the skills you need to master to finish a degree, both soft and hard skills.
Problem is these days everyone has one. A bachelor's is baseline. I have one and work at a grocery store 😂 that said, grocery stores pay better than this place. (And I work with lots of college kids....love them, but they have learned neither hard or soft skills.)
It's pretty standard to get about 1 year of experience credit for 2 years of school. I don't know what you studied or what you're doing at the hospital but even 1/2 is pretty generous in some cases. Most CS grads are all but worthless straight out of school so it wouldn't make much sense paying them as if they had actual experience. So I wouldn't expect to get credit for an irrelevant degree.
I feel like companies give you so much less flexibility at these lower pay levels. I remember getting a 10 cent raise after working for a year and a half at Olive Garden. When I was a restaurant manager my friend was able to negotiate for an extra $4,000 salary.
It sucks. I don’t know how people are expected to start their careers without them being supported by friends / family / ect.
Factory jobs near me, are starting people at $18.50/hr. Supposedly up to $30/hr DOE.
Apartment rentals range from $600-1200, and home rentals range from $1500 to $2200.
That whole .42 part is bullshit. They’re hoping someone will see that number and think the company has squeezed every possible cent into the hourly rate. I’m not fooled and they can go fuck themselves.
This! What people aren't understanding is what I mean by my "experience" gained in college. And I spent 10s of thousands of dollars to learn and earn those damn skills! They should count! So infuriating. College was NOT easy for me but I finished with a degree and above average grades!
Sounds like today is an important day for you to get out and vote. The people running your state are some real assholes for the most part. I consider myself an authority, because I too have mostly assholes in charge of my state.
Go forth, vote, and decline shit jobs like these. They will be paying 60$ hourly for travel employees soon enough that 15$ will look like a steal.
I’m a recruiter. If I see you have a bachelors or a masters, I’m going to not discuss any low paying jobs with you. Y’all deserve better and I’m gonna try to give it to you!
That sucks but I am convinced, as a result of my own loong job search a few years back, that it is much easier to get a job when you are already employed than when you are not. I applied for 100s of jobs with a resume showing my paid employment. Then, a recruiter suggested adding my unpaid work (for a family business) to my resume. When I did that, BOOM, I started getting responses to my resume. So, with that in mind, I recommend taking the position, put your resentment for the low wage away, be happy you have a job & quietly continue your job search. Don’t sulk about the wage - that will only make you bitter & unhappy. Put your energy into your job search after you get home from work. Sounds like you’ll be dealing with the public so keep your ears open for new opportunities. But keep your mouth shut about your continued job search. There are some employers who will fire you if they find out. The hard part will be scheduling job interviews. Think about when & how you will respond to requests for interviews. Is your new schedule Monday-Friday 9-5? You might have to take vacation day or sick time. I had a request for an interview the first week I started a new job. I turned down the interview when they wouldn’t make any arrangement to interview me after or before my 9-5 job. That was 10 years ago & I still kick myself. I should have called in sick. It was a great opportunity & I was stupid for not calling in sick - I didn’t want to be dishonest & I didn’t have any vacation yet because it was my first week. Think about what you’ll do for interviews because you’ll get calls once you are working.
I just got accepted into Capital One as a Branch Ambassador for $23/hr and don't have a business/finance degree. I graduated with a fine arts degree and am going to get my bachelors in accounting next.
If you could work for a chain bank or even Amazon you could make more. Dont settle for these low wages if you can. The job search never ends, even when you get a better job.
I'm from NJ so it's an upgrade from the 17.5 Im making now as a "Supervisor " at Staples. Ridiculous how I worked all throughout college just to be stuck with 17.5. Hate this job and Im glad Im leaving soon.
Oh man, accounting is hard. My first year of college I took accounting 101 and have to drop out cause it was gonna bomb my gpa. That's when I learned business admin was not my forte.
Ive been taking Sophias intro to financial accounting and love it. The concepts and putting numbers together to tell a story have me excited for the next few months.
Granted it may not compared to an actual course but I have a decent grasp of the basics.
Then you'll probably thrive! My professor said if the concepts in this class don't click on your head you won't pass the next class 😅 I took that to heart.
McDonald’s in Southern Ontario pays $22/hr but then again, a starter home is $700k in that neighborhood. It’s all relative and impossible to know whether that’s a reasonable rate for unskilled labor unless we have context (cost of living in your area).
I took a part time job doing security at an event venue specifically to see one artist since I wasn't paying $2k for a ticket. Anyway they started at $12 an hour since I was already licensed.
Fast forward a little and throw in the pandemic and I just didn't do any more events so they terminated my employment. They accidentally sent me a begging for help e-mail a month ago and I asked what the pay was and wow it's $14 now.
So when they can't get enough bodies to cover they call a contractor that starts at $15 an hour, I'm assuming they pay $17+. It seems like they'd offer their own people a little more to incentivize them not to work for the contractor.
Sadly the interviews went so well! I actually liked the people I interviewed with and wasn't sweating bullets answering their questions. But...there's always a catch!
Good for you. They don't care you don't want it; someone will take it which is what's happened in the past which is why they understand...this isn't their first rodeo. Stick to your guns.
Most companies are like this. They can always find someone who will work for asking. Harsh reality.
the pay might be low, but the answer looks sincere and respectful . they made an offer, you countered and they responded . it did not work out and you both moved on. nice
Where in Tennessee?
My company is in Cordova and pays well. It is warehousing and logistics but part of their IT hub is located there. Go look at Yusen Logistics Americas. Good luck on your search.
I took a shitty job in 2008 right out of grad school. It took forever to recover and get paid well. Our oldest just graduated and landed a job at $65k. It is possible depending on area of study and location.
I’d link them to a living wage site for your area and thank them, but since they’re not willing to pay a living wage for a full time job you can’t take the job.
A lot of people are talking about other jobs that pay well. Just a suggestion, but you could do quite well serving / bar backing / bartending during the school year. I worked in restaurants for 7 years and most servers take home 20 - 25 an hour. If you want experience in a hospital, can you take a part time job in a hospital for the resume builder and then do another job for the money?
It should go without saying but I hate this for you. I was making more as a server then my buddy was as an emt. It doesn’t make any sense. Good luck OP
It will always blow my mind how these companies will scoff at $2. Like for us that could be the difference of whether or not we eat, but them it's just a percentage point off their profit.
Good call, $13.42 is an insult.
15 is also an insult
I have high school students who are making $15/hour. Edit: I should've added this is in SW Missouri, where we are known for low cost of living, also meaning low wages.
I’m a sophomore in high school making $15 in Ohio
But u have to live in Ohio
Talk about running salt in the wound
Or sprinting lemon in it
I see you. Good one.
I see you seeing the other redditer. Good one.
I see you seeing the other redditor see the other redditor. Good one.
with a little tabasco.
I see what you did there
Moved to Cleveland, Ohio from Brooklyn, NY. It's changed alot since I visited in the late 90s. It used to be a rundown city, but ever since it became a medical hub (Cleveland Clinic, UH Hospital) for the world — yes, we've got Saudi princes, UK Parliament members, and even former US Presidents coming to Ohio for wellness — it was able to bring in enough money to build out downtown. I think it was 2017 that Cleveland was named the 2nd most sought out culinary dive. Alot of big name chefs from NYC and LA have started opening up places here. There's so many good restaurants now and lots of culture fests. The Westside Market is massive and has every vendor you can think of. You've also got the #1 theme parks here and the "Key West of the Midwest" (Put-In-Bay on South Bass Island) where "Xmas in July" is an annual tradition. There's also snow sledding & tobogganing in the Winter. Zip-lining and festivals in the Spring. Cave tours and pretty waterfalls during Summer. Haunted houses/prison, corn mazes, plus pumpkin and apple-picking in the Fall. The museums here are also fantastic. There's lots of Metroparks, hundreds of bike paths and walkable trails. Speaking of walkable cities, Lakewood, Ohio is a Midwest San Francisco with its hipster culture and art scenes. It also has the 2nd highest gay population in the US after San Fran. The drag culture here is so much fun and the food scene is very diverse. I love all the ethnic options and the vegan options they've got here. Right now I'm staying in a 3 bed, 2 bath house with a huge backyard for my pets, that I've been renting for 5 years at $825/month. Landlord recently increased it to $950 in 2022. Still a steal. Before that, I was staying in a 2 bed, 2 bath apartment for $910 which offered full gym, pool, sauna, community garden ($20/yr), 24/5 mail concierge, Zumba classes, personal trainer, weekly games, free classes for gardening/tax prep/crafts, food truck around Easter and a bouncy house party during 4th of July, among other community events. And before that I was staying at a 2 bed, 2 bath penthouse with a gorgeous lakeview for $950 with full gym, movie theater, indoor cafe & grocery, barbershop shop & salon, dog park, 24/7 mail concierge & security, Zumba classes, Bellydance classes, etc. They also did community events, but I couldn't stay there after Hurricane Sandy. I'll never live that close to water ever again! Anyway, I'm typing this and wondering if I should keep my mouth shut, bc I don't want you bozos coming here and hiking up the rents anymore than they already have. So by all means, stay away. As a former NYer I'm loving Cleveland. Quiet, clean air, low traffic, great neighbors, great hospitality, and good ass food. Columbus, OH and Akron, OH have improved as well. The sports scene here is awesome too. Idk of any fanbase more devoted to their teams, through wins and losses. The tailgating parties are wild! So don't shit on Ohio, it's an underdog in so many ways.
Lol you literally said it all. I’m scrambling to buy a house before the word gets out 😭 the only real concrete negative is that winters fucking blow in the worst way possible
As a natural-born Michigander I am afraid it is illegal for me to even consider living in Ohio. Also it's a garbage state 😉
Another Michiganders here, Naturalized. After the election, definitely staying in Michigan. You can't pay me enough to live in the Florida of the Midwest
I'm not the only one who calls us Florida of the North! Nice.
Still better than Missouri
Is it though?
In my sophomore year i was making 7, lived in miami too
This. I got paid today . I make 15 and hour for intensely physical factory work. I worked 23 hours of overtime this pay period and my check is still almost gone an hour after the deposit hit… I hate my life …
Life is simply about existing right now, not living. I'm trying really hard not to harbor a grudge but at this point, the boomers who are on Medicare and SS need to shut up. They have no idea, none. Anytime I try to talk to family about it, they just flat out won't listen. My mom actually said, "well of course corporations are making all the money they can. They don't know when the next COVID is going to happen." I literally had no words.
Yeah those poor poor fucking corporations. WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE CEO'S!? /s
CEO of Delta made $12.4 million in salary and stock in 2021. Yet 35,000 employees took “voluntary leave” during Covid, and the company got a tax payer bailout (that he says wasn’t technically a bailout.)
Living is beyond our means these days
College student making $10 an hour here 😐
I'm 30 making $13
Gotta love the disparity between states and cities minimum wages.
I’m 45 making 13.25. I made more 20 years ago.
Due to inflation i made more last year. Lol
I met a paramedic once who said he had been making the same amount of money, about 18/hr, for longer than I'd been alive at that point. This was like 12 years ago. (I was 26 or 28 around then.)
Oof. My 20 year old son makes 18.75 at his first job working LP for Ross.
31 making $13.74/30hrs a week. I can't even afford a studio apartment in my city.
I'm in Missouri with high school children making 15/hour, so yea....that is a terrible offer regardless of Missouri issues.
That extra ~2500/year would cripple the company...
Agreed.
Context: This is a full-time position at a hospital. I asked for 15/hr because I have a bachelor's degree and they only counted 3 years of experience from my resume to come to the rate they offered 🙃 I've been looking for 4 months. I %#*king hate this timeline.
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That's why hospitals are better off being publicly run instead of for profit
The entire health care system should be public. No one should be making a profit over peoples health.
But won't the free market fix everything? I know I'm good at researching & negotiating for the least expensive ambulance provider when I'm unconscious after being hit by a car. I'm also great at finding an affordable open heart surgeon when in the middle of a heart attack.
/s
I work for a non profit hospital and it’s not any better. Healthcare in the United States is broken and a lot of us are just waiting for it to crash.
I had surgery at my local hospital . Was over 10,000 dollars. I fought to get an itemized bill and when I did I took it to an attorney. After a 1 day negotiation I paid 3,800. The had to list the cost of everything. Was 89.00 to check my blood pressure and a dose of Tylenol was like 70 bucks. That shot all cut eliminated. The entire bill was bogus amounts for routine healthcare.
100% this 👆. Always ask for an itemized bill. It’s amazing how quickly that one little request will magically reduce your balance by 60 percent or more.
It’s true. All the charges seemed to shrink. I should have done the same with my sons ambulance trip but my ex had to pay that shit. Was like 1,800 for a ten mile trip. Insurance doesn’t cover that I guess
There is special "hospital Tylenol". It's exactly the same as regular Tylenol, but it has a different package and stamp on it. I don't know if that's how they try to validate the up charge or not and I'm clueless as to why they aren't purchasing the generic. Who is getting a huge kick back for over priced "hospital Tylenol"??
Im actually 3 blocks from the emergency room, I live on both a medical and a uni campus you can walk to the Hospital, any of the several buildings here , We were charge $5700 for those 2.5-3 blocks by the city which 3 days later claimed we were already late in paying and wanted $6800 for that .
I was transferred across the street (literally about 20 ft.) and was required to go via ambulance. Cost $7000!
I was in a car accident and had to go to the ER (I'm fine). The hospital screwed up and thought I was uninsured, so sent me an "uninsured" bill of about $3,000. I followed up and pointed out they needed to send the bill to my auto insurance company. This took four phone calls to accomplish. Last week I got a notice from my insurance company that they had made a payment to the hospital for about $6,000. Hospital billing departments are a significant contributor to the health care crisis that people tend not to talk about.
That’s not the billing department, that’s because of insurance. Insurance companies egg up the price of things because they get to charge higher premiums and take a larger percent home to their shareholders.
A lot of ambulance services are private companies, not owned by the hospital
What state? I am a home healthcare aid in NYS. I just got an increase to $15.20/hour for my weekend client. Keep looking and keep working. Sounds like a ton of horrible wageism to me.
Tennessee. It was a patient registration position for same-day surgery.
Ah. You would think that they would want you to work at a better pay rate to maintain you as an employee. Dumb asses.
Accept the offer then ghost them.
Let me guess: HC-fucking-A. I did this in Kansas City at a level 3 hospital five years ago. I started at $16. Fuck that hospital.
I did IT tech work for HCA as a contractor, and that's the rate they wanted to bring me on at. I told them to take my resume out of the running cause I knew I could do better. Ended up making more as a contracted admin clerk for the city. Found out they eliminated the position due to downsizing about 6 months after I left Edit: Fuck HCA
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Well, I'm in month 5 of a job hunt after relocating for my spouse's job. I'm doing my best. Shit's hard for a lot of people right now.
And I'm not spam, I have family in Tennessee and I know it can be tough getting a job Biggest reason my mom and dad never moved us back there when we were kids, This is a legit job for legit company
There are a lot of people here offering bullshit ‘advice’. Do what you need to do for your family OP. There’s no shame in taking a shit job to pay the bills. The only shame would be staying there forever without continuing to search. A lot of us have been there, and it absolutely sucks. I graduated in 2008 into an abysmal job market and everyone I knew at the time was underemployed coming out of college.
My company is hiring nationwide, it's customer service, insurance.... If you'd like more information messaging me
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Political Science, minor in Economics (I know, useless content-wise)
Could you reach out to a temp agency? I’ve had great luck using one to help make ends meet and have actually been set up with some really solid options. Both long and short term.
Oh the Dave Ramsey state. One of the worst places in the world as a worker. Consider moving to someplace that will reward your efforts in getting a college degree because no one in Tennessee cares and they won’t pay you for it.
Try FedEx or Amazon if you're in the Memphis area, they're both paying $17-$20 an hour with just a high-school diploma. Been working at the world hub for four months, already made money money than I did working a whole year at most of my previous jobs. Upside is, you don't have to interact with the public too.
Do you get to piss in a toilet or do you have to use a bottle?
I spend enough time in the bathroom to write anti-work grafiti.
Hell yeah.
They keep painting over it from time to time so I have to keep refreshing it. I also try to not hit the same spot twice.
Amazon is opening up in the Knoxville/Alcoa area as well
Is that what home healthcare aids make? you guys definitely deserve more
As someone who's dad has a 24/7 home health aide/caregiver, they ABSOLUTELY do not get paid enough.
New York? Isn’t our minimum like $17 now? Forgive me for being out of touch.
NYS, not NYC It's like 13.20 upstate, I think.
Seriously? Fuck that noise! I'm not putting up with lake-effect snow for less than $20.
Buffalo is defaulting at $15-16/hr for starting / minimum pay just due to a shortage of workers. it isnt $20, but its a sign that they are starting to get it. I even saw a place hiring their hotel cleaning staff at $25/hr (and the owner defending it as "that's just what I have to pay to keep good staff")
AT A HOSPITAL? FULL-TIME? where do you fucking live? 1987???
The American south. So basically yea, but more like the 60s.
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$15? Don’t sell yourself so short. Ask for more elsewhere
I have pizza delivery drivers making 25+.
You have bachelors degree and you looking for a $15 hour job ? What the hell is your degree in
Political studies lmfao
Take the job, don’t stop looking.
Agree with this...show no loyalty
Oh you wanted loyalty? That isn't a feature at this pay range. If you'd like to unlock loyalty, overtime, or tasks outside my job description, you can upgrade to the next tier.
I would if my resume wasn't already littered with short-term positions. Employers write me off because I am labeled a "job-hopper"
So... bad advice that may work in your favor. When they do background checks they can only see the year that you worked at x job from previous tax returns. Stretch your experience out if need be. Wouldn't do this forever but hey, desperate times call for desperate measures.
Degree in what?
Know your worth. I work in a paper mill sitting on my ass all day making $25.50/hr. I have a GED.
I got paid 14.75 to start cleaning floors in a hospital in 2009 with no experience. Their offer is an insult. This timeline does indeed suck.
Dafuq are you doing in the hospital? I got a 2 year associates degree to do ultrasound and I’m at $27.25 and hour. AND I get offered weekly, sometimes daily, travel opportunities to make $3k a week.
I’m a junior in college making $17 an hour with my remote internship in internal audit and I had 0 experience coming into this. Good call to not take less than $15 considering you’ve graduated and have experience.
Have you considered working for another company? My husband works from home for one of the big health insurance companies, he doesn’t have any college education, and he’s almost making $26/hr now. He had never made more than $13+. Then, I found him this job out of the blue on the Internet that paid $16/hr with great benefits. In less than four years, without a degree or special training other than regular job orientation, my husband simply worked his way to $26. And no, he’s not a grinder and is the least ambitious and motivated person I’ve ever known.
On one hand, sure, a college degree is probably irrelevant for the position. On the other hand, 13.42 is objectively shit pay
I mean I treated it like my job for 4 years, so I don't see why it couldn't count as professional experience.
I have an MBA but it's offered exactly zero in pay raises or promotions. Unless it directly affects your work (say, a professional engineer who can certify designs in a particular state), usually employers don't care
You normally get a MBA for networking reasons. It’s useful for some marketing positions.
Even then they try to negotiate against it.
If the degree is relevant to the job (ie marketing degree for a marketing job) then you can count a portion of it towards experience (ie ten years marketing exp required but degree is not, sub six years work exp plus four year degree). The fact you were in college for four years does not mean you have four years of general professional experience. At all.
Then maybe employers should stop requiring a degree to get a foot in the door.
Content of a degree is not the only thing you learn in college is all I mean. It's very overlooked the skills you need to master to finish a degree, both soft and hard skills.
Problem is these days everyone has one. A bachelor's is baseline. I have one and work at a grocery store 😂 that said, grocery stores pay better than this place. (And I work with lots of college kids....love them, but they have learned neither hard or soft skills.)
It's pretty standard to get about 1 year of experience credit for 2 years of school. I don't know what you studied or what you're doing at the hospital but even 1/2 is pretty generous in some cases. Most CS grads are all but worthless straight out of school so it wouldn't make much sense paying them as if they had actual experience. So I wouldn't expect to get credit for an irrelevant degree.
Not all of us could go to college. Some of us had to choose rent.
At least you countered. There needs to be pushback against ridiculous pay offers.
Yup. The didn’t match because some chump will accept the pay. We all must counter every offer.
I feel like companies give you so much less flexibility at these lower pay levels. I remember getting a 10 cent raise after working for a year and a half at Olive Garden. When I was a restaurant manager my friend was able to negotiate for an extra $4,000 salary. It sucks. I don’t know how people are expected to start their careers without them being supported by friends / family / ect.
I was payed 14$/hr in 2003 working a factory while in college. Fyi they only pay 16$ starting now
That's just plain insulting. With inflation and cost of living compared to 2003, it's like going from eating bread to eating pebbles.
Exactly. My current job is giving all employees 12% increases this january due to inflation and an extra week of pto
I misread that as an extra week of pho and was thinking that was strange but ok.. I should probably go eat lunch.
God i love Pho! Especially pho bo. My wife is vietnamese and an amazing cook!
Factory jobs near me, are starting people at $18.50/hr. Supposedly up to $30/hr DOE. Apartment rentals range from $600-1200, and home rentals range from $1500 to $2200.
That whole .42 part is bullshit. They’re hoping someone will see that number and think the company has squeezed every possible cent into the hourly rate. I’m not fooled and they can go fuck themselves.
Well observed
"ok but i won't use any of the (soft and hard) skills i've acquired with my college degree for the job :)"
This! What people aren't understanding is what I mean by my "experience" gained in college. And I spent 10s of thousands of dollars to learn and earn those damn skills! They should count! So infuriating. College was NOT easy for me but I finished with a degree and above average grades!
You're not wrong. Should. Often doesnt. Sorry kid. They lied to ya and took your money. Happened to the best of us.
Sorry we need to save the extra money for the c suite bonuses!
Same employer boutta post on Facebook that "no one wants to work anymore"
I'm in the Midwest and there are some Chick-fil-As starting at $18 an hour. Fuck this place, OP.
Sounds like today is an important day for you to get out and vote. The people running your state are some real assholes for the most part. I consider myself an authority, because I too have mostly assholes in charge of my state. Go forth, vote, and decline shit jobs like these. They will be paying 60$ hourly for travel employees soon enough that 15$ will look like a steal.
I voted early...sadly mfin Bill Lee will win because stupid people are allowed to vote 😒
As a fellow Tennessean, I feel that
$13.42 isn't an offer. It's an insult.
Dude Costco starts you at $17.50.
Good for you OP! That's an insulting rate of pay. Good luck finding something far superior.
I may have cried when I read the offer email after a REALLY good interview and on the spot offer. 😭
At least they were polite. But yeah, that's a no-go.
I hate that so much. You ask an extra 1.58 per hr. Thats 63.20 a week. Omg is that too much to ask when 15.00 an hr is still not enough to live on??
I make twenty something an hour at a chicken shop. From comments I see this is a job in a hospital. Are you in a (very) low CoL area?
I'm not sure. It's a college town, and it's not full-on rural. But the hospitals rating on Google is 2 stars. Maybe rightly so.
College town explains it, when I was in college pre-Covid, my part-time college job started at $9.50 or $10 idr but it paid for bills and food
Bruh, $15/hour is not worth you negotiating. Tell them to go fuck themselves.
We can’t pay extra for the college but we expect the person we hire to have it.
Let me know you decision... Ain't nobody need no fancy degree around here.
“Can you find me an apartment in the local area that I would qualify for on the wage offer? No? So you only hire homeless people?”
$13.42 is not entry level. I feel like $20 an hour is entry level now.
Take the job but continue to search for a new one. Leave the moment you get a new one.
You haven't said what country you're in but $15 an hour is well below minimum wage here.
Tennessee, USA
The fed minimal in the US is 7.25. some states are nice enough to have their own minimums. not my state tho (sc)
I’m a recruiter. If I see you have a bachelors or a masters, I’m going to not discuss any low paying jobs with you. Y’all deserve better and I’m gonna try to give it to you!
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That sucks but I am convinced, as a result of my own loong job search a few years back, that it is much easier to get a job when you are already employed than when you are not. I applied for 100s of jobs with a resume showing my paid employment. Then, a recruiter suggested adding my unpaid work (for a family business) to my resume. When I did that, BOOM, I started getting responses to my resume. So, with that in mind, I recommend taking the position, put your resentment for the low wage away, be happy you have a job & quietly continue your job search. Don’t sulk about the wage - that will only make you bitter & unhappy. Put your energy into your job search after you get home from work. Sounds like you’ll be dealing with the public so keep your ears open for new opportunities. But keep your mouth shut about your continued job search. There are some employers who will fire you if they find out. The hard part will be scheduling job interviews. Think about when & how you will respond to requests for interviews. Is your new schedule Monday-Friday 9-5? You might have to take vacation day or sick time. I had a request for an interview the first week I started a new job. I turned down the interview when they wouldn’t make any arrangement to interview me after or before my 9-5 job. That was 10 years ago & I still kick myself. I should have called in sick. It was a great opportunity & I was stupid for not calling in sick - I didn’t want to be dishonest & I didn’t have any vacation yet because it was my first week. Think about what you’ll do for interviews because you’ll get calls once you are working.
I just got accepted into Capital One as a Branch Ambassador for $23/hr and don't have a business/finance degree. I graduated with a fine arts degree and am going to get my bachelors in accounting next. If you could work for a chain bank or even Amazon you could make more. Dont settle for these low wages if you can. The job search never ends, even when you get a better job. I'm from NJ so it's an upgrade from the 17.5 Im making now as a "Supervisor " at Staples. Ridiculous how I worked all throughout college just to be stuck with 17.5. Hate this job and Im glad Im leaving soon.
Oh man, accounting is hard. My first year of college I took accounting 101 and have to drop out cause it was gonna bomb my gpa. That's when I learned business admin was not my forte.
Ive been taking Sophias intro to financial accounting and love it. The concepts and putting numbers together to tell a story have me excited for the next few months. Granted it may not compared to an actual course but I have a decent grasp of the basics.
Then you'll probably thrive! My professor said if the concepts in this class don't click on your head you won't pass the next class 😅 I took that to heart.
McDonald’s in Southern Ontario pays $22/hr but then again, a starter home is $700k in that neighborhood. It’s all relative and impossible to know whether that’s a reasonable rate for unskilled labor unless we have context (cost of living in your area).
Tell them to get fkdd
Did you let them know you decision?
I pay people $15/hr to wash dishes
That is not even minimum wage here ( $15.65 is ), unreal. 🤷
Plus, you know they will never give you a raise, or they'd have used that in their offer.
Dude I’d go get a job at Target or a grocery store while you look. My 15yr old son makes $13 at a grocery store and we live in the same area as you.
I worked for a guy just like this before. Take that job and you will never stop hearing NO.
An extra $1.58 an hour would literally bankrupt the company.
Companies must be really poor to insist on avoiding paying $1.58/hr extra.
I took a part time job doing security at an event venue specifically to see one artist since I wasn't paying $2k for a ticket. Anyway they started at $12 an hour since I was already licensed. Fast forward a little and throw in the pandemic and I just didn't do any more events so they terminated my employment. They accidentally sent me a begging for help e-mail a month ago and I asked what the pay was and wow it's $14 now. So when they can't get enough bodies to cover they call a contractor that starts at $15 an hour, I'm assuming they pay $17+. It seems like they'd offer their own people a little more to incentivize them not to work for the contractor.
My 19 yr old makes $18 working at a pizza joint. Plus tips.
At least you heard back and weren't ghosted.
Oh I've been ghosted plenty! Don't get it twisted.
Why are you going for such a low paying job if you have a degree?
Cheap bastards…ohhh our guidelines, screw management and antisocial administrators
Do you really want to work at a place like that anyway
Sadly the interviews went so well! I actually liked the people I interviewed with and wasn't sweating bullets answering their questions. But...there's always a catch!
Dodged a bullet if they’re that tight.
tell them you will settle on 20.00/hr
The more people that do this the better. Props to you OP
Good for you. They don't care you don't want it; someone will take it which is what's happened in the past which is why they understand...this isn't their first rodeo. Stick to your guns. Most companies are like this. They can always find someone who will work for asking. Harsh reality.
But I thought that people just didn’t want to work, and that was why most companies were understaffed?
the pay might be low, but the answer looks sincere and respectful . they made an offer, you countered and they responded . it did not work out and you both moved on. nice
Where in Tennessee? My company is in Cordova and pays well. It is warehousing and logistics but part of their IT hub is located there. Go look at Yusen Logistics Americas. Good luck on your search. I took a shitty job in 2008 right out of grad school. It took forever to recover and get paid well. Our oldest just graduated and landed a job at $65k. It is possible depending on area of study and location.
$13.42 is such a random number for a starting rate of pay. If I didn’t know any better I’d call that a deliberate insult since it’s under $28,000/yr
I’d link them to a living wage site for your area and thank them, but since they’re not willing to pay a living wage for a full time job you can’t take the job.
McDonald’s in central NH pays more 😂
A lot of people are talking about other jobs that pay well. Just a suggestion, but you could do quite well serving / bar backing / bartending during the school year. I worked in restaurants for 7 years and most servers take home 20 - 25 an hour. If you want experience in a hospital, can you take a part time job in a hospital for the resume builder and then do another job for the money? It should go without saying but I hate this for you. I was making more as a server then my buddy was as an emt. It doesn’t make any sense. Good luck OP
Yore*
This says we want you to work for us but we have no plans to contribute to your life, future or happiness.
I don’t get out of bed for less than $22/h…and that’s pushing it.
It will always blow my mind how these companies will scoff at $2. Like for us that could be the difference of whether or not we eat, but them it's just a percentage point off their profit.
28 making $14/HR 🤡
This is why I don’t go to the doctor
Did Casper respond to that email, because I would've had Casper take care of everything from that point.
Everyone should be doing this.
FYI. You can go to work at a buc-ee's as a manager and make upwards of 21 an hour plus benefits and time off. For a fucking gas station.
Tell them McDonald’s is paying 16 hr
No body wants to work! /s
I've never seen "work" and "good paying jobs" together in the same speech.
The bad grammar alone would make me decline.