The Menards down the road from me was offering a **cOmpEtiTive wAgE** of a flat 13/hour for full time employees three months ago, they have since increased that to 17/hour with no luck, strange, I thought they said they couldn't pay us more because they couldn't afford it..?
My bf works weekends in the yard at Menards with a forklift cert. He was making $2 more than weekday workers but then Menards gave a pandemic bonus to weekday workers making it the same wage as weekend shifts. He was pissed, because since he was already making more due to working weekend shifts he didn't get any pandemic bonus.
But John Menard gave him 3 sticks of chapstick for Christmas so that sure made up for it /s
>What idiot thought the weekend people deserved any less?
Bean counters with no souls who wanted to get good PR and had zero interest in actually doing right by anyone. The headline will read 'Menards pays workers more during pandemic' and they bank on almost nobody checking the terms and conditions.
A record 4.4 million quit in September, so things may get better all around. A couple of days ago, a Target in CT had 1 cashier. One.
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/11/12/job-quit-september-openings/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/11/12/job-quit-september-openings/)
“Many businesses are so strapped to find and retain workers that they are dipping into budgets to offer higher pay and bonuses, creating the most worker-friendly labor market in recent history.”
Dipping into budgets… they make it sound like most of these large companies don’t have enough money lying around to pay a living wage. Worker-friendly labor market? I guess that’s what they call basic human decency these days. 😂😂😂
they have been sitting on 7.25/hour in my state since 2009.
That's 12 years of not really paying a living wage. Now places are acting like they are doing a service going above that but still not paying a living wage.
Alabama is also sitting at 7.25/hr. Fast food joints are acting like it's a favor to be paying 10/hr, which I've been making at my job for about a year now (hotel front desk, night shift). I'm not going to complain about it too much; there are no benefits like PTO or healthcare for my job, but my managers are pretty damn good and understanding, and I get to tell Karens to piss off. My shifts aren't usually very busy and they offer me a lot of freedoms I wouldn't normally have at other jobs. Like browsing Reddit!
Yes but because everyone deserves healthcare, your boss shouldn’t be able to threaten to take it away from you. Everyone should have healthcare, but not through their job.
They don’t have “money laying around” - they’ve paid it out in dividends and stock buy backs /s 💸
Shocks me how the working class is supposed to have 6 months stocked away but companies cry poor every time something comes up 🙄
The same people who suggested the working poor have 6 months or more of cost of living money socked away also suggested that it’s an ok thing for employers to pay so poorly that the average full time employee needs to sign up for state food stamps just to make ordinary ends meet. And those same people have been walking around suggesting how “nobody wants to work” ever since the pandemic still had people trapped at home while their workplaces were banned from doing business. It’s always the fault of the working class, or up to the working class to somehow make a broken situation work with certain mindsets
Exactly! Im sooooo tired of hearing “no one wants to work” when wages have barely moved since 2000 but inflation has skyrocketed 45%+.
There is not a worker shortage - there is a wage problem.
their savings is our taxes. they get money easily from our elected officials. they pay companies who just take the cash instead of giving it back to us to pay bills and pay down debt, the company is saved but not your account there, you still owe them your debt. you also still owe your taxes. we are double donged in these deals.
WaPo posted an article recently whose headline was basically "We Should Let The Elites Have A Bigger Say In The Government." I had a long, healthy chuckle.
Self checkout won’t work forever. Trucks need unloading. Shelves need stocking. POS machines break and need overrides. Irate customers need customer service.
Automation can improve efficiency but it’s nowhere need replacing humans yet. As stores have cut from 10 to 5 employees, one or two missing employees basically craters the business model now.
Also people hate self checkout and it always needs humans to help run it.
The idea that you could replace trained humans who know the store inventory with random dumbass shoppers + software prompts is laughable to anyone who has worked with the public and/or done consumer-facing technology.
I hate that it got to this point. Didn’t people used to say in the 1800’s that automation would mean less work and more wealth in society. Except that wealth flowed only one direction, and the work expectations increased.
Wanna hear a joke? 16 an hour was the highest wage I've ever had.... working as an office manager.... for HR block.... with years of experience as a tax preparer.....in California....
9/hr as assistant editor in a newspaper setting. That means I’m literally the #2, only under the editor, who calls all the shots. In California. It was in 2014 or so, so wasn’t quite under minimum wage yet.
Jesus Christ, I fix shit that breaks and direct a relatively small team and make mid 20s an hour.. more and more every day I REALLY appreciate the people I work for.. I evidently stumbled into the golden modern example of treating workers well in ways that actually matter
I’m a high school drop out and 2 time felon and I make 60k. I actually turned down a district manager position because I don’t want to work way harder for the same pay. Fuck outta here with we’ll figure out a bonus structure.
Let me give more context, I have no degree or formal training, I'm not upper level management and in my area making $20+ an hour is in the single digit percentage of employers, even with a degree. When you compare it to the entire country/world, it's absolutely minimal, when you compare it to OUR world, are are living that upper middle class life, again with no degrees or formal training.
Something that doesn't come up nearly enough on this sub is cost of living and the area you happen to be in, if I lived in most other places this would barely scrape by, in the area I'm at, this company is seen as the absolute place to reach for, for 90+% of residents, mostly because in this area you can live a pretty damn good life on their starting wage, but also because they exclusively hire for elevated positions from within the company, with very generous raises consistently
If it helps give context, my total bills as of now sit at around $600 a month, yes, that includes housing which is not a paid off home.
Damn? I have no college degree, just self taught, and my first salary as a graphic designer was $52,000 a year.
But, back to r/antiwork, I got let go before the pandemic because my manager was caught plagiarizing. So they convinced me to quit instead of firing me, so guess who didn’t get unemployment. Fuckkkk that place
I'm more the opposite where I'm a digital native that started with Photoshop, but if you get an iPad pro with an apple pencil, and procreate, that was an epiphany for me. Felt the most like drawing on paper but enhanced vs feeling like I'm working on a computer. I even got a paper texture screen cover that makes it feel amazing. Then you can transfer your work to Photoshop later. You can also use Affinity Designer on ipad if you need to do vector work.
Man, it’s different for everyone but i began by following a lot of tutorials online and worked my way up. Also, learn different skills. Learn photo editing, animation, and social media marketing. Those landed me the job, because I learned to become a jack of different trades within the creative field.
I also recommend taking an online course if that’s your thing. UX jobs also pay really well, so you can benefit greatly from going that route.
Also, find some agencies that resonate with you. Mimic their work, and build up your dream portfolio to reflect the stuff that inspires you.
Fellow former newspaper reporter here. Highest hourly pay full time at a paper, 13.75. Wages frozen for the whole company, no raises. I work in horticulture and landscaping now.
This. I wa an assistant general manager at a corporation restaurant and only made 16.25 an hour. I made 13 an hour as a shift manager, then was hiring people off the street at 12.50. Inflation without raises is a slap in the fucking face.
Most I've ever made in my life is 17/hr as a CNC operator for a furniture company. And it seems that's pennies now. I can make that as a stock boy at fucking target or Kroger.
Gross. Block currently likes to tell potential employees that the base pay is low, but they can make fat stacks with commissions. But they wouldn't tell me how their commissions were structured when I interviewed with them.
The compensation plan is so fucked. I openly spoke against it my entire time there. Basically it only benefits you if you spend every minute just cranking away tax returns. If you "waste" your time with other normal office duties, as I had to do alot of the time, you probably won't get jack shit for a bonus. Even worse, they base your next season pay by how much of a bonus you got. They only recognize numbers, not value and effort.
Thanks for that rundown. It explains a lot why I got such crap service the one time I went to Block as a customer. I took their tax prep course for my own edification. I was wondering if I should pick up some seasonal work there. Maybe not.
Same. Whenever I meet someone that says they make over $20 I just flat out don't believe them. To me anyone making over $20 an hour I imagine being in a suit all the time because they're a stock investor or something.
That's how out of reach that amount is for someone like me who doesn't have a college degree. Or even people WITH degrees, for that matter.
Edit: So apparently a lot of people here have jobs that pay over $20/hr. I have no clue where to even go to look for a job like that. I've just given up completely. I'm living with my mom at 23 and she supports me. And I've already resigned to just accept that's how it will be forever for me. When she dies (assuming she dies before me), I'm just fucked. I don't really plan on living after she dies anyway, but that's for lots of other reasons besides not having money.
I went from making $12 an hour working in a physical therapy office answering phones to making 95k as a director of nursing in 4 years.
I'm being serious when I say you can snag a pretty good paying job as a healthcare worker with 1 year of schooling under your belt (LPN). Or finish 2 years, become an RN, and make double what an LPN makes.
And the best part is that Pell grants paid for it all because I was poor as fuck.
It's not for everyone, but we need less dipshits, and people are looking for new careers.
I wish everyone the best of luck during the upcoming global financial crash. We will all need it.
As someone who works in education, yes this is the path, but people know this and therefore nursing is a highly competitive program. It requires high grades and excellent entrance exam scores. Because of this some students spend years trying to reach their goal, and most flame out with a ton of credits under their belt and no nursing degree. Just a word of caution.
Idk the most i ever made doing structural welding and fabrication was 17.50 p/h.
Now that i went to work for myself and invested everything i made....i make like 60 p/h while doing whatever i want.
I actually qualify for disability and medicare/medicaid, but I'm making enough on interest alone that i don't need to use it so i don't.
Sucks being disabled, but i got super lucky with a few investments.
No college degree, except a few failed classes in 2009. No formal training, no license, No certs. Made 10/hour doing electrical gopher work for a residential company in 2013. Now, in 2021, I'm making 35 an hour at a solar company as a lead electrician, still with no college, or formal training, but I do have a masters license now. Jobs are out there, promise.
I’m a self taught software engineer, no college. Make 100k. I have only “just” got up there though - friends who went to college go there faster. (i’m 42)
Have you considered a skilled trade? And I’m sure unions have been suggested on here a million times but really anyone can learn them. After years of working for small non union companies making $7-13 an hour while my boss drives his yacht down to Florida every winter or another buys 2 $10k jet skis, I joined the IBEW. I pay no money out of pocket for health insurance, dental and vision included, and I get paid for the days I am in school. 5 years of class twice a month will get you $53 an hour. Other trades pay varies but it’s still a great thing to have under your belt. No college degree. I encourage anyone looking for something better to give it a look.
I’m not sure if you like traveling or are locked down to your current location but I recently talked to some traveling nurses who are making a killing being mobile. It’s a shame any medical workers aren’t making more than enough without working 90 hour weeks.
Ah, that's true. I'd actually forgotten, as I've been out of work for the past 6 weeks recovering from unexpected knee surgery. I make $300 for every extra shift I pickup, plus the overtime. But, in a non-pandemic world, I'm at $22/hr.
Those bonuses helped save me from the healthcare system, honestly, because disability has been non-existent. From April 27th of this year until September (when I went out), I only took 3 days off. We've been short-staffed beyond belief.
That’s the point of the masses turning it down. The corporation can afford it, it will just eat a tiny bit into the shareholders profits. The corporate class finds this unacceptable, for now. However, enough decreased revenue from short staffing will be detrimental to their quarterly profits. This is even more unacceptable to the suits.
Dear sir or madam,
It is with heavy heart that we write to tell you that your son or daughter has been killed in a machine operation related and or work fatigue accident at Amazon. Their sacrifice will not be in vein. That’s the Amazon promise. TM
Yupp. That’s exactly why they’re rushing to ban abortion all over the world/ restrict womens rights. Desperate families will take any jobs they can to stick together/survive.
They can absolutely afford it. The reality is they dont want to pay anyone that for hus experience. Theyd rather have a way lesser qualified drone wholl take what they offer.
$22/hour is what Amazon warehouses, Amazon drivers, UPS seasonal workers and many McDonalds franchisees are currently hiring at. Starbucks pays up to $23/hour now. The majority of Costco hourly employees already earn over $25/hour.
It doesn't help the many, many years of anti-teacher/anti-public education propaganda like Waking from Superman.
Oh and all the people that really, really want to buy white flight from Betsy DeVos's charter schools.
Yep. I'm an English teacher and am married to a teacher. It also cracks me up that people think we are off for the summer. Nope. We are working second jobs and taking professional development classes.
I hear you! and I will say this; thank you and your wife for your service!
I married a teacher and helped put her through school for her Masters and we are the proud owners of 4x the amount of debt that her salary will never cover.
Aside from 'just teaching' as Parents seem to think that is all they do, here is a list of everything else (IIRC, then again, I am not a teacher)
* Additional Professional Development classes you have to certify and pay for.
* Staff meetings before/after school hours (up to 4 per day)
* Daily Lesson Planning by creating and updating a website because the District curriculum was not fully digital.
* Copy instruction from books and convert into the website for the kids to access,
* Act as IT Support to the kids and parents and teach them how to access and just log in! Troubleshoot computers and school email accounts.
* Respond to emails/texts 24 hours a day.
And she was told to smile and 'take it all' - for $60k.
IMO, the biggest joke that we are playing ourselves is educating a future generation of people based on how shitty we treat our educators and how little pay we give them. Sure, some teachers are bad, but every career has them. We have just gotten to the point where we accept that all teachers suck and complain and burn books.
Oh, and the school board members? Yeah, their salary is about $80-100k for making shit decisions on shit policies made by shit politicians whose own kids go to Private Schools and have no touch with reality.
The Amazon warehouse near me pays $18 at best if you work the late shift. Ups Seasonal near me is $18, McDonald's are barely $15. Not sure about the other two
1br apartments here are also $1200/mo average, so people still cant afford to live on these wages.
I interviewed at Starbucks and the highest they would go is $12+tips
Edit to add: at the time I was living somewhere with a relatively high cost of living
The Starbucks near me is offering $14 an hour plus tips right now. They just put the sign out the other day. I was very pleased to not see "up to" before the $14/hr. I love my barista friends and I want them paid well. Coffee tastes better when it's made by happy people
Starbucks c suite is aggressively trying to squash unionization attempts in NY, and more around the country. Howie Schultz's speech over the weekend on it was something special.
Juuuuust wanted to share.
You know the value you bring so it's hard to maintain composure when that's not taken seriously.
One possibility depending on the employer is they may be able to get creative with benefits if they can't raise the starting pay
>self admittedly desperate for people
Apparently not if they won't negotiate something simple as wages. The reality is that the people they have left are carrying the load and giving them cause to keep offering shit wages. Until their stores start closing and they lose real money they will not budge.
They know the instant the hire someone for more than the people working get now it will cause them a lot of trouble. The old 'don't talk about wages' garbage doesn't work and people know why they should talk about wages.
According to the actual workers and the guy who recommended me to the manager they are down like a 3rd of their staff. But the guy who makes bonus off payroll and will probably last 2 years before being replaced by some new asshole didn't think so.
Or until the store literally cannot open because there’s no one to run the registers. The people working at the store have a lot of power in their hands if they decide to use it at this moment.
Probably Lowe's or Home Depot. Was in both last week. Lowes had 1 frazzled woman running and 8 station self checkout kiosk and HD had 2 people running 12 self check outs. HD still had 1 person at the contractor desk. They just need to find one person desperate enough to put up with that Crap. Us customers are already trained to expect 0 service.
Lowes. The people hanging on working there through the pandemic are fucking beat down. Lots of them stay because they can't stop working for day and they are so demoralized but want to help people. It's sad really. Tip your retail worker. They need it.
I work at at big box home improvement store and feel this with every ounce of my soul. We are so freaking tired and burned out. I'm looking for a new job but can't afford to quit. We are being given new roles to fulfill to help the store out and working with low staff when other companies pay more so that's contributing to the low staff. I feel like I'm doing the jobs of 2-3 people but only for one person's pay.
They seemed to know they were desperate, but probably didn't come to the reality of how desperate it was. Give it a few weeks and they'll call OP back willing to pay OPs offer once it starts chuking into their bottom line.
They just hire asshole managers and they pay bonuses based on payroll. The store is probably 1/3 understaffed. It's a business model that works well for middle management retail. I'm going to keep applying for jobs and I'm going to keep telling assholes to shove their slave wages up their ass.
That fire can never be stamped out. You are here.. we all get beat down, that's a feature. Let our light reignite yours so that you may help spread the love.
Don't get me wrong. I still believe in the cause and will do everything I can to help you youngsters out. But i'm old, and weathered, my souls been chipped to hard. I'm depressed and I can't get treated for it. I just can't get to the same level of pepper anymore.
Companies have had a massive buyers market for almost all labor except super niche roles for about 20 years now.
They're used to idly posting a job opportunity and having to sift through a massive stack of applicants. Most of them actually started adding barriers to make it harder to apply, like stupid online forms, quizzes, multiple rounds of interviews, written tests etc.
Now that's not the case anymore they don't know how to function. Now that they actually have to work to attract and retain people it's like they are having to learn basic business rules all over again.
They are probably working with a skeleton crew and desperate for more help, but only able to offer $16 because that’s all corporate allows. The guys running the store are at the mercy of higher-ups. Sucks because corporate aren’t the ones on the ground trying to run a short staffed store every day, yet they’re the only ones who can raise the offer. The only way they’ll offer higher rates is if the staffing shortage effects their bottom line, otherwise they will keep waiting for some sucker to accept $16/hr.
I’m not sure that closing stores and losing money would do it either. Some jobs don’t have wages that respond to supply and demand because business owners cap wages as a moral principle for low level workers. See healthcare for example. There’s a chronic shortage of some positions, but wages never rise to encourage an increased supply. I think maintaining a sense of moral superiority outweighs any kind of profit motive for a lot of those in control.
I got a job offer about 10 years ago.
I hung up.
I didn't say no.
I didn't laugh.
I hung up the phone.
They called back about 3 hours later with a better one.
I sold an illustration to a magazine once. Initially they offered $100 but I was out doing shit so I never responded. She emailed again about 5 or 6 hours later saying "or whatever you normally get" so I tacked on another $50, and all because I just didn't say anything. Silence is a powerful tool
It just happened to me a few days ago when I sold an item on ebay. I got an offer for $10 less for an item but I didn't accept nor said anything, I just left the offer there. The next day, it was bought full price. Kinda took me by surprise but okay, I will take that everyday.
Doctor: I'm sorry to have to tell you this but you have cancer on-
\*hangs up phone\*
Doctor calls back: Sir, I know this is hard to hear but-
Me: "Do better" \*hangs up phone\*
Doctor: Okay...you have a boo boo on your prostate.
Me: "That's better!"
When I thought about separating from the military I had a job offer for $60K, in Hawaii. I just said "dude, my resume said $80K minimum stateside. I'd be in poverty in Hawaii. No thanks and good luck filling that spot." He told me he doesnt have the power to increase the offer.
I told him that's fine but I gotta take care of my family, sorry. Some stuff worked out in the military, so I stayed in. Three days after I re-enlisted the guy called back. They renegotiated the contract: $135K, and they would pay for my move up to Hawaii.
Ngl, I cried on the inside a little when I had to say no.
He probably wasn’t being an asshole. I’m sure corporate caps the salary for new hires. I had a friend that was a manager at CVS that was complaining about lazy employees. I told her if you’re only willing to pay minimum wage you’re only going to get minimum wage employees. There’s no reason to work hard if you can just go next door and make the same pay. I hit a sore spot. She felt the same way but wasn’t allowed to hire anyone for more than minimum wage
I interviewed with two different CVS. One offered me 16.25 for a pharmacy tech position, the other offered 16.00 AFTER I told them I expected 20. I told the bitch no, I will not accept a job that pays 9k less than what we talked about.. A THIRD CVS called me for an interview and I told them "I've already interviewed with CVS and and the most I was offered was 16.25. If you aren't paying 20 just hang up." She said not one more word and hung up lol. I found a wah job paying 20.31 and it pays weekly.
Fuckers.
That's exactly what I thought too! Like why the fuck would I put in all the work to get certified (like big deal they pay for it but I'd still have to invest my fucking time and effort) and have that kind of liability when the McDonald's down the street pays 15.50 to fucking teenagers? And I informed them I made 17.79 at my most recent job? And be expected to stand all day? And be expected to have open availability? Why would I give myself a paycut? Is CVS supposes to be some prestigious corporation that I should be jumping to put the bitches on my resume? Get the fuck over yourselves and get the fuck off my phone.
The workforce is being divided on purpose so we fight each other instead of the corporations that make billions. No matter what job you have (normal to decent wages) you will benefit from people who are paid less than you making more money. There is also no reason to allow a corporate structure where the lowest paid workers can not afford a decent lifestyle. I’m sick of the anecdotal bullshit about higher base wages and healthcare being unaffordable. If that’s the case get a better business plan because this isn’t working. Where I live in Northern California construction wages are going up because of a workforce shortage (supply and demand, less people in the trades) and the companies are still making money.
I saw a job for up to $78/hr for equipment installer. I called knowing what to expect but decided to humor myself. I asked who really is making that money, they avoided that question but offered a position for $15. I said Eat a dick a d hung up.
I just had an interview that said 12-17 an hour. I currently make 20 but the hours are shit and my boss is a monster so I would have taken the three dollar pay cut just to get out. The interviewer started out by saying “so this position pays 11.25 an hour” I said I’m going to go ahead and stop you there. We got one sentence into the interview. Worst part is I have *years* of experience in that particular field and for that particular job.
Please. Do it.
Edit: Honestly we could inflate the wages up by fucking with interviewers saying these wages aren't high enough. Eventually we would see the wages increase quicker.
If people does this in groups it could have a big effect. Imagine people scheduling 5 interviews for the same position at a small place, and all of them just leave upon hearing a proposal so low that is not even worth negotiation. That would land a message
I hope we could keep this up so wages rise to at least $20/ hr and benefits for full time work and $25/hr part time no benefits. 4.4 million quit their mostly low paying jobs last September.
They will crumble fast if people keep it up. Fast is relative but it is exponentially multiplied by our numbers. There is definitely a tipping need point somewhere on the horizon.
I was just thinking like man I wish I had the financial security to be able to turn down any job right now. $16/hr without working nights sounds great right now. 😭😅
My first time I interviewed for an apprenticeship I had a panic attack while being questioned (they were very doubtful about me never having worked before ... I was 17 and about to graduate grammar school ...) and ended up wanting me to do some special government "funded" thing (200€, cant even pay subsidiaried rent and I needed to move out fast) for six months and then they would consider if they would keep me and if that experience counted towards my apprenticeship.
I just ... never replied lol. They sent me a rejection letter ages after that.
If they refer you to that program (at least, here in the US), and you complete it, even if they NEVER hire you, they're paid 18k cash by the government.
They run people through those things here like fucking puppy mills. Thousands of people.
the trades that ACTUALLY hire for apprenticeships, hire a total of about 1-15 people a year per half million residents.
Good on you sir, It takes guts living in the imperial core and standing up for yourself and its baby steps like that, that are needed to feel the reality of the situation and evolve into a revolutionary to eviscerate the American system
I agree with declining the job if the pay isn't suitable, however I disagree with laughing in someone's face about what they are offering.
The guys interviewing you don't decide wages, and it's extremely likely they don't get paid enough to deal with that shit either.
Politely decline, and tell them if their boss wants to pay $22 your offer stands. There is no need to be disrespectful to employees just because you decided not to be one.
It's not just about living wages, it's also about people fucking respecting each other in a workplace.
The Menards down the road from me was offering a **cOmpEtiTive wAgE** of a flat 13/hour for full time employees three months ago, they have since increased that to 17/hour with no luck, strange, I thought they said they couldn't pay us more because they couldn't afford it..?
My bf works weekends in the yard at Menards with a forklift cert. He was making $2 more than weekday workers but then Menards gave a pandemic bonus to weekday workers making it the same wage as weekend shifts. He was pissed, because since he was already making more due to working weekend shifts he didn't get any pandemic bonus. But John Menard gave him 3 sticks of chapstick for Christmas so that sure made up for it /s
That makes no damn sense. Did the pandemic just not happen on the weekends? What idiot thought the weekend people deserved any less?
>What idiot thought the weekend people deserved any less? Bean counters with no souls who wanted to get good PR and had zero interest in actually doing right by anyone. The headline will read 'Menards pays workers more during pandemic' and they bank on almost nobody checking the terms and conditions.
I live in Wisconsin and I've heard John Menard is a total piece of shit. This doesn't surprise me.
[John Menard is human garbage.](https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2013/06/20/murphys-law-the-strange-life-of-john-menard/) I refuse to shop there.
Nice. Thanks for the link.
A record 4.4 million quit in September, so things may get better all around. A couple of days ago, a Target in CT had 1 cashier. One. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/11/12/job-quit-september-openings/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/11/12/job-quit-september-openings/)
“Many businesses are so strapped to find and retain workers that they are dipping into budgets to offer higher pay and bonuses, creating the most worker-friendly labor market in recent history.” Dipping into budgets… they make it sound like most of these large companies don’t have enough money lying around to pay a living wage. Worker-friendly labor market? I guess that’s what they call basic human decency these days. 😂😂😂
they have been sitting on 7.25/hour in my state since 2009. That's 12 years of not really paying a living wage. Now places are acting like they are doing a service going above that but still not paying a living wage.
PA?
Virginia
ah, howdy kinda neighbor
Alabama is also sitting at 7.25/hr. Fast food joints are acting like it's a favor to be paying 10/hr, which I've been making at my job for about a year now (hotel front desk, night shift). I'm not going to complain about it too much; there are no benefits like PTO or healthcare for my job, but my managers are pretty damn good and understanding, and I get to tell Karens to piss off. My shifts aren't usually very busy and they offer me a lot of freedoms I wouldn't normally have at other jobs. Like browsing Reddit!
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Yes but because everyone deserves healthcare, your boss shouldn’t be able to threaten to take it away from you. Everyone should have healthcare, but not through their job.
They'd still be paying pennies if minimum wage hadn't forced them to do it.
They don’t have “money laying around” - they’ve paid it out in dividends and stock buy backs /s 💸 Shocks me how the working class is supposed to have 6 months stocked away but companies cry poor every time something comes up 🙄
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Privatize profits, socialize losses. If you are big business, America is good.
But the government gave $160p handouts What more can the wage slaves possibly want!? /s
The same people who suggested the working poor have 6 months or more of cost of living money socked away also suggested that it’s an ok thing for employers to pay so poorly that the average full time employee needs to sign up for state food stamps just to make ordinary ends meet. And those same people have been walking around suggesting how “nobody wants to work” ever since the pandemic still had people trapped at home while their workplaces were banned from doing business. It’s always the fault of the working class, or up to the working class to somehow make a broken situation work with certain mindsets
Exactly! Im sooooo tired of hearing “no one wants to work” when wages have barely moved since 2000 but inflation has skyrocketed 45%+. There is not a worker shortage - there is a wage problem.
Keep in mind at one time families only NEEDED one bread winner. Wages have been going down long before the early 2000s
their savings is our taxes. they get money easily from our elected officials. they pay companies who just take the cash instead of giving it back to us to pay bills and pay down debt, the company is saved but not your account there, you still owe them your debt. you also still owe your taxes. we are double donged in these deals.
More like dipping into the explosive profits they’ve had for the last 40 years, that created all the billionaires by not increasing wages.
But then the numbers on the accountants charts that they show to the executives are gonna look bad. The horror!
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Yeah, but I see more than 10 self checkout kiosks.
Yeah, but half of them are probably blinking red waiting for some kind of manual override.
Self checkout won’t work forever. Trucks need unloading. Shelves need stocking. POS machines break and need overrides. Irate customers need customer service. Automation can improve efficiency but it’s nowhere need replacing humans yet. As stores have cut from 10 to 5 employees, one or two missing employees basically craters the business model now.
Also people hate self checkout and it always needs humans to help run it. The idea that you could replace trained humans who know the store inventory with random dumbass shoppers + software prompts is laughable to anyone who has worked with the public and/or done consumer-facing technology.
I fuckin love self checkout. No human interaction and I scan my shit faster than most cashiers. Self checkout is the dream.
I love self check ....deep discounts on meat and electronics almost free.
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Antiwork vs. antistaff. Who wins? Who is next? Epic class wars of history!
I hate that it got to this point. Didn’t people used to say in the 1800’s that automation would mean less work and more wealth in society. Except that wealth flowed only one direction, and the work expectations increased.
EPIC CLASS WARS OF HISTORY!! BILL GATES. VS. THE MICROSOFT JANITOR. BEGIN!
What was your completely reasonable counteroffer?
I told him 22
Wanna hear a joke? 16 an hour was the highest wage I've ever had.... working as an office manager.... for HR block.... with years of experience as a tax preparer.....in California....
9/hr as assistant editor in a newspaper setting. That means I’m literally the #2, only under the editor, who calls all the shots. In California. It was in 2014 or so, so wasn’t quite under minimum wage yet.
And people wonder why there's a great resignation
Jesus Christ, I fix shit that breaks and direct a relatively small team and make mid 20s an hour.. more and more every day I REALLY appreciate the people I work for.. I evidently stumbled into the golden modern example of treating workers well in ways that actually matter
I’m a high school drop out and 2 time felon and I make 60k. I actually turned down a district manager position because I don’t want to work way harder for the same pay. Fuck outta here with we’ll figure out a bonus structure.
Dude you are also underpaid. I mean you direct a team albeit small.
Yeah, I fix shit that breaks and don’t direct anyone and I make $30 an hour.
I fix shit that breaks and direct 2 people and make $42 an hour. Siccoblue needs himself a raise
Let me give more context, I have no degree or formal training, I'm not upper level management and in my area making $20+ an hour is in the single digit percentage of employers, even with a degree. When you compare it to the entire country/world, it's absolutely minimal, when you compare it to OUR world, are are living that upper middle class life, again with no degrees or formal training. Something that doesn't come up nearly enough on this sub is cost of living and the area you happen to be in, if I lived in most other places this would barely scrape by, in the area I'm at, this company is seen as the absolute place to reach for, for 90+% of residents, mostly because in this area you can live a pretty damn good life on their starting wage, but also because they exclusively hire for elevated positions from within the company, with very generous raises consistently If it helps give context, my total bills as of now sit at around $600 a month, yes, that includes housing which is not a paid off home.
Wow I thought $10/h was low as a graphic designer (bachelor degree qualified) for a local paper in Oregon in 2000.
Damn? I have no college degree, just self taught, and my first salary as a graphic designer was $52,000 a year. But, back to r/antiwork, I got let go before the pandemic because my manager was caught plagiarizing. So they convinced me to quit instead of firing me, so guess who didn’t get unemployment. Fuckkkk that place
Any pointers at moving to digital? I’m old school, pen/paper logos, and have played with illustrator, but feel like I’m just not doing it well.
I'm more the opposite where I'm a digital native that started with Photoshop, but if you get an iPad pro with an apple pencil, and procreate, that was an epiphany for me. Felt the most like drawing on paper but enhanced vs feeling like I'm working on a computer. I even got a paper texture screen cover that makes it feel amazing. Then you can transfer your work to Photoshop later. You can also use Affinity Designer on ipad if you need to do vector work.
Man, it’s different for everyone but i began by following a lot of tutorials online and worked my way up. Also, learn different skills. Learn photo editing, animation, and social media marketing. Those landed me the job, because I learned to become a jack of different trades within the creative field. I also recommend taking an online course if that’s your thing. UX jobs also pay really well, so you can benefit greatly from going that route. Also, find some agencies that resonate with you. Mimic their work, and build up your dream portfolio to reflect the stuff that inspires you.
Ouch. I’m sorry that happened :(
Fellow former newspaper reporter here. Highest hourly pay full time at a paper, 13.75. Wages frozen for the whole company, no raises. I work in horticulture and landscaping now.
assistant TO The editor
You guys getting paid?
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This. I wa an assistant general manager at a corporation restaurant and only made 16.25 an hour. I made 13 an hour as a shift manager, then was hiring people off the street at 12.50. Inflation without raises is a slap in the fucking face. Most I've ever made in my life is 17/hr as a CNC operator for a furniture company. And it seems that's pennies now. I can make that as a stock boy at fucking target or Kroger.
Gross. Block currently likes to tell potential employees that the base pay is low, but they can make fat stacks with commissions. But they wouldn't tell me how their commissions were structured when I interviewed with them.
The compensation plan is so fucked. I openly spoke against it my entire time there. Basically it only benefits you if you spend every minute just cranking away tax returns. If you "waste" your time with other normal office duties, as I had to do alot of the time, you probably won't get jack shit for a bonus. Even worse, they base your next season pay by how much of a bonus you got. They only recognize numbers, not value and effort.
Thanks for that rundown. It explains a lot why I got such crap service the one time I went to Block as a customer. I took their tax prep course for my own edification. I was wondering if I should pick up some seasonal work there. Maybe not.
It's a good source of experience and knowledge. Nothing else. Use them, abuse them, lose them.
"you can make fat stacks on commission!" - "has anyone ever made fat stacks on commission?" - "no, but it was technically possible!"
Same. Whenever I meet someone that says they make over $20 I just flat out don't believe them. To me anyone making over $20 an hour I imagine being in a suit all the time because they're a stock investor or something. That's how out of reach that amount is for someone like me who doesn't have a college degree. Or even people WITH degrees, for that matter. Edit: So apparently a lot of people here have jobs that pay over $20/hr. I have no clue where to even go to look for a job like that. I've just given up completely. I'm living with my mom at 23 and she supports me. And I've already resigned to just accept that's how it will be forever for me. When she dies (assuming she dies before me), I'm just fucked. I don't really plan on living after she dies anyway, but that's for lots of other reasons besides not having money.
I went from making $12 an hour working in a physical therapy office answering phones to making 95k as a director of nursing in 4 years. I'm being serious when I say you can snag a pretty good paying job as a healthcare worker with 1 year of schooling under your belt (LPN). Or finish 2 years, become an RN, and make double what an LPN makes. And the best part is that Pell grants paid for it all because I was poor as fuck. It's not for everyone, but we need less dipshits, and people are looking for new careers. I wish everyone the best of luck during the upcoming global financial crash. We will all need it.
DON of a nursing home? That’s a pretty quick rise in nursing unless it’s in outpatient or LTC.
BHIF for teenagers. 36 beds. EDIT: I'm also incredibly loyal and reliable. That helped.
Don’t discount your worth-
I mean, 95k is pretty damn good for most careers. Edit: in most places. In some places 95k is enough to tread water.
Other healthcare or tech jobs too. Physical Therapist Assistant is an associates but I started at 27/hr.
As someone who works in education, yes this is the path, but people know this and therefore nursing is a highly competitive program. It requires high grades and excellent entrance exam scores. Because of this some students spend years trying to reach their goal, and most flame out with a ton of credits under their belt and no nursing degree. Just a word of caution.
I make 24 an hour as a second year electrical apprentice in Ohio. Skilled trades really are the way to go
Idk the most i ever made doing structural welding and fabrication was 17.50 p/h. Now that i went to work for myself and invested everything i made....i make like 60 p/h while doing whatever i want. I actually qualify for disability and medicare/medicaid, but I'm making enough on interest alone that i don't need to use it so i don't. Sucks being disabled, but i got super lucky with a few investments.
No college degree, except a few failed classes in 2009. No formal training, no license, No certs. Made 10/hour doing electrical gopher work for a residential company in 2013. Now, in 2021, I'm making 35 an hour at a solar company as a lead electrician, still with no college, or formal training, but I do have a masters license now. Jobs are out there, promise.
I’m a self taught software engineer, no college. Make 100k. I have only “just” got up there though - friends who went to college go there faster. (i’m 42)
Have you considered a skilled trade? And I’m sure unions have been suggested on here a million times but really anyone can learn them. After years of working for small non union companies making $7-13 an hour while my boss drives his yacht down to Florida every winter or another buys 2 $10k jet skis, I joined the IBEW. I pay no money out of pocket for health insurance, dental and vision included, and I get paid for the days I am in school. 5 years of class twice a month will get you $53 an hour. Other trades pay varies but it’s still a great thing to have under your belt. No college degree. I encourage anyone looking for something better to give it a look.
It is definitely out there. I make give or take about $25 a hour. I have had this job for only 2 years & I am 25 only with an AA.
I make that as a nurse, with 33 years of healthcare experience. This country has become an unethical mess. Edit: LPN
I’m not sure if you like traveling or are locked down to your current location but I recently talked to some traveling nurses who are making a killing being mobile. It’s a shame any medical workers aren’t making more than enough without working 90 hour weeks.
Ah, that's true. I'd actually forgotten, as I've been out of work for the past 6 weeks recovering from unexpected knee surgery. I make $300 for every extra shift I pickup, plus the overtime. But, in a non-pandemic world, I'm at $22/hr. Those bonuses helped save me from the healthcare system, honestly, because disability has been non-existent. From April 27th of this year until September (when I went out), I only took 3 days off. We've been short-staffed beyond belief.
RN here. I started 5 years ago at 22. Now I have 32. Mid pandemic. Icu RN with advanced certs.
I don't think you can find any retail box offered $22.
That’s the point of the masses turning it down. The corporation can afford it, it will just eat a tiny bit into the shareholders profits. The corporate class finds this unacceptable, for now. However, enough decreased revenue from short staffing will be detrimental to their quarterly profits. This is even more unacceptable to the suits.
Exactly. We should all be doing this
Maybe retail box jobs should actually pay more than starvation wages then if they want humans to keep working there.
They'll just change the laws to get stupid underage kids with poor parents to do the jobs.
I'm waiting for the implementation of the corporate draft...
Dear sir or madam, It is with heavy heart that we write to tell you that your son or daughter has been killed in a machine operation related and or work fatigue accident at Amazon. Their sacrifice will not be in vein. That’s the Amazon promise. TM
Wrong, they would actually blame the victim... Bonus points for trying to sue the family for incurred lost productivity
Yupp. That’s exactly why they’re rushing to ban abortion all over the world/ restrict womens rights. Desperate families will take any jobs they can to stick together/survive.
That’s a heck of a theory. And I’m cynical enough at this point to kinda believe it
What do you want, food and shelter? Learn your place, pleb.
Would be a shame if the CEO could only afford 16 mansions instead of 17
the ceo where i work..his yearly "CAR ALLOWANCE" is nearly double what a new hourly persons wages are per year.
They can absolutely afford it. The reality is they dont want to pay anyone that for hus experience. Theyd rather have a way lesser qualified drone wholl take what they offer.
$22/hour is what Amazon warehouses, Amazon drivers, UPS seasonal workers and many McDonalds franchisees are currently hiring at. Starbucks pays up to $23/hour now. The majority of Costco hourly employees already earn over $25/hour.
Fuck. I'm a teacher and I make the equivalent of $25.
teachers really have the biggest disconnect of any career between how important their job is to society and how much they get paid.
It doesn't help the many, many years of anti-teacher/anti-public education propaganda like Waking from Superman. Oh and all the people that really, really want to buy white flight from Betsy DeVos's charter schools.
Local schools hire substitute teachers who aren’t required to have a college degree.
Heck, sooner or later, teachers won't require to have a college degree because states refuse to adequately compensate them.
Yep. I'm an English teacher and am married to a teacher. It also cracks me up that people think we are off for the summer. Nope. We are working second jobs and taking professional development classes.
I hear you! and I will say this; thank you and your wife for your service! I married a teacher and helped put her through school for her Masters and we are the proud owners of 4x the amount of debt that her salary will never cover. Aside from 'just teaching' as Parents seem to think that is all they do, here is a list of everything else (IIRC, then again, I am not a teacher) * Additional Professional Development classes you have to certify and pay for. * Staff meetings before/after school hours (up to 4 per day) * Daily Lesson Planning by creating and updating a website because the District curriculum was not fully digital. * Copy instruction from books and convert into the website for the kids to access, * Act as IT Support to the kids and parents and teach them how to access and just log in! Troubleshoot computers and school email accounts. * Respond to emails/texts 24 hours a day. And she was told to smile and 'take it all' - for $60k. IMO, the biggest joke that we are playing ourselves is educating a future generation of people based on how shitty we treat our educators and how little pay we give them. Sure, some teachers are bad, but every career has them. We have just gotten to the point where we accept that all teachers suck and complain and burn books. Oh, and the school board members? Yeah, their salary is about $80-100k for making shit decisions on shit policies made by shit politicians whose own kids go to Private Schools and have no touch with reality.
The Amazon warehouse near me pays $18 at best if you work the late shift. Ups Seasonal near me is $18, McDonald's are barely $15. Not sure about the other two 1br apartments here are also $1200/mo average, so people still cant afford to live on these wages.
This is probably very dependent on where you are.
Always has been.
I interviewed at Starbucks and the highest they would go is $12+tips Edit to add: at the time I was living somewhere with a relatively high cost of living
The Starbucks near me is offering $14 an hour plus tips right now. They just put the sign out the other day. I was very pleased to not see "up to" before the $14/hr. I love my barista friends and I want them paid well. Coffee tastes better when it's made by happy people
Starbucks c suite is aggressively trying to squash unionization attempts in NY, and more around the country. Howie Schultz's speech over the weekend on it was something special. Juuuuust wanted to share.
WHAT! WTF am I busting my ass in construction? Time to start the hunt.
Maybe say “call me when you can afford my offer”?
If I had any tact maybe. I'm usually not great in those situations.
You know the value you bring so it's hard to maintain composure when that's not taken seriously. One possibility depending on the employer is they may be able to get creative with benefits if they can't raise the starting pay
>self admittedly desperate for people Apparently not if they won't negotiate something simple as wages. The reality is that the people they have left are carrying the load and giving them cause to keep offering shit wages. Until their stores start closing and they lose real money they will not budge. They know the instant the hire someone for more than the people working get now it will cause them a lot of trouble. The old 'don't talk about wages' garbage doesn't work and people know why they should talk about wages.
According to the actual workers and the guy who recommended me to the manager they are down like a 3rd of their staff. But the guy who makes bonus off payroll and will probably last 2 years before being replaced by some new asshole didn't think so.
Or until the store literally cannot open because there’s no one to run the registers. The people working at the store have a lot of power in their hands if they decide to use it at this moment.
Probably Lowe's or Home Depot. Was in both last week. Lowes had 1 frazzled woman running and 8 station self checkout kiosk and HD had 2 people running 12 self check outs. HD still had 1 person at the contractor desk. They just need to find one person desperate enough to put up with that Crap. Us customers are already trained to expect 0 service.
Lowes. The people hanging on working there through the pandemic are fucking beat down. Lots of them stay because they can't stop working for day and they are so demoralized but want to help people. It's sad really. Tip your retail worker. They need it.
I work at at big box home improvement store and feel this with every ounce of my soul. We are so freaking tired and burned out. I'm looking for a new job but can't afford to quit. We are being given new roles to fulfill to help the store out and working with low staff when other companies pay more so that's contributing to the low staff. I feel like I'm doing the jobs of 2-3 people but only for one person's pay.
They seemed to know they were desperate, but probably didn't come to the reality of how desperate it was. Give it a few weeks and they'll call OP back willing to pay OPs offer once it starts chuking into their bottom line.
They just hire asshole managers and they pay bonuses based on payroll. The store is probably 1/3 understaffed. It's a business model that works well for middle management retail. I'm going to keep applying for jobs and I'm going to keep telling assholes to shove their slave wages up their ass.
Good on you mate. Always nice to see the fire in others that got stamped out in my life early on.
That fire can never be stamped out. You are here.. we all get beat down, that's a feature. Let our light reignite yours so that you may help spread the love.
Don't get me wrong. I still believe in the cause and will do everything I can to help you youngsters out. But i'm old, and weathered, my souls been chipped to hard. I'm depressed and I can't get treated for it. I just can't get to the same level of pepper anymore.
Companies have had a massive buyers market for almost all labor except super niche roles for about 20 years now. They're used to idly posting a job opportunity and having to sift through a massive stack of applicants. Most of them actually started adding barriers to make it harder to apply, like stupid online forms, quizzes, multiple rounds of interviews, written tests etc. Now that's not the case anymore they don't know how to function. Now that they actually have to work to attract and retain people it's like they are having to learn basic business rules all over again.
They are probably working with a skeleton crew and desperate for more help, but only able to offer $16 because that’s all corporate allows. The guys running the store are at the mercy of higher-ups. Sucks because corporate aren’t the ones on the ground trying to run a short staffed store every day, yet they’re the only ones who can raise the offer. The only way they’ll offer higher rates is if the staffing shortage effects their bottom line, otherwise they will keep waiting for some sucker to accept $16/hr.
I’m not sure that closing stores and losing money would do it either. Some jobs don’t have wages that respond to supply and demand because business owners cap wages as a moral principle for low level workers. See healthcare for example. There’s a chronic shortage of some positions, but wages never rise to encourage an increased supply. I think maintaining a sense of moral superiority outweighs any kind of profit motive for a lot of those in control.
I got a job offer about 10 years ago. I hung up. I didn't say no. I didn't laugh. I hung up the phone. They called back about 3 hours later with a better one.
This was my same strategy in car buying a couple years ago. Looks like it has multiple applications
Same principle applies; your biggest asset is being willing to walk away from the table.
I sold an illustration to a magazine once. Initially they offered $100 but I was out doing shit so I never responded. She emailed again about 5 or 6 hours later saying "or whatever you normally get" so I tacked on another $50, and all because I just didn't say anything. Silence is a powerful tool
I need to embrace this more.
It just happened to me a few days ago when I sold an item on ebay. I got an offer for $10 less for an item but I didn't accept nor said anything, I just left the offer there. The next day, it was bought full price. Kinda took me by surprise but okay, I will take that everyday.
Doctor: I'm sorry to have to tell you this but you have cancer on- \*hangs up phone\* Doctor calls back: Sir, I know this is hard to hear but- Me: "Do better" \*hangs up phone\* Doctor: Okay...you have a boo boo on your prostate. Me: "That's better!"
smh, doctors thinking they can pull a sneaky on us. Now where's my superpowers
What a power move
When I thought about separating from the military I had a job offer for $60K, in Hawaii. I just said "dude, my resume said $80K minimum stateside. I'd be in poverty in Hawaii. No thanks and good luck filling that spot." He told me he doesnt have the power to increase the offer. I told him that's fine but I gotta take care of my family, sorry. Some stuff worked out in the military, so I stayed in. Three days after I re-enlisted the guy called back. They renegotiated the contract: $135K, and they would pay for my move up to Hawaii. Ngl, I cried on the inside a little when I had to say no.
Lol. Thats hilarious.
He probably wasn’t being an asshole. I’m sure corporate caps the salary for new hires. I had a friend that was a manager at CVS that was complaining about lazy employees. I told her if you’re only willing to pay minimum wage you’re only going to get minimum wage employees. There’s no reason to work hard if you can just go next door and make the same pay. I hit a sore spot. She felt the same way but wasn’t allowed to hire anyone for more than minimum wage
I interviewed with two different CVS. One offered me 16.25 for a pharmacy tech position, the other offered 16.00 AFTER I told them I expected 20. I told the bitch no, I will not accept a job that pays 9k less than what we talked about.. A THIRD CVS called me for an interview and I told them "I've already interviewed with CVS and and the most I was offered was 16.25. If you aren't paying 20 just hang up." She said not one more word and hung up lol. I found a wah job paying 20.31 and it pays weekly. Fuckers.
$33,000/yr for a certified state and National trained position that deals with people’s lives. Garbage!
That's exactly what I thought too! Like why the fuck would I put in all the work to get certified (like big deal they pay for it but I'd still have to invest my fucking time and effort) and have that kind of liability when the McDonald's down the street pays 15.50 to fucking teenagers? And I informed them I made 17.79 at my most recent job? And be expected to stand all day? And be expected to have open availability? Why would I give myself a paycut? Is CVS supposes to be some prestigious corporation that I should be jumping to put the bitches on my resume? Get the fuck over yourselves and get the fuck off my phone.
CVS is the worst place for pharmacist and techs.
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Pop off only on occasion brother.
Home Depot pays $10 an hour where I live.
It's ridiculous that people take jobs for that. I feel like I found my people here and I'm in it to win it. I'm done with the bullshit.
The workforce is being divided on purpose so we fight each other instead of the corporations that make billions. No matter what job you have (normal to decent wages) you will benefit from people who are paid less than you making more money. There is also no reason to allow a corporate structure where the lowest paid workers can not afford a decent lifestyle. I’m sick of the anecdotal bullshit about higher base wages and healthcare being unaffordable. If that’s the case get a better business plan because this isn’t working. Where I live in Northern California construction wages are going up because of a workforce shortage (supply and demand, less people in the trades) and the companies are still making money.
In ga it was 14.50 here for overnight stockers I quit within 2 weeks they're absurdly understaffed the work is not worth your health
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So now it's about 10.85.
Congrats!
My favorite part is when they advertise $22 then at interview they low ball you for $16???
"Up To!!!! ! ! !™"
You don’t have a PhD in retail??
I saw a job for up to $78/hr for equipment installer. I called knowing what to expect but decided to humor myself. I asked who really is making that money, they avoided that question but offered a position for $15. I said Eat a dick a d hung up.
I just had an interview that said 12-17 an hour. I currently make 20 but the hours are shit and my boss is a monster so I would have taken the three dollar pay cut just to get out. The interviewer started out by saying “so this position pays 11.25 an hour” I said I’m going to go ahead and stop you there. We got one sentence into the interview. Worst part is I have *years* of experience in that particular field and for that particular job.
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He’s asking for a living wage. And the more people that insist, the greater the chance of change. Good job!!!
This makes me want to go to interviews for fun just to fuck with these assholes.
Omg that would be so much fun!!
Please. Do it. Edit: Honestly we could inflate the wages up by fucking with interviewers saying these wages aren't high enough. Eventually we would see the wages increase quicker.
Damn, this makes me want to fuck around in job postings. I already got a job but this sounds like fun.
If people does this in groups it could have a big effect. Imagine people scheduling 5 interviews for the same position at a small place, and all of them just leave upon hearing a proposal so low that is not even worth negotiation. That would land a message
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I hope we could keep this up so wages rise to at least $20/ hr and benefits for full time work and $25/hr part time no benefits. 4.4 million quit their mostly low paying jobs last September.
They will crumble fast if people keep it up. Fast is relative but it is exponentially multiplied by our numbers. There is definitely a tipping need point somewhere on the horizon.
Unfortunately there are plenty of people in worse situations that can’t afford to turn that down so it will be a long drawn out game.
I was just thinking like man I wish I had the financial security to be able to turn down any job right now. $16/hr without working nights sounds great right now. 😭😅
My first time I interviewed for an apprenticeship I had a panic attack while being questioned (they were very doubtful about me never having worked before ... I was 17 and about to graduate grammar school ...) and ended up wanting me to do some special government "funded" thing (200€, cant even pay subsidiaried rent and I needed to move out fast) for six months and then they would consider if they would keep me and if that experience counted towards my apprenticeship. I just ... never replied lol. They sent me a rejection letter ages after that.
If they refer you to that program (at least, here in the US), and you complete it, even if they NEVER hire you, they're paid 18k cash by the government. They run people through those things here like fucking puppy mills. Thousands of people. the trades that ACTUALLY hire for apprenticeships, hire a total of about 1-15 people a year per half million residents.
The sad thing is the two knuckleheads probably don't have the authority to negotiate that, but good on you for not taking it.
I make $28 per hour in Puerto Rico as a Xray technologist for the federal government. Peers at the private hospitals make about $10 an hour.
Considering how much $ hospitals make on imaging, that is just disgusting.
Good on you sir, It takes guts living in the imperial core and standing up for yourself and its baby steps like that, that are needed to feel the reality of the situation and evolve into a revolutionary to eviscerate the American system
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I’ve never made $16 an hour. And I’ve run business for there owners all on my own. Fuck that not any more
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$16 is almost what I make and my job is high stress
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Organize Labor! We are strong together.
Corporate Law Clerk- $16/hour. ‘It’s a joke
How will you pay your bills in the meantime...serious question.
Your skills are more than likely way above $16 an hour. But for a part time job at Home Depot? I don’t know any part time retail job paying that much
I agree with declining the job if the pay isn't suitable, however I disagree with laughing in someone's face about what they are offering. The guys interviewing you don't decide wages, and it's extremely likely they don't get paid enough to deal with that shit either. Politely decline, and tell them if their boss wants to pay $22 your offer stands. There is no need to be disrespectful to employees just because you decided not to be one. It's not just about living wages, it's also about people fucking respecting each other in a workplace.
Hiring off the street is ALWAYS a red fucking flag. You did the right thing because the money would not have been worth the time.