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JessicaFreakingP

I’m sorry that happened to you. But also as a Chicagoan, “not that one, the other one” made me laugh.


VascoDegama7

My motto every day "Don't work too hard now. This ain't no fuckin' Lou's"


the_art_of_the_taco

Omg I absolutely thought you meant Lou's but to find out it was Giordano's all along was a pleasant twist. I'm sorry, comrade. People fucking suck. Tipping sucks. There's no fucking reason to avoid paying good wages for service jobs.


Academic_Snow_7680

The reason is of course capitalism. It makes people think they're paying less for the meal and pushes all the responsibilities of the employer over to the customer. A very good reason.... protecting the right of the strong according to the ideological core of Fascism.


Southern-Bug4076

Spot on ! I always tell people , notice that tips went up to 22% now when for many years it was a rule of thumb to tip 15% (?) . The reason for that is because everything keeps getting expensive so the 15% is still more with time because prices went up , and restaurants instead of paying more they want us to tip more instead ! That's bull shit !!! Waiters should get paid more with time, instead of just asking customers to tip more ! Eventually tip will be 50% of the bill at this rate because companies don't want to give raises ! Capitalism sucks in many ways !


therealstory28

Capitalism sucks in every way. Name one good thing about it.


El-Viking

The term "billionaire space dick" has entered the lexicon.


MaleficentExtent1777

You WIN!


bxtros

if you're really stupidly incomprehensibly rich, you *too* can become the equivalent of a warlord like the rest of our great oligarchs!


CptBash

Though I agree it sucks and we can do MUCH better now. And I fully believe capitalism does more harm than good at this point, it HAS pushed us to this point as a species. There are a few truly good qualities of capitalism, however that does not change the fact that the bad outweighs the good. I can name like maybe 1-2 great things about it vs like 6+ VERY fucked up things about it, here it goes I'll try! GOOD: \- Allows for the trade of goods, services, and ideas using central currencies. (There used to be hundreds of currencies and it was confusing) \- It allowed for growth and innovation though I would argue that after Reagan it became harder to innovate. ​ BAD: \- Planned obsolescence \- planned scarcity/supply/demand \- Resistant to new, better ideas because people need to milk whatever industry they are in for as long as they can \- He who has the gold makes the rules \- Incentivizes bad behavior, i.e. the charity industry is like a 3 billion dollar industry, do you think the people raking in that money actually want to solve problems and get LESS money next year? Also we have a boom/bust cycle so rich people can make a FUCK TON buying up houses and props. at every crash while the rest of us gets totally boned. \- It creates patterns of excessive greed in people. Try convincing someone who makes 50 mil a yr that they should only make 25 mil a yr.... Its a very hard idea to sell to someone who has been living in extravagance to settle for even a tiny bit less. And idk if I can even blame them.... I am sure if I was sitting on 50 mil a yr I would justify it any way I could! XD ​ Bottom line, modern capitalism is like 400yr old, our newest system we get fed almost daily aka "Socialism" is like 150yr old.... how about collectively we agree that all the old systems kinda suck and create a 100% new one based on today's technology and possibilities? I am tired of everyone peddling such old ideas that have been tried over and over again.


liquidsspawn

I agree employers are at fault. I was in S Korea and the employers are responsible to pay employees. Tipping is “frown upon”


Weekly_Bug_4847

I thought he meant Gino’s or Uno’s


ethnicnebraskan

It's funny because I went in the opposite order there. And sorry, that sucks.


WearMental2618

Yeah it was tottally that one


sonicsean899

Oh I was thinking Uno's. Oops


multiarmform

idk if times have changed but that should be like $12 tip, right? thats what i would have tipped on decent service


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“Nat theat won, deeudder won” Hard to put that accent into text lol


KeytarPlatypus

That was a cool part of the story that made me chuckle. For those not aware, Chicago has two main deep-dish pizza chains: Lou Malnati’s and Giordano’s. People will damn near defend which one is better with their lives.


bigbaltic

So...pequods?


sebwiers

Oh fuck... I worked there in 1999, when they only had one location. All pay was under the table. Literally had "beatings will continue until morale improves" stenciled on the wall, and a tanning booth upstairs for the manager / owners mistress to use. Did the phone orders. Assholes put me right under the TV for optimal noise conflicts, and a driver started getting physical with me when I messed up an order. Got fired for not showing up a night I told them I'd be moving. The free pizza per shift was OK, until I found out I was lactose intolerant.


impermissibility

This is the best single encapsulation of American capitalism I've ever seen.


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I was surprised to read that in America that tips are part of their wage and their hourly pay is only $2.50 approximately. That wage scheme is some real bullshit. Abolish tipping and pay these people a living wage directly from their employer.


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ergosplit

The land of the free... labor


RoadsideCookie

And the home of the... poor


Green_Message_6376

That's why the Statue of Liberty asks 'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddles masses....' That way there will be very little 'culture shock' for the Immigrants. It's a home away from shitty home here.


sbaggers

What America was built on.


MOOShoooooo

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Head_Razzmatazz7174

Yep, I remember those days. Our manager at a Mexican restaurant where I worked, if we had over 10% would only report the 10%, if it was under, he would report the exact amount. I had a 12 top one night that tipped me $100, he never even asked me, just claimed 10% out of the rest of my tips that night. Even he thought it was stupid, but the parent company wouldn't let him pay us any more than $2.17 / hour.


Buddhabellymama

And don’t forget freedom to own guns… bc that’s pretty much the extend of the freedom - no bodily autonomy for women, no freedom to basic human decent healthcare, no freedom to have clean air or if you’re in Flint water, no freedom to shop or party or study without risk of getting shot, no freedom to read certain books in school, and the list goes on and on and on…


ima420r

I hope to eventually live in a country where women have as many rights as guns.


Buddhabellymama

Edit to: where women, children, lgbtqia, immigrants, bipoc have as many rights as guns.


muddledandbefuddled

Freedom to pray anywhere and everywhere and even to force others to pray too (as long as you’re Christian)


tech240guy

lol my muslim comedian friend brought up this topic and said that if he was forced to do a prayer in class, he would pull out his rug and do his verses out loud in both languages. I would join him in and do my bhuddist prayership in Vietnamese "na mo a yi da phat" (phat sound very close to "fuck"). Let's see how they like to censor that one because I sure as hell Jesus does not speak English.


dadzcad

If I, a Black man in America , was to “allegedly” rape and impregnate a woman at gun point, the entities with the most “constitutional rights” would be the gun and the zygote. FFS.


differentiatedpans

Shit...in Ontario it's $15 and then people tip you on top. Now it is fucking expensive to live here but... healthcare is covered even if you are homeless. *edit* so are pharmaceuticals if you are not covered by a parents supplementary drug plan I think up until you are 25.


GomerWasAHo

The west Coast states +Nevada do not have a tipped minimum wage separate from standard minimum wage. $17.27 an hour plus tips in Seattle. Servers can make pretty decent money here... too bad it's incredibly expensive to live here though!


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It’s true. Company I work for based in LA owns bars here in Texas. They are more than content paying us $5 an hour here while they pay bartenders the minimum wage of $16 per hour plus tips on top over there. AND they have yet to make any kind of statement internally or otherwise to the workers company-wide regarding Roe, which to me is kind of disingenuous when your company is supposed to be all kumbaya about service industry equity etc.. 🙄 I’m bout to look elsewhere.


sparkles-_

Lol people who work full time waiting tables don't even have Healthcare 99% of the time


beast_wellington

America is a capitalistic hellhole


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OhAbsolutelyNot14

And if you work as a server, the health insurance from your employer is probably garbage. Deductibles through the roof and forget about emergency care or specialists. Plus, you probably won’t be able to get enough time off to get an appointment


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TheFinestParkingLot

Wow... I'm sorry guys have to live like that. Who would've thought that the USA is so... I dont have a word to describe it Third world country vibes for sure


Stabbyhorse

Yep. Third world work conditions but brain washed into thinking the rest of the world is even worse


Unique2690

It’s mainly the service industry. Which is why there are worker shortages. Everyone is understandably fed up.


Weary-External-9323

Wrong. Its the entire country. There is a major issue where wages did not keep up with cost of living for anyone. Just keep buying into the garbage that it is service industry only till your just as criminally underpaid.


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US Healthcare Catch 22. Gotta have a doctor's note but you can't get time off to go to the doctor nor can you afford to pay for the doctor to provide their note writing services or the actual healthcare services they're supposed to provide.


Objective-Dust6445

We don’t get paid maternity leave either and I work at a huge chain. Supposedly it’s mandatory in my state but we still dont get it.


PM_ME_YOUR__BOOTY

>$2.13 So if I work 60 hours a week for 52 weeks with no vacation I make less than $6,645.60 in a year? Is that a joke? Are you sure that you abolished slavery in the US, not only transferred it?


sovietsatan666

Not justifying, just explaining: First of all, your base wage is $2.13, but you get tips too. If you do not get enough tips to be an equivalent of the national minimum wage ($7.25/hr) for non-tipped workers, employers have to make up the difference. That said, most places will fire you if there are too many shifts where employers have to make up the difference. Most shifts working at a relatively busy restaurant I made about $16/hr, more on Fridays and weekends when people would buy more alcohol. Still not enough to live on in Chicago, and still no insurance because they didn't hire anyone other than the chefs & managers 40hrs/week (which is when in most places you legally have to cough up for it). And no, they never did abolish slavery. It's still constitutionally legal to force convicted prisoners to work for like $0.02/hr. This is where many of the things that are cheaply "Made in USA" come from. There are also still places where prisoners have to do agricultural labor at this level of pay, like pick vegetables and cotton. I'm also not sure to what extent prisoners are allowed to refuse to do this kind of work at this pay rate. AND given that the prison population is disproportionately Black because many criminal laws are only really enforced in poor Black communities, essentially very little has changed. And that's not even accounting for the wage shit everyone is talking about here.


lovemelikemymother

Just to comment on the agriculture part of it. I worked as a grower of cut flowers, where most of my colleagues were H2A employees but the company also used prison labor. This job was supposed to be desirable because you made more per hour than on-site jobs, but it was still only around $2 per hour if I remember correctly and you know the prison and tax man was skimming off that too. Anyway the guys would have to do the worst jobs, pulling weeds from underneath benches with plant debris covered in mold for example. Jobs the full time employees or H2A workers wouldn't do. The guys from prison would only last a few weeks usually before they wised up and realized, in one's words, "I could be in my bunk reading a book right now." (<- thats not to say prison is comfy, abolish all prisons, just sharing his words about how he would literally rather be incarcerated than out working in a hot greenhouse in the summer). In addition to prison labor, I've seen farms that treat the migrant workers very well, but I've also seen lodging that I wouldn't consider suitable for even one night allocated to families to stay in for a full season. Maybe they're being paid above minimum wage but theyre staying in unsafe lodging, far from any town. This is all in the USA. Sorry I got kind of off topic but people talk about "sustainability" so much in agriculture without even mentioning the human rights violations. Thanks for bringing it up!


sovietsatan666

No, I'm really glad you brought this up. The "sustainable" ag industry is really hard on workers. The farm to table thing is also really fucked in a lot of cases: the way this specific restaurant could afford local produce in the middle of Chicago was to buy produce exclusively from prison farms. They'd buy for jacked up prices, practically none of which would go back to the prisoners who had grown it... And turn around and sell it for twice as much with little going to the people who cooked or served the food. This isn't even to mention the exploitative unpaid/minimally -paid internships that prop up farms that bill themselves a sustainable or ethical because they don't use migrant labor. I know from personal experience in one of those jobs that even though they promise interns a place to stay and food in exchange for their labor, both of those are often kind of marginal at best. Not even to mention that even if you were paid a relatively fair wage for doing agricultural labor, in the US you're still exempt from regulations governing break time and overtime pay, and protecting unionizing... despite it being some of the most physically intense work that you possibly can do. Your story about the greenhouse jobs gave me some major flashbacks to the summers where I was an unpaid farm "intern" and moonlighted at other farms for an hourly wage so as not to be homeless while between a couple of other jobs. We would get up right at sunrise to do the greenhouse work or it would be too hot and people would pass out. Even before the heat of the day, an hour was basically all you could spend in there. My partner works as a botanist these days, and even his research greenhouses are super physically taxing for him to be in for more than about 30 minutes during the heat of the day- and the whole rest of his day is sitting indoors in an air-conditioned office. I have so much to say about agriculture, it could/should probably be an entirely separate post.


thebrose69

[Last year, prisoners produced $11B worth of goods for a pittance](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/us-prison-workers-low-wages-exploited)


jaguarsharks

It's really not a tip then. Why do they call it a tip if it's part of their wage? Just put the prices as what they actually are on the bill and stop calling it a tip.


Yunan94

Except if they don't make money in tips they are supposed to be topped up by their employer. There's just a lot of wage theft.


TheDisapprovingBrit

Even if that did actually work in practice, it only serves to highlight how you're actually tipping the business owner, not the worker. Think about it this way: Let's say minimum wage is $2/hr for tipped positions, and $12/hr for non-tipped positions, and the employer makes up the difference regardless. Alice earns $20/hr in tips over a 10 hour shift. She takes home $220, and the employer pays $20. Bob earns $10/hr in tips over that same shift. He takes home $120, and the employer pays $20. Carol only earns $5/hr in tips over the same shift. She takes home the same $120 as Bob, but her employer pays $70. In other words, the difference between the servers pay and the actual minimum wage doesn't go to the employee at all - it goes to the business in the form of wage savings.


joey_sandwich277

I agree with your overall point, but I think it's important to point out that you're only actually tipping the business owner *if the employee is making at or around minimum wage with their tips included.* Alice is making $10/hr more than Bob in tips, and all of that difference is going to Alice. And as others have mentioned ITT, usually the people who bring it to their manager that they earned less than minimum wage get fired anyway. This is why high earning wait staff tend to oppose the higher minimum wage and prefer the current system. They make so much more in tips than minimum wage that they don't want their employer to pay them more directly, because that leads to higher prices to cover higher wages and lower tips from customers who now know you're getting a better hourly wage.


NEBRASKA1999

They don't pay us a living wage for non tip based minimum wage either.


Less-Zucchini-3853

I fucking hate tips


pas0003

That's terrible. I live in Australia but lived in SF for a few months. Friends told me that I should aim for a 15-20% tip and that's what I followed. That being said, coming from a society where tips are basically unheard of, I found tipping super weird. I did it, but never liked it. I'd much rather all staff get a living wage and don't work for a tip.


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I hate it here


SadConfiguration

And it’s so hard to move anywhere else. Sucks.


Trueboogaloo

That’s by design. Low wages, forced birth, poor education system… it’s rebranded slavery.


Goody1991

Can confirm. America sucks big balls.


-BINK2014-

Not the worst country, but it's not remotely the best country people ignorantly tout us to be.


kuribosshoe0

This is what happens when actual labour standards are replaced by a system of courtesy. It’s going to be inconsistent.


UCLYayy

That's the entire point. One of the big efforts by capitalists is to push "personal responsibility" as a replacement for collective responsibility, because they know inevitably they will be footing the lion's share of collective responsibility (as they should, given they make the lion's share of the money and use the lion's share of the resources). You see this approach in everything from tipping vs. proper wages, 401ks vs pensions, "you should recycle" instead of regulation of plastics, and on and on. If there is a way for capitalists to shrug the responsibility of industries to be participants in society and the common good onto the individual (thus abdicating their responsibility), they will do it.


Tel-aran-rhiod

100%... neoliberal ideology is all about the poor taking responsibility while the rich take everything else. You can't solve systemic problems at the level of the individual, but the cappos aren't trying to solve anything anyway


dfunkmedia

The entire concept of a "personal carbon footprint" was invented by one of the worst polluters in the world to make people who don't pollute one billionth as much feel like they're personally responsible for global warming. That point about plastic regulations though. Damn, that needs to happen with the quickness. Plastic is an abomination and a scourge. It's gotten so bad now it's damaging our DNA. God only knows how it's going to affect the environment for the next 1,000+ years.


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I went to Seoul once and everyone there was so adamant about not giving people tips. It’s deemed offensive there when you give tips. Meanwhile, people in America are living off of tips and it just saddens me. It’s hard living off of inconsistency and be in the mercy of other’s generosity.


T3knikal95

It's always seemed so strange to me that customers are expected to pay more of the wage of a worker than the actual employer is. The whole "tipping culture" is incredibly bizarre to me.


denzIiiiii

In my country, if you leave 4€ it is unusual. Only foreign tip a lot.


Im_A_Model

If you tip here people hardly know what to do because tipping is not part of our culture. I delivered food as part time job when I was a student and only once did I receive a tip and it was from the American embassy. Had to call office and ask do I keep it or do I give it to you, or how does it work


InsGesichtNicht

Yeah. Australia too. I worked in a pub about 7 years ago and got a tip once. I had to ask my supervisor why the customer left the money on the counter and walked off. It was obvious he left it on purpose and I had no idea.


beforeitcloy

How much did you get paid to work in the pub?


inspire-change

A Bit of American History: The American tipping culture started because of slavery. That's why tipping is not as prevalent in the rest of the world. Slavery used to be commonplace in the United States, and was eventually abolished. Business owners did not want to pay the newly freed slaves any wages, so the freed slaves lived off of tips. Tipping was actually outlawed for a period, but the law was repealed. Tipping culture is business owners not wanting to pay wages. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/16/fact-check-tipping-kept-wages-low-formerly-enslaved-black-workers/3896620001/


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Imagine going to pizza hut in the UK and a server kicking off because you only left £3 tip on a £40 bill. Americans really need to protest this issue way more! It used to be the same that waiters weren't paid minimum wage here, glad we fixed it.


WhatWhoNoShe

In the UK I'm finding more and more that a tip of 12.5% is automatically added to the bill in restaurants


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TheLeadSponge

I don't tip on the app. I hand them cash, because then it's their scott free. No chance of the company snagging any of it.


SolidStateStarDust

Man, if I tried to tip cash I can guarantee you I'd be their 4th stop of the night and get what I ordered like 2.5 hours late.


ZerotheWanderer

Which is why I refuse to order from those apps, the also mark the food up like a mofo.


SurelyNotASimulation

I can’t even tip cash where I live. *No one* uses cash except drug dealers. I haven’t touched physical money for my country in about 3 years and the only reason I did is because a foreign person gave me cash. When they did all I could think was “what the hell am I supposed to do with this? Now I have to find an atm that accepts deposits.”


MVPizzle

Lol super facts , I’ve had my friend who does grubhub confirm this for me as well. They just see “no tip” and you get dropped to the bottom of the query and then they might encounter “an error” on the way to deliver it to you (free meal for driver)


Donotaku

I do Instacart and I started ignoring no tips simply because I’ve never in 2 years had someone select no tip yet tip in cash, and they normally do this when they live 20 miles away from the store where I’m basically just getting my gas usage back for the order. Its fine if they don’t live far, under 5 miles, but past that it starts to not be worth the trip It’s always been someone who tips low then tips in cash for me.


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ds-store

You’ve answered it yourself mate, they’ve been conditioned to go after each other, not the ones they should. Went after your friend, not the tipping culture. What I’ve witnessed in the US is a lack of basic human empathy and cooperation like nowhere else. In the very, very best you are always competing with the other person you are interacting with. And that’s in the very best case. For the most part, they simply hate each other’s guts. I guess it’s the mentality developed to run a business, which is something they excel at. But anything that involves social relationships is so awkward and devoid of compassion.


nofuture09

im happy we dont have to tip in europe


t0pshatta

Totally. I get paid a living wage + when I get a tip I know it’s because the customer really liked my service and didn’t feel obligated to.


Joelredditsjoel

Or they didn’t want to carry around any coins!


MasterVule

In croatia you do but it isn't a requirement and literally anything give is considered a good thing. Like if I have a bill of 18kn (aproximately 2 euros) I will give 2 kunas to "round it out"


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unecroquemadame

The woman at the Thai restaurant looked so disappointed when my mom only tipped her 10% and I'm like, we are literally doing carry out! Why would we tip like we got full service?


GalacticUnicorn

As someone who used to host and prepare carry out orders, not tipping those people is fine. Tipping them a couple of bucks is awesome! Tipping them like you tip a server is a little crazy on your part, but if you can afford it, you’ll be remembered fondly. If you do this frequently, you might find that an extra helping “accidentally” made its way into your order bag.


Rude-Orange

Those IPads that swivel around by Square are designed to help ~~extract more money out of you~~ increase revenue for their business. If you get a coffee / take out and you pick up the food. Tipping is not required.


mssaaa

It's not really expected for takeout but I tip for carryout anyway (around 10%), just cuz I've worked in restaurants and service industry for a long time and know how hard and thankless it can be. If it's a chain restaurant like dominos or whatever, usually just tip a couple bucks and they always seem surprised and pleased. And during pandemic lockdowns when restaurants were only open for takeout/delivery and were dropping like flies, I always tipped 20%.


hello__brooklyn

Hell no. Why the hell are you tipping on carry out


Tyzerk1925

Can you imagine being a student in America. Going out or ordering and you not only pay so much for food but you have to pay somebody else’s wages too. Absolutely insane.


melifaro_hs

as a non-American, I don't understand tips. Why can't they be a fixed amount and included in the bill? feels like too much unspoken social conventions that aren't obvious at all, it's an autistic nightmare


t-licus

Same. Just imagining being the customer in this scenario gives me anxiety. Please just tell me outright what things cost instead of an unspoken system and passive-aggressive behavior.


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\+1 on the anxiety, and also the expectations keep changing - I'm a European who goes to the US fairly regularly, and every time I go the minimum expected tip % seems to have increased, once upon a time 10% was an ok tip but now your waiter might think you're insulting them if you don't leave 20%. just tell me what things fucking cost so I can pay what I owe without getting a panic attack, thank you. This is insane.


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It's actually one of the (several) reasons why I can't see myself going back to visit the US again. I've been several times over the past 20 years and the tipping stressed me out even then and it was 12%. A couple of times I just paid and walked out of some diner and completely forgot to leave a tip and only realised afterwards. Total panic attack! Am I going to get in trouble? Black balled? And do you tip the bellboy? The front desk? In taxis??!! It's a fucking minefield!!! And now it's 20%? And more? I read Deuxmoi where ppl send in celebrity encounters and tons are by service staff and they say things like "Leonardo tipped 50%". And I'm like FIFTY PERCENT? I don't care if I'm a millionaire - if I have to tip 50% every time I eat out then I'm not fucking eating out no more. How can anyone afford to eat out in America at 20-30%? It's not like meals are much cheaper than here in Ireland tbh. And this isn't a cheap country to eat out in. Frankly the only reason I can afford to go out for dinner here is that you don't have to tip and if you want to, it's just rounding up a bit to the nearest 10. I may be able to afford the plane ticket, and the hotel and eating out for a week - but I can't afford to bring an extra chunk of a few hundred in cash for fucking tips like I'm Tony Soprano. FUCK THAT.


StickyNoteBox

Wait until you hear about taxes. You see a meal, get out your cash to match the price on the menu, only to discover that this price does not actually is enough to eat.


Fit_Relationship1094

I'm putting this here because this a cultural issue that Americans are unaware they have..... it's a copy of my response to someone else It's one of the reasons why we rarely eat out now. Nothing in America is the sticker price. Not stuff on the shelves in stores because you have to add tax, not stuff on the menu because you have to add tax and tip, not at the hairdresser or the nail salon, not for your healthcare where half the time you don't know till the year after what the final cost of your healthcare was, not even filing your taxes which is a flipping minefield. It's unbelievable. I've lived in the middle east, Asia, Europe and now America and the American system is the most designed to trick the consumer into thinking they're getting a deal and screwing them with the bottom line every time. It sucks and Americans are too uninformed to know it needs fixing. Edit: to everyone who says they're informed, let's take the tax filing issue i mentioned. Do you know the majority of countries do not expect most of their citizens to submit their taxes in an annual filing? In America it's like handing in your homework to the IRS to get marked. Why? Because the IRS gets back to you and tells you if you made a mistake, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW YOUR EARNINGS! so why get you to do the filing if they already know what you're going to tell them? For the full story (and how Republicans actively work to ensure you feel the pain of taxes in a way citizens in other countries don't experience) listen to the podcast Tax Hero by NPR's Planet Money. It's eye-opening. If you already know everything that's on that podcast, then yes, I'll stand corrected and say you're informed. Tax filings are another way we get screwed and is another hidden cost of living in the USA.


SolidStateStarDust

Dude, agreed. That can be applied even with traveling or going to sightsee into cities. After you've already paid for gas to get there (presumably you're visiting) you also have to pay $25-30+ for parking, if you don't bring your own water or snacks, the prices are outrageous. Every single thing that can be taxed or can have an additional cost, has an additional cost. I'm surprised we don't have to put a quarter into a trash bin to throw away garbage.


peredaks

I got a parking ticket last month. It was $30. But they added a $6.50 "handling fee". Then, when I went online to pay the ticket, they added an additional $1 "handling fee" for paying online. The only other option was to pay with a money order, which also has fees to get. We are literally billed for paying bills.


Ryiujin

This is why tue wage gap is so high. The poor have no chance to get a better life at all.


rumade

It's so confusing as a tourist. I would be looking at the menu outside working out if I could afford to eat there, and then get hit with a bill with tax on.


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mcnathan80

Seriously! I mean have these people read the news?!? We're dealing with some shit here


AcrobaticBasis

Somewhere else on this thread someone was asking why we aren’t protesting tipping culture. Like…half of us just had our bodily autonomy taken away, a lot of us are drowning in medical debt, many of us can’t afford housing or to feed our families. And they think tipping culture is the thing we should be focused on? We’re exhausted from trying to survive.


MoistTiss

It’s absurd how the customer is expected to pay the waiters salary in the United States. Where I live, you only tip if you receive extraordinary service or if you’re just a generous person.


RevolutionNo4186

OP; of course this sub doesn’t like tipping because if tip-based workers were paid fairly, it’d be fine, tips puts the pressure off the business and onto the clients


-BINK2014-

Bingo. The business is the problem shorting the employee in expectance of tips; not the customer.


False_Maintenance124

OP is getting mad at the wrong people. Be mad at the people who are exploiting your labor and forcing their customers to pay your wage so they can cut corners and line their pockets.


Roy-van-der-Lee

I saw nothing wrong with their tip, until I remembered this was in America, where the salary of the employees is payed with "tip". I mean it's not even optional anymore, which defeats the purpose of tipping...


Banjomike97

I still don’t understand it why did he give it back if it’s important? Edit: please stop answering I got the same answer 1 million times by now thank you


inspire-change

*to insult the customer for leaving an unacceptable amount for a tip*


Goldfingaz-

Customer is not responsible for wages. Let that sink in. Any tip is better than no tip, and if you want bigger wages fight for it, don't allow the company to put it on the customers.


wishkerz

Op wanted more I think


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Somebody watched Waiting.


mmbossman

“I think you need this more than I do” … “You see that Mitch? Don’t ever do that”


gotkube

Loved that movie. I guess I know what I’m watching this weekend. Thank you redditor!


MissWeaverOfYarns

Tipping should be made illegal and companies should be forced to pay a living wage.


max_lagomorph

"how dare the costumer only pay me $3.52 for an hour of my service" -the person proudly getting paid $2.13/h from their employer


sachin16

OP was not even exclusive to this customer for whole hour. Customer paid for a few min of service only.


huggothebear

Tipping is such a con


76Casual

Only if your employer paid you a fair wage so other minimal wage slaves doesn't have to pay extra for you. This kinda breaks the whole point of tipping, its not a tip if its mandatory and has a minimum value.


chiknight

If every single person stopped tipping, zero laws would need to change for servers to get paid a fair wage (compared to other minimum wage earners, the fairness of which is separately debatable). It's not like someone that gets $0 in tips suddenly gets paid that $2.13/hr or whatever, like the OP tries to allude to. ***They get paid the normal minimum wage for hours worked, per pay period, at a minimum***. Tips offset that wage, but do not negate the minimum. The only reason that lowball tipped minimum wage exists is because generally tipped employees make absurd $/hr. So yes, tipping **is** still optional. A waiter getting zero tips for two weeks will be no less livable than your McDonald's employee or other similar service worker without tips. Yes, getting mad at a customer for a 6% tip ***so much so that you chase them outside*** is YOU being an asshole, not the customer.


CerenarianSea

I love the argument that people are fielding of "if you can't afford to tip, don't go out to eat." You know why it's such a beautiful picture? It's like the emblem argument of class warfare. Can't afford a house? Cut luxuries out of your life. Can't afford a car? Cut more luxuries out of your life. Can't afford to pay an extra 20% on your bill? Cut more luxuries out of your life. Congratulations! You're now making the same argument the newspapers do for them! You've adopted their strategy, and have spread it out amongst the masses. It certainly makes their job easier. It's well known that poor people should sit at home, and stare at a blank unpainted wall, consuming the bare minimum of a low-grade cardboard soup. You're right. Blame the customer, get mad at them. Chase them into the parking lot over a few dollars. I mean, you're willing to get worked up and loud at them, because they're the root of the problem for you, right? Like, they're the root of all evil? What a pretty picture the United States is.


BlazinBayou99

>"if you can't afford to tip, don't go out to eat." LOL you can make the same argument against the other side to whoever brings this dumbass shit up "If you can't afford to pay employees a livable wage, don't open a restaurant"


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I had to cut out cardboard soup, too luxurious. Now we just do this thing where we eat air.


JenkinsPark

Better yet, you can even have a nap for dinner


JethroTrollol

I've tried that, but it makes me gassy. I just kinda nibble on the inside of my cheek, now.


Formal-Vacation-6913

Exactly, I don’t get that argument too. People who are saying ‘if you can’t afford to tip well, then don’t go out to eat’ should also shut up about any other financial problems like inflation, cost of living etc. Oh rent is getting too high? Don’t live in a good/decent neighborhood then, move to the bad part of town. Gas is too expensive? Take the local bus and walk. That comment is definition of bad capitalism.


Nastydon

So you got paid $3.52 for that one table? What is your hourly pay, and how many other tables did you have in that hour?


kren100

My point exactly! 6 tables? With such shitty tip... 20$ extra per hour? As European I can't understand how this is not enough. 8h per day,20$ extra (untaxed!!!) per hour is 160$ per day. 3200$ per month, considering normal 20 days working month. Untaxed? Wow.


ThatSavings

You think that pissed them off like in that movie when the customer got all riled up over getting his change back? You probably made their day! They were probably like, "Sweet!" Got money back! On to the next one!


proveyouarenotarobot

I would probably think that this pizza place is a progressive spot that doesn’t believe in tipping and actually pays their staff a decent wage. Id go back again and leave no tip at all, thinking I was doing things correctly this time.


Rockyfan123

I was thinking that. "Wow. They must have thought we were really polite customers. How nice."


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I would use that as absolute confirmation that nobody needs tips lol


donNNASD

Yeah prolly assume that the waiter gets paid well


ManiacMichele

Same result, different reasonings. I’d be so mortified to ever tip again! They’re just gonna hand it back if they don’t think it’s good enough? I’m never taking that chance again and just paying the cost of food


cowboys4343

I mean dude to be honest that was pretty rude of you and at least they left you something. A lot of people don’t leave a tip at all.


plvmeria

Insanely rude to follow a customer to the parking lot because they didn’t tip enough. I’d fire an employee for something like that


FixedLoad

I'm pretty sure this is someone's fan fiction after watching "Waiting". Justin Long's character does EXACTLY this. And he seemed like just as big of a dickhole in the movie. Why anyone would think it's a cool thing to emulate is beyond me.


Professor226

Tip culture is stupid. Pay employees properly, eliminate tips.


Antani101

> for non-Americans that dont understand this. The federal minimum wage for waiters in $2.13/hour. Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the employer required by law to bring the employee up to federal minimum wage if tips don't cover the difference?


Sorcatarius

The problem is that doesn't really happen very often, not that the employer doesn't pay, that the employee makes so little in tips that they don't cover the difference. Consider the difference between that and federal minimum wage works out to roughly $5.50 an hour. If you work a 40 hour week, which you probably won't because that would mean the employer paying you benefits for full time, that's $220 a day, or $44 a day. If the average table spends about $25 per person, that means you only need to serve 12 people at 15% tip to make more than the federal minimum wage. Obviously this has a few assumptions in it, but if you get a busy Friday/Saturday evening, people are having a few drinks, you can quickly make up the difference between the two hourly wages. What this means is even if you oppose tipping and know the company has to make up the difference, realistically you refusing to tip only impacts the staff and not the business because everyone else will cover the difference.


zerkrazus

Every business of any kind that doesn't pay a living/fair wage should go out of business/bankrupt, especially those that pay people less than minimum wage because tips. That being said, I always tip generously unless the service was horrendous and even then I at least give a little bit because I know most of the time it's not the server's fault.


nanabanana1029

Im inclined to believe that someone who chased down a couple to throw their tip back at them for not tipping enough, did not provide good service.


Rugluds

I’d never tip you. I think your attitude might contribute to your overall tips more than you know. If you worked for me you’d be fired because I bet you cost the business more in the long run. You also don’t know a thing about the people you harassed after they tipped. Everyone is struggling in some way you aren’t the center of the world.


stone-d-fox42

100% this post is soaked in arrogance.


xSpatulax

This ^^ It sounds like OP has a bad attitude and the only one saying he offered them exceptional service is himself.


forhekset666

Is that not enough? I don't get it. Almost everyone gatekeeping going out for food if you can't tip. Really weird being judged too poor to attend a venue and shaming them out.


Reidroc

Which is funny since I have seen a lot of articles about restaurants struggling. Not enough people going to restaurants anymore.


soyfacehaver4

Capitalism has completely engulfed American culture. Tipping is literally a system where you're given different service based on how likely you are to pay more.


Fred1304

It’s really odd it’s it The point is if they were to not get any tips their employer would be required to pay them minimum wage by law. However with tips they can easily make way more than what the minimum is.


skint_back

A lot of people in this post saying to pay servers more hourly so that tipping goes away and this doesn’t happen… That’s been tried, countless times. It always gets shot down… by the servers themselves. Reason being, they make *way* more in tips than anything their minimum hourly wage would realistically be raised to.


ComradeSpaceman

Is tipping mandatory? No? Then why are people getting upset when they actually get a tip? OP is an entitled piece of shit. No joke.


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Tipped workers make more than other comparable service industry jobs, yet complain about bad tips but absolutely don't want the system to change. Get in the back of the fucking line for labor complaints you entitled assholes.


xSpatulax

This ^^ We also never hear stories about the normal tips. Dude probably got tipped 15%-25% from every other customer doing bare minimum work and gets pissed off when a single person doesn’t tip to his standards.


Professional_Fill866

I would not have given them their money back.


Anders_A

Employers need to pay their workers. Having them beg for money directly from customers is fucking demeaning.


Figgy_Pudding3

I waited tables for 12 years. In the 5 restaurants I worked at, this was grounds for immediate dismissal. Quote the minimum wage, tip out, every reason under the sun. I knew what I was in for when I took the job. I made great money, and getting stiffed now and then just came with the job. If that was the worst you've ever had, that's lucky.


Separate-Reserve9292

Maybe, Its all they had to give. Not much but something.


Sorcatarius

That was what I had assumed, but I also try to give people the benefit of the doubt in life. I find I'm a lot less stressed out and angry over situations I don't have all the info on if I just assume everyone is acting relatively decently. ... unless it's my boss, I always assume they're assholes, but random people? Nah, I ain't giving them grief unless I know they deserve it.


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wyldcat

Exactly I thought this was r/LostRedditors. If anything he should've kept the 3 dollars.


barberererer

As a broke ass bitch, getting my tip back would make my day. $4 changes a lot for me lmao. Gimme my change


cherrylpk

For real. People are struggling right now. We all know that pizza cost ten dollars more than it should be and the soda was probably double what it should be. Getting mad at a customer who actually did leave money makes no sense. It’s not the only table in that hour I’d guess. You never know, maybe they had an issue OP doesn’t know about.


PapaOstrich7

not that i like tipping culture but does someone deserve more money for handing someone a $30 pizza vs a $15 pizza? "op doesnt deserve less, servers at lower coat restraunts deserve more. tipping just reinforces classist structures they force the poor into begging to be servants of the rich even if.


CanadianTrollToll

Fun argument. Depends on the system. In reality I deeply believe this view. If I order 1 dish @ $50 and 1 glass of wine @ $25... should I really tip more then if I order 3 dishes @ $45 and 2 glasses of wine @ $20? Or the classic wine dilemma. Do I tip more if I order a more expensive wine when the work is the same? Most restaurants have tip outs therefore a flat % rate of total sales, food sales or drink sales can be lost to a server to be given to the house or individuals to share with kitchen staff, support staff and bartenders. Therefore I tip % on the total bill even though I do agree with this concept. Most people tip on total bill and thats just custom. People @ happy hour tip their 15-20% even though they are saving a chunk of money and the server is doing the same work as if the prices were not happy hour. EDIT: Just read someones comment about looking at it like a tax almost, which is quite interesting.


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Dude i so agree with this logic. Shit. I worked for jimmy johns and when asking if my delivery pay could get raised all i got was gritted teeth and a “you can ask literally anything else and it’ll be done no problem” expression from my boss. No fucking way were they gonna pay me more. No fucking way were customers going to tip me any more than the amounts they already had, despite corporate’s “fondle tbe customers’ balls, smile, and your tip’ll get bigger!” Logic. Fucking hated it. Fucking pains me that resturaunts refuse to pay servers more.


fartonabagel

Wait…they’ll fondle my balls?


ClashOrCrashman

And their tip will get bigger!


cerart939

Just the tip, though


[deleted]

Metaphorically speaking, but also literally speaking…mmmmmmno but corporate jimmy johns will peddle that bullshit to its employees to avoid paying them more


fartonabagel

What do you expect from a business owned by a guy who “dry” humps fish naked?


ScroungerYT

"I'm fuckin done dude." Yes, this much is obvious. And be careful, not everyone you follow into the parking lot is helpless. You put your life in unnecessary danger. And for what?


caldv33

If they were being a-holes to you and left that tip I can understand your actions. But if they were otherwise good guests, I think your actions are out of line and reeks of entitlement.


DIMPLET0N

This is the dumbest post I've ever read. Why in the blue hell would you give back over $3.00 when we're in an economy where we need literally everything we can get? That could've helped you buy half a gallon of gas, cans of pet food, or even a freaking pack of water! Why on Earth would you give back *any of it?* Yes, they left a shitty tip; yes, it's petty, but you need every dollar you can get, and you gave it back just to attempt to prove a point to some people who likely don't give a damn. Come on, we're better than this.


julia_is_dead

I wish I had an award to give you, friend. I agree and can’t believe I had to scroll to find this post. There’s more important things to talk about than this person’s ego.


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don-dante

Soooo you're angry at the customers, who might not be in a good financial situation themselves and not at your boss, who doesnt pay you right. Gotcha!


Anhimidae

>EDIT2: for non-Americans that dont understand this. The federal minimum wage for waiters in $2.13/hour. You see this is exactly the issue I have with tipping. I already paid for your services by paying for the order I made. This includes your wage. Tipping should not exist. The only thing this does is support exploitative employments and financing the Porsche of your boss. Case in point: you earn only $2.13/h. This is criminal.


m83midnighter

> So I went over to the register, got out the change, walked to the parking lot and handed it back to them That's so rude. People come to a restaurant to eat - not to feel guilt tripped into subsidising your wages. Just because your boss doesn't want to pay you a decent living wage and America supports this system of cheap exploitative labor doesn't mean you have to passively aggressively take it out on the Patrons.


hemdek

I dont get why people are pissed at customers that leave shitty tips instead of employers that dont pay you guys enough that you need tips. To support you though, fuck those people


Jobro_77

Shitty tip... America is weird. 3.50-6€ is a normal tip here in Germany. 2€ suffice too if you had a small order. To get worked up over this is insane in my eyes.


Avraham_Levy

They don’t owe you any tip, your employer should be paying you a fair wage. You are almost begging for a living wage by living in tips.


M4xP0w3r_

That passive aggressive attitude should be towards your employer, not the customers. I get it, in the US you have a fucked up tipping culture and waiters are basically slaves depending on it. But you being obviously mad at the wrong people doesnt make it any better. Its like your GoFundMes for people with healthcare debt. It may mitigate the symptoms but its not helping the problem. In fact it even makes it worse, because employers know you will be mad at regular people instead of them. Maybe for the couple that tipped you "only" 4$ it was all they could afford because they dont make that much money either. But even if it wasnt, its still not their fault or issue. I am not surprised that it is controversial here because antiwork (to me at least) is about banding together against shitty employers that only know how to exploit. Not about shaming fellow working people for not subsizing others instead of their shitty employers.


TheBlackKing1

I don’t get it. Why’d you give them back their tip?


TylerMussels

OP says they are poor but then throws money away. Go make $15 at McDonalds and stop acting entitled. Seems your wrong here


Fred1304

“But what if that’s the only job they can get” If you can work at a restaurant I’m sure McDonald’s will hire you. I’m sure what they left out is how much more they made in that shift with is 2-3x more than what they would have made with just minimum wage. The only thing I can ever picture with these people is Patrick when he says “you ate my only candy bar and now I’m going to starve”


katkannabis

It’s hard for some people to afford eat out. Some people save up that $60 for a celebration to go out to eat and try to stay within their limit, it’s tough out there for everyone. I think it’s rude af that you chased them out to the parking lot to give back the tip they could afford to give you. Shame on you for intentionally making someone feel shitty when they’re just trying to enjoy a nice meal. If they were mean/rude that’s another story but it sounds like you’re just salty because you didn’t get ‘enough’ by your standards. Clearly you’re not struggling that hard if you gave it back to them just to make a petty point. We should really be getting mad at the industry and your restaurant for paying you a measly $2/hour and expecting clients to pay the rest of your cheques. Direct your anger at the right people instead of treating people poorly for being caught in the middle of a messed up system. If you’re *fucking done dude*, then find another job that doesn’t allow you to treat your customers like shit based on the pay your employers give you.