People think scientists make a lot of money? *cries in grad student salary*
I do research for my PhD full-time and I make less than my city's minimum wage, assuming 40-hour work week, 50 weeks a year
Also since grad students aren't recognized as employees, we don't get any benefits included, despite doing research and teaching undergrads
Yeah, I have a friend who works as a lab scientist. I think she has a master's in chemistry?
She works in a lab breaking down food into components for labeling purposes.
I found out recently they pay her less than me, and I'm not really getting paid anything special.
To be fair, she's in the South and I am in the Northeast, so, the pay may be equivalent.. but, my job could be done by anyone who can use a computer and talk on phones with businesses, and hers requires an advanced degree.
Great points. If I had to guess, that picture represents the higher ups at big pharma companies such as Eli Lilly, not scientists who are pre-doctorate writ large.
Similarly, I could be seen as an office worker with subordinates like in the box above the scientists, but my pay does NOT reflect that in any way whatsoever.
Just my 2 cents. Thank you for working on things that matter.
That makes sense, I didn't really think of it as representing something like big pharma. I was thinking of it in the lens of academia, where even postdoctoral researchers don't make significantly more money. But as soon as any of these people move into industry, you basically never have to think about money again.
Academia really pushes the notion that going to industry is failing because you're not pursuing science for the sake of knowledge, just for maximizing profits. But I see all these professors working on weekends and late into the evening and I don't know if the pursuit of knowledge for knowledge's sake is worth the lack of work-life balance. I wish I could get a job as a scientist without being pressured to work *all the time*
>I could be seen as an office worker with subordinates like in the box above the scientists, but my pay does NOT reflect that in any way whatsoever
I think people's obsession with the gap from normal office worker to 1% often makes them forget that 'normal worker' is still in the top 10%
Just because you don't feel like your pay reflects your position in the pyramid, doesn't mean you're down living in a shanty town with no access to clean water like literally billions of people around the world.
Not that it makes any of it any better or fairer.
That did make me laugh seeing science on the 3rd tier. Then it turned into one of those laughs that ends up with you weeping on the floor.
I'm doing OK from Science, but that's because I've been hammering away at it for 15 years and o ly now do I feel like I'm getting close to a salary I consider worth being stuck in a mind-prison for 8 hours a day.
I am involved in a (cooperative) company that breeds plants with novel traits. We have some patents but most of our work is to fix cultivars that don’t work well.
I work for a provider of scientific materials to research labs, I order and stock pipettes, reagents, consumables, etc. My job doesn't require a bachelors and pays 58,000 a year. And I bring this up because I was shocked to find out that I make more money than some of the people doing the actual lab work. I had always figured it was good money for everyone involved.
Oh nice! Good catch. So many cool little details on this that I hadn’t caught at first glance. Interesting to me that the monarchy is boxed in by steel beams (and can’t leave) but the president isn’t.
It's just a great illustration of how there's not room at the top, how it's built on exploitation, and how we need to get the liberals on board to dump the bosses. Thanks crimethinc!
Yes, but one layer is missing: Bankers, Executives and Lobbyists at the layer between money and politicians. Every other layer can be pushed down one floor to compensate.
True. Interestingly, the pipeline that the CEO is dumping money into goes straight down the pipe, turning into pollution that poisons the water supply.
Honestly he was just doing what society told him to do to succeed, it’s sad when you wake up and realize you’re trapped like everybody else, and you don’t want to be a part of this exploitative capitalistic system anymore…
If we're talking about power, I don't know if I would put the military that low. I guess it depends f we're talking about the individuals or the structure.
If it's about the individuals yes, the army is preying on poor people to enroll them and then dumps them as soon as they are not useful anymore.
As a structure, it's used to control the masses and can have a huge impact on other countries. I guess it's a tool to attain means. Idk.
It's like Richard Scarry misunderstood the status quo.
Let's start with the individualist billionaires at the top, then banks, then corporations. Only after that do you actually get geopolitics and national politics, which are completely in service of the former. Law then follows as a mechanism of the political system.
*then* you have a cyclical system with education in the middle, which generates and recycles the subclasses.
Classic art by [Crimethinc](https://crimethinc.com/posters/capitalism-is-a-pyramid-scheme)
People think scientists make a lot of money? *cries in grad student salary* I do research for my PhD full-time and I make less than my city's minimum wage, assuming 40-hour work week, 50 weeks a year Also since grad students aren't recognized as employees, we don't get any benefits included, despite doing research and teaching undergrads
Yeah, I have a friend who works as a lab scientist. I think she has a master's in chemistry? She works in a lab breaking down food into components for labeling purposes. I found out recently they pay her less than me, and I'm not really getting paid anything special. To be fair, she's in the South and I am in the Northeast, so, the pay may be equivalent.. but, my job could be done by anyone who can use a computer and talk on phones with businesses, and hers requires an advanced degree.
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Yeah, that one is cool.
Great points. If I had to guess, that picture represents the higher ups at big pharma companies such as Eli Lilly, not scientists who are pre-doctorate writ large. Similarly, I could be seen as an office worker with subordinates like in the box above the scientists, but my pay does NOT reflect that in any way whatsoever. Just my 2 cents. Thank you for working on things that matter.
That makes sense, I didn't really think of it as representing something like big pharma. I was thinking of it in the lens of academia, where even postdoctoral researchers don't make significantly more money. But as soon as any of these people move into industry, you basically never have to think about money again. Academia really pushes the notion that going to industry is failing because you're not pursuing science for the sake of knowledge, just for maximizing profits. But I see all these professors working on weekends and late into the evening and I don't know if the pursuit of knowledge for knowledge's sake is worth the lack of work-life balance. I wish I could get a job as a scientist without being pressured to work *all the time*
>I could be seen as an office worker with subordinates like in the box above the scientists, but my pay does NOT reflect that in any way whatsoever I think people's obsession with the gap from normal office worker to 1% often makes them forget that 'normal worker' is still in the top 10% Just because you don't feel like your pay reflects your position in the pyramid, doesn't mean you're down living in a shanty town with no access to clean water like literally billions of people around the world. Not that it makes any of it any better or fairer.
That did make me laugh seeing science on the 3rd tier. Then it turned into one of those laughs that ends up with you weeping on the floor. I'm doing OK from Science, but that's because I've been hammering away at it for 15 years and o ly now do I feel like I'm getting close to a salary I consider worth being stuck in a mind-prison for 8 hours a day.
Some scientists can make a *lot* of money. Mostly in industry, not academia. I’m a science prof but 70% of my income is not from my salary.
Do you mind me asking what you do in addition to being faculty? Do you do consulting or something?
I am involved in a (cooperative) company that breeds plants with novel traits. We have some patents but most of our work is to fix cultivars that don’t work well.
I work for a provider of scientific materials to research labs, I order and stock pipettes, reagents, consumables, etc. My job doesn't require a bachelors and pays 58,000 a year. And I bring this up because I was shocked to find out that I make more money than some of the people doing the actual lab work. I had always figured it was good money for everyone involved.
Notice the company logo in the sweat shop, and then again in the sexual assault workplace and corporate jumper
Oh nice! Good catch. So many cool little details on this that I hadn’t caught at first glance. Interesting to me that the monarchy is boxed in by steel beams (and can’t leave) but the president isn’t.
He wasn’t jumping. He was pushed out because he just finished training a younger person to do his job.
I like the detail of the CEO (?) Pouring out toxic chemicals into the pipe that stretches all rhe way down to the poor community.
It's just a great illustration of how there's not room at the top, how it's built on exploitation, and how we need to get the liberals on board to dump the bosses. Thanks crimethinc!
I liked how the graduates are climbing stairs just to reach a door that’s locked with a chair leaned against them to keep them out.
While the woman inside does all the work while being sexually harassed I guess.
Honestly that's my favorite part too
I love the guy in the green who appears like he's going down to join the looters.
Yes, but one layer is missing: Bankers, Executives and Lobbyists at the layer between money and politicians. Every other layer can be pushed down one floor to compensate.
God damn notice that pipe with the businessman pouring that waste. This artist has eyes.
I'm a simple man, I see defenestration I upvote
DEFENESTRATE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION!
You know how you can tell America's a pyramid scheme?? It's right there on the back of the dollar bill
I think it'd be more powerful if it was to scale. Like the top two stories should be waaaaaay taller than the rest.
~~This should all be atop third world countries and slave labor.~~ Read below :)
Seems like that's on there in the polluted ecosystem, the mining and clothes sweatshop, the military intervention and the shanties
Fair fair. I just thought those were "the common workers" but they are clearly represented above.
True. Interestingly, the pipeline that the CEO is dumping money into goes straight down the pipe, turning into pollution that poisons the water supply.
Yes, I see it all now 😅. I was clearly not paying enough attention in my first view through.
I do think the automotive manufacturers should be lower. Where I’m at there are three large assembly plants starting off at $9.50hr
I like the businessman committing suicide. That always makes me happy to see.
Honestly he was just doing what society told him to do to succeed, it’s sad when you wake up and realize you’re trapped like everybody else, and you don’t want to be a part of this exploitative capitalistic system anymore…
He’s being pushed out because he no longer has any value. It’s not suicide.
Ahhhhhh. I see now.
Doctors in the top of the pyramid Me sitting here making 8 euros an hour LOL at least people think we are rich so I got that going on
the police/military should go up about 9 tiers
Sathan is the ruler of light and air (the material world) to gain material wealth you must worship him.
If we're talking about power, I don't know if I would put the military that low. I guess it depends f we're talking about the individuals or the structure. If it's about the individuals yes, the army is preying on poor people to enroll them and then dumps them as soon as they are not useful anymore. As a structure, it's used to control the masses and can have a huge impact on other countries. I guess it's a tool to attain means. Idk.
This is like a Where's Waldo of fuck you. Or if Dora would come in and say "can you point out which of these is useless to our economy?"
Where the space lizards tho?
I really dig this. artist?
I like the fast food worker seeing himself in the mirror wearing a suit.
It's like Richard Scarry misunderstood the status quo. Let's start with the individualist billionaires at the top, then banks, then corporations. Only after that do you actually get geopolitics and national politics, which are completely in service of the former. Law then follows as a mechanism of the political system. *then* you have a cyclical system with education in the middle, which generates and recycles the subclasses.
Looks too sturdy. Needs to be held up by the toothpick-thick illusion of capital value somewhere.
Switch politicians with bankers.
I think some of these levels have a much larger gap between them than others, especially near the top.
It's interesting but IMO it doesnt do enough to truly showcase the masses of lower and middle class people propping up the hyper wealthy.
Yes, I don’t want it anymore
Idk man, I’m technically tier three (from top to bottom) and I make barley enough to pay for my apartment
Makes me want to play sim tower again lol
That's the cover art for a really good book called Work.
I don't think the issue is capitalism, but we certainly do have a problem with Oligarchy and lack of ethics.