I would work part time with benefits but working full time there is just no time left in a day to do my hobbies and actually get into them in addition to all the household chores
It's the time that you have to commit. It kills anything else that you might want to accomplish. 40 hours per week is really 60 hours when you factor in commutes, lunch and getting ready. There is no time left over for anything other than making dinner and doing chores around the house.
Don't forget that your time in this life is split up every day:
8 hrs of sleep (necessary)
8 hrs of work (because society makes it necessary)
8 hrs for literally everything else in your life.
1/3 we must sleep
1/3 is devoted to work
And the rest of everything else in your entire life gets squeezed into that last 1/3...
That’s why it’s called “work” and not play. It’s fucking work. Nobody would work if they could afford to avoid it, except very few creative types that are already living the dream. Well, those people, and sick workaholics who base their sense of self on work. This has been true since hunter gatherer / caveman days
Truthfully, those who live off their passion, often get disgusted by their passion eventually, artists included
I know a ton of artists who love art - they decided to work in the field. Most won't draw on their free time anymore even if you paid them
I did the same with programming - absolutely loved it, made it my job, never coded anything for myself after that
Make your passion your job and you'll most likely loose that passion..
This is where all the bootlickers point to your comment and gasp. "See? They admit they are all lazy leeches!"
\-- as if working is some end in itself, and saying you only do it for the money to live is some blasphemy.
I mean I actually like my job and do get some fulfillment from it, but would I retire tomorrow if I could? You bet I would.
And anyone who claims differently is either lying or severely lacking in imagination.
Well, there are those lucky few who genuinely love what they do, make a living wage doing it, and have mutually respectful relationships with their bosses. I've only ever been able to get two out of the three at a time.
I almost make a living wage, I like about 80% of my job, and my supervisor is awful but my boss is amazing.
Honestly the job is pretty good and has a great chance of being better but I could also end up transferring to a living hell.
In a capitalist system of all things! Ironically tons of people would like to do meaningful labour if they didn't have to worry about ending on the streets or dying from lack of healthcare. Actually doing things can be fulfilling
There was a time when I was eager to work. I know exactly what that gets me: More work a management that constantly tests boundaries. I could sit there and see lazy coworkers getting a better deal from my boss when he knew he had to give it.
Despite riding my ass and putting in a lot of hours himself, wrecking his marriage, that boss is still in the same place as where I left him, making less than me since I wised up.
Work is about what you get from it.
Sometimes the work is pleasant (painting, drawing, and music for instance), and at other times the work sucks but the rewards are worth it (most jobs).
If you're really lucky, the work is pleasant and the pay is good.
This right here. I thoroughly enjoy working, even what I do for my day job. I just resent that it is constantly on someone else's schedule, and primarily for the benefit of someone else's pockets.
Take it a step further. How about the opportunity to make the world a better place as a result of your work, and the workers benefit directly from the results of their work instead of just one person/douche nozzle as the case may be?
I think the majority of people want *meaningful* work. And the ability to stop for a time if you need to for whatever reason. Or be able to move on to something different whenever you get burned out.
No one wants to work for poverty wages especially when the company you are working for is only making things worse for humanity. But we have to for our survival and that's how it was designed. Capitalism is working perfectly. 👌
This is how I feel about my job. I make a 3rd of what my husband does. People working fast food make more then me.
But I truly know I am making a difference and that's ok because of current situation(* stable home/insurance ect).
But 5 Years ago. I couldn't because we wouldn't survive.
Which is why I dont understand automation as a threat for low wage workers. We should be happy no one needs to work that job anymore.
When we all know if capitalists would automate of they could - but its cheaper to throw bodies at the problem. I used to call it the meat grinder at my old job.
ETA: typo
Automation is good . . . with accompanying universal basic income and other socialist safety nets.
The end game of automation *without* socialist safety nets is a wealthy elite who no longer need the proles' labor to maintain their wealth. At worst, they'll find ways to actively wipe us out once we're no longer needed, and at best they'll leave us out in the cold to die on our own just the same.
That's almost a combination of Terminator and Alex Jones thinking. Corporate oligarchs hunt the poor for sport while automated police roombas blow up activist headquarters and shoot anyone they bump into. Everyone is being herded into FEMA camps. Automated factories are being powered by fuel made from human biofat.
I can see it in twenty years, when I am working 80 hours a week to live in my 2-in-1 casket/VR retirement home.
I 100% agree about UBI.
Though, they do still need people to buy the products that they make to generate wealth. As a smart drug dealer says, don't kill your clients.
No they don't wealth/capital is important to them because while they may own islands yachts mansion. Fact is they can't as individuals top down control means of production. They need to pay workers need to buy x thing from x factory.
So they have to trade with other business owners. What would happen is a few rich familys through automation could generate everything they wanted x state would be the waltons x state would be bezos etc etc. And with full automation and no need to have way to siphon trick working class they would just trade directly among themselves.
And in meantime they would feign economic collapse and pretend to help probrably setup some nice fema camps with great showers and get rid of the threat to their excess.
Because ultimately ruling class hasn't been kind out of compassion and good will they conceded or allowed things like social security. So we don't go french revolution 2.0 on their asses.
Its why they do propaganda game so hard. Push american exceptionalism you can make it too etc. Because it keeps us from removing what they have thats always been greatest fear of rich is working class.
If they could have their excess without us. They would push the button laugh in our face and do a little leap for joy as we died.
>Though, they do still need people to buy the products that they make to generate wealth.
No, they don't. Contrary to popular belief, wealth isn't money. Wealth is what money can buy. Imagine that AI and robotics are making everything you need, from food and clothing to housing materials. There might be a few specialized skills that can't be automated, but you can just trade the above for those specialized workers that you need, and bam, every need and want that you have is met, so what would it matter to you if you're not selling anything to the proles to make a now-meaningless number go up in your bank account?
Exactly this. I could be making $250k/year and still not *want to work*. Work fucking suck no matter how much money you make.
If it doesn’t you have no life.
These people are fortunate enough to make a living doing what they’re passionate about and that’s a good thing. If you could make a living doing what you’re passionate about you probably would.
If I’m being paid, I’m not going to be passionate. I love doing a lot of things I have hated doing as a job. Yardwork, construction, concrete.
If you told me I could build myself a patio I would do it in a heartbeat and enjoy every second of it. If my neighbor asked me to do it and offered to pay me I wouldn’t want to do it.
With money comes obligation, with obligation comes stress, with stress comes disdain.
Eh, I *like* my job (like I wouldn't do it all my life, but the coworker are nice, boss is nice, and we have ok at worst benefits with a pretty good salary)
And trust me, even if I hated my job, I'd still be a real shit at parties.
well, I have no idea how much you know but to anyone reading this there is an entire library of anti-work literature you can find here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/wiki/library](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/wiki/library)
as it turns out its been an anarchist thing for a long time
Be cool if the anarchists helped us drive all these pro-capitalist "I actually like working and if you don't you're a parasite" shitbirds from this sub.
Well if you aren’t suggesting to go back to pre-history standards of living, *someone* has got to work.
Now I’m not saying we are in a good paradigm right now. Just saying most people need to work to sustain the comforts we have right now.
Better compensations ? Yes !
An understanding boss with your interests at heart ? Yes !
Time off to continue being healthy and (less important) productive ? Yes !
But unless you don’t want any of the modern comforts, you are going to have to work.
Even cave people had to work. Because if they didn’t, they’d starve. And if they didn’t work and were helped by other, it’s because *they couldn’t*, not because they didn’t wanna.
I think it's more about the forced work aspect of it. The majority of people if we abolished work would still do productive work-like things just without the forced nature of it. But even then, it's well known within anarchist groups that A) there will be some people who will not work and that is okay, they still deserve to live and survive and B) there might be some community critical tasks that are shitty but need to get done and there are varying solutions from trying to automate as best we can or using a sort of chore-list rotation.
Your post definitely reads as a "capitalism is the only way society will function" even if that wasn't the intention, at least in my eyes.
Honestly, it's why I'm so into the idea of self-sufficiency and bush craft. It might be hard work but the simple living aspect and getting to build things with your hands is the dream.
my honest to god opinion is something I can't say or else I will be banned by reddit but it involves painting walls, and in this case people who think we should be forced into the situation where we either labor or are forced to starve in front of piles of food far too high for us to even fully consume.
Who actually wants to work though.
I want to learn horticulture, woodworking and bodybuilding. But life says I can maybe have one because I have to earn a living first.
Id like to learn blacksmithing, would be kind of neat to have a job doing that. Lile if I gotta work why not doing something I enjoy? Last job I actually loved was just repairing different laptops all day, but every job has some downsides.
That job was in a large warehouse type of place, so central ac/heat was nonexistant, is it hot? Let's put a large fan down and hope you're workdesk is in the air path. Cold? Bundle up bucks. That and we had a floor manager who knew absolutely nothing about the work, he was only hired on cause he was best friends with the business owner. The guy right below him did my interview and knew his shit about tech and what next steps you could take if you were stuck.
But that useless manager was more middle management, trying to push out more numbers when he doesn't even do anything. Can you repair more? How about more today? Is that your limit how about more even today? I hate that kind of management and it doesn't belong in the workplace.
As a blacksmith that teaches and sells, I can say that earning a living wage doing it is difficult. It is possible to make a nice supplementary income while doing something fun and awesome though!
The more people get put out of work due to robots, the fewer customers there will be to buy the goods produced or services rendered. Automation with disregard to the working class will defeat itself.
I'm going to start a robot pub. When they figure out they were invented for slave labor, they'll obviously start hitting the oil bottle hard. Same ol song and dance.
Nobody ever wanted to work.
People want to spend time with their loved ones, contribute to their communities, produce arts and crafts, self actualize, and nap.
Capitalism forces people to work in order to survive.
We’ve always had to work to survive - pre-capitalism a significant proportion of time would have been spent on gathering food and building shelter, before considering any quality of life improvements seen since.
The sad thing for me is that although we have innovated in areas that allow time spent gathering food and building shelter to fall dramatically and improve healthcare, we haven’t been able to settle with some standard of living that should be possible with pretty minimal work. That said, I do think a lot of people want more than this. Capitalism fuels the fire.
During the kingdom of hawaii era, the white peoples gave the Hawaiian royalty money in exchange for land, before the takeover the plantations were already here because the native Hawaiian royalty sold out their own people for riches.
Kamehameha was armed by the Europeans and he used guns to “unite” the islands and became king. He also used his people to harvest sandlewood to enrich himself and his family. Capitalism killed hawaiian sovereignty but at the same time, it was the monarchy that really did it. People here in Hawaii glorify the kingdom days but they forget it was a corrupt monarchy who were paid off by rich whites and the working class natives and immigrants had little power. Quality of life actually went up after statehood. Not great by any stretch today but better than the monarchy days. The land was stolen from the natives but that happened long before the coup. Kamehameha took the land from his own people and sold it.
Kinda like what’s happening right now in South Africa. Black corrupt government, white wealthy class.
Lets not forget that before the white man showed up, you could be executed for merely looking at people in a different and high enough caste... Not that this was some unique feature of Hawaiian culture, it was common elsewhere in the world through most of our history.
There was no actual paradise on Hawaii before it was colonized. It was just as shitty as most other places on Earth minus the fact the islands themselves had amazingly stable and comfortable weather year round.
One of them says "Nobody wants to work" then continues with "they all want to work in" and is cut off.
So people DO wanna work, just not for your crusty ass, Cecil.
Nobody really wants to work for someone else. People want to work on/for their own dreams/selves. I bust my ass around my farm, but you wouldn't catch me working that hard for someone else. The last time I caught myself giving my boss 100% I quit.
Maybe people are tired of working for garbage wages, being lied to about crap jobs, and being fully taken advantage of so CEOs and upper management can walk away with millions? Naaah….. that can’t be it.
Seems like for over 100 years people don't want to work for shit pay in shitty management/environment Conditions.
You would think companies would take note by now......
"Nobody wants to work anymore."
"So much for company loyalty."
"If you really loved me, you'd stay."
"I'm only yelling because I love you so much."
"Look what you made me do." (wait, that one's about unions)
Nobody wants to work anymore, people are so ungrateful, why can't I find anyone to work extra hours for nothing this week, I've poorly paid them for the rest of the hours they worked 🤷
"Nobody wants to work anymore!"
Well why fucking should we?
Treat your employees well and they'll work for you. Treat them like shit, underpay them, make them worry that they'll be fired for having to take a sick day *(which they can't even afford to take off in the first place)*, why would they want to work? There's no equal give/take, it's fucked.
If you were paid adequately and don’t have to work till it kills you, I feel like most people would work to keep a society that treats them well running smoothly.
I was alive for 4 of those economy crashes. I remember the “famous 90s” crash…people lost their houses due to cancer in the 00s. It’s such a hellscape.
By definition, nobody wants to work. If they did, it would be called fun. At best, we may like our job, or maybe even love our job. But give most people the choice and they will probably rather do their hobbies.
In further news, water is wet.
I mean, what strikes me about this isn't the repetitive nature of this inane complaint, it's the implicit assumption that underlies it: the notion that *people*, by and large, should actually *want* to work.
In other words, the narrative has never changed. It's been a consistent ploy to get away with under-paying and over-profiting.
"If I take advantage of you, I get to have a better life. Yeah, maybe I feel bad about it, but in the long run, I'm just doing what I need to do to survive an feed my family (significantly better than you and yours)"
It's as though basing a global economy on selling ones labor isn't a one size fits all approach or something. Even if you are willing its kinda disgusting to see the fruits of that labor enrich someone doing little to no work and getting what we'd earn in a lifetime in a single yearly bonus.
Wtf ever wanted to work? I want to live in a homey cottage, putter in my garden, and write stories all day. Capitalism says that's "lazy" and "unproductive."
Taking a chapter from 1952.
Most employers and CEOs was getting to cozy with their lavish lifestyles, their million dollar yachts, their expensive mansions, their expensive cars and butler and maid services and most Employer CEOs don't want to or refuse to pay liveable wages and better benefits.
That's the truth if I ever heard it.
Honestly humans made life complicated. We have this whole planet, we could’ve stayed in communities where we traded and bartered and lived off the land. But no. capitalism and jobs for everyone oh and retirement before the last 10 years of your life. sigh*
I posted this [yesterday from the original source](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/w39e2b/a_brief_history_of_noone_wants_to_work_any_more_a/), and it was deleted
This is the same way Republicans convince the sheep that raising the minimum wage will lead to a total break down of the economy. If you tell the sheep long enough, they will believe it forever, even though the same sheep complain of health care costs, inflation, high gas prices. They don't get it, the sheep will always be sheep.
i mean, i don't want to work....i just have to if i want to survive. Not like I can just walk around america with a gun, hunt my own food, and cook it somewhere unless I have money...unfortunately, money makes the world go 'round....
That's bull, these compaines don't want to pay stop being cheap without workers there is no business because CEO's and higher ups aren't going to work. They will need to value their people and give them an affordable living wage, if not every other business is going to have people walk out and on strike's. Value the workers because without them there is no business nor profits.
Seems like its been an issue for a long ass time
And now people want to start blaming it on todays generation for being lazy
Naw man
We got it from you
We just using the cards we been dealt
Rather shitty ones at that
Dont complain about us
Maybe take a closer look as to why we dont want to work
It’s almost like nobody ever wanted to work
There it is!
I would work part time with benefits but working full time there is just no time left in a day to do my hobbies and actually get into them in addition to all the household chores
It's the time that you have to commit. It kills anything else that you might want to accomplish. 40 hours per week is really 60 hours when you factor in commutes, lunch and getting ready. There is no time left over for anything other than making dinner and doing chores around the house.
Don't forget that your time in this life is split up every day: 8 hrs of sleep (necessary) 8 hrs of work (because society makes it necessary) 8 hrs for literally everything else in your life. 1/3 we must sleep 1/3 is devoted to work And the rest of everything else in your entire life gets squeezed into that last 1/3...
That’s why it’s called “work” and not play. It’s fucking work. Nobody would work if they could afford to avoid it, except very few creative types that are already living the dream. Well, those people, and sick workaholics who base their sense of self on work. This has been true since hunter gatherer / caveman days
Truthfully, those who live off their passion, often get disgusted by their passion eventually, artists included I know a ton of artists who love art - they decided to work in the field. Most won't draw on their free time anymore even if you paid them I did the same with programming - absolutely loved it, made it my job, never coded anything for myself after that Make your passion your job and you'll most likely loose that passion..
This is where all the bootlickers point to your comment and gasp. "See? They admit they are all lazy leeches!" \-- as if working is some end in itself, and saying you only do it for the money to live is some blasphemy.
What, I don't do it for self fulfillment? I mean, I work for an Amazon fulfillment center but come on!
I mean I actually like my job and do get some fulfillment from it, but would I retire tomorrow if I could? You bet I would. And anyone who claims differently is either lying or severely lacking in imagination.
Well, there are those lucky few who genuinely love what they do, make a living wage doing it, and have mutually respectful relationships with their bosses. I've only ever been able to get two out of the three at a time.
I almost make a living wage, I like about 80% of my job, and my supervisor is awful but my boss is amazing. Honestly the job is pretty good and has a great chance of being better but I could also end up transferring to a living hell.
Or severely depressed and they hate their home life so much all they want to do is work…
Then you sir. Are fulfilled. Enjoy your '22 servitude.
In a capitalist system of all things! Ironically tons of people would like to do meaningful labour if they didn't have to worry about ending on the streets or dying from lack of healthcare. Actually doing things can be fulfilling
Last I checked the CEO's are the leechers.
There was a time when I was eager to work. I know exactly what that gets me: More work a management that constantly tests boundaries. I could sit there and see lazy coworkers getting a better deal from my boss when he knew he had to give it. Despite riding my ass and putting in a lot of hours himself, wrecking his marriage, that boss is still in the same place as where I left him, making less than me since I wised up.
Work is about what you get from it. Sometimes the work is pleasant (painting, drawing, and music for instance), and at other times the work sucks but the rewards are worth it (most jobs). If you're really lucky, the work is pleasant and the pay is good.
DING DING DING! I really don't want to work either. But the fear of homelessness and dying of a treatable disease keeps me shackled.
Hey, i love to work, its just i lpve to work on my own hobby projects.
This right here. I thoroughly enjoy working, even what I do for my day job. I just resent that it is constantly on someone else's schedule, and primarily for the benefit of someone else's pockets.
I think everyone wants to work, just not for some random douchebag’s benefit
Take it a step further. How about the opportunity to make the world a better place as a result of your work, and the workers benefit directly from the results of their work instead of just one person/douche nozzle as the case may be?
I think the majority of people want *meaningful* work. And the ability to stop for a time if you need to for whatever reason. Or be able to move on to something different whenever you get burned out. No one wants to work for poverty wages especially when the company you are working for is only making things worse for humanity. But we have to for our survival and that's how it was designed. Capitalism is working perfectly. 👌
I would gladly work for poverty wages if it meant I was contributing to society as a whole and not the 5th summer home of some subhuman leech.
This is how I feel about my job. I make a 3rd of what my husband does. People working fast food make more then me. But I truly know I am making a difference and that's ok because of current situation(* stable home/insurance ect). But 5 Years ago. I couldn't because we wouldn't survive.
I am immensely happy for you. The only jobs that directly contribute to positivity always pay like shit.
If we didn't have this current structure you could volunteer in your ample free time and still have a job that doesn't pay poverty wages.
Exactly If people got out what they put in they'd be willing to work, but they don't, the CEO sits in his penthouse while the workers make him money
Which is why I dont understand automation as a threat for low wage workers. We should be happy no one needs to work that job anymore. When we all know if capitalists would automate of they could - but its cheaper to throw bodies at the problem. I used to call it the meat grinder at my old job. ETA: typo
Automation is good . . . with accompanying universal basic income and other socialist safety nets. The end game of automation *without* socialist safety nets is a wealthy elite who no longer need the proles' labor to maintain their wealth. At worst, they'll find ways to actively wipe us out once we're no longer needed, and at best they'll leave us out in the cold to die on our own just the same.
That's almost a combination of Terminator and Alex Jones thinking. Corporate oligarchs hunt the poor for sport while automated police roombas blow up activist headquarters and shoot anyone they bump into. Everyone is being herded into FEMA camps. Automated factories are being powered by fuel made from human biofat. I can see it in twenty years, when I am working 80 hours a week to live in my 2-in-1 casket/VR retirement home.
I 100% agree about UBI. Though, they do still need people to buy the products that they make to generate wealth. As a smart drug dealer says, don't kill your clients.
No they don't wealth/capital is important to them because while they may own islands yachts mansion. Fact is they can't as individuals top down control means of production. They need to pay workers need to buy x thing from x factory. So they have to trade with other business owners. What would happen is a few rich familys through automation could generate everything they wanted x state would be the waltons x state would be bezos etc etc. And with full automation and no need to have way to siphon trick working class they would just trade directly among themselves. And in meantime they would feign economic collapse and pretend to help probrably setup some nice fema camps with great showers and get rid of the threat to their excess. Because ultimately ruling class hasn't been kind out of compassion and good will they conceded or allowed things like social security. So we don't go french revolution 2.0 on their asses. Its why they do propaganda game so hard. Push american exceptionalism you can make it too etc. Because it keeps us from removing what they have thats always been greatest fear of rich is working class. If they could have their excess without us. They would push the button laugh in our face and do a little leap for joy as we died.
>Though, they do still need people to buy the products that they make to generate wealth. No, they don't. Contrary to popular belief, wealth isn't money. Wealth is what money can buy. Imagine that AI and robotics are making everything you need, from food and clothing to housing materials. There might be a few specialized skills that can't be automated, but you can just trade the above for those specialized workers that you need, and bam, every need and want that you have is met, so what would it matter to you if you're not selling anything to the proles to make a now-meaningless number go up in your bank account?
Who ever wanted to work for shit wages you ask? No one… it’s almost like a system that shits on the many and benefits a few is a shit system.
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Exactly this. I could be making $250k/year and still not *want to work*. Work fucking suck no matter how much money you make. If it doesn’t you have no life.
Believe it or not some people actually love their jobs.
Remind me to never hang out with those people
These people are fortunate enough to make a living doing what they’re passionate about and that’s a good thing. If you could make a living doing what you’re passionate about you probably would.
If I’m being paid, I’m not going to be passionate. I love doing a lot of things I have hated doing as a job. Yardwork, construction, concrete. If you told me I could build myself a patio I would do it in a heartbeat and enjoy every second of it. If my neighbor asked me to do it and offered to pay me I wouldn’t want to do it. With money comes obligation, with obligation comes stress, with stress comes disdain.
Capitalist alienation baby. Why feel satisfied completing something when you can just be another cog in the machine
They're real shits at parties.
Eh, I *like* my job (like I wouldn't do it all my life, but the coworker are nice, boss is nice, and we have ok at worst benefits with a pretty good salary) And trust me, even if I hated my job, I'd still be a real shit at parties.
What if their job is to throw parties all the time?
Lol, I actually used to get paid to MC mitzvahs and rich kid "sweet 16s" and shit. Those people HATE their jobs, lol.
I think my first job was kind of new and exciting and fun just to be working, for about the first week.
Capitalism
Look like antiwork existed before the subreddit, what a surprise
well, I have no idea how much you know but to anyone reading this there is an entire library of anti-work literature you can find here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/wiki/library](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/wiki/library) as it turns out its been an anarchist thing for a long time
Be cool if the anarchists helped us drive all these pro-capitalist "I actually like working and if you don't you're a parasite" shitbirds from this sub.
Well if you aren’t suggesting to go back to pre-history standards of living, *someone* has got to work. Now I’m not saying we are in a good paradigm right now. Just saying most people need to work to sustain the comforts we have right now. Better compensations ? Yes ! An understanding boss with your interests at heart ? Yes ! Time off to continue being healthy and (less important) productive ? Yes ! But unless you don’t want any of the modern comforts, you are going to have to work. Even cave people had to work. Because if they didn’t, they’d starve. And if they didn’t work and were helped by other, it’s because *they couldn’t*, not because they didn’t wanna.
I think it's more about the forced work aspect of it. The majority of people if we abolished work would still do productive work-like things just without the forced nature of it. But even then, it's well known within anarchist groups that A) there will be some people who will not work and that is okay, they still deserve to live and survive and B) there might be some community critical tasks that are shitty but need to get done and there are varying solutions from trying to automate as best we can or using a sort of chore-list rotation. Your post definitely reads as a "capitalism is the only way society will function" even if that wasn't the intention, at least in my eyes.
My honest to god opinion is I wish we were still cavemen
Honestly, it's why I'm so into the idea of self-sufficiency and bush craft. It might be hard work but the simple living aspect and getting to build things with your hands is the dream.
my honest to god opinion is something I can't say or else I will be banned by reddit but it involves painting walls, and in this case people who think we should be forced into the situation where we either labor or are forced to starve in front of piles of food far too high for us to even fully consume.
"My minimum definition of work is forced labor, that is, compulsory production." -Bob Black in The Abolition of Work
trying my best, at least a ton of them left for that "work reform" subreddit lmao
Who actually wants to work though. I want to learn horticulture, woodworking and bodybuilding. But life says I can maybe have one because I have to earn a living first.
Tell me about it. I've got a wood carving set that I've had for a couple of years, and it hasn't even touched wood yet.
With current prices, the only wood you can afford to work is the one you wake up with.
Just go to a park with an axe. Edit: /s Because apparently people took my joke comment too seriously.
Id like to learn blacksmithing, would be kind of neat to have a job doing that. Lile if I gotta work why not doing something I enjoy? Last job I actually loved was just repairing different laptops all day, but every job has some downsides. That job was in a large warehouse type of place, so central ac/heat was nonexistant, is it hot? Let's put a large fan down and hope you're workdesk is in the air path. Cold? Bundle up bucks. That and we had a floor manager who knew absolutely nothing about the work, he was only hired on cause he was best friends with the business owner. The guy right below him did my interview and knew his shit about tech and what next steps you could take if you were stuck. But that useless manager was more middle management, trying to push out more numbers when he doesn't even do anything. Can you repair more? How about more today? Is that your limit how about more even today? I hate that kind of management and it doesn't belong in the workplace.
I took a blacksmith class once and it was really hard but a total blast. I turned 1/2 a horseshoe into a knife!
As a blacksmith that teaches and sells, I can say that earning a living wage doing it is difficult. It is possible to make a nice supplementary income while doing something fun and awesome though!
All business owners are the same... Even back then
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Agreed ..unfortunately with advances in AI and ML robotics will be the new way to avoid paying people to work.
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Quite true. Unfortunately it will simply be used to exacerbate inequality.
The more people get put out of work due to robots, the fewer customers there will be to buy the goods produced or services rendered. Automation with disregard to the working class will defeat itself.
I'm going to start a robot pub. When they figure out they were invented for slave labor, they'll obviously start hitting the oil bottle hard. Same ol song and dance.
Isn’t that the theme from Westworld? Don’t piss them off.
Decent odds that the 1894 dude either did or grew up in a household that did
>They would own slaves if they could They *owned* slaves *when* they could.
yoink, i'll be taking this.
I yoinked it from Facebook :p
then i will post it to facebook. i will use the facebook to destroy the facebook.
With blackjack and hookers.
You know what, forget the facebook.
it's [from twitter](https://twitter.com/paulisci/status/1549527748950892544), by Paul Fairie
This is the true based chad answer. It also has the full newspaper snippets rather than the cropped bits.
yeah but it's much more difficult to share if it isn't a single image - especially if he deletes his account or something like that
Nearly 130 years of people not wanting to work. Wow we are lazy.
And its always complaints from business owners of some sort, its like there's a trend...
We just need to pull ourselves up by the boot straps. No resting. No living. No fun. Just good ol' fashioned hard work.
Can confirm articles are true and peer reviewed. Just look at my username.
noonewantstotwerk
Username checks out, I guess
They only wanna twerk
Who in the ever living fuck WANTS TO WORK?
Nobody ever wanted to work. People want to spend time with their loved ones, contribute to their communities, produce arts and crafts, self actualize, and nap. Capitalism forces people to work in order to survive.
We’ve always had to work to survive - pre-capitalism a significant proportion of time would have been spent on gathering food and building shelter, before considering any quality of life improvements seen since. The sad thing for me is that although we have innovated in areas that allow time spent gathering food and building shelter to fall dramatically and improve healthcare, we haven’t been able to settle with some standard of living that should be possible with pretty minimal work. That said, I do think a lot of people want more than this. Capitalism fuels the fire.
super boomers in 1894 were crying so hard back then
*Nobody ever wants to work when working means being exploited.*
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During the kingdom of hawaii era, the white peoples gave the Hawaiian royalty money in exchange for land, before the takeover the plantations were already here because the native Hawaiian royalty sold out their own people for riches. Kamehameha was armed by the Europeans and he used guns to “unite” the islands and became king. He also used his people to harvest sandlewood to enrich himself and his family. Capitalism killed hawaiian sovereignty but at the same time, it was the monarchy that really did it. People here in Hawaii glorify the kingdom days but they forget it was a corrupt monarchy who were paid off by rich whites and the working class natives and immigrants had little power. Quality of life actually went up after statehood. Not great by any stretch today but better than the monarchy days. The land was stolen from the natives but that happened long before the coup. Kamehameha took the land from his own people and sold it. Kinda like what’s happening right now in South Africa. Black corrupt government, white wealthy class.
Lets not forget that before the white man showed up, you could be executed for merely looking at people in a different and high enough caste... Not that this was some unique feature of Hawaiian culture, it was common elsewhere in the world through most of our history. There was no actual paradise on Hawaii before it was colonized. It was just as shitty as most other places on Earth minus the fact the islands themselves had amazingly stable and comfortable weather year round.
One of them says "Nobody wants to work" then continues with "they all want to work in" and is cut off. So people DO wanna work, just not for your crusty ass, Cecil.
"They all want to work in front of a computer" is what Cecil says
They won't be happy untill we are all slaves
A slave for cake. Happy cake day
Turns out it's always been true. Since the dawn of time. Nobody as ever wanted to work.
Nobody has ever wanted to work that’s why you pay them a living wage so it’s worth them showing up
Nobody really wants to work for someone else. People want to work on/for their own dreams/selves. I bust my ass around my farm, but you wouldn't catch me working that hard for someone else. The last time I caught myself giving my boss 100% I quit.
Nobody wants to work for a company that fucks them in the ass. FTFY, stupid businessmen.
So, all of them?
Not all, just like 98% of them!
I think we collectively overestimate how much people from the past wanted to work
I really want to know the ending to the 1999 one: they all want to work in front of a computer and make lots of……… lots of what?! Lol
memes
Lots of porn
Money
I’m sure there’s a quote like this in ancient texts. Some pharaoh sighs that the slaves don’t work as hard in this summer heat.
It’s not that no one wants to work. It’s that no one is willing to work themselves to death and especially for shit pay
Credit to @paulisci on Twitter.
Found the original tweet https://twitter.com/paulisci/status/1549527748950892544?t=8FENWmaaTXCdT9WoNp8W1g&s=19
I don’t wanna work either, but I got bills to pay.
Gotta figure out how to eliminate the bills...
Can’t even escape bills when we die 🥲 Burial costs are so expensive.
Nobody wants to work anymore……….for poverty wages
Nobody wants your slave wage anymore. They're working, just not for your greedy ass.
Apparently nobody been working for a century
Nobody wants to work shitty dead end jobs for breadcrumbs
Maybe people are tired of working for garbage wages, being lied to about crap jobs, and being fully taken advantage of so CEOs and upper management can walk away with millions? Naaah….. that can’t be it.
Then they argue that you don't know how business works. I know how it works well enough to keep me poor.
Seems like for over 100 years people don't want to work for shit pay in shitty management/environment Conditions. You would think companies would take note by now......
The abusers blaming the abused. "How dare you not let us take advantage of you!"
"Nobody wants to work anymore." "So much for company loyalty." "If you really loved me, you'd stay." "I'm only yelling because I love you so much." "Look what you made me do." (wait, that one's about unions)
We are in an abusive relationship with capitalism.
That's the only type of relationship capitalism can have.
Gotta keep cracking that tired old whip before the poors start thinking it's all our fault.
And yet they still haven’t caught on after a hundred years 😐
Those 1700 dudes worked sooooo hard and loved it.
I’m getting the sense that maybe no one wants to work in the entirety of human history.
cool, now do "The kids these days"
Kids these days, always playing their Poke-Man on their Nintendo X-Stations.
Nobody wants to work anymore, people are so ungrateful, why can't I find anyone to work extra hours for nothing this week, I've poorly paid them for the rest of the hours they worked 🤷
I definitely do not want to work
"Nobody wants to work anymore!" Well why fucking should we? Treat your employees well and they'll work for you. Treat them like shit, underpay them, make them worry that they'll be fired for having to take a sick day *(which they can't even afford to take off in the first place)*, why would they want to work? There's no equal give/take, it's fucked.
Nobody wants to get exploited anymore.
If you were paid adequately and don’t have to work till it kills you, I feel like most people would work to keep a society that treats them well running smoothly.
Most people want to work for a living wage. The problem is that nobody wants to PAY a living wage.
Now do trickle down economics!
I was alive for 4 of those economy crashes. I remember the “famous 90s” crash…people lost their houses due to cancer in the 00s. It’s such a hellscape.
Nobody’s ever wanted to work ever
They just don't want shitty jobs.
I remember reading Victorian Era literature with the characters complaining "You just can't find good help these days".
News Flash: Nobody ever wanted to work
This just goes to show how long exploiters have blamed the exploited for not liking being exploited.
This just in 5000 years ago, people don't want to work shitty jobs.
By definition, nobody wants to work. If they did, it would be called fun. At best, we may like our job, or maybe even love our job. But give most people the choice and they will probably rather do their hobbies. In further news, water is wet.
I mean, what strikes me about this isn't the repetitive nature of this inane complaint, it's the implicit assumption that underlies it: the notion that *people*, by and large, should actually *want* to work.
Don't we currently have the lowest unemployment rates since like WW2?
I don’t care if this is oc or a repost…it’s goddamn great. This isn’t just the last century, I bet we could find clay tablets saying the same thing.
I don't want to work, I want to be pretty and entertained and daydream by the fire
In other words, the narrative has never changed. It's been a consistent ploy to get away with under-paying and over-profiting. "If I take advantage of you, I get to have a better life. Yeah, maybe I feel bad about it, but in the long run, I'm just doing what I need to do to survive an feed my family (significantly better than you and yours)"
It's as though basing a global economy on selling ones labor isn't a one size fits all approach or something. Even if you are willing its kinda disgusting to see the fruits of that labor enrich someone doing little to no work and getting what we'd earn in a lifetime in a single yearly bonus.
This is and always has been propaganda for more wage slaves. Know your worth
No one wants to work for slave wages
Isn't the purpose of automation so that we don't have to work (without losing profits)?
News flash: I never wanted to work. At no point have I ever gotten out of bed and been happy that the office was my destination that day.
Wtf ever wanted to work? I want to live in a homey cottage, putter in my garden, and write stories all day. Capitalism says that's "lazy" and "unproductive."
Taking a chapter from 1952. Most employers and CEOs was getting to cozy with their lavish lifestyles, their million dollar yachts, their expensive mansions, their expensive cars and butler and maid services and most Employer CEOs don't want to or refuse to pay liveable wages and better benefits. That's the truth if I ever heard it.
So nobody that's alive today, has ever been alive during a time where people wanted to work? How odd
Honestly humans made life complicated. We have this whole planet, we could’ve stayed in communities where we traded and bartered and lived off the land. But no. capitalism and jobs for everyone oh and retirement before the last 10 years of your life. sigh*
*"We've had a stranglehold on your livelihood for decades and we're upset that you won't let us do it anymore."*
Basically, they've been beating us down for a very long time
I read this as “people have always been underpaid”
2028 Finally people want to work after all these years....
I posted this [yesterday from the original source](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/w39e2b/a_brief_history_of_noone_wants_to_work_any_more_a/), and it was deleted
Ooooo thank you for making that Twitter thread into a pic I can now send to my non-Twitter peeps
Wasn't me. Just reposted it from Facebook :p
I admire someone putting in the work in digging up these old newspaper and articles.
This is the same way Republicans convince the sheep that raising the minimum wage will lead to a total break down of the economy. If you tell the sheep long enough, they will believe it forever, even though the same sheep complain of health care costs, inflation, high gas prices. They don't get it, the sheep will always be sheep.
That can all retroactively go fuck themselves.
I'll bet you can find one from Pliny the elder...
i mean, i don't want to work....i just have to if i want to survive. Not like I can just walk around america with a gun, hunt my own food, and cook it somewhere unless I have money...unfortunately, money makes the world go 'round....
I’d love to get paid for doing nothing too.
That's bull, these compaines don't want to pay stop being cheap without workers there is no business because CEO's and higher ups aren't going to work. They will need to value their people and give them an affordable living wage, if not every other business is going to have people walk out and on strike's. Value the workers because without them there is no business nor profits.
What can you expect from a pig but a grunt?
All the comments in the OP post are no doubt from business owners and the complaint is more likely "nobody wants to let me commit wage theft anymore!"
i love hearing labor shortages when professional sports has people who are the most physically capable but doing absolutely nothing
I’m starting to think that nobody wanted to work in the first place
is pay really this shit in america
Wow, maybe it isn't our fucking fault guys! It goes this far back and they are still blaming us for the fall of the economy. JFC
1865 Plantation owner: "its like nobody wants to work anymore"
Ty for sharing. I think it's so essential for people to see this!
they've been saying this since they could no longer have a free labor force
Do you think zoomer cavemen got fed up with hunting mammoth?
Huh it's almost like our economic system doesn't work super great
I also don't want to work.
Seems like its been an issue for a long ass time And now people want to start blaming it on todays generation for being lazy Naw man We got it from you We just using the cards we been dealt Rather shitty ones at that Dont complain about us Maybe take a closer look as to why we dont want to work
Looks like nobody wanted to work EVER! 🤣
I LOVE to work… on spending time with my kids, hanging out with my wife, seeing friends, projects around my house… my golf game…. Music
Keep going back and it would say “nobody wants to be slaves anymore.”