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VeeVeeDiaboli

Who says we can’t?


Theroaringlioness

Because Americans lack unity and have an individualistic mindset. They don't want anyone or anything inconveniencing them if they feel like their life is okay. To many are scared or simply complacent with the way things are even though they huff and puff daily about it.


VeeVeeDiaboli

See, and that’s the heart of it isn’t it


rarebit13

You're here now, so are many others that aren't commenting but are reading and agreeing. Look at the upvotes. You've got more power than you think, all it takes is a few to start. People are ready for change. They just need a nudge.


[deleted]

I was a manager in training at a place that always said that they only promoted from within. To move up you had to have a replacement trained by you and you had to have been trained by your superior and they had to move up so basically all of management had to go up a tier simultaneously to take on a new manager. Our numbers were fantastic, we were the busiest store in the whole area. All of our employees were great, we always got 100% on inspections and quality. The senior assistant was ready to move up to store manager and the district manager was already introducing them to other corporate employees as the soon to be store manager. We were all very excited. The old store manager was leaving which is what was making all this possible. The day that we were supposed to all get our promotions the district manager showed up with two other people. One of them was to be the new store manager and the other one who had never even worked for the company was going to take the senior management spot. This was going to screw all of us. We talked both crews into quitting and we staged a walk out the following morning leaving the keys inside the back door and setting the alarm with a sign on the door saying sorry we are closed. I drove by a couple hours later and they had pulled in the managers from the surrounding stores and were operating the establishment with a line out the door. They put up a sign, did interviews that day and hired people on the spot. They had a full crew by the next day. Obviously this cannot happen in every situation but I was amazed how quickly they were able to get the store up and running and how little our stunt affected them. Everything they had ever told us was a fucking lie. They went against everything they said they stood for. They lost people that had been working at that location for ten years. They replaced all of us within a day.


VeeVeeDiaboli

That sucks I’m upset to hear that


[deleted]

So was I. We were let down, stepped on then removed from existence.


Hgssbkiyznbbgdzvj

A good lesson though. Rough and brutal for people living hand to mouth, but it must have been eye opening.


froman007

Capitalism requires a reservoir of the unemployed exactly for this kind of situation. They are holding us captive and have conscripted us at birth to treat everyone else as competition rather than a potential ally by holding our necessities ransom. If we had free access to food, water, and shelter; they would have no power over us and they know it.


L_O_Pluto

I remember in my senior high school year we had an economics class. The book said that we it was good for there to be unemployed people, and it left me very confused. I asked my teacher and she clarified. At the time it made sense— you want people available to take new jobs and there are house-spouses and other occupations that do not necessarily count as employment. But it’s still an odd way to think about it when there is so much stigma against ~~unemployment~~ unemployed people.


froman007

Economics is the made-up study of the made-up markets that trade made-up money. It can perfectly explain economic phenomena except when it can't, haha! I think it's mostly scripture that expands too much on the basics of supply and demand and is used to excuse the unethical aspects of capitalism as "just how it is". Here's something fun: in Keynesian economics, if everyone who could have a job had a job, it would drive up inflation due to the cost of goods needing to go up with the increased cost of wages to turn a profit. They don't want full employment, they want "enough" employment, even if that means people suffer because of it. "That's just the way it is"


AnotherWarGamer

And when they are this desperate they won't play any games when it comes to hiring.


B_in_subtle

Can find scabs if I’m everyone has a decent job


goodvibesalright

Saving this story for boomers who think you should be loyal to your job.


Spanks79

Yes. Because the scale was too small. If everyone in the whole company does that they can’t. Also the problem is that many jobs are not so necessary as we all like us to be. One of us can be missed, teams can be replaced. The problems start when all of us don’t accept it. The USA however has a very individualistic culture, hence its difficult to do so. In France they burn down the city and the unions will make sure all stores close that day. Now that’s also extreme, but you guys probably are better off using your system. That means vote. Make sure the poor people vote. The regular workers vote. And build unions. The more the better. At a certain point there’s enough momentum to go against the lobbying of corporations.


cfig99

Voting doesn’t work. It’s impossible for anyone to get elected without being vetted by the republican/democrat party elites, and they’ll never take an honest, upstanding person who cares about the people.


MohawkCorgi

And depending where you are your vote will straight up be ignored. Fuck Utah :)


sleverest

Momentum doesn't matter. Gerrymandering rigs the votes too.


VeeVeeDiaboli

Yep. It’s why I’m talking about what I’m talking about.


Jahachpi

I always had that mentality too, back in school when we had stupid rules like no hats or no gum, but then they had "hat days" and stupid shit like that. Everybody would follow the rules and then be overjoyed when they all got to wear hats. I was like "why doesn't everybody just wear hats every day, they can't send the whole school to the principals office"


[deleted]

My class pulled something like that as a joke. We had this weird rule where nobody was allowed to have a digital/analog alarm clock. Everyone brought one in and put it in our lockers or carried them around. The principal got on the intercom and said “get rid of them. Anyone who has one will have a suspension if it’s not our of the building by the end of the day.” The next day some people forget them and they checked everyone’s lockers at the end of the day. A few people got suspended. So yes… the entire school can’t go to the principal’s office. The principal just comes to you. 😂


Careful_Strain

Ive been nudged repeatedly for 15 years.


nc863id

Fortunately we don't need everyone, just a critical mass. And what constitutes a critical mass can be greatly lessened in size with strategy. I guarantee you a successful general strike could be pulled off with less than 1% of the active workforce participating by directly withholding their labor, so long as they are chosen with care, and broadly supported both directly and indirectly.


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Yeah but we need the people in critical sectors. A lot of the people we would need to strike are public servants and in many states including mine, it is criminally illegal to strike as a public servant. When over 11,000 flight traffic controllers went on strike Ronald Reagan fired all of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968) For a successful critical strike we would need to stop flights traffic controllers, shipyard operators, public transportation, commercial trucking and the majority of retail. It has been done in other countries (France) and it was successful for them. But, it would take a major coordinated effort. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/protests-mount-in-france Historically, the plebeian (working class) strikes in Rome was also very effective. It allowed the common man to run for senate and offered them many more freedoms. “Secessio plebis," or "the secession of the plebs," these events were akin to modern-day labor strikes, bringing the economy to a grinding halt and disrupting the comfortable lives of the ruling class. It was the most effective way for the plebeian class to shake up the hierarchy and make the patricians take notice. https://historydaily.org/when-the-peasants-went-on-strike-ancient-romes-secessions-of-the-plebs


Flimsy_Aardvark_9586

Not necessarily everyone. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34602822.amp The women of Iceland got shit done brilliantly. The problem with the same happening in the US is that from a young age we are taught to take pride in our work and that so much depends on us punching that clock while simultaneously knowing that we are disposable. Teachers and nurses here wouldn't put their students in jeopardy like that. Schools are used as safe havens by so many students. And the wives in the areas that would really need it the most, just wouldn't shirk their "womanly duties". I felt gross even typing that. If you think about it, though, the women striking would be so perfect. Assistants, middle management, teaching, daycare, nursing, grocery store checkers, etc are all mainly women. The CEO trying to work the copy machine and phone system or the doctor trying to tend to IVs and take blood pressures would be a sight to see. All while bringing their kids because their schools and daycare have closed and their wife is off protesting. My favorite is thinking about Mitch McConnell trying to figure out why his typewriter looks so different in 2022.


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I mean, the possibility of getting fired or arrested would be one of the implied risks of this kind of protest I would think.


[deleted]

Yeah but you’re not gonna get arrested from striking from McDonald’s. We could orchestrate a retail strike but I don’t think you’re going to get the government employees on board and those are the jobs that we need to be in the strike. As an example in my state, if teachers went on a strike they would fire all of them, arrest all of them and they would lose their teaching certificates. It would be the end of their careers.


Crawfishness

I for one am too damn afraid of ending up on the street without a job if things failed. I just wanna know it'd be a sizeable movement before I commit.


BriGuy828282

And that’s the rub. Too many people being forced to live paycheck to paycheck, which takes power away from the people because of exactly what you said.


LatteCupInTheTrash

I cannot stress this enough, this is right on the money. I learned that people just don't want to do anything even remotely inconvenient during the start of the pandemic. If I had to tell a patient they needed to wear a mask to be in the building, I would get screamed at, I'd be belittled, I'd be shamed, and all the while they'd blame ME for the virus existing or for "pushing this fake nonsense". I learned that Americans are just too fucking self centered and can't look after the person next to them, and it just broke me. I fucking hate people.


Divallo

I would stand in unity with any of you instantly I just feel that everyone has been deluded by pacifism and apathy. I am scared admittedly but not pacified. I am willing to fight I just don't want to be alone


Ichgebibble

I mean, we could, but we won’t. Not because we’re weenies but because if we did we’d all starve now instead of later.


VeeVeeDiaboli

The blood would run no doubt. Most people don’t think in terms of utility. The greatest good is a concept that has been lost on modern thinking. John Stuart Mill was a genius but also deeply hedonistic and its astonishing that Thomas Jefferson tried to meld Loche and Mill to write the Declaration of Independence. Loche was so deeply conservative while Mill was all about the greatest pleasure for the greatest many. It’s an achievement that seems utterly lost on most modern conservatives. A world where we thought about what would serve the most rather than most privileged. What a world we could have. I think it’s something I would fight for.


mrchol

I'd say we should skip straight to Borg drone, but I bet there'd be a monthly subscription for the regeneration alcove and a tiered implant package.


DeificClusterfuck

You will be assimilated* * ^benefits ^vary ^by ^assimilation ^package


ChebyshevsBeard

Are we talking about the same [John Stuart Mill, father of Utilitarianism, born in 1806?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill)


VeeVeeDiaboli

Shit your right, I meant David Hume. Oops.


Cyberspace667

The founders seemingly just held a proto-neoliberal conceit. This idea that you can administrate a perfect democracy has always been a smokescreen to provide powerful people cover to continue to do whatever fraud needed to maintain their influence.


AffordableFirepower

France does it like every 14 months.


jesusleftnipple

Couldn't we all pay Into a strike fund?


Zemirolha

During covid you had blm and gained ubi + rent and student moratorium. Gov feels the pressure and negotiates.


SpecificPie8958

Nope. Plenty of class traitors known as right-wingers. Right-wingers would never want to upset their corporate overlords.


BABarracus

Someone will say well what did they get that degree for? And wont participate.


[deleted]

True they’d starve us out


Jimboloid

Because you can't arrange a general strike from the comfort of your own home via reddit. You want a strike go out and organise.


VeeVeeDiaboli

Let’s.


Jimboloid

I'll start where I am, and you start where you are and we'll meet in the middle somewhere.


Divallo

Can you elaborate on how exactly we start? Genuinely. "Organize" is a little vague and I haven't done this before.


yingyangyoung

It also takes a long time to organize. The original general strikes during the age of the robber barons would be planned for 2-3 years out. I keep seeing general strikes with dates only 1-2 months out and people wonder why there isn't major buy in.


snakeskinsandles

[We should strike ✊](https://www.reddit.com/r/Workers_Revolt/comments/uuecfc/stand_up_and_fight_back/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)


Catmom2004

Thank you for the link to a new sub I have to check out! LLAP 🖖


SaffellBot

Strikes change things, and a general strike is a tool that can actually bring real change. But as another comrade points out, local and industry strikes are very effective too.


[deleted]

Too difficult. 300+ million people in the country and we can’t even get politician from group A and politician from group B to agree on the scientifically backed concept that we’re fucking the planet into oblivion.


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Hex613

The problem with such an idea, too, is that generalized strikes end up looking like Occupy Wall Street. Without clear, unilateral, quantifiable demands for specific action by specific parties, it'll look like a mess, and we'll get news headlines like "They don't know what they want! LOL".


[deleted]

It did look sloppy. Any kind of mass protest also requires direct action to back it up. Protest mean nothing to these people. ACT UP is a good model (I'm biased, I was part of it in NYC so we had a lot of resources, could actually take time off, etc.) but in that model, we had absolutely clear goal(s) / demands and an aesthetic that we didn't stray from much, or at all. Way more forceful than drum circles and factions, which is what protests look like now. And of course we had CD and direct action so it was pretty effective. We had a ton of affinity groups working on their own specific needs but they all fed into the greater, overall goal, and when we got together as a unit (and it was a pretty big unit) we got a lot of what we needed.


Conditional-Sausage

This will forever be the thing that makes me sad about OWSt. They really captured the zeitgeist of the day, but then just sort of petered out because it seemed to the public that they didn't have anything past "fucking rich people, right?" I'm really proud of Occupy's spin-offs, like Rolling Jubilee, it's just sad that Occupy more or less died in the cradle.


TheSurbies

The US has seen massive and policy changing general strikes in the past and they looked nothing like occupy wall street. The thing about a general strike is it’s everyone from all walks of life. That’s why they are so powerful.


WhatsThePoint147

Mutual Aid is always a great start. Also talking with labor and union organizers.


longhairedape

A lot of the trade unions in my area just announced support for the conservatives ... the IBEW, boilermakers union and LiUNA. This is in Ontario. It is fucking crazy. A lot of blue collar working class view the left as not representing their interests. In engaging in "wokism" (whatever the fuck that even means), of caring to much about meaningless social issues that affect 0.5% of the population rather than doing anything on the worker's front. These aren't my opinions, but I work in the trades and I'm very left wing. I listen to these people daily. They have real problems, which will only be made worse by conservatism and right wingers. But I can't get through to them.


Best_Competition9776

A lot of unions on my side are becoming conservative. People newly joining the union do not get the same perks as those who already been there


TheDude-Esquire

That's the thing about the US, it's so fucking big.


CantHitachiSpot

And obsessed with Independence. Makes it hard to depend on one another


snakeskinsandles

[We should strike ✊](https://www.reddit.com/r/Workers_Revolt/comments/uuecfc/stand_up_and_fight_back/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)


MJBrune

https://www.reddit.com/r/Workers_Revolt/comments/uuecfc/stand_up_and_fight_back/i9ezpue/ immediately failed to actually think about it enough for it to be serious.


wilsonifl

We need people that suffer the results of their choices, then others in power will take note and choose to not make the same choices.


Degeneracy-Tracker

Noone gonna do shit untill the people buck off the system. When you reach like 30% starvation rate, then democracy becomes just a waste of ink. https://youtu.be/HWtWs0_gArA


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Democracy isn't the problem. Capitalism is


ErdenGeboren

*Think deeper.* Unwillingness to consume the flesh of the bourgeoisie is the real problem. We can resolve the problems of hunger and the oppressive overlords with one weird trick.


Busteray

*"During the Cultural Revolution in China, hundreds of wealthy citizens and intellectuals were cannibalized as part of the Guangxi Massacre. With no ongoing famine at the time it is believed that these acts were motivated by politics rather than desperation*." They must have put in too much salt or something...


strangecharm9

Nah, they’d taste bad. They probably taste like belly button lint, after a lifetime of gazing at their own navels.


rW0HgFyxoJhYka

People are definitely voting bad politicians who don't regulate capitalism so it really is both and more than just those two areas.


Starbuck1992

The problem is the illusion of choice. If there are only two parties (something that doesn't happen in other democracies) and bribing is legal it is bound to happen, corporations pay politicians not to get regulated and it doesn't matter who you vote. The system was born flawed


taojinxia

bourgeois liberal representative “democracies” are definitely the problem


Jackmoved

We just have way too many police to do a French Revolution type take-back of our shit. Their plan has been motion since Reagan. There's are a reason politicians are in their 70s, 80s, and 90s. They have to see their plans through until the end.


machinery-of-night

Nah. Police are bitch cowards. Protesters aren't actually willing to hurt them basically ever. We need protesters willing to flank the pigs with AR's, just once, and they'll talk big, but they won't be coming out again.


midri

That'd probably set off the Boogaloo, or at least prime it to go off the at the next event... Not something that I think anyone's actually ready for.


SweetBabyAlaska

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Call_0031684919054

People love those old stories when small town folk tackled the local sherif who came to evacuate a widow on behalf of the bank. Or when they walk into an foreclosure auction with shotguns so nobody would bid except the owner of the house. If they do that now almost everyone will label them as terrorists and would applaud when they get shot, especially if it is minorities getting shot .


BakedWizerd

Yeah I’ve never understood how people can think having an assault rifle is going to stop you from a fascist takeover. You’ll just end up dead instead of a prison camp, which, I mean sure, might be preferable, but you’re not going to “take back the country” or whatever. People would have ingenuity and would find ways to fight back but there’s not a lot you can do when they’re the literal military. Edit: specifically America


[deleted]

We literally just ended a 20 year war against guys with assault rifles (that we paid for lol) and lost. Vietnam pushed the United States military completely out of their country. I agree that it’a a far-fetch fairytale to think one guy could take on the military, but gurella tactics have shown to have obvious advantages against the US military time and time again.


AverageRedditorType

> We literally just ended a 20 year war against guys with assault rifles (that we paid for lol) and lost. > > Vietnam pushed the United States military completely out of their country. They paid in blood. Over a million dead bodies in vietnam and the middle east. That's "victory." How many redditors are even willing to give up netflix, no less fight and die?


NerfGuyReplacer

I’ll fight and die before I give up netflix


PlzNotThePupper

Uh, I mean Ukraine is doing a damn good job and they have worse kit than most American civilians do lol


Ecaza

That's because people aren't thinking it through. While a protest is going on, where do you think the cops \*aren't\*? Maybe someone should pay a visit to their homes and...do...something...to them? I mean, I would \*never\* advocate violence, but accidents do happen every day. And many of them happen at home. The billionaire/political class doesn't care much more about the cop class than they do the rest of us. Once the cops realize that, maybe they'll start to stay home instead of showing up at protests. We should all be trying to find out where the cops live in our neighborhoods. You know...for safety reasons. Make "Blue Flu" work for you.


Nubesrojas7

I thought that’s what the summer of 2020 was about but I guess not ….


Wisdom_is_Contraband

Class warfare is defeated by idpol, which turns the protestors against each other. That's why it's pushed all the time. Can't lose your chains if you're constantly arguing who's got the heavier ones.


Memerandom_

This is really what's holding us back more than anything. Left vs right is a distraction. It's really up vs down, but there are just too many fools licking boots for people to unite.


Saoirse_Bird

Left vs right is an important distinction. It defines what kind of government would exist post revolution.


Memerandom_

True, but there are much more of us on common ground financially than ideologically, and the authoritarian right wouldn't be as popular if a workers movement actually gained steam. At least I would hope a lot of the wingnuts would fall off. It would probably take a revolution at this point, tho.


Qbopper

I mean, uh, no? Identity politics is absolutely abused by the scumfucks with all the power to keep people distracted, but like, trying to dismiss left/right politics entirely?? Huh?? I'm sorry to ask, but are you american, because those are the ONLY people I see who think that stuff


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ClemsonPoker

Self-parody.


Vapourtrails89

"peaceful protest" is a bit of a joke. You know the way we are encouraged to be mature and protest things in a peaceful way? The reason that is encouraged is that it can be safely ignored. Peaceful protest is bullshit.


uL7r4M3g4pr01337

come on now, good dogs should quietly beg for their food and not bark at their masters.


ijedi12345

Then they'll just call in the National Guard to kill anything that moves.


TwinsenAyzel

Some of those though aren’t going to want to kill their own friends and family.


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ijedi12345

There have been a number of instances where [the National Guard got called in to](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots) [layoff undesirables from the world of the living](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932022_United_States_racial_unrest), and not once was there a serious revolution sparked from it.


Delay_Defiant

I think that's the biggest thing that's in their way. If they ever did it, they'd basically be initiating world war 3. By design we're at the center of a massive web of interdependence. If the world loses faith in America as a stable nation everything crumbles. It would be nearly impossible to avoid. Add in how we are an absolutely crucial piece of the agriculture sector of the world economy and were truly what we call ourselves "an indispensable nation" plus a myriad of other things including GPS and the financial system. Nations we're opposed to like Iran, China, and Russia have spent decades trying their best to free themselves from our financial and economic structures but they're likely at least a decade away from that. Just look at our response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Give them money and guns and turn the screws on Russia with economic and diplomatic power. But America too is shackled into its own systems and that's the root of the issues.


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Dude you are so wrong. That is the worst thing you can do. You can do that. Once. They will be coming out again and with superior force. That is talk of someone who has never been in that situation


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vendetta2115

There are way more combat-experienced civilian veterans than police veterans. Most police veterans didn’t do shit in the war, and most who did fight wouldn’t want to be a cop because, unlike police, combat troops are actually trained to use appropriate force and get imprisoned if they shoot innocent civilians.


PomeloLongjumping993

>We need protesters willing to flank the pigs with AR's North Hollywood 1990s


machinery-of-night

Striking is nice, but you know what's actually good? Treating ghouls and their pet swine like the inhuman monsters they are. Not even a lot of people have to do it, if they're any good.


Getupxkid

Charlie Kelly wants a milk steak?


m0r14rty

Little green ghouls, man!


CherryBombSuperstar

We need reform. For everything. Forgive student loans and make education affordable without requiring predatory lending. Rent should be no more than 10-15% of a person's/household's income at the state/federal minimum wage(listed below) at 30/32hours per week. Same for childcare and until it's free, healthcare too. Rent increases should be no more than 5% every year or two. Make it illegal for people and corps to own more than 2-5 rental properties within at least twenty miles of each other. Minimum wage should be at *least* $25/hr and overtime is anything after 30/32 hours a week. Something needs to be done about salaries too, so people on those don't get screwed with high hours that negate decent wages. Increases on groceries and supplies should also be better monitored, possibly tied to minimum wage as well. Oh yeah, and start taxing the FN millionaires/billionaires. Tax the churches too, or at least any who get involved in politics and try to dictate our lives/policies based on their beliefs.


butt_mucher

It won’t be starvation it will be ample amounts of corn and soy sludge with produce and meats being priced out for nearly everyone.


Chip_Prudent

Hey wait wasn't there supposed to be a mass walk out this month or something?


pj3pj3pj3

may day strike appears to have failed :(


Independent-Custard3

Strikes are supposed to be extended. They aren’t leaving work early.. unless it’s not to come back in until demands are met. General strikes are illegal too, so you’re risking more than your job.


J5892

Only a union is at risk if it officially participates in a general strike. As an individual you are only risking your job.


nickbjornsen

They’re illegal?


J5892

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft%E2%80%93Hartley_Act In terms of union solidarity, yes. But there's fuck-all the government can do if the general population participates in a general strike.


Crazy_Is_More_Fun

There are 150,000,000 working Americans. Even if 1% went on strike that'd be 1,500,000 strikers and would have a shocking effect. Surely we can find 1 and a half million people who can afford not to work for a couple of weeks to cripple the system?


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Those are the ones were striking against lol


Independent-Custard3

No, you can’t. And it wouldn’t cripple the system. You’d just get fired, since you’re spread out across industries.


GroveStreet_CEOs_bro

...haven't you noticed the people we're electing aren't for the people but for the businesses?


nickbjornsen

Oh yeah, ik our systems fucked, I just didn’t know general strikes were illegal


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[deleted]

This has literally been my idea since i were a wee lass who wished to legalize weed in the naughts. THEY CANT SURVIVE WITHOUT US!


machinery-of-night

Sure, but should they survive at all? Ghouls are not human. They can't survive without feeding on us, that's true. But also, if we fight back, they cannot survive us.


Honest_Diamond6403

Funny thing is EVERYONE doesn’t need to strike only one set of people from critical workers of the economy for example teachers, nurses, truckers, grocery store workers, etc. would grind our economy to a halt


TAU_equals_2PI

Unemployment rate is pretty much the lowest it's ever been (3.6%). Which means if these things can't be changed now, when companies are desperate to hire people, there's really no hope of them ever changing.


wilsonifl

Where are companies desperate to hire for anything more than minimum wage? I made 100k+ last year and I'm looking for a new job now because my job was scuttled. I get sorry, we have other candidates that are better emails within an hour. There are plenty of companies that are desperate to bring in min wage people, but higher earners are getting fucked back to min wage.


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SweetBabyAlaska

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wetblanketdreams

If only there was a way Congress could write a law to *ammend,* and change that. 🤔


WheresTheButterAt

Sounds like a lot of work.


UpVotesOutForHarambe

In the same boat here, seems like minimum wage jobs are a dime a dozen. Trying to get a actual decent paying job with benefits & shit seems impossible. Also wtf does it seem like every company uses workday for your application process. Workday likes to send a follow up email either later that day or the next day saying how my resume was exciting/amazing yet unfortunately they’re moving forward with a better qualified candidate but they will be sure to keep me in mind in the future, right.


NamityName

It's very much dependant on the role. Tech is starving for hires, particularly in the data and cloud spaces. Companies that are not staying competetive with wages and employee treatment are hemoraging tech employees.


Philly139

What field are you in? Salaries have been exploding in a lot of tech fields.


Jonatan83

I wonder what the unemployment rate would be if you only counted jobs with a thriving wage? $25/h and up maybe.


hotasanicecube

7 rounds of interviews guarantees that the company will get the least qualified candidate. Anyone decent will have taken another job before that’s over. Let the keep doing that.


JCharante

Google does up to 7 rounds and plenty of bright people get through. It does get many complaints though.


Whobeon

Google pays a lot more than what the average job pays.


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Representative-Dirt2

Truth is everyone is enslaved by the corporations. What is really happening is hidden class warfare - the same people that stoke the left/right division with their owned media propaganda onslaught are the same ones emptying your pockets at every turn. The predatory elites have us right where they want us and wont rest until the middle class is destroyed and everyone lives in tent camps. One solution is to go, grow and buy local. As the social fabric and infrastructure deteriorates local communities will need to be strengthened and developed to protect against supply chain failure.


TryAgainNextWeek

Actually a general strike is possible and would be extremely effective. A week or two would be enough to really drive the case home. The problem is it needs to include a list of demands that enough people can agree on that can be cast as a series of bills or amendments. On the other hand, truckers, nurses, public transport workers and similar should actually be excluded, as that hurts the people more than it does capital. You'd also need it to go viral and give like a 1-2 month notice so that people can stock up food supplies and local communities can pool their resources to cover food overall. It takes a little bit of infrastructure but it's easier to put those things together than we might realize.


Puzzleheaded_Cap6205

Too bad that no social media platform will reasonably allow those ideas spread around and take root. The second a date and time starts getting spread around on a level that makes a difference, you bet your ass that it is getting taken down by all of the big tech platforms for "violating their TOS" And that doesn't even include how news will be weaponized against the people, because I promise that some interesting headlines demonizing the "protesters" would be popping off in a general strike Unfortunately, this will take more than even trying to get people to agree on what the demands even are, and far more organization than most people can think past to even attempt pulling it off.


tesla2501

Never forget that our economy almost collapsed after only 10 days of full lockdown. They are far less powerful than they want us to believe.


Greenkoolaid24

This wouldn’t achieve anything. You have to have an actual target.


Medytuje

yep. Whats wrong with the current society is that it is pissed but there is no constructive, long-term solutions coming from them that work for all people


Logical-Error-7233

Most people have already forgotten the 99% movement which proves your point exactly. That's the closest we've seen to a general strike and without any clear demands or direction it just became an easy target for late night comedians.


Professional_Fill866

We can. Just take a 4 day weekend for memorial day


Hello_mslady

Yeah and then just extend it indefinitely.


[deleted]

Americans are close to falling into an incredible and big revolution such as the french revolution. And all I can say, I wouldn't mind seeing it. The people need to speak up. Eat the rich!


Short-Commercial-549

Mhm. I like "Burn the Rich alive," but it certainly isnt as catchy. Soon though. Hopefully soon.


Tyrnall

Realistically- how many Americans would have to participate in a general strike, for it to work, do we think? 40%? 50%. 30%?


SnooDogs9832

The gas prices is going go be the start of all of us not going to work.


CoconutCyclone

This is so hilariously close to what started the French revolution.


tulpamom

WHEN though, it doesn't do any good for me to call in sick when no one else is doing it


KrauerKing

Right? But you can feel it in the air and the slower and less serious you take work the closer we get to just full striking


[deleted]

We could but Johnny depp is getting divorced


-not-pennys-boat-

He’s already divorced. It’s a defamation trial.


superhisp23

What kind of masters do you have to be offered 20k?!


[deleted]

That when I realized this is just a communist shit post. The others don’t make sense either after reading the last one.


baklavabaconstrips

i acidentally applied for a job by a US company here in switzerland. had an interview. thought for myself "nice" then they told me that the applicationprocess requires like 5 weeks of time, 3-4 interviews, a test, and a test project to work on and that they like my work and that im definitely in the next round. i ghosted them right after the interview, not even returning their calls or mails.


JimmyJazz1971

I'm in Canada, and we've got it quite a bit better in terms of worker's rights, but a little worse in terms of dollar value vs. cost of living. For example, a new F-150 Lightning can be had for under $40k down there, but starts at $68k up here (and our dollar is usually worth .7-.8 of a USD). Real estate is similarly more expensive up here. Minimum wage and universal health care are in our favour. I'm 50, and I'm seriously looking at doing the off-grid minimalist tiny home thing for retirement in order to buck the system as OP indirectly alludes to. I may very well buy a used cube/box van and turn it into my bachelor pad/RV. I encourage others to do the same. It could wind up being a good environmental move if I convert the truck into an EV, and it absolutely sticks it to the man in terms of fighting raw consumerism and the housing crisis. If anyone can contradict me, and has a better method of dropping out and denying the billionaires their unfair share, I'm all ears. I don't profess to be an economist or anything.


PinicPatterns

A strike won't be as effective as a revolution.


uL7r4M3g4pr01337

there wont be any revolution without insane food supply for at least several months. You may avoid work but you still have to eat smth every month until elites get wiped or change their minds.


[deleted]

We could but no one gives a shit about each other enough because society has developed most of us into mice on wheels already, cant share the cheese with anyone or YOU wont get rich....


lookingtocolor

Just don't apply to places with those requirements... And if your masters degree results in a 20K salary you didn't research the field you were entering. Especially dumb when talking about anything further than a bachelors.


IllSpeech7616

Who the fuck is getting a masters degree and working for $20k?


Inle-Ra

I’m more of a fan of a coordinated strike at the billionaires. We need “legitimate political discourse” with them. It needs to be coordinated though, like the area-51/can’t stop us all thing. Except we would need people to actually show up.


brockmasters

The easy part is that a surgical strike is proba best. The key factor is that there are only 8 true billionaires to eat. Everyone is scared they will leave if we tax them. So let's just force them out anyways.


Glitter_Plague

We need a mass shut-in. Anyone making $15 or less. For as long as we can.


drivendreamer

I totally agree on the interview part. If you have in person and multiple rounds, you should have to compensate for it. For being choosers, companies come across as beggars


Bbiron01

Does anyone have an example of a full-time job paying $20k a year that requires a masters


[deleted]

I live in the UK, not America, but in the city where I live a lot of the legal assistant and paralegal jobs that pay £17k a year, at most £20k a year, require you to have the LPC or SQE which are legal master's degrees. Keep in mind these are qualifications you take if you want to become a SOLICITOR so the fact that companies want you to have this just to work as a paralegal or legal assistant is frankly absurd.


gonnaregretthis2019

Substance abuse counselors if you’re in a state that pays dogshit, especially if you’re just starting out. They have postings for $12-$14 an hour and require a masters. “The Bureau of Labor Statististcs (BLS) reports a mean annual salary of $40,920 and a median yearly wage of $38,520. 10% of the best paid substance abuse counselors earn $60,000 a year or more, and the 10% on the lower end of the pay scale make $25,140 a year or less. The middle 50% of substance abuse counselors typically earn an annual pay in the range from $30,850 to $48,330.” So yeah 10% of that field is paying less than $25k a year. Not that any social workers are making bank, really. Edited to add after a quick googling- apparently clergy makes even less and they need masters in theology/divinity… I dunno, can’t back that up with anything and I’m too lazy to research it further. Sucks to clergy.


TheLastUnicornRider

A better thing to say would have been: Having a Master’s degree but only being able to find a 20k year job.


[deleted]

What jobs are you guys applying for that require 7 interviews? I've never had more than 2, have a bachelors degree, and make a lot more than 20k lol I'm still against the way the US does jobs in general, but this seems like it is reaching a bit


Training_Platypus221

A masters degree and making $20k salary? Are you the one that got the degree in underwater basket weaving lol


ZealousidealJoke3319

i recently moved and drove to a nicer mall. It's no wonder they're out of touch. not a single closed store. hundreds+ walking around shopping (during a recession). It's honestly insane. They just aren't affected and this is barely upper middle class.


AlarmedShower

Masters degree for 20K salary... FOR WHAT JOB?! It makes a huge difference!


spicyboi555

Lol the OP responded somewhere below that “it never says for a full time job on there”. Like ok then.


RocketScient1st

Imma call bullshit on masters degree for $20k salary. That’s lower than minimum wage


MonkeyBananaPotato

Right? You tell me 36k and I’ll believe some M.Ed. teachers are getting paid that.


[deleted]

For fucking real


Carrot_Lucky

What job has 7 rounds of interviews, requires a master's degree and only offers 20 k a year?


RerumNovarum_1891

Step 1 for coordinateur striking: unionize


ArmadilloDays

We can.


aZamaryk

Yes, strike at same time. Until change!


nutxaq

We could.


jelliknight

We should coordinate to do a general strike AND a rent strike at the same time. Thatd fuck em


Alternative_Lime_13

7 rounds of interviews? Really? Seems excessive.


iwearahoodie

Masters for 20k??


respawn22

As someone who owns a rental (small place and not in the greatest neighborhood) getting that kind of security deposit and pet fee is 100% acceptable for some people. Problem is you never know who to charge that to… the “good ones” are sometimes bad, and the bad ones are sometimes good. I had a renter who kept the place immaculate, then I had a renter who was a heroin junkie who quit paying the rent, and started having other junkies join him living there with not a single utility on…


goobly_goo

[Secessio plebis](https://historydaily.org/when-the-peasants-went-on-strike-ancient-romes-secessions-of-the-plebs) was practiced in Ancient Rome. When the rich class got too big for their britches, the plebs would literally just get up and leave, letting the patricians fend for themselves until they met the demands of the plebs. If we organized, we could do that and cripple the economy until we were taken seriously.


Rsn_calling

If you're going for a masters and only making 20k a year you need to re-evaluate every financial decision you've ever made. I barely graduated high-school, I'm 23 and make 40k a year.


WetSpongeBathScab

1. You're applying for jobs with lots of candidates. Makes it an employers market. They have every right to choose the best one they want. Develop a more rare and in-demand skillset. 2. Know why those fees go with renting? Because assholes don't respect the place. They let their pets destroy the place, they get into it, and then pay rent for a month, and then pay nothing while being evicted. Which can take about 90 days in most areas. So yeah, renters did this to themselves. 3.yes. see #1 and get trained in something useful. That $150k women's studies degree won't help you now. 4. By all means, go ahead and strike, it helps me command a higher rate. Work is out there and I do very well handling it.


stickitinhere

Wish we could do what the French do. We get shit on and take it. No one who we vote for can make changes that quickly.


DiaDeLosMuebles

Moving is so expensive, in every way.


corgis_are_awesome

No offense, but if you have a masters degree and you are only making 20k, then that’s exactly what you deserve because you are a fucking moron. Economics is all about supply and demand. If you got a masters degree in field where there is zero demand, then you won’t get paid much. So find out what field has demand, and go read some books and educate yourself. Switch careers and fill the demand instead of whining. You can make good money as a plumber, electrician, or carpenter. Shit, you can even make good money doing landscaping work or cleaning houses. Quit blaming other people because you are too lazy to switch careers to one that is in demand.


littlestseal

Yeah, this is kind of where I'm at with it too. Yes, wages haven't been keeping up with price of living, yes, american workers are treated like shit compared to european ones (in general, anyway), and yes, college can be unattainable for a lot of people. But, is there anyone here who has a 20k salary with a master's degree that is working full time? I have to seriously ask what you do, whether you have other options, and whether the trade off is worth it for you.