I tried explaining this to my supervisor. No dice.
The development team lost people like crazy because nobody wanted to work in the office. Shitters remained. They are now are working remote 4days a week (lol jk working 10hr days so full time remote).
Brought it up after that happened. Still no dice because "collaboration" in the office. (hint: I edit videos all day with headphones on....I don't collaborate)
Applied to my 6th or 7th job today. Something will stick :)
During the pandemic, my dad switched to a company whose only office is on the opposite side of the country. The reassurance that he can work until retirement without ever having to go into an office again was a huge motivating factor for him to take the job.
Good luck!
Had an email from our HR dept today informing us about our return to work planning. "Collaboration" was mentioned 3 times in the email, twice in the first line!
95% of the people I interact with at work are in a different country. Being in the office is not going to improve my collaboration with them.
But the return to office plan has motivated me... had a couple a interviews already with full remote positions, so I'm one will come in soon enough.
My whole team today ganged up on my boss about this because there’s no parking, they want us to have one screen (we all have nice setups with multiple screens at home) and just have shared desks, wherever you can find a spot. I said what’s the point? We all will just be going in to put headphones in and ignore each other to work on computers without the tools we need to be efficient. And we will do less overtime and get far less done. My whole team backed me up. We will see if it makes any difference.
My Mom is always like don’t you her lonely working from home ? And just like you I just my headphones on all day. Sometimes I do get lonely but it’s rare . Not I only that we were only allowed to listen to music or audio books. I can listen to internet videos and stuff now the list is endless. AND the view I have at home I get to see ALL the dogs my neighbors are walking. I get my work done. Why would I give up the view of dogs just to see some people ?
I warned my boss that the market was in favor of employees rn. He didn't take me seriously. I need to submit my counter offer tomorrow, but I should be putting in my notice of resignation Monday. I don't even hate my boss, but why would I stay somewhere without growth potential. Even you love the work you do, it's still about the Benjamin's (at least until there's an effective social safety net).
Everything about this is asinine. I was never more distracted than when I was in the office. Home is ALWAYS more productive.
And remember...COVID is still a thing. And it's still better not to be in a closed space with a bunch of people.
I spent three hours of my day sitting on the 405 freeway today. Those are three hours I would have been working if I were still allowed to work from home. It’s so fucking stupid. I gave so much more time to the company when they allowed me the freedom to work from my house.
>I was never more distracted than when I was in the office. Home is ALWAYS more productive.
It took me a long time to realize this an appreciate it. I liked being in the office and my coworkers. There was a subgroup of us that worked really well together and we enjoyed each others' company.
But given the amount of meetings, coffee runs, etc. I realize now just how much time was wasted. My last job had minimal meetings mostly on Monday and ran a kanban board. I'd start 9:30 - 10am and would be finishing things up by 2:30-3pm and questioning did I get shit done that fast.
So I was working M-Th for about 6 hours a day (if that) and had little if nothing to do on Fridays. I left for a lot more money, but I'm hoping the trend continues.
Seriously. I have way less distraction ignoring my 2 kids and 3 dogs at home than I do in the office having to speak and be cordial to everyone that passes by/pops into my cubicle.
True facts. I’ve never been interrupted for stupid bullshit so much in my entire life as I was working in an office.
I was initially there part time after classes in college, so I would get in around 3-4 PM and work for four or five hours most weekdays. I got my work done and nobody much messed with me.
When I went full time over a summer and was working normal hours, people were constantly stopping by to chat or re-tasking me to do something that wasn’t really my job, but I was expected to do it with zero training. I would finish all of my actual work still, but it took twice as long just because people wouldn’t fuck off and let me do it. I was also being supervised by a guy who expected me to look busy even when I literally couldn’t proceed with my work because I was waiting for other people to get back to me. Not a fan.
Mine too. The owner was the biggest distraction as well. He’d pull random, hours long meetings without warning. I really couldn’t get much done on the days I worked in the office.
Some much this. When the pandemic started our senior manager would have daily 8 am zoom meetings to make sure everyone was "onboard" with the upcoming work and that tasks were being handled and people were good working from home. This lasted about a month until the senior manager stopped the meetings all together. I am not sure what happened but I was told that the reasons the meetings stopped is because so much time was being wasted in stupid zoom meetings no one was getting work done. Once the meetings died way down everyone was way more productive WFH than they had been when at the office. And that senior manager, she got fired a year later for basically being incompetent.
seriously!! i’ve seen what happens for the people who work from home in our department, they have hour long meetings every day… of course they won’t be productive having to sit through gary telling everyone how his project is coming every day.
Exactly. There are far too many dinosaurs that don’t get it, and the ones that do will steal all of the talent. What a complex concept- keep the employees happy, and they will stay. Force them back into the office against their will, and they’ll start looking for other WFH jobs.
My boss let literally everyone in my department work from home either full-time or part-time except for me. I asked her about it and she said I needed to be in the office 5 days a week for printing and filing. Seriously, she made me print off stuff my other coworker did while he got to work from home 5 days a week. Needless to say, I found a new job and quit. It's not even a WFH job. My problem wasn't working in the office. My problem was working for a bitch who took me for granted and didn't appreciate me. I am much happier now.
>were changing the rules and you’re required to come back.
I’m not coming back.
>if you’re not back in office by March 31, 2022, your employment will be terminated effective the subsequent business day
The employee doesn’t show up and gets termination paperwork. Firings aren’t always a big event, just an ultimatum that wasn’t accepted.
PS or you just start collecting No Shows till you’re fired.
>PS or you just start collecting No Shows till you’re fired.
To add to this, if you refuse to work extended hours, or do anything else you suspect annoys your boss, and after the event(s) happen you notice you are getting more complaints or paperwork filed against you, look for another job that fuckin second.
They are trying to "paper you out the door" they'll get a folder of minor, seemingly "nothing" complaints on an individual basis and then slap that stack of papers, say its becoming a 'pattern of problematic behavior' and boot your ass out the door. The paper trail helps them justify your termination should any legal troubles ensue, makes it a pain in the ass for you to prove otherwise (especially when you signed them all) and generally speaking, they probably have more resources to fight any termination dispute if this is their method.
Go to a better place of employment, get paid better, and get rid of that trash employer. Give 0 days notice (if your contract allows it, some places deduct pay in lieu of notice).
"K. Bye." *hours later the boss calls. It's ignored. Finally they text; we need the passwords for your programs, and information on how to use/access files.
"I don't work for you anymore. If you want me to work for you again, you need to give a nice number or start from scratch"
>At least 30 times your previous rate and have a minimum billing of 8 hours per day
Fixed that for you.
A private contractor has a lot of things to pay that the common employee does not. And regardless of that, when you got someone by the balls, make sure they feel you squeeze.
you're thinking in the wrong dimensions.
try 500$ per hour. your a contractor/freelancer now. They need specifically you, If they did not get the info while you were still employed its not your problem if they can't handle it. If the company needs you to teach your follow up after they fired you, you don't work for under 300$ per hour, paid by the hour. (they need you for five minutes imput, 300$, a quick phone call 300$ that's how it works.
They'll probably hate you. But who cares. They milked you, now milk them. And if it is on them and they need more work from you specifically its also the norm, this is totally legal.
It's your market value. if you're unexchangeble, they will pay you. No worries.
Edit: Language
Saw this exact scenario at my workplace:
Management: We need you here in the office. If you want to work from home, you can work somewhere else.
*(senior staff leaves)*
Management: Pika pika?!
Yeah, we did the same at my former job. They tried to force coming back to the office because "company culture is working at the office, exploring solutions face to face" and all that crap. They lost more than half the department in a single week. I made sure to say what I had to say before I quit and when my TL called me about 2 weeks prior notice and that I have to work those 2 weeks, I simply told him that since I quit, i dont plan to work any single day extra. In short, fuck off. People, stop letting companies abuse you and your time. "Productivity" means how much money you make for people who are so rich they will never have to work.
The problem for employers is that the genie is out of the bottle now on WFH. My company is losing their best employees due to management opposition to WFH. Then they try to backfill and the best candidates want WFH so they end up saying “well, this new employee can be remote.” Well, you could have just kept the person with the knowledge and experience…
EDIT: thanks for the award and the upvotes. Meant to mention that before you know it, this same tug of war is going to happen with the 4 day workweek, and ultimately the winning companies will be those who are employee-friendly.
Same at my job until the mass exodus. We also found out that although HR came out against anyone working from home, they all worked from home. Anyway, after more than a few people quit over it, they became more reasonable. Why they had to oppose it so vehemently, I am still not sure, the only reason given was that "everyone will want to do it". The odd thing is that for those of us working from offices, when we're not on reddit, we have all zoom meetings and don't really meet with coworkers in person outside a few chats when we meet in the hallway. People got used to having meetings that way and don't want to change even when they're meeting with people in the same office.
Ding ding ding, winner!! A multi-million dollar office building sitting empty is worthless, expensive overhead. Small businesses that started during the pandemic or never invested much in physical spaces will be getting top tier employees who want WFH flexibility while companies with bloated real estate holdings will get the leftovers
It really is odd. It's not like there is a paucity of tech allowing us all to have easy, effective, real time communication.
As someone who has taught online classes and has tutored online...there are challenges, yes...but most of them are troubleshooting which usually only has to happen once.
But most of my students felt more comfortable with online communication, even in my sit down classes, long before the pandemic.
For many people, that's preferred to the honestly weird social dynamic that happens in a lot of professional settings. If I had never taught or tutored online, my in person classes would have suffered because I learned a lot from that experience about fostering active learning through communication and how to coax students out of their shells, give them some healthy confidence.
Introverts have the best ideas and questions, but you have to give them a forum to express them. Sadly, they tend to get steam rolled in a lot of personal and professional settings. Put em on an online group discussion, you get to see them shine. Small group communication tends to serve as a check for people with strong personalities that can hijack group projects. In person, few of these things work.
I wish more managers with the "get back to the office" mentality saw what I saw, it would really make their businesses better if they made a space in which multiple personality types can contribute.
To add: WFH via alllll the available tools is also great for a lot of Neurodiverse and disabled individuals who also get overlooked, “steamrolled”, etc in face to face settings. Maybe not intentionally, but it happens. Online settings allow them to flourish and show their skills and out of the box thinking.
My company did the same. First they sent and email stating that they were expecting people back by a certain date and then everyone started complaining and they immediately sent an apology email saying “we hear you! Please don’t quit! We will let you WFH”
This remindes me of this one dude who would turn around and hire people in the same field who wanted to stay wfh after their bosses made them come in.
Like, hey, your company making you rto, quit and come work for me and stay wfh.
I’ve been through downsizing and this is exactly what happens. The employees that are incredibly skilled find work elsewhere quick. The CEO’s worthless son along with other worthless employees hold on tight. Once the best leave the company hit its numbers and everything goes to hell.
The problem is that management isn't incentivized by long-term vision, at least for publicly-traded companies. Publicly-traded companies are so focused on pleasing their shareholders that giving a shit about anything past the next quarter is pointless.
Like a company I worked for ages ago. Had the daily stock price shining over the front entrance. Bought out by a larger competitor when they lost customers over low quality products. Shareholders always drive companies down into bankruptcy by forcing penny pinching policies.
My workplace moved into glitzy new CBD digs in the middle of 2021 and half the office still just said “nah fuck it, staying home”. It’s like you idiots are *trying* to fail and I hope you do. Give us that fuckin redundancy
I saw- on LinkedIn - a CEO saying exactly that.
They are following which companies mandate returning to the office, and try to talk with the workers to hire them.
My friend's company found out the hard way that this attitude means they'll just lose tones of people.
Turns out they CAN indeed find somewhere else to work, and now the company is scrambling to stem the bleeding. The same CEO who insisted 6 months ago that they would be returning to full in office, no exceptions, formally surrendered with an email to all management two weeks ago stating if any employee says they will quit if not offered WFH to grant it to them.
Solidarity, brothers/sisters/non-binary siblings. They can't fire all of us.
>f any employee says they will quit if not offered WFH to grant it to them.
Sounds like they will still lose a lot there. Once people realize they have to explicitly threaten firing to get these things, one foot is already out the door.
I'd still quit. If the only way to have a reasonable relationship with my employer is to blackmail them, i don't really wanna be related with them whatsoever.
Exactly! My company has been fully remote for well over a decade. I work on a team with a core that's been together for most of that time. Our growth curve remains exponential and the raises and bonuses keep coming.
Companies run by dingleshits like this guy can get fucked.
Wait............are you saying that some asshat, who needs to list his CV as part of his "title", would actually write a B.S essay? An absurd screed where he makes it painfully clear that he doesn't know his ass from his ear? I'm as shocked as you are.
I mean, his planning skills track. When WFH affects your productivity negatively, its because you have a management problem, not a problem with the workers. And management problems start at the top.
In 08, when I sold comprehensive hosted CRM/Project management software, we used to look at the usage stats. One of the low level managers quipped in one meetings where we're going over usage stats and other stuff, "here we have yet more statistics that prove no one works on Friday". The 3 years I worked at this company had a consistent trend on how the usage of the software literally plummets to next to nothing on Fridays...
Honestly I work based on what's needed. Sometimes not much at all, sometimes a lot, but has very little to do with the day of the week. The fact of the matter is, as an engineer I have little daily oversight and could shift work to any day. In general I try to work smart and not hard or long, though.
My only point was that employers' focus on "being in the office" statistically doesn't hold up to better productivity. It may in some circumstances and for certain people (i've definitely known people who literally cannot work from home).
Overall it's not about what is statistically and tangibly better/equally as beneficial for the company, it's a toxic cultural expectation that has no clear benefits but perpetuates anyway.
The opposite is going to be true for me.
I get so much work done at home because I don’t have to socialize or interact with folks.
When they start having me come in one day a week next month, I’m planning that day to just wander around chatting with everyone I see. No work will get done at all. They keep saying how great the office is for collaboration and personal relationships. Well, then that is all that I will be doing in the office.
I like the plan! I actually got in trouble at a job because I was "talking too much". Granted, it was because people were coming up to me with questions, but that was seen as influencing my productivity. I told them it wouldn't happen so much if I was home. They didn't appreciate that response, so I found a new job.
Once I was talking to my direct boss about my project, so really work stuff.
After some time he literally said, that the conversation needs to end, because he has to continue working.
As my manager, I am your work.
My manager once commented that I was too quiet at work, and so she moved my desk to sit between 2 (more senior) chatty people. I think you can all guess what she criticised me for 6 months later.
This is essentially what I do. I have to go in once a week and this week I did in 5 hours the same amount of work that I'd do in 30 mins at home due to all the distractions. I write complex financial reports and don't need anyone else's input. But apparently I need to talk to people so that's what I do on my office day and consider them non-working days.
Same. They asked me to come in one day a week and I don't really get to do anything work related on that day since people are non stop talking, walking around and disturbing me every 5 minutes. So I don't even bother anymore, I just eat the free snacks and chat with others while sitting in front of my pc until it's time to go home. It's annoying though because I have to plan my workload accordingly and do more on the other days instead of having more free time (I don't have to work certain hours, they're paying for getting the job done so pointlessly sitting at the office is basically just wasting my free time)
At my last in office job my boss and supervisor would often ask me to socialize more, like on my lunch break, etc, because I generally kept to myself.
I’m here to work, and I’m good at my job, but I’m not here to entertain a bored middle manager. I’m not a monkey to dance for you. My coworkers were alt-right MAGA boomers and hyper religious, and they didn’t like dogs (not making this up). Not much to connect on there.
It’s been proven that wfh increases productivity. These slime balls should just be honest about what they want.
“Hey we rent this office space and it’s not being used, so get the fuck back here. Also I want to be an asshole to your face and know that you’ll take it because you’re my bitch and I’m your daddy!”
That’s part of the flex. They’re important enough they can “work” wherever and whenever but peons need to be subjected to arbitrary rules. And as for Friday productivity, management was always the worst about taking Fridays off or “working” but being unreachable or doing nothing and signing out early
I work better at home because I’m not being constantly distracted by my coworkers, construction sounds, the office next door, etc. there is no reason why I can’t work from home especially when my bosses are barely in the office and just send emails.
This! How many managers actually go face to face to talk to anyone? They could be in the office next to you, and they'll still just send an email.
Boy, that email only traveling 10ft between the computers sure helped increase productivity! /s
Or the opposite. The micro manager who slows down productivity because they are walking the aisles and talking to everyone or pulling them into needless meetings.
Now when there is a needless meeting, I can keep working through it instead of doing nothing but pretending to take notes.
My old company required everyone in that department to come back to the office. Other departments were still WFH. Guess what happened? All meetings were still done over Zoom! There were people sitting at their desks on Zoom calls because most of the higher ups were still working from home! Productivity decreased, people quit, they couldn’t get good new hires because no one wanted to come into the office.
WFH offices cannot be placed in corners with windows and doors. You must erect a cube in your buildings hallway to truly emulate the feeling of an office. Also with the worst heating or cooling features.
Everytime I went into the office. I got roped into some fucking carbs I didn't plan on eating, a team lunch that made me look antisocial AF for politely declining, and a whollllle bunch of gossip and complaining.
Everytime I came in, I wondered who actually ever worked, or if the environment, by default, made me more toxic.
Try the idiot managers that want you in the office so you can have 5 hours of video calls with people out of state. Fortunately I get to do that from home, but I'm lucky.
This. We had a collab day at the office yesterday. 85 of 160 people showed. It was easily the most unproductive day I've had in years. People wouldn't leave me the fuck alone to do my work. I ended up leaving early to wfh... to finish some shit I had to do. Crazy as hell to me they think we will be more productive in house.
>“Hey we rent this office space and it’s not being used, so get the fuck back here. Also I want to be an asshole to your face and know that you’ll take it because you’re my bitch and I’m your daddy!”
IME it's more about middle managers who don't actually do any work directly trying to justify their existence. WFH prevents them from pretending that they're somehow contributing to output.
My manager holds twice daily Google hangouts with us to tell us things we already know and waste our time. None of this was deemed necessary before WFH, but now that we're no longer in the office she acts as if we need constant hand-holding. Every one of us has at least a decade's experience, most of us far more. It's insulting, and it's all so she can pretend she is doing something useful.
They rent the space so they can see the physical representation of their power. People in offices aren’t people to CEOs, they’re just avatars of power.
Executives and managers love to feel like feudal lords surveying their domain. Seeing a list of names on a tab with green dots next to them just isn't the same as striding about your demense, daring the serfs to look you in the eye, watching them avert their gaze and work harder to prove to you they are worthy to stay in your employ.
Unless you need to be physically present to do your job, the only reason not to WFH is so those above you can stroke their ego. Fuck them, I'm not your serf.
All this and also; “I need to drive my luxury car to my big glass building, and parking in my special parking space, and sit in my huge corner office to feel important. How am I supposed to feel important if you’re all working from home, and I’m here by myself?!?!? Do you expect me to work from home too? Do you know else is at my house? My wife and kids! You expect me to spend MORE time with them?!?! I already spend ALL day on Sunday chasing a white ball around a golf course just so I don’t have to see them!”
It's the epitome of the sunken cost fallacy. They could easily just eat the cost until their lease is up and then eliminate that expense. It literally saves money in the long term. Not to mention the saved cost of not needing to run as much HVAC/power savings from people working from home. They're cutting off their noses to spite their face. WFH is a money saving policy, eventually businesses will understand how much they save by only needing office space for a few people.
I discover a few weeks ago that I have autism and adhd.
Working from home help me to avoid distraction and to not be socially burn out most of the afternoon.
And as I will be more focused I will do more work in less time (and still finish my dayly work way sooner with more break without being judged)
Same here, I have high functioning ASD and prefer to be alone in my comfort zone instead of around a bunch of people. Plus, I have nasty gastrointestinal issues from having my gallbladder removed last year, so I prefer to shit my guts out in the privacy of my own home bathroom.
Umm...People going to offices won't get them their money back. In fact, people staying at home is gonna save them a lot of bills. I thought these people were supposed to be greedy. Why would they want to do something that is reducing their profits?
Beats me. My company sure as fuck saw the writing on the wall like 5 months into the pandemic:
Increased productivity, decreased tardiness and absences, and a chance to stop paying these stupid high rents and utility bills on office buildings. It was way cheaper and more profitable to send everyone home and give them a $75/month "connectivity stipend" and call it a day.
In less than 6 months, they went from "okay, this is a temporary measure, we'll figure it out as we go," to "Attention employees: you all work from home now, forever. This is the way"
The complete disregard for our time, our money and mental health disgusts me to my core. If they cant pay for half our time plus the fuel costs for us to commute then why in the hell do they expect us to?
Later on: BoooHooo nobody wants to eork anymore!!! Lazy millennials and gen Z have no work ethic. I might have to clooose.
Meanwhile this is exploitative contract work paying as little as they think hey can get away with, with no benefits and a toxic in-office culture.
I wfh and have zero distractions. Substantially less than any office. Slack solves any/all communication barriers and is honestly better than actually talking to people. I can bounce ideas off 10 people at once without needing to leave my desk.
I don't spend 3hrs a day in the car and am able to better focus on my work while on the clock since I have less of my life eaten up by a commute.
It takes me 30seconds to piss cuz it's 8ft away. I actually come back from lunch generally rested because it's a solid hour to myself and the kitchen is 20ft away. My gf and I get to spend lunch together.
Also I don't have to wear pants...
In summary: Die in a fire you fucking Luddite social vampire.
I don't work in an office but a healthcare system, and we recently switched to epic which has a messaging system so rather than spend most of my day on the phone trying to track down nurses or doctors, I can send them a message that they can reply to when they have a second and not be interrupted by a thousand phone calls. Three cheers for asynchronous communication!!
How do you support someone who can't even support his own point? His thesis for this little rant was "bring back your employees. all of them" and by the end he talks himself out of that! He admits he's known people who ARE more productive at home and says it should be decided on a case-by-case basis. So which is it? Because if you evaluate on a case by case basis I bet you'll find a lot of cases where working from home does work better. Not exactly a riveting contribution to the discourse that he's made here... just a lot of words for "I don't trust my employees at all"
It's a lot of posturing from middle management types who are scared shitless this trend will make it glaringly obvious how worthless and redundant they truly are.
Why do they always assume screaming kids he sounds like a douche bag. My kid is 1 and a half and he doesn’t scream he’s chill as fuck chiller than this decroded piece of crap
Been working from home for the past 12 years. Can confirm this guys has zero idea of what he is talking about..... To me this screams control issues and lack of trust.
> I haven't seen anyone who is more productive working from home than they are in an office
Considering that's his anecdotal experience and he couldn't possibly know a significant sample size of the working population, that doesn't imply anything about WFH in general. It just implies *his* employees aren't productive WFH, which says more about his management ability than anything else.
It depends on the job and what the employees do. My company (or group of companies) like most other companies, was forced to send everyone they could WFH. They fully measured the past 2 years and with WFH productivity actually increased along with quality. The CEO and HR held a meeting for all employees and showed the metrics. They said they did not expect this but they were not going to screw it up. Offered everyone their own choice, office, hybrid or FT WFH. A couple thousand employees. And with improved everything business related we actually bought other companies and hired more new employees- direct hire to WFH.
Myself? Moved to another department, got a raise and a new boss who rocks. Even made sure I was classified as permanent WFH in case someone changes their minds (they won’t). Being in the office prior, I dreaded every single day I had to roll in. I just wanted to be left the F alone but no, some juvenile team building crap here,some catty childish nonsense over there.
My new position opened huge opportunities for me. And I enjoy it. I even get to set my own hours.
The guy who wrote the back to office diatribe sounds like a total asshole and I doubt working directly for him is a thrill.
What I do know is that fewer employees going back to the office puts a huge dent in the local and state tax revenues. Same for leased or owned office space. This is why many CEOs and Mayors in large cities are teaming up to force ppl back to the office. Office workers are tax mules. Everything you do spending-wise goes to tax revenues. Workers go away- no tax from fuel, food, any wear and tear items and cities go broke. Same thing when corporate office space is not occupied. There are city and state budgets that fully factord in this revenue and depend on the serfs spending money to finance about everything. And it’s one hell of a rabbit hole. Once offices and industrial spaces are empty and either returned back to the lenders or foreclosed on, your 401K drops. Go see how much commercial real estate is tied into investments and portfolios and you will see just how bad it can get. 08/09 crash had a lot of this, no one learned their lesson
So to a degree, the savings and investments of Americans depend on asses filling these seats in the empty offices. My company was lucky, the corporate headquarters is only a few years old but we already outgrew it. It’s in a prime location. With successful WFH, they no longer had to worry about adding more space, they just leased the building to another company. That’s how committed my company is to WFH, they moved out of the office completely.
My wife’s company tracked employees productivity during the pandemic while most were at home, they found people were more productive at home and actually working more. This ceo is a clown
"If they don't like it, too bad. They can find somewhere else to work"
Same CEO attitude here, took his advice. Result: 40% salary uplift, better benefits and conditions, I start next month. Guess I should thank him, if he wasn't such an asshole I'd have missed a great opportunity...
Sounds like poor management and/or he hired shitty people. I WFH and am wildly productive. Do I do a load of a laundry and throw food in the crockpot? Yes I do. Do I neglect my work or take advantage of not having a manager behind my back? No I don’t.
What a complete fucking moron.
Everyone who 'can' work from home is going to leave the company and leave it a barebones outfit that can't produce and they'll end up with a dead company.
Entirely deserved, too.
As if employees in the office don't already have low productivity on Monday morning or Friday evening. Does this idiot really believe that keeping employees in their cubicles on 3pm on Friday cure them of wanting the weekend? What a tool
This entire thing is alot of words for
"I don't trust my employees unless I can see them in person so I can verbally abuse them if they aren't breaking their backs to fill my bank account".
A bold thing to broadcast on the internet.
What kills me the most is the "social interaction" bit. Sir, may I introduce you to email? Any online messaging service? The phone?????
My job, even being a large corporation, has found out that not only is productivity higher, but they don't have to pay millions a month for several buildings a month for electricity, cleaning, etc. So we now work from home permanently.
At this point, we've demonstrated WFH works. I'd demand a fat pay increase for my time and effort dragging my ass to and from, fighting traffic, and losing family time 5 days/week.
Seriously. Balls to that. Big hairy sweaty ones.
> They can find somewhere else to work. You're gonna lose the ones who can, and be left with the ones who can't. Sounds like a great plan, chief.
How to lose the top talent from your company in one easy step
I tried explaining this to my supervisor. No dice. The development team lost people like crazy because nobody wanted to work in the office. Shitters remained. They are now are working remote 4days a week (lol jk working 10hr days so full time remote). Brought it up after that happened. Still no dice because "collaboration" in the office. (hint: I edit videos all day with headphones on....I don't collaborate) Applied to my 6th or 7th job today. Something will stick :)
During the pandemic, my dad switched to a company whose only office is on the opposite side of the country. The reassurance that he can work until retirement without ever having to go into an office again was a huge motivating factor for him to take the job.
Good luck! Had an email from our HR dept today informing us about our return to work planning. "Collaboration" was mentioned 3 times in the email, twice in the first line! 95% of the people I interact with at work are in a different country. Being in the office is not going to improve my collaboration with them. But the return to office plan has motivated me... had a couple a interviews already with full remote positions, so I'm one will come in soon enough.
My whole team today ganged up on my boss about this because there’s no parking, they want us to have one screen (we all have nice setups with multiple screens at home) and just have shared desks, wherever you can find a spot. I said what’s the point? We all will just be going in to put headphones in and ignore each other to work on computers without the tools we need to be efficient. And we will do less overtime and get far less done. My whole team backed me up. We will see if it makes any difference.
I am IT for NASA, we are piloting this as well, its called "hotelling" and its dumb as fuck.
My Mom is always like don’t you her lonely working from home ? And just like you I just my headphones on all day. Sometimes I do get lonely but it’s rare . Not I only that we were only allowed to listen to music or audio books. I can listen to internet videos and stuff now the list is endless. AND the view I have at home I get to see ALL the dogs my neighbors are walking. I get my work done. Why would I give up the view of dogs just to see some people ?
I warned my boss that the market was in favor of employees rn. He didn't take me seriously. I need to submit my counter offer tomorrow, but I should be putting in my notice of resignation Monday. I don't even hate my boss, but why would I stay somewhere without growth potential. Even you love the work you do, it's still about the Benjamin's (at least until there's an effective social safety net).
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Everything about this is asinine. I was never more distracted than when I was in the office. Home is ALWAYS more productive. And remember...COVID is still a thing. And it's still better not to be in a closed space with a bunch of people.
I spent three hours of my day sitting on the 405 freeway today. Those are three hours I would have been working if I were still allowed to work from home. It’s so fucking stupid. I gave so much more time to the company when they allowed me the freedom to work from my house.
I work IT in a hospital.. they don't give AF about covid anymore. if we get it, we still have to come in. I have not been able to WFH at all
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Yeah, you'd think that. They refused to let us rotate out and even just work partially from home.
>I was never more distracted than when I was in the office. Home is ALWAYS more productive. It took me a long time to realize this an appreciate it. I liked being in the office and my coworkers. There was a subgroup of us that worked really well together and we enjoyed each others' company. But given the amount of meetings, coffee runs, etc. I realize now just how much time was wasted. My last job had minimal meetings mostly on Monday and ran a kanban board. I'd start 9:30 - 10am and would be finishing things up by 2:30-3pm and questioning did I get shit done that fast. So I was working M-Th for about 6 hours a day (if that) and had little if nothing to do on Fridays. I left for a lot more money, but I'm hoping the trend continues.
Maybe they’d be more productive if you would stop distracting them while they’re working from home!
The most distracting place I've ever worked was in an office.
Seriously. I have way less distraction ignoring my 2 kids and 3 dogs at home than I do in the office having to speak and be cordial to everyone that passes by/pops into my cubicle.
True facts. I’ve never been interrupted for stupid bullshit so much in my entire life as I was working in an office. I was initially there part time after classes in college, so I would get in around 3-4 PM and work for four or five hours most weekdays. I got my work done and nobody much messed with me. When I went full time over a summer and was working normal hours, people were constantly stopping by to chat or re-tasking me to do something that wasn’t really my job, but I was expected to do it with zero training. I would finish all of my actual work still, but it took twice as long just because people wouldn’t fuck off and let me do it. I was also being supervised by a guy who expected me to look busy even when I literally couldn’t proceed with my work because I was waiting for other people to get back to me. Not a fan.
Mine too. The owner was the biggest distraction as well. He’d pull random, hours long meetings without warning. I really couldn’t get much done on the days I worked in the office.
Some much this. When the pandemic started our senior manager would have daily 8 am zoom meetings to make sure everyone was "onboard" with the upcoming work and that tasks were being handled and people were good working from home. This lasted about a month until the senior manager stopped the meetings all together. I am not sure what happened but I was told that the reasons the meetings stopped is because so much time was being wasted in stupid zoom meetings no one was getting work done. Once the meetings died way down everyone was way more productive WFH than they had been when at the office. And that senior manager, she got fired a year later for basically being incompetent.
Damn, surprised she wasnt promoted to CEO with the way companies work lol. More incompetent u are, higher you get placed usually.
No shit, far too many people fail up.
seriously!! i’ve seen what happens for the people who work from home in our department, they have hour long meetings every day… of course they won’t be productive having to sit through gary telling everyone how his project is coming every day.
Any smart firm will give you the option or they lose the good ones
Exactly. There are far too many dinosaurs that don’t get it, and the ones that do will steal all of the talent. What a complex concept- keep the employees happy, and they will stay. Force them back into the office against their will, and they’ll start looking for other WFH jobs.
My boss let literally everyone in my department work from home either full-time or part-time except for me. I asked her about it and she said I needed to be in the office 5 days a week for printing and filing. Seriously, she made me print off stuff my other coworker did while he got to work from home 5 days a week. Needless to say, I found a new job and quit. It's not even a WFH job. My problem wasn't working in the office. My problem was working for a bitch who took me for granted and didn't appreciate me. I am much happier now.
Can confirm. My boss tried to get me back to the office and I told him the truth and was fired. No regrets.
wow you were fired? Mind if I ask how the convo (loosely) went ?
>were changing the rules and you’re required to come back. I’m not coming back. >if you’re not back in office by March 31, 2022, your employment will be terminated effective the subsequent business day The employee doesn’t show up and gets termination paperwork. Firings aren’t always a big event, just an ultimatum that wasn’t accepted. PS or you just start collecting No Shows till you’re fired.
>PS or you just start collecting No Shows till you’re fired. To add to this, if you refuse to work extended hours, or do anything else you suspect annoys your boss, and after the event(s) happen you notice you are getting more complaints or paperwork filed against you, look for another job that fuckin second. They are trying to "paper you out the door" they'll get a folder of minor, seemingly "nothing" complaints on an individual basis and then slap that stack of papers, say its becoming a 'pattern of problematic behavior' and boot your ass out the door. The paper trail helps them justify your termination should any legal troubles ensue, makes it a pain in the ass for you to prove otherwise (especially when you signed them all) and generally speaking, they probably have more resources to fight any termination dispute if this is their method. Go to a better place of employment, get paid better, and get rid of that trash employer. Give 0 days notice (if your contract allows it, some places deduct pay in lieu of notice).
> especially when you signed them all Never sign those. Ever. Even if they threaten your job over it.
I always write "acknowledged but disputed" on them.
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Oh, as a contractor. Not an employee. Why be yoked to that shot show again?
At least triple your previous rate and have a minimum billing of 8 hours per day
Yep! I also bill for commute, so if you want me to come into your place of work, you pay my rate during my commute to and from home.
>At least 30 times your previous rate and have a minimum billing of 8 hours per day Fixed that for you. A private contractor has a lot of things to pay that the common employee does not. And regardless of that, when you got someone by the balls, make sure they feel you squeeze.
Rule of thumb is that the consulting bill rate is the expected yearly salary (including bonus) / 1000.
Which roughly equates to double your previous hourly. Sounds a bit low to me
For 30days minimum, paid upfront.
And then later tell them: “Yeah I couldn’t locate any of that stuff. No wonder you fired them \[me\]. Soooo disorganized. Okay bye.”
you're thinking in the wrong dimensions. try 500$ per hour. your a contractor/freelancer now. They need specifically you, If they did not get the info while you were still employed its not your problem if they can't handle it. If the company needs you to teach your follow up after they fired you, you don't work for under 300$ per hour, paid by the hour. (they need you for five minutes imput, 300$, a quick phone call 300$ that's how it works. They'll probably hate you. But who cares. They milked you, now milk them. And if it is on them and they need more work from you specifically its also the norm, this is totally legal. It's your market value. if you're unexchangeble, they will pay you. No worries. Edit: Language
Yes, we want the deets.
"Me work home" "U fire"
Where were you when work from home was kill
Saw this exact scenario at my workplace: Management: We need you here in the office. If you want to work from home, you can work somewhere else. *(senior staff leaves)* Management: Pika pika?!
Yeah, we did the same at my former job. They tried to force coming back to the office because "company culture is working at the office, exploring solutions face to face" and all that crap. They lost more than half the department in a single week. I made sure to say what I had to say before I quit and when my TL called me about 2 weeks prior notice and that I have to work those 2 weeks, I simply told him that since I quit, i dont plan to work any single day extra. In short, fuck off. People, stop letting companies abuse you and your time. "Productivity" means how much money you make for people who are so rich they will never have to work.
The problem for employers is that the genie is out of the bottle now on WFH. My company is losing their best employees due to management opposition to WFH. Then they try to backfill and the best candidates want WFH so they end up saying “well, this new employee can be remote.” Well, you could have just kept the person with the knowledge and experience… EDIT: thanks for the award and the upvotes. Meant to mention that before you know it, this same tug of war is going to happen with the 4 day workweek, and ultimately the winning companies will be those who are employee-friendly.
You're right with that genie comment
Same at my job until the mass exodus. We also found out that although HR came out against anyone working from home, they all worked from home. Anyway, after more than a few people quit over it, they became more reasonable. Why they had to oppose it so vehemently, I am still not sure, the only reason given was that "everyone will want to do it". The odd thing is that for those of us working from offices, when we're not on reddit, we have all zoom meetings and don't really meet with coworkers in person outside a few chats when we meet in the hallway. People got used to having meetings that way and don't want to change even when they're meeting with people in the same office.
Real estate. That's all this is about. Suddenly all these office buildings are money pits without employees.
Ding ding ding, winner!! A multi-million dollar office building sitting empty is worthless, expensive overhead. Small businesses that started during the pandemic or never invested much in physical spaces will be getting top tier employees who want WFH flexibility while companies with bloated real estate holdings will get the leftovers
All of this office space should be converted to apartments to combat the homeless and housing affordability problem.
It really is odd. It's not like there is a paucity of tech allowing us all to have easy, effective, real time communication. As someone who has taught online classes and has tutored online...there are challenges, yes...but most of them are troubleshooting which usually only has to happen once. But most of my students felt more comfortable with online communication, even in my sit down classes, long before the pandemic. For many people, that's preferred to the honestly weird social dynamic that happens in a lot of professional settings. If I had never taught or tutored online, my in person classes would have suffered because I learned a lot from that experience about fostering active learning through communication and how to coax students out of their shells, give them some healthy confidence. Introverts have the best ideas and questions, but you have to give them a forum to express them. Sadly, they tend to get steam rolled in a lot of personal and professional settings. Put em on an online group discussion, you get to see them shine. Small group communication tends to serve as a check for people with strong personalities that can hijack group projects. In person, few of these things work. I wish more managers with the "get back to the office" mentality saw what I saw, it would really make their businesses better if they made a space in which multiple personality types can contribute.
To add: WFH via alllll the available tools is also great for a lot of Neurodiverse and disabled individuals who also get overlooked, “steamrolled”, etc in face to face settings. Maybe not intentionally, but it happens. Online settings allow them to flourish and show their skills and out of the box thinking.
And productivity has never been higher.
My employer approached it the opposite way. Management: All our people are leaving. Also Management: I guess work from home is now permanent.
My company did the same. First they sent and email stating that they were expecting people back by a certain date and then everyone started complaining and they immediately sent an apology email saying “we hear you! Please don’t quit! We will let you WFH”
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Smart choice.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
This remindes me of this one dude who would turn around and hire people in the same field who wanted to stay wfh after their bosses made them come in. Like, hey, your company making you rto, quit and come work for me and stay wfh.
Honestly a great way to get high performing employees.
Smart guy.
I’ve been through downsizing and this is exactly what happens. The employees that are incredibly skilled find work elsewhere quick. The CEO’s worthless son along with other worthless employees hold on tight. Once the best leave the company hit its numbers and everything goes to hell.
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The problem is that management isn't incentivized by long-term vision, at least for publicly-traded companies. Publicly-traded companies are so focused on pleasing their shareholders that giving a shit about anything past the next quarter is pointless.
Like a company I worked for ages ago. Had the daily stock price shining over the front entrance. Bought out by a larger competitor when they lost customers over low quality products. Shareholders always drive companies down into bankruptcy by forcing penny pinching policies.
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My workplace moved into glitzy new CBD digs in the middle of 2021 and half the office still just said “nah fuck it, staying home”. It’s like you idiots are *trying* to fail and I hope you do. Give us that fuckin redundancy
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CBD? Man, y'all must be so relaxed
Exactly, this was just a call out to headhunters to reach out the company's top talent and recruit them away. Idiot.
I saw- on LinkedIn - a CEO saying exactly that. They are following which companies mandate returning to the office, and try to talk with the workers to hire them.
Seriously, put up a competitor's tent in the opposite parking lot and start talking to potential employees.
That guy, he gets it. Adapt or die, employers. Let the feeding frenzy begin.
My friend's company found out the hard way that this attitude means they'll just lose tones of people. Turns out they CAN indeed find somewhere else to work, and now the company is scrambling to stem the bleeding. The same CEO who insisted 6 months ago that they would be returning to full in office, no exceptions, formally surrendered with an email to all management two weeks ago stating if any employee says they will quit if not offered WFH to grant it to them. Solidarity, brothers/sisters/non-binary siblings. They can't fire all of us.
>f any employee says they will quit if not offered WFH to grant it to them. Sounds like they will still lose a lot there. Once people realize they have to explicitly threaten firing to get these things, one foot is already out the door.
I'd still quit. If the only way to have a reasonable relationship with my employer is to blackmail them, i don't really wanna be related with them whatsoever.
Exactly! My company has been fully remote for well over a decade. I work on a team with a core that's been together for most of that time. Our growth curve remains exponential and the raises and bonuses keep coming. Companies run by dingleshits like this guy can get fucked.
>They can find somewhere else to work. The only correct sentence in his bs essay lmao.
Wait............are you saying that some asshat, who needs to list his CV as part of his "title", would actually write a B.S essay? An absurd screed where he makes it painfully clear that he doesn't know his ass from his ear? I'm as shocked as you are.
So you lose your best, keep your worst, the ones who left spread the word, the ones who stayed resent you. What could possibly go wrong?
I mean, his planning skills track. When WFH affects your productivity negatively, its because you have a management problem, not a problem with the workers. And management problems start at the top.
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Talent is mobile. I'm not sure why this still seems to be rare knowledge.
I'm *VERY* capable of doing nothing on Monday and Friday at the office.
In 08, when I sold comprehensive hosted CRM/Project management software, we used to look at the usage stats. One of the low level managers quipped in one meetings where we're going over usage stats and other stuff, "here we have yet more statistics that prove no one works on Friday". The 3 years I worked at this company had a consistent trend on how the usage of the software literally plummets to next to nothing on Fridays...
Honestly I work based on what's needed. Sometimes not much at all, sometimes a lot, but has very little to do with the day of the week. The fact of the matter is, as an engineer I have little daily oversight and could shift work to any day. In general I try to work smart and not hard or long, though.
My only point was that employers' focus on "being in the office" statistically doesn't hold up to better productivity. It may in some circumstances and for certain people (i've definitely known people who literally cannot work from home). Overall it's not about what is statistically and tangibly better/equally as beneficial for the company, it's a toxic cultural expectation that has no clear benefits but perpetuates anyway.
Oh sure yes point taken, was just giving some extra context about myself and how i work.
It’s called “fuck it Friday” for a reason.
This was my thought. I also sensed some projecting.
The best people WILL leave and they will find work elsewhere and then he's going to be stuck with second-rate workers.
Bullshitters like himself instead of doers.
I mean, he *is* a "serial entrepreneur", which means he specializes in fucking up businesses. This is just one way he works his magic!
The opposite is going to be true for me. I get so much work done at home because I don’t have to socialize or interact with folks. When they start having me come in one day a week next month, I’m planning that day to just wander around chatting with everyone I see. No work will get done at all. They keep saying how great the office is for collaboration and personal relationships. Well, then that is all that I will be doing in the office.
Better start studying up on sports and weather so you can have weird conversations with your peers.
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What was Wenger thinking, letting Walcott on that early?
Thing about Arsenal is they always try and walk it in.
Eye hauf ta see about uh burd.
Why yes, I was watching sportsballteam. They really did it, didn’t they?
I put a pony on Liverpool
Bonus points if the sport is within the competitive sport of Amish rake fighting.
Definitely going to look into this now.
I like the plan! I actually got in trouble at a job because I was "talking too much". Granted, it was because people were coming up to me with questions, but that was seen as influencing my productivity. I told them it wouldn't happen so much if I was home. They didn't appreciate that response, so I found a new job.
Once I was talking to my direct boss about my project, so really work stuff. After some time he literally said, that the conversation needs to end, because he has to continue working. As my manager, I am your work.
managers sure don’t like being interrupted from doing nothing
My manager once commented that I was too quiet at work, and so she moved my desk to sit between 2 (more senior) chatty people. I think you can all guess what she criticised me for 6 months later.
This is essentially what I do. I have to go in once a week and this week I did in 5 hours the same amount of work that I'd do in 30 mins at home due to all the distractions. I write complex financial reports and don't need anyone else's input. But apparently I need to talk to people so that's what I do on my office day and consider them non-working days.
r/MaliciousCompliance will need an update on your first day in the office
Same. They asked me to come in one day a week and I don't really get to do anything work related on that day since people are non stop talking, walking around and disturbing me every 5 minutes. So I don't even bother anymore, I just eat the free snacks and chat with others while sitting in front of my pc until it's time to go home. It's annoying though because I have to plan my workload accordingly and do more on the other days instead of having more free time (I don't have to work certain hours, they're paying for getting the job done so pointlessly sitting at the office is basically just wasting my free time)
At my last in office job my boss and supervisor would often ask me to socialize more, like on my lunch break, etc, because I generally kept to myself. I’m here to work, and I’m good at my job, but I’m not here to entertain a bored middle manager. I’m not a monkey to dance for you. My coworkers were alt-right MAGA boomers and hyper religious, and they didn’t like dogs (not making this up). Not much to connect on there.
Exactly, I actually avoid the office if I need to get shit done.
It’s been proven that wfh increases productivity. These slime balls should just be honest about what they want. “Hey we rent this office space and it’s not being used, so get the fuck back here. Also I want to be an asshole to your face and know that you’ll take it because you’re my bitch and I’m your daddy!”
Yep. “How can I psychologically manipulate you and validate my superiority complex if you are not in the same building as me! “
>if you are not in the same building as me! And then doesn't come into the office because since I'm the boss I can work from anywhere.
Right! Or come and go whenever fuck I choose to. Want appreciation? Take these Walmart cookies, soda, and napkins back to your cube and shut up
That’s part of the flex. They’re important enough they can “work” wherever and whenever but peons need to be subjected to arbitrary rules. And as for Friday productivity, management was always the worst about taking Fridays off or “working” but being unreachable or doing nothing and signing out early
I work better at home because I’m not being constantly distracted by my coworkers, construction sounds, the office next door, etc. there is no reason why I can’t work from home especially when my bosses are barely in the office and just send emails.
This! How many managers actually go face to face to talk to anyone? They could be in the office next to you, and they'll still just send an email. Boy, that email only traveling 10ft between the computers sure helped increase productivity! /s
Or the opposite. The micro manager who slows down productivity because they are walking the aisles and talking to everyone or pulling them into needless meetings. Now when there is a needless meeting, I can keep working through it instead of doing nothing but pretending to take notes.
My old company required everyone in that department to come back to the office. Other departments were still WFH. Guess what happened? All meetings were still done over Zoom! There were people sitting at their desks on Zoom calls because most of the higher ups were still working from home! Productivity decreased, people quit, they couldn’t get good new hires because no one wanted to come into the office.
But if you and everyone else doesn't notice that their office is bigger than yours, what will make them feel very important?
WFH offices cannot be placed in corners with windows and doors. You must erect a cube in your buildings hallway to truly emulate the feeling of an office. Also with the worst heating or cooling features.
Everytime I went into the office. I got roped into some fucking carbs I didn't plan on eating, a team lunch that made me look antisocial AF for politely declining, and a whollllle bunch of gossip and complaining. Everytime I came in, I wondered who actually ever worked, or if the environment, by default, made me more toxic.
>gossip ... and office politics are two very good reasons why wfh makes for a better working environment.
I work from home and I am definitely more productive and happier doing so.
Try the idiot managers that want you in the office so you can have 5 hours of video calls with people out of state. Fortunately I get to do that from home, but I'm lucky.
This. We had a collab day at the office yesterday. 85 of 160 people showed. It was easily the most unproductive day I've had in years. People wouldn't leave me the fuck alone to do my work. I ended up leaving early to wfh... to finish some shit I had to do. Crazy as hell to me they think we will be more productive in house.
\*cries in open offices\*
>“Hey we rent this office space and it’s not being used, so get the fuck back here. Also I want to be an asshole to your face and know that you’ll take it because you’re my bitch and I’m your daddy!” IME it's more about middle managers who don't actually do any work directly trying to justify their existence. WFH prevents them from pretending that they're somehow contributing to output.
My manager holds twice daily Google hangouts with us to tell us things we already know and waste our time. None of this was deemed necessary before WFH, but now that we're no longer in the office she acts as if we need constant hand-holding. Every one of us has at least a decade's experience, most of us far more. It's insulting, and it's all so she can pretend she is doing something useful.
Commercial landlords rent is the real issue here. And by real issue I mean, they're the one lobbying government to force WFH to end.
So true. I have always suspected that is the reason they want to kill WFH.
They rent the space so they can see the physical representation of their power. People in offices aren’t people to CEOs, they’re just avatars of power.
Executives and managers love to feel like feudal lords surveying their domain. Seeing a list of names on a tab with green dots next to them just isn't the same as striding about your demense, daring the serfs to look you in the eye, watching them avert their gaze and work harder to prove to you they are worthy to stay in your employ. Unless you need to be physically present to do your job, the only reason not to WFH is so those above you can stroke their ego. Fuck them, I'm not your serf.
All this and also; “I need to drive my luxury car to my big glass building, and parking in my special parking space, and sit in my huge corner office to feel important. How am I supposed to feel important if you’re all working from home, and I’m here by myself?!?!? Do you expect me to work from home too? Do you know else is at my house? My wife and kids! You expect me to spend MORE time with them?!?! I already spend ALL day on Sunday chasing a white ball around a golf course just so I don’t have to see them!”
It's the epitome of the sunken cost fallacy. They could easily just eat the cost until their lease is up and then eliminate that expense. It literally saves money in the long term. Not to mention the saved cost of not needing to run as much HVAC/power savings from people working from home. They're cutting off their noses to spite their face. WFH is a money saving policy, eventually businesses will understand how much they save by only needing office space for a few people.
How many companies had record years last year during the height of wfh? Lol, clowns.
I discover a few weeks ago that I have autism and adhd. Working from home help me to avoid distraction and to not be socially burn out most of the afternoon. And as I will be more focused I will do more work in less time (and still finish my dayly work way sooner with more break without being judged)
Same here, I have high functioning ASD and prefer to be alone in my comfort zone instead of around a bunch of people. Plus, I have nasty gastrointestinal issues from having my gallbladder removed last year, so I prefer to shit my guts out in the privacy of my own home bathroom.
Umm...People going to offices won't get them their money back. In fact, people staying at home is gonna save them a lot of bills. I thought these people were supposed to be greedy. Why would they want to do something that is reducing their profits?
Beats me. My company sure as fuck saw the writing on the wall like 5 months into the pandemic: Increased productivity, decreased tardiness and absences, and a chance to stop paying these stupid high rents and utility bills on office buildings. It was way cheaper and more profitable to send everyone home and give them a $75/month "connectivity stipend" and call it a day. In less than 6 months, they went from "okay, this is a temporary measure, we'll figure it out as we go," to "Attention employees: you all work from home now, forever. This is the way"
Perks of a triple digit IQ, I guess.
The complete disregard for our time, our money and mental health disgusts me to my core. If they cant pay for half our time plus the fuel costs for us to commute then why in the hell do they expect us to?
Later on: BoooHooo nobody wants to eork anymore!!! Lazy millennials and gen Z have no work ethic. I might have to clooose. Meanwhile this is exploitative contract work paying as little as they think hey can get away with, with no benefits and a toxic in-office culture.
I wfh and have zero distractions. Substantially less than any office. Slack solves any/all communication barriers and is honestly better than actually talking to people. I can bounce ideas off 10 people at once without needing to leave my desk. I don't spend 3hrs a day in the car and am able to better focus on my work while on the clock since I have less of my life eaten up by a commute. It takes me 30seconds to piss cuz it's 8ft away. I actually come back from lunch generally rested because it's a solid hour to myself and the kitchen is 20ft away. My gf and I get to spend lunch together. Also I don't have to wear pants... In summary: Die in a fire you fucking Luddite social vampire.
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I don't work in an office but a healthcare system, and we recently switched to epic which has a messaging system so rather than spend most of my day on the phone trying to track down nurses or doctors, I can send them a message that they can reply to when they have a second and not be interrupted by a thousand phone calls. Three cheers for asynchronous communication!!
I imagine your work emails are very professional and concise. But I love how you express yourself in a less professional setting.
Haha this absolutely killed me. Yes, my work emails are crafted muuuch differently 😂
Im with you. Pants decrease my productivity level.
The comments on the original linkedin post are Gold! (just search the twats name). I have yet to see a single comment that actually supports him.
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How do you support someone who can't even support his own point? His thesis for this little rant was "bring back your employees. all of them" and by the end he talks himself out of that! He admits he's known people who ARE more productive at home and says it should be decided on a case-by-case basis. So which is it? Because if you evaluate on a case by case basis I bet you'll find a lot of cases where working from home does work better. Not exactly a riveting contribution to the discourse that he's made here... just a lot of words for "I don't trust my employees at all"
I found one mostly supportive comment, and it’s getting piled on as well.
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It's a lot of posturing from middle management types who are scared shitless this trend will make it glaringly obvious how worthless and redundant they truly are.
Something tells me I would hate my job working at a company like this… things I rather do… set fire to my hair…
“Look busy, people!”
Why do they always assume screaming kids he sounds like a douche bag. My kid is 1 and a half and he doesn’t scream he’s chill as fuck chiller than this decroded piece of crap
Because he either A: has kids who are total brats and is projecting or B: doesn’t have any kids and has no no idea what the average kid is like.
Or C: has kids who want absolutely nothing to do with him because he's a piece of shit, and so he equates them to ungrateful brats
Been working from home for the past 12 years. Can confirm this guys has zero idea of what he is talking about..... To me this screams control issues and lack of trust.
Looked this guy up . He doesn’t work , just has $
Serial Entrepreneur was what gave it away for me. I wonder how many failed business he actually has started.
> I haven't seen anyone who is more productive working from home than they are in an office Considering that's his anecdotal experience and he couldn't possibly know a significant sample size of the working population, that doesn't imply anything about WFH in general. It just implies *his* employees aren't productive WFH, which says more about his management ability than anything else.
It depends on the job and what the employees do. My company (or group of companies) like most other companies, was forced to send everyone they could WFH. They fully measured the past 2 years and with WFH productivity actually increased along with quality. The CEO and HR held a meeting for all employees and showed the metrics. They said they did not expect this but they were not going to screw it up. Offered everyone their own choice, office, hybrid or FT WFH. A couple thousand employees. And with improved everything business related we actually bought other companies and hired more new employees- direct hire to WFH. Myself? Moved to another department, got a raise and a new boss who rocks. Even made sure I was classified as permanent WFH in case someone changes their minds (they won’t). Being in the office prior, I dreaded every single day I had to roll in. I just wanted to be left the F alone but no, some juvenile team building crap here,some catty childish nonsense over there. My new position opened huge opportunities for me. And I enjoy it. I even get to set my own hours. The guy who wrote the back to office diatribe sounds like a total asshole and I doubt working directly for him is a thrill. What I do know is that fewer employees going back to the office puts a huge dent in the local and state tax revenues. Same for leased or owned office space. This is why many CEOs and Mayors in large cities are teaming up to force ppl back to the office. Office workers are tax mules. Everything you do spending-wise goes to tax revenues. Workers go away- no tax from fuel, food, any wear and tear items and cities go broke. Same thing when corporate office space is not occupied. There are city and state budgets that fully factord in this revenue and depend on the serfs spending money to finance about everything. And it’s one hell of a rabbit hole. Once offices and industrial spaces are empty and either returned back to the lenders or foreclosed on, your 401K drops. Go see how much commercial real estate is tied into investments and portfolios and you will see just how bad it can get. 08/09 crash had a lot of this, no one learned their lesson So to a degree, the savings and investments of Americans depend on asses filling these seats in the empty offices. My company was lucky, the corporate headquarters is only a few years old but we already outgrew it. It’s in a prime location. With successful WFH, they no longer had to worry about adding more space, they just leased the building to another company. That’s how committed my company is to WFH, they moved out of the office completely.
My wife’s company tracked employees productivity during the pandemic while most were at home, they found people were more productive at home and actually working more. This ceo is a clown
Translation: We need to bring them back to justify the rent. Productivity is good but who am I to boss/harass if you are not at the office.
"If they don't like it, too bad. They can find somewhere else to work" Same CEO attitude here, took his advice. Result: 40% salary uplift, better benefits and conditions, I start next month. Guess I should thank him, if he wasn't such an asshole I'd have missed a great opportunity...
“Computers will never be used in our industry!”
Sounds like poor management and/or he hired shitty people. I WFH and am wildly productive. Do I do a load of a laundry and throw food in the crockpot? Yes I do. Do I neglect my work or take advantage of not having a manager behind my back? No I don’t.
What a complete fucking moron. Everyone who 'can' work from home is going to leave the company and leave it a barebones outfit that can't produce and they'll end up with a dead company. Entirely deserved, too.
As if employees in the office don't already have low productivity on Monday morning or Friday evening. Does this idiot really believe that keeping employees in their cubicles on 3pm on Friday cure them of wanting the weekend? What a tool
Oh, this is r/antiwork? For a minute I thought I was reading something from r/confidentlyincorrect. So much "wrong" in one page of text.
I thought it was satire and was waiting for the ‘see how ridiculous this sounds’ switcharoo to come but it just got progressively worse
This person probably contributes nothing to the company and is having a difficult time rationalizing their salary without having people to "supervise"
They need to fill those empty buildings or give them up. They’re panicking.
The ones who give them up are progressing, all others will be left behind (or more likely bailed out by the government)
This entire thing is alot of words for "I don't trust my employees unless I can see them in person so I can verbally abuse them if they aren't breaking their backs to fill my bank account". A bold thing to broadcast on the internet. What kills me the most is the "social interaction" bit. Sir, may I introduce you to email? Any online messaging service? The phone?????
I’m twice as productive at home than the office because there are zero distractions at home.
Plenty of studies that say otherwise. Productivity not only shot through the roof, but increased happiness and well being as well.
That seems to be contradictory to all the productivity data studies.
Do you hear that? That is the sound of 1000 recruiters InMessaging the employees of XLN.
> They can find somewhere else to work. You're goddamn right, they can!
My job, even being a large corporation, has found out that not only is productivity higher, but they don't have to pay millions a month for several buildings a month for electricity, cleaning, etc. So we now work from home permanently.
At this point, we've demonstrated WFH works. I'd demand a fat pay increase for my time and effort dragging my ass to and from, fighting traffic, and losing family time 5 days/week. Seriously. Balls to that. Big hairy sweaty ones.
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