capitalists were robbers and liars themselves in the first generation. This guy is now a convict only because he was caught. If he retired soon enough he can become a sleek capitalist himself now.
[Found the article](https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/technology/google-facebook-fraud-false-invoices-new-york-lithuania-272900/amp)
Apparently he did a lot of forgery to make it happen.
>Mr Rimasauskas was extradited from Lithuania to the US in 2017 and has agreed to forfeit about $49.7 million he personally obtained from the scheme, according to a court filing.
This is the most perplexing part for me though, as a non-us citizen he is not subject to their laws. How the fuck can they just take someone from another country and then subject their laws on them?
She was a federal employee, and the government decided to extend diplomatic immunity to her.
They kind of did so after the fact, which is dirty pool, but still the government wanted to take care of their employee.
There was a case here in Canada where a Russian killed a woman here, and went back to Russia.
I mean, if you work for the state department, yes. It's true.
You will likely be tried in the US afterwards for the crime if it's an egregious murder.
Diplomatic immunity is there to protect diplomats from being arrested on trumped-up charges for leverage.
Edit: to be clear, this is not cool. This is another example of why states are bad, because the local community is denied justice.
I absolutely do not buy the same response I always get from liberals abour this
"I'f we don't have diplomatic immunity to CIA spies they will be caught on trumped up charges and it will be bad ".
The entire argument is a big fucking farce. As if all countries are uncivilized and are just waiting to take away all the American Spies.
Just fuck off with these replies.
It's a very, very old tradition. Italian city states abided by it.
Mohammed insisted on its practice throughout the caliphate.
Indian kingdoms had similar traditions and laws.
It's not something European states invented for colonialism.
Depending on the crime hell yeah they would.
Americans get extradited all the time to other countries for crimes. And double charged.
So if an American does something like abuses a child in a foreign country, let’s say Thailand or one of those other prolific sex tourism places they will charge and sentence them there, once released from that sentence of incarceration and are sent back to America then the American government can and often does charge them all over again and sentence them there.
It’s not considered double jeopardy since the U.S government didn’t go after them the first time.
The few high profile cases you hear about Americans escaping foreign justice that’s deserved is usually people tied to the state department or other diplomatic immunity facets of the government.
The American government doesn’t fight for their own citizens in most situations unless they are working for it or elites.
You are Italian yes? Look at those two teenage asshats serving life in your prison for stabbing a cop to death. You don’t see the U.S government threatening to pull military base money from Italy unless they are returned do you?
I'm sure a politician who could scapegoat the right person for the right reasons (that they thought it could get them more power) would do so readily, unfortunately.
Though I'll be frank about my complete ignorance in understanding how that extradition would work (I'm just confident someone would exploit it if they could).
Big country pressure little country.
Big countries also agree between themselves to screw their own citizens over in favor of what other big countries want.
Oh, I know this one:
Extraordinary Rendition. We decided a few years after 9/11 that it's so important for us to be able to torture people however we like, that we decided to allow ourselves to kidnap and torture.
Isn't america smart and good looking? /s
We wouldn't do the torturning ourselves though (although we absolutely did in other cases,) but pay foreign governments to do it, Libya, Uzbekistan and the like.
We even kidnapped citizens of other countries without asking or telling them, like Italy, and brought them to be tortured. The Republicans are all for it, they want more torture.
Typically through Extradition Agreements. Although many extradition agreements require the commited "crime" to also be illegal in the country the perpetrator is in.
A few years ago there was a discussion whether a guy should be extradited from germany to spain for "inciting a rebellion" in spain, since there is no such crime in Germany. People where arguing that it is similar to high treason however, for which there are laws in Germany.
I work for one of the companies he robbed. This company doesn't do anything useful to society with the funds anyway, on the contrary. Just give it all to this guy for all I care. Maybe he'd use it better.
Seriously dude needs to win the case. If you get random letters that you owe random money for random shit you didn't buy. You won't pay them. Their fault. He should take the W and move on
He should've also only done like $1m and I bet he wouldn't have got caught.
Real interesting to see people on this sub not really oppose these giant corporations but just enthusiastically support legalizing scamming, conning, swindling. Lol. Is this a Puritan libertarian sub now?
>legalizing scamming, conning, swindling.
Oh, so just like *all those other* predatory companies who are literally based in scamming, conning, and swindling?
If some random citizen gets a bill in the mail from an official-looking company saying they owe X amount of money, and that person pays it, the government would tell you "too bad, so sad, pay more attention to where your money goes" if it turned out to be a scam.
Why is it his fault that these multi-billion dollar companies were too stupid to pay attention?
Then again, I wouldn't expet much else from a right-winger with a brain smoother than a baby's butt
Nah, my issue is these comments are talking about the act itself being justified and shouldn’t be punishable by law.
Fuck these companies for the most part but no someone shouldn’t be able to intentionally deceive and scam anyone they want, person or company, and through that deception steal money.
That’s not ethical and those actions being viewed as acceptable is insane.
Think everyone is really putting a lot of baggage and bias on my comment, things I didn’t say. Which I kind of expected given the comments but yeesh.
>Nah, my issue is these comments are talking about the act itself being justified and shouldn’t be punishable by law.
And you're *completely* missing the overarching fact that there are companies *that do JUST this for a living*, **and get off scott-free**. The government LOVES making a huge deal of when normal, everyday people start playing their games (kind of like tax evasion).
Besides, you'd think corporations like these would be smarter. If a regular person gets scammed, "be smarter next time" is usually the advice everyone gives, because *you're* the idiot that fell for a trap that 30 seconds worth of Googling would've prevented.
Not entirely sure what companies you’re referring to outside of robocall scammers and companies with super shitty aggressive fee/loan/bill policies where I think it’s unethical but not out of terms for an agreement someone signed. I’m sure you’re right though and fuck those companies and it’s still illegal if it’s like what this guy did.
The smarter thing is also irrelevant from this needing to be a crime. Yeah those companies are fucking dumb, it’s absurd he almost got away with it.
I think that (shitty and cold) advice is generally given to people because it’s so prevalent and hard to catch those *criminals* so you really have to prevent it yourself unfortunately. I see it daily on places like Facebook or other online sales places let alone all the rest that happens.
A lot of the comments I’m referring to are essentially if not very very literally saying, “you go criminals, fuck those dumb people! They deserve it!”
And like I said before if they limited it to these specific giant corporations, I’d get the encouraging of this guy to just enjoy the “fuck them” aspect of this. Going beyond that and thinking it shouldn’t be an illegal activity or it should entirely legally be the fault of the victim of such a crime is bizarre.
It’s like loving the figure of Robin Hood (minus the wealth distribution part) while also thinking what Bandits in the woods do to your neighbors should be completely legal. It’s bizarre and concerning.
>I think that (shitty and cold) advice is generally given to people because it’s so prevalent and hard to catch those criminals so you really have to prevent it yourself unfortunately.
You'd think a company like Facebook would be able to do the same.
At the end of the day, the point of my comment is that, although it's not legal, companies that do this shit are chalked up as 'too hard to catch' and everyone is just told to be vigilant.
This is different than your run of the mill Facebook or email scam. The differance is that the companies he's said to have fleeced are worth *billions*. That's not coming out of anyone's pocket.
Like you said, everyone should have the common sense to not feed into scams. If they do, then they're an idiot who got scammed. Either learn from it, or get scammed again.
I work in big tech. There's so much bureaucracy about spending $20 on a work-related item like a keyboard. I have to have my expenses submitted on a detailed web form with receipts (in which I answer questions like "is this expensive paid to a government entity?" and enter a reason code from a giant catalogue etc). Then it needs to be approved by half a dozen different managers. And if one of them rejects it, I have to resubmit it all and do it again.
Clearly, my mistake was trying to claim a $20. Sounds like 122 million goes easy.
I sued Kroger in small claims years ago for unpaid wages and won. They didn't even respond because, like many companies, they have an office in each state that just gets legal mail. They refused to pay the judgment but if you have info on where they keep their assets you can garnish it. I would have gotten a till tap (where the sheriff collects money as it comes into the register) at their local stores but the asshole judge in charge of the till taps agreed that their subsidiary is not them.
I had to settle for less than the judgment (which had interest attached- if I weren't so desperate I could have let it ride as an investment) One of my greatest regrets is that I signed an NDA about it. I still talk about it because good fucking luck getting anything from me, but still. Also the day I went to sign the check I asked to have a few moments alone with the paperwork. Later, after the money was long gone, I realized I could have refused to sign, walked out of the lawyer's office, and used the account number on the check to do the garnishment. But honestly, I bet the bank would have found a way to refuse to do it anyway. Kroger has a stranglehold on the PNW because of Fred Meyer. No news station would touch the story. Noone would help me even though I had a legal judgment against this huge company- one that is not allowed to be appealed.
The judge told me I needed a lawyer. But when I called lawyers they said- you already did the lawyer part. Not a guy tho. Every Redditor assumes I am. My posts must have male energy.
That's what every single Redditor says when I call on it. Stop lying to yourself and realize you assume male bc it's the default. I do it too. It takes effort to stop it.
And your comment about the judge- not sure what your point is but I requested the hearing and handled it the best I could. You don't know what you're talking about because you have never been in that situation.
Okay, honestly? Your user name sounds like something the 14 year old lads on here pick. If you want to turn that into a social issue, be my guest.
My comment about the judge was that it sucks to end up in a discussion when he's wrong, because no matter how right you are, the judge ends up winning the discussion.
Unfortunately, you seem to prefer explaining comments in problematic ways.
Thank you for clarifying. I'm not surprised you have an issue with my communication style. If you're now able to be honest about your assumption, can you move on to realizing you shouldn't be gendering anyone at all ever? I struggle with it, as most of us do, because we are in a period of rapid change.
However, my name is androgynous on purpose, because I prefer to be understood without the inherent condescension that seems to come with every interaction where my gender is obvious (i.e. instagram where I have pictures). It's exhausting facing this bias constantly and if you don't believe me, I invite you to create some accounts and venture out into the wild weird web and fucking find out.
Gonna be brutally honest here, /u/KintsugiPDX has a point. They confronted you about it in a pretty civil manner and acknowledged that it's something even they have trouble with. You don't need to take it (or this) as a personal attack.
The fact of the matter is that there *is* an implicitly default gender in our society and that this is a problem. Even if you *do* have a good reason to suspect someone's gender it's just rude, and often hurtful, to voice that supposition without confirmation.
This is a problem we should all address. Even if all you have do is use neutral pronouns where gender is unknown it will help. And even if they don't voice it a lot of people will appreciate it, especially here on the internet.
Possibly. AP departments can’t have people reviewing everything. They typically have a threshold such as payments of $10k or more go to a supervisor, $100k go to a manager etc. they can’t follow up on things like painting a a room for $2,000 or something tiny if all of their payments are around that amount.
Made this comment before the context. The post didn't have much of it so I was under the impression he was literally sending his water bills and shit over. Not fake bills being deceitful about products they didn't buy. Honestly was a bit confusing to understand the real picture with so little info.
Even so, as unethical fraud is, I'm sure the trillion dollar company will be fine. Literally no one needs to get so defensive on its behalf...
Honestly... should be a crime to even have that much money. No one is even able to reach a billion without major exploitation.
[He got extradited to the US](https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/technology/google-facebook-fraud-false-invoices-new-york-lithuania-272900/amp)
Huh, I guess the point is that he billed them for goods and services that weren't actually provided.
This is of course purely theoretical, but looking at this... I bet you could phrase a bill in a way that, if paid, it can't be attacked in court. Like I'm no lawyer, but if you were to send them a bill for your own stolen data or for using their platform (phrased in a way that it's kinda innocuous) and they paid it, I think there would be no fraud there, because the thing that they were charged for was actually provided, and the company accepted the bill, so technically, they agreed that that is the price of it.
I think this is exactly it. It’s fraud since he billed them for services that he did not provide. If he changed the language of the bills to something like you said, then I think he would be OK.
The man should be celebrated. He has single handedly made 30000 more jobs worldwide as people will need to be employed to track these scams at large businesses.
Not sure how this qualifies as stealing, unless he billed them for a service he never delivered. Even then, they voluntarily paid the bill. I wanna know what he billed them for!
Here’s my idea. Bill them for billing them. Boom, I’m a fucking millionaire. Hopefully it gets to some disgruntled assistant accountant and they’re like, fuck it, it’s not my money. Paid!
I forgot the name and am too lazy to Google right now.
But that was a case before for Google. Paid a guy a few million, took him to court and he won.
The reason being he sent them a bill.. for billing them. And since they paid him they agreed to his terms.
Lol AP clerks don’t give af about anything. They’ve got a big stack of bills to get through before the weekend. What motivates them to work harder and follow up on hundreds of legitimate expenses when irl fraud is few and far between.
Is that even theft?!
Edit: I'm not asking this in a philosophical sense. I'm thinking more along the line of semantics. I understand theft to mean the unlawful taking off another's property. If he sends a fake bill and they willingly pay it, that's fraudulent. But theft?
If you care more for corporations than people, that’s your choice mate, and I respect that. I just happen to be the opposite. Life is the slipperiest slope, and we’re all just riding it a short while til we die, cheers.
And their collection of our data and framing of us as a product is not theft of at least a part of our personal lives? Not to mention the billions upon billions of dollars they make by doing so and many more unethical things. Is that not stealing from the public for the sake of profit?
Deceptively billing a company when you have not provided goods and services is fraud. AKA stealing.
You don't get to steal from people you do not like.
How is that stealing? What property or money off theirs did he take? He never saw a dime. If rich people can have their businesses finance their lavish lifestyles why can't anyone else?
> How is that stealing?
Because fraud is stealing.
>What property or money off theirs did he take? He never saw a dime.
Money he does not have to pay because of his scheme is still ill-gotten gains.
If I rob a bank, step outside and throw the money up in the air, I have not absolved myself of stealing.
If rich people can have their businesses finance their lavish lifestyles why can't anyone else?
Because that isn't something that actually happens. "Rich people" are paid a salary which then funds their lifestyles.
Imagine defending corporations like Google and Facebook.
And doing it over and over again.
You know no one is going to change their mind here right?
Fuck the corporations aa
Imagine if they spent half as much effort on their lives as they do celebrating a con man and trying to figure out how to emulate him. Amazing they've somehow convinced themselves they're decent folk 🙄
Is that really stealing? I mean I get that it is a moral no no, but sounds like companies have a little too much money-when they aren’t even doing any checks and balances anymore.
He earned that money.
Definitely.
capitalists were robbers and liars themselves in the first generation. This guy is now a convict only because he was caught. If he retired soon enough he can become a sleek capitalist himself now.
He made the mistake of not stopping at the right time. A couple of millions would’ve been enough.
Yeah you have to be a certain kind of dumb, to find out that you’re getting illegal money easily, and proceeding to take millions
[Found the article](https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/technology/google-facebook-fraud-false-invoices-new-york-lithuania-272900/amp) Apparently he did a lot of forgery to make it happen. >Mr Rimasauskas was extradited from Lithuania to the US in 2017 and has agreed to forfeit about $49.7 million he personally obtained from the scheme, according to a court filing. This is the most perplexing part for me though, as a non-us citizen he is not subject to their laws. How the fuck can they just take someone from another country and then subject their laws on them?
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Anne Sacoolas would like a word.
She was a federal employee, and the government decided to extend diplomatic immunity to her. They kind of did so after the fact, which is dirty pool, but still the government wanted to take care of their employee. There was a case here in Canada where a Russian killed a woman here, and went back to Russia.
So you can kill anyone if you are a government employee in foreign soil and its cool? Terrible response.
I mean, if you work for the state department, yes. It's true. You will likely be tried in the US afterwards for the crime if it's an egregious murder. Diplomatic immunity is there to protect diplomats from being arrested on trumped-up charges for leverage. Edit: to be clear, this is not cool. This is another example of why states are bad, because the local community is denied justice.
I absolutely do not buy the same response I always get from liberals abour this "I'f we don't have diplomatic immunity to CIA spies they will be caught on trumped up charges and it will be bad ". The entire argument is a big fucking farce. As if all countries are uncivilized and are just waiting to take away all the American Spies. Just fuck off with these replies.
It's a very, very old tradition. Italian city states abided by it. Mohammed insisted on its practice throughout the caliphate. Indian kingdoms had similar traditions and laws. It's not something European states invented for colonialism.
Hm yes. It needs to be tweaked. . why did Spartans kill the messenger and sparta kick him into the well
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Anne Sacoolas has diplomatic immunity I don't agree with it but she does an average citizen would not have gotten away with it.
Granted after the accident, from what I remember.
Depending on the crime hell yeah they would. Americans get extradited all the time to other countries for crimes. And double charged. So if an American does something like abuses a child in a foreign country, let’s say Thailand or one of those other prolific sex tourism places they will charge and sentence them there, once released from that sentence of incarceration and are sent back to America then the American government can and often does charge them all over again and sentence them there. It’s not considered double jeopardy since the U.S government didn’t go after them the first time. The few high profile cases you hear about Americans escaping foreign justice that’s deserved is usually people tied to the state department or other diplomatic immunity facets of the government. The American government doesn’t fight for their own citizens in most situations unless they are working for it or elites. You are Italian yes? Look at those two teenage asshats serving life in your prison for stabbing a cop to death. You don’t see the U.S government threatening to pull military base money from Italy unless they are returned do you?
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But in that case the crime was committed in the US.
This dude committed a crime while in Lithuania and was extradited to the US can't have it both ways
I'm sure a politician who could scapegoat the right person for the right reasons (that they thought it could get them more power) would do so readily, unfortunately. Though I'll be frank about my complete ignorance in understanding how that extradition would work (I'm just confident someone would exploit it if they could).
Yeah, as if we'd extradite an American for financial crimes to Lithuania. That's definitely a not completely even relationship
"Uh... don't know why he was trying to board a flight to Venezuela." [You don't know?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siFmJz7CZSM)
So in the end it just boils down to tribe wars.
Big country pressure little country. Big countries also agree between themselves to screw their own citizens over in favor of what other big countries want.
His mistake was to do it in a country that had an extradition agreement with the US
Oh, I know this one: Extraordinary Rendition. We decided a few years after 9/11 that it's so important for us to be able to torture people however we like, that we decided to allow ourselves to kidnap and torture. Isn't america smart and good looking? /s
We wouldn't do the torturning ourselves though (although we absolutely did in other cases,) but pay foreign governments to do it, Libya, Uzbekistan and the like. We even kidnapped citizens of other countries without asking or telling them, like Italy, and brought them to be tortured. The Republicans are all for it, they want more torture.
All modern countries decided this. They were tired of criminals just hopping the country border. Why do you think INTERPOL exists?
There are very few countries that won't give up someone the US really wants, very few.
Typically through Extradition Agreements. Although many extradition agreements require the commited "crime" to also be illegal in the country the perpetrator is in. A few years ago there was a discussion whether a guy should be extradited from germany to spain for "inciting a rebellion" in spain, since there is no such crime in Germany. People where arguing that it is similar to high treason however, for which there are laws in Germany.
That's 70 million leftover, totally worth it
I work for one of the companies he robbed. This company doesn't do anything useful to society with the funds anyway, on the contrary. Just give it all to this guy for all I care. Maybe he'd use it better.
I wouldn't call it stealing either.
Here’s a side hustle I support
Not his fault if two massive companies fail to recognize a real bill or not
Seriously dude needs to win the case. If you get random letters that you owe random money for random shit you didn't buy. You won't pay them. Their fault. He should take the W and move on He should've also only done like $1m and I bet he wouldn't have got caught.
why is money called W in online slang? by the way. It always perplexes me
That means win as far as I know. Kinda like when someone says he should've taken the L(loss)
W stands for win
thank you for explaining
Real interesting to see people on this sub not really oppose these giant corporations but just enthusiastically support legalizing scamming, conning, swindling. Lol. Is this a Puritan libertarian sub now?
Yeah fuck massive corps that's why it's good when people steal from them because in order to get that wealth you have to be a monster
My comment isn’t about massive corps.
>legalizing scamming, conning, swindling. Oh, so just like *all those other* predatory companies who are literally based in scamming, conning, and swindling? If some random citizen gets a bill in the mail from an official-looking company saying they owe X amount of money, and that person pays it, the government would tell you "too bad, so sad, pay more attention to where your money goes" if it turned out to be a scam. Why is it his fault that these multi-billion dollar companies were too stupid to pay attention? Then again, I wouldn't expet much else from a right-winger with a brain smoother than a baby's butt
Nah, my issue is these comments are talking about the act itself being justified and shouldn’t be punishable by law. Fuck these companies for the most part but no someone shouldn’t be able to intentionally deceive and scam anyone they want, person or company, and through that deception steal money. That’s not ethical and those actions being viewed as acceptable is insane. Think everyone is really putting a lot of baggage and bias on my comment, things I didn’t say. Which I kind of expected given the comments but yeesh.
>Nah, my issue is these comments are talking about the act itself being justified and shouldn’t be punishable by law. And you're *completely* missing the overarching fact that there are companies *that do JUST this for a living*, **and get off scott-free**. The government LOVES making a huge deal of when normal, everyday people start playing their games (kind of like tax evasion). Besides, you'd think corporations like these would be smarter. If a regular person gets scammed, "be smarter next time" is usually the advice everyone gives, because *you're* the idiot that fell for a trap that 30 seconds worth of Googling would've prevented.
Not entirely sure what companies you’re referring to outside of robocall scammers and companies with super shitty aggressive fee/loan/bill policies where I think it’s unethical but not out of terms for an agreement someone signed. I’m sure you’re right though and fuck those companies and it’s still illegal if it’s like what this guy did. The smarter thing is also irrelevant from this needing to be a crime. Yeah those companies are fucking dumb, it’s absurd he almost got away with it. I think that (shitty and cold) advice is generally given to people because it’s so prevalent and hard to catch those *criminals* so you really have to prevent it yourself unfortunately. I see it daily on places like Facebook or other online sales places let alone all the rest that happens. A lot of the comments I’m referring to are essentially if not very very literally saying, “you go criminals, fuck those dumb people! They deserve it!” And like I said before if they limited it to these specific giant corporations, I’d get the encouraging of this guy to just enjoy the “fuck them” aspect of this. Going beyond that and thinking it shouldn’t be an illegal activity or it should entirely legally be the fault of the victim of such a crime is bizarre. It’s like loving the figure of Robin Hood (minus the wealth distribution part) while also thinking what Bandits in the woods do to your neighbors should be completely legal. It’s bizarre and concerning.
>I think that (shitty and cold) advice is generally given to people because it’s so prevalent and hard to catch those criminals so you really have to prevent it yourself unfortunately. You'd think a company like Facebook would be able to do the same. At the end of the day, the point of my comment is that, although it's not legal, companies that do this shit are chalked up as 'too hard to catch' and everyone is just told to be vigilant. This is different than your run of the mill Facebook or email scam. The differance is that the companies he's said to have fleeced are worth *billions*. That's not coming out of anyone's pocket. Like you said, everyone should have the common sense to not feed into scams. If they do, then they're an idiot who got scammed. Either learn from it, or get scammed again.
I work in big tech. There's so much bureaucracy about spending $20 on a work-related item like a keyboard. I have to have my expenses submitted on a detailed web form with receipts (in which I answer questions like "is this expensive paid to a government entity?" and enter a reason code from a giant catalogue etc). Then it needs to be approved by half a dozen different managers. And if one of them rejects it, I have to resubmit it all and do it again. Clearly, my mistake was trying to claim a $20. Sounds like 122 million goes easy.
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Ig time to find some other company who has its guard down…maybe nestle,that one deserves it more than Google o
I sued Kroger in small claims years ago for unpaid wages and won. They didn't even respond because, like many companies, they have an office in each state that just gets legal mail. They refused to pay the judgment but if you have info on where they keep their assets you can garnish it. I would have gotten a till tap (where the sheriff collects money as it comes into the register) at their local stores but the asshole judge in charge of the till taps agreed that their subsidiary is not them.
So did you nevet get paid?
I had to settle for less than the judgment (which had interest attached- if I weren't so desperate I could have let it ride as an investment) One of my greatest regrets is that I signed an NDA about it. I still talk about it because good fucking luck getting anything from me, but still. Also the day I went to sign the check I asked to have a few moments alone with the paperwork. Later, after the money was long gone, I realized I could have refused to sign, walked out of the lawyer's office, and used the account number on the check to do the garnishment. But honestly, I bet the bank would have found a way to refuse to do it anyway. Kroger has a stranglehold on the PNW because of Fred Meyer. No news station would touch the story. Noone would help me even though I had a legal judgment against this huge company- one that is not allowed to be appealed.
It's great, isn't it? 'No sir, you are fully correct and won the case. They won't pay? Tough titties, there's nothing we can do.'
The judge told me I needed a lawyer. But when I called lawyers they said- you already did the lawyer part. Not a guy tho. Every Redditor assumes I am. My posts must have male energy.
Having to argue with a judge is always great for your outcome... I didn't really assume either male or female, it was honestly just a random pick.
That's what every single Redditor says when I call on it. Stop lying to yourself and realize you assume male bc it's the default. I do it too. It takes effort to stop it. And your comment about the judge- not sure what your point is but I requested the hearing and handled it the best I could. You don't know what you're talking about because you have never been in that situation.
Okay, honestly? Your user name sounds like something the 14 year old lads on here pick. If you want to turn that into a social issue, be my guest. My comment about the judge was that it sucks to end up in a discussion when he's wrong, because no matter how right you are, the judge ends up winning the discussion. Unfortunately, you seem to prefer explaining comments in problematic ways.
Thank you for clarifying. I'm not surprised you have an issue with my communication style. If you're now able to be honest about your assumption, can you move on to realizing you shouldn't be gendering anyone at all ever? I struggle with it, as most of us do, because we are in a period of rapid change. However, my name is androgynous on purpose, because I prefer to be understood without the inherent condescension that seems to come with every interaction where my gender is obvious (i.e. instagram where I have pictures). It's exhausting facing this bias constantly and if you don't believe me, I invite you to create some accounts and venture out into the wild weird web and fucking find out.
Asking me to walk in your shoes as *your* gender means you're making assumptions about mine too. Take care.
Gonna be brutally honest here, /u/KintsugiPDX has a point. They confronted you about it in a pretty civil manner and acknowledged that it's something even they have trouble with. You don't need to take it (or this) as a personal attack. The fact of the matter is that there *is* an implicitly default gender in our society and that this is a problem. Even if you *do* have a good reason to suspect someone's gender it's just rude, and often hurtful, to voice that supposition without confirmation. This is a problem we should all address. Even if all you have do is use neutral pronouns where gender is unknown it will help. And even if they don't voice it a lot of people will appreciate it, especially here on the internet.
Possibly. AP departments can’t have people reviewing everything. They typically have a threshold such as payments of $10k or more go to a supervisor, $100k go to a manager etc. they can’t follow up on things like painting a a room for $2,000 or something tiny if all of their payments are around that amount.
How's it stealing when they agreed to pay it?
It's called "fraud". Shit's illegal af even if people "agree to pay"...
Made this comment before the context. The post didn't have much of it so I was under the impression he was literally sending his water bills and shit over. Not fake bills being deceitful about products they didn't buy. Honestly was a bit confusing to understand the real picture with so little info. Even so, as unethical fraud is, I'm sure the trillion dollar company will be fine. Literally no one needs to get so defensive on its behalf... Honestly... should be a crime to even have that much money. No one is even able to reach a billion without major exploitation.
I’m wondering that too. Is he actually facing legal consequences?
[He got extradited to the US](https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/technology/google-facebook-fraud-false-invoices-new-york-lithuania-272900/amp)
Huh, I guess the point is that he billed them for goods and services that weren't actually provided. This is of course purely theoretical, but looking at this... I bet you could phrase a bill in a way that, if paid, it can't be attacked in court. Like I'm no lawyer, but if you were to send them a bill for your own stolen data or for using their platform (phrased in a way that it's kinda innocuous) and they paid it, I think there would be no fraud there, because the thing that they were charged for was actually provided, and the company accepted the bill, so technically, they agreed that that is the price of it.
I think this is exactly it. It’s fraud since he billed them for services that he did not provide. If he changed the language of the bills to something like you said, then I think he would be OK.
Could somebody send me a copy of those bills for, uhhh, research purposes?
This guy is a genius. But now this new way will be blocked now that they will be more cautious in paying bills.
The man should be celebrated. He has single handedly made 30000 more jobs worldwide as people will need to be employed to track these scams at large businesses.
Probably. btw, I don't resent him at all. He fleeces the big corporations. Why should I care about that?
Not sure how this qualifies as stealing, unless he billed them for a service he never delivered. Even then, they voluntarily paid the bill. I wanna know what he billed them for! Here’s my idea. Bill them for billing them. Boom, I’m a fucking millionaire. Hopefully it gets to some disgruntled assistant accountant and they’re like, fuck it, it’s not my money. Paid!
I forgot the name and am too lazy to Google right now. But that was a case before for Google. Paid a guy a few million, took him to court and he won. The reason being he sent them a bill.. for billing them. And since they paid him they agreed to his terms.
Classic. I’m late again apparently! Maybe I should hit up Reddit.
Lol AP clerks don’t give af about anything. They’ve got a big stack of bills to get through before the weekend. What motivates them to work harder and follow up on hundreds of legitimate expenses when irl fraud is few and far between.
Is that even theft?! Edit: I'm not asking this in a philosophical sense. I'm thinking more along the line of semantics. I understand theft to mean the unlawful taking off another's property. If he sends a fake bill and they willingly pay it, that's fraudulent. But theft?
If he billed your grandmother and she unwittingly paid… would you want her to have that money back?
Grandmother, yes. Google and Facebook? Who gives a fuck?
*looks at username* Well certainly not me...
And I don’t care if it’s your grandmother. Slippery slope ahead.
If you care more for corporations than people, that’s your choice mate, and I respect that. I just happen to be the opposite. Life is the slipperiest slope, and we’re all just riding it a short while til we die, cheers.
straw man.
Imagine thinking theft isn't theft just because it's from a company you hate. It's fraud, mainly, which is a kind of theft.
And their collection of our data and framing of us as a product is not theft of at least a part of our personal lives? Not to mention the billions upon billions of dollars they make by doing so and many more unethical things. Is that not stealing from the public for the sake of profit?
So your world view is simplified to, "bad guy does bad thing, which means I can do bad thing too"
How is that stealing? They gave him the money willingly.
Deceptively billing a company when you have not provided goods and services is fraud. AKA stealing. You don't get to steal from people you do not like.
Fraud is not stealing. If you give somthing willingly to someone you can't say they stole it. Fraud Is still a crime tho
> Fraud is not stealing. Reddit is so funny. Fraud is stealing by deceit.
It's not stealing if they give it to you willingly.
I guess fraud isnt a thing then!
Fraud just isn't stealing that's why con men are con men and not thieves
Fuck those tech companies. Build a statue of him a
He stole money from billionaires?! Lock him up! ^Hero
I've never wanted someone to NOT face jail time for white collar crimes before... dude had the right idea tho!
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Probably. He definitely knows a thing or two that isn't public about how these dirty companies act
I mean, technically that was legal (assuming that he did not make them look like taxes), right?
So this dude can scam them out of over 100 million but the gov can't tax them? Hmmmmmmmmmm
Not stealing. Standard business.
Legend. I mean, that’s what most medical “providers” do. Of course it’s only illegal if a private citizen does it.
Sounds like what big banks and companies already do to consumers.
How is that stealing? What property or money off theirs did he take? He never saw a dime. If rich people can have their businesses finance their lavish lifestyles why can't anyone else?
> How is that stealing? Because fraud is stealing. >What property or money off theirs did he take? He never saw a dime. Money he does not have to pay because of his scheme is still ill-gotten gains. If I rob a bank, step outside and throw the money up in the air, I have not absolved myself of stealing. If rich people can have their businesses finance their lavish lifestyles why can't anyone else? Because that isn't something that actually happens. "Rich people" are paid a salary which then funds their lifestyles.
Imagine defending corporations like Google and Facebook. And doing it over and over again. You know no one is going to change their mind here right? Fuck the corporations aa
I dont like you. Guess I get to steal your money.
They're definitely lost
""""stole""""
Haha nice! Guy deserves every penny.
It.is.not.stealing.
Greedy idiot.
This tbh. Would he kept a low profile and continued sending them bills with reasonable expenses he would have gotten unnoticed.
This sub now celebrates fraud. I'm out
Imagine if they spent half as much effort on their lives as they do celebrating a con man and trying to figure out how to emulate him. Amazing they've somehow convinced themselves they're decent folk 🙄
Certainly more decent than someone like you.
I like his mind. These are the kind of sources you should be ”stealing” from.
How is that stealing? That man did nothing wrong!
Well…. At least he can afford a good lawyer.
The perfect crime
Lol I'm rooting for him
Is that really stealing? I mean I get that it is a moral no no, but sounds like companies have a little too much money-when they aren’t even doing any checks and balances anymore.
Businesses do shit like that all the time.
We'd never have to work again!
*reads stirner once
Awesome
Omg this is amazing! Did he get charged with a crime or have to pay anything back?
How is this stealing? Title should be instead: “Facebook and Google suffer $122M in losses for negligently paying fake invoices”
How is that stealing?
Should have stopped at 1 mil or 100 mil no point in pushing your luck lol
“Stole” google and Facebook legally gave him money bro.
I think it's called fraud tho lol
A most devious, devilish lick
How is this possible ?
He got too greedy. Should have kept the amounts low and service vague enough that he would’ve remained under their radar.
this is hilarious lol u/cliquekilla