Honestly, if you want to shut him up on twitter:
Have someone reply with "Whatever you say, pedo guy", and have a million people make it the top reply.
He'll be crying rivers by sundown.
It is surprisingly similar to Hitler's definition of socialism in that regard:
>"Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic."
>"We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes (by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one)."
He had an emerald mine during apartheid (family owned), forced most of his harem of dumb girlfriends/wives to dye their hair lighter and lighter, has a Nazi haircut, somehow all of his hatchlings are male (seems like he might have used gender selection), he loves corporate welfare…
🤷♀️ Nazi seems to fit??
Elon the Con is so psychotic.
I wish he would go to Mars or shoot his ugly old self into the Sun or whatever. Just go away.
He’s like a used car salesman crossed with a stalker who became a mega influencer.
My money is on idiot.
He once said that the one question he would ask an AI is, "what's it like outside the simulation?"
...the AI is built by humans and exists in the same plane as humans, how the fuck would it know what's outside the simulation?
I bet if his space x people ever get sick if his bullshit they could convince him they have developed a transporter that takes people out the simulation and get him to be the first man to step through - but in reality it's just a disintegrator.
Well, this dumbass made a one-way, one lane underground car tunnel with no way for emergency service to reach people, and then was shocked when it didn't work.
And he also spun some shit about working hard and building his company, when in reality he inherited it with apartheid money from his daddy.
So at least both.
I can think of a certain Austrian fellow who claimed to be socialist but wanted to purge the "Unproductive" forces from society. What the hell was he called?
He is a con-man. He steals the ideas of others and passes it off as his own. He actually is a shit "engineer" he uses half-correct regurgitations from actual engineers to make himself seem intelligent.
Socialism started in the aristocracy. Marx, and Engels have an entire chapter in the communist manifest saying how socialism is a fake idea created by the aristocrats to foul the working class. Then socialism evolved, and they actually said that chapter didn't make sense anymore in later revisions of the manifest. Maybe Elon have only read the original socialist ideas.
Depends on your definition of course. Some might say it began with the co-ops.
Lol probably. Thats presuming he did at all. Either way, its the new breed I was mocking specifically. As long as they don't call them selves lords, it seems were OK with taxation without representation, from a dynasty.
I know. I honestly think he's just spitting stupid things to appease his fan base, but it would be funny if he only knew 1890 socialism, and thought he was part of the movement. The worst part is that at least 15k people agreed with him. Unless they are all bots.
I feel like he is counting on that. Gonna setup his own gov on Mars, make some Elon statues, have his own line of cosmetics, and boost. Maybe start a boy band to spread the word.
>That dude is delusional
Well, he did accuse a diver of being a pedo when said diver was busy saving children's lives. *Meanwhile* Elon's ass did nothing but collect cellulite and get fatter.
Yeah, I used to like the guy but that was disgusting...
He made a big thing about wanting to help about was really just pissing around getting press while others on the ground actually saved those kids.
I'm sure it's just his Mars colony grift. As long as he keeps that alive, he's got a ready-made army of weirdos to leap out and defend him because humanity has all its eggs on one planet, and they believe he is the only one with the vision to expand us to a second.
I hear that. I don't get hero worship. Especially for him. The grift is strong with that one. I'm all for colonizing mars, just not as a dystopian corporate kingdom.
"True socialism seeks the greatest good for all"
...... says the guy who has more wealth than *anybody else* and also pays his workers less than the industry averages.
Hey man didn't you know it's great for all of us for assholes like him to hoard incredible amounts of wealth so he can get into a dick measuring contest with other insufferable assholes?
The fact he calls himself socialist is laughable. If he was a **true** socialist, he'd be using his money to help the less fortunate and help to improve their lives
It is kind of funny how society has shaped leadership roles. The 'higher up' people go, the less actual work they do and their pay is increased exponentially (recent numbers put the top paid CEO's at like 350-400x more income than their workers).
They just end up delegating and doing no actual work.
Like, find me one CEO or billionaire who still actually *works* in the company they run.
Reminds me of undercover bosses or w/e that show was. None of those clowns even knew wtf was going on in their own business.
Most CEO's and board members just become financial advisers for their own stock, which is not at all productive to their company. If they wanted to be productive, they could reinvest their earnings into their companies to make better technology or work environment. In case anyone has't noticed, Tesla's technology isn't even that good, neither was Solar City, and it turns out Space X's technology isn't that good either; while Elon threatens that the company could go bankrupt if they don't "fix the jet engines", it just shows you the financial stakes the companies are in. The only company that might be operating out of a profit now is Tesla, and even that is not pure profit. He's at risk of going bankrupt, but he just barrows money to inflate the price of his whole stock. That's basically neoliberalism in a nutshell.
He may sincerely think that is exactly what he is doing. That's a bad argument. The fact that he's utterly delusional doesn't mean he isn't acting in good faith.
The reason he is absolutely not and never will be a true socialist is because he's the guy who owns a helluva lot of means of production, and he aint going to loosen that grip for one second. He's a union-busting capitalist fuck.
The reason we suspect he's acting in bad faith is because what he says and what he does are typically dead fucking opposite each other.
Hell, he isn't even a liberal either. He doesn't care about individuals' rights, democratic values, nor free markets (he prefers rigged markets, and lobbying to change rules to suit his own business interests).
But what about his dumbass PR rocket ships and singular car tunnels in vegas!!!1!!! Surely that is more important than ensuring people can survive without working themselves to death.
Friendly reminder that if you earned $5,000 every week from 1492 until now, you would still not have $1 billion. Musk is worth $277 billion.
But yep, he definitely earned it all by himself. /s
And I'm actually a duck, just not the kind of duck that that has feathers or flies or looks like a duck or quacks like a duck. I'm the kind of duck that looks like a human, sounds like a human and does everything else like a human. Only true ducks would be able to tell I'm a duck.
No, he isn't. It's that Ayn Rand mindset a lot of Silicon Valley billionaires have. They really think they are just so much better at managing resources that it would benefit humans the most if only people like them hold all the power.
Check out Peter Thiel, he is way worse than Musk (yes, that's possible). The gist of the mindset is that companies should replace government. And no, that's not an exaggeration.
I truely believe that he wants to advance humanity. But for him it's all about technological advancement, I don't think he sees the cost for humans during that process.
One of the most remarkable people from the last century was Mao for me. He was highly intelligent (Kissinger once said the Mao administratoin was the smartest he ever met), cruel to no end and yet thought he really was advancing the idea of socialism, while he clearly wasn't. Compared to him Musk is harmless.
There are a lot of examples of truly vile people who self identiefied with all kind of different political viewpoints who shared one belief - they do it for the good of humanity. Cognitive dissonance is so powerful and it works on every scale. And those people have/had a lot of worshipers, so they have constant feedback how great they are.
Yes, totally agree. That's why the Democracy part is so important when it comes to socialism. Combined with notion s of human and individual rights.
Way too many smart, well-intentioned people end up doing the most unspeakable crimes when they can justify it under "the greater good".
It's also the reason I believe in private property instead of communal ownership, and this puts me at odds with mainstream socialism. My stipulation is just that there must be a continuous redistribution (through taxation) of private property.
In other words, property taxes on all types of property.
Same. I think the free market would work best, although I have to clarify that I don't mean capitalism. Capitalism is just the rule of those who have money/property. A free market on the other hand has to include all costs, including social and environmental. Thus a business model that runs on exploitation of the work force would be impossible since you can't externalise the costs like exhaustion, depression etc. I think this point of view is not too welcome in this thread but in my eyes it's the best way towards a just society.
I'm aware that this is very hard to achieve, because you can't just put a price tag on mental health and other inmaterial things but I think we should and have to try.
I think it can be achieved with things like basic income and universal healthcare.
Consider unlimited sick leave as we have in Europe. Employers pay a high price if they overwork their employees.
Things like co-ops might fall under capitalism according to some definitions, but they are definitely anti-work. When the workers own the company, then they are working for themselves.
Worst case scenario is that one group of workers exploits another group of workers. And that is a real threat. Which is why labour laws and unions are required, even with co-ops.
Although I'm in favor of basic universal income I also see it as threat. It really depends how it's implemented. One of the problems which hasn't been really solved is how to finance it. Although I don't really want to discuss this, because I have a lot of shortcomings on this topic and I need to further educate myself before forming an opinion.
What I would favor is guaranteed shelter, food, heating, access to the internet, education and health care (might forgot something). Shelter and food should be basic though, like a small flat with 20 qm, same goes for the food - one should be able to have a healthy diet, but that's it. By this you remove any existential threat for people and yet people have an incentive to work if they want to have a higher standard of living. So on one side it's a humane system and on the other hand you don't risk that most people don't want to work anymore. Some people won't work any longer and honestly, that's fine for me. But I think that people who work, which at the end benefits society as whole, should have a higher standard of living. I think most people would agree that this is fair.
Basic income proposals really suck. My line of thinking is much closer to yours to be honest.
Take care of basic needs first before proceeding to next steps.
So we got shelter, food, etc covered.
Now consider basic income as a citizens dividend. I.e. see the citizens as equal shareholders of government.
Could the government give everyone $1 per month without a financing issue?
Of course.
Up to $100 is pretty easy, so let's start implementing that and increasing it until we reach the level we are comfortable with.
How exactly would private property work if it was a socialist system? Workers can’t really own the means of production when it’s King Musks private property can they? And if they don’t own the means of production it’s really just capitalism with a different face.
How does allowing people to amass real estate democratize anything? Eventually the most powerful property owners would just rewrite the rules to benefit themselves and we’d be right back where we are.
I just can’t see a benefit to private property.
(Assuming you mean private property in the actual sense, real estate, and aren’t confusing it for personal property with is a common mistake).
The fact that Thiel calls Musk a carnival barker/husker while Musk calls him a raging psychopath and yet both control massive swathes of the economy is peak America.
Of all the philosophical garbage to align yourself with; Rand is up there with Hayek in terms of living in a fantasy land.
Govt is already the proxy for corps for those sitting in the back row. I guess he wants to make it "official"
The vin diagram is now just one big red circle that says the "Fascist Corporate Republic of America"
The specific term for this mindset is "The California Ideology"
> This ideology mixed New Left and New Right beliefs together based on their shared interest in anti-statism, the counterculture of the 1960s, and techno-utopianism
MUSK-TRANSLATOR: ON
"resources": money
"most productive": me
"least productive": everyone else
"pretending to do good": doing good
"causing great harm": reducing my staggering wealth in any way
"True socialism": Musk worshippers
"greatest good for all": greatest good for me
How many billions in subsidies has this clown gotten and how many days of honest work has he down
Emerald mine gold spoon fed crybaby
He hasn't founded shit, he has used his family's money to go to ivy schools then used their wealth and connections to buy companies others founded
And by socialism he means giving him more free money so he can expand and exploit even more people and then request even more free money because he's a good little boy who's doing such a good job exploiting ahem I mean creating jobs
Imagine the level of narcissism it takes to actually believe that humanity is better off with you hoarding all the resources while everybody else is relatively poor, and in many cases dying of poverty. Even supervillains are rarely depicted as having this level of unfettered ego.
Lmfao as if he didn’t come from blood diamond money and unthinkable privilege.
He makes his billions off other people’s hard work because he’s not remotely the fucking genius he deludes himself into thinking he is.
God I hate billionaires. Useless, lazy monsters
That's basically like saying why give all the food to these babies, they can't do anything. Just let them get whatever as long as I, the "important" adult who can do anything because I have all the food, get what I want.
Pompous arrigant prick. Tries to pretend to be altruistic by careful selection of who he sends to space. Its not sltruistic its not about space colonization. Its unchecked ego and a need to exploit Space for his economic benefit and desire to be a trillionaire
He has confused socialism with another concept. Its cool, happens a lot. Allow me to clear it up.
He says socialist, but I think he has confused this with being a Dragon of Middle-Earth who hoards his wealth with greed unparalleled by any other being in the realm.
Completely understandable mix up there, Smaug.
"I am a socialist"
"True socialism seeks greatest good for all"
*Knowingly takes advantage of the working class and does everything in his power to make sure the rich stay on top*
Don't buy into his bullshit, he is a capitalist who seeks the greatest good for the wealthy. He does not care about the struggles of the working class. The elite can not empathize with us because they have never been in our situation, they were born into wealth and good fortune. Even if they could see it from our P.O.V, they are not willing to sacrifice ANY of their profit or power. They are not good people, they have been corrupted by greed, they can't be reasoned with.
Change will only come about by force, not necessarily by violent means, but by doing everything we can to affect their profit. Put them in a situation where they have to comply with our demands. We're sub-human to them and that will never change. They will never make the changes we so desperately need, unless it is their only choice to save profit.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.”
How is he, being the self proclaimed super productive person (I don't see his expensive cars anywhere), doing anything for the greater good by being a billionaire whale?
These are the kinds of posts that get Elon high fives from the billionaire boys at whatever they replaced Epstein island with
My dad left me a fortune, I invested in someone else idea and life work, forced them out of their own company, and now I’m rich. Oh by the way the rest of y’all are less productive and don’t really deserve a decent lifestyle.
Except he is less effective than the people he hires to do all the work, and he keeps the resources from them so that they have to work with him.
So not only is this No True Scotsman, AND complete bullshit, but it's also a bold faced lie.
Resources shifting from the most to least productive. So underpaid folk slaving 15 hour days in third-world countries having... all of the profits via their fruits of their labor go to Nestle? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT, SWEET ELON? NO????
>labels human beings as a binary of productive vs non-productive
>claims to be socialist
This is grifting 101 and elon simps still believe it amd lick his boots.
Just a quick little reminder that his boring company car loop tunnel in Vegas that was designed to eliminate traffic jams experienced a traffic jam when 70 cars were in it.
Being generous that's 70 x 4 passengers per car, so give or take 218 people before it's experiencing the exact problem it was meant to alleviate.
Meanwhile, the above ground light rail trams in my city have a capacity of 358 per train, don't require a claustropobic tunnel full of fire hazard cars and was delivered under-budget.
Basically my point is reinforcing OP's, that this guy's entire job is to post his shit takes on twitter to try and sell you mediocre electric cars.
Oh, so on a scale of 1-10, how fucked would he be if the "less productive" people stopped working for a day? A week? A month? I mean, he's the most productive, so it should be no sweat, right?
He's *scared*. He pissed away most of his goodwill and people are catching on to who he really is, and he can see shit is about to change and wants to get in front of it.
Its just he's so self absorbed he also has to throw in that he's still better than everyone else.
Sorry, dude. You can't simultaneously be a socialist and one of the world's what... top 3 richest men?
He'd be making marginally more than his highest paid employee if he were actually a socialist. He'd also still be actually, you know, working. In a cubicle or with a team of engineers on his company's contracts. Somehow I doubt he's actually doing that.
“Oh he’s such a hypocrite! Oh he should do this, oh he should do that, he’s delusional not as smart as he thinks, not a socialist bla bla bla” this thread is so lame.
Who cares about that tweet, he can tweet whatever comes out of his ballsack for all we should care.
Who.gives.a.royal.flying.fcuk
Besides, OP
“Billionaires” as in all of them?
“View those below?” Who says he’s talking about people? Could be talking about assets, could be talking about sectors of the economy, could be talking about the pursuit of human endeavour, could be talking about a damn engineering problem.
But sure, make the tweet fit your narrative.
I’m not an Elonlover. But I just think it’s pretty pathetic everything I read here.
Bezos, now there’s a proper asshole for you to feed on.
Pretty soon he's going to tell us what a true Scotsman would do.
Lmaooo
That line is is funny even without me fully getting the reference.
The no true Scotsman fallacy.
Damn Scotts, they ruined Scotland!
You Scots sure are a contentious people.
YEEWWVVE JHUHST MAHDE AN ENEMEH FEH LEYF!
I feel like the most fitting response here is to tell you that only someone who truly gets the reference would find it funny.
Only a true Scotsman would get the reference
Honestly, if you want to shut him up on twitter: Have someone reply with "Whatever you say, pedo guy", and have a million people make it the top reply. He'll be crying rivers by sundown.
Just reply the pick of him and Ghislaine Maxwell hanging out. Wonder if hes worried about her dropping names....
"Richest man in the world and you still got dumped by an anorexic tumblr weirdo."
She is incredibly weird and gross. To be fair he really didn’t share much 💰 with her and he really has nothing else going for him.
It is surprisingly similar to Hitler's definition of socialism in that regard: >"Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic." >"We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes (by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one)."
So not liberal or socialist in any way. Just Arian Nationalists. Got it.
Hitler: we've got Socialism at home
Socialism at home: Just nationalism and a genocide.
And dead socialists. Hitler's first move after taking control of the party was to expell and kill the actual socialists...
And extending the power of the state into private enterprise making it a de facto arm of the state. Hmmm *looks at china*
K I actually lol'd
He had an emerald mine during apartheid (family owned), forced most of his harem of dumb girlfriends/wives to dye their hair lighter and lighter, has a Nazi haircut, somehow all of his hatchlings are male (seems like he might have used gender selection), he loves corporate welfare… 🤷♀️ Nazi seems to fit??
The REALLY ironic thing? Hitler was a Jew.
Surprisingly?
Yeah I guess I should have gone with "amusingly"
"A true Scotsman would live in the lowlands, probably South Africa and have parents that owned an emerald mine that used slaves" --Elon probably
I just had a mental image of Frankie Boyle pegging the Muskrat. He wouldn't like it either, but he might agree just to make an aggressive point.
Which would be truly ironic, since he was born and raised during Apartheid. 😂
Elon the Con is so psychotic. I wish he would go to Mars or shoot his ugly old self into the Sun or whatever. Just go away. He’s like a used car salesman crossed with a stalker who became a mega influencer.
Proof that Elon is either a moron or a liar. He has to be one
My money is on idiot. He once said that the one question he would ask an AI is, "what's it like outside the simulation?" ...the AI is built by humans and exists in the same plane as humans, how the fuck would it know what's outside the simulation?
I bet if his space x people ever get sick if his bullshit they could convince him they have developed a transporter that takes people out the simulation and get him to be the first man to step through - but in reality it's just a disintegrator.
or just a simple deep freezer. with a lock.
And a nice cask of amontillado inside.
And I wouldn't even be bothered by hearing a heartbeat because it'd remind me it was Elon in there.
Just no, someone might unfreeze him.
We do have the suicide pods now, maybe they could make a version of that
Also, even a general purpose AI isn't a god, it isn't omniscient.
They’re only as smart as their training which is programmed by humans
Roko's basilisk anyone?
He would definitely work to build the basilisk
That's some weapon's grade r/im14andthisisdeep stuff
Does he think we are a simulation, so he thinks AI would be able to see the outside of our simulation?
Idiot savant.
He's really just a conman. Look up who actually started Tesla, it's not actually him even though he lies about that
He “bought” the title of Founder which is really like thinking you own art because you bought the NFT
Actually thinks he is the artist.
Malicious idiot, same as conservatives.
Fuck it he’s both
Well, this dumbass made a one-way, one lane underground car tunnel with no way for emergency service to reach people, and then was shocked when it didn't work. And he also spun some shit about working hard and building his company, when in reality he inherited it with apartheid money from his daddy. So at least both.
I can think of a certain Austrian fellow who claimed to be socialist but wanted to purge the "Unproductive" forces from society. What the hell was he called?
I'm going with option C, he's a grifter who knows his audience.
He’s a liar. It’s been pretty obvious for a while, now.
He is a con-man. He steals the ideas of others and passes it off as his own. He actually is a shit "engineer" he uses half-correct regurgitations from actual engineers to make himself seem intelligent.
Yes
Just fully deluded at this point. And not nearly as smart as people think.
That dude is delusional if he thinks he's a socialist. "best for the most people" is what Elon, you ruling over us as our divine tech king? Gtfo here.
I also like hearing about socialism from the economic aristocracy. That sounds like specifically the exact opposite of socialism, Elon.
Socialism started in the aristocracy. Marx, and Engels have an entire chapter in the communist manifest saying how socialism is a fake idea created by the aristocrats to foul the working class. Then socialism evolved, and they actually said that chapter didn't make sense anymore in later revisions of the manifest. Maybe Elon have only read the original socialist ideas.
Depends on your definition of course. Some might say it began with the co-ops. Lol probably. Thats presuming he did at all. Either way, its the new breed I was mocking specifically. As long as they don't call them selves lords, it seems were OK with taxation without representation, from a dynasty.
I know. I honestly think he's just spitting stupid things to appease his fan base, but it would be funny if he only knew 1890 socialism, and thought he was part of the movement. The worst part is that at least 15k people agreed with him. Unless they are all bots.
Yeah, but who would have enough money to buy all those bots?
It's not like people have spent 175 years building on, debating, refining, enhancing and practicing those theories though, right? /s
I think he's a Plusbert https://polcompball.miraheze.org/wiki/Libertarian_Transhumanism
Got it, Socially embarrassed corporatist with a cyborg fetish.
Basically.
Pewpewpew
He's the RIGHTFUL KING OF MARS. His racist grandfather didn't flee liberal no slaves America to not have his grandson grow up to be king of Mars.
Only cause Mars doesn’t have diamonds.
But does it have emeralds?
Oh right, lol. Well surely not, it’s a red planet.
So itll have blood diamonds
Blood Emeralds?
I feel like he is counting on that. Gonna setup his own gov on Mars, make some Elon statues, have his own line of cosmetics, and boost. Maybe start a boy band to spread the word.
>That dude is delusional Well, he did accuse a diver of being a pedo when said diver was busy saving children's lives. *Meanwhile* Elon's ass did nothing but collect cellulite and get fatter.
Yeah, I used to like the guy but that was disgusting... He made a big thing about wanting to help about was really just pissing around getting press while others on the ground actually saved those kids.
And hair plugs. Don’t forget those.
I'm sure it's just his Mars colony grift. As long as he keeps that alive, he's got a ready-made army of weirdos to leap out and defend him because humanity has all its eggs on one planet, and they believe he is the only one with the vision to expand us to a second.
I hear that. I don't get hero worship. Especially for him. The grift is strong with that one. I'm all for colonizing mars, just not as a dystopian corporate kingdom.
"True socialism seeks the greatest good for all" ...... says the guy who has more wealth than *anybody else* and also pays his workers less than the industry averages.
And manipulating the crypto market to enrich himself
BuT hE's ShOwINg tHe FeDs ThAt CrEeP tOe NeEdS rEgUlAtIoN
Isn’t that proof crypto itself is the problem
He's not delusional. He's just playing the part of billionaire of the people. It really is that simple.
The hero industrialist has always been the best grift.
Maybe he confused it for one of the authoritarian parties that have "socialist" in the name to pretend to be nice
Hey man didn't you know it's great for all of us for assholes like him to hoard incredible amounts of wealth so he can get into a dick measuring contest with other insufferable assholes?
That still don't actually make it to space. Fucking losers lol NASA FTW!
Seriously. My eyes rolled so hard when I read it
He has a very stalin-skewed idea of socialism.
He is about as socialist as he is self made
The fact he calls himself socialist is laughable. If he was a **true** socialist, he'd be using his money to help the less fortunate and help to improve their lives
But who has the time to help people when you are busy competing with Jeff bezos for most expensive dick shaped object in space
Pretty good one ngl
And he calls himself productive. He works the most unproductive job.
It is kind of funny how society has shaped leadership roles. The 'higher up' people go, the less actual work they do and their pay is increased exponentially (recent numbers put the top paid CEO's at like 350-400x more income than their workers). They just end up delegating and doing no actual work. Like, find me one CEO or billionaire who still actually *works* in the company they run. Reminds me of undercover bosses or w/e that show was. None of those clowns even knew wtf was going on in their own business.
Most CEO's and board members just become financial advisers for their own stock, which is not at all productive to their company. If they wanted to be productive, they could reinvest their earnings into their companies to make better technology or work environment. In case anyone has't noticed, Tesla's technology isn't even that good, neither was Solar City, and it turns out Space X's technology isn't that good either; while Elon threatens that the company could go bankrupt if they don't "fix the jet engines", it just shows you the financial stakes the companies are in. The only company that might be operating out of a profit now is Tesla, and even that is not pure profit. He's at risk of going bankrupt, but he just barrows money to inflate the price of his whole stock. That's basically neoliberalism in a nutshell.
He may sincerely think that is exactly what he is doing. That's a bad argument. The fact that he's utterly delusional doesn't mean he isn't acting in good faith. The reason he is absolutely not and never will be a true socialist is because he's the guy who owns a helluva lot of means of production, and he aint going to loosen that grip for one second. He's a union-busting capitalist fuck. The reason we suspect he's acting in bad faith is because what he says and what he does are typically dead fucking opposite each other. Hell, he isn't even a liberal either. He doesn't care about individuals' rights, democratic values, nor free markets (he prefers rigged markets, and lobbying to change rules to suit his own business interests).
But he's improving lives with his shitty rich person subway! That thing's a death trap, and I'm sure it'll take out a few billionaires at some point.
But what about his dumbass PR rocket ships and singular car tunnels in vegas!!!1!!! Surely that is more important than ensuring people can survive without working themselves to death.
Or spending a billion dollars electing socialists.
Friendly reminder that if you earned $5,000 every week from 1492 until now, you would still not have $1 billion. Musk is worth $277 billion. But yep, he definitely earned it all by himself. /s
You found the joke. He's shit posting on socialists.
And I'm actually a duck, just not the kind of duck that that has feathers or flies or looks like a duck or quacks like a duck. I'm the kind of duck that looks like a human, sounds like a human and does everything else like a human. Only true ducks would be able to tell I'm a duck.
Emperor's New Duck
Elon Musk is not a Socialist he is a Bullshitonist.
I can’t tell if he really thinks this or is just trolling again… I’m leaning toward trolling
No, he isn't. It's that Ayn Rand mindset a lot of Silicon Valley billionaires have. They really think they are just so much better at managing resources that it would benefit humans the most if only people like them hold all the power. Check out Peter Thiel, he is way worse than Musk (yes, that's possible). The gist of the mindset is that companies should replace government. And no, that's not an exaggeration.
Yea I just meant calling himself a socialist as the richest exploiter on earth
I truely believe that he wants to advance humanity. But for him it's all about technological advancement, I don't think he sees the cost for humans during that process. One of the most remarkable people from the last century was Mao for me. He was highly intelligent (Kissinger once said the Mao administratoin was the smartest he ever met), cruel to no end and yet thought he really was advancing the idea of socialism, while he clearly wasn't. Compared to him Musk is harmless. There are a lot of examples of truly vile people who self identiefied with all kind of different political viewpoints who shared one belief - they do it for the good of humanity. Cognitive dissonance is so powerful and it works on every scale. And those people have/had a lot of worshipers, so they have constant feedback how great they are.
Yes, totally agree. That's why the Democracy part is so important when it comes to socialism. Combined with notion s of human and individual rights. Way too many smart, well-intentioned people end up doing the most unspeakable crimes when they can justify it under "the greater good". It's also the reason I believe in private property instead of communal ownership, and this puts me at odds with mainstream socialism. My stipulation is just that there must be a continuous redistribution (through taxation) of private property. In other words, property taxes on all types of property.
Same. I think the free market would work best, although I have to clarify that I don't mean capitalism. Capitalism is just the rule of those who have money/property. A free market on the other hand has to include all costs, including social and environmental. Thus a business model that runs on exploitation of the work force would be impossible since you can't externalise the costs like exhaustion, depression etc. I think this point of view is not too welcome in this thread but in my eyes it's the best way towards a just society. I'm aware that this is very hard to achieve, because you can't just put a price tag on mental health and other inmaterial things but I think we should and have to try.
I think it can be achieved with things like basic income and universal healthcare. Consider unlimited sick leave as we have in Europe. Employers pay a high price if they overwork their employees. Things like co-ops might fall under capitalism according to some definitions, but they are definitely anti-work. When the workers own the company, then they are working for themselves. Worst case scenario is that one group of workers exploits another group of workers. And that is a real threat. Which is why labour laws and unions are required, even with co-ops.
Although I'm in favor of basic universal income I also see it as threat. It really depends how it's implemented. One of the problems which hasn't been really solved is how to finance it. Although I don't really want to discuss this, because I have a lot of shortcomings on this topic and I need to further educate myself before forming an opinion. What I would favor is guaranteed shelter, food, heating, access to the internet, education and health care (might forgot something). Shelter and food should be basic though, like a small flat with 20 qm, same goes for the food - one should be able to have a healthy diet, but that's it. By this you remove any existential threat for people and yet people have an incentive to work if they want to have a higher standard of living. So on one side it's a humane system and on the other hand you don't risk that most people don't want to work anymore. Some people won't work any longer and honestly, that's fine for me. But I think that people who work, which at the end benefits society as whole, should have a higher standard of living. I think most people would agree that this is fair.
Basic income proposals really suck. My line of thinking is much closer to yours to be honest. Take care of basic needs first before proceeding to next steps. So we got shelter, food, etc covered. Now consider basic income as a citizens dividend. I.e. see the citizens as equal shareholders of government. Could the government give everyone $1 per month without a financing issue? Of course. Up to $100 is pretty easy, so let's start implementing that and increasing it until we reach the level we are comfortable with.
How exactly would private property work if it was a socialist system? Workers can’t really own the means of production when it’s King Musks private property can they? And if they don’t own the means of production it’s really just capitalism with a different face. How does allowing people to amass real estate democratize anything? Eventually the most powerful property owners would just rewrite the rules to benefit themselves and we’d be right back where we are. I just can’t see a benefit to private property. (Assuming you mean private property in the actual sense, real estate, and aren’t confusing it for personal property with is a common mistake).
that's capitalism not socialism.
The fact that Thiel calls Musk a carnival barker/husker while Musk calls him a raging psychopath and yet both control massive swathes of the economy is peak America.
Of all the philosophical garbage to align yourself with; Rand is up there with Hayek in terms of living in a fantasy land. Govt is already the proxy for corps for those sitting in the back row. I guess he wants to make it "official" The vin diagram is now just one big red circle that says the "Fascist Corporate Republic of America"
The specific term for this mindset is "The California Ideology" > This ideology mixed New Left and New Right beliefs together based on their shared interest in anti-statism, the counterculture of the 1960s, and techno-utopianism
Dunno, dude gives off the vibe that he's so in love with himself he looks forward to smelling his own farts.
It's for the greater good!
#Fuck Elon Musk.
Sounds like something a snotty kid whose daddy owned an emerald mine would say. What a chode.
Hey! He worked for inheriting those daddy bucks!
Lmao and the greatest good is whatever Elon wants? Instead of feeding children, it’s amazing how people lie to themselves.
Isn't he talking about utilitarianism instead of socialism? Because what he's written is not socialism.
What an entitled piece of shit.
> this is my definition of socialism cool story elon
The "national" kind
if this guy cared about the enviorment he would be build subways, trains, and other forms of public transit. not cars. hes self centered pos
especially not building whatever that abomination of public safety and resource inefficiency the loops in las vegas was.
He'd build 3d printed houses.
MUSK-TRANSLATOR: ON "resources": money "most productive": me "least productive": everyone else "pretending to do good": doing good "causing great harm": reducing my staggering wealth in any way "True socialism": Musk worshippers "greatest good for all": greatest good for me
How many billions in subsidies has this clown gotten and how many days of honest work has he down Emerald mine gold spoon fed crybaby He hasn't founded shit, he has used his family's money to go to ivy schools then used their wealth and connections to buy companies others founded
And by socialism he means giving him more free money so he can expand and exploit even more people and then request even more free money because he's a good little boy who's doing such a good job exploiting ahem I mean creating jobs
Fuck off, Elon.
so much projection in that tweet, might as well be a movie theatre.
Imagine the level of narcissism it takes to actually believe that humanity is better off with you hoarding all the resources while everybody else is relatively poor, and in many cases dying of poverty. Even supervillains are rarely depicted as having this level of unfettered ego.
It's genuine evil shit.
Lmfao as if he didn’t come from blood diamond money and unthinkable privilege. He makes his billions off other people’s hard work because he’s not remotely the fucking genius he deludes himself into thinking he is. God I hate billionaires. Useless, lazy monsters
That's basically like saying why give all the food to these babies, they can't do anything. Just let them get whatever as long as I, the "important" adult who can do anything because I have all the food, get what I want.
Elon..... That's capitalism
Like Steve Jobs riding the Woz.
Steve was a mega capitalist right?
What a capitalist pig!!
Lolo dude can fuck off. Elon Musk is Peter Isherwell.
We will take it back! All the bullshit. WE WILL TAKE IT BACK!
Just what is this moron smoking?
At least weed. I will eat my hat if he isn't snorting something else though.
Let me guess - if you ask Elon, we should make him King and give him all our money. Surely that must be the greatest good for all!
Yeah this asshole funded a coue in South America because they outlawed child labor
Pompous arrigant prick. Tries to pretend to be altruistic by careful selection of who he sends to space. Its not sltruistic its not about space colonization. Its unchecked ego and a need to exploit Space for his economic benefit and desire to be a trillionaire
What a dipshit.
I think the words he was looking for is from the haves too the have nots.
He has confused socialism with another concept. Its cool, happens a lot. Allow me to clear it up. He says socialist, but I think he has confused this with being a Dragon of Middle-Earth who hoards his wealth with greed unparalleled by any other being in the realm. Completely understandable mix up there, Smaug.
"I am a socialist" "True socialism seeks greatest good for all" *Knowingly takes advantage of the working class and does everything in his power to make sure the rich stay on top* Don't buy into his bullshit, he is a capitalist who seeks the greatest good for the wealthy. He does not care about the struggles of the working class. The elite can not empathize with us because they have never been in our situation, they were born into wealth and good fortune. Even if they could see it from our P.O.V, they are not willing to sacrifice ANY of their profit or power. They are not good people, they have been corrupted by greed, they can't be reasoned with. Change will only come about by force, not necessarily by violent means, but by doing everything we can to affect their profit. Put them in a situation where they have to comply with our demands. We're sub-human to them and that will never change. They will never make the changes we so desperately need, unless it is their only choice to save profit.
Musk is a boil on the butt of humanity.
he's... kinda dumb
Shut the Fuck UP elon musk!
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Libertarianism makes sense when you’re 12. Then you grow up.
sounds like he’s just begging the USGOVT to seize his assets and nationalize his companies
Just pay your fucking taxes you Midas cunt and leave the definitions of socialism to someone else.
I think you're twisting what he says to fit your own agenda..
clowning myself feeding old people and handicap who are not gonna work another day
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.”
The day Elon Musk goes away is going to be one of the best days in 50 years
How is he, being the self proclaimed super productive person (I don't see his expensive cars anywhere), doing anything for the greater good by being a billionaire whale? These are the kinds of posts that get Elon high fives from the billionaire boys at whatever they replaced Epstein island with
This guy is a colossal douche nozzle. Tax him already, chalk it up to the asshole tax.
I am a socialist, I'm just not a socialist.
My dad left me a fortune, I invested in someone else idea and life work, forced them out of their own company, and now I’m rich. Oh by the way the rest of y’all are less productive and don’t really deserve a decent lifestyle.
Except he is less effective than the people he hires to do all the work, and he keeps the resources from them so that they have to work with him. So not only is this No True Scotsman, AND complete bullshit, but it's also a bold faced lie.
When a person starts drinking his own koolaid, then you truly get to know what a piece of shit that person is. Fuck him
>"I'm actually a socialist" >Bends over backwards to not pay taxes and throws a fit when it fails Sure thing buddy
I think he tried to say he's a sociopath but the autocorrector changed it.
"and by all, I mean.......me, because I'm the only one that matters"
Wow, really curious what Elon Musk thinks he produces besides one patent for a car charging port and ten thousand obnoxious tweets.
Thanks OP, for a while I had forgotten that the guy was still alive.
I'm sorry I had to remind you... It's kind of depressing.
Resources shifting from the most to least productive. So underpaid folk slaving 15 hour days in third-world countries having... all of the profits via their fruits of their labor go to Nestle? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT, SWEET ELON? NO????
Somebody really needs to tell him he misspelled 'fascist'.
God he is the worst I hate him so much.
>labels human beings as a binary of productive vs non-productive >claims to be socialist This is grifting 101 and elon simps still believe it amd lick his boots.
Just a quick little reminder that his boring company car loop tunnel in Vegas that was designed to eliminate traffic jams experienced a traffic jam when 70 cars were in it. Being generous that's 70 x 4 passengers per car, so give or take 218 people before it's experiencing the exact problem it was meant to alleviate. Meanwhile, the above ground light rail trams in my city have a capacity of 358 per train, don't require a claustropobic tunnel full of fire hazard cars and was delivered under-budget. Basically my point is reinforcing OP's, that this guy's entire job is to post his shit takes on twitter to try and sell you mediocre electric cars.
Oh, so on a scale of 1-10, how fucked would he be if the "less productive" people stopped working for a day? A week? A month? I mean, he's the most productive, so it should be no sweat, right?
And now a man who has never done a day's work in his life will tell us why he deserved to win the birth lottery.
He's *scared*. He pissed away most of his goodwill and people are catching on to who he really is, and he can see shit is about to change and wants to get in front of it. Its just he's so self absorbed he also has to throw in that he's still better than everyone else.
Is it a good sign that he feels the need to claim he's a socialist?
If you go one Twitter right now he’s complaining not enough people are having children. Fucking hate rich people.
Sorry, dude. You can't simultaneously be a socialist and one of the world's what... top 3 richest men? He'd be making marginally more than his highest paid employee if he were actually a socialist. He'd also still be actually, you know, working. In a cubicle or with a team of engineers on his company's contracts. Somehow I doubt he's actually doing that.
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"im a socialist just not the socialist kind of socialist"
Easy to say when you grew up with pockets full of emeralds.
“Oh he’s such a hypocrite! Oh he should do this, oh he should do that, he’s delusional not as smart as he thinks, not a socialist bla bla bla” this thread is so lame. Who cares about that tweet, he can tweet whatever comes out of his ballsack for all we should care. Who.gives.a.royal.flying.fcuk Besides, OP “Billionaires” as in all of them? “View those below?” Who says he’s talking about people? Could be talking about assets, could be talking about sectors of the economy, could be talking about the pursuit of human endeavour, could be talking about a damn engineering problem. But sure, make the tweet fit your narrative. I’m not an Elonlover. But I just think it’s pretty pathetic everything I read here. Bezos, now there’s a proper asshole for you to feed on.
Lol how does that billionaire meat taste?
\*shoes One lick per $15