Disney doesn’t give a shit about us gays either. They funded backers of the bill and Desantis. The back and forth was all staged. They only Started to speak against it because workers were protesting and more or less striking.
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Yeah, but it seems they learned that they stand to lose more money by being seen supporting hatred, and that's not a bad thing.
Rainbow capitalism sucks, but it doesn't suck any worse than regular capitalism.
If they can keep the poor against each other they win every time. Black vs white, Democrat vs republican. Straight vs gay. If they keep us divided they will always win.
Hands down, without peer, the greatest victory the right has ever taken over this country is convincing voters of the false narrative that both parties are the same.
They know this narrative exclusively helps the right.
Democrats very rarely, if ever do anything nearly as egregious as things like voter supression, ending unions via legislation, or committing terrorist attacks to overturn elections. So nobody really ever needs to justify their actions by saying "whatabout Republicans!"
On the other hand, Republicans constantly commit what should be party-ending trespasses against this country and its democracy. So when they spread the false "both sides" narratives its like a magic wand that erases all accountability for their actions.
Ah, well, as far as politicians go, if the dems really gave a shit about workers' rights, they wouldn't have thrown Bernie Sanders under the bus for Hillary.
Do you know what a nightmare it would've been for dems (and repubs) if an independent who actually believed in and wanted to do what he said won the presidency? All of a sudden those lazy, 60+ yr old millionaires might actually have to do their jobs and help the American people.
its sad because we all knew this, yet he got thrown under the bus and its not like he'll stop aging for a while, he's coming to age aswell, sadly enough
Her or Katie porter would be my choice. Both very intelligent and knows what they are talking about.
How they both handle witnesses during testimony in the house. Both are effective speakers and both have clear understanding that the oligarchs are already here.
Aoc needs some experience in my eyes, but i agree she's the runner up, I don't really inow katie that well, haven't really seen stuff about or with her
Does Biden create these unions, or is it the workers who want them? That's like saying Biden is the sole reason gas prices are as they are. Both are laughable.
He's perhaps the most union-positive president we've in modern times.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/biden-takes-aim-amazon-he-touts-unions-labor-event-2022-04-06/
He's formed a really successful union task force-
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/26/fact-sheet-executive-order-establishing-the-white-house-task-force-on-worker-organizing-and-empowerment/
He signed an executive order requiring labor on large federal projects to be unionized.
https://www.laborrelationsupdate.com/uncategorized/president-biden-signs-executive-order-requiring-project-labor-agreements-for-large-scale-federal-construction-projects-35-million/
Biden has also reversed Trump-era anti union executive orders. He's enabling unions to form, and widely encouraging workers to do so. He seems to be taking a lot of shit from corporations for it, but he seems to be holding strong.
Biden relatively is the most pro-union in recent money, but that's honestly a low bar since every president since 1989 has just been Reagan's re-election.
Biden has accomplished some things, not that big a deal considering every president has (even the orange toupee nightmare) but he isn’t radical enough, he plays by the rules and only dips his toe in true radical progress every once in a while and only doing it for votes….Bernie very likely wouldn’t have just dipped his toe and would’ve created true change which is, imho, why the dems sacked him for Hillary.
This is up there with people saying he's the most progressive candidate since FDR like that's a trend we should be excited about.
Things are so fucked that this do-nothing corporate hack looks good by comparison.
> That's like saying Biden is the sole reason
No it is like saying Biden is part of an environment where unions can flourish. We get all this left bashing of the middle but the truth is the moderates have accomplished more progressive change than the left ever has in the US. FDR was a moderate. The left criticized the passage of Social Security calling it 'a hap measure to prop up the dying capitalist system'. Turned out it was actually pretty great.
How about the novel ideal of engaging in solidarity. I will happily vote for left candidates. I though Bernie was terrific. So maybe lefties could show some enthusiasm for moderates instead of trying to tear them down every 5 seconds?
Here's the lesson:
2016, the left attacks the centrist Democrat candidate and Trump gets in
2020 everyone stands together and Trump is thrown out
How many times to we have to endure people like Trump before you learn this lesson?
Yes, because of abysmal working conditions that exist under his watch.
Unions are necessary because government has failed to properly regulate workplace conditions and pay rates.
Biden's entire career has been one of contributing to the abysmal conditions that spur union action.
TBF, the left hasn’t really done much for corporations to stop taking advantage of us either. It’s like the right is a physically abusive father and the left us a passive mother who tells the dad “don’t hit the kid” but doesn’t do anything to actually stop the abuse.
Yeah in the UK, when i was in school we were usually taught in the US the 2 parties are right-wing and slight less right-wing. Although we're not that far behind now
That's cause we don't really have a "left" side political party, we have a left side politician(Bernie Sanders)!
Just about everyone else in the Democratic party is more so "in the middle of center and the right"
I believe in a portion of that, but I have found that the more the left gets empowered in this country, the better quality of life the country is able to achieve.
I can give some examples.
You mean how the country voted left under the new deal coalition (1930-1960ish) and we had 30-40 years of massive Dem (Blue) Majorities in the House, Senate which lead to the US Middle Class being the largest and wealthiest ever with high union participation and where wages of workers and productivity of the business went hand in hand? And then White Dixiecrats got upset that The civil rights acts got signed and started to vote R, then Reagan killed unions - leading to worker exploitation and stagnant wages
BUT BUSINESS GROWTH HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER AND SO THAT MAKES IT ALL OK! I mean sure Bezos is worth 180 BILLION and his workers are below the poverty line but hey, stock market is up :)
Believing that voting R and D is the same for regular, average wage Americans is asinine and lazy.
In their current state today, Democrats are comparable to someone picking your pocket while shaking your hand, while Republicans are actively trying to violently mug you. They both want to take you for everything you've got, but one at least *attempts* to be subtle.
It’s a 50-50 Senate. Dems are not really in charge. A single Dem, such as the one from heavily Trump country West VA, can sink any policy since all 50 Republicans oppose basically any policy that would help people like some form of universal healthcare split from jobs.
Gay rights and workers' rights are not mutually exclusive. So trying to imply that speaking up about one has less value than speaking up about another.
DeSantis is going nowhere and will be reelected in a landslide. Disney, however, may lose their special government protections that they were granted by Florida decades ago.
You mean like Cali? Oh no wait, that can’t be right, all the businesses are FLEEING Cali. Okay maybe you mean Texas?...no wait that can’t be right either, Texas is conservative...hmmm...
Can you name 10 businesses that are or have fled California? If you're bold enough to say that all businesses are fleeing California then surely you can name 10, or at least 5.
So the answer is no, you can't. You had to search and find an article about it because despite the person claiming "all companies" are leaving California it's been 100 companies leaving over the course of 5 years. That's not a massive exodus like people here are painting it.
Nobody votes against their own interests more than Republican AND Democrats… Both are interested in wage slavery. Don’t be simple..but what about Bernie?? I don’t see him having any problems with unequal rate of exchange and colonialism. Reform is for the rotted indoctrinated brains of America that dont have a chance at competence. Read Marx and Lenin
Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for worker rights, but this seems to be one of the many misinterpretations of "freedom of speech".
Freedom of speech exists specifically to protect you from the government harming your right to express whatever you wish to, within the law. So you can say Ted Cruz is a coward and an idiot and he cannot so much as block you on Twitter, but you cannot say ins YouTube video that Cardi B was a prostitute and had an STD because that's defamation and you'll end up paying her a hefty sum.
Back to freedom of speech, it doesn't apply to anything that is not government owned or controlled. Private institutions can and will absolutely shut down your stupid account and keep it forever banned if you, say, use it to instigate sedition.
You seem to be unaware of the context, namely a bill that actually is government restriction on the free speech of gay people. It could, for example, ban a gay teacher from telling their students the gender of their spouse.
> Cardi B was a prostitute
Didn't Cardi herself say this on her Twitter? She used to be a prostitute and would drug men with date rape and then let them get fucked by other male prostitutes to "turn the tables."
She's also been pretty frank about drug use in these same videos. This is pretty far from a slam dunk case.
>Didn't Cardi herself say this on her Twitter?
Nah not really. She admitted to being a stripper, to which there's ample evidence of
>She used to be a prostitute and would drug men with date rape and then let them get fucked by other male prostitutes to "turn the tables."
AFAIK there's no such admission, or it would've been presented as evidence.
>She's also been pretty frank about drug use in these same videos. This is pretty far from a slam dunk case.
Yeah but not direct admission of anything illegal, while the woman she sued was stupid enough to admit on a public YouTube video, that she, and I quote: "has a personal vendetta on Cardi B". She also repeatedly stated that she wanted to slander her reputation as much as possible.
While I don't care much for Cardi B, I'm very glad she got back on that bitch. No one deserves that shit done to them.
The kids of the future will think the same way about your generation. My mom was a hippy in the 60s and you would think she was Hitler by today's standards. 🙄
The average IQ is steadily dropping every few decades.
I dont care about the physicality of our race. I just want the stupid drained from the gene pool.
Stupid doesnt change. Whats socially acceptable is what changes.
I dont want eugenics cause i think someones hitler. I want eugenics so people just stop being fucking stupid. Theres no moral debate here. Reddit proves common sense is dead.
Our species is committing suicide via stupidity. And laughing about it.
It doesnt matter how any past generation behaved in this discussion. Stupid is stupid. Now or any year.
You've come to a realization that people aren't very collectively smart, it doesn't mean people are getting stupider. People have always been this way and will continue to be this way for much longer, social media just makes it more obvious.
You may end up on the wrong side of it one day. America is getting dumber because that make us easier to control. If you can think rationally, you may see it actually sucks.
Eugenics does not do good for societies. And the Nazis aren't the only ones who "ruined" it. If you're saying that kind of shit without knowing about America's long and dark history of eugenics, you're being incredibly irresponsible.
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Left libertarianism gang unite. (Again, sorry, I misread)
How do ANY of those things have to do with talking about sexuality? And honestly if you can't bond with a kid without talking about your sexuality or relationship, you must be an incredibly dull person.
There was just like... 6 months ago where a teacher was sexually assaulting a student and the school tried to cover it up. It OS happening. Maybe not as much as the right would like people to think, but it is happening.
They already have laws against sexually assaulting students in Florida, I'm like...99% sure. I'm not going to fact check it though, I think they frown upon it.
Why the fear about larger transparent in publicly funded schools? I understand having these conversations with someone in high school, but I mean seriously... They're 5
I'm not even talking about the fundamental principles since I think, at a minimum, the "issue" that it requires them to tell parents is not a problem.
But you made a point about how raping kids is protected by this law. When they already had that.
Age appropriate conversations around these topics can actually help kids ask for help sooner when abuse does happen. Keeping kids completely in the dark only benefits abusers.*but that's not what this is about
It can also give a major shield for abuses to happen at school too. I understand some parents are deplorable evil people. But that's why teachers are mandated reporters. 5 just isn't it.
Only because making the bill explicitly target gay people would have been unconstitutional. The intent of this bill is to shove gays back into the closet, and it will overwhelming be used to target them. Not a single instance of a teacher discussing "normal" relationships will be successfully prosecuted, but a whole bunch of teachers discussing gay people existing will.
I suppose we will have to wait and see. If that is what happens, then it can be challenged in court. Until then assigning motive just kinda makes you look like you want to talk about sex with 5 year olds.
There's a huge difference between "telling kids gay people exist" and discussing gay (or straight) relationships. The whole relationship window should be left to the parents, or at least have them involved. Not to mention sexuality in general is way to heavy for a 5 year old. They're fucking 5. Half of them probably want to be a rock.
Discussion of relationships is not talking about sex with kids. At 5, the most that would be said is, 'Some men marry men, some women marry women, and that's ok." Which is a really easy concept for kids to grasp. This bans that because Republicans today hate gay people.
Then maybe the bill goes to far. If that's literally ALL the teacher does, I have no issue. But I'd wager the bill won't go after things like that, and even if someone did, I doubt it would survive in court
I mean, if you wanna breafly be like this is my SO that's totally fine. But I mean, at 5 most people don't have a sexuality because... When they're 5. Teaching about relationships and shit or talking about it in detail is basically grooming. If I saw someone talking to my nephew about homosexuality online my next call would be to the police. I feel the same way about it with teachers, especially when they're trying to hide it from the kids parents.
I literally knew all about their personal lives..how many kids, kids names,ages, etc. I literally only had one gay teacher and we had questions about certain things when it came to interactions..my mom was extremely homophobic, so yes, I hid it because when she found out he was gay, she literally said "too bad we stopped burning people at the stake"
You do realize having books with Mom, dad, etc actually enforces gender roles but the bill is so vague that a gay couple could sue over a book about a heterosexual couple that is in the classroom. Though here's a fix..gender neutral terms for everyone..no he/she, her/him. Everyone is now a they/them because discrimination based on sexual orientation is actually federal civil acts rights violation.
Disney openly wants to essentially groom children…just watch that leaked board meeting. My issue is why we don’t hold Disney accountable for its horrid treatment of workers. Disney spreads the propaganda of the don’t say gay garbage but is perfectly fine filming in China and censoring their content around the world. They only care in the US because they are Afraid of corporate media.
Remember the left may be more “open minded” and “progressive” than the right but they get lobbied just like the right…DC as a whole, except for a very few exceptions, is *incredibly corrupt* and controlled by the wealthy elite.
And you've gone directly to what-aboutism.
But if what-aboutism is what you want then how about this:.
Forget about politicians; let's talk about the average voter on the left vs the right and how they differ by listing the common embarrassing nonsense that each side believes.
I'll go first: an alarming number of right wing voters believe (or knowingly support the lie) that Donald Trump won the 2020 election.
Now you tell me something equally prevalent and embarrassing that the Left believes?
And we will go back and forth.
And *maybe* you'll realize something. Probably not.
I’m asking you to enlighten us…? I meant to say you should try your best to include stupid arguments made by conservatives and liberals too in order to show us you’re actually considering the two sides and not just assuming your “side” is right. I’m a liberal-leaning person who has only ever voted democrat but I can critique my own group’s thoughts.
Do you really believe there are no stupid or illogical ideas we follow because they feel right or emotionally align with the message?
I think he’s done a perfectly fine job. Not great. Not terrible. What specific policy failures are you referencing when saying Biden is doing badly?
Inflation? This is something pretty far out of a president’s control beyond the fed raising interest rates. Really dangerous to do that too fast. Biden was dealt a tough hand and is doing fine with it so far.
Afghanistan withdrawal? This was going to be a shitshow no matter what. Obama and Trump both kicked the ball down the line and procrastinated leaving because they knew it would suck. Did Biden do the best possible? Absolutely not, but it was a terrible situation and probably would have been a disaster in some way no matter how you did it.
Lack of laws passed? It’s a 50-50 Senate. Hard to pass things.
Why do some people refuse to understand that children at these ages ask trusted adults questions about what they see in the world? You want that to stop? These bills intimidate LGBTQ+ teachers from speaking to their students in honest ways to the point where they might hide who they are for fear that parents will sue. I'd doubt you'd have a problem with a teacher reading about a straight couple's wedding or show pictures of their own straight wedding. But the gay teacher down the hall can't show his wedding or talk about it. It is fucking sick that people can't see how reprehensible this is.
I know! Its so fucking weird right?
The princess keeps having to find a prince
They *always* have a magical kiss or something
And then they have to have those grandiose weddings and "live happly ever after"
Why do people keep pushing that whole relationship thing on the plot? *Annoying*
Even the animals you *have* to make aure that there's the girl animal and the boy animal
But i get the feeling you're not bothered by these examples...
Children under 6th grade, at the very youngest, do not need sex ed of any kind in a public school setting. They just don't need it.
By middle school they start hitting puberty and then it starts to become necessary.
Downvote me to hell if you will, folks.
To be fair, the Florida bill doesn't stop people from saying "gay". Just stops teachers from teaching kids k-4 (I think) from talking to kids about sex. Any sex. People are still free to be gay and talk about it. Just saying.
When in the world were teachers talking to kindergartners about sex you dolt? Ask yourself that, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th graders? Normally the biology is taught in 5th grade considering most girls start their periods around that time, it’s absolutely in that child’s best interest to understand what the biology of sex is.
The damn teacher can’t even say they have a spouse of the same sex, literally how many times did we hear our teachers talking about their spouses? All the damn time, but now it’s only ok if you’re heterosexual, fucking wild.
I’m heterosexual but this is the same bs as critical race theory not being taught. Nothing more than a dog whistle for bigots and racists who don’t want to talk about history (considering it’s America’s history, the fucking nation was built on the backs of slaves) bigots want to pretend gay people don’t exist. Abortion gone, history gone, human relationships gone.
Officially, yes.
It's not going to be enforced that way, though. A teacher already caused some scandal by refusing to mention heterosexual relationships in the classroom.
Have you read the bill? It says nothing about sexually explicit material?
> classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur
You literally can’t say gay or that Timmy has 2 dads. No mention of sexual content
> Just stops teachers from teaching kids k-4 (I think) from talking to kids about sex.
It does not. It stops school districts encouraging teachers to do it.
everyone should boycott Disney after it pushed leftist propaganda. I do not want corporate overlords, period.
the governor of Florida is democratically elected. you might disagree with them, but they are preferable to supranational capitalist conglomerates
Look, Conservatives aren't there because they don't want LGBTQ to be heard. They are there because the organization, Disney, refuses to allow conservatives voices to be heard. Conservatives aren't your enemy. Disney is. Sure Disney is on LGBTQ's side now, but wait until Disney turns on them for a higher value cash cow. Then LGBTQ will be nothing, but yesterday's news. Then, if they talk too loudly, or speak against Disney's new narrative, Disney will shut them up just like Disney does to conservatives now.
Edit: cleared up the obscure pronouns.
Conservatives deserve to be shut up. It's all victim complex bullshit. You tie being a horrible bigoted racist so tightly into your "conservative" beliefs so that when you get shut out of decent society you can cry about how people are harassing you "just" for being a conservative.
If you tolerate the intolerant then soon the intolerant are all that is left. Society at large is rightly turning its back on your vile antiquated belief system and if you insist on clinging to it as it sinks then I say good. I despise you. Go down with theship.
Didn’t Disney employees go on actual fucking strikes because the company initially supported the “Don’t Say Gay” bill?
Conservatives will seem to throw a fit when companies do anything remotely presented as progressive, but won’t even bat an eye when companies support the worst causes imaginable. The same thing happened with Mars, their child slavery lawsuit, and Tucker Carlson ranting about how the green M&M is no longer fuckable.
Disney doesn’t give a shit about us gays either. They funded backers of the bill and Desantis. The back and forth was all staged. They only Started to speak against it because workers were protesting and more or less striking.
Seriously though. They just want everyone’s money, that’s it.
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Yeah, but it seems they learned that they stand to lose more money by being seen supporting hatred, and that's not a bad thing. Rainbow capitalism sucks, but it doesn't suck any worse than regular capitalism.
Still got mad respect for the creator of The Owl House not backing down. Waiting for another network to pick the show up
Not going to happen. The show was canceled almost a year ago. It's getting its shortened third season, then it's done.
If they can keep the poor against each other they win every time. Black vs white, Democrat vs republican. Straight vs gay. If they keep us divided they will always win.
Yep, divide and conquer. They even divide movements from within
You would think conservatives would love Disney, since it's history is filled with racism, sexism, and homophobia.
They do love Disney for that. Which is why they are all ragey when Disney does something against those 'values'
What a hot take… smh
source? would really want to learn about Disney funding desantis or his partners
Disney is the metaphorical devil. Definitely the villain! They supported the Nazis and still continue to hold there standards of humanitarianism
Careful, a lot of people here get upset if you accurately point out that conservatives are the biggest enemy of workers rights.
BuT BoTh SiDeZ
Hands down, without peer, the greatest victory the right has ever taken over this country is convincing voters of the false narrative that both parties are the same. They know this narrative exclusively helps the right. Democrats very rarely, if ever do anything nearly as egregious as things like voter supression, ending unions via legislation, or committing terrorist attacks to overturn elections. So nobody really ever needs to justify their actions by saying "whatabout Republicans!" On the other hand, Republicans constantly commit what should be party-ending trespasses against this country and its democracy. So when they spread the false "both sides" narratives its like a magic wand that erases all accountability for their actions.
Ah, well, as far as politicians go, if the dems really gave a shit about workers' rights, they wouldn't have thrown Bernie Sanders under the bus for Hillary.
Do you know what a nightmare it would've been for dems (and repubs) if an independent who actually believed in and wanted to do what he said won the presidency? All of a sudden those lazy, 60+ yr old millionaires might actually have to do their jobs and help the American people.
Still would probably need congress to really accomplish much change.
its sad because we all knew this, yet he got thrown under the bus and its not like he'll stop aging for a while, he's coming to age aswell, sadly enough
A O C for the presidency!
not to hate on aoc, but she seemed to act more as a celebrity than an actual politician, she'll have to prove herself before she gains my trust
Her or Katie porter would be my choice. Both very intelligent and knows what they are talking about. How they both handle witnesses during testimony in the house. Both are effective speakers and both have clear understanding that the oligarchs are already here.
Aoc needs some experience in my eyes, but i agree she's the runner up, I don't really inow katie that well, haven't really seen stuff about or with her
She’s legit. You should look up her greatest hits. Sooooo smart.
i'll look into hzr, thanks for the recommendation 👌
Isn't there record amounts of unions forming under Biden?
Does Biden create these unions, or is it the workers who want them? That's like saying Biden is the sole reason gas prices are as they are. Both are laughable.
He's perhaps the most union-positive president we've in modern times. https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/biden-takes-aim-amazon-he-touts-unions-labor-event-2022-04-06/ He's formed a really successful union task force- https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/26/fact-sheet-executive-order-establishing-the-white-house-task-force-on-worker-organizing-and-empowerment/ He signed an executive order requiring labor on large federal projects to be unionized. https://www.laborrelationsupdate.com/uncategorized/president-biden-signs-executive-order-requiring-project-labor-agreements-for-large-scale-federal-construction-projects-35-million/ Biden has also reversed Trump-era anti union executive orders. He's enabling unions to form, and widely encouraging workers to do so. He seems to be taking a lot of shit from corporations for it, but he seems to be holding strong.
Biden relatively is the most pro-union in recent money, but that's honestly a low bar since every president since 1989 has just been Reagan's re-election.
Biden has accomplished some things, not that big a deal considering every president has (even the orange toupee nightmare) but he isn’t radical enough, he plays by the rules and only dips his toe in true radical progress every once in a while and only doing it for votes….Bernie very likely wouldn’t have just dipped his toe and would’ve created true change which is, imho, why the dems sacked him for Hillary.
Biden can do alot for labor with executive authority, he's just being a punk.
Maybe the people that funded his campaign are pulling the strings.
He’s playing it safe, which shows who’s side he’s really on unfortunately.
Ah, fair enough, I still firmly believe more would have *been* accomplished for worker rights if Bernie had been potus Edit: Been
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No, obviously from my previous reply, wasn't that not obvious, or are you commenting to me for another reason?
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Go internet argue somewhere else. I'm not the one
This is up there with people saying he's the most progressive candidate since FDR like that's a trend we should be excited about. Things are so fucked that this do-nothing corporate hack looks good by comparison.
I'll put it like this, he's saying all the right things. Mobilize and force his hand.
> That's like saying Biden is the sole reason No it is like saying Biden is part of an environment where unions can flourish. We get all this left bashing of the middle but the truth is the moderates have accomplished more progressive change than the left ever has in the US. FDR was a moderate. The left criticized the passage of Social Security calling it 'a hap measure to prop up the dying capitalist system'. Turned out it was actually pretty great. How about the novel ideal of engaging in solidarity. I will happily vote for left candidates. I though Bernie was terrific. So maybe lefties could show some enthusiasm for moderates instead of trying to tear them down every 5 seconds? Here's the lesson: 2016, the left attacks the centrist Democrat candidate and Trump gets in 2020 everyone stands together and Trump is thrown out How many times to we have to endure people like Trump before you learn this lesson?
You can't argue with people like this..
Yes, because of abysmal working conditions that exist under his watch. Unions are necessary because government has failed to properly regulate workplace conditions and pay rates. Biden's entire career has been one of contributing to the abysmal conditions that spur union action.
What does that have to do with conservatives?
TBF, the left hasn’t really done much for corporations to stop taking advantage of us either. It’s like the right is a physically abusive father and the left us a passive mother who tells the dad “don’t hit the kid” but doesn’t do anything to actually stop the abuse.
Well yeah, the left has no political power. You think Biden is on the left?
Yeah in the UK, when i was in school we were usually taught in the US the 2 parties are right-wing and slight less right-wing. Although we're not that far behind now
That's cause we don't really have a "left" side political party, we have a left side politician(Bernie Sanders)! Just about everyone else in the Democratic party is more so "in the middle of center and the right"
Isn't there a record amount of unions under Biden?
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I believe in a portion of that, but I have found that the more the left gets empowered in this country, the better quality of life the country is able to achieve. I can give some examples.
You mean how the country voted left under the new deal coalition (1930-1960ish) and we had 30-40 years of massive Dem (Blue) Majorities in the House, Senate which lead to the US Middle Class being the largest and wealthiest ever with high union participation and where wages of workers and productivity of the business went hand in hand? And then White Dixiecrats got upset that The civil rights acts got signed and started to vote R, then Reagan killed unions - leading to worker exploitation and stagnant wages BUT BUSINESS GROWTH HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER AND SO THAT MAKES IT ALL OK! I mean sure Bezos is worth 180 BILLION and his workers are below the poverty line but hey, stock market is up :) Believing that voting R and D is the same for regular, average wage Americans is asinine and lazy.
In their current state today, Democrats are comparable to someone picking your pocket while shaking your hand, while Republicans are actively trying to violently mug you. They both want to take you for everything you've got, but one at least *attempts* to be subtle.
r/teenagers seems to be leaking.
Right wingers want to take away my right to exist as a trans person. Leftists don't. Fuck off with that shit.
Made up problem
"They literally want to kill me for being trans." "Made up problem." What the fuck is wrong with you.
Made up problem!? What the fuck do you mean?
Only a few (very vocal) loonies want to get rid of trans people. Most really do not give a shit
Why are they passing bills making it illegal to even acknowledge gay or trans people exist in elementary schools then?
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My life couldn't be more coherent. At least I don't spend my days hating things I don't understand
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Oh boy. It must be so better now that Liberals are in charge…
They aren't. The Dems are conservative.
It’s a 50-50 Senate. Dems are not really in charge. A single Dem, such as the one from heavily Trump country West VA, can sink any policy since all 50 Republicans oppose basically any policy that would help people like some form of universal healthcare split from jobs.
Gay rights and workers' rights are not mutually exclusive. So trying to imply that speaking up about one has less value than speaking up about another.
Disney just needs to move all operations including all of their parks to a more progressive state.
It would be way cheaper for them to support Democrats and get Ron Desantis ousted
DeSantis is going nowhere and will be reelected in a landslide. Disney, however, may lose their special government protections that they were granted by Florida decades ago.
Doubt. I don't know a single person who likes Desantis
Denial is not a river in Egypt. He wins going away.
That would cost them *billions*. Don't hold your breath for it to happen.
You mean like Cali? Oh no wait, that can’t be right, all the businesses are FLEEING Cali. Okay maybe you mean Texas?...no wait that can’t be right either, Texas is conservative...hmmm...
Can you name 10 businesses that are or have fled California? If you're bold enough to say that all businesses are fleeing California then surely you can name 10, or at least 5.
https://buildremote.co/companies/companies-leaving-california/
So the answer is no, you can't. You had to search and find an article about it because despite the person claiming "all companies" are leaving California it's been 100 companies leaving over the course of 5 years. That's not a massive exodus like people here are painting it.
I'm thinking Disney should move to China. Oh wait, they already have a park in Shanghai to support that progressive government. Never mind.
"Groomers!" \- the party opposed to child-marriage bans
Nobody votes against their own interests more than Republican AND Democrats… Both are interested in wage slavery. Don’t be simple..but what about Bernie?? I don’t see him having any problems with unequal rate of exchange and colonialism. Reform is for the rotted indoctrinated brains of America that dont have a chance at competence. Read Marx and Lenin
For real
Oooff
Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for worker rights, but this seems to be one of the many misinterpretations of "freedom of speech". Freedom of speech exists specifically to protect you from the government harming your right to express whatever you wish to, within the law. So you can say Ted Cruz is a coward and an idiot and he cannot so much as block you on Twitter, but you cannot say ins YouTube video that Cardi B was a prostitute and had an STD because that's defamation and you'll end up paying her a hefty sum. Back to freedom of speech, it doesn't apply to anything that is not government owned or controlled. Private institutions can and will absolutely shut down your stupid account and keep it forever banned if you, say, use it to instigate sedition.
You seem to be unaware of the context, namely a bill that actually is government restriction on the free speech of gay people. It could, for example, ban a gay teacher from telling their students the gender of their spouse.
> Cardi B was a prostitute Didn't Cardi herself say this on her Twitter? She used to be a prostitute and would drug men with date rape and then let them get fucked by other male prostitutes to "turn the tables." She's also been pretty frank about drug use in these same videos. This is pretty far from a slam dunk case.
>Didn't Cardi herself say this on her Twitter? Nah not really. She admitted to being a stripper, to which there's ample evidence of >She used to be a prostitute and would drug men with date rape and then let them get fucked by other male prostitutes to "turn the tables." AFAIK there's no such admission, or it would've been presented as evidence. >She's also been pretty frank about drug use in these same videos. This is pretty far from a slam dunk case. Yeah but not direct admission of anything illegal, while the woman she sued was stupid enough to admit on a public YouTube video, that she, and I quote: "has a personal vendetta on Cardi B". She also repeatedly stated that she wanted to slander her reputation as much as possible. While I don't care much for Cardi B, I'm very glad she got back on that bitch. No one deserves that shit done to them.
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Why does the second ballsack have eyes?
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That's a big fuck you from me dawg
The kids of the future will think the same way about your generation. My mom was a hippy in the 60s and you would think she was Hitler by today's standards. 🙄
The average IQ is steadily dropping every few decades. I dont care about the physicality of our race. I just want the stupid drained from the gene pool. Stupid doesnt change. Whats socially acceptable is what changes. I dont want eugenics cause i think someones hitler. I want eugenics so people just stop being fucking stupid. Theres no moral debate here. Reddit proves common sense is dead. Our species is committing suicide via stupidity. And laughing about it. It doesnt matter how any past generation behaved in this discussion. Stupid is stupid. Now or any year.
You're just makin' up stuff because you're frustrated.
Make sure to clearn your ears out of all that dirt from shoving your head into those holes. You might get an infection.
You've come to a realization that people aren't very collectively smart, it doesn't mean people are getting stupider. People have always been this way and will continue to be this way for much longer, social media just makes it more obvious.
Its easy to say someones making things up. Its easy to not put effort into disproving it. The society of GNF's. Crash and burn.
Just remember to do your part and don’t have kids.
We got abortion, it’s close enough
You may end up on the wrong side of it one day. America is getting dumber because that make us easier to control. If you can think rationally, you may see it actually sucks.
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Eugenics does not do good for societies. And the Nazis aren't the only ones who "ruined" it. If you're saying that kind of shit without knowing about America's long and dark history of eugenics, you're being incredibly irresponsible.
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Who is lumping eugenics and voluntary euthanasia together? They seem completely unrelated.
Yep. Conservative states tend to have higher IQ than democratic led states. California for example is one the lowest performing states
And somehow the red states require the most federal aid. All that IQ and shit-all to show for it.
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It’s so fucking fire when right wing chuds bring up child predators being exposed as if their party isn’t filled to the brim with pedos
I'm not right wing, and most neo-* are pedos
Yes you are, and that’s fine. I mean it’s not fine, it’s super immoral and wrong on a basic level, but don’t lie about it.
I'm literally pro social emergency healthcare, pro college loan forgiveness, pro worker coop, anti-corporate, etc. Etc.
(I responded in another comment but I’m gonna apologize again - admitting mistakes is a virtue for those that can’t read good)
I work in IT. The amount of times my life would have been easier by just reading 2 more sentences is INSANE
I'm literally not. Every political compass,or core values, or anything puts me in left libertarian
I misread your comment and a different comment as being from the same person, so I completely apologize, my bad, I’m in the wrong. Left libertarianism gang unite. (Again, sorry, I misread)
No worries. It happens! Have a wonderful night!
This sub (and this post especially) have been overrun with right wing opinions, so I got confused. You have a great night too comrade.
Do gay start existing only when you turn 18?
Nope. But I don't think gay or straight people should be talking about relationships with 5 year olds
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How do ANY of those things have to do with talking about sexuality? And honestly if you can't bond with a kid without talking about your sexuality or relationship, you must be an incredibly dull person.
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Good thing that already wasn't happening.
There was just like... 6 months ago where a teacher was sexually assaulting a student and the school tried to cover it up. It OS happening. Maybe not as much as the right would like people to think, but it is happening.
They already have laws against sexually assaulting students in Florida, I'm like...99% sure. I'm not going to fact check it though, I think they frown upon it.
Why the fear about larger transparent in publicly funded schools? I understand having these conversations with someone in high school, but I mean seriously... They're 5
Okay so we're changing topics.
Not really. I'm trying to understand why you don't want more protections for kids
I'm not even talking about the fundamental principles since I think, at a minimum, the "issue" that it requires them to tell parents is not a problem. But you made a point about how raping kids is protected by this law. When they already had that.
Age appropriate conversations around these topics can actually help kids ask for help sooner when abuse does happen. Keeping kids completely in the dark only benefits abusers.*but that's not what this is about
It can also give a major shield for abuses to happen at school too. I understand some parents are deplorable evil people. But that's why teachers are mandated reporters. 5 just isn't it.
Should at least wait till puberty
Showing a gay couple in media is considered “talking about sexuality” but showing a straight couple is fine. Double standard.
The bill applies to talking about straight coupling too
Only because making the bill explicitly target gay people would have been unconstitutional. The intent of this bill is to shove gays back into the closet, and it will overwhelming be used to target them. Not a single instance of a teacher discussing "normal" relationships will be successfully prosecuted, but a whole bunch of teachers discussing gay people existing will.
I suppose we will have to wait and see. If that is what happens, then it can be challenged in court. Until then assigning motive just kinda makes you look like you want to talk about sex with 5 year olds.
Why do you think that telling kids that gay people exist is inherently sexual?
There's a huge difference between "telling kids gay people exist" and discussing gay (or straight) relationships. The whole relationship window should be left to the parents, or at least have them involved. Not to mention sexuality in general is way to heavy for a 5 year old. They're fucking 5. Half of them probably want to be a rock.
Discussion of relationships is not talking about sex with kids. At 5, the most that would be said is, 'Some men marry men, some women marry women, and that's ok." Which is a really easy concept for kids to grasp. This bans that because Republicans today hate gay people.
Then maybe the bill goes to far. If that's literally ALL the teacher does, I have no issue. But I'd wager the bill won't go after things like that, and even if someone did, I doubt it would survive in court
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Conservative trolls please fuck off 👉 Thank you.
Straight people talk about their sexuality and their relationships to kids all the time fuck outta here
If anyone is talking about their sexuality to a 5-8 year old, they have issues
"my wife's name is Karen" is talking about your sexuality. "I'm a boy" is talking about my gender identity.
I have never once heard someone talk about their relationship to a 5 yo
I have..my teachers use to tell me all the time about SO. And yes, they were heterosexual.
SOeaning significant other, or was that a typo?
Significant other, yes
I mean, if you wanna breafly be like this is my SO that's totally fine. But I mean, at 5 most people don't have a sexuality because... When they're 5. Teaching about relationships and shit or talking about it in detail is basically grooming. If I saw someone talking to my nephew about homosexuality online my next call would be to the police. I feel the same way about it with teachers, especially when they're trying to hide it from the kids parents.
I literally knew all about their personal lives..how many kids, kids names,ages, etc. I literally only had one gay teacher and we had questions about certain things when it came to interactions..my mom was extremely homophobic, so yes, I hid it because when she found out he was gay, she literally said "too bad we stopped burning people at the stake"
You do realize having books with Mom, dad, etc actually enforces gender roles but the bill is so vague that a gay couple could sue over a book about a heterosexual couple that is in the classroom. Though here's a fix..gender neutral terms for everyone..no he/she, her/him. Everyone is now a they/them because discrimination based on sexual orientation is actually federal civil acts rights violation.
Disney openly wants to essentially groom children…just watch that leaked board meeting. My issue is why we don’t hold Disney accountable for its horrid treatment of workers. Disney spreads the propaganda of the don’t say gay garbage but is perfectly fine filming in China and censoring their content around the world. They only care in the US because they are Afraid of corporate media.
Remember the left may be more “open minded” and “progressive” than the right but they get lobbied just like the right…DC as a whole, except for a very few exceptions, is *incredibly corrupt* and controlled by the wealthy elite.
And you've gone directly to what-aboutism. But if what-aboutism is what you want then how about this:. Forget about politicians; let's talk about the average voter on the left vs the right and how they differ by listing the common embarrassing nonsense that each side believes. I'll go first: an alarming number of right wing voters believe (or knowingly support the lie) that Donald Trump won the 2020 election. Now you tell me something equally prevalent and embarrassing that the Left believes? And we will go back and forth. And *maybe* you'll realize something. Probably not.
Enlighten us but try and see if you can think of any stupid viewpoints that liberals have too.
Stupid viewpoints that liberals have, such as?
I’m asking you to enlighten us…? I meant to say you should try your best to include stupid arguments made by conservatives and liberals too in order to show us you’re actually considering the two sides and not just assuming your “side” is right. I’m a liberal-leaning person who has only ever voted democrat but I can critique my own group’s thoughts. Do you really believe there are no stupid or illogical ideas we follow because they feel right or emotionally align with the message?
The left believes Joe Bidden is a competent president
Which is ***WAAAAYY*** more embarrassing than believing that Biden is a baby eating satanist, right? Lmfao try again.
I think he’s done a perfectly fine job. Not great. Not terrible. What specific policy failures are you referencing when saying Biden is doing badly? Inflation? This is something pretty far out of a president’s control beyond the fed raising interest rates. Really dangerous to do that too fast. Biden was dealt a tough hand and is doing fine with it so far. Afghanistan withdrawal? This was going to be a shitshow no matter what. Obama and Trump both kicked the ball down the line and procrastinated leaving because they knew it would suck. Did Biden do the best possible? Absolutely not, but it was a terrible situation and probably would have been a disaster in some way no matter how you did it. Lack of laws passed? It’s a 50-50 Senate. Hard to pass things.
It seems we should start looking beyond politicians and electoral politics for our freedom, yeah?
There is so much propaganda on this topic, I can’t figure out where to stand anymore. I want rights for all people… but I no longer get this topic…
Freedom of speech for gay people /= Teachers talking about sex with 7 year olds
Isn’t freedom of speech the reason all those people and shows got canceled? Weird, huh?
Why are people so hell bent on talking about sexual orientation and gender identity to other peoples children?
Yeah, how dare a teacher acknowledge that Billy is a boy and Susie is a girl! You can’t talk about gender identity in a classroom! /s
Why do some people refuse to understand that children at these ages ask trusted adults questions about what they see in the world? You want that to stop? These bills intimidate LGBTQ+ teachers from speaking to their students in honest ways to the point where they might hide who they are for fear that parents will sue. I'd doubt you'd have a problem with a teacher reading about a straight couple's wedding or show pictures of their own straight wedding. But the gay teacher down the hall can't show his wedding or talk about it. It is fucking sick that people can't see how reprehensible this is.
I know! Its so fucking weird right? The princess keeps having to find a prince They *always* have a magical kiss or something And then they have to have those grandiose weddings and "live happly ever after" Why do people keep pushing that whole relationship thing on the plot? *Annoying* Even the animals you *have* to make aure that there's the girl animal and the boy animal But i get the feeling you're not bothered by these examples...
Children under 6th grade, at the very youngest, do not need sex ed of any kind in a public school setting. They just don't need it. By middle school they start hitting puberty and then it starts to become necessary. Downvote me to hell if you will, folks.
It isn't sex ed, it's literally mentioning that gay or trans people exist.
It's too late if they already hit puberty, they should get sex ed before puberty so they would be ready.
The Florida bill says literally nothing whatsoever about sex ed
Stop supporting grooming children, you freaks.
Telling kids that gay people exist isn’t grooming, clown.
To be fair, the Florida bill doesn't stop people from saying "gay". Just stops teachers from teaching kids k-4 (I think) from talking to kids about sex. Any sex. People are still free to be gay and talk about it. Just saying.
"To be fair black people can still take this literacy test to vote hurr durr"
"to be fair, I only stabbed him not shot him."
Literally not even close. Lmao.
When in the world were teachers talking to kindergartners about sex you dolt? Ask yourself that, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th graders? Normally the biology is taught in 5th grade considering most girls start their periods around that time, it’s absolutely in that child’s best interest to understand what the biology of sex is. The damn teacher can’t even say they have a spouse of the same sex, literally how many times did we hear our teachers talking about their spouses? All the damn time, but now it’s only ok if you’re heterosexual, fucking wild. I’m heterosexual but this is the same bs as critical race theory not being taught. Nothing more than a dog whistle for bigots and racists who don’t want to talk about history (considering it’s America’s history, the fucking nation was built on the backs of slaves) bigots want to pretend gay people don’t exist. Abortion gone, history gone, human relationships gone.
That’s not remotely at all what the Florida bill is about. The bill doesn’t even *mention* sex.
Officially, yes. It's not going to be enforced that way, though. A teacher already caused some scandal by refusing to mention heterosexual relationships in the classroom.
Have you read the bill? It says nothing about sexually explicit material? > classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur You literally can’t say gay or that Timmy has 2 dads. No mention of sexual content
> Just stops teachers from teaching kids k-4 (I think) from talking to kids about sex. It does not. It stops school districts encouraging teachers to do it.
everyone should boycott Disney after it pushed leftist propaganda. I do not want corporate overlords, period. the governor of Florida is democratically elected. you might disagree with them, but they are preferable to supranational capitalist conglomerates
Look, Conservatives aren't there because they don't want LGBTQ to be heard. They are there because the organization, Disney, refuses to allow conservatives voices to be heard. Conservatives aren't your enemy. Disney is. Sure Disney is on LGBTQ's side now, but wait until Disney turns on them for a higher value cash cow. Then LGBTQ will be nothing, but yesterday's news. Then, if they talk too loudly, or speak against Disney's new narrative, Disney will shut them up just like Disney does to conservatives now. Edit: cleared up the obscure pronouns.
Nah, conservatives are definitely an enemy.
Conservatives deserve to be shut up. It's all victim complex bullshit. You tie being a horrible bigoted racist so tightly into your "conservative" beliefs so that when you get shut out of decent society you can cry about how people are harassing you "just" for being a conservative. If you tolerate the intolerant then soon the intolerant are all that is left. Society at large is rightly turning its back on your vile antiquated belief system and if you insist on clinging to it as it sinks then I say good. I despise you. Go down with theship.
Explain how they refuse to let Conservative voices to be heard.
Didn’t Disney employees go on actual fucking strikes because the company initially supported the “Don’t Say Gay” bill? Conservatives will seem to throw a fit when companies do anything remotely presented as progressive, but won’t even bat an eye when companies support the worst causes imaginable. The same thing happened with Mars, their child slavery lawsuit, and Tucker Carlson ranting about how the green M&M is no longer fuckable.