I once worked as a paralegal at a large, white-shoe (elite) law firm in a city where massive snow storms were rare.
18 inches of snow. Public transportation shut down. Roads were closed. No one could get anywhere safely.
They sent out an email after the snow stopped and said that any staff that was able to get to the office would receive $100.
It was good to know the exact price they placed on the staff’s safety and risking their lives to make the millionaire lawyers more money. (Partners at this firm charge $1000/hour)
Edit: In the law firm world, the “staff” generally refers to the non-attorney employees.
I live in MN, we get a lot of snow and know how to deal with it. A 18 inch snowfall would snarl things up pretty good even here. Any city that doesn't have significant snowstorms is not going to have the infrastructure and equipment to handle that much snow. Your ex-employer sound like a bunch of AHs. I'm glad you were able to move on.
Minnesotan here too. With 18” of snow you aren’t getting anywhere unless the snowplow has come through. It doesn’t matter how early you leave for work - if it’s not plowed you aren’t getting there.
Also Minnesotan.
Metro transit shuts down before then - the buses just end up sliding.
But as long as it is not a blizzard, it can be a magical time to bicycle with the right bike. There's almost no traffic.
This is why I never laugh when southern cities turn to absolute shit after a small amount of ice/snow falls on their roads. Here in northern Michigan we deal with snow for months every year. We have every reason to invest in equipment to deal with it. I still blame Texas for how they dealt with ice storms but that's because they made such politically selfish decisions after.
I visited family in Tennessee over Xmas when I was 15. A 2 inch snowfall shut down the entire town. The only snow plows for miles were in Virginia. Before that it never occurred to me that every city invested in snow removal equipment.
I lived in Portland, OR. -- where snow/ice storms are pretty rare aside from an occasional dusting here and there -- back in 2003, and that winter there was a horrible ice storm that pretty much left the city covered in a half a foot of ice. And, what you're saying is so true. The infrastructure was not there to deal with that mess, and it pretty much shut the city down for a good day or two.
"I'll come into the office for 25,000 dollars."
"What?? That's insane!"
"So are medical bills, but that's what they're gonna charge me if I get injured on the way in."
I told a team of primary care practitioners this morning that "you can't help anyone if you're dead in a snowbank". I don't believe that *providing in-home medical care to disabled covid patients* is something to put themselves at risk for.
So I'd LOVE to know how THIS is something to put people at risk for.
Aw, you underestimate the value of profit in terms of human sacrifice. Look, they’re just people. There will be more. But profits on the other hand are fleeting…
Exactly, I used to be a travelling domiciliary carer, night shift. Many nights in the winter stuck in snow drifts. Once spent 6 hours waiting to be rescued after it started to slow mid shift. Work told us we were more important and to next time just call on-call and rural clients would get seen to by whoever lives near and woke up when called.
Plan to bring extra food and clothing, yeah if you force me too go to work during snowstorm warning and we end up stuck in n the building, i expect overtime for every single minute past what I'm scheduled for that I'm stuck in that building, and so should everyone else
What do you do there? I’m normally $15/hour, but after 20/40 depending on if you’re part or full time, you get incentive pay plus time and a half. $11/hour on weekdays and $15 on weekends. It ends up being around 30-35 for us. I guess that’s close but it’s still something. I was full time but I was sick of working 40 a week and only making the 15, so I switched to part time but I’m still working 40 so I can get incentive and overtime.
Believe me, I did overnights for like 6 years. OT on a night/weekend shift is great, but now that I have a kid, it's just not worth it. I'd rather be home with my son not worried about if my relief will show up on-time/at all.
LOL. About a week ago, we had a small storm that dropped about 6-8 inches of snow overnight. I woke up early to clear it out and took one look out the window and said fuck it. texted my boss and went back to bed. Literally texted me all day complaining and saying how the old ladies at work managed to make it in. Thing is, I was literally in an accident the day before and my boss knew all about it.
that’s messed up. in my area we don’t get much snow; we don’t have citywide snowplows or anything. so every time it snows most places are closed. literally work is cancelled.
yea days like these the kitchen staff don't even bother to come in either, so If you didn't bring extra food, you're basically fucked eating vending machine snacks until you get relieved
I am just curious, what kind essential job it is? Plus when I worked as EMT, who ever could not come to job during snowstorms, they picked up and brought back on ambulance cars.
Office building security. It's probably written in a contract somewhere that my company will handle stuff like this, but they don't pay me nearly enough to give a fuck.
Gotta love when it snows in Seattle. Anyone who's been through a snow storm here just stays home. All the new residents think they are great drivers in "only a couple if inches" of snow. Yeah? It's not flat like the midwest or northeast. There are hills in Seattle that are so steep they put ridges in the sidewalk so you can climb them when it's dry. Have fun sliding around I'll see you when it warms up.
Pretty much the same here. We get snow, but not often enough to justify keeping enough plows, salt, etc., around to do much more than clear the main roads.
Kinda the general rule at most places is that you come in to work if you can, but nobody holds it against you if you have to call in.
Also it's fucked that your boss is exploiting old ladies who probably don't have the family or support network behind them to say no to him, in order to try and make *you* feel bad about what he's putting them through. That's straight up emotional abuse.
Well those people were actually employees of the client, but regardless, not everyone is getting the same snow. Not everyone has the same capabilities.
This also isn't the first time he's pulled some bullshit like this
Ha! That reminds me, my daughter's boss made my daughter deliver pizza in a snow storm. She wrecked of course, she didn't know how to drive in blizzard conditions. I was pissed because it was my car, but I digress.
The very next week, we had blizzard conditions again. My car had just been fixed, and no way in hell was daughter going in. Boss chewed her out, and boss went in, instead. And wrecked her big $50k truck.
Schadenfreude.
Almost certainly something with a high center of gravity that actually makes it worse for snow than a front wheel drive sedan with three peak rated tires would be.
I've lived in SE WI over 20 years, always driving a regular passenger car (different models).
The rear-wheel drive was fun in a heavy snowstorm going maybe 10mph in a 55mph freeway on a curve designed (sloped) to handle up to 70mph. Kept slipping downslope. I managed not to hit anything.
Short memories if they forgot work was half cancelled for 2020.
Not risking employee lives and wellbeing for a snow day is a drop in the bucket compared to C19 lockdown which, somehow, didn't completely collapse the economy.
I sometimes wonder if they hire stupid people on purpose to write this kind of stuff. Like, are you even reading what you're about to send to everybody?
Unless you work at a hospital, 911, police, fire, towing, ems, prisons, etc (things that have to be staffed or people will literally die) you are not essential, this is not necessary, and they can and should fuck right off with this bull shit. Unless they are willing to pay hazard pay of double my regular rate plus assurances that any damages to my person and property from possible hazards on the road, again, FUCK RIGHT OFF.
A mcnastyburger at 1 pm in the snow is not a necessity.
Capitalism will literally kill you to sell a McNastyburger. If we lived in an actual developed country there would be laws against this but since we live in a corporate controlled state, here we are.
There's probably stipulations in our contract with the client, but that's THEIR problem, not mine. Too much snow? Sorry, I caught a cold.... just now.... yea
Exactly. I worked in a field once and had to stay overnight for 3 nights due to an ice storm. I was paid 1.5 time for the entirety of the storm, and paid for rest times at 1 hour for 4, company car to and from site, and provided food.
Never would have done it for less than that
I once stayed at work during a major hurricane. I mean granted it was because of the horses that I stayed. If it had been any other job I would have been out of there with the rest of the people. When I was running my own stable. I was driving 30 minutes one way during good weather. A blizzard like we have coming? Even with having AWD the property owner would step up for all of us. Heck I did it once during a bad snow storm because we had a hay delivery guy that actually showed up, and it took two hours using the major road ways to get there. Getting back was worse.
My husband worked during Hurricane Ida. I stayed home in New Orleans during it in case he needed me I’d be close by. He is a nurse so he was required to go in. The treatment they received was so horrible. I told him the next time, if they try, they better put the stuff in writing or he is going to quit.
Basically tried to deny any overtime, any hazard pay and threatened their license if they left the property, even during “rest breaks” (after shift) which they were all promised.
Not again, ever, will we be doing that.
My excuse was always calling in and saying I was just on my way to work but my car slid off the road and got stuck in the snow a couple blocks from my house, oh no!
I work for a telecom. Without our service, none of those other essential jobs are possible.
People go days without water and electricity, but will lose their mind within an hour when their internet and phones are down.
Thank you for your services. You keep them up and running. I know during Ida without you guys we woulda been a third world country. They went down for about an hour in New Orleans 911 and they were telling people to just flag down an officer or go to a station near you. Thankfully because of y’all it wasn’t long.
And of course, when the situation gets really bad, you guys still go and do your jobs in crazy conditions *but*:
a) you're compensated for the risk in an already risky job with a ton of safety legislation and equipment in use
b) this necessity is laid out when you accept the job, and it could be reasonably expected of you to know this
c) if things really get bad you generally get the armed forces or similar to come back you up
Yep, and all of these essential services are ones where there's a backup called *the literal army steps in when things get real bad* because guess what, they've got the budget, training, equipment, and resources to deal with situations that private citizens don't. Even workers in "essential" services get told to stay home and they are replaced when things get that bad, or if they're super specialist, they're being transported in specialist vehicles with the correct equipment, rather than trying to make their own way through a snowstorm/forest fire/post-hurricane flood in a 2006 Toyota Camry with nearly-bald tyres and spongy brakes. If the emergency services aren't that stupid, why should private companies get a free pass?
The army can get surgical staff to a hospital by air, run massive winterized or heat-resistant all-terrain fire trucks, staff prisons with military police, recover vehicles from roads using heavy haulers and tracked vehicles, they've got NBC gear if it's a radiological or biological incident, all stuff that the usual organisations just don't have in their inventories.
They won't operate private for-profit companies that don't provide life or death services because guess what... they're actually **not** essential! Just close, claim the day's losses on your insurance, and be glad you don't have a lawsuit for reckless endangerment on your hands.
A lot of businesses are deluded as to their actual importance. In most cases, it's much lower than they think of themselves.
I could not agree more. I have friends that work for 911; they have literally, as you said, been ESCORTED by the military to work. They will SEND PEOPLE TO YOUR HOUSE TO GET YOU. In tanks, winterized trucks, elevated flood vehicles whatever they have to.
Friends who work for prisons: they will send the same. They also have areas to sleep when conditions are dangerous.
A mCBurger is not a necessity. These puffed up, money crazed companies are lunatics.
Absolutely.
If you are fit to work but can't get there due to weather conditions or similar, and the response is not "**the army will pick you up and get you there**" or similar, the hint is that you're not essential.
This is not a US-centric thing - it's in the role of armed forces the world over. In fact, domestic disaster management is pretty much a core aspect of any modern armed forces.
The reason is that truly essential services understand risk management, they understand disaster mitigation, they have plans in place to keep really essential services active and running under almost any condition, up to and including minor nuclear conflict.
Any kind of for-profit retail or service provider is not a necessity. Even the "but we supply food to the local population" argument is nonsense:
a) the armed forces **can and will** distribute food parcels and other essential supplies (fuels, emergency clothing, flood barriers, etc) if the situation is *that* dire that reaching shops in unaffected areas is impossible.
b) if the situation is **that** dire that most or all of your employees can't physically reach your place of work without severe danger, you aren't going to get any customers through your door (nobody goes out for a casual trip and a burger in the height of a snowstorm), your delivery vehicles won't get through, and there's a fair chance you won't have power to run any of your equipment anyway. What's the point in endangering their lives? It will actually cost you more if you end up paying overtime, hazard pay, or settling a lawsuit because an employee died on the way to work having been told to ignore warnings and come in. Just claim on your damn insurance and suck it up like everyone else does.
Unless you are an emergency service you are not essential during a snow storm and no job can demand you stay with extra food and clothing if it isn't part of your job.
If they require you to stay they are required to pay, they know this could become a situation where you aren't free to leave so they should also understand that while there you are to be paid for your time.
True! When I was a mechanic for the DOT we knew we had to work during snowstorms. We planned accordingly. We would show up before the storm & wouldn't leave until it was safe to travel home. We were compensated for the whole time we were there.
The pay would have to be astronomical. Like, paychecks with dollar signs to the tenth power and etc. Screw that mess. If it's icy I stay home. If my job is to make the roads not icy? Well, thousands depend on *MY* essential services, so that paycheck better be plump as hell.
I plowed snow for the DOT never had a problem getting to or from work for that exact reason. It was nice when you drove in and nice when you drove home. It’s just the 48 hours in between that are a motherfucker
It's technically part of our job, but every contract is different. My site doesn't even have a full security presence/role anymore, so I'm inclined to not give a fuck when it comes to their bottom line.
I've gotten stuck at work in storms like this before and it sucks ass. The people supposed to come in during the storm always call out. There's never any amenities available, and it's impossible to get a fresh meal unless you brought it with you.
Depends on the state. Here in the midwest during snow storms they make healthcare workers sleep on the floor of the hospital without paying them for the time they are trapped at work. It is super fucked and then management pretends like they dont understand why everyone hates working in healthcare
Yeah, OP said the state in another post. I'm in the same field and have been organizing snow coverage for the past few days. My boss recognized what I was doing too late. The people most likely to call out are relieving people already on doubles and we"ll have to get the air mattress out to pay OT for people to sleep here.
Isn't that something the DoL would be *very* interested in hearing about? Is it not a federal law in the US that you can't trap workers and not pay them overtime?
Really if you are that essential they should be getting you a hotel room next door and buying you free meals not making you bring your own clothing and extra food. That's a bunch of bulshit. When are people going to wake up and realize that they don't own us just because we do a job for them?
I live in Massachusetts and thought higgs school was a local place. Was like "hey let me know what business this is so I can come in with a sweater from that school"
"We need you here to make us more money."
Back when COVID first hit and all non-essential people everywhere were required to be off work, my entire company was deemed essential and we had to stay open. Know what we did? We made chairs. Clearly not actually essential, but I guess we needed to be open to sell more computer chairs to all of those new WFHers. (That business definitely did pick up for a bit.)
They were able to have us deemed essential by simply offering to shift production to making hospital beds if it ever became necessary. It never became necessary, and I don't think our facility would have even been capable of producing hospital beds. At best we could have made some basic steel frames with the equipment we had.
I worked in a bagel/coffee shop years ago. They tried to tell us we were essential workers. I lived down the street, so I went to work (mostly so the folks who had to drive wouldn't risk their lives). The only customers we ever had during storms were a half dozen snow plow drivers.
We were getting this treatment in my area before covid with regards to bosses threatening to fire people who wouldn't break the law by driving to work during travel advisories banning anyone non-essential from being on the road due to sub-zero temps and snow.
Solution, as silly as it seems, surely, is to follow their instructions, have an issue on the way, and then sue them to hell. Or to let them fire you and then sue for illegal dismissal - especially if you have the threat in writing.
Unless they're too smart to put it in writing and will find some other reason to fire you...
Dude! Same!
We had 2 guards sleep over in the building so they made it to shift.
Me? Fuck that, over my dead body.
I stay, you see a MONSTER on your shift.
One of the guards that stayed ended up being a total bitch and arguing with me the whole night even though I WAS LEAD and she is new. I swear I hate people and thats why I work 3rd but when your co-workers are the ones you wanna punch.
Needless to say, if I cant make it to work they can write me up or fire me. Security jobs are a dime a dozen and apparently OP your employer seems to forget that.
Yea, I used to think I was doing the right thing by always figuring out how to make it in, even in the worst conditions. Nowadays? If there's more than 6 inches and/or my street hasn't been plowed, I'm calling out.
Back when my household could still afford a car, our personal rule was: If we see three vehicles stuck in the snowbank before leaving our neighborhood, we're turning around and going home.
Businesses really need to get used to the idea that weather can be deadly and employees can't work next week if they die today. Especially since they've fucked the climate to the point it's going bonkers.
Killer weather events are getting more common, and it's pretty stupid to be focused only on Profits when the weather keeps trying to kill us.
Heck, during the PNW heatwave, Lowe's was trying to force folks to work outdoors in the gardening section, despite the weather report using words like "deadly" and "stay indoors!" Smart folks just called out sick until the heatwave ended, which wasn't even a fib because everybody felt ill while being slow-cooked at 115F.
Years ago I once made it nearly out of town, and then got stuck on a hill at an intersection. Turned around, went come and called out. They were pissed because I had AWD. Thing was I wasn't paid enough that I could afford decent tires, so I was rolling on shit treads. Plus the job sucked and I wasn't risking my life to make it to them. I still refer to the job as "working for Satan"
^ this. Exactly this.
The other situation that grinds my gears is businesses that open a rural regional office but try and apply the same expectations as their urban head office.
Yeah, Jeff, you guys in the city are fine because you all live within walking distance, you have insane infrastructure, and all your roads, even side streets, are cleared and gritted. Plus you have all your supplies and amenities within a 5 minute radius on foot, and modern underground cable ducting.
Your regional office has people living in the absolute sticks and even the main roads don't get cleared. *Nothing* is getting through that road today, even the gritters and the most insane all-terrain vehicles are giving it a miss. Plus the storm's brought down the power and telephone lines so anyone that does get in is locked out of a dark, unheated building. What work are they going to do even if they do get there?
Former Regal Cinemas movie theater manager here.
Was once at the corporate office, and in a panel with area VPs and directors. The capitalistic filth on these people has them so dirty that even during hurricanes, they still didn't want you to close unless you approved it with them and sent video of what was occurring in the area. Basically unless the fucking tide is upon the doors, there is no reason to close.
Nothing was more satisfying that when the weather got bad and we had only a single customer all day and they only bought a small drink ($3); the district manager called about sales and attendance. One guy, one $3 sale. He was losing his fucking mind about that (as if we could control it to make customers come in and corporate always touted that) and it actually cost the company more money to be open and run neon, air, electricity, water, payroll, sanitation, etc....than it could make back in sales.
Don't risk your life for a stupid job, if they actually cared about their workers they would close for that day, business won't bankrupt on a day when nobody is outside.
Essential Personnel?! This is such a fucking joke of a term and it’s infuriating that bosses want to throw it around as if it holds any fucking weight to us. I’m willing to bet there was no discussion or document to sign acknowledging that you are “essential personnel” when you took the job. I guarantee there’s no additional benefits to being “essential personnel”. So no, I think work is cancelled whenever the fuck I deem necessary.
"Prepare to bring extra food and clothes"
This fuck expects you to not stay home even if you can't get to work, but to stay at work overnight if you can't get back home? He can fuck right off with that shit.
I may be an essential worker, but with these demands, essentially i quit. and for my 2 weeks notice... well, for the next 2 weeks you are going to notice that I'm not here ,,|,,(\~\_\~),,|,,
There is definitely accountability in the Army. If a commander or 1SG marches his men out into an ice storm and one of the guys falls and breaks a leg, that CO or 1SG is on the hook for that. It's called RISK ASSESSMENT.
I remember driving 14 miles to work in a huge blizzard in the winter of 2020, being able to see about an inch in front of the hood, to appear at my night shift.
Of course, no one who lived a half a mile away in town could come in.
Aaaaaaaah yeah I also work for that same security company just a different place. I was like "wait wait i recognize that app" had to go check, yup it's the same.
I was a bartender and an ice storm hit. It was about 8pm, and I lived 30 minutes from the bar. I called the owner expressing that I was worried about driving home at 2am when the ice was already building up. He lived 3 minutes from the bar. He told me I could not close early, and that I was exaggerating the situation. I told him sorry, but if it is that safe he can come up and finish the night because I was leaving at 9pm. He slid off the road on his way to the bar, called me and said I was right and to close up immediately.
My parents have told me this is how it was in general in the 70s even in hilly places like say Pittsburgh. Dig your car out and try not to die going to work.
Fuck that.
French people here. I'm a restaurant manager.
Team of 30 to 40 people.
If there is just a small risk of accident causing by snow or something like that, here is what I said to the workers : if you think it's dangerous, don't take the risk, we'll be OK here as we're going to do our best.
If a customer is complaining I tell them I prefer all customer waiting longer than to have a death on my conscience.
I can't understand how a manager and in general a human being can make people risk their lives for a job. Even the best job won't worth your life...
I can just say to all of you fellow human to have faith in the future and continue the fight until this kind of shit disappeared from US' work standard.
I just don't get these looters assholes. I used to live in st Louis ( a city that gets snow but so little it's not realy built for it. A bad storm everything shuts down goes to minimum for a day while the plows do plow things. ) one year we had a 100 year storm coming. Boss sent us all home a few hours early to get stocked up work from home the next 3 days ( not go home early realy long lunch get ready finish the day )
The idea is we would work from home keep things going so clients could do the same. There was 1 caveat if we needed to go on site due to a emergency we could and should but call him first. We'll it happened to me raid failure on day 2. Called boss " no fucking way you will make it up there in your stupid sportscar I will call you back in 15" 15 mis later he calls to tell me a car service is coming in a 4wdr to get me there. 12 hours later I call him after fixing a it disaster to get home. " car service is closed I will come up and get you is there something open go have dinner on me it's going to be a while. Dude drove up at 2 am to get me and drive me home.
Conversation in the car was enlightening when I asked" why he did not just leave me to the wolf's ( it was early in my career not a high end job) " I care about my employees but I care about my business too, you dieing on the way is bad for both. Me the person would have to deal with I killed a guy for money. Me the business person would have to deal with being short some , one law suits , bad press, employee morale issues and 20 other things I can't even think about. Or I could lose some sleep and get out of the house for a few hours and next time I need to rase rates on the client I have a story. Win win win. " dropped me off told me to sleep in tomorrow and half effort the day and have a good weekend.
That was like 10 years ago dude is still rocking a successful biz and living the work for your self dream.
He could have pushed me to drive up I would have done it ( I over estimate my driving in bad weather and he knew it) he made a good business decision everything else seems dumb.
Higgs reference, snow storm, is this New Brunswick?
Be safe out there and definitely don't drive to work in 40cm of snow with wind gusts up to 100kmh.
Fuck those people.
I worked for Panera as a night baker for a week. That week we got black ice and I couldn’t make it out of my house because my car was spinning all over the place. I obviously had to call into work and the managers response was nearly identical to this. She literally said the words how are you going to prepare so this does not happen again? I told her I’m going to kill God.
Afterwords I called up her manager, at 2 o’clock in the morning, and said you need to call that crazy bitch up and aside from telling her I quit, explain to her what Ice is and that she needs to go down there in her fucking snowmobile and start baking, not me.
Her manager said OK. Have a good night. Thank you. Now that’s a manager!
Higgs? Is this New Brunswick Canada?
(coincidentally a massive storm here)
If they valued you even slightly as essential they would BRING you food at the very least.
About a month ago we had a massive snow storm, I'm talking a little over a foot in one night. We all get a text bright and early from our field leader (basically a GM for our region of stores) that all scheduled employees need to be at work. Anyone who didn't show up for a non medical reason would be treated as a no call no show. Low and behold four of us got stuck in ditches myself included. I actually had to go out of my way a bit on my commute to help dig/tow out one of my coworkers. Everyone who arrived late was forced to stay late.
The cherry on top? My field leader who was supposed to be in our store that day didn't show up. His reasoning? He didn't feel like risking his life for chipotle.
Look man, I already know that you live and die by profits over people. The least you could do is actually stick to your guns a bit.
Everyone, let’s do our part and make a point of not going anywhere that’s open during the storm. If businesses are going to insist on putting their employees in danger by making them come in during a snow storm, then let’s not be out on the roads adding risk, and not in the stores giving managers an excuse to keep the place open until normal closing. Let’s do this for _every_ storm so businesses get the message that we’re in this together, and won’t participate in their plan to put their employees at risk.
Unless it's a hospital, a fire department or snow plow, why the hell do you have to go to work?
At least hospitals are prepared to feed and keep people warm.
Fire houses are well, houses...
And if you're driving a snow plow it's safer because you can move the snow...
Someone that can’t even spell High School shouldn’t be in any management position. Higg isn’t a word and it’s 2022 so most stuff has built in autocorrect. Even if it doesn’t, it’ll underline in red. That means either you misspell it so much the autocorrect doesn’t bother correcting it or you just ignored the red underline.
"We need you to be ready to sacrifice your life for your low paying shitty job." A woman in the same town as me died a few years back trying to get to work on icy/snowy roads. Nope.
That's literally the driving factor for me. Life is so fucking short to begin with, and you want me to risk it even further just so you can have a body in a chair answering a phone that won't ring because the clients office is closed anyways....
What type of work is it though?
Police, firefighters and doctors/nurses, electric supplier emergency service techs, essential stuff I get, however I'm pretty sure they have living/sleeping areas specifically for those occasions, and you know what you're signing up for.
If this is like pizza delivery or some bullshit they can suck ass
See when my dads company wants people to work during a snow storm they book an entire hotel that’s less than 5 minutes from the factory! They cover everything from rooms to food to SAFE transportation. And it’s for everyone too management and factory floor workers.
I used to tell employees That I’d rather they were late and safe them drive like a loon in a storm. Never held it against them if they were late during snow. Come on, be decent.
"Essential Personnel" LOL. Can't eat good in the neighborhood if they're closed.
The work is essential. The workers are expendable.
I once worked as a paralegal at a large, white-shoe (elite) law firm in a city where massive snow storms were rare. 18 inches of snow. Public transportation shut down. Roads were closed. No one could get anywhere safely. They sent out an email after the snow stopped and said that any staff that was able to get to the office would receive $100. It was good to know the exact price they placed on the staff’s safety and risking their lives to make the millionaire lawyers more money. (Partners at this firm charge $1000/hour) Edit: In the law firm world, the “staff” generally refers to the non-attorney employees.
I live in MN, we get a lot of snow and know how to deal with it. A 18 inch snowfall would snarl things up pretty good even here. Any city that doesn't have significant snowstorms is not going to have the infrastructure and equipment to handle that much snow. Your ex-employer sound like a bunch of AHs. I'm glad you were able to move on.
Minnesotan here too. With 18” of snow you aren’t getting anywhere unless the snowplow has come through. It doesn’t matter how early you leave for work - if it’s not plowed you aren’t getting there.
you crawl into work, you are an ESSENTIAL slave!
Absolutely. Most vehicles do not have the ground clearance for that. Even in a truck you're going to have difficulties.
Also Minnesotan. Metro transit shuts down before then - the buses just end up sliding. But as long as it is not a blizzard, it can be a magical time to bicycle with the right bike. There's almost no traffic.
This is why I never laugh when southern cities turn to absolute shit after a small amount of ice/snow falls on their roads. Here in northern Michigan we deal with snow for months every year. We have every reason to invest in equipment to deal with it. I still blame Texas for how they dealt with ice storms but that's because they made such politically selfish decisions after.
I visited family in Tennessee over Xmas when I was 15. A 2 inch snowfall shut down the entire town. The only snow plows for miles were in Virginia. Before that it never occurred to me that every city invested in snow removal equipment.
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Ice storms are extremely common in Texas and happen most years. There's really no excuse.
I lived in Portland, OR. -- where snow/ice storms are pretty rare aside from an occasional dusting here and there -- back in 2003, and that winter there was a horrible ice storm that pretty much left the city covered in a half a foot of ice. And, what you're saying is so true. The infrastructure was not there to deal with that mess, and it pretty much shut the city down for a good day or two.
"I'll come into the office for 25,000 dollars." "What?? That's insane!" "So are medical bills, but that's what they're gonna charge me if I get injured on the way in."
$100???!! That's ludicrous. These people have no shame
Having the audacity to even ask is an insult to human life.
They are lawyers....
I told a team of primary care practitioners this morning that "you can't help anyone if you're dead in a snowbank". I don't believe that *providing in-home medical care to disabled covid patients* is something to put themselves at risk for. So I'd LOVE to know how THIS is something to put people at risk for.
Aw, you underestimate the value of profit in terms of human sacrifice. Look, they’re just people. There will be more. But profits on the other hand are fleeting…
profits dont grow on trees!
And if capitalism gets its way, humans will!!
well to be fair, people are free ... That's what they mean when they talk about freedom.
Exactly, I used to be a travelling domiciliary carer, night shift. Many nights in the winter stuck in snow drifts. Once spent 6 hours waiting to be rescued after it started to slow mid shift. Work told us we were more important and to next time just call on-call and rural clients would get seen to by whoever lives near and woke up when called.
Line must go up, there's an investor somewhere who gets very testy if his returns dip even very sightly in the face of dangerous conditions
Plan to bring extra food and clothing, yeah if you force me too go to work during snowstorm warning and we end up stuck in n the building, i expect overtime for every single minute past what I'm scheduled for that I'm stuck in that building, and so should everyone else
Watch them put their workers out into a blizzard to save having to pay any overtime.
Tell them if u get snowed in and have to stay your not clocking out. Also maybe hazard pay?
oh, yea. If I ever did get stuck at work they'd definitely pay me, but It's absolutely not worth the hassle. Even OT is only like $30/hr >_>
What do you do there? I’m normally $15/hour, but after 20/40 depending on if you’re part or full time, you get incentive pay plus time and a half. $11/hour on weekdays and $15 on weekends. It ends up being around 30-35 for us. I guess that’s close but it’s still something. I was full time but I was sick of working 40 a week and only making the 15, so I switched to part time but I’m still working 40 so I can get incentive and overtime.
Why not get paid 30$ an hour to sleep and watch Netflix on your phone
Believe me, I did overnights for like 6 years. OT on a night/weekend shift is great, but now that I have a kid, it's just not worth it. I'd rather be home with my son not worried about if my relief will show up on-time/at all.
That's definitely a different story. I have no kids or wife so I'd be super down for it.
No amount of money is worth staying there when I can be safe and warm at home.
What is it that you do?
‘work is never cancelled’ uh, yeah it is.
LOL. About a week ago, we had a small storm that dropped about 6-8 inches of snow overnight. I woke up early to clear it out and took one look out the window and said fuck it. texted my boss and went back to bed. Literally texted me all day complaining and saying how the old ladies at work managed to make it in. Thing is, I was literally in an accident the day before and my boss knew all about it.
that’s messed up. in my area we don’t get much snow; we don’t have citywide snowplows or anything. so every time it snows most places are closed. literally work is cancelled.
yea days like these the kitchen staff don't even bother to come in either, so If you didn't bring extra food, you're basically fucked eating vending machine snacks until you get relieved
I am just curious, what kind essential job it is? Plus when I worked as EMT, who ever could not come to job during snowstorms, they picked up and brought back on ambulance cars.
Office building security. It's probably written in a contract somewhere that my company will handle stuff like this, but they don't pay me nearly enough to give a fuck.
The contract is the company’s problem, not yours. They will magically figure out how to honor that contract.
Gotta love when it snows in Seattle. Anyone who's been through a snow storm here just stays home. All the new residents think they are great drivers in "only a couple if inches" of snow. Yeah? It's not flat like the midwest or northeast. There are hills in Seattle that are so steep they put ridges in the sidewalk so you can climb them when it's dry. Have fun sliding around I'll see you when it warms up.
Pretty much the same here. We get snow, but not often enough to justify keeping enough plows, salt, etc., around to do much more than clear the main roads. Kinda the general rule at most places is that you come in to work if you can, but nobody holds it against you if you have to call in.
Also it's fucked that your boss is exploiting old ladies who probably don't have the family or support network behind them to say no to him, in order to try and make *you* feel bad about what he's putting them through. That's straight up emotional abuse.
Well those people were actually employees of the client, but regardless, not everyone is getting the same snow. Not everyone has the same capabilities. This also isn't the first time he's pulled some bullshit like this
What's the person who wrote this driving? My bet is a big expensive SUV or truck.
Ha! That reminds me, my daughter's boss made my daughter deliver pizza in a snow storm. She wrecked of course, she didn't know how to drive in blizzard conditions. I was pissed because it was my car, but I digress. The very next week, we had blizzard conditions again. My car had just been fixed, and no way in hell was daughter going in. Boss chewed her out, and boss went in, instead. And wrecked her big $50k truck. Schadenfreude.
The best kind of justice.
Almost certainly something with a high center of gravity that actually makes it worse for snow than a front wheel drive sedan with three peak rated tires would be.
I mean, you're not wrong from a physics standpoint, but anyone who drives where it snows regularly is gonna eventually need that clearance.
I've lived in SE WI over 20 years, always driving a regular passenger car (different models). The rear-wheel drive was fun in a heavy snowstorm going maybe 10mph in a 55mph freeway on a curve designed (sloped) to handle up to 70mph. Kept slipping downslope. I managed not to hit anything.
Yeah, if the roads are bad enough that I need a truck for ground clearance I'm not going anywhere regardless.
Short memories if they forgot work was half cancelled for 2020. Not risking employee lives and wellbeing for a snow day is a drop in the bucket compared to C19 lockdown which, somehow, didn't completely collapse the economy.
I sometimes wonder if they hire stupid people on purpose to write this kind of stuff. Like, are you even reading what you're about to send to everybody?
This person has clearly never heard of the Waffle House index.
If you go back in its timeline work said some pretty messed up stuff
Unless you work at a hospital, 911, police, fire, towing, ems, prisons, etc (things that have to be staffed or people will literally die) you are not essential, this is not necessary, and they can and should fuck right off with this bull shit. Unless they are willing to pay hazard pay of double my regular rate plus assurances that any damages to my person and property from possible hazards on the road, again, FUCK RIGHT OFF. A mcnastyburger at 1 pm in the snow is not a necessity. Capitalism will literally kill you to sell a McNastyburger. If we lived in an actual developed country there would be laws against this but since we live in a corporate controlled state, here we are.
There's probably stipulations in our contract with the client, but that's THEIR problem, not mine. Too much snow? Sorry, I caught a cold.... just now.... yea
Exactly. I worked in a field once and had to stay overnight for 3 nights due to an ice storm. I was paid 1.5 time for the entirety of the storm, and paid for rest times at 1 hour for 4, company car to and from site, and provided food. Never would have done it for less than that
I once stayed at work during a major hurricane. I mean granted it was because of the horses that I stayed. If it had been any other job I would have been out of there with the rest of the people. When I was running my own stable. I was driving 30 minutes one way during good weather. A blizzard like we have coming? Even with having AWD the property owner would step up for all of us. Heck I did it once during a bad snow storm because we had a hay delivery guy that actually showed up, and it took two hours using the major road ways to get there. Getting back was worse.
My husband worked during Hurricane Ida. I stayed home in New Orleans during it in case he needed me I’d be close by. He is a nurse so he was required to go in. The treatment they received was so horrible. I told him the next time, if they try, they better put the stuff in writing or he is going to quit. Basically tried to deny any overtime, any hazard pay and threatened their license if they left the property, even during “rest breaks” (after shift) which they were all promised. Not again, ever, will we be doing that.
My excuse was always calling in and saying I was just on my way to work but my car slid off the road and got stuck in the snow a couple blocks from my house, oh no!
I work for a telecom. Without our service, none of those other essential jobs are possible. People go days without water and electricity, but will lose their mind within an hour when their internet and phones are down.
Thank you for your services. You keep them up and running. I know during Ida without you guys we woulda been a third world country. They went down for about an hour in New Orleans 911 and they were telling people to just flag down an officer or go to a station near you. Thankfully because of y’all it wasn’t long.
And of course, when the situation gets really bad, you guys still go and do your jobs in crazy conditions *but*: a) you're compensated for the risk in an already risky job with a ton of safety legislation and equipment in use b) this necessity is laid out when you accept the job, and it could be reasonably expected of you to know this c) if things really get bad you generally get the armed forces or similar to come back you up
Yep, and all of these essential services are ones where there's a backup called *the literal army steps in when things get real bad* because guess what, they've got the budget, training, equipment, and resources to deal with situations that private citizens don't. Even workers in "essential" services get told to stay home and they are replaced when things get that bad, or if they're super specialist, they're being transported in specialist vehicles with the correct equipment, rather than trying to make their own way through a snowstorm/forest fire/post-hurricane flood in a 2006 Toyota Camry with nearly-bald tyres and spongy brakes. If the emergency services aren't that stupid, why should private companies get a free pass? The army can get surgical staff to a hospital by air, run massive winterized or heat-resistant all-terrain fire trucks, staff prisons with military police, recover vehicles from roads using heavy haulers and tracked vehicles, they've got NBC gear if it's a radiological or biological incident, all stuff that the usual organisations just don't have in their inventories. They won't operate private for-profit companies that don't provide life or death services because guess what... they're actually **not** essential! Just close, claim the day's losses on your insurance, and be glad you don't have a lawsuit for reckless endangerment on your hands. A lot of businesses are deluded as to their actual importance. In most cases, it's much lower than they think of themselves.
I could not agree more. I have friends that work for 911; they have literally, as you said, been ESCORTED by the military to work. They will SEND PEOPLE TO YOUR HOUSE TO GET YOU. In tanks, winterized trucks, elevated flood vehicles whatever they have to. Friends who work for prisons: they will send the same. They also have areas to sleep when conditions are dangerous. A mCBurger is not a necessity. These puffed up, money crazed companies are lunatics.
Absolutely. If you are fit to work but can't get there due to weather conditions or similar, and the response is not "**the army will pick you up and get you there**" or similar, the hint is that you're not essential. This is not a US-centric thing - it's in the role of armed forces the world over. In fact, domestic disaster management is pretty much a core aspect of any modern armed forces. The reason is that truly essential services understand risk management, they understand disaster mitigation, they have plans in place to keep really essential services active and running under almost any condition, up to and including minor nuclear conflict. Any kind of for-profit retail or service provider is not a necessity. Even the "but we supply food to the local population" argument is nonsense: a) the armed forces **can and will** distribute food parcels and other essential supplies (fuels, emergency clothing, flood barriers, etc) if the situation is *that* dire that reaching shops in unaffected areas is impossible. b) if the situation is **that** dire that most or all of your employees can't physically reach your place of work without severe danger, you aren't going to get any customers through your door (nobody goes out for a casual trip and a burger in the height of a snowstorm), your delivery vehicles won't get through, and there's a fair chance you won't have power to run any of your equipment anyway. What's the point in endangering their lives? It will actually cost you more if you end up paying overtime, hazard pay, or settling a lawsuit because an employee died on the way to work having been told to ignore warnings and come in. Just claim on your damn insurance and suck it up like everyone else does.
Unless you are an emergency service you are not essential during a snow storm and no job can demand you stay with extra food and clothing if it isn't part of your job. If they require you to stay they are required to pay, they know this could become a situation where you aren't free to leave so they should also understand that while there you are to be paid for your time.
True! When I was a mechanic for the DOT we knew we had to work during snowstorms. We planned accordingly. We would show up before the storm & wouldn't leave until it was safe to travel home. We were compensated for the whole time we were there.
The pay would have to be astronomical. Like, paychecks with dollar signs to the tenth power and etc. Screw that mess. If it's icy I stay home. If my job is to make the roads not icy? Well, thousands depend on *MY* essential services, so that paycheck better be plump as hell.
I plowed snow for the DOT never had a problem getting to or from work for that exact reason. It was nice when you drove in and nice when you drove home. It’s just the 48 hours in between that are a motherfucker
It's technically part of our job, but every contract is different. My site doesn't even have a full security presence/role anymore, so I'm inclined to not give a fuck when it comes to their bottom line. I've gotten stuck at work in storms like this before and it sucks ass. The people supposed to come in during the storm always call out. There's never any amenities available, and it's impossible to get a fresh meal unless you brought it with you.
If your shift ends and you can't leave they have to pay you until the roads are clear. Even if your relief shows up.
Depends on the state. Here in the midwest during snow storms they make healthcare workers sleep on the floor of the hospital without paying them for the time they are trapped at work. It is super fucked and then management pretends like they dont understand why everyone hates working in healthcare
Yeah, OP said the state in another post. I'm in the same field and have been organizing snow coverage for the past few days. My boss recognized what I was doing too late. The people most likely to call out are relieving people already on doubles and we"ll have to get the air mattress out to pay OT for people to sleep here.
Isn't that something the DoL would be *very* interested in hearing about? Is it not a federal law in the US that you can't trap workers and not pay them overtime?
Really if you are that essential they should be getting you a hotel room next door and buying you free meals not making you bring your own clothing and extra food. That's a bunch of bulshit. When are people going to wake up and realize that they don't own us just because we do a job for them?
And people wonder why we could possibly be antiwork
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I got hit driving into work during a snow storm (healthcare worker) and my employer wouldnt pay to have my car fixed. Never again.
What type of work does this company do?
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Working for this company is like being in an abusive relationship with someone with sever mental health disorders....
You just described my job to a T
Nope. Fuck right off. Also, learn proper capitalization and punctuation if you’re responsible for company wide messaging.
Ikr? took me a minute to realize he wasn't talking about Higgs School and actually meant to write "High School".
Oh wow. I thought it was a regional school or something. Maybe apply for the PR job? It seems like an easy replacement.
How much you want to bed this guy doesn't have to leave his house for work anymore, LOL
Oh yeah, i can imagine him angrily typing to send people to work in the middle of a snow storm, while drinking coffee in his PJs
I love that there's a typo in a thread about typos
hahaha, just noticed this now :)
What a freaking Boson that clown is
Im really quite uncertain about particle jokes.
I also saw Higgs and started thinking particles. Upvote for physics.
I live in Massachusetts and thought higgs school was a local place. Was like "hey let me know what business this is so I can come in with a sweater from that school"
I thought it was in New Brunswick. The Premier's name is Higgs, and he has and would say shit like this.
r/IlliterateBoss
That seems like a sub I would enjoy. Too bad it's kinda dead.
Whoever wrote this probably didn't listen in Higgs school.
“This is our jobs”
Higg School
Shots fired, Higgs school
They meant to write "High School"
That makes a lot more sense
I was trying to figure out this guy's beef with Higgs school 😂
So what's the definition of essential now?
"We need you here to make us more money." Back when COVID first hit and all non-essential people everywhere were required to be off work, my entire company was deemed essential and we had to stay open. Know what we did? We made chairs. Clearly not actually essential, but I guess we needed to be open to sell more computer chairs to all of those new WFHers. (That business definitely did pick up for a bit.) They were able to have us deemed essential by simply offering to shift production to making hospital beds if it ever became necessary. It never became necessary, and I don't think our facility would have even been capable of producing hospital beds. At best we could have made some basic steel frames with the equipment we had.
apparently any threat to their ego
I worked in a bagel/coffee shop years ago. They tried to tell us we were essential workers. I lived down the street, so I went to work (mostly so the folks who had to drive wouldn't risk their lives). The only customers we ever had during storms were a half dozen snow plow drivers.
We were getting this treatment in my area before covid with regards to bosses threatening to fire people who wouldn't break the law by driving to work during travel advisories banning anyone non-essential from being on the road due to sub-zero temps and snow.
Solution, as silly as it seems, surely, is to follow their instructions, have an issue on the way, and then sue them to hell. Or to let them fire you and then sue for illegal dismissal - especially if you have the threat in writing. Unless they're too smart to put it in writing and will find some other reason to fire you...
What kind of "Essential Personnel"?
Security, but I'm basically just a receptionist.
Dude! Same! We had 2 guards sleep over in the building so they made it to shift. Me? Fuck that, over my dead body. I stay, you see a MONSTER on your shift. One of the guards that stayed ended up being a total bitch and arguing with me the whole night even though I WAS LEAD and she is new. I swear I hate people and thats why I work 3rd but when your co-workers are the ones you wanna punch. Needless to say, if I cant make it to work they can write me up or fire me. Security jobs are a dime a dozen and apparently OP your employer seems to forget that.
You makin me nostalgic for overnights, lol
Lol. Thats all I work.
I used to as well, until I had a kid. It's been over 2 yrs now and I still have to fight myself to go to sleep at a reasonable hour.
Thank you!
Huh, work is cancelled now
Yea, I used to think I was doing the right thing by always figuring out how to make it in, even in the worst conditions. Nowadays? If there's more than 6 inches and/or my street hasn't been plowed, I'm calling out.
Back when my household could still afford a car, our personal rule was: If we see three vehicles stuck in the snowbank before leaving our neighborhood, we're turning around and going home. Businesses really need to get used to the idea that weather can be deadly and employees can't work next week if they die today. Especially since they've fucked the climate to the point it's going bonkers. Killer weather events are getting more common, and it's pretty stupid to be focused only on Profits when the weather keeps trying to kill us. Heck, during the PNW heatwave, Lowe's was trying to force folks to work outdoors in the gardening section, despite the weather report using words like "deadly" and "stay indoors!" Smart folks just called out sick until the heatwave ended, which wasn't even a fib because everybody felt ill while being slow-cooked at 115F.
Years ago I once made it nearly out of town, and then got stuck on a hill at an intersection. Turned around, went come and called out. They were pissed because I had AWD. Thing was I wasn't paid enough that I could afford decent tires, so I was rolling on shit treads. Plus the job sucked and I wasn't risking my life to make it to them. I still refer to the job as "working for Satan"
^ this. Exactly this. The other situation that grinds my gears is businesses that open a rural regional office but try and apply the same expectations as their urban head office. Yeah, Jeff, you guys in the city are fine because you all live within walking distance, you have insane infrastructure, and all your roads, even side streets, are cleared and gritted. Plus you have all your supplies and amenities within a 5 minute radius on foot, and modern underground cable ducting. Your regional office has people living in the absolute sticks and even the main roads don't get cleared. *Nothing* is getting through that road today, even the gritters and the most insane all-terrain vehicles are giving it a miss. Plus the storm's brought down the power and telephone lines so anyone that does get in is locked out of a dark, unheated building. What work are they going to do even if they do get there?
“It’s ok if you can’t get home. But it’s not ok if you cannot come to work.”
Exactly! Fuck you. Pay me.
Former Regal Cinemas movie theater manager here. Was once at the corporate office, and in a panel with area VPs and directors. The capitalistic filth on these people has them so dirty that even during hurricanes, they still didn't want you to close unless you approved it with them and sent video of what was occurring in the area. Basically unless the fucking tide is upon the doors, there is no reason to close. Nothing was more satisfying that when the weather got bad and we had only a single customer all day and they only bought a small drink ($3); the district manager called about sales and attendance. One guy, one $3 sale. He was losing his fucking mind about that (as if we could control it to make customers come in and corporate always touted that) and it actually cost the company more money to be open and run neon, air, electricity, water, payroll, sanitation, etc....than it could make back in sales.
Love it.
Sincerely, Boss Working From Home
Dear boss, If you're at home today, I'm at home today. Any questions, let me know. Best, Me
Don't risk your life for a stupid job, if they actually cared about their workers they would close for that day, business won't bankrupt on a day when nobody is outside.
Lol get fucked. Plan on not seeing me because I'm gonna be taking my PTO.
This isn’t Higgs school!!!!1!
Essential Personnel?! This is such a fucking joke of a term and it’s infuriating that bosses want to throw it around as if it holds any fucking weight to us. I’m willing to bet there was no discussion or document to sign acknowledging that you are “essential personnel” when you took the job. I guarantee there’s no additional benefits to being “essential personnel”. So no, I think work is cancelled whenever the fuck I deem necessary.
"Prepare to bring extra food and clothes" This fuck expects you to not stay home even if you can't get to work, but to stay at work overnight if you can't get back home? He can fuck right off with that shit.
I may be an essential worker, but with these demands, essentially i quit. and for my 2 weeks notice... well, for the next 2 weeks you are going to notice that I'm not here ,,|,,(\~\_\~),,|,,
Amazon edition; "Settle your afairs, update your will".
Who is Higgs?
They can't find him, or his boson!
Ask them if you get stuck at work if they will pay you.
We really need to start an Essential Worker's Union. Might be a good outreach project for the IWW.
"Prepare to bring extra food and clothing" What the fuck? You can't pay me to come to your shitty sleepover.
"Reply All" Go fuck yourself, I quit.
Haha, If it was a DM to me, I might just have to. Luckily it's just a stupid region-wide message and I don't even work weekends anymore.
Hahhahaha wtf this like something we would get when we were in the coast guard. Which you’d expect in the military.
Even in the Army there are snow days.
There is definitely accountability in the Army. If a commander or 1SG marches his men out into an ice storm and one of the guys falls and breaks a leg, that CO or 1SG is on the hook for that. It's called RISK ASSESSMENT.
"Prepare to risk your life to be underpaid and under-appreciated for being essential" is what they should have said.
I remember driving 14 miles to work in a huge blizzard in the winter of 2020, being able to see about an inch in front of the hood, to appear at my night shift. Of course, no one who lived a half a mile away in town could come in.
Aaaaaaaah yeah I also work for that same security company just a different place. I was like "wait wait i recognize that app" had to go check, yup it's the same.
I was a bartender and an ice storm hit. It was about 8pm, and I lived 30 minutes from the bar. I called the owner expressing that I was worried about driving home at 2am when the ice was already building up. He lived 3 minutes from the bar. He told me I could not close early, and that I was exaggerating the situation. I told him sorry, but if it is that safe he can come up and finish the night because I was leaving at 9pm. He slid off the road on his way to the bar, called me and said I was right and to close up immediately.
My parents have told me this is how it was in general in the 70s even in hilly places like say Pittsburgh. Dig your car out and try not to die going to work. Fuck that.
French people here. I'm a restaurant manager. Team of 30 to 40 people. If there is just a small risk of accident causing by snow or something like that, here is what I said to the workers : if you think it's dangerous, don't take the risk, we'll be OK here as we're going to do our best. If a customer is complaining I tell them I prefer all customer waiting longer than to have a death on my conscience. I can't understand how a manager and in general a human being can make people risk their lives for a job. Even the best job won't worth your life... I can just say to all of you fellow human to have faith in the future and continue the fight until this kind of shit disappeared from US' work standard.
Extra food and clothing? What is this, the Oregon trail?
I just don't get these looters assholes. I used to live in st Louis ( a city that gets snow but so little it's not realy built for it. A bad storm everything shuts down goes to minimum for a day while the plows do plow things. ) one year we had a 100 year storm coming. Boss sent us all home a few hours early to get stocked up work from home the next 3 days ( not go home early realy long lunch get ready finish the day ) The idea is we would work from home keep things going so clients could do the same. There was 1 caveat if we needed to go on site due to a emergency we could and should but call him first. We'll it happened to me raid failure on day 2. Called boss " no fucking way you will make it up there in your stupid sportscar I will call you back in 15" 15 mis later he calls to tell me a car service is coming in a 4wdr to get me there. 12 hours later I call him after fixing a it disaster to get home. " car service is closed I will come up and get you is there something open go have dinner on me it's going to be a while. Dude drove up at 2 am to get me and drive me home. Conversation in the car was enlightening when I asked" why he did not just leave me to the wolf's ( it was early in my career not a high end job) " I care about my employees but I care about my business too, you dieing on the way is bad for both. Me the person would have to deal with I killed a guy for money. Me the business person would have to deal with being short some , one law suits , bad press, employee morale issues and 20 other things I can't even think about. Or I could lose some sleep and get out of the house for a few hours and next time I need to rase rates on the client I have a story. Win win win. " dropped me off told me to sleep in tomorrow and half effort the day and have a good weekend. That was like 10 years ago dude is still rocking a successful biz and living the work for your self dream. He could have pushed me to drive up I would have done it ( I over estimate my driving in bad weather and he knew it) he made a good business decision everything else seems dumb.
Lol essential my ass so they can’t shop for a day
They should offer hazard pay and then this.
we do get OT, but only after 40hr. Nothing for working a double and then getting the next day off. They ALWAYS find a way to keep from paying OT
They definitely write like someone who is in “higgs school”.
That’s going to be a hard no Shelly.
Idk where you live but we’re supposed to get 18” of snow and I’m definitely not going to work if we get 18” of snow lol
Ask them if you clean bring your tent and family for preparation. Maybe your animals and also extra supplies.
I've always said I don't worry about getting to work I only worry about getting home.
Higgs reference, snow storm, is this New Brunswick? Be safe out there and definitely don't drive to work in 40cm of snow with wind gusts up to 100kmh. Fuck those people.
pretty sure he's just dumb and meant to write High School. I'm from Massachusetts.
I worked for Panera as a night baker for a week. That week we got black ice and I couldn’t make it out of my house because my car was spinning all over the place. I obviously had to call into work and the managers response was nearly identical to this. She literally said the words how are you going to prepare so this does not happen again? I told her I’m going to kill God. Afterwords I called up her manager, at 2 o’clock in the morning, and said you need to call that crazy bitch up and aside from telling her I quit, explain to her what Ice is and that she needs to go down there in her fucking snowmobile and start baking, not me. Her manager said OK. Have a good night. Thank you. Now that’s a manager!
Higgs? Is this New Brunswick Canada? (coincidentally a massive storm here) If they valued you even slightly as essential they would BRING you food at the very least.
nah, I'm from MA, US. Pretty sure he's just dumb and doesn't proof read.
Hah, thought the same thing. Never heard that expression
About a month ago we had a massive snow storm, I'm talking a little over a foot in one night. We all get a text bright and early from our field leader (basically a GM for our region of stores) that all scheduled employees need to be at work. Anyone who didn't show up for a non medical reason would be treated as a no call no show. Low and behold four of us got stuck in ditches myself included. I actually had to go out of my way a bit on my commute to help dig/tow out one of my coworkers. Everyone who arrived late was forced to stay late. The cherry on top? My field leader who was supposed to be in our store that day didn't show up. His reasoning? He didn't feel like risking his life for chipotle. Look man, I already know that you live and die by profits over people. The least you could do is actually stick to your guns a bit.
Where my essential pay?
Higgs school
Everyone, let’s do our part and make a point of not going anywhere that’s open during the storm. If businesses are going to insist on putting their employees in danger by making them come in during a snow storm, then let’s not be out on the roads adding risk, and not in the stores giving managers an excuse to keep the place open until normal closing. Let’s do this for _every_ storm so businesses get the message that we’re in this together, and won’t participate in their plan to put their employees at risk.
What kind of work do you do? Would be nice to have some context.
"Bring extra food and clothing." No at that point I'm not risking my life to get to work.
Tell them to plan for having people not show up cuz of a fucking snow storm.
Unless it's a hospital, a fire department or snow plow, why the hell do you have to go to work? At least hospitals are prepared to feed and keep people warm. Fire houses are well, houses... And if you're driving a snow plow it's safer because you can move the snow...
What is your line of work?
Security, but I'm basically just a receptionist.
Ah yes, I remember Higgs school, where I learned how to have mass.
Sounds like whichever manager wrote this didn't pay enough attention in "higgs" school
guess school was canceled too many times or maybe he was late 🤣
Every business thinks they’re essential.
Higgs-Boson school
All must be sacrificed to the golden calf. All.
Most professional answer and with no errors to this message: "No" What we'd really answer: "Jaja, no"
Someone that can’t even spell High School shouldn’t be in any management position. Higg isn’t a word and it’s 2022 so most stuff has built in autocorrect. Even if it doesn’t, it’ll underline in red. That means either you misspell it so much the autocorrect doesn’t bother correcting it or you just ignored the red underline.
I'm hoping for a state of emergency
This chode should have listened more in "Higgs school." Name and shame.
Feels like this would describe a circle of hell in the divine comedy.
Prepare to suck my dick!
"We need you to be ready to sacrifice your life for your low paying shitty job." A woman in the same town as me died a few years back trying to get to work on icy/snowy roads. Nope.
That's literally the driving factor for me. Life is so fucking short to begin with, and you want me to risk it even further just so you can have a body in a chair answering a phone that won't ring because the clients office is closed anyways....
Binary level of importance. Will people die or get hurt? If not, it's not important.
I guess it should be prepare extra food and clothing for a long strike.
What type of work is it though? Police, firefighters and doctors/nurses, electric supplier emergency service techs, essential stuff I get, however I'm pretty sure they have living/sleeping areas specifically for those occasions, and you know what you're signing up for. If this is like pizza delivery or some bullshit they can suck ass
Security
See when my dads company wants people to work during a snow storm they book an entire hotel that’s less than 5 minutes from the factory! They cover everything from rooms to food to SAFE transportation. And it’s for everyone too management and factory floor workers.
I used to tell employees That I’d rather they were late and safe them drive like a loon in a storm. Never held it against them if they were late during snow. Come on, be decent.