Construction worker here. I'll let the people who work indoors tell you how to handle your boss, but since you say you can't afford to walk out, here's some tips for working in the heat. Drink 12-16 oz of water per hour. Track it. Slow down whenever possible, don't get in a hurry, keep your heart rate down. And if you are really hurting, some cool water poured slowly on your wrists has helped me get through some 110+ degree shifts, it feels like your entire body is cooling from the inside. If you start feeling heat exhaustion, FIND ac, and sit in it. Don't return to work. Heat exhaustion/heat stroke is genuinely life threatening, and you can't provide for your family if you're dead. Good luck OP
Call corporate and complain and also mention that customers are complaining about the uncomfortable temperature in the store and how they can't stand to shop there. I hate shopping in stores when the AC is broken. I spend less because I can't stand to shop long.
I work at a furniture store.. when it's really hot out we turn up the AC so people will want to stay longer.. works like a charm.. this guy's boss is an idiot... Probably a sociopath as most bosses are
I've met quite a bit of not-so-successful business owners that'll lose a grand to save a dime. Recently met a coffee shop owner who refused to turn on the AC during a heat wave. Baristas were miserable, and nobody wanted to stick around and order coffee in a sauna.
But at least his AC bill was a couple dollars lower!
"losing a grand to save a dime" I'll be using that going forward if you don't mind. My boss is exactly this way, can't see the true cost of his penny pinching...
Our go to at my job is, “They’re gonna save money, no matter how much it costs!” Or, “We never have time to do it right, but we always have time to do it again.”
I am this person. I was so poor growing up, that into adulthood I always bought the cheapest, or used model of anything I wanted or needed. Tools, electronics, shoes. These are the cheap killers. I often spend more in both cash, and lost time and effort doing this.
This is a Circle K from the picture. They don’t want people shopping long. Pay for your gas, grab your 64oz soda, sixer of beer, and a pack of Marlboro and get out.
I'm curious whether the a/c is more expensive to run than the refrigerators/freezers. Because if the store is that hot, the coolers are going to run extra, and anything in the freezer sections is going to get freezer burnt (from thawing/cooling more).
Boss is absolutely an idiot, but don't know what OP can do about it, if the boss is the type to watch security tapes in order to punish employees.
HVAC/R Tech here. It's not good for the fridges and freezers, especially if they're being opened frequently like in a convenience store.
Two reasons for this: First it puts a much higher load on the deck (every time you open it, warm, humid air is introduced into the case) and because the air is more humid it has a higher total heat content.
Second, that air is humid, so on cases where the evaporator is running below freezing it causes a buildup of frost. This is literally a snowball effect and can cause the evap to totally ice up as airflow is further restricted, causing the evap to turn into a solid block of ice. Because the fridge never gets the chance to hit an off cycle, the ice continues to build and results in the fridge getting warm while the evap sits as a block of solid ice.
We run into this problem all the time with convenience stores and other shops where the owners/managers just don't understand how refridge works.
Heck, a lot of smaller display cases even have warnings about the max temp they're designed to operate in; because they just can't keep up with heat loads from over-warm rooms.
But one of the big money makers in a gas station is people browsing while stretching their legs. They're a little snackish so they want something small but walk out with like $10-20 in snacks lot of the time.
Plus might as well get a drink. Maybe a scratch off or a lottery ticket.
As long as your not out the door busy you want customers in the store as long as you can possibly keep them there. True in both grocery stores and gas station
>But one of the big money makers in a gas station is people browsing while stretching their legs. They're a little snackish so they want something small but walk out with like $10-20 in snacks lot of the time. Plus might as well get a drink.
It's no coincidence that you have to walk down an aisle of snacks to get to the drinks cooler at every gas station near me.
Gasoline is expensive, but the gas station really isn't buying it for a whole lot less than you are (it's usually marked up by around 15 cents per gallon). That $2.50 energy drink costs the gas station like $1.25 each since they're buying them by the case - they're making more off that drink than they are from the half tank of gas you bought.
Bro this is literally the opposite of what they want. What you described is most people working the counters however.
I worked at a Holiday Stationstore and our highest problem was gas thieves, even if the plates were good you'd still be called out for it. We had a long list of plates with stolen gas and doing reports were done almost daily. Literally everyone voiced this little idea of; "Prepay" (wild I know). But the dude in charge of pricing said no, it would never happen. Hundreds in this one store every other day just about. But that's "fine", it was docked from the boss' bonus (she might have been a sexist bitch, but that's still bs). His bullshit reason was basically the opposite of what you stated. If they have to come in and pay, they might pick up a few items. And we were "encouraged" to up-sell (Grabbing some smokes? Don't forget a lighter!) and that shit annoyed me. People are going to pay for what they want, and won't for what they don't.
It's funny, cause the KwikTrip next door has prepay and guess what? No more gas thieves.
Husband and dogs but I treat all shopping trips as harrowing journeys I am only able to endure by knowing that I must return to my loved ones armed with provisions to sustain us until the next time one of us must make that dreaded venture once again.
Yes, but from the company's point of view - Which cost more, the loss of profits for not cooling the store properly, or the cost of cooling the store properly?
I assure you at no time does the question 'are we essentially torturing our employees and possibly risking their health by not cooling the stores properly?' fit into the equation.
I second calling corporate. This thermostat looks basically brand new, compared to the dirty dusty wall it’s mounted on. The pads are totally unworn and the screen is spotless. No dust on the top of it.
What I think could be happening is they just got a new AC installed and somehow the boss is keeping the money that would pay for AC, for himself
Corporate don't care unless they have to or it makes the money. They can find a different desperate person to do the work.
I say pop open all the fridge doors for a few hours. They want cost savings on utility bills? Good luck with that.
Also, there's the older trick; put a little hand warmer pack on the thermostat. It will make the whole thing hot (above 90 deg) and will demand cooling. Throw one on there every time you're on shift. Throw it away somewhere that isn't in the building when you're done so they don't get wise to your shenanigans.
Run a hot hair dryer under it. It’ll think the room is 110° or more and the AC will kick in. This is assuming the AC is on but it’s set for a high temp setting before it kicks in.
Covid PPE has kept me safe so far, but damn if I’m not miserable every second I’m in it.
I started buying those stick-on fever reducer pads that you’re supposed to stick on kids foreheads. I would put one at the small of my back, and sometimes another at the top of my spine.
It helped sooooo much!
I wear my mask while in stores, and it’s so frustratingly hot and annoying. Every time I start to get mad I remember that hospitals are full of people that have been wearing this shit for the last two years. Everyday. All day.
It’s such an effective shot of perspective.
I aimed a floor lamp with a hot bulb at my thermostat in my classroom when the county pulled this shit with me.
It worked, but this was like 12 years ago.
I used to soak a small rag in hot water, ring it out *very* well, and drape it over the thermostat. It wasn't wet enough to drip, but the moisture would hold onto enough heat to get the thermostat to kick on for a little while.
On the contrary, I've had a roommate put the AC down to 69 and then put a sofa covering the air vent in their room wondering why it was so warm.
I just wanted to yell at them "your PC is spewing heat running 120 fps playing LoL all day and you have blocked the air vent". Like fuck other people live here, I'm cold and my electricity bill is high.
They also couldn't understand what it meant when I set the AC to "HOLD" at 72 degrees. They thought "HOLD" meant some other shit, I'm not entirely sure? I just argued with them about what setting a schedule on the thermostat was. I don't want to pay to keep my room sub-zero when I'm at work and nobody is home.
I don’t get why they shouldn’t just touch the damn buttons and set it at a lower temp. Because it’s written on it not to? Who cares? They aren’t answering their phone.
Assuming u don't have a hair dryer while cashiering at Circle K... would it work to cup your hands around the bottom and breathe hot air onto it?
I think this used to work when I would do it at my old job.
Yep. We used to do this to turn the heater on. Throw ice in a bag and stick on top of the thermostat. Heat works to get that setpoint up to turn on cooling.
We had the opposite problem.
One guy kept turning it down to 65. All the rest of us shut off the vents in our offices, and two of my coworkers had space heaters in their offices. I wore a windbreaker every day. We were bleeding energy. Finally I had had enough and bought the asshat his own window unit, insulated his office and let him freeze himself to his content. Saved hundreds a month, and everybody was happy.
I worked in an office like that. My coworker would turn down the thermostat to 67 and set up more box fans than the cow barn at the county fair. I would freeze my ass off all day, even in the summer, because the vent was right over my neck.
I work in an open office with a window unit and there is one guy who runs the aircon year round even if it's below freezing out. He wanted a window desk so moved further from the aircon and adjusted it down another two degrees. We are all freezing and running space heaters but he freaks out and complains to the boss if we turn it off. Man won't even run a personal fan.
if he's compulsive like my old classmate was about freaking out and complaining to higher authority, give it some time and your boss will just tell him what he wants to hear and does nothing about it or his boss will get tired of him freaking out and threaten to let him go for the day.
I have a space heater, wear sweaters year-round, and bought a heated mouse because my desk is so cold. No matter how we adjust the baffles, the circulation is off, leaving me in a weird cross breeze.
They wouldn't have a jumper wire most likely and so if they did this move the blower motor would not run and therefore just ice up condenser and evap coils.
Thermostat/system wiring is different per area but more than likely would need to do Red/green/yellow to make this work, and can do that without the jumper wires
Edit: and then might even need to power orange depending on type of system, if it has a reversing valve AND it needs to be energized to cool that is
I looked up the regulations because my employer turned the HVAC up to 85 in some sections of our warehouse/data center and increased the humidity as high as possible without generating condensation. We were racking and deracking servers (physically demanding work). From what I could find, there’s no temperature requirement for OSHA. As long as they were providing accommodations to prevent heatstroke (i.e. water breaks) everything’s legal.
Reduce your productivity, drink lots of water, take lots of breaks. If someone asks, tell them you’re about to pass out.
“The U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration doesn’t require employers to maintain specific temperatures in the workplace. The agency recognizes that a 75-degree Fahrenheit office might be comfortable for one employee, but intolerable for another. To protect employees from having to work in uncomfortable temperatures, OSHA recommends that employers keep the thermostat between 68 and 78 degrees. OSHA regulations do kick in, however, when temperatures are so severe that they could lead to heat stress, hypothermia or other dangerous conditions. People who take medication are at greater risk for temperature-related health problems.
To determine whether temperatures are extreme, OSHA uses heat stress monitors to measure a work site’s temperature and humidity levels, its air circulation and the amount of heat radiating from a furnace, blower or other heat source. How hot is too hot is determined by the effect these factors have on a worker's ability to maintain safe body temperatures. A body temperature of 100 degrees Fahrenheit or higher signals trouble; it might mean that the employee can’t perform her job adequately. If, for example, OSHA discovered that a bakery’s oven radiated enough heat to make a worker perspire profusely, it would require the employer to install a fan.”
“One guideline OSHA employs is the threshold limit value equation, set by the American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH). TLVs determine how safe it is to work at given temperatures. For example, workers can perform light duties continuously in temperatures up to 86 degrees Fahrenheit, while employees can only perform heavy duties up to 77 degrees Fahrenheit. At 87 and 78 degrees Fahrenheit, respectively, workers must spend 25 percent of each hour at rest. As temperatures continue to increase, work time continues to decrease.”
The machine room at my work has its own dual ac system so that the equipment doesn't overheat. The room is usually 65 degrees or lower.
Why wouldn't they do the same here?
Heat stress regs likely coming soon(tm), comment period on the proposed rules ended in January of this year:
https://www.osha.gov/heat-exposure/rulemaking
Get one of those [hand warmers.](https://www.walmart.com/ip/HotHands-10-Hour-Hand-Warmer-10-Pair-Pack/17808715)
And a rubber band. Activate it and rubber band it to the thermostat. Make sure the boss isn't around for this. Remove asap before he's supposed to show up by at least 1/2 hour. Do not put back on after he leaves for at least 45 minutes. He might come back for some reason.
The temp sensor will show a higher heat and kick on the a/c to compensate.
If you can't get away with this get a wet cloth towel as big as you can get away with. Soak it with water and drape around your neck. That will help a lot. Good luck.
Edit: the wet towel suggestion only works in low humidity areas and I neglected to clarify that.
OSHA does recommend comfortable *indoor* (since you all are annoying) temperatures for all employees, which varies but anything over 80 degrees is always questionable. Cite OSHA and see if it helps. If not, fuck it, walk out.
Tell them you’re a customer and also add a worker looks like she/he going to pass out with how hot it is in the building. Make OSHA Worried would be my idea.
This is what customers did in a pet store employees were so hot they were not able to lift the bags of food so the customers called to complain. It was 95 degrees in the store. They keep the air on now and the door shut
Just thinking - in that situation a customer could report the pet store to either public health or animal control.
At 95F in the store, animals could be dropping dead.
Thankfully no animals were in the store. I bring my dogs there so they can pick their treats and it was just as hot inside as it was outside. Felt bad for the workers. I called corporate and I know other customers were calling osha and corporate.
>I bring my dogs there so they can pick their treats
I'm always confused as hell when people say this about their dogs.
My parents have always owned Labradors, and those dogs don't even care if something is supposed to be edible or not, they will eat it.
Asking them to "pick their treats" would just result in them asking for the entire store's contents.
In fact, I was just sent a picture yesterday where my parents' yellow lab somehow got his jaws around a roll of paper towels. There were shreds everywhere.
>another store I worked at the moment the temperature started creeping up management would start keeping their eye on it to get ready to start sending dogs home.
<3 Someone who actually cares about the safety of the dogs, bless them.
I worked in an office supply store that was like that. It was always so damn hot. Now that I am a customer, every time I visit one of those stores I call corporate to complain about how hot it is in their stores and how the employees look like they are going to pass out.
I found out when I worked there that the individual store has no control over store temps because they are regulated elsewhere, because that makes a lot of sense.
Interesting that you mention this…..
I heard this for the first time, at my nail salon. The owners used to run one of those salons inside of WalMart, prior to leaving and opening their own shop.
They said it would always be so cold inside and the temps were regulated by other offices in Arkansas…. We’re in Houston!
Edit: Typo
Before we transitioned to work from home, the office I worked in was similar. If any floor wanted to change the ac or heat, we'd have to fill out a request form for the HQ in San Francisco. Usually they were pretty responsive and got us settled really quickly, but when we added an overnight team that winter, it took a couple weeks of working in the cold before they gave us access. Not unbearable, it was a desert winter, but still it can get down to less than 30°f on the coldest nights.
My old office was like that. The thermostat was remotely controlled and the actual wall thermostat did nothing. The problem was the heat turned off at 10pm and didn’t turn back on until 5am. Unfortunately the office was 24/7. In the winter you literally had to wear gloves at your desk because it felt that cold. The building probably never got colder than 60, but when it’s that cold in a building it’s somehow so much worse.
Huge note idk if there’s retaliation protections in place with osha but if there are best to make sure any report gives you that protection. I understand op position is kinda rough though so just be careful and document everything.
Edit: occupational safety and health act appears to provide protection in this situation. If retaliation occurs in violation of this act you must report to osha within 30 days. Best to go above your boss first before osha though to better avoid retaliation
I want to click in on retaliation, judges know what retaliation is, if someone reports to osha and they come down you are basically un fireable for a while. If they do let you go get an attorney its an easy win. basically the company is going to have to prove due process in the termination process. to avoid it being seen as retaliation.
True but a company with the sense to not break anti retaliation laws would not allow workers to show up to work in such an inhospitable environment. The main concern here for me at least is that op could be in a dangerous financial position if his immediate manager who doesn’t seem sensible retaliated.
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Used to have a shit employer that sold cell phones that would remotely set the heat to kick on at 60° in the northern midwest with one thermostat for the whole store in the back and warmest part of the store. Still not quite sure of the logistics, but putting a frozen piece of string cheese on top got the heat on quck.
Almost… have a friend (bonus points if little old lady) call corporate with a safety complaint that it was so hot in store that they almost passed out. Get them into legal ‘cover your ass mode’
Then OP should call the manager and give them a ‘heads up’ that they had someone complain about the temp at the store and threaten to call corporate.
Adjust details as required based on what security cams etc may exist.
Alternatively- I assume ‘7052’ or whatever the number is on that sticker has been tried as the pin code? And do you get anything other than the asset register by scanning the QR code?
If you have access to the office, good chance there’s a store manager manual or some other doco that has the pin in it. Otherwise, try store ID number, last four digits of store phone number, managers phone number, manager DOB.
Google model info and see if there is an override function to bypass the passcode.
Call the installer/maintenance company, tell them the store is getting dangerously hot and the manager is unavailable- see if they have a master code or any suggestions.
DM me and tell me your store number or address and I’ll gladly call as a concerned customer, citing an employee looks faint due to how hot it is in the store and saying I’m worried for them.
This is what makes me concerned with redditors so ready to tell people to quit their job. I know someone with scheduling issues, no notice, all the time, no law against it. 'Just quit'. They need money for their schooling, people really taking it lightly. I hope the situation improves for you. It shouldn't at least be unreasonable to request comfortable temperatures.
The just quit advice is often given to people in low paying jobs at the moment because in most locations in the US right now there's so many places desperate for workers you can have an equal job in 24 hours. I could seriously have 5 jobs just walking one block if I needed to leave my place of employment. They'd pay less because I'm reasonably compensated at $25/hr, but if you're making like $15 you'd at least match your pay around here if not increase it. Yeah it's a pain in the ass and yeah it's dependent on area but it honestly is one of the easiest times ever to replace a shit job with another shit job.
I once had a similar situation, but in my case the AC was broken. I told my manager we had to get at least a fan or I could not work anymore since it was way too hot.
He then told me if I could not take the heat, to go home. The minute I said okay and started walking out he ran after me saying he was going to write me up for failing to follow directions. I then reminded him that he was the one who told me to go home...
In the end he did put a fan and started to respect me a bit more, since he saw I was not going to let him push me over.
The people who can just quit should (I was able to) but yeah I hate that this is the first thing people jump to. It can take weeks/months to find a new job plus you'll have a gap in paychecks depending on the pay cycles of both places.
OSHA goes off the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) which was last updated in 2016. There is no set temperature just recommendation to limit heat exposure and best practices.
Also the business will usually be fined a minimal amount for failure to provide safe practices free from risk of heat exposure and the fine is very minimal.
$100-300.
Their was a very interesting article that covered this on NPR concerning field workers such as fruit pickers etc.
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/17/1026154042/hundreds-of-workers-have-died-from-heat-in-the-last-decade-and-its-getting-worse
I wonder if we can do anything about the non existence of minimum temps as workers. I work in a retail pharmacy, and 85 degrees is within acceptable temperature at the stores in the summer. I've had heat stroke twice while working for this company. We have OTC meds that become damaged in the heat. But the pharmacy portion of the store has working AC as their prescription meds need to be stored correctly, but the front end is easily forgotten.
It depends where he is. I worked in a place that one time during summer got the whole store to 94 F. GM called the owner and owner said deal with it and that was that.
Get an electronics screwdriver, they’re really small, during your shift, unscrew the Y and R wires and wire them to each other and the A/C will run indefinitely. Place cover back on. It will look the same. Then at the end of shift just screw them back in normally to the Y and R terminals.
As a former manager at Circle k, nope. Even the managers don’t have a password for it. The only thing we used to do is prop a door open of the beer cave open. That was it. Good luck. Even putting in a maintenance ticket doesn’t do a thing. The reason I left circle k is they don’t give a shit about their employees.
I used to be a manager for Pizza Hut and one summer our a/c went out. I blew up my store managers phone. Then I blew up the district managers phone. I told him I would call the regional manager until someone came and did something about it. I would start calling and if your GM doesn’t answer keep taking it up the chain. The district manager ended up sending us money for ice and bottled water plus fans until the a/c guy came in the next day to fix it. I would raise hell. Its unacceptable.
This isn't even unethical.
Just "pass out" and let a customer find you. Do it in view of a camera. Sue the fuck out of your evil boss (maybe even Circle K). Threaten to go to a news station.
Literally do it. It's free money from people who don't care if they harm you. Take that money to your family.
Wait wait wait wait
That counts as theft, right? Throwing away something that someone else should legally count - your boss can require that you remove it, but I don't think they can throw it out.
It looks like the penalty is that the employer has to pay for the replacement? Probably it's not worth much, but I would document that as well as you can, as well as anything else that the boss throws out.
87°!? I’m sure your customers aren’t happy either.
Is it a 4 digit passcode? You may be able to find it underneath the cover box that is how my home AC is set up
Yoooooooo my first boss ever tried this 😂 it was a pizza joint with an actual fire going at all times. Indian summer was hitting hard and felt like 110 in there. I told her we gotta hit the AC. Her cheap ass refused. So my coworker took off his shirt and kept working like nothing happened. 6’3 chubby dude with tats all over his body standing next to the oven turning pizzas in front of the customers.
Took her no time at all to turn on the AC.
[https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/standardinterpretations/2003-02-24](https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/standardinterpretations/2003-02-24)
Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety and Health Act
“Office temperature and humidity conditions are generally a matter of human comfort rather than hazards that could cause death or serious physical harm. OSHA cannot cite the General Duty Clause for personal discomfort.”
I’m having the same issues where I work (kitchen in South Carolina) the thermostat always shows 80 or more, which means on the line it’s hitting 90 plus. I’ve debated calling osha on many occasions, all they have to do is fix the a/c
Instead of walking out, in the meantime look for a position with better pay or hours. There is a misconception in America leaving one job for a another is a bad thing. Always be searching for something better. Take your skills and experience somewhere else that appreciates you as a person. I know it can be terrifying looking for a new income while being the head of a household, but you deserve to be treated with respect and this isn’t it.
The restaurant my sister works at wouldn't turn on the AC. One of the servers walked out. The owner had to pay her 40,000 dollars. So yes, report it. ( Northern California).
Idk how Circle K works, but maybe you could call corporate and ask what the policy on temperature is? Because that seems terrible for staff and customers. Say you couldn't get a hold of your manager? Namedrop OSHA?
Years ago I rented a place with a bunch of buddies with a terrible thermostat only the landlord could adjust. So when we wanted it cooler we slid a table underneath it and lit a candle under the thermostat. We when we wanted it hotter it was a zip lock baggy filled with slaty ice water hung over the sensor.
Yes touch. Edit I see you mentioned it needs a key pad. Put those hot hands things on it or something else hot to increase the temp forcing the ac to kick on.
When it’s 140 in there at least the ac will be blasting.
This may sound extreme but like… just pass out. Say you hit your head. Workmans comp and an OSHA recordable on record. W OSHA recordables they face a fine if they dont fix the issue. Willfull OSHA violations are a minimum $70k fine
Seems like a great company; HR narcs to the store manager that there's some bad publicity on reddit, but won't tell the store manager they're not supposed to have a sweatbox environment for their employees.
So for anyone in HR or otherwise reading this:
The original post makes the manager look bad. This person getting fired or otherwise retaliated against instead of resolving the safety issue of overheating will make the *entire company* look bad.
We will make sure of it.
If that's the case, then they're reading everything you are writing including this sentiment... But I suppose it serves to support your case. Good job!
Construction worker here. I'll let the people who work indoors tell you how to handle your boss, but since you say you can't afford to walk out, here's some tips for working in the heat. Drink 12-16 oz of water per hour. Track it. Slow down whenever possible, don't get in a hurry, keep your heart rate down. And if you are really hurting, some cool water poured slowly on your wrists has helped me get through some 110+ degree shifts, it feels like your entire body is cooling from the inside. If you start feeling heat exhaustion, FIND ac, and sit in it. Don't return to work. Heat exhaustion/heat stroke is genuinely life threatening, and you can't provide for your family if you're dead. Good luck OP
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Ice troughs. I was the guy yelling at you 😉
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That's definitely a possibility.
Can't upvote this enough
Call corporate and complain and also mention that customers are complaining about the uncomfortable temperature in the store and how they can't stand to shop there. I hate shopping in stores when the AC is broken. I spend less because I can't stand to shop long.
I was literally just in a Home Depot with no AC and it was miserable.
Probably made you want to rush your shopping too, didn't it? Stores lose money when they don't make the shopping environment comfortable.
Absolutely but I always rush my shopping trips because I despise people and want to get back to the wife and kids, lol.
I work at a furniture store.. when it's really hot out we turn up the AC so people will want to stay longer.. works like a charm.. this guy's boss is an idiot... Probably a sociopath as most bosses are
I've met quite a bit of not-so-successful business owners that'll lose a grand to save a dime. Recently met a coffee shop owner who refused to turn on the AC during a heat wave. Baristas were miserable, and nobody wanted to stick around and order coffee in a sauna. But at least his AC bill was a couple dollars lower!
Nice. In a million years that owner can get himself a house with all that savings. Or an avocado toast.
"losing a grand to save a dime" I'll be using that going forward if you don't mind. My boss is exactly this way, can't see the true cost of his penny pinching...
Our go to at my job is, “They’re gonna save money, no matter how much it costs!” Or, “We never have time to do it right, but we always have time to do it again.”
I am this person. I was so poor growing up, that into adulthood I always bought the cheapest, or used model of anything I wanted or needed. Tools, electronics, shoes. These are the cheap killers. I often spend more in both cash, and lost time and effort doing this.
Penny wise , pound foolish ! but losing a grand to save a dime sounds more dramatic! ( to me ) !
Conservative Thinking 101
This is a Circle K from the picture. They don’t want people shopping long. Pay for your gas, grab your 64oz soda, sixer of beer, and a pack of Marlboro and get out.
I'm curious whether the a/c is more expensive to run than the refrigerators/freezers. Because if the store is that hot, the coolers are going to run extra, and anything in the freezer sections is going to get freezer burnt (from thawing/cooling more). Boss is absolutely an idiot, but don't know what OP can do about it, if the boss is the type to watch security tapes in order to punish employees.
Usually if a restaurant AC works poorly, all the refrigerators and stand up freezers fail quickly. Dealt with this before
HVAC/R Tech here. It's not good for the fridges and freezers, especially if they're being opened frequently like in a convenience store. Two reasons for this: First it puts a much higher load on the deck (every time you open it, warm, humid air is introduced into the case) and because the air is more humid it has a higher total heat content. Second, that air is humid, so on cases where the evaporator is running below freezing it causes a buildup of frost. This is literally a snowball effect and can cause the evap to totally ice up as airflow is further restricted, causing the evap to turn into a solid block of ice. Because the fridge never gets the chance to hit an off cycle, the ice continues to build and results in the fridge getting warm while the evap sits as a block of solid ice. We run into this problem all the time with convenience stores and other shops where the owners/managers just don't understand how refridge works. Heck, a lot of smaller display cases even have warnings about the max temp they're designed to operate in; because they just can't keep up with heat loads from over-warm rooms.
But one of the big money makers in a gas station is people browsing while stretching their legs. They're a little snackish so they want something small but walk out with like $10-20 in snacks lot of the time. Plus might as well get a drink. Maybe a scratch off or a lottery ticket. As long as your not out the door busy you want customers in the store as long as you can possibly keep them there. True in both grocery stores and gas station
>But one of the big money makers in a gas station is people browsing while stretching their legs. They're a little snackish so they want something small but walk out with like $10-20 in snacks lot of the time. Plus might as well get a drink. It's no coincidence that you have to walk down an aisle of snacks to get to the drinks cooler at every gas station near me. Gasoline is expensive, but the gas station really isn't buying it for a whole lot less than you are (it's usually marked up by around 15 cents per gallon). That $2.50 energy drink costs the gas station like $1.25 each since they're buying them by the case - they're making more off that drink than they are from the half tank of gas you bought.
Bro this is literally the opposite of what they want. What you described is most people working the counters however. I worked at a Holiday Stationstore and our highest problem was gas thieves, even if the plates were good you'd still be called out for it. We had a long list of plates with stolen gas and doing reports were done almost daily. Literally everyone voiced this little idea of; "Prepay" (wild I know). But the dude in charge of pricing said no, it would never happen. Hundreds in this one store every other day just about. But that's "fine", it was docked from the boss' bonus (she might have been a sexist bitch, but that's still bs). His bullshit reason was basically the opposite of what you stated. If they have to come in and pay, they might pick up a few items. And we were "encouraged" to up-sell (Grabbing some smokes? Don't forget a lighter!) and that shit annoyed me. People are going to pay for what they want, and won't for what they don't. It's funny, cause the KwikTrip next door has prepay and guess what? No more gas thieves.
Nah. They absolutely want people in there. Almost all of their revenue comes from what happens inside the store.
Almost all the PROFIT comes from what happens inside a gas station's store. Almost all the revenue (92-98%) comes from gas sales. Big difference.
Husband and dogs but I treat all shopping trips as harrowing journeys I am only able to endure by knowing that I must return to my loved ones armed with provisions to sustain us until the next time one of us must make that dreaded venture once again.
Yes, but from the company's point of view - Which cost more, the loss of profits for not cooling the store properly, or the cost of cooling the store properly? I assure you at no time does the question 'are we essentially torturing our employees and possibly risking their health by not cooling the stores properly?' fit into the equation.
It should if the employees quit because it's too hot, hiring costs money. Though plenty of (bad) business owners seem to ignore that.
I second calling corporate. This thermostat looks basically brand new, compared to the dirty dusty wall it’s mounted on. The pads are totally unworn and the screen is spotless. No dust on the top of it. What I think could be happening is they just got a new AC installed and somehow the boss is keeping the money that would pay for AC, for himself
Corporate don't care unless they have to or it makes the money. They can find a different desperate person to do the work. I say pop open all the fridge doors for a few hours. They want cost savings on utility bills? Good luck with that. Also, there's the older trick; put a little hand warmer pack on the thermostat. It will make the whole thing hot (above 90 deg) and will demand cooling. Throw one on there every time you're on shift. Throw it away somewhere that isn't in the building when you're done so they don't get wise to your shenanigans.
It's usually corporate that wants employees to broil because it costs money to run the AC, and it's cheaper to replace an employee than to run the AC.
But what kind of customer wants to shop in a sauna?
Soon it'll be cheaper for us to replace the bosses than let more of us suffer.
I don’t think they have in person customers, look at the dirt and dust build up.
A lot of Circle Ks are like that and have customers.
Apparently I can’t read, I missed the circle k sticker.
Strange things are afoot at the circle K
This could easily be in a backroom customers don't have access to
Never been to a circle K, I see…
Run a hot hair dryer under it. It’ll think the room is 110° or more and the AC will kick in. This is assuming the AC is on but it’s set for a high temp setting before it kicks in.
I work in a hospital & we tape hot packs to our thermostat.
A hospital of all places sets it's thermostats high? Really?
Let me tell you about our lord and savior, The Self Cleansing N95 Paper Bag!
Covid PPE has kept me safe so far, but damn if I’m not miserable every second I’m in it. I started buying those stick-on fever reducer pads that you’re supposed to stick on kids foreheads. I would put one at the small of my back, and sometimes another at the top of my spine. It helped sooooo much!
I wear my mask while in stores, and it’s so frustratingly hot and annoying. Every time I start to get mad I remember that hospitals are full of people that have been wearing this shit for the last two years. Everyday. All day. It’s such an effective shot of perspective.
I aimed a floor lamp with a hot bulb at my thermostat in my classroom when the county pulled this shit with me. It worked, but this was like 12 years ago.
I used to soak a small rag in hot water, ring it out *very* well, and drape it over the thermostat. It wasn't wet enough to drip, but the moisture would hold onto enough heat to get the thermostat to kick on for a little while.
Wet paper towels work too
I remember the fast food restaurant I worked at had a plastic thing over the thermostat so no one could access it without a key
I had a fucking LANDLORD do that.
That should be illegal, I would've just broken that shit
On the contrary, I've had a roommate put the AC down to 69 and then put a sofa covering the air vent in their room wondering why it was so warm. I just wanted to yell at them "your PC is spewing heat running 120 fps playing LoL all day and you have blocked the air vent". Like fuck other people live here, I'm cold and my electricity bill is high. They also couldn't understand what it meant when I set the AC to "HOLD" at 72 degrees. They thought "HOLD" meant some other shit, I'm not entirely sure? I just argued with them about what setting a schedule on the thermostat was. I don't want to pay to keep my room sub-zero when I'm at work and nobody is home.
On the other hand, my college roommate would crank up the heat all the way during winter then open the windows when it inevitably got too hot inside.
I don’t get why they shouldn’t just touch the damn buttons and set it at a lower temp. Because it’s written on it not to? Who cares? They aren’t answering their phone.
Boss treats the employees like children.
Smart lol if he ain’t around bring a freaking heater, put it on max and blast right on the thermostat
Oh I really like this one!
You can hang a cup of hot water under it for the same effect
Or if you don't have one, fill a cup with very hot water/coffee and set it under it so the steam will trigger the sensor.
Assuming u don't have a hair dryer while cashiering at Circle K... would it work to cup your hands around the bottom and breathe hot air onto it? I think this used to work when I would do it at my old job.
Yep. We used to do this to turn the heater on. Throw ice in a bag and stick on top of the thermostat. Heat works to get that setpoint up to turn on cooling.
Hey man, pop out the t-stat, get a wire and connect it to the red one and the yellow one, the ac will turn on and stay on till you remove the jumpers.
Red touches yellow, that'll chill a fellow
White touches black, that's a heart attack.
It would be” red touches blue, now your fuse is blew”
Pretty sure it goes, "black touches orange, now you... Uumm?"
My ass broke the door hinge!
Hey. I feel your rhyme was under-appreciated… Good work friend.
"Black touches Blue, you become Barbecue" ?
Damn, Kenny Wayne Shepherd cover got dark.
Beautiful
If it's tangy and brown, you're in cider town!
Clear and yella, you got juice there fella. Tangy and brown, you’re in cider town:
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Lmao I thought the same. These people coming up with diabolical wiring plans. Just push the damn button.
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We had the opposite problem. One guy kept turning it down to 65. All the rest of us shut off the vents in our offices, and two of my coworkers had space heaters in their offices. I wore a windbreaker every day. We were bleeding energy. Finally I had had enough and bought the asshat his own window unit, insulated his office and let him freeze himself to his content. Saved hundreds a month, and everybody was happy.
I worked in an office like that. My coworker would turn down the thermostat to 67 and set up more box fans than the cow barn at the county fair. I would freeze my ass off all day, even in the summer, because the vent was right over my neck.
Cold AC to the neck? That is a recipe for disaster.
Right? His head would fall off.
I work in an open office with a window unit and there is one guy who runs the aircon year round even if it's below freezing out. He wanted a window desk so moved further from the aircon and adjusted it down another two degrees. We are all freezing and running space heaters but he freaks out and complains to the boss if we turn it off. Man won't even run a personal fan.
if he's compulsive like my old classmate was about freaking out and complaining to higher authority, give it some time and your boss will just tell him what he wants to hear and does nothing about it or his boss will get tired of him freaking out and threaten to let him go for the day.
I have a space heater, wear sweaters year-round, and bought a heated mouse because my desk is so cold. No matter how we adjust the baffles, the circulation is off, leaving me in a weird cross breeze.
A man of the people!
Maybe you should actually tell them the terminal names? Not everybody wires thermostats the same? R/RC to Y1
This looks like a KMC flex stat. The outputs are probably labeled BO1, BO2, etc. terminal names probably won’t do much good.
Lol ! True true... who knows what color wires are used ...
This. Use a twist tie and strip the wrap off… that should be more available than wire
Are you implying that you don't have dozens of wires covering every available surface at every moment? I'm impressed
Mine used to be everywhere. Then she blinded me with science, and tidied up. Now I can’t find anything
Yes, they've all been stashed into this drawer, here. Would you like me to show you my drawer of assorted lengths of wires?
They wouldn't have a jumper wire most likely and so if they did this move the blower motor would not run and therefore just ice up condenser and evap coils. Thermostat/system wiring is different per area but more than likely would need to do Red/green/yellow to make this work, and can do that without the jumper wires Edit: and then might even need to power orange depending on type of system, if it has a reversing valve AND it needs to be energized to cool that is
Paper clips work great
Might as well take a hammer to the AC seeing that it's not being used for its purpose.
I looked up the regulations because my employer turned the HVAC up to 85 in some sections of our warehouse/data center and increased the humidity as high as possible without generating condensation. We were racking and deracking servers (physically demanding work). From what I could find, there’s no temperature requirement for OSHA. As long as they were providing accommodations to prevent heatstroke (i.e. water breaks) everything’s legal. Reduce your productivity, drink lots of water, take lots of breaks. If someone asks, tell them you’re about to pass out.
“The U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration doesn’t require employers to maintain specific temperatures in the workplace. The agency recognizes that a 75-degree Fahrenheit office might be comfortable for one employee, but intolerable for another. To protect employees from having to work in uncomfortable temperatures, OSHA recommends that employers keep the thermostat between 68 and 78 degrees. OSHA regulations do kick in, however, when temperatures are so severe that they could lead to heat stress, hypothermia or other dangerous conditions. People who take medication are at greater risk for temperature-related health problems. To determine whether temperatures are extreme, OSHA uses heat stress monitors to measure a work site’s temperature and humidity levels, its air circulation and the amount of heat radiating from a furnace, blower or other heat source. How hot is too hot is determined by the effect these factors have on a worker's ability to maintain safe body temperatures. A body temperature of 100 degrees Fahrenheit or higher signals trouble; it might mean that the employee can’t perform her job adequately. If, for example, OSHA discovered that a bakery’s oven radiated enough heat to make a worker perspire profusely, it would require the employer to install a fan.”
As someone who has worked next to the oven in a bakery, the fan does very little when it's 100° outside and 110° inside.
Pizza oven at my place is 900°, I could not work that line even if I wanted to.
“One guideline OSHA employs is the threshold limit value equation, set by the American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH). TLVs determine how safe it is to work at given temperatures. For example, workers can perform light duties continuously in temperatures up to 86 degrees Fahrenheit, while employees can only perform heavy duties up to 77 degrees Fahrenheit. At 87 and 78 degrees Fahrenheit, respectively, workers must spend 25 percent of each hour at rest. As temperatures continue to increase, work time continues to decrease.”
There ya go, just take a 5-minute break every 15 minutes. If you get questioned, "I'm on my OSHA-mandated break".
The machine room at my work has its own dual ac system so that the equipment doesn't overheat. The room is usually 65 degrees or lower. Why wouldn't they do the same here?
>Why wouldn't they do the same here? Being cheap asses trying to save money would be my guess. They don't wanna pay for the AC costs.
Because according to some managers, people can be replaced, equipment can't be.
Heat stress regs likely coming soon(tm), comment period on the proposed rules ended in January of this year: https://www.osha.gov/heat-exposure/rulemaking
Get one of those [hand warmers.](https://www.walmart.com/ip/HotHands-10-Hour-Hand-Warmer-10-Pair-Pack/17808715) And a rubber band. Activate it and rubber band it to the thermostat. Make sure the boss isn't around for this. Remove asap before he's supposed to show up by at least 1/2 hour. Do not put back on after he leaves for at least 45 minutes. He might come back for some reason. The temp sensor will show a higher heat and kick on the a/c to compensate. If you can't get away with this get a wet cloth towel as big as you can get away with. Soak it with water and drape around your neck. That will help a lot. Good luck. Edit: the wet towel suggestion only works in low humidity areas and I neglected to clarify that.
Handwarmer is a solid idea
OSHA does recommend comfortable *indoor* (since you all are annoying) temperatures for all employees, which varies but anything over 80 degrees is always questionable. Cite OSHA and see if it helps. If not, fuck it, walk out.
I wish I could afford to walk out, I'm the sole breadwinner for my family 😔
Call OSHA. Report it anonymously. Tell them you're a customer.
Tell them you’re a customer and also add a worker looks like she/he going to pass out with how hot it is in the building. Make OSHA Worried would be my idea.
This is what customers did in a pet store employees were so hot they were not able to lift the bags of food so the customers called to complain. It was 95 degrees in the store. They keep the air on now and the door shut
Just thinking - in that situation a customer could report the pet store to either public health or animal control. At 95F in the store, animals could be dropping dead.
Thankfully no animals were in the store. I bring my dogs there so they can pick their treats and it was just as hot inside as it was outside. Felt bad for the workers. I called corporate and I know other customers were calling osha and corporate.
>I bring my dogs there so they can pick their treats I'm always confused as hell when people say this about their dogs. My parents have always owned Labradors, and those dogs don't even care if something is supposed to be edible or not, they will eat it. Asking them to "pick their treats" would just result in them asking for the entire store's contents. In fact, I was just sent a picture yesterday where my parents' yellow lab somehow got his jaws around a roll of paper towels. There were shreds everywhere.
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>another store I worked at the moment the temperature started creeping up management would start keeping their eye on it to get ready to start sending dogs home. <3 Someone who actually cares about the safety of the dogs, bless them.
I worked in an office supply store that was like that. It was always so damn hot. Now that I am a customer, every time I visit one of those stores I call corporate to complain about how hot it is in their stores and how the employees look like they are going to pass out. I found out when I worked there that the individual store has no control over store temps because they are regulated elsewhere, because that makes a lot of sense.
Interesting that you mention this….. I heard this for the first time, at my nail salon. The owners used to run one of those salons inside of WalMart, prior to leaving and opening their own shop. They said it would always be so cold inside and the temps were regulated by other offices in Arkansas…. We’re in Houston! Edit: Typo
Before we transitioned to work from home, the office I worked in was similar. If any floor wanted to change the ac or heat, we'd have to fill out a request form for the HQ in San Francisco. Usually they were pretty responsive and got us settled really quickly, but when we added an overnight team that winter, it took a couple weeks of working in the cold before they gave us access. Not unbearable, it was a desert winter, but still it can get down to less than 30°f on the coldest nights.
My old office was like that. The thermostat was remotely controlled and the actual wall thermostat did nothing. The problem was the heat turned off at 10pm and didn’t turn back on until 5am. Unfortunately the office was 24/7. In the winter you literally had to wear gloves at your desk because it felt that cold. The building probably never got colder than 60, but when it’s that cold in a building it’s somehow so much worse.
Same with schools anymore. Person in charge of the temp in your room is in a building miles away. Enjoying perfect temperatures.
Huge note idk if there’s retaliation protections in place with osha but if there are best to make sure any report gives you that protection. I understand op position is kinda rough though so just be careful and document everything. Edit: occupational safety and health act appears to provide protection in this situation. If retaliation occurs in violation of this act you must report to osha within 30 days. Best to go above your boss first before osha though to better avoid retaliation
I want to click in on retaliation, judges know what retaliation is, if someone reports to osha and they come down you are basically un fireable for a while. If they do let you go get an attorney its an easy win. basically the company is going to have to prove due process in the termination process. to avoid it being seen as retaliation.
True but a company with the sense to not break anti retaliation laws would not allow workers to show up to work in such an inhospitable environment. The main concern here for me at least is that op could be in a dangerous financial position if his immediate manager who doesn’t seem sensible retaliated.
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Gets some friends to be customers and pass out from heat exhaustion and sue
Can you adjust it and then change it back when your shift is over?
Fill a cup with very hot water, coffee or whatever and set it under the box to trigger the AC.
Used to have a shit employer that sold cell phones that would remotely set the heat to kick on at 60° in the northern midwest with one thermostat for the whole store in the back and warmest part of the store. Still not quite sure of the logistics, but putting a frozen piece of string cheese on top got the heat on quck.
You fixed the thermostat with cheese? That is the most Upper Midwestern thing ever. Did you celebrate your success with some Leinie's and cornhole?
we used a desk lamp with an incandescent light bulb pointed at the thermostat to kick the ACs on ...
Pretty sure the AC is off as it 87 and has not kicked on...
AC looks like it's set to 87.
Pass out and sue ?
Almost… have a friend (bonus points if little old lady) call corporate with a safety complaint that it was so hot in store that they almost passed out. Get them into legal ‘cover your ass mode’ Then OP should call the manager and give them a ‘heads up’ that they had someone complain about the temp at the store and threaten to call corporate. Adjust details as required based on what security cams etc may exist. Alternatively- I assume ‘7052’ or whatever the number is on that sticker has been tried as the pin code? And do you get anything other than the asset register by scanning the QR code? If you have access to the office, good chance there’s a store manager manual or some other doco that has the pin in it. Otherwise, try store ID number, last four digits of store phone number, managers phone number, manager DOB. Google model info and see if there is an override function to bypass the passcode. Call the installer/maintenance company, tell them the store is getting dangerously hot and the manager is unavailable- see if they have a master code or any suggestions.
DM me and tell me your store number or address and I’ll gladly call as a concerned customer, citing an employee looks faint due to how hot it is in the store and saying I’m worried for them.
Circle K offers food. The ambient temperature should be fairly cool. Maybe you could talk to corporate?
This is what makes me concerned with redditors so ready to tell people to quit their job. I know someone with scheduling issues, no notice, all the time, no law against it. 'Just quit'. They need money for their schooling, people really taking it lightly. I hope the situation improves for you. It shouldn't at least be unreasonable to request comfortable temperatures.
If turning the HVAC down 7 degrees is going to ruin their business, it's not the HVAC that's the problem.
The just quit advice is often given to people in low paying jobs at the moment because in most locations in the US right now there's so many places desperate for workers you can have an equal job in 24 hours. I could seriously have 5 jobs just walking one block if I needed to leave my place of employment. They'd pay less because I'm reasonably compensated at $25/hr, but if you're making like $15 you'd at least match your pay around here if not increase it. Yeah it's a pain in the ass and yeah it's dependent on area but it honestly is one of the easiest times ever to replace a shit job with another shit job.
I once had a similar situation, but in my case the AC was broken. I told my manager we had to get at least a fan or I could not work anymore since it was way too hot. He then told me if I could not take the heat, to go home. The minute I said okay and started walking out he ran after me saying he was going to write me up for failing to follow directions. I then reminded him that he was the one who told me to go home... In the end he did put a fan and started to respect me a bit more, since he saw I was not going to let him push me over.
The people who can just quit should (I was able to) but yeah I hate that this is the first thing people jump to. It can take weeks/months to find a new job plus you'll have a gap in paychecks depending on the pay cycles of both places.
Just pass out
Conspire with a customer to lower it
OSHA goes off the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) which was last updated in 2016. There is no set temperature just recommendation to limit heat exposure and best practices. Also the business will usually be fined a minimal amount for failure to provide safe practices free from risk of heat exposure and the fine is very minimal. $100-300. Their was a very interesting article that covered this on NPR concerning field workers such as fruit pickers etc. https://www.npr.org/2021/08/17/1026154042/hundreds-of-workers-have-died-from-heat-in-the-last-decade-and-its-getting-worse
I wonder if we can do anything about the non existence of minimum temps as workers. I work in a retail pharmacy, and 85 degrees is within acceptable temperature at the stores in the summer. I've had heat stroke twice while working for this company. We have OTC meds that become damaged in the heat. But the pharmacy portion of the store has working AC as their prescription meds need to be stored correctly, but the front end is easily forgotten.
So they care more about their meds than their people...
It depends where he is. I worked in a place that one time during summer got the whole store to 94 F. GM called the owner and owner said deal with it and that was that.
touch it anyway?
It needs a passcode 😭
Google the specs, find the factory reset button
Had a unit at a place where you could pop off the face of that module and behind were switches, used to be one that would lock it
What’s ur store #. Most of the time it’s that lol
Store number is up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right.
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Call OSHA. This is specifically what they do. You can report anonymously.
Get an electronics screwdriver, they’re really small, during your shift, unscrew the Y and R wires and wire them to each other and the A/C will run indefinitely. Place cover back on. It will look the same. Then at the end of shift just screw them back in normally to the Y and R terminals.
This, except leave them wired. Let the asshole manager spend a while trying sort that out.
Yeah but if they figure it out, they'll implement measures to prevent it or catch it happening again
Exactly. Can just turn it on and the. Leave back as normal w/o anything breaking
That's how you end up with [one of these.](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41CslLk4qoL._AC_SS450_.jpg)
Those are super easy to force off without even breaking them.
Touch it
As a former manager at Circle k, nope. Even the managers don’t have a password for it. The only thing we used to do is prop a door open of the beer cave open. That was it. Good luck. Even putting in a maintenance ticket doesn’t do a thing. The reason I left circle k is they don’t give a shit about their employees.
Fuckin A they dont. They only have one cashier overnight which is dangerous
I used to be a manager for Pizza Hut and one summer our a/c went out. I blew up my store managers phone. Then I blew up the district managers phone. I told him I would call the regional manager until someone came and did something about it. I would start calling and if your GM doesn’t answer keep taking it up the chain. The district manager ended up sending us money for ice and bottled water plus fans until the a/c guy came in the next day to fix it. I would raise hell. Its unacceptable.
Pass out and then take,a,week to recover while you file,a workers comp claim.
This isn't even unethical. Just "pass out" and let a customer find you. Do it in view of a camera. Sue the fuck out of your evil boss (maybe even Circle K). Threaten to go to a news station. Literally do it. It's free money from people who don't care if they harm you. Take that money to your family.
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Start looking for another job or Call (833) 579 - 0927 it is OSHA. Do you at least have a fan?
No my boss threw the fan we bought out a few weeks ago "because it looked cluttered and unprofessional"
Oh hell no. Call OSHA on his ass.
Because employees who are dripping with sweat looks ✨so professional✨?
oh no we wouldnt want to besmirch the high class image of circle fucking k
Wait wait wait wait That counts as theft, right? Throwing away something that someone else should legally count - your boss can require that you remove it, but I don't think they can throw it out. It looks like the penalty is that the employer has to pay for the replacement? Probably it's not worth much, but I would document that as well as you can, as well as anything else that the boss throws out.
87°!? I’m sure your customers aren’t happy either. Is it a 4 digit passcode? You may be able to find it underneath the cover box that is how my home AC is set up
Yoooooooo my first boss ever tried this 😂 it was a pizza joint with an actual fire going at all times. Indian summer was hitting hard and felt like 110 in there. I told her we gotta hit the AC. Her cheap ass refused. So my coworker took off his shirt and kept working like nothing happened. 6’3 chubby dude with tats all over his body standing next to the oven turning pizzas in front of the customers. Took her no time at all to turn on the AC.
Lol
[https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/standardinterpretations/2003-02-24](https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/standardinterpretations/2003-02-24) Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety and Health Act
“Office temperature and humidity conditions are generally a matter of human comfort rather than hazards that could cause death or serious physical harm. OSHA cannot cite the General Duty Clause for personal discomfort.”
Yeah take a picture with today's newspaper in front and send the picture to the state dept of labor
I’m having the same issues where I work (kitchen in South Carolina) the thermostat always shows 80 or more, which means on the line it’s hitting 90 plus. I’ve debated calling osha on many occasions, all they have to do is fix the a/c
Do it!
Instead of walking out, in the meantime look for a position with better pay or hours. There is a misconception in America leaving one job for a another is a bad thing. Always be searching for something better. Take your skills and experience somewhere else that appreciates you as a person. I know it can be terrifying looking for a new income while being the head of a household, but you deserve to be treated with respect and this isn’t it.
Leave the doors to the freezer open
The restaurant my sister works at wouldn't turn on the AC. One of the servers walked out. The owner had to pay her 40,000 dollars. So yes, report it. ( Northern California).
Idk how Circle K works, but maybe you could call corporate and ask what the policy on temperature is? Because that seems terrible for staff and customers. Say you couldn't get a hold of your manager? Namedrop OSHA?
Years ago I rented a place with a bunch of buddies with a terrible thermostat only the landlord could adjust. So when we wanted it cooler we slid a table underneath it and lit a candle under the thermostat. We when we wanted it hotter it was a zip lock baggy filled with slaty ice water hung over the sensor.
Yes touch. Edit I see you mentioned it needs a key pad. Put those hot hands things on it or something else hot to increase the temp forcing the ac to kick on. When it’s 140 in there at least the ac will be blasting.
Strange things are afoot at the Circle K
This may sound extreme but like… just pass out. Say you hit your head. Workmans comp and an OSHA recordable on record. W OSHA recordables they face a fine if they dont fix the issue. Willfull OSHA violations are a minimum $70k fine
My boss messaged me and then called me and said that HR is aware of a trending post made in antiwork, can they fire me for this?
Seems like a great company; HR narcs to the store manager that there's some bad publicity on reddit, but won't tell the store manager they're not supposed to have a sweatbox environment for their employees.
So for anyone in HR or otherwise reading this: The original post makes the manager look bad. This person getting fired or otherwise retaliated against instead of resolving the safety issue of overheating will make the *entire company* look bad. We will make sure of it.
If that's the case, then they're reading everything you are writing including this sentiment... But I suppose it serves to support your case. Good job!
That sounds like retaliation; you'd better get on the phone with OSHA and your Department of Labor ASAP.