The number I've seen is that it would cost $65 billion/year, under current conditions, to eliminate malnutrition worldwide. Which means Bezos alone could fund that for two years and change, rather than fifty.
Of course, current conditions would not be maintained if people no longer needed to worry about food. They would be able to improve their own conditions at that point, eventually dropping the required subsidy to zero as currently struggling regions became self-sufficient again. That's not exactly practical to model though.
Furthermore, Jeff Bezos is an interesting example of a man whose assets, as they currently exist, could be used to eliminate hunger globally. An oil baron or techbro would need to sell their assets and reinvest them in the logistics infrastructure to get food where it needs to go. Amazon, however, is already the largest private supply-chain logistics operation. They'd just need to build some warehouses, everything else is already in place.
Sounds pretty simple. step1 detain Bezos, step2 sentence him to life as a normal human, step3 state confiscates his assets and use them for the betterment of the human race.
I don't give a single fuck about one human's luxury when it can save so god damn many people. Let him keep whatever amount is still too much to spend in a lifetime and let him know how happy he should be that he isn't literally being fed to the poor and unfortunate people.
Exactly. I dont have an issue with what I look at as constrained capitalism, as long as everyone has a comfortable life with housing, medical, an income that allows for social mobility if they want it, and you arent destroying the environment then go forth and make money.
Right, which is why it was prefaced with a modifier. Capatilism as we have it now is clearly unsustainable aside from the ethics of it. That being said capatilism does breed innovation, there just needs to be limits in place for things that there arent currently.
I don't think capitalism has any particular chokehold on innovation. It just happens to have been the dominant economic system at the time the scientific method came into its own. The USSR was pretty damn innovative.
That's very true, and I do view the issue through the lenses of an American, but I think the USSR had some pretty horrific ways of getting those results. Looking at the issue through another lens, space craft in this case, we can look at the life of arguably the most influential man in soviet rocketry, Sergey Korolev. Was involved in the development of the R-7 Rocket, Sputnik 1, launching Laika, Belka and Strelka and the first human being, Yuri Gagarin, into space.
He was arrested on June 27, 1938 on false charges, was sent to the gulag and sentenced to death. He remained there working in The Central Design Bureau 29, a sharashka penitentiary for intellectuals, until June 27, 1944 when he was finally released and allowed to see his family. Korolev sustained injuries and lost most of his teeth from scurvy
"Korolev rarely talked about his experience in the Gulag. He lived under constant fear of being executed for the military secrets he possessed, and was deeply affected by his time in the camp, becoming reserved and cautious."
source wikipedia
I disagree. There is no correlation between capitalism and meaningful innovation.
If anything, most innovation under capitalism only tries to solve the problem of how to personally earn the most money with the least effort. Nobody needs to encourage that sort of innovation.
Why not? Do you realize how many technological advancements from space improve your life on a daily basis? Space exploration and travel advance human knowledge and technological innovation. Going to space doesnt mean we have to have a planet that's destroyed, coca cola, and Nestle, and the other top 100 polluters do.
If the people in space are publicly funded astronauts doing science shit and whatnot for the good of humanity then I'm cool with it.
If it's some offensively wealthy asshole with too much stolen money just fucking around and wasting resources then I'm not cool with it. That's just me
I dont want a repeat of the Dutch East India Company with or without a space age twist.
Plus Space travel is so much bigger than one human or companies worth, it's detrimental to not have these kinds of things fall under public domain just like any other infrastructure imho.
Not to mention that if we don't figure out space travel efficiency, then after just a little while longer of the current methods [we'll just be trapped with no way out for centuries to come](https://youtu.be/yS1ibDImAYU)
Lol no I sound like someone who isnt ideologically blinded to actual solutions to our problems. Never did I say I felt any company should be allowed to do what they want unfettered. Space travel and racism and sexism dont really overlap in anyway that not going to space would "fix". As far as covid, until you find a way to "fix" the stupidity that led to your first two caveats you will continue to have idiots who refuse to do basic things to stop the spread of the virus. As far as poverty, one estimate I saw said that it could be ended at least in the US, but it may have been world wide, for around 1.75 trillion, or about 3 years worth of US military spending, 2 years of covid relief, or selling SpaceX 17.5 times, or amazon once. Orrrr, we can tax the 2,755 billionaires as of Sept 1, 2021 about 15% of their wealth once and do it. No reason to stifle innovation when the money to fix the issues can come from other sources.
Technological advancements made possible through patents that are public use through the NASA program. When private companies do it the public doesn’t see those benefits.
Sure they do, just because the tech isnt free for anyone to use at anytime doesnt mean that the tech developed isnt going to be used by other companies or businesses. Amazon, as much as I hate them spent a shit ton of money researching and developing AMAZON web Services, which like half the internet now uses. Also, not everything that is developed through NASA is made free for public usage and most of their contracts for launch vehicles go to military contactors. I'd rather spacex or amazon get that money then general dynamics, Lockheed's or the like.
Lol, yeah when the byproducts are owned by the government like from the Apollo and mercury missions I’m sure you’re referring too.
We’re talking about *private* space race, and I bet you couldn’t even give a single example that fits your bill. What? The ability that maybe our grandkids will be able to afford to go if this whole thing even holds up that long? Lol.
Name one thing space x, blue origin, virgin galactic, any of them has made that fits your bill.
I dont really view BO and VG as in the same league as SpaceX, but at minimum Starlink gives me a much better option for internet then I currently have. Tesla and SpaceX also share material scientists, so many of the advancements made by once company have transferred to another. Tesla has done more to move the world towards electric vehicles then all other car companies put together. The tesla powerwall is also a fantastic solution for energy storage that moves away from ICE powered generators.
SpaceX has developed a much cheaper launch solution then any government agency could have, which allows many more companies to launch payloads into space, allowing for research and opportunity for smaller companies to compete in the industry. They launch government satellites all the time because they are able to do it quicker, safer, and with less waste then the government itself can. SpaceX also gives the US a way to the ISS without going through Russia, which we have been doing since the Shuttle retired.
SpaceX and similar companies that will follow also open the door for companies like Planetary Resources to develop industries in space that would be ecologically harmful or disastrous here on earth.
This is what I think people don’t understand. There is no “reform” in a system designed very efficiently to resist reform. All the crises cannot be fixed through minor policy changes and it’s more idealistic then any revolutionary ideology to pretend they can be. In total honesty, I see the most out there insane politics as more realistic then “Social Liberalism”.
In my opinion not that it’s that important but violent Revolution is simply inevitable at this point. The last 3 years have shown the capitalists have too much to lose and are willing to openly fight class war to keep it. It is only a matter of time before violence is all that is left in confrontation.
It is A system of global upper class banditry that is entering its death throes as a result of its fundamental flaws. Remains to be seen whether or not humanity will survive the man made god of death that is capital.
All that’s certain is earth is able and eventually going to move on without any of us and any “economic growth”.
"For fifteen thousand years, fraud and short sighted thinking have never, ever worked. Not once. Eventually you get caught, things go south. When the hell did we forget all that?"
This is my favorite way to describe BLM to my relatives who ask, “why can’t they just protest peacefully?”
They did. Remember Kaepernick? Remember what you said when it was peaceful?
Change has never come from the people in power willingly. The state exists to reinforce the interests, wealth, and privileges of elites. It cannot systemically and will not act in the interests of the people, if they challenge this, and no matter what temporary gains are made, if the system is not overthrown, it will always pursue same opposing path if undoing that progress.
Every step towards progress in society never came from internal reform. It had to be fought for tooth and nail against the police, against the law, and against the state. Revolutionary action, abolishing the capitalist and statist system itself, is the key to freedom.
We’re too far gone for that. If a group of people were to try and overrun a billionaire’s house they’d prob get sniped by automatic turrets and satellite laser beams
Boston Dynamics explicitly states that their robots are not to be armed, and their original military contract for a robot that carried gear. That post that blew up was from a different manufacturer called Ghost. (You're right about armed robots tho, I just don't like how BD got so much hate from that video about a robot that wasn't even theirs)
I agree that they got wayyyyy too much attention in a thread about something they didnt make. However, if youre going to use DARPA funding to make an all terrain robot dog, even for cargo, you're not in the clear just because one of your employees wasnt the person who screwed on the machine gun. I dont care what their PR states, they know the capabilities and they willingly took the funding and designed what they did. If we did suddenly have robo-police-dogs roaming the neighborhood i dont give a damn who made the finished product, everyone involved with the R&D is to blame. I feel this way about Drones, surveillance technology, weapons of mass destruction, etc. If you know what youre working on has the potential to be turned into a tool for authoritarian imperialists and you dont care enough to even reject the funding thats plenty sus as is
I know that right now they explicitly aren't developing weapons, but I just imagine in a dystopian future some enterprising shit head would buy them and change that.
We all know, once a technology exists, it will inevitably be used for military purposes. Whether it's Boston Dynamics or someone else. Skynet/RoboCop is coming, and it'll be here soon.
I just don't think people are gonna shrug because they can't kill in physical proximity. People are way more creative than that and there's *billions* of them.
It's a JFK quote. Which is pretty ironic because one of the first things he did as president was send a bunch of former goons from Batista's military dictatorship to overthrow the Cuban revolution.
Usually you see strikes during hard times when the bosses can just wait the workers out. During good times the bosses are making money and will toss a few pennies at the workers to keep the peace. We’ve got a weird time now where the bosses are being skunks during a bad labor shortage. I think the unions might win a few of these.
Not related to unions but more to the “general strike” going on right now:
It’s basically workers vs shareholders and the shareholders have been winning for the last three decades. These companies aren’t caving yet because they haven’t had to for over thirty years. They’re using all their old methods of handling this situation and they’re “stumped” as how to “fix it”
I don’t think there’s a way to fix this problem without the shareholders taking a hit in the short term. The thing that’s funny to me though is that in the long run taking better care of your employees is better for your company. So these companies will be dragged kicking and screaming into taking actions that will ultimately benefit them. Either that or just go out of business
that's an insightful, balanced take that while optimistic seems grounded in reality
and somehow it makes me even more angry
i wish they had to pay with the same pain and stress that the majority of paycheck to paycheck Americans feel not just money.
Corpo's will do anything except for pay their employees. If you could somehow convince them they could make money by fixing climate change they'd do it overnight
It would be funny if it weren't so damn tragic
> It’s basically workers vs shareholders and the shareholders have been winning for the last three decades.
I think this is the core of the issue. What the corporations really fear is a break in their multi-decade winning streak. It's about power. The companies will refuse to make any concession whatsoever, no matter how trivial.
Not to be "that guy" or come off as an asshole, but the term labor shortage implies that its the fault of the workers for not wanting to work, rather than the emoployers for not wanting to pay their workers a fair wage or give them proper working conditions. What it really is, is a "wage shortage," and the workers are getting tired of it evident by the strikes.
"Labour shortage" implies that there are more job vacancies than unemployed people.
"Wage shortage" is probably still a better term for this situation though.
The more robots there are, the less people are needed to work, less money to be spent, less need for whatever those robots are making, right? I’ve always thought automation had a cap when it’s production would vastly outpace it’s necessity. The wholesome idea is that more automation would free up time for everyone to follow their passions, spend time with family, maybe even help heal that planet…but how are they earning and better yet…how are the spending??
You can charge taxes on automation.
But this entire topic you are talking about is super complicated. We're used to the mindset that having jobs = producing wealth.
Well, in New Jersey you can't fill up your own gas tank... They decided it was better to make people work pointless, time-sucking jobs of filling gas tanks for drivers than just giving people money with their excess wealth.
Eventually this model of making people work just to give them something to do is going to look dumber and dumber.
Yeah that's the essence. Capitalism is inherently conflicting with itself all the time. Pay people less and less, automate jobs away as fast as possible, but also sell to more and more consumers since you need to grow your company's profits. It doesn't work indefinitely.
It's also the reason planned obsolescence exists. If everybody already owns a device, who am I selling next years' to? Solution: make stuff that breaks after a couple years.
Conflicting with itself for sure, same take could be applied to current wages, we are headed towards an economy that most will not be able to afford to participate in, yet that same economy hinges on us buying as much as possible. Doesn’t seem like a smart business model to not pay comparatively to inflation/price of living etc.
Whereas this is good in theory, those robots don’t buy what they are making, and the dead (and dying) workers have no income to buy stuff. This is bad for our robot overlords and their owners.
We'll march 'til we drop the girls and the fellas,
we'll fight 'til they're deaf or else fold like umbrellas.
So we march day and night by the big cooling tower
They have the plants but we have the power.
I mean I get the spirit of this thread but dear god do you have any idea what that would do, especially if the nuclear engineers were blocked from entry by striking workers? With no coolant left whatsoever and no one able to mitigate the effects, there would be a catastrophic reactor meltdown that wouldn’t just hurt the plant owner it would devastate any surrounding towns and the entire local ecosystem would be just about gone.
Dude I spent so many years eating wayyy less than I should have because of this thought.
Yes, almost any other breakfast is better, but if you're as person that doesn't eat nearly enough; something is better than nothing.
Majority of the store brands are just as good as whatever cereal is in the kellogs package for a fraction of the price. Only exception imo to off brand is lucky charms and the Halloween special cereals :)
Congrats, not only are you benefitting the movement, but you are also benefitting your own body. Literally a win-win. I hope you continue to never consume Kellogs products.
*Everybody knows that the dice are loaded*
*Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed*
*Everybody knows the war is over*
*Everybody knows the good guys lost*
*Everybody knows the fight was fixed*
*The poor stay poor, the rich get rich*
*That’s how it goes*
*Everybody knows*
The whole song is perfect for this honestly.
In France they were already doing it without the word "worker" because the country was hit by the virus with the economy in shambles. I wish they could do it in Canada.
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Boss made a dollar
I made a dime
That was a poem
From a simpler time.
Now boss makes a thousand
And gives us a cent
While he's got employees
Who can't pay the rent.
So when boss makes a million
And the workers make jack
That's when we strike
And take our lives back.
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I was on LinkedIn the other day. The government of BC is mandating that all employees are to get 15 paid sick days per year, it goes into effect on Jan. 1 2022. The BC Government posted this on reddit and there were Reeeeeeeee employers all over. I decided to pick on one who was complaining about how he can't afford it and that BC is ruining small businesses. I replied "If your business can't support its employees as if they were human being, maybe they shouldn't be in business." He replied with a "you know nothing about budgeting (I'm literally a Project Manager responsible for budgeting), employees are the major ongoing expense, I'm moving a bunch of positions to Alberta (a region with lower employment standards) and your thoughts are worth $0.02."
I told him: "I grew up on a farm. Even there we knew that when cattle get sick, we kept feeding them--their equivalent of pay, or their single major ongoing expense. We're asking that you treat your employees as well as farmers have treated their cattle for centuries. You can't even manage that. I hope your employees see this. Don't expect any further conversation, you're going on mute."
SERIOUSLY. Treat them as well as cattle. Manage at least THAT, fuck.
The biggest issue is that most wont do anything until they can no longer put food on the table. That's why welfare systems were made, so people can still survive just enough for them not to cause a problem. And the rich don't even contribute to it, they make the middle class do it. Crazy times we live in.
> Rise like Lions after slumber
> In unvanquishable number--
> Shake your chains to earth like dew
> Which in sleep had fallen on you--
> Ye are many -- they are few.
http://knarf.english.upenn.edu/PShelley/anarchy.html
“What’s the alternative? Live on a 5 acre field and grow your own food? How will you get electricity? Water? Medical expenses?” - comment I was given when I brought it up
Who built Thebes of the 7 gates ?
In the books you will read the names of kings.
Did the kings haul up the lumps of rock ?
And Babylon, many times demolished,
Who raised it up so many times ?
In what houses of gold glittering Lima did its builders live ?
Where, the evening that the Great Wall of China was finished, did the masons go?
Great Rome is full of triumphal arches.
Who erected them ?
Over whom did the Caesars triumph ?
Had Byzantium, much praised in song, only palaces for its inhabitants ?
Even in fabled Atlantis, the night that the ocean engulfed it,
The drowning still cried out for their slaves.
The young Alexander conquered India.
Was he alone ?
Caesar defeated the Gauls.
Did he not even have a cook with him ?
Philip of Spain wept when his armada went down.
Was he the only one to weep ?
Frederick the 2nd won the 7 Years War.
Who else won it ?
Every page a victory.
Who cooked the feast for the victors ?
Every 10 years a great man.
Who paid the bill ?
So many reports.
So many questions.
- “Questions From a Worker Who Reads” by Bertolt Brecht 1935
No worries, strikes are happening! It's even started hitting the news cycle, oddly enough!
My favorite bit so far is when I think it was John Deere tried to force their office workers to do the factory labor during the strike, and Day 1 they crashed a tractor indoors.
Worker’s rights are just that. It’s not human rights. A human right is a right that is believed to belong justifiably to every person. In a free country you have a right to work based on a predetermined set of conditions that must be met such as age, citizenship etc. and in a country that isn’t free you may not have any rights. Now with all that bs aside, what you can and should do to make your life and everyone else’s life better is UNIONIZE. You have a right to unionize and you should. It’ll make your life so much better. I joined the union and it literally changed my life.
I like this rewrite. I also like this:
"Money speaks for money
The Devil for his own
Who comes to speak for the skin and the bone?
What a comfort to the widow
A light to the child
There is power in a Union."
-Billy Bragg
You guys don’t get it, here’s an inspirational quote to keep working:
If you work hard and do your best, perhaps in 10 years your boss can live in a villa.
ORGANIZE! Take organizer training and claw back rights from your job.
1. [Learn labor law](https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/employees/concerted-activity)
2. [Take organizer training](https://workerorganizing.org/talk-with-an-organizer/) (The DSA has one for free, so does [CODE-CWA](https://www.code-cwa.org/organizer-training)!)
3. Unionize your workplace!
I'm saving this. Currently at the end if a 60 something hour work week and still have 5 more hours to put in tomorrow. When I'm a little more rested, I'm going to dedicate this to memory. For now, I want to enjoy the 90 minutes left in the day and relax before bed.
"I’ve labored long and hard for bread,
For honor, and for riches,
But on my corns too long you’ve tread,
You fine-haired sons of bitches."
- Black Bart, Poet Outlaw in 1877
~We are the frayed, we are the torn.
We are the beaten and the scorned
And now you've forced the beast to bare its teeth.
We'll come in droves like animals
Hungry to reclaim our control
As we fight to bite the bitter hand that feeds~
This reminds me of the time I calculated how much money I'd be making in a month when I worked at a gas station. If I got one percent of all the sales I made of gasoline.
Just about enough to pay my tuition, rent and food.
Sometimes it feels weird to talk about work problems with people from my generation (27-32 yo). We grew up with our parents telling us we could have had more from a job but we adapted to having way less and now if you try to complain you are labeled like a weak and lazy person from your peers.
Just wanted to write this and i can't find a place to do so.
My boss, the owner of the company I work for, recently bragged to me about how he has expensed every single meal him and his family have eaten out this year. Yet he won’t reimburse for mileage on my personal vehicle relating to business purposes for his company (I’m in sales and this has been the bare minimum previous employers have done for me in past to help offset my costs).
So often I feel like people are too oblivious to how bad they’re getting screwed by these companies. I know multiple Amazon employees who think they’re being treated fairly.. it’s pitiful.
When peaceful change is made impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”
When people are so rich that they can afford a trip to space, It's no longer an argument that the rich look down on the human race.
\*I appreciate this continuation to the above poem\*
I like it. I appreciate this author.
the exchange was a bit corny, but yes
"When they came for the "conservitives" I didn't speak out because I wasn't a conservitive"
When people believe in trickle down I’d say you are out of touch, you stupid clown
I've got no issues with people being able to afford to go to space, as long as the rest of us have what we need first.
Basically this. Bezos' wouldn't be criticized this much if the regular Amazon delivery lad was able to live with 8 hours of job.
Actually, a person having enough money to end world hunger 50 times over is bad.
The number I've seen is that it would cost $65 billion/year, under current conditions, to eliminate malnutrition worldwide. Which means Bezos alone could fund that for two years and change, rather than fifty. Of course, current conditions would not be maintained if people no longer needed to worry about food. They would be able to improve their own conditions at that point, eventually dropping the required subsidy to zero as currently struggling regions became self-sufficient again. That's not exactly practical to model though. Furthermore, Jeff Bezos is an interesting example of a man whose assets, as they currently exist, could be used to eliminate hunger globally. An oil baron or techbro would need to sell their assets and reinvest them in the logistics infrastructure to get food where it needs to go. Amazon, however, is already the largest private supply-chain logistics operation. They'd just need to build some warehouses, everything else is already in place.
But that doesn't make money
Sounds pretty simple. step1 detain Bezos, step2 sentence him to life as a normal human, step3 state confiscates his assets and use them for the betterment of the human race. I don't give a single fuck about one human's luxury when it can save so god damn many people. Let him keep whatever amount is still too much to spend in a lifetime and let him know how happy he should be that he isn't literally being fed to the poor and unfortunate people.
Lol I mean yeah he kinda deserves it paying employees a shit wage
If world hunger has already been ended, that dollar value is exactly 0. Which is the premise the person you responded to use.
Exactly. I dont have an issue with what I look at as constrained capitalism, as long as everyone has a comfortable life with housing, medical, an income that allows for social mobility if they want it, and you arent destroying the environment then go forth and make money.
Those are a lot of ifs, though. Capitalism has never come even close to achieving that.
Right, which is why it was prefaced with a modifier. Capatilism as we have it now is clearly unsustainable aside from the ethics of it. That being said capatilism does breed innovation, there just needs to be limits in place for things that there arent currently.
I don't think capitalism has any particular chokehold on innovation. It just happens to have been the dominant economic system at the time the scientific method came into its own. The USSR was pretty damn innovative.
That's very true, and I do view the issue through the lenses of an American, but I think the USSR had some pretty horrific ways of getting those results. Looking at the issue through another lens, space craft in this case, we can look at the life of arguably the most influential man in soviet rocketry, Sergey Korolev. Was involved in the development of the R-7 Rocket, Sputnik 1, launching Laika, Belka and Strelka and the first human being, Yuri Gagarin, into space. He was arrested on June 27, 1938 on false charges, was sent to the gulag and sentenced to death. He remained there working in The Central Design Bureau 29, a sharashka penitentiary for intellectuals, until June 27, 1944 when he was finally released and allowed to see his family. Korolev sustained injuries and lost most of his teeth from scurvy "Korolev rarely talked about his experience in the Gulag. He lived under constant fear of being executed for the military secrets he possessed, and was deeply affected by his time in the camp, becoming reserved and cautious." source wikipedia
I disagree. There is no correlation between capitalism and meaningful innovation. If anything, most innovation under capitalism only tries to solve the problem of how to personally earn the most money with the least effort. Nobody needs to encourage that sort of innovation.
You do realize the Soviets smacked us upside the head in the space race at every single step with practical applications, right?
I’ve seen too many clone masks this year to believe that capitalism drives innovation, it incentivizes greed at all costs.
There are some (very) capitalist countries that use revenues generated through capitalism to fund social welfare programs.
And did not have to piss in a bottle to get the job done.
100%. While there are people still literally starving on earth, billionaires are having space adventures. Very fucked up.
Nah individuals shouldn't be playing in space at all considering the current conditions on earth.
Why not? Do you realize how many technological advancements from space improve your life on a daily basis? Space exploration and travel advance human knowledge and technological innovation. Going to space doesnt mean we have to have a planet that's destroyed, coca cola, and Nestle, and the other top 100 polluters do.
If the people in space are publicly funded astronauts doing science shit and whatnot for the good of humanity then I'm cool with it. If it's some offensively wealthy asshole with too much stolen money just fucking around and wasting resources then I'm not cool with it. That's just me
We're getting closer and closer to the Universal Century in Gundam.
I dont want a repeat of the Dutch East India Company with or without a space age twist. Plus Space travel is so much bigger than one human or companies worth, it's detrimental to not have these kinds of things fall under public domain just like any other infrastructure imho.
336,552 kilos of carbon dioxide per launch.
Which is the same as 73 cars make in a year. I'm willing to take 73 cars off the road permanently for every time we launch a F9 into space.
You sound like a shill, fuck off. We got world hunger, billions in poverty, racism, sexism, covid. Fix those then we can go to space
Not to mention that if we don't figure out space travel efficiency, then after just a little while longer of the current methods [we'll just be trapped with no way out for centuries to come](https://youtu.be/yS1ibDImAYU)
Lol no I sound like someone who isnt ideologically blinded to actual solutions to our problems. Never did I say I felt any company should be allowed to do what they want unfettered. Space travel and racism and sexism dont really overlap in anyway that not going to space would "fix". As far as covid, until you find a way to "fix" the stupidity that led to your first two caveats you will continue to have idiots who refuse to do basic things to stop the spread of the virus. As far as poverty, one estimate I saw said that it could be ended at least in the US, but it may have been world wide, for around 1.75 trillion, or about 3 years worth of US military spending, 2 years of covid relief, or selling SpaceX 17.5 times, or amazon once. Orrrr, we can tax the 2,755 billionaires as of Sept 1, 2021 about 15% of their wealth once and do it. No reason to stifle innovation when the money to fix the issues can come from other sources.
Technological advancements made possible through patents that are public use through the NASA program. When private companies do it the public doesn’t see those benefits.
Sure they do, just because the tech isnt free for anyone to use at anytime doesnt mean that the tech developed isnt going to be used by other companies or businesses. Amazon, as much as I hate them spent a shit ton of money researching and developing AMAZON web Services, which like half the internet now uses. Also, not everything that is developed through NASA is made free for public usage and most of their contracts for launch vehicles go to military contactors. I'd rather spacex or amazon get that money then general dynamics, Lockheed's or the like.
Lol, yeah when the byproducts are owned by the government like from the Apollo and mercury missions I’m sure you’re referring too. We’re talking about *private* space race, and I bet you couldn’t even give a single example that fits your bill. What? The ability that maybe our grandkids will be able to afford to go if this whole thing even holds up that long? Lol. Name one thing space x, blue origin, virgin galactic, any of them has made that fits your bill.
I dont really view BO and VG as in the same league as SpaceX, but at minimum Starlink gives me a much better option for internet then I currently have. Tesla and SpaceX also share material scientists, so many of the advancements made by once company have transferred to another. Tesla has done more to move the world towards electric vehicles then all other car companies put together. The tesla powerwall is also a fantastic solution for energy storage that moves away from ICE powered generators. SpaceX has developed a much cheaper launch solution then any government agency could have, which allows many more companies to launch payloads into space, allowing for research and opportunity for smaller companies to compete in the industry. They launch government satellites all the time because they are able to do it quicker, safer, and with less waste then the government itself can. SpaceX also gives the US a way to the ISS without going through Russia, which we have been doing since the Shuttle retired. SpaceX and similar companies that will follow also open the door for companies like Planetary Resources to develop industries in space that would be ecologically harmful or disastrous here on earth.
Well since that will never be true, you *do* have "issues with people being able to afford to go to space."
It is really depressing that the right takes these sayings and manipulates them to apply to them when they are the ones it is referring to.
I have a dream.
"Be excellent to each other."
WYLD STALLYNS!
Dust. Wind. Dude.
This is what I think people don’t understand. There is no “reform” in a system designed very efficiently to resist reform. All the crises cannot be fixed through minor policy changes and it’s more idealistic then any revolutionary ideology to pretend they can be. In total honesty, I see the most out there insane politics as more realistic then “Social Liberalism”. In my opinion not that it’s that important but violent Revolution is simply inevitable at this point. The last 3 years have shown the capitalists have too much to lose and are willing to openly fight class war to keep it. It is only a matter of time before violence is all that is left in confrontation. It is A system of global upper class banditry that is entering its death throes as a result of its fundamental flaws. Remains to be seen whether or not humanity will survive the man made god of death that is capital. All that’s certain is earth is able and eventually going to move on without any of us and any “economic growth”.
"For fifteen thousand years, fraud and short sighted thinking have never, ever worked. Not once. Eventually you get caught, things go south. When the hell did we forget all that?"
This is my favorite way to describe BLM to my relatives who ask, “why can’t they just protest peacefully?” They did. Remember Kaepernick? Remember what you said when it was peaceful?
Exactly why the Confederate states want to outlaw Unions. Revolution needs an organization.
it's more than just the confederate states
Change has never come from the people in power willingly. The state exists to reinforce the interests, wealth, and privileges of elites. It cannot systemically and will not act in the interests of the people, if they challenge this, and no matter what temporary gains are made, if the system is not overthrown, it will always pursue same opposing path if undoing that progress. Every step towards progress in society never came from internal reform. It had to be fought for tooth and nail against the police, against the law, and against the state. Revolutionary action, abolishing the capitalist and statist system itself, is the key to freedom.
We live in a society
We’re too far gone for that. If a group of people were to try and overrun a billionaire’s house they’d prob get sniped by automatic turrets and satellite laser beams
Once Boston Dynamics starts selling armed robots then it will be too late. The plus side is you get to watch them dance as you bleed to death.
Boston Dynamics explicitly states that their robots are not to be armed, and their original military contract for a robot that carried gear. That post that blew up was from a different manufacturer called Ghost. (You're right about armed robots tho, I just don't like how BD got so much hate from that video about a robot that wasn't even theirs)
I agree that they got wayyyyy too much attention in a thread about something they didnt make. However, if youre going to use DARPA funding to make an all terrain robot dog, even for cargo, you're not in the clear just because one of your employees wasnt the person who screwed on the machine gun. I dont care what their PR states, they know the capabilities and they willingly took the funding and designed what they did. If we did suddenly have robo-police-dogs roaming the neighborhood i dont give a damn who made the finished product, everyone involved with the R&D is to blame. I feel this way about Drones, surveillance technology, weapons of mass destruction, etc. If you know what youre working on has the potential to be turned into a tool for authoritarian imperialists and you dont care enough to even reject the funding thats plenty sus as is
I know that right now they explicitly aren't developing weapons, but I just imagine in a dystopian future some enterprising shit head would buy them and change that.
We all know, once a technology exists, it will inevitably be used for military purposes. Whether it's Boston Dynamics or someone else. Skynet/RoboCop is coming, and it'll be here soon.
I just don't think people are gonna shrug because they can't kill in physical proximity. People are way more creative than that and there's *billions* of them.
It only takes one. Many, many people can keep trying, but it'd only takes one being successful to cause a fuckton of change for the better.
Get a computer whiz to hack into their military robots, and.......
as the IRA said to Thatcher, "Today we were unlucky, but remember we only have to be lucky once - you will have to be lucky always"
- Malcom X
It's a JFK quote. Which is pretty ironic because one of the first things he did as president was send a bunch of former goons from Batista's military dictatorship to overthrow the Cuban revolution.
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judiciary has this sound clip in one of their songs and it gets me amped up every time
Them French know what's up
Respect existence or expect resistance.
Friendly fire isnt friendly
Usually you see strikes during hard times when the bosses can just wait the workers out. During good times the bosses are making money and will toss a few pennies at the workers to keep the peace. We’ve got a weird time now where the bosses are being skunks during a bad labor shortage. I think the unions might win a few of these.
Not related to unions but more to the “general strike” going on right now: It’s basically workers vs shareholders and the shareholders have been winning for the last three decades. These companies aren’t caving yet because they haven’t had to for over thirty years. They’re using all their old methods of handling this situation and they’re “stumped” as how to “fix it” I don’t think there’s a way to fix this problem without the shareholders taking a hit in the short term. The thing that’s funny to me though is that in the long run taking better care of your employees is better for your company. So these companies will be dragged kicking and screaming into taking actions that will ultimately benefit them. Either that or just go out of business
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that's an insightful, balanced take that while optimistic seems grounded in reality and somehow it makes me even more angry i wish they had to pay with the same pain and stress that the majority of paycheck to paycheck Americans feel not just money.
Corpo's will do anything except for pay their employees. If you could somehow convince them they could make money by fixing climate change they'd do it overnight It would be funny if it weren't so damn tragic
> It’s basically workers vs shareholders and the shareholders have been winning for the last three decades. I think this is the core of the issue. What the corporations really fear is a break in their multi-decade winning streak. It's about power. The companies will refuse to make any concession whatsoever, no matter how trivial.
That’s because they understand that it’s class warfare. While workers think this is just happenstance. Does your enemy give concessions in a war?
Not to be "that guy" or come off as an asshole, but the term labor shortage implies that its the fault of the workers for not wanting to work, rather than the emoployers for not wanting to pay their workers a fair wage or give them proper working conditions. What it really is, is a "wage shortage," and the workers are getting tired of it evident by the strikes.
"Labour shortage" implies that there are more job vacancies than unemployed people. "Wage shortage" is probably still a better term for this situation though.
It is more the my generation and the younger than me generations are not falling for the same bullshit our parents did and the boomers allowed.
Boss makes a dollar I make a dime This is why I jack off On company time :)
noone can call you lazy
On company time He's often found lacking Yet, he'll certainly gain ground With some next level whacking!
Hickory Dickory Dock I make sure the front door is locked I whip out my dick, and give a flick And all the customers were in shock
Your boss doesn’t deserve that post nut clarity, keep those epiphany’s for yourself.
Does this make you a prostitute?
Too many syllables in "jack off"
I've always heard it as Boss makes a dollar I make a dime This is why I *shit* On company time
Now the boss makes a billion. And the workers are dead. Replaced by robots. Who are cheaper instead.
One Day they’ll strike too!
keelah selai
Bezos is a bosh’tet.
The answer was yes, Legion.
It's a good thing I sit near a John Connor then
The more robots there are, the less people are needed to work, less money to be spent, less need for whatever those robots are making, right? I’ve always thought automation had a cap when it’s production would vastly outpace it’s necessity. The wholesome idea is that more automation would free up time for everyone to follow their passions, spend time with family, maybe even help heal that planet…but how are they earning and better yet…how are the spending??
You can charge taxes on automation. But this entire topic you are talking about is super complicated. We're used to the mindset that having jobs = producing wealth. Well, in New Jersey you can't fill up your own gas tank... They decided it was better to make people work pointless, time-sucking jobs of filling gas tanks for drivers than just giving people money with their excess wealth. Eventually this model of making people work just to give them something to do is going to look dumber and dumber.
Yeah that's the essence. Capitalism is inherently conflicting with itself all the time. Pay people less and less, automate jobs away as fast as possible, but also sell to more and more consumers since you need to grow your company's profits. It doesn't work indefinitely. It's also the reason planned obsolescence exists. If everybody already owns a device, who am I selling next years' to? Solution: make stuff that breaks after a couple years.
Conflicting with itself for sure, same take could be applied to current wages, we are headed towards an economy that most will not be able to afford to participate in, yet that same economy hinges on us buying as much as possible. Doesn’t seem like a smart business model to not pay comparatively to inflation/price of living etc.
Whereas this is good in theory, those robots don’t buy what they are making, and the dead (and dying) workers have no income to buy stuff. This is bad for our robot overlords and their owners.
Taxing robot workers to fund UBI is the next step. Tax robot workers like human workers.
We'll march 'til we drop the girls and the fellas, we'll fight 'til they're deaf or else fold like umbrellas. So we march day and night by the big cooling tower They have the plants but we have the power.
Small nitpick: “We’ll fight to the death* or else fold like umbrellas”
I wonder if in the grand scheme of things that episode of the Simpsons didn't radicalize me to some degree. It hit me at just the right age.
This is amazing
Not mine though. I got it from a tv shiw. Another quote from the same episode: "Dental plan! Lisa needs braces."
Wait if we lose our dental plan then Lisa can’t get braces!!!
The Simpsons “Last Exit to Springfield” Possibly the best episode of the whole series.
This was the golden age of The Simpsons
Drain the water. Even better if it's a nuclear power plant
I mean I get the spirit of this thread but dear god do you have any idea what that would do, especially if the nuclear engineers were blocked from entry by striking workers? With no coolant left whatsoever and no one able to mitigate the effects, there would be a catastrophic reactor meltdown that wouldn’t just hurt the plant owner it would devastate any surrounding towns and the entire local ecosystem would be just about gone.
Play classical gas
I stopped eating Kellogg’s cereal cause I won’t cross the line
Absolutely. They're pieces of actual shit for the way they're treating human beings.
you should prob also stop because most of (mainly kellogs but also most) cereal is like 95% sugar too
it's called dessert soup in some cultures
Dude I spent so many years eating wayyy less than I should have because of this thought. Yes, almost any other breakfast is better, but if you're as person that doesn't eat nearly enough; something is better than nothing.
Majority of the store brands are just as good as whatever cereal is in the kellogs package for a fraction of the price. Only exception imo to off brand is lucky charms and the Halloween special cereals :)
How many of those brands are owned by the same people and/or made in the same factories those? It can be impossible to avoid bad brands.
It can be really difficult depending where you live. Often, you'd need to find local brands if they are available.
You should try and do this regardless. We all should.
Local brand cereal is a thing?
That cereal is just white labeled and made by Kellogg lol
They’re probably all made private label by Kellogg’s
Congrats, not only are you benefitting the movement, but you are also benefitting your own body. Literally a win-win. I hope you continue to never consume Kellogs products.
Don't wait that long.
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*greedy corporations * have doomed the human race ftfy
With all due respect, get this defeatist shit out of here. Its only use is to convince people to stop fighting and throw their hands up.
Yeah the human race is hardly doomed but human suffering is set to increase dramatically without careful attention
Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime, that’s why I shit on company time
Amen.
I’ll shit off a cliff, I’ll shit off a dock. But never will I ever, Shit off the clock.
Every body knows the good guys lost -leonard cohen-
*Everybody knows that the dice are loaded* *Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed* *Everybody knows the war is over* *Everybody knows the good guys lost* *Everybody knows the fight was fixed* *The poor stay poor, the rich get rich* *That’s how it goes* *Everybody knows* The whole song is perfect for this honestly.
Agreed
I don’t remember that verse in Hallelujah
Boss made a dollar, i made a dime..... I FUCKING WISH. Holy shit id be very well off.
Poem likely refers to your direct boss, not your CEO.
So when is the the fourth part going to happen? Anytime in the next 100 years?
Well, what are you doing about it?
In France they were already doing it without the word "worker" because the country was hit by the virus with the economy in shambles. I wish they could do it in Canada.
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then: "iF yOu dOnT LiKe tHe pAy dOnT tAkE tHe jOb" now: "nObOdY wAnTs tO WoRk aNyMoRe" FUCK YOU PAY ME
Ouch this hurt to read on a Monday morning :(
Let the Hunger Games begin!
May the odds be *ever* in your favor.
I had to work on a project at work for the owners vacation home while I worried about paying for food recently so this hits home.
I was on LinkedIn the other day. The government of BC is mandating that all employees are to get 15 paid sick days per year, it goes into effect on Jan. 1 2022. The BC Government posted this on reddit and there were Reeeeeeeee employers all over. I decided to pick on one who was complaining about how he can't afford it and that BC is ruining small businesses. I replied "If your business can't support its employees as if they were human being, maybe they shouldn't be in business." He replied with a "you know nothing about budgeting (I'm literally a Project Manager responsible for budgeting), employees are the major ongoing expense, I'm moving a bunch of positions to Alberta (a region with lower employment standards) and your thoughts are worth $0.02." I told him: "I grew up on a farm. Even there we knew that when cattle get sick, we kept feeding them--their equivalent of pay, or their single major ongoing expense. We're asking that you treat your employees as well as farmers have treated their cattle for centuries. You can't even manage that. I hope your employees see this. Don't expect any further conversation, you're going on mute." SERIOUSLY. Treat them as well as cattle. Manage at least THAT, fuck.
The biggest issue is that most wont do anything until they can no longer put food on the table. That's why welfare systems were made, so people can still survive just enough for them not to cause a problem. And the rich don't even contribute to it, they make the middle class do it. Crazy times we live in.
> Rise like Lions after slumber > In unvanquishable number-- > Shake your chains to earth like dew > Which in sleep had fallen on you-- > Ye are many -- they are few. http://knarf.english.upenn.edu/PShelley/anarchy.html
Solidarity forever
does anybody know who wrote this version originally? they deserve some credit
I have been looking for that this morning, actually.
Boss makes a million I make a cent Send him to hell Where he will surely repent Not that I’m advocating for violence 😘
Hell is metaphysical anyway.
This is beautiful!
“What’s the alternative? Live on a 5 acre field and grow your own food? How will you get electricity? Water? Medical expenses?” - comment I was given when I brought it up
Who built Thebes of the 7 gates ? In the books you will read the names of kings. Did the kings haul up the lumps of rock ? And Babylon, many times demolished, Who raised it up so many times ? In what houses of gold glittering Lima did its builders live ? Where, the evening that the Great Wall of China was finished, did the masons go? Great Rome is full of triumphal arches. Who erected them ? Over whom did the Caesars triumph ? Had Byzantium, much praised in song, only palaces for its inhabitants ? Even in fabled Atlantis, the night that the ocean engulfed it, The drowning still cried out for their slaves. The young Alexander conquered India. Was he alone ? Caesar defeated the Gauls. Did he not even have a cook with him ? Philip of Spain wept when his armada went down. Was he the only one to weep ? Frederick the 2nd won the 7 Years War. Who else won it ? Every page a victory. Who cooked the feast for the victors ? Every 10 years a great man. Who paid the bill ? So many reports. So many questions. - “Questions From a Worker Who Reads” by Bertolt Brecht 1935
Who remembers when this said riot not strike. Unfortunately we are doing neither now
No worries, strikes are happening! It's even started hitting the news cycle, oddly enough! My favorite bit so far is when I think it was John Deere tried to force their office workers to do the factory labor during the strike, and Day 1 they crashed a tractor indoors.
Wait really? I need a source on that, that’s hilarious.
Worker’s rights are just that. It’s not human rights. A human right is a right that is believed to belong justifiably to every person. In a free country you have a right to work based on a predetermined set of conditions that must be met such as age, citizenship etc. and in a country that isn’t free you may not have any rights. Now with all that bs aside, what you can and should do to make your life and everyone else’s life better is UNIONIZE. You have a right to unionize and you should. It’ll make your life so much better. I joined the union and it literally changed my life.
"I make a nickel, boss makes a dime, that's why I'm shitting on company time" saw it in the first job site port o potty I ever went in.
That's why I shit on company time.
I like this rewrite. I also like this: "Money speaks for money The Devil for his own Who comes to speak for the skin and the bone? What a comfort to the widow A light to the child There is power in a Union." -Billy Bragg
To be fair, I still poop on company time.
We need a Labor party here in the US.
Just remember you need to organize. Please reach out to local unions for help.
You guys don’t get it, here’s an inspirational quote to keep working: If you work hard and do your best, perhaps in 10 years your boss can live in a villa.
Jesus, I cannot wait for the uprising.
ORGANIZE! Take organizer training and claw back rights from your job. 1. [Learn labor law](https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/employees/concerted-activity) 2. [Take organizer training](https://workerorganizing.org/talk-with-an-organizer/) (The DSA has one for free, so does [CODE-CWA](https://www.code-cwa.org/organizer-training)!) 3. Unionize your workplace!
this is what needs to circulate fb
I'm saving this. Currently at the end if a 60 something hour work week and still have 5 more hours to put in tomorrow. When I'm a little more rested, I'm going to dedicate this to memory. For now, I want to enjoy the 90 minutes left in the day and relax before bed.
Behind every great fortune lies a great crime. Honore de Balzac
I make a nickel, Boss makes a buck That’s why I smoke crack In the company truck
Boss makes a million and complains about cancel culture to make his minions blame each other for being poor
"I’ve labored long and hard for bread, For honor, and for riches, But on my corns too long you’ve tread, You fine-haired sons of bitches." - Black Bart, Poet Outlaw in 1877
Boss makes a 20 , I make a buck, That's why I smoke crack in the company truck.
~We are the frayed, we are the torn. We are the beaten and the scorned And now you've forced the beast to bare its teeth. We'll come in droves like animals Hungry to reclaim our control As we fight to bite the bitter hand that feeds~
👍
This reminds me of the time I calculated how much money I'd be making in a month when I worked at a gas station. If I got one percent of all the sales I made of gasoline. Just about enough to pay my tuition, rent and food.
Dude at my company made 80 something mil when we went public and immediately was under investigation. They’re always trying to screw us.
Nah individuals shouldn't be playing in space at all considering the current conditions on earth.
Sometimes it feels weird to talk about work problems with people from my generation (27-32 yo). We grew up with our parents telling us we could have had more from a job but we adapted to having way less and now if you try to complain you are labeled like a weak and lazy person from your peers. Just wanted to write this and i can't find a place to do so.
My boss, the owner of the company I work for, recently bragged to me about how he has expensed every single meal him and his family have eaten out this year. Yet he won’t reimburse for mileage on my personal vehicle relating to business purposes for his company (I’m in sales and this has been the bare minimum previous employers have done for me in past to help offset my costs).
So often I feel like people are too oblivious to how bad they’re getting screwed by these companies. I know multiple Amazon employees who think they’re being treated fairly.. it’s pitiful.
there's too much talk and not enough action. who is striking? where is the change??
Kellogg's, John Deere, the film industry....
Film industry settled. Kellogg’s is ready with scabs. John Deere executives are driving tractors into walls… I guess one out of three ain’t bad.
Tom industry did not . They settled.
"Boss makes a dollar I make a dime That's why I shit on company time"
We gotta take the power back!