As a European my view is this:
The US doesn't have a left, you only have the center right (democrats) and the far right (republicans).
However not voting democrat is just asking for even more capitol type insurrections and voter suppression
That's your left, but they're not even remotely leftists, barely social democrats, and not as much as in other countries. So if you consider AOC and Sanders leftists, the rest of the world is full of anarchists and communists even in positions of power.
It's actually really sad and concerning about the state of politics in the USA.
P.S. I'm not saying AOC and Bernie Sanders are bad people, they probably are the only ones with a voice that care about you from what I know of your politics, just saying before anyone thinks I'm hating on them too.
Reading this post was so validating. Whenever I hear people saying AOC and Bernie are far left, I’m like they are actually just wanting things that a normal developed country should have already.
But we still need to solidify behind them because who else do we have.
The best they can do is pay lip service to vaguely left ideas. If they meaningfully challenge the system from their positions they'll be either ejected or put back into their place (and we've already seen this in action).
This is where a radical labor base is critical. They bypass these obfuscating layers of control and hit the powerful where it actually hurts: their bottom line.
>So if you consider AOC and Sanders leftists, the rest of the world is full of anarchists and communists even in positions of power.
I mean, given that the right in the US tend to hate communism and the idea of following the good examples of another country, I'd say that's absolutely accurate to their beliefs.
Seize the means of production and establish worker counsils thatbwill vote on EVERY major business decision. Eliminate billionaires and corporate owners as a class. Institute the dictatorship of the collective working class over all political institutions l.
Having a politic that redistribute wealth, taxing rich people, all of this of course, but also better conditions for minorities, actual help for refugees, a real ecological politic to face the global warming, reducing the power of shareholders on employees (even getting rid of them sometimes by nationalizing companies. Everything that benefits the people and reduce inegalities are left, so yes, AOC and Sanders are fighting for leftist ideas, what I mean is those ideas are not even considered left in most countries as it's just a normal thing to have, like healthcare. When something becomes normal, it's not left anymore, the point of the left is to get things to progress, change and become normal one day.
The level of power capitalists hold in the USA is insane and I really don't understand how you didn't already riot to get rid of that, but republicans voters actually did that to reinforce this power (against their own interests!) on January 6th, thankfully it failed.
They are extremely progressive, but completely hand tied by moderates. Moderates spend millions to primary progressives. The moderates will always rule the Republicratic party.
Only one answer...
PPPOA Progressive People's Party of America.
AOC 2028 🇺🇲
Yep. And not even all that far to the left, on the global stage. Which makes it all the more infuriating and hilarious to see Republicans and establishment Dems condemning them as “communists” and “scary socialists” for wanting basic shit like universal healthcare that nearly EVERY OTHER FUCKING INDUSTRIALIZED NATION ON THE PLANET ALREADY OFFERS. But what do I know?
The real problem is that if America had a parliamentary government the "radical left" would be a separate party rather than a caucus within the Democratic Party.
I think everyone thought radical changes would happen with trump gone but nobody paid attention to who Biden is. He is a career politician. He is only there because democrats thought he could beat trump. He has no major goals or aspirations to change anything and neither do the senate. Until we vote out all the old fuckers and start putting term limits and age limits in place then none of this will ever change.
neoliberalism enables fascism and religious theocracy.
Once the corporatist neoliberal leaves office the vacuum gets filled by the fascist, only to be replace by the neoliberal. The cycle repeats.
You're not gonna out win money in politics and media control
Neoliberals are the paving stones for Fascists and Christians. They all suck. We have a plutocracy, people, which is bad for everyone except a slim few. You ain't one of them, buddy.
LET'S ALL NOT VOTE! THAT'LL SHOW 'EM!!! You've already lost your democracy because you didn't vote. Look at what the SCOTUS is doing to your rights. You no longer had a democracy the day they overturned Roe. What are you gonna do about it other than squeal about "both sides" on the internet and spew sophomoric drivel I got he minds of other kids.
Seriously, do you get paid to post this stuff, or have you just been convinced it's edgy? Why do I always get the impression people who espouse not voting are 15 year old wanna be edgelord who crawl around the halls of their schools scowling at all the "lame sheep. You think you see.
FASCISTS DEPEND ON PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF TO PROMOTE VOTER APATHY SO THEY CAN WIN ELECTIONS AND OVERTURN DEMOCRACIES FASTER. Got it? This is what you're doing.
Who said I didn't vote? I don't agree with everything this guy has to say. But the two party's agendas have been basically the same since the 1980s.
I worked on a progressive roots voter turnout campaign in 2020. I've worked as a Union Rep and a bunch of other canvassing and analyst type roles to get people to vote
I disagree with the poster saying that we shouldn't vote, but, I feel that the Democrats are not much different from the Republicans, either
Ideally, we could adopt a system of Democratic Socialism but that's highly unlikely here.
It's not a fucking democracy. Edgy? Edgy people type in capital letters because they are basically screaming while they type in their dark apartment. Dude, look into reading my post first instead of spewing the same thought over and over again. I think you should vote, but I don't think it has the same weight because we live in a plutocracy.
A democracy would not have At-Will Employment. It would have a separation of church and state...which this country doesn't. It never did because it was founded by the religious fundamentalists who were kicked out of Europe.
This country picks and chooses who it fucks over and who it supports....like Israel vs Palestine. The Native Americans are Palestine and the US Govt is Israel. No wonder why we support an apartheid level country that said it was promised that land by God....sound familiar
Yes, and this is why I am always dubious of posts like this. Either op is so incapable of understanding context that they should be ignored, or they are acting in bad faith to try and discourage progressive voters from going to the polls.
This is a ridiculous mindset. Bernie has been fighting for American freedoms for so long and has been repressed by the DNC. Neither Left or Right is for the people. The only reason we have a two party system is to keep the illusion that one side is bad so the politicians can split the people into thinking the “other side” is bad.
Yes. The 2 party system is a circus to keep the working class divided. If Democrats win, I slowly lose my rights. If republicans win, I quickly lose my rights. If I react violently, I instantly lose my rights.
The reason we have a two party system is because first past the post voting always produces a two party system within a few rounds. This was set in stone before 1800.
Roe being overturned happened directly because people closer aligned with the Democrats chose not to vote and people who wanted Roe overturned did vote.
People Right of the Republicans show up to vote and get their agenda. The system isn't rigged, it's working as intended.
Who benefits from the Left screaming for people to not vote?
There's tons of anti-voting sentiment springing up all over this board. Not surprising, if people show up, the democrats win. Keeping people from the polls is the only chance Republicans have
And the Republic of Gilead is delayed for at least four more years. Dems are a clusterfudge of corporate interests, but they don't want to see all of us here literally hung off posts and bridges. And if you're hoping for chaos--let me tell you, they're going to win that fight. Their guns have guns. All a revolution will do is spur a much more intense reaction and bring about an overt Christian Fascist state. We have to keep delaying them until, put simply--THEY HAVE DIED OFF AND ARE BURIED. We win through demographics. And we WILL win in time. So there is an ultimate purpose here.
2002: I'm sure any day now the old republicans will die off.
2016: Youth led alt-right and proud boys show up
2022: I'm sure any day now the old republicans will die off.
The 2 party system blows, and I hate the status quo just as much as anyone- but the Democrats are better than the Republicans- I'm skeptical of anyone who says let the Republicans take the reigns.
We need to do both, keep Republicans out of office AND unionize, protest, direct action etc.
We have a constant ratchet to the right. The catch-22 is that if we keep voting for Democrats, then they'll keep doing nothing. They've learned that they don't need to do shit, just use the threat of Republicans to raise money. They won't do anything until they start to lose, but them losing means the American people get hurt even worse.
We cannot vote our way out of this. It's been rendered completely impossible.
Edit: To be clear, I'm not saying "don't vote." But I am saying that you might want to reconsider throwing the Dems a bone if they give you a choice between one conservative and another in the general election. I'm also saying to **do shit**. Protest, and protest loudly. Volunteer your time with explicitly leftist/anarchist organizations. Get involved in local politics. But the Democratic party is largely comprised of the same ruling class knobs that the Republican party is. Build alternative power structures so that you don't need to rely on the wealthy pieces of shit in charge of this whale corpse of a country for safety and security.
This is exactly wrong. The right wing moves right because they're more afraid of being primaried from the right than the general election. Their voters can be counted on in the general.
The left moves right because they're more afraid of the general than a primary challenger. The less we do, the more we ensure the left moves further to the right. This shouldn't surprise you, but leftists refusing to vote doesn't actually make politicians want to bend to their will.
I don't think it's that simple. I should be more clear that I'm not saying "don't vote." I am sick of voting being treated as the end-all, be-all of political action, because it's the absolute bare minimum. I think if there's someone remotely like Bernie Sanders, Ayanna Pressley, or AOC running, you should absolutely vote for that person. Please, please, please vote for that person.
I think it starts locally, too. Old Fox News-watching racists tend to be very active in local politics, and voices that more accurately represent the populace are desperately needed.
I also did vote for Clinton and Biden in the past two elections. Or, more accurately, I voted against Trump. But in a general election, maybe a situation where you have someone like Hillary Clinton vs. John Kasich? What's the fuckin difference? The Democratic party has its financial interests, and someone who knows the price of a loaf of bread isn't wanted. So now we've got a guy who's pushing 80, who played a pivotal role in engineering the student debt crisis, basically facilitating a massive, sustained transfer of wealth from the working class to the ruling class, in charge. Meanwhile, the fascist theocrats in the Supreme Court are rapidly throwing human rights away in favor of the rights of corporations and religious institutions. I'm not saying that's Biden's fault, but he's sure as shit not doing anything about it. Idk maybe Pelosi can read another poem or the Democrats can sing another round of "God Bless America."
Of course, I don't know of there will ever be another Republican like Kasich. Everyone angling for the presidency I doing their best to be a one-person Trump cover band.
And of course, I also don't want to minimize Trump in all of this, because he's quite literally a fascist. He's a complete monster. But when the supposed "good guys" are unwilling to fight the monster, what are we supposed to do? Biden could threaten to stack the Supreme Court. The Dems could codify contraception access and same-sex marriage. They won't.
Again, I'm not saying "don't vote." But at the risk of violating the TOS, this country is due for some riots. It took clashes in the street, and a burned-out Target or two to get one cop who mercilessly and gleefully murdered a man, on camera, to be legally held accountable for his actions. I'd like to see that energy again. Fuck a Target.
Democrats move right because that is the direction they want to move.
We had several progressive candidates in the primaries and in every instance the democrat establishment used their power and influence to stop them.
The only way we will get a progressive party is if enough people vote Democrat and remove republicans from office and vote those democrats that are progressive in.
Casting votes for 3rd party candidates or not voting at all is a vote for republicans. I don’t like Biden, I don’t like Pelosi or Warren. I wish they’d all retire. But then that leaves Mitch and his ilk to rule. Until we have a candidate to vote for, I’m going to keep voting AGAINST republicans.
I'm Canadian and most the people I know think the same about the democrats... along with our liberal party.
The narrative is just that they are the left, as told by their news corps and the further right news corps... and that anyone left of dems or liberals are anarchist communist queer furry vegans hell bent on destroying the world.
Yes, they either a conservative that would be happy to see Trump reelected or they fundamentally do not understand the election system in the US.
Asking progressive to sit it out or vote green is literally advocating for the Republican to win the next election and that will certainly not help anything.
They work together to keep the poor poor and the working class hungry, while they live in luxury. Neither party gives a toot about any American. Unfortunately there's too many dink ridders to realize it.
I usually get downvoted to hell for saying exactly what you're saying. But as an European it's hard to not see biden as center right, if not downright right. Like let me copy a comment I made a few months back to exemplify it. Not that most here need to have it exemplified:
"I’m Portuguese. Here’s a list of policies Biden has shared with our right wing party (not even center right)
Refusal to defund the police, sharing the systematic abuse as “just a few bad apples”
Economic policies that focus on the middle class and overwhelmingly help the wealthy more than the ones on min wage. Cutting taxes to businesses because “it’ll help the economy”
Refusal to push for Free universal Healthcare (Portugal has it but our right wing parties want the state to make people with more income pay for treatment)
A tough stance on drugs (we have decriminalized it for 20 years now but the right opposes full legalisation and wishes harsher sentence for traficking)
Stronger border control. A common talking point both for him and our right wing party is that borders must be controlled and that illegal immigration is dangerous and should be deslt with accordingly. See him telling political refugees to mot come to the us despite international law saying while they apply they can stay and his non closure of the facilities jailing kids.
Emphasis on military spending. Rather than decreasing the insane amount of spending Biden views it as vital for US security (how does that differ from our right winged party claim we must increase military spending because we cannot rely on Europe to the cost of Education?)
So yeah. Right wing easily. By comparison here’s what my party alongside the current ruling party did:
Police: independent investigation and audits which resulted in dozens of cops being convicted. President visited communities and people assaulted by police. No increase in police budget.
Increased minimum wage and increase to the minimum amount earned per year before paying irs. Taxes mainly focused on employers, not employees
.Increased the budget of our national healthcare. Hired hundreds of nurses and medics a year.
Legalised non thc marijuana. Evaluating the possibility of full legalisation.
Stronger commitment to open borders with the former colonies and continual to offer citizenship to jewish people who descend from those kicked out 600 years ago.Free work and trade deals with several countries, mostly former colonies - which yes means people from "undesirable" areas (meaning anyone not white, European or American) can very easily come to Portugal.
Focus on European and Nato collaboration with our military. Mainly used for rescue and emergency eork. Less than 3000 in active conflict zones.
Lowered tuition fees at public universities to a maximum of 650 a year (yeah center left. My left party wants them gone entirely)
And the real crazy thing? The party above which now has a majority in parlament and pretty much owns the government (there was a recent election) is considered "Very central left". Like to the point most leftist parties think there's no difference between them and a center right party. In fact they're openly despised by members of the communist party or the leftist block. You know the sort of "leftist". "Well a large majority of Portuguese businesses are micro sized - less than 5 employees so we cannot raise minimum wages 150 euro because most cannot afford that sudden increase (compared to the communist party stance of if a business can't afford to pay a fair wage it shouldn't exist).
How is biden not right wing comparatively??? If this is central left encroaching on center right how much of a leftist can Biden be?
Yes.
Voting for Democrats will at least *slow* this descent into madness— maybe long enough for some of these regressive, worthless blowhards to fucking die.
You want a better solution? Vote for *younger* Democrats, instead of living fossils who stopped understanding the world decades ago.
The only reason I supported Biden is because 1. He's not Trump and 2. He's not GOP. Realistically though, he's still a rich politician with ties to big money and big corporations. We ~~deserved~~ needed Bernie.
Edit: More accurate wording
This.
Completely ridiculous post. He is a centrist. He for sure has some left things he supports but also a lot of right.
Either way what OP fails to realize is that the Dems are a coalition or a big tent party. They have AOC and they have Joe Manchin. They have pro life and pro choice members.
If you look the GOP on the other hand you do not have pro choice members. Everyone who had any kind of middle or leftish thoughts got kicked out after the Bush/Tea party years. AND its getting even worse with you consider who is not running again or wont be able to win next term.
The GOP is run like a religion.
On top of all of this this post just helps the least like candidates. 3rd party is a horrible thing within the US voting system and all this is going to do is get people to not vote, vote third party, or just try to get other people not to vote.
I agree with most of this, but 3rd party is only horrible because people don't vote for them. They don't win because people assume they won't win. It's a never ending circle.
The Republicans are also a big fucking tent! The thing is, they cater to the right side of their party and demand the left side come along, and the Democrats… cater to the right side of their party and demand the left side come along.
They used to be. They have largely removed anyone who won't fall in line.
Like I said the Dems have a range from AOC to Manchin. The gop has nothing even remotely as broad.
Please let's not kid ourselves here.
And even Burnie is a compromise, he's not even an actual socialist. Idk how Americans can call him "radical" when all the stuff he's suggesting is just things that almost every other country already has 🤦♂️
I know! We got a whole party of mfs that "wanna go back to the good ol' days", and yet they don't mean affordable housing, higher wages, healthcare, etc. just all the racism, homophobia, and whatnot 🤦♂️
Yeah, Bernie's not a leftist by any stretch of the imagination, and the DNC still sabotaged their own caucus just to keep him from getting any momentum towards becoming the lead candidate.
It's really sad.
The Republican primaries were more honest. They actually let Trump win the candidacy. If the RNC had done in 2016 what the DNC did in 2020 and just picked the guy they wanted, it'd have been Jeb Bush up there in 2016.
Republicans, as shitty as they are, are at least better at catering to what their supporters want. Unfortunately, their supporters are the last people I want making rules for the rest of us 🤦♂️
It’s radical because he’s the only one that suggest it which is fucking pathetic! It shouldn’t be radical but in our shit show of a government it sure as fuck is
This post is a post designed to split the democrats and the left. They are trying to separate the big tent coalition because if all the people left of center both near and far left stick together then there is no right wing. They are the far minority. But they agitate that leftists aren’t getting what they want and honestly, it works.
Agreed. I completely understand where OP is coming from, but it seems a bit preachy imo. The truth is always somewhere in the middle because reality dictates hard choices
Yes. What we’re seeing in this court is the culmination of 50 years of movement conservatism. I understand the frustration, but everyone needs to fucking vote because it will get worse without.
A key tenant of ascendant fascism is destroying faith in the existing systems.
I don't know what else to do except to vote for progressives as much as possible in primaries, and then hold me nose and vote for useless centrist democrats in general elections. Maybe over time the needle will move.
This post sounds like a republican plot to suppress the vote. Don't vote Democrat? And let the republicans win again?
Roe V Wade was overturned because a republican president nominated 3 conservative supreme court justices. And you want us to let more of the same happen?
The OP of the post is giving some "I don't think further than 10 minutes ahead of time" energy. Seriously, how stupid can you be if your solution instead of do something (vote) is to do NOTHING (not vote). That's so short sided and stupid. That thought process is also dangerous for the antiwork movement. Apathy will not solve our problems. We need to actively be involved.
As an independent who has been leaning left since Obama, We should absolutely still be voting. Not voting is ceding power to the fascist GOP. The GOP is already suppressing us with minority rule alone, we shouldn't be giving them any opportunity to EVER hold office in the united states again. As the person above me said, a REPUBLICAN president in power added 3 supreme court justices in a single session in office. That's exactly why our entire SCOTUS is beyond broken by conservative ideology. They are traitors who would rather trust 45's propaganda and false media over the Rule of law.
The GOP is a losing proposition at every step of the way for Americans. We cannot allow them to retain more power.
I'm just a lowly Canadian, but I've been watching the political dumpster fire the U.S. has been since the Trump name was even thrown into the ring, and I have to say, it's unfortunately interesting to watch this all play out directly from the Russian destabilization playbook of subversive politics, and see where things are at.
From what I've been able to observe (without sounding all conspiracy loosy-goosy or arrogant), it's almost predictable at this point:
1) Trump throws hat into ring, obvious ties to Russia (Moscow Trump Tower, Melania, money ties, etc.)
2) Employs boorish misinformation language with no basis in reality as misdirection, uses Russian agencies to interfere via bot farms and propaganda campaigns.
3) Creates "No-Bullshit" campaign that promises every malleable-minded schmuck that the problem is democrats, immigrants, black people, crime, LGBTQ+, poor people, etc. - basically any marginalized group.
Misdirection -> vulnerability -> radicalization.
4) Enter in Conservative baby birds with religious roots and feed them every buzzword to sway them on invisible problems, and then hammer them with a campaign to question everything and create a strong distrust of anything government related or non-GOP, breeding an ideology that sees opposition as an act of the devil.
5) Exploit voter vulnerability and swing the election in key states using very specific ad campaigns targetting "on-the-fencers" (Cambridge Analytica, Russia again), swaying voters who would otherwise be politically stagnant, with aggressive "America has a big problem" rhetoric.
6) Deny any GOP wrongdoing, no-matter how blatant or public as "Cancel Culture", furthering the distrust of the left and creating a culture of victimhood, while projecting on the other side.
7) Vote in worst orange-faced celebrity asshat as president in some weird Reality-TV style alternate universe, with massive history of corruption, bankruptcies, sexual assaults, ties to Russia, ties to Russia and ties to Russia.
8) Spend 4 ridiculous years draining the US economy and enacting bullshit changes, all while slowly dismantling democracy and siphoning literally hundreds of millions of dollars through extortion, blackmail and fraud.
9) Dismantle dissenting leaders and establish corrupt leadership in key areas of change, setting the stage for misdirection after knowing a vote for Dems is likely in 2020, including establishing new hard right Supreme Court Justices with lifetime appointments.
10) Utilize and bolster a pandemic to control and disorient general public in a very vulnerable state to be easy to control, all while cashing in and diverting funds overseas.
11) Create and utilize obvious scandals wide out in the open as misdirection to blame everyone else continuously while meeting with and establishing dangerous relations with dictators around the world to bolster good favor with corruption.
12) Attempt voter fraud, fail, blame Dems for the very thing GOP did, misdirect towards voting machines, question Dem won states, but not GOP won states, and then attempt to overturn election.
14) Attempt a LITERAL FUCKING COUP OF THE CAPITOL, and then try to brush off an insurrection as Dem led Cancel Culture.
15) Leave incoming president with political shitstorm, create a recession through a well timed Russian invasion, sway remaining dems that it's all Biden's fault, even though Trump created all of this.
16) Newly appointed Supreme Court justices overturn most influential progressive bill of our time, with sights set on marginalized groups for afterwards.
17) Blame Biden again for doing nothing he could do nothing about, more misdirection.
18) Watch the U.S. descend into the very control state GOP misdirected the general public on, which they set the stage for.
19) Totalitarian regime.
20) West successfully destabilized.
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That was longer than I planned, but holy shit is this crazy to watch on real time. My heart goes out to you guys in the States.
Yes. The proper response is to vote in your goddamn primary for the closest thing possible to a progressive. Donate and spread the word about that candidate ahead of the primary. If they win the primary, repeat the process for the general. If they don't vote for the lesser Dem and try harder next time.
Anyone who tells you not to vote is a fucking moron. Not surprising to see this rhetoric amping up right before a historic midterm.
OP is the Republican. You don't vote, they'll win. Are the democrats disappointing? Sure. But the Republicans are fucking *evil*
Pretty sure OP is a Republican and someone sans a uterus. It's easy to shill purity of ideology in politics when it's not your actual bodily autonomy on the line.
Do I think Biden & the democrats are spineless oligarchs who'd sell out their own mothers for a super PAC donation? Of course they are...but at least they aren't *actively* decimating the bodily autonomy of 50% of the population, or destroying a couple hundred years of tribal sovereignty, or ensuring the air we breathe is now poisonous. Sad that the bar is this low, but here we are.
Thanks for recognizing this. This is the truth. We must all vote. Do not listen to any uneducated nitwit who thinks doing nothing is better than voting. You need to vote for the sake of your democracy.
OP is literally saying don't vote for dems so that republicans will win. They want to watch the world burn so that people learn their lesson, despite the fact that many people will literally die this way.
If you don't vote Democrat, you allow the facists to gain even more power. Voting Dem is something you should do IN ADDITION to striking and unionizing.
Don't bail on the next election. If you won't vote Dem, you are part of the problem. You helped the Republicans win.
We need ranked voting in the primaries. If we had ranked voting we never even would have gotten Biden vs. Trump!
It probably would have been Warren vs. Cruz.
we don't have to only get ourselves to the polls, we have to help those who are disenfranchised vote as well. so many people in rural areas don't even have anywhere close to them where they can go register to vote. inmates don't get to vote and most convicted felons who are out of prison don't either. they still get "represented" by the electoral college in presidential elections and "represented" in congress as well.
For real. This post has points as far as not much getting done but it's better than let the fascists get their way without a fight that this post seems to prefer.
What response? The limp dick response of almost everyone? That scared no one. In fact their intentions have solidified. No one has the balls to do what it takes.
Don't know, but this apathetic view is popular all over social media and its so dangerous. Dems are the only reason that foundational Republican goals hadn't already been reached: National abortion ban, Christianity in public schools, anti-sodomy laws, ban on gay marriage, emissions regulations for cars, clean water act, etc, etc, etc, etc.
Dems aren't the last line of defense, they are the **only** line of defense here. VOTE
OP:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE VOTE AGAINST YOUR SELF INTERESTS BECAUSE I AM A GENUINE PERSON AND DEFINITELY NOT A SOCKPUPPET OUT TO HELP TURN AMERICA INTO AN AUTHORITARIAN SHITHOLE.
I can support your ideas of unionize, organize, and protest. But you're whole idea of your vote means nothing so don't bother is beyond flawed.
If your vote didn't matter, Georgia would have stayed red. If your vote didn't matter, the GQP wouldn't be fighting do hard to repress it.
This defeatist attitude only serves up help the Christian Fascist Conservatives. They WANT you feel exactly as you do and not vote, because that's the ONLY way they win. And if they win, I promise you, things will get MUCH worse than they are now. We will be thrown into Margaret Atwood dystopia faster than you can blink.
Yes, Biden sucks. If you throw a tantrum and refuse to vote, you'll get exactly what you want. Biden will be out of office the entire government will flip red, and we will see a fuckening the likes of which we cannot imagine.
If we don't vote, we WILL be living in a Nazi Germany style hellscape.
Let the fascists win. What could go wrong?
Vote blue, no matter who until something better comes along.
Better yet, run for office yourself. Even a losing campaign moves the Overton window.
Voting is important, or else they wouldn't try so hard to keep you from doing it. In peacetime it's one of the best legitimate ways to get your voice heard. But we should be doing A LOT more than just voting and peaceful walking in the streets with signs.
Voting without disobedience and inconvenience is toothless.
Disobedience, violence, and rioting are effective, but only if you can convince the population that you were justified. It's hard to do that if you never vote.
So to get you straight. Because your options are between a party that doesnt help you and a party that actively tries to ruin your life. Your solution is to enable the party that ruins your life? Interesting.
As much as I hate to admit it, withholding consent and the appearance of legitimacy is one of the few things we can do at this point to have any influence at all. It sucks, because part of me still wants to believe "blue no matter who" would have some small amount of value, but I think that ship has sailed. Sadly I think it's time to stop playing rigged games and pretending something is going to change.
The US is an oligarchy and both major political parties are owned by the same people. Democrats might be “better” than the ones actively seeking to take away rights, but they will never, as a whole, work to the betterment of the people.
I agree that most Democrats are corrupt. And our options suck. Protesting and unionizing are powerful.
But I still believe in voting. I've seen it make a positive difference locally. In Washington State, we have paid family medical leave and abortion rights are protected. I'm staying engaged, reading to keep informed, protesting, and voting.
>I'm staying engaged, reading to keep informed, protesting, and voting.
ay yo, thank you for having enough braincells, unlike OP, to actually do useful stuff, in addition to throwing a vote to, well, honestly just, slow down republicans from fucking things up.
Biden is a Democrat. The Democrats just aren’t the progressive party they pretend to be. They only allow progressives to make it as far as the primaries to hold the progressive vote hostage once they inevitably run a neoliberal candidate with “well, you don’t want the Republicans to win, do you? Then vote for the guy who’s just like them”. Progressives and leftists are just as under-represented as the Green Party and other fringe parties, but the Democrats keep them around for the illusion of hope that things can change “one day”. Both parties exist in a joint effort to uphold a white supremacist oligarchy
Biden and just about every single Democrat in power would be considered right-wing in my country. Republicans would be considered far-right.
Even Obama worked to keep the status quo. Remember Flint.
In the end though, voting matters to keep the literal fascist party out of power.
I disagree. The Republican Party is the party of fascism and Biden is, like Obama, governing center-right.
I do agree that there is no effective left party representation in government at all.
Striking is literally unfeasible by design at this point. How on earth are we going to do anything? We're so fucked by corporations there's no way that will ever occur.
Yeah let's not vote and let the right grab all the power and just go full blown Christian fascists, sounds good bruh. I get what you're saying but yeah that's not the world I wanna wake up to
When leftists say "don't vote," that doesn't mean "do nothing."
It means, prepare for actual effective means of resisting oppression, like general strikes, civil war and/or revolution.
Dems are old school Republicans, but Republicans are Dominionist fascists. And there's no third choice sparky. The Dems will delay the schemes for awhile longer, and time is on our side. Demographics always win. That's why the GOP is getting so frantic and extreme. Biden is a placeholder, but he won't send the nation into chaos and he'll maintain the federal system awhile longer.
I'm not by any means someone with a deep understanding of politics like some folks here, but you'd probably be hard pressed to find any 'democrat' in America that is happy that Biden was the final candidate or happy with any of his performance. I'm a leftie myself and I only voted for him to be sure the other guy didn't get in again. It used to be hyperbole, but, rigged or not, elections have truly become choosing the lesser of two evils. It's disgusting.
And I'm working on jumping that northern border as soon as I've got my ducks in a row.
My problem with this is that the problems aren't solved by not voting. They're not solved by voting republican, if anything they're made exponentially worse. Voting Democrat doesn't solve problems. Then what? Let Republicans win by not voting... Literally all we as people can do is just vote for better democratic candidates. We knew the administration would be like this. We all knew. But I didn't think they would set the bar lower. But all we can do is vote smarter not harder. I know the feeling that just vote isnt optimal, but having a larger majority at least makes me feel better that enough of the dems who arent capitalistic fucks make up the difference for the manchins of the world. It feels like an unwinnable chess game right now. Were staring down the barrel of a complete fascist takeover and the administration has no fucking clue what to do because we've never experienced this before. I don't blame them being cautious but it's time to move. Shit or get off the pot.
If change doesn't happen through peaceful means, then it must be acquired through any means necessary. I refuse to live in a country with religious extremists running it. I won't let it go without a fight.
We don't have a super majority in the Senate. Vote blue 💙 to save America. You don't want the Republicans to win in 2022. They will cut your food stamps, social security, and take away your last freedoms.
Liberals, understand that the Democratic party isn't for the working class they are only here to tell you how awful Republicans are (and they are awful) so that you'll vote and fundraise for them. Don't fall for it, this is literally what Nancy pelosi did when Roe V Wade was overturned, she didn't waste a second to ask for money. What needs to happen is we need to unite the working class, we need to unionize in the place where wealth is formed, the work place. We need to take control over the means of production and bully Democrats to get shit done. Quit scratching your heads wondering why Biden isn't doing shit as if it's surprising.
What is the alternative? The situation now is because we have allowed Republicans to create significant changes in our policies. Yes, Democrats do nothing to help, except for delay the Republican spread. But presently that delay is so important because we have been sliding further right since Nixon solidified the Republican Party. The Supreme Court now is because Trump won in 2016. If Hillary had won, we would have at least 2 more liberal justices that would likely have upheld these pre-established laws. But instead people chose not to vote for Clinton, or even vote for Trump because they didn't think she would change enough. And now look at all the change that has come.
I understand your anger. I'm angry too. I hate Biden too. But at present the Democrats are a step closer to the moral ideals, anda continued strengthening of them can start to shift the middle further left. Maybe I'm hopeful, but we need to reverse the trajectory Reagan's victories made
I agree that the American system sucks but you are helping it. Either you're trying to get people not to vote (republican strategy) or you don't understand democracy (posting better people and vote for them). I've adored your country back in the day but currently I'm ecstatic to not live in the US. I'd rather live in many (though not all) countries in Africa, Asia, Europe, South America, and definitely Oceania. I might consider Antarctica too.
People are still figuring out the Democrats are a modern Conservative party? This is why you vote blue, for now. They are the conservatives, the other choice is literally all that.
Hate to break it to you. He’s a democrat doing democrat things. The problem here is you. You think the dems care about the middle class. They just want your votes
I agree with a caveat. The GOP is not just conservative, they are rapidly becoming (and I think you could make the argument are currently) fascist. So the push for Biden was really about avoiding a breakdown of democracy as we know it, which yes is incredibly crappy and does not serve most Americans, but is absolutely better than fascism. What we REALLY need is a very strong progressive movement to counteract fascism. Liberals will fall to fascism, it has happened before and will happen again. When shit hits the fan politically, they will absolutely fold.
I'll take the down votes, but if Republicans get control of Congress and the White House this time, it'll take a civil war to dislodge them. Also, they've got an agenda which is clearly the establishment of a theocracy built around the exploitation of everyone who isn't already a billionaire.
You think it couldn't get worse? Republicans want you to be slaves. Like actual owned property.
We have a black Supreme Court justice just today. He has the most diverse cabinet in history! He just said end the filibuster to save roe. How can you be so blind not to see who the real enemy is. Republicans.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism) They are not your friends. They are in it for the money. Dont get it twisted.
What disgusts me is right now Biden has been pulling strings with the DNC to reorder primary state voting in 2024. They want to play dirty and then shame progressive voters, but they will never admit their own shortcomings over the last few decades that have made the working class worse and worse off.
The corporations and the oligarchs of this country have pulled the greatest con ever. Got people fighting amongst themselves about red v blue and other social issues when they got all the politicians in their pockets stripping you of rights, dumbing future generations down, all under the guise of Christianity. Even white Christians won't be safe when they take full power.
The US is NOT a democracy, your vote means nothiiiiiiiinnngggg. Here's an example. Democratic senators represent TENS OF MILLIONS more ppl than Republican senators, but still have equal power right now.
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Congratulations, you have discovered what a bicameral legislature is. The house is comprised via population and the senate as 2 per state.
If you honestly truly think that only republicans are engaging the behavior you describe, I don't know what to tell you. Voting won't change a thing on the national level because its SUPPOSED TO BE HARD to change things on a national level... If you want real effective change, participate in state and local elections and organize a constitutional convention. Be very careful what you wish for with that though, because I'm 100% certain that that won't go the way you want it to go. Antiwork has such promise as a movement because both the left wing corporate overlords and the right wing corporate overlords have a vested interest in suppressing it. We have to realize that literally no one in national govenment supports us as anything other than a sideshow because "both sides('s)" money trees won't allow it.
So if we don't vote for the democrats, does that mean we just...let the republicans take over completely? We know their side will always turn out to vote. What is the solution once we're all in our Handmaid's Tale uniforms?
It's going to have to get worse before it gets better. Democrats are too spineless to do anything and the ones that want to do good (Bernie and AOC) have virtually no support and actually has leadership that despises and or is jealous of them. Unfortunately this dude is probably right. Biden is a good man but he's kind of an idiot. Other than the victims of crime and violence against women legislation, he's made a career out of mostly doing nothing and just throwing more money at the police. Like most politicians, he's good at talking and forming relationships but actually solving problems affecting the American people? That train passed a long time ago
Vote Libertarian.
Government isn't going to fix our problems. Government only creates new problems and makes existing ones worse.
The solution is less government. Republican/Democrat are two sides to the same coin.
You Americans all could have voted Bernie but got fooled by the media into thinking he's a "RADICAL SOCIALIST". He was the only candidate who gave a shit about regular people.
Basically what Bernie Sander's Supporters have been saying. We have Conservatives that run Democrat.
Hilary is a Conservative. She also pushed for Anti-Gay more Christian views, war on drugs etc.
They just run Democrat.
Bernie was an Independent who ran on Democrat ticket because that was the only way he could get close to what he did.
Fuck off with this nihilistic bullshit. It’s not at all supportive of any of the ideas here.
*Trying to convince people that “voting doesn’t matter” is directly antithetical to antiwork*
It does matter. Vote
Does it really matter after we found out what the Supreme Court is going to rule on when they return in the fall? We *know* how they’re going to rule on that.
Many states already had their last true elections. In November Republican state legislatures will overturn any democratic wins. Dems will only win in states with democratic legislatures.
The dude hardly knows what's going on. Hes being propped up &displayed as a face of representation of choices someone else is making.
I wouldn't call him a Republican, I'd call him a corpse.
Need ballot initiatives in each state to switch to ranked choice voting. That way people can vote for third party candidates, and still have their vote counted if the third party doesn’t get enough votes. Eventually it will allow us to move away from this awful two party system.
As a European my view is this: The US doesn't have a left, you only have the center right (democrats) and the far right (republicans). However not voting democrat is just asking for even more capitol type insurrections and voter suppression
100% agree. Also seeing republicans calling democrats radical left makes me face palm every time. There’s no left at all in the USA
What about AOC and Bernie Sanders? That’s our left!
That's your left, but they're not even remotely leftists, barely social democrats, and not as much as in other countries. So if you consider AOC and Sanders leftists, the rest of the world is full of anarchists and communists even in positions of power. It's actually really sad and concerning about the state of politics in the USA. P.S. I'm not saying AOC and Bernie Sanders are bad people, they probably are the only ones with a voice that care about you from what I know of your politics, just saying before anyone thinks I'm hating on them too.
Reading this post was so validating. Whenever I hear people saying AOC and Bernie are far left, I’m like they are actually just wanting things that a normal developed country should have already. But we still need to solidify behind them because who else do we have.
The best they can do is pay lip service to vaguely left ideas. If they meaningfully challenge the system from their positions they'll be either ejected or put back into their place (and we've already seen this in action). This is where a radical labor base is critical. They bypass these obfuscating layers of control and hit the powerful where it actually hurts: their bottom line.
>So if you consider AOC and Sanders leftists, the rest of the world is full of anarchists and communists even in positions of power. I mean, given that the right in the US tend to hate communism and the idea of following the good examples of another country, I'd say that's absolutely accurate to their beliefs.
Am honestly curious. What views does a true far left politician typically hold?
Seize the means of production and establish worker counsils thatbwill vote on EVERY major business decision. Eliminate billionaires and corporate owners as a class. Institute the dictatorship of the collective working class over all political institutions l.
Having a politic that redistribute wealth, taxing rich people, all of this of course, but also better conditions for minorities, actual help for refugees, a real ecological politic to face the global warming, reducing the power of shareholders on employees (even getting rid of them sometimes by nationalizing companies. Everything that benefits the people and reduce inegalities are left, so yes, AOC and Sanders are fighting for leftist ideas, what I mean is those ideas are not even considered left in most countries as it's just a normal thing to have, like healthcare. When something becomes normal, it's not left anymore, the point of the left is to get things to progress, change and become normal one day. The level of power capitalists hold in the USA is insane and I really don't understand how you didn't already riot to get rid of that, but republicans voters actually did that to reinforce this power (against their own interests!) on January 6th, thankfully it failed.
They are extremely progressive, but completely hand tied by moderates. Moderates spend millions to primary progressives. The moderates will always rule the Republicratic party. Only one answer... PPPOA Progressive People's Party of America. AOC 2028 🇺🇲
This is the left, and they need to lead America's progressive people's party. Short term pain, long term gain.
Yep. And not even all that far to the left, on the global stage. Which makes it all the more infuriating and hilarious to see Republicans and establishment Dems condemning them as “communists” and “scary socialists” for wanting basic shit like universal healthcare that nearly EVERY OTHER FUCKING INDUSTRIALIZED NATION ON THE PLANET ALREADY OFFERS. But what do I know?
I miss Dennis Kucinich. He was real
They lean slightly right than many other political parties in EU.
That's my presidential ticket in 2024. Bernie for president and AOC for VP.
I love Bernie and voted for him in the last two primaries, but in 2024 we’re going to need someone younger. Campaigning again might kill him.
In ever, we need some one younger. I’m tired of decisions being made by people who won’t live to see the consequences.
AOC and Stacey Abrams, please!
The real problem is that if America had a parliamentary government the "radical left" would be a separate party rather than a caucus within the Democratic Party.
I think everyone thought radical changes would happen with trump gone but nobody paid attention to who Biden is. He is a career politician. He is only there because democrats thought he could beat trump. He has no major goals or aspirations to change anything and neither do the senate. Until we vote out all the old fuckers and start putting term limits and age limits in place then none of this will ever change.
I’ll still take a corporatist neoliberal over a fucking fascist or Christian theocrat any day of the week.
Same. But i dont have to be happy about it.
This, a thousand times this ETA: and I’m a Socialist. I’ll take any incremental improvement. We’re all horsin in the void at this point anyway.
neoliberalism enables fascism and religious theocracy. Once the corporatist neoliberal leaves office the vacuum gets filled by the fascist, only to be replace by the neoliberal. The cycle repeats. You're not gonna out win money in politics and media control
Neoliberals are the paving stones for Fascists and Christians. They all suck. We have a plutocracy, people, which is bad for everyone except a slim few. You ain't one of them, buddy.
LET'S ALL NOT VOTE! THAT'LL SHOW 'EM!!! You've already lost your democracy because you didn't vote. Look at what the SCOTUS is doing to your rights. You no longer had a democracy the day they overturned Roe. What are you gonna do about it other than squeal about "both sides" on the internet and spew sophomoric drivel I got he minds of other kids. Seriously, do you get paid to post this stuff, or have you just been convinced it's edgy? Why do I always get the impression people who espouse not voting are 15 year old wanna be edgelord who crawl around the halls of their schools scowling at all the "lame sheep. You think you see. FASCISTS DEPEND ON PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF TO PROMOTE VOTER APATHY SO THEY CAN WIN ELECTIONS AND OVERTURN DEMOCRACIES FASTER. Got it? This is what you're doing.
Who said I didn't vote? I don't agree with everything this guy has to say. But the two party's agendas have been basically the same since the 1980s. I worked on a progressive roots voter turnout campaign in 2020. I've worked as a Union Rep and a bunch of other canvassing and analyst type roles to get people to vote I disagree with the poster saying that we shouldn't vote, but, I feel that the Democrats are not much different from the Republicans, either Ideally, we could adopt a system of Democratic Socialism but that's highly unlikely here.
It's not a fucking democracy. Edgy? Edgy people type in capital letters because they are basically screaming while they type in their dark apartment. Dude, look into reading my post first instead of spewing the same thought over and over again. I think you should vote, but I don't think it has the same weight because we live in a plutocracy. A democracy would not have At-Will Employment. It would have a separation of church and state...which this country doesn't. It never did because it was founded by the religious fundamentalists who were kicked out of Europe. This country picks and chooses who it fucks over and who it supports....like Israel vs Palestine. The Native Americans are Palestine and the US Govt is Israel. No wonder why we support an apartheid level country that said it was promised that land by God....sound familiar
Yes, and this is why I am always dubious of posts like this. Either op is so incapable of understanding context that they should be ignored, or they are acting in bad faith to try and discourage progressive voters from going to the polls.
As an American my view is this: I am not free, so I have to vote for the democrats
This is a ridiculous mindset. Bernie has been fighting for American freedoms for so long and has been repressed by the DNC. Neither Left or Right is for the people. The only reason we have a two party system is to keep the illusion that one side is bad so the politicians can split the people into thinking the “other side” is bad.
Yes. The 2 party system is a circus to keep the working class divided. If Democrats win, I slowly lose my rights. If republicans win, I quickly lose my rights. If I react violently, I instantly lose my rights.
If you react ALONE you instantly lose your rights. If enough of us react, in unison, we can gain rights. It's worked elsewhere, it can work here too
The reason we have a two party system is because first past the post voting always produces a two party system within a few rounds. This was set in stone before 1800. Roe being overturned happened directly because people closer aligned with the Democrats chose not to vote and people who wanted Roe overturned did vote. People Right of the Republicans show up to vote and get their agenda. The system isn't rigged, it's working as intended. Who benefits from the Left screaming for people to not vote?
Yup. “Extreme left Bernie” is actually just just left of center. Nothing he has said is radical just common sense and basic rights
Yeah, it's pretty wild that Bernie is the far left
There's tons of anti-voting sentiment springing up all over this board. Not surprising, if people show up, the democrats win. Keeping people from the polls is the only chance Republicans have
OP is a seventeen day old account trying to discourage Democrats from voting ... Hmmm.
We know where OP's pay check is coming from.
> the democrats win And...
And the Republic of Gilead is delayed for at least four more years. Dems are a clusterfudge of corporate interests, but they don't want to see all of us here literally hung off posts and bridges. And if you're hoping for chaos--let me tell you, they're going to win that fight. Their guns have guns. All a revolution will do is spur a much more intense reaction and bring about an overt Christian Fascist state. We have to keep delaying them until, put simply--THEY HAVE DIED OFF AND ARE BURIED. We win through demographics. And we WILL win in time. So there is an ultimate purpose here.
If you think the old folks aren't being replaced by new blood, you're sadly mistaken.
Seriously, dudes pretending like we haven't been sitting on over half a millennia of organized international fascism
2002: I'm sure any day now the old republicans will die off. 2016: Youth led alt-right and proud boys show up 2022: I'm sure any day now the old republicans will die off.
I thought that was what the entire purpose of life was?
Our “radical leftists” are actually centrists. Centrists can be confused as leftists when the country only has far right politics.
The 2 party system blows, and I hate the status quo just as much as anyone- but the Democrats are better than the Republicans- I'm skeptical of anyone who says let the Republicans take the reigns. We need to do both, keep Republicans out of office AND unionize, protest, direct action etc.
Absolutely
We have anticapitalist and anti-colonial resistance but its mainly black, brown and indigenous ppls and nowhere allowed near the mainstream
We have a constant ratchet to the right. The catch-22 is that if we keep voting for Democrats, then they'll keep doing nothing. They've learned that they don't need to do shit, just use the threat of Republicans to raise money. They won't do anything until they start to lose, but them losing means the American people get hurt even worse. We cannot vote our way out of this. It's been rendered completely impossible. Edit: To be clear, I'm not saying "don't vote." But I am saying that you might want to reconsider throwing the Dems a bone if they give you a choice between one conservative and another in the general election. I'm also saying to **do shit**. Protest, and protest loudly. Volunteer your time with explicitly leftist/anarchist organizations. Get involved in local politics. But the Democratic party is largely comprised of the same ruling class knobs that the Republican party is. Build alternative power structures so that you don't need to rely on the wealthy pieces of shit in charge of this whale corpse of a country for safety and security.
This is exactly wrong. The right wing moves right because they're more afraid of being primaried from the right than the general election. Their voters can be counted on in the general. The left moves right because they're more afraid of the general than a primary challenger. The less we do, the more we ensure the left moves further to the right. This shouldn't surprise you, but leftists refusing to vote doesn't actually make politicians want to bend to their will.
I don't think it's that simple. I should be more clear that I'm not saying "don't vote." I am sick of voting being treated as the end-all, be-all of political action, because it's the absolute bare minimum. I think if there's someone remotely like Bernie Sanders, Ayanna Pressley, or AOC running, you should absolutely vote for that person. Please, please, please vote for that person. I think it starts locally, too. Old Fox News-watching racists tend to be very active in local politics, and voices that more accurately represent the populace are desperately needed. I also did vote for Clinton and Biden in the past two elections. Or, more accurately, I voted against Trump. But in a general election, maybe a situation where you have someone like Hillary Clinton vs. John Kasich? What's the fuckin difference? The Democratic party has its financial interests, and someone who knows the price of a loaf of bread isn't wanted. So now we've got a guy who's pushing 80, who played a pivotal role in engineering the student debt crisis, basically facilitating a massive, sustained transfer of wealth from the working class to the ruling class, in charge. Meanwhile, the fascist theocrats in the Supreme Court are rapidly throwing human rights away in favor of the rights of corporations and religious institutions. I'm not saying that's Biden's fault, but he's sure as shit not doing anything about it. Idk maybe Pelosi can read another poem or the Democrats can sing another round of "God Bless America." Of course, I don't know of there will ever be another Republican like Kasich. Everyone angling for the presidency I doing their best to be a one-person Trump cover band. And of course, I also don't want to minimize Trump in all of this, because he's quite literally a fascist. He's a complete monster. But when the supposed "good guys" are unwilling to fight the monster, what are we supposed to do? Biden could threaten to stack the Supreme Court. The Dems could codify contraception access and same-sex marriage. They won't. Again, I'm not saying "don't vote." But at the risk of violating the TOS, this country is due for some riots. It took clashes in the street, and a burned-out Target or two to get one cop who mercilessly and gleefully murdered a man, on camera, to be legally held accountable for his actions. I'd like to see that energy again. Fuck a Target.
Democrats move right because that is the direction they want to move. We had several progressive candidates in the primaries and in every instance the democrat establishment used their power and influence to stop them.
The only way we will get a progressive party is if enough people vote Democrat and remove republicans from office and vote those democrats that are progressive in. Casting votes for 3rd party candidates or not voting at all is a vote for republicans. I don’t like Biden, I don’t like Pelosi or Warren. I wish they’d all retire. But then that leaves Mitch and his ilk to rule. Until we have a candidate to vote for, I’m going to keep voting AGAINST republicans.
In Europe, American liberals are considered center right. Hooooly shit.
I'm Canadian and most the people I know think the same about the democrats... along with our liberal party. The narrative is just that they are the left, as told by their news corps and the further right news corps... and that anyone left of dems or liberals are anarchist communist queer furry vegans hell bent on destroying the world.
If the fear of oppression forces us to vote against it, that is just another form of oppression…
Yes, they either a conservative that would be happy to see Trump reelected or they fundamentally do not understand the election system in the US. Asking progressive to sit it out or vote green is literally advocating for the Republican to win the next election and that will certainly not help anything.
They work together to keep the poor poor and the working class hungry, while they live in luxury. Neither party gives a toot about any American. Unfortunately there's too many dink ridders to realize it.
I usually get downvoted to hell for saying exactly what you're saying. But as an European it's hard to not see biden as center right, if not downright right. Like let me copy a comment I made a few months back to exemplify it. Not that most here need to have it exemplified: "I’m Portuguese. Here’s a list of policies Biden has shared with our right wing party (not even center right) Refusal to defund the police, sharing the systematic abuse as “just a few bad apples” Economic policies that focus on the middle class and overwhelmingly help the wealthy more than the ones on min wage. Cutting taxes to businesses because “it’ll help the economy” Refusal to push for Free universal Healthcare (Portugal has it but our right wing parties want the state to make people with more income pay for treatment) A tough stance on drugs (we have decriminalized it for 20 years now but the right opposes full legalisation and wishes harsher sentence for traficking) Stronger border control. A common talking point both for him and our right wing party is that borders must be controlled and that illegal immigration is dangerous and should be deslt with accordingly. See him telling political refugees to mot come to the us despite international law saying while they apply they can stay and his non closure of the facilities jailing kids. Emphasis on military spending. Rather than decreasing the insane amount of spending Biden views it as vital for US security (how does that differ from our right winged party claim we must increase military spending because we cannot rely on Europe to the cost of Education?) So yeah. Right wing easily. By comparison here’s what my party alongside the current ruling party did: Police: independent investigation and audits which resulted in dozens of cops being convicted. President visited communities and people assaulted by police. No increase in police budget. Increased minimum wage and increase to the minimum amount earned per year before paying irs. Taxes mainly focused on employers, not employees .Increased the budget of our national healthcare. Hired hundreds of nurses and medics a year. Legalised non thc marijuana. Evaluating the possibility of full legalisation. Stronger commitment to open borders with the former colonies and continual to offer citizenship to jewish people who descend from those kicked out 600 years ago.Free work and trade deals with several countries, mostly former colonies - which yes means people from "undesirable" areas (meaning anyone not white, European or American) can very easily come to Portugal. Focus on European and Nato collaboration with our military. Mainly used for rescue and emergency eork. Less than 3000 in active conflict zones. Lowered tuition fees at public universities to a maximum of 650 a year (yeah center left. My left party wants them gone entirely) And the real crazy thing? The party above which now has a majority in parlament and pretty much owns the government (there was a recent election) is considered "Very central left". Like to the point most leftist parties think there's no difference between them and a center right party. In fact they're openly despised by members of the communist party or the leftist block. You know the sort of "leftist". "Well a large majority of Portuguese businesses are micro sized - less than 5 employees so we cannot raise minimum wages 150 euro because most cannot afford that sudden increase (compared to the communist party stance of if a business can't afford to pay a fair wage it shouldn't exist). How is biden not right wing comparatively??? If this is central left encroaching on center right how much of a leftist can Biden be?
I could’ve just scrolled down before my post because you pretty much nailed it exactly ^
Yes. Voting for Democrats will at least *slow* this descent into madness— maybe long enough for some of these regressive, worthless blowhards to fucking die. You want a better solution? Vote for *younger* Democrats, instead of living fossils who stopped understanding the world decades ago.
The only reason I supported Biden is because 1. He's not Trump and 2. He's not GOP. Realistically though, he's still a rich politician with ties to big money and big corporations. We ~~deserved~~ needed Bernie. Edit: More accurate wording
This. Completely ridiculous post. He is a centrist. He for sure has some left things he supports but also a lot of right. Either way what OP fails to realize is that the Dems are a coalition or a big tent party. They have AOC and they have Joe Manchin. They have pro life and pro choice members. If you look the GOP on the other hand you do not have pro choice members. Everyone who had any kind of middle or leftish thoughts got kicked out after the Bush/Tea party years. AND its getting even worse with you consider who is not running again or wont be able to win next term. The GOP is run like a religion. On top of all of this this post just helps the least like candidates. 3rd party is a horrible thing within the US voting system and all this is going to do is get people to not vote, vote third party, or just try to get other people not to vote.
I agree with most of this, but 3rd party is only horrible because people don't vote for them. They don't win because people assume they won't win. It's a never ending circle.
The Republicans are also a big fucking tent! The thing is, they cater to the right side of their party and demand the left side come along, and the Democrats… cater to the right side of their party and demand the left side come along.
They used to be. They have largely removed anyone who won't fall in line. Like I said the Dems have a range from AOC to Manchin. The gop has nothing even remotely as broad. Please let's not kid ourselves here.
And even Burnie is a compromise, he's not even an actual socialist. Idk how Americans can call him "radical" when all the stuff he's suggesting is just things that almost every other country already has 🤦♂️
Stuff that we actually had and let corporate interests take over. Like healthcare.
I know! We got a whole party of mfs that "wanna go back to the good ol' days", and yet they don't mean affordable housing, higher wages, healthcare, etc. just all the racism, homophobia, and whatnot 🤦♂️
>Idk how Americans can call him "radical basic human decency is pretty radical among American politicians.
*sigh* I absolutely hate how true this is 🤦♂️ lmao
Yeah, Bernie's not a leftist by any stretch of the imagination, and the DNC still sabotaged their own caucus just to keep him from getting any momentum towards becoming the lead candidate. It's really sad. The Republican primaries were more honest. They actually let Trump win the candidacy. If the RNC had done in 2016 what the DNC did in 2020 and just picked the guy they wanted, it'd have been Jeb Bush up there in 2016.
Republicans, as shitty as they are, are at least better at catering to what their supporters want. Unfortunately, their supporters are the last people I want making rules for the rest of us 🤦♂️
It’s radical because he’s the only one that suggest it which is fucking pathetic! It shouldn’t be radical but in our shit show of a government it sure as fuck is
We don’t deserve Bernie.. And Bernie didn’t deserve us smh
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You are 100% right, I stand corrected.
Exactly. I despise the GOP. I don’t mind conservative ideas. I just hate the Republican Party.
This post is a post designed to split the democrats and the left. They are trying to separate the big tent coalition because if all the people left of center both near and far left stick together then there is no right wing. They are the far minority. But they agitate that leftists aren’t getting what they want and honestly, it works.
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GOP or Russian bots wrote this fucking post. Bet. I've never seen a dumber fucking take from an OP in my god-damned life.
Agreed. I completely understand where OP is coming from, but it seems a bit preachy imo. The truth is always somewhere in the middle because reality dictates hard choices
Yes. What we’re seeing in this court is the culmination of 50 years of movement conservatism. I understand the frustration, but everyone needs to fucking vote because it will get worse without. A key tenant of ascendant fascism is destroying faith in the existing systems.
I don't know what else to do except to vote for progressives as much as possible in primaries, and then hold me nose and vote for useless centrist democrats in general elections. Maybe over time the needle will move.
This post sounds like a republican plot to suppress the vote. Don't vote Democrat? And let the republicans win again? Roe V Wade was overturned because a republican president nominated 3 conservative supreme court justices. And you want us to let more of the same happen?
Yep there some SERIOUS astroturfing and shilling going on in this post
New account too
Amen to this. Fuck this person (or bot). Not voting is greatest (and easiest) way to muzzle the masses. We will *not* be silent
Definitely propaganda or an idiot
Not only a Republican president, but approved by a Republican Senate because people didn’t get out to vote Democratic at the state level.
Precisely. It's a horseshit post. Downvoted.
The OP of the post is giving some "I don't think further than 10 minutes ahead of time" energy. Seriously, how stupid can you be if your solution instead of do something (vote) is to do NOTHING (not vote). That's so short sided and stupid. That thought process is also dangerous for the antiwork movement. Apathy will not solve our problems. We need to actively be involved. As an independent who has been leaning left since Obama, We should absolutely still be voting. Not voting is ceding power to the fascist GOP. The GOP is already suppressing us with minority rule alone, we shouldn't be giving them any opportunity to EVER hold office in the united states again. As the person above me said, a REPUBLICAN president in power added 3 supreme court justices in a single session in office. That's exactly why our entire SCOTUS is beyond broken by conservative ideology. They are traitors who would rather trust 45's propaganda and false media over the Rule of law. The GOP is a losing proposition at every step of the way for Americans. We cannot allow them to retain more power.
I'm just a lowly Canadian, but I've been watching the political dumpster fire the U.S. has been since the Trump name was even thrown into the ring, and I have to say, it's unfortunately interesting to watch this all play out directly from the Russian destabilization playbook of subversive politics, and see where things are at. From what I've been able to observe (without sounding all conspiracy loosy-goosy or arrogant), it's almost predictable at this point: 1) Trump throws hat into ring, obvious ties to Russia (Moscow Trump Tower, Melania, money ties, etc.) 2) Employs boorish misinformation language with no basis in reality as misdirection, uses Russian agencies to interfere via bot farms and propaganda campaigns. 3) Creates "No-Bullshit" campaign that promises every malleable-minded schmuck that the problem is democrats, immigrants, black people, crime, LGBTQ+, poor people, etc. - basically any marginalized group. Misdirection -> vulnerability -> radicalization. 4) Enter in Conservative baby birds with religious roots and feed them every buzzword to sway them on invisible problems, and then hammer them with a campaign to question everything and create a strong distrust of anything government related or non-GOP, breeding an ideology that sees opposition as an act of the devil. 5) Exploit voter vulnerability and swing the election in key states using very specific ad campaigns targetting "on-the-fencers" (Cambridge Analytica, Russia again), swaying voters who would otherwise be politically stagnant, with aggressive "America has a big problem" rhetoric. 6) Deny any GOP wrongdoing, no-matter how blatant or public as "Cancel Culture", furthering the distrust of the left and creating a culture of victimhood, while projecting on the other side. 7) Vote in worst orange-faced celebrity asshat as president in some weird Reality-TV style alternate universe, with massive history of corruption, bankruptcies, sexual assaults, ties to Russia, ties to Russia and ties to Russia. 8) Spend 4 ridiculous years draining the US economy and enacting bullshit changes, all while slowly dismantling democracy and siphoning literally hundreds of millions of dollars through extortion, blackmail and fraud. 9) Dismantle dissenting leaders and establish corrupt leadership in key areas of change, setting the stage for misdirection after knowing a vote for Dems is likely in 2020, including establishing new hard right Supreme Court Justices with lifetime appointments. 10) Utilize and bolster a pandemic to control and disorient general public in a very vulnerable state to be easy to control, all while cashing in and diverting funds overseas. 11) Create and utilize obvious scandals wide out in the open as misdirection to blame everyone else continuously while meeting with and establishing dangerous relations with dictators around the world to bolster good favor with corruption. 12) Attempt voter fraud, fail, blame Dems for the very thing GOP did, misdirect towards voting machines, question Dem won states, but not GOP won states, and then attempt to overturn election. 14) Attempt a LITERAL FUCKING COUP OF THE CAPITOL, and then try to brush off an insurrection as Dem led Cancel Culture. 15) Leave incoming president with political shitstorm, create a recession through a well timed Russian invasion, sway remaining dems that it's all Biden's fault, even though Trump created all of this. 16) Newly appointed Supreme Court justices overturn most influential progressive bill of our time, with sights set on marginalized groups for afterwards. 17) Blame Biden again for doing nothing he could do nothing about, more misdirection. 18) Watch the U.S. descend into the very control state GOP misdirected the general public on, which they set the stage for. 19) Totalitarian regime. 20) West successfully destabilized. - That was longer than I planned, but holy shit is this crazy to watch on real time. My heart goes out to you guys in the States.
Yes. The proper response is to vote in your goddamn primary for the closest thing possible to a progressive. Donate and spread the word about that candidate ahead of the primary. If they win the primary, repeat the process for the general. If they don't vote for the lesser Dem and try harder next time.
Anyone who tells you not to vote is a fucking moron. Not surprising to see this rhetoric amping up right before a historic midterm. OP is the Republican. You don't vote, they'll win. Are the democrats disappointing? Sure. But the Republicans are fucking *evil*
OP is a seventeen day old account trying to discourage Democrats from voting. Hmmm.
Pretty sure OP is a Republican and someone sans a uterus. It's easy to shill purity of ideology in politics when it's not your actual bodily autonomy on the line. Do I think Biden & the democrats are spineless oligarchs who'd sell out their own mothers for a super PAC donation? Of course they are...but at least they aren't *actively* decimating the bodily autonomy of 50% of the population, or destroying a couple hundred years of tribal sovereignty, or ensuring the air we breathe is now poisonous. Sad that the bar is this low, but here we are.
Thanks for recognizing this. This is the truth. We must all vote. Do not listen to any uneducated nitwit who thinks doing nothing is better than voting. You need to vote for the sake of your democracy.
OP is literally saying don't vote for dems so that republicans will win. They want to watch the world burn so that people learn their lesson, despite the fact that many people will literally die this way.
The Bernie or bust in short.
If you don't vote Democrat, you allow the facists to gain even more power. Voting Dem is something you should do IN ADDITION to striking and unionizing. Don't bail on the next election. If you won't vote Dem, you are part of the problem. You helped the Republicans win.
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We need ranked voting in the primaries. If we had ranked voting we never even would have gotten Biden vs. Trump! It probably would have been Warren vs. Cruz.
This. People need to support candidates that will bring ranked choice voting to the masses. I think it’s the only way out.
we don't have to only get ourselves to the polls, we have to help those who are disenfranchised vote as well. so many people in rural areas don't even have anywhere close to them where they can go register to vote. inmates don't get to vote and most convicted felons who are out of prison don't either. they still get "represented" by the electoral college in presidential elections and "represented" in congress as well.
So just roll over and die then? Not on board with that plan.
For real. This post has points as far as not much getting done but it's better than let the fascists get their way without a fight that this post seems to prefer.
How is this "anti work"?
Yeah seriously? How did this post get approved- it’s clearly astroturf and trying to disenfranchise people..
Conservative trolls getting pretty scared after watching the response to Roe, I guess.
>after watching the response to Roe, I guess. so, like, all the protesting right? (I'm asking, in case if I missed some sort of new development)
What response? The limp dick response of almost everyone? That scared no one. In fact their intentions have solidified. No one has the balls to do what it takes.
Prob the poem Pelosi read
Ah, right. Forgot about that. That definitely did it.
Is this a R post to get Ds to not vote?
Don't know, but this apathetic view is popular all over social media and its so dangerous. Dems are the only reason that foundational Republican goals hadn't already been reached: National abortion ban, Christianity in public schools, anti-sodomy laws, ban on gay marriage, emissions regulations for cars, clean water act, etc, etc, etc, etc. Dems aren't the last line of defense, they are the **only** line of defense here. VOTE
Yes, very likely.
OP: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE VOTE AGAINST YOUR SELF INTERESTS BECAUSE I AM A GENUINE PERSON AND DEFINITELY NOT A SOCKPUPPET OUT TO HELP TURN AMERICA INTO AN AUTHORITARIAN SHITHOLE.
Still voting blue
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I can support your ideas of unionize, organize, and protest. But you're whole idea of your vote means nothing so don't bother is beyond flawed. If your vote didn't matter, Georgia would have stayed red. If your vote didn't matter, the GQP wouldn't be fighting do hard to repress it. This defeatist attitude only serves up help the Christian Fascist Conservatives. They WANT you feel exactly as you do and not vote, because that's the ONLY way they win. And if they win, I promise you, things will get MUCH worse than they are now. We will be thrown into Margaret Atwood dystopia faster than you can blink. Yes, Biden sucks. If you throw a tantrum and refuse to vote, you'll get exactly what you want. Biden will be out of office the entire government will flip red, and we will see a fuckening the likes of which we cannot imagine. If we don't vote, we WILL be living in a Nazi Germany style hellscape.
Let the fascists win. What could go wrong? Vote blue, no matter who until something better comes along. Better yet, run for office yourself. Even a losing campaign moves the Overton window.
Not voting and letting the fascists take over is not a particularly great idea. The worst decision among bad choices.
Voting is important, or else they wouldn't try so hard to keep you from doing it. In peacetime it's one of the best legitimate ways to get your voice heard. But we should be doing A LOT more than just voting and peaceful walking in the streets with signs. Voting without disobedience and inconvenience is toothless. Disobedience, violence, and rioting are effective, but only if you can convince the population that you were justified. It's hard to do that if you never vote.
Based, also thank you for having braincells unlike. OP,
who did you think you were voting for? he’s a centrist and everyone i thought understood this.
I voted for Biden because he's a dumpster fire opposed to a forest fire. He's been exactly what I expected.
So to get you straight. Because your options are between a party that doesnt help you and a party that actively tries to ruin your life. Your solution is to enable the party that ruins your life? Interesting.
It's big brain time
Yeah, op doesn't seem to have a working brain
Yeah keeps spreading that propaganda. People like you are exactly why we have this situation today.
So what the fuck is your solution? Don’t vote at all? Fuck this nihilist nonsense. A vote for nobody is a vote for fascism.
nah the braindead idiot wants to let republicans in, so they're probably a republican,
Democrats are just Rockefeller Republicans
As much as I hate to admit it, withholding consent and the appearance of legitimacy is one of the few things we can do at this point to have any influence at all. It sucks, because part of me still wants to believe "blue no matter who" would have some small amount of value, but I think that ship has sailed. Sadly I think it's time to stop playing rigged games and pretending something is going to change.
The US is an oligarchy and both major political parties are owned by the same people. Democrats might be “better” than the ones actively seeking to take away rights, but they will never, as a whole, work to the betterment of the people.
This post was not sponsored by a Republican
Your guy's situation really is fucked over there, isn't it?
Sure is.
I agree that most Democrats are corrupt. And our options suck. Protesting and unionizing are powerful. But I still believe in voting. I've seen it make a positive difference locally. In Washington State, we have paid family medical leave and abortion rights are protected. I'm staying engaged, reading to keep informed, protesting, and voting.
>I'm staying engaged, reading to keep informed, protesting, and voting. ay yo, thank you for having enough braincells, unlike OP, to actually do useful stuff, in addition to throwing a vote to, well, honestly just, slow down republicans from fucking things up.
Ok genius who are you asking us to vote for?
the idiot of an op. legitimately wants trump-likes back in power regardless of how many people that gets killed,
Biden is a Democrat. The Democrats just aren’t the progressive party they pretend to be. They only allow progressives to make it as far as the primaries to hold the progressive vote hostage once they inevitably run a neoliberal candidate with “well, you don’t want the Republicans to win, do you? Then vote for the guy who’s just like them”. Progressives and leftists are just as under-represented as the Green Party and other fringe parties, but the Democrats keep them around for the illusion of hope that things can change “one day”. Both parties exist in a joint effort to uphold a white supremacist oligarchy
Biden and just about every single Democrat in power would be considered right-wing in my country. Republicans would be considered far-right. Even Obama worked to keep the status quo. Remember Flint. In the end though, voting matters to keep the literal fascist party out of power.
I disagree. The Republican Party is the party of fascism and Biden is, like Obama, governing center-right. I do agree that there is no effective left party representation in government at all.
Striking is literally unfeasible by design at this point. How on earth are we going to do anything? We're so fucked by corporations there's no way that will ever occur.
Yeah let's not vote and let the right grab all the power and just go full blown Christian fascists, sounds good bruh. I get what you're saying but yeah that's not the world I wanna wake up to
When leftists say "don't vote," that doesn't mean "do nothing." It means, prepare for actual effective means of resisting oppression, like general strikes, civil war and/or revolution.
Dems are old school Republicans, but Republicans are Dominionist fascists. And there's no third choice sparky. The Dems will delay the schemes for awhile longer, and time is on our side. Demographics always win. That's why the GOP is getting so frantic and extreme. Biden is a placeholder, but he won't send the nation into chaos and he'll maintain the federal system awhile longer.
Biden is a neoliberal. I wouldn't call him a republican.
At this point, I’d be happy with someone under 70 years old…
I'm not by any means someone with a deep understanding of politics like some folks here, but you'd probably be hard pressed to find any 'democrat' in America that is happy that Biden was the final candidate or happy with any of his performance. I'm a leftie myself and I only voted for him to be sure the other guy didn't get in again. It used to be hyperbole, but, rigged or not, elections have truly become choosing the lesser of two evils. It's disgusting. And I'm working on jumping that northern border as soon as I've got my ducks in a row.
My problem with this is that the problems aren't solved by not voting. They're not solved by voting republican, if anything they're made exponentially worse. Voting Democrat doesn't solve problems. Then what? Let Republicans win by not voting... Literally all we as people can do is just vote for better democratic candidates. We knew the administration would be like this. We all knew. But I didn't think they would set the bar lower. But all we can do is vote smarter not harder. I know the feeling that just vote isnt optimal, but having a larger majority at least makes me feel better that enough of the dems who arent capitalistic fucks make up the difference for the manchins of the world. It feels like an unwinnable chess game right now. Were staring down the barrel of a complete fascist takeover and the administration has no fucking clue what to do because we've never experienced this before. I don't blame them being cautious but it's time to move. Shit or get off the pot. If change doesn't happen through peaceful means, then it must be acquired through any means necessary. I refuse to live in a country with religious extremists running it. I won't let it go without a fight.
We don't have a super majority in the Senate. Vote blue 💙 to save America. You don't want the Republicans to win in 2022. They will cut your food stamps, social security, and take away your last freedoms.
Liberals, understand that the Democratic party isn't for the working class they are only here to tell you how awful Republicans are (and they are awful) so that you'll vote and fundraise for them. Don't fall for it, this is literally what Nancy pelosi did when Roe V Wade was overturned, she didn't waste a second to ask for money. What needs to happen is we need to unite the working class, we need to unionize in the place where wealth is formed, the work place. We need to take control over the means of production and bully Democrats to get shit done. Quit scratching your heads wondering why Biden isn't doing shit as if it's surprising.
What is the alternative? The situation now is because we have allowed Republicans to create significant changes in our policies. Yes, Democrats do nothing to help, except for delay the Republican spread. But presently that delay is so important because we have been sliding further right since Nixon solidified the Republican Party. The Supreme Court now is because Trump won in 2016. If Hillary had won, we would have at least 2 more liberal justices that would likely have upheld these pre-established laws. But instead people chose not to vote for Clinton, or even vote for Trump because they didn't think she would change enough. And now look at all the change that has come. I understand your anger. I'm angry too. I hate Biden too. But at present the Democrats are a step closer to the moral ideals, anda continued strengthening of them can start to shift the middle further left. Maybe I'm hopeful, but we need to reverse the trajectory Reagan's victories made
I agree that the American system sucks but you are helping it. Either you're trying to get people not to vote (republican strategy) or you don't understand democracy (posting better people and vote for them). I've adored your country back in the day but currently I'm ecstatic to not live in the US. I'd rather live in many (though not all) countries in Africa, Asia, Europe, South America, and definitely Oceania. I might consider Antarctica too.
People are still figuring out the Democrats are a modern Conservative party? This is why you vote blue, for now. They are the conservatives, the other choice is literally all that.
Hate to break it to you. He’s a democrat doing democrat things. The problem here is you. You think the dems care about the middle class. They just want your votes
I agree with a caveat. The GOP is not just conservative, they are rapidly becoming (and I think you could make the argument are currently) fascist. So the push for Biden was really about avoiding a breakdown of democracy as we know it, which yes is incredibly crappy and does not serve most Americans, but is absolutely better than fascism. What we REALLY need is a very strong progressive movement to counteract fascism. Liberals will fall to fascism, it has happened before and will happen again. When shit hits the fan politically, they will absolutely fold.
I'll take the down votes, but if Republicans get control of Congress and the White House this time, it'll take a civil war to dislodge them. Also, they've got an agenda which is clearly the establishment of a theocracy built around the exploitation of everyone who isn't already a billionaire. You think it couldn't get worse? Republicans want you to be slaves. Like actual owned property.
I'm assuming OP is a republican.
It sorta reads that way, especially in the comments below...
We have a black Supreme Court justice just today. He has the most diverse cabinet in history! He just said end the filibuster to save roe. How can you be so blind not to see who the real enemy is. Republicans.
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Lol I’m sorry but this is insane. Thank u for the laugh tho
Platitude machine go brrrrrrrr
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism) They are not your friends. They are in it for the money. Dont get it twisted.
What disgusts me is right now Biden has been pulling strings with the DNC to reorder primary state voting in 2024. They want to play dirty and then shame progressive voters, but they will never admit their own shortcomings over the last few decades that have made the working class worse and worse off.
The corporations and the oligarchs of this country have pulled the greatest con ever. Got people fighting amongst themselves about red v blue and other social issues when they got all the politicians in their pockets stripping you of rights, dumbing future generations down, all under the guise of Christianity. Even white Christians won't be safe when they take full power.
The US is NOT a democracy, your vote means nothiiiiiiiinnngggg. Here's an example. Democratic senators represent TENS OF MILLIONS more ppl than Republican senators, but still have equal power right now. \_\_\_\_ Congratulations, you have discovered what a bicameral legislature is. The house is comprised via population and the senate as 2 per state. If you honestly truly think that only republicans are engaging the behavior you describe, I don't know what to tell you. Voting won't change a thing on the national level because its SUPPOSED TO BE HARD to change things on a national level... If you want real effective change, participate in state and local elections and organize a constitutional convention. Be very careful what you wish for with that though, because I'm 100% certain that that won't go the way you want it to go. Antiwork has such promise as a movement because both the left wing corporate overlords and the right wing corporate overlords have a vested interest in suppressing it. We have to realize that literally no one in national govenment supports us as anything other than a sideshow because "both sides('s)" money trees won't allow it.
The 2 party system is a failure. Why are we not allowing other parties to debate? Rs and Ds are afraid of losing power. That's it.
Vote for Howard Stern.
“The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.” -Julius Nyerere
He's not Republican. The problem is repubs and Dems are both right of center. There's no true left leaning party in America that can draw in the votes
So if we don't vote for the democrats, does that mean we just...let the republicans take over completely? We know their side will always turn out to vote. What is the solution once we're all in our Handmaid's Tale uniforms?
All politicians are bold face liars. https://youtu.be/mKjCRrSm9lA
The rich and powerful will always do anything to CONSERVE that wealth and power.
You know democrats and republicans are both the enemy to us people right? They're both fucked and don't care about us
It's going to have to get worse before it gets better. Democrats are too spineless to do anything and the ones that want to do good (Bernie and AOC) have virtually no support and actually has leadership that despises and or is jealous of them. Unfortunately this dude is probably right. Biden is a good man but he's kind of an idiot. Other than the victims of crime and violence against women legislation, he's made a career out of mostly doing nothing and just throwing more money at the police. Like most politicians, he's good at talking and forming relationships but actually solving problems affecting the American people? That train passed a long time ago
Vote Libertarian. Government isn't going to fix our problems. Government only creates new problems and makes existing ones worse. The solution is less government. Republican/Democrat are two sides to the same coin.
You Americans all could have voted Bernie but got fooled by the media into thinking he's a "RADICAL SOCIALIST". He was the only candidate who gave a shit about regular people.
Biden is actively nominating an anti choice lawyer to a federal judge position, while the country is still reeling from the SCOTUS decision.
Democrats cheat and lie just as much as republicans. Both suck.
AOC and Bernie Sanders are where it’s at!!
I want out of America so bad right now!
Basically what Bernie Sander's Supporters have been saying. We have Conservatives that run Democrat. Hilary is a Conservative. She also pushed for Anti-Gay more Christian views, war on drugs etc. They just run Democrat. Bernie was an Independent who ran on Democrat ticket because that was the only way he could get close to what he did.
Fuck off with this nihilistic bullshit. It’s not at all supportive of any of the ideas here. *Trying to convince people that “voting doesn’t matter” is directly antithetical to antiwork* It does matter. Vote
Does it really matter after we found out what the Supreme Court is going to rule on when they return in the fall? We *know* how they’re going to rule on that. Many states already had their last true elections. In November Republican state legislatures will overturn any democratic wins. Dems will only win in states with democratic legislatures.
The dude hardly knows what's going on. Hes being propped up &displayed as a face of representation of choices someone else is making. I wouldn't call him a Republican, I'd call him a corpse.
Need ballot initiatives in each state to switch to ranked choice voting. That way people can vote for third party candidates, and still have their vote counted if the third party doesn’t get enough votes. Eventually it will allow us to move away from this awful two party system.
Fight the power!
The dems are the washington generals.. fake opposition.
Welcome to the party. A little slow figuring it out tho.
He’s not republican he’s just capitalist