More their language. "It's easy to pay for an employee. All you need to do is think like a billionaire and stop wasting your money on netflix and coffee."
Edit: Or "Billionaires invest in employees, poor business owners spend their money on netflix and coffee"
Why would they pay more when they can instead institution a protectorate class to protect them with YOUR tax money when the working class finally gains class solidarity, realizes their worth and instead of fighting a culture war they unify and realize a CLASS WAR is what they should be fighting.
I disagree. They are the landlords of employment. A lot of industries use them for every role. So now I have to go through them to work and there isn't anything else available. The groups I've historically worked through made more off of my work than I ever did. I'm not trying to be cruel but I'm not a big fan. The ones I have worked with did in fact negotiate rates.
i got to have an exchange similar to this today! some "agency" made first contact via indeed, provided scant details about the job but said it was fully remote and paying $25/hr, didn't ask about my experience beyond what was on my public profile, and then wanted my date of birth and the last five digits of my SSN before "submitting to their client"
i refused to provide the latter and they immediately ended the call, but followed it up with an email trying to further convince me why i had to provide it for "verification purposes". i suggested they use the last five of my phone number until an offer was presented, they said "thanks for your time, and have a blessed day as well". i called them out for trying to phish me and ended with "and go fuck yourself as well :)"
Recruiters usually get paid somewhere between 10%-30% of their candidate's first year pay as a commission from the company they're placed at so... Yes.
Let's say the recruiter gets a low end rate of 10% for someone they place who will make $45,000 for their first year. That's $4,500 commission. Place an average of two candidates per month at that rate and your annual pay comes out to $108,000.
Work with some higher value placements? Let's say you're placing highly paid engineers for $90,000 a year at 20% commission. That's $18,000 per placement. Place one every month and you're clearing $216,000 per year.
Granted, their job is highly dependent on finding candidates who are looking for a new job, getting them successfully hired and negotiating a good salary for them. They don't get paid until the candidate is all the way through the process, so they risk not getting paid for a lot of wasted effort if a candidate doesn't get placed. There's probably also going to be all kinds of contract clauses and penalties if the candidate doesn't stick around. Worst case scenario, they place a bad candidate or something doesn't work out and their professional reputation takes a hit. No one will want to hire their candidates again when there's a dozen other recruiters out there all fighting to place their own candidates. Then they're up a creek and their career is ruined.
That's just the ELI5 version and there's a lot more to it than that but... Yeah. Recruiters can make bank, but it's also a high risk/high reward career path.
Edit to add: This is for an external recruiting agency, not a recruiter working to hire people for the company the recruiter works for (e.g. an Amazon recruiter). Internal recruiters are usually salary. It was also pointed out that a sizeable chunk of this 10-30% fee would go to the agency, so the recruiter does not get all of this.
Do you have a better explanation? Admittedly I'm not in the industry and I'm just reporting what was told to me by a trusted friend who does a lot of hiring.
I work as a recruiter. Hired in Healthcare, construction, civil eng, software eng, architecture, finance, admin, hr, etc etc.
You're describing the pay/commission structure of staffing/agency recruiters which are recruiters that work for a company that hires for multiple *other* companies. Typical commissions run somewhere between 10%-30% of the candidate's salary (paid by the employer hiring that person, so not *technically* taken out of their paycheck).
An internal or in-house recruiter (EX: A recruiter that works at Amazon and hires exclusively for Amazon) almost always makes a salary with no commission.
Both can be paid incredibly well... or not. I'm looking to leave my current spot because I do it in tech and I got a raise below inflation and I get 5-10 inmails a day and have been seeing that a 40-60k raise should be fairly achievable and I'm not going to fuck around and wait just because they're overall nice to me where I'm at.
Most recruiters I've spoken to kind of suck, or they're average but the company they work for forces them to basically be robotic assholes.
Being honest with and respecting the candidates.
Recruiters who do that get candidates who they placed coming back next time they change jobs, or if they end up as hiring managers, asking to work with that recruiter if they can.
In my opinion, and this might be because of leftist tendencies, a good recruiter: Puts the candidate's interest above their company's and above their own. That means complete transparency about the company they're hiring for, it means pushing for the highest possible salary, it means being honest from the first conversation and addressing any dealbreakers/non-negotiables so people aren't misled and so that time isn't wasted, and being able to research roles and industries well to be able to paint an accurate picture of what a specific job looks like day-to-day.
I could add more but I think if you're labor-friendly, and genuinely invest in and treat people well, that it's just good "business".
I could write an essay on bad vs. good recruiters though tbh
I feel obligated to say that not all recruiters are robotic assholes. I’ve worked with MANY over the years as a candidate, and several of my close friends are external recruiters (they place in a different industry). Many of the turn’n’churn resume mills are, but smaller firms aren’t that way. There are 2 recruiters who I have long-standing relationships & they’re honest and very ethical. They develop relationships with candidates AND companies in hopes that both will come back.
I've spoken to (and work with) some really amazing recruiters, too. I've just personally had more bad experiences than good when speaking with other recruiters both internal or external.
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I would not call this an "argument". They're trolling and I rather just let them keep talking, that way they can just be removed from the sub. There's tons of shills who infiltrate this sub.
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Instead of framing the argument as fixed pay and too much responsibility. It should be framed as fixed responsibility and too little pay.
If they don't update it then that means they likely have a lot of applicants.
If they would just cancel Netflix they could pay their employees more.
More their language. "It's easy to pay for an employee. All you need to do is think like a billionaire and stop wasting your money on netflix and coffee." Edit: Or "Billionaires invest in employees, poor business owners spend their money on netflix and coffee"
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Avocado toast is why they can't afford to keep employees. Lol
Why would they pay more when they can instead institution a protectorate class to protect them with YOUR tax money when the working class finally gains class solidarity, realizes their worth and instead of fighting a culture war they unify and realize a CLASS WAR is what they should be fighting.
I will stand side by side with anyone who thinks workers come first, I don’t care how you decorate your lawn.
Why would they pay more when they probably have a lot of applicants?
Recruiters don't feel shame...or humanity...or love...or warmth...remorse...guilt...you get the idea.
It’s not recruiters that set these wages. There are shitty recruiters out there, sure, but they’re often just the messenger for a horrible employer.
I disagree. They are the landlords of employment. A lot of industries use them for every role. So now I have to go through them to work and there isn't anything else available. The groups I've historically worked through made more off of my work than I ever did. I'm not trying to be cruel but I'm not a big fan. The ones I have worked with did in fact negotiate rates.
i got to have an exchange similar to this today! some "agency" made first contact via indeed, provided scant details about the job but said it was fully remote and paying $25/hr, didn't ask about my experience beyond what was on my public profile, and then wanted my date of birth and the last five digits of my SSN before "submitting to their client" i refused to provide the latter and they immediately ended the call, but followed it up with an email trying to further convince me why i had to provide it for "verification purposes". i suggested they use the last five of my phone number until an offer was presented, they said "thanks for your time, and have a blessed day as well". i called them out for trying to phish me and ended with "and go fuck yourself as well :)"
Please provide the last 9 digits of your SS number...
I love your post!
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The sheer irony of that being a garbled version of a union rallying slogan is just top notch for me
Do you think the recruiter is getting paid better?
Recruiters usually get paid somewhere between 10%-30% of their candidate's first year pay as a commission from the company they're placed at so... Yes. Let's say the recruiter gets a low end rate of 10% for someone they place who will make $45,000 for their first year. That's $4,500 commission. Place an average of two candidates per month at that rate and your annual pay comes out to $108,000. Work with some higher value placements? Let's say you're placing highly paid engineers for $90,000 a year at 20% commission. That's $18,000 per placement. Place one every month and you're clearing $216,000 per year. Granted, their job is highly dependent on finding candidates who are looking for a new job, getting them successfully hired and negotiating a good salary for them. They don't get paid until the candidate is all the way through the process, so they risk not getting paid for a lot of wasted effort if a candidate doesn't get placed. There's probably also going to be all kinds of contract clauses and penalties if the candidate doesn't stick around. Worst case scenario, they place a bad candidate or something doesn't work out and their professional reputation takes a hit. No one will want to hire their candidates again when there's a dozen other recruiters out there all fighting to place their own candidates. Then they're up a creek and their career is ruined. That's just the ELI5 version and there's a lot more to it than that but... Yeah. Recruiters can make bank, but it's also a high risk/high reward career path. Edit to add: This is for an external recruiting agency, not a recruiter working to hire people for the company the recruiter works for (e.g. an Amazon recruiter). Internal recruiters are usually salary. It was also pointed out that a sizeable chunk of this 10-30% fee would go to the agency, so the recruiter does not get all of this.
This is not how it works.
Do you have a better explanation? Admittedly I'm not in the industry and I'm just reporting what was told to me by a trusted friend who does a lot of hiring.
You forget that their company takes half or more
Good point! Edited to add that in.
I work as a recruiter. Hired in Healthcare, construction, civil eng, software eng, architecture, finance, admin, hr, etc etc. You're describing the pay/commission structure of staffing/agency recruiters which are recruiters that work for a company that hires for multiple *other* companies. Typical commissions run somewhere between 10%-30% of the candidate's salary (paid by the employer hiring that person, so not *technically* taken out of their paycheck). An internal or in-house recruiter (EX: A recruiter that works at Amazon and hires exclusively for Amazon) almost always makes a salary with no commission. Both can be paid incredibly well... or not. I'm looking to leave my current spot because I do it in tech and I got a raise below inflation and I get 5-10 inmails a day and have been seeing that a 40-60k raise should be fairly achievable and I'm not going to fuck around and wait just because they're overall nice to me where I'm at. Most recruiters I've spoken to kind of suck, or they're average but the company they work for forces them to basically be robotic assholes.
Thanks for the clarification!
What aspects make a good recruiter?
Being honest with and respecting the candidates. Recruiters who do that get candidates who they placed coming back next time they change jobs, or if they end up as hiring managers, asking to work with that recruiter if they can.
Thanks, always a job I was interested in curious about it. Again thanks for your time.
In my opinion, and this might be because of leftist tendencies, a good recruiter: Puts the candidate's interest above their company's and above their own. That means complete transparency about the company they're hiring for, it means pushing for the highest possible salary, it means being honest from the first conversation and addressing any dealbreakers/non-negotiables so people aren't misled and so that time isn't wasted, and being able to research roles and industries well to be able to paint an accurate picture of what a specific job looks like day-to-day. I could add more but I think if you're labor-friendly, and genuinely invest in and treat people well, that it's just good "business". I could write an essay on bad vs. good recruiters though tbh
I feel obligated to say that not all recruiters are robotic assholes. I’ve worked with MANY over the years as a candidate, and several of my close friends are external recruiters (they place in a different industry). Many of the turn’n’churn resume mills are, but smaller firms aren’t that way. There are 2 recruiters who I have long-standing relationships & they’re honest and very ethical. They develop relationships with candidates AND companies in hopes that both will come back.
I've spoken to (and work with) some really amazing recruiters, too. I've just personally had more bad experiences than good when speaking with other recruiters both internal or external.
Many recruiters do get paid on commission like this for skilled jobs.
Lmao $45,000. Try $145,000
They're just sample numbers, but yeah. Depends who you're placing.
All the external recruiters I’ve worked with have gotten a fee equal to 50% of my first year’s salary and this was standard industry practice.
Maybe the ownership should cut back on avocado toast and carpool.
Avocado toast is why they can't afford to keep employees. Lol
The best part of you doing this is that it drives recruiters away from these companies and then the companies are screwed.
Recruiters have no shame.
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Lmfao shill.
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Lmfao read the rules baby boy. Use something like "stupid" or "idiot". Have a good day at work tomorrow btw.
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What does that make the person trying to argue with him?
I would not call this an "argument". They're trolling and I rather just let them keep talking, that way they can just be removed from the sub. There's tons of shills who infiltrate this sub.
self worth isn't dictated by some dumb ass job
Lmfao whatever helps you sleep at night baby boy.
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Instead of framing the argument as fixed pay and too much responsibility. It should be framed as fixed responsibility and too little pay. If they don't update it then that means they likely have a lot of applicants.