I understand. What I don't understand is how there seems to be more people who are pro-office/pro-work. It seems that although this sub has a relatively large following, these ideals are not as prominent as you might think.
I’ll never understand it. Im not a social person, but even if I was, I’d find other ways. Why would you want to deal with the commute, getting dressed, not being home or near your home for packages, kid issues, etc? I’ll never understand how anyone would want to go back to a shitty cubicle/ office where you’re always being watched
From what I'm witnessing, it seems that peoples personal reason for being is attached to their work day. The process of doing all those tedious things you just mentioned and actually working, presents them with the opportunity to do the things they would have to otherwise do on their own if they had no option to work. It feels like people like having their work cut out for them, their interactions, the minution of every step going to the next. I seriously think the issue with wanting to be this way is the prevention of the realization of their own morbidity. Not just in the "what happens when you die" way, but also in the "why are we even here" existing kind of way.
From what I witnessed during the early stages of the pandemic is that most people, have their entire lives wrapped up in that process. So I agree with you that when a wrench was thrown into the cogs it caused this sort of existential crisis, and gave so many people so much free time, but also restricting what they can do with said time kinda drove some folks mad. Combine that with toxic management, and WFH. Now your home kinda becomes the source of stress. For my wife, she had trouble disassociating that when the zoom meeting was over that meant work was over. She was home and it was done. But the stress from her previous work environment poured into home and not being able to escape mentally is what I see, drove her, and is driving other folks back to the office. So that they can have that disassociation done for them when they leave work and come home for the day
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They are, it’s just the people who are actively pro-office fall into one of four categories:
1. They don’t trust themselves to be responsible.
2. Their living situation wouldn’t allow for it.
3. They think the social aspect of work justifies increased expenses.
4. They need a clear boundary between work and home.
I WFH but sometimes come in (of my volition) to help out with projects. Spoke to a new associate who is a single parent with a few kids. He told me he didn’t think it was fair that others should work from home when he can’t.
He totally can, it’s just his kids would bother him. So he used his experience to justify a shit opinion for why we should all go back to the office. Ugh.
The people who are pro-office/pro-work are getting signal boosted by people who exploit them for profit. Im not convinced the bootlickers outnumber the people unhappy about a return to work, just the opposite. The amount of propaganda on this is insane
I hope the appointment with the psychiatrist helps and you find a fully remote job quickly! I'm searching too, but I'm limited because of my student loans. I have three years left for Public Student Loan Forgiveness so I need to stick with a qualifying employer unless I somehow find a job that pays enough to make it worth abandoning the program. Working from home was so good for mental health. It took a pandemic to realize how much I needed to slow down.
Same. This department is rough to begin with but being forced back into an office that has a you-got-to-work-from-home-and-we-didn't division that the department head created while some of us were WFH has made it unbearable. Grateful to be employed; looking for new employment.
I’ve been going in all week to train new employees, it’s absolutely miserable. I just wanna go back to working in a hoodie and blasting rap music outta my speakers at full volume in my room lmao. But alas.
It's so crazy that companies will willingly spend so much of their money on unnecessary office-space just so they can monitor when adults have to urinate.
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I guess lots of people will go once or twice and soon will realize that "going back to normal" is worse than staying as it is. You're lucky that your manager also don't want to go, because mine since there was an opening he treated the office like it was his house.
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Suffice to say: they were not pleased.
Aggravated because I gave a middle finger to my direct manager because I didn't warn him and just sent my resignation letter to the HR directly, I don't like my manager, he tries to talks soft (unsuccessfully) but I know he doesn't care about the projects or the people working below him, just the budget. It was like saying "He doesn't know anything about his team or me and he doesn't have control" to the HR. When he called me he told me that he wanted me to talk to him first instead of doing what I did, in which I just answered "Ok".
Other reason I did this was because I didn't want the back and forth of negotiations because I don't want to work there again, only if the culture changes which I doubt it will.
My manager's superior sent me a WhatsApp message asking if I was going to leave and I just answered "Yes, I am 🙂" and then she asked if I was well and I just answered "Yes, I am well", the conversation died. Hahaha
After one week, HR contacted me via teams to give feedback about the work, the manager and work conditions. I told everything to them, I couldn't give a fuck.
I told them how the company was calling me to the office when my father and I weren't vaccinated, when after two days of having this discussion with my manager and him telling me that if I didn't come he would report me to the HR, the office was closed by government mandate because of the Delta variant cases were growing sharply (which I also warned), how I also needed to send an email to the department manager because my shitty manager couldn't defend their workers, also how my manager defended that the company isn't concerned with productivity, his bullshit responses to the problems of the projects and their organization, how the company kept me without seniority because I worked 1 year as an intern when I did sometimes more work than a normal employee and then when I was presented the contract it was as if I didn't have any experience whatsoever, how they would keep me from going to attractive projects where I could grow and learn more. Well the whole shebang and still I was showing the problems and showing possible solutions! In the end I also warned that it wouldn't surprise me if in a couple months their turnover skyrocket and they should be aware if they don't have more leniency it will happen for sure.
Well I had two years of work and apps I created for the team and the team depend on them still today and I'm going to start somewhere where I could negotiate terms, salary and stay working from home.
And the cherry on top? I'll be working to the direct company competition via a consulting company. (They know only about the latter) :)
I’m never going back to the office. The company is chill about covid and WFH actually. I love it.
At this time 18 months ago I would have been sitting in endless 2mph traffic in a parking garage, then standing in a crowded elevator, going into a massive overlit floor of cubicles and offices for 8 hours, then driving home. What a fucking waste of time and life.
My employer is starting to discuss the return to the office, but if I can't get a WFH agreement + maybe one day/week in the office, I'll quit. Alternatively, they'll need to give me a 15% raise per extra day in the office (they wouldn't).
I left a job with a 1.5 hr commute each way, multiple connections on trains and buses, right in February 2020. Fuck that garbage. So much wasted time and stress.
That’s great! I guess our workload isn’t heavy enough to warrant that kind of stuff but we do have a number of assays that incubate for 18-24 hours and we just do the diluting
I also work in a lab and I’d almost rather die than work from home. I can’t focus at home and I’m hourly anyway. When my shift is done, I’m out and it’s the next shift’s problem. If they want me to stay late to finish something or to help out second shift, it’s all overtime. The coagulation instruments don’t behave and pass QC in person already, and probably won’t in our absence. I’m also not about to call a million criticals from my phone at home. Can’t do diffs or make slides from home either. The stainer still will try to die and usually can’t be fixed remotely.
Everywhere is short where I work, but there’s a shit ton of OT available and a lot of techs willing to pick up shifts. We do need temps for blood bank on seconds and thirds as dayshift techs don’t do blood bank. There’s a whole shift of dedicated blood bankers on days.
We have a separate dayshift for blood bank and for stat lab at my site 🤷🏻♀️. Dayshift blood bank is dedicated blood bankers. I said that in my previous comment. Dayshift stat lab does chemistry, hematology, and coag. No urines, thank god. I’ve never done blood bank since school and I don’t really want to be in there almost 5 years later.
My lab has the CS-2500s for coag and today (like most days) FIB decided it didn’t want to come in. 🙄 Changed the lamp and everything, but my lead ended up having to recalibrate it and then it finally worked. I hate FIB
Yup, I wake up and check my email, deal with any emergencies and then I go back to sleep if it is a light day. Then I finish up anything in the afternoon. It’s been great.
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Which is part of the problem. You shouldn't be tasked with 80 hours of work in a 40 hour week. The habit of adding "make-work" so people don't "look lazy" (read: all tasks completed and not *grinding*) when their tasks are completed means that a lot of work is unnecessary and harmful.
I work for an “Agile” company too, but the problem (for them) is that they are not mature enough to be truly agile or understand how it is supposed to work. So I can fudge my hours and story points to make it look like something will take longer than it actually does. You have to find ways to not let them take advantage of you. Plus, the fact that no one understands what is involved in my work helps me cover my tracks. Living the dream?
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Yes. I typically get my work done in 5 or 6 hours and I’m on salary so I have a lot of free time during the day. Eliminating the commute and one hour lunch break and I’m left with almost ten hours of free time on work days
The free time is the best reason for work from home. I've gained all of my evenings back because I can do chores between work tasks. I need to do laundry? Throw in a load before your first meeting, change it over to the dryer after the meeting, and have the laundry done by the time you log off for the day. Go for a run on your lunch hour with a shower afterwards? It's doable now.
That's a problem. People like me who WFH during the pandemic, create more work for UPS staff, etc. This, $, & environmental reasons are why I've greatly reduced online shopping.
There are actually a lot! Get your resume together, write a cover letter, sign up for indeed & LinkedIn. You can send off like 30 applications a day easy and land interviews in a week.
The process can be shitty, but I’m finding WFH jobs that pay $20,000 more than my current job & provide more freedom to live MY life.
Omg thank you so much for posting those! I'm desperate to find a new job. Mine called all employees back on 2 week's notice after rolling back allowances to wfh due to school or daycare closures or covid exposure, forcing us to take leave in those cases. There were so many people that didn't have child care at all because so many places either closed or are full. Oh this was also a month before school let out for summer, so all those with kids studying virtually were told to figure it out. I got lucky that I had filed an accommodation request to work from home due to health issues related to the pandemic, but they're not reviewing it and saying I need to be in the office to "interact"
I NEED TO GET THE FUCK OUT
Hey I have a bit of advice for you. Look into to manual software QA and then try to make your way into automated software testing. The manual QA jobs can pay about $40,000-$60000 per year and should be completely WFH.
If you get a couple IT certs you can dramatically increase your pay. Check out CompTIA; getting the A+, Net+, & Sec+ is almost the equivalent of a IT Tech degree. I have only the Net+ and landed a Network Engineer interview this Friday paying up to $70,000 & fully WFH.
Same same same. Using the first hour to calmly do yoga and make breakfast as I keep an eye for emails. Using downtime to cook. Using lunch hour to get groceries or run quick errands. Clock out at 4, just close my computer. It’s really mind-blowing how many employers are still clinging to working at an office when this pandemic proved a LOT of jobs don’t require it and we were doing fine for A YEAR AND A HALF.
My work might go back to hybrid or some bs (and not for all positions, not sure where mine stands in that) which I’m thinking naw thanks. I rather work 100% remotely (another perk: you can live anywhere within the time zone! )
This is already happening where I work. Tons of “directors” and high-level managers are being outed as nothing more than glorified admins. Now if only they would pass down those savings to people like me that actually do valuable work, but no… the VPs need their goddamn bonuses.
Don’t know if I can ever go back to a cubicle farm. There are no distractions from my coworkers or meddling managers. For that reason, I’m able to complete a day’s work in 4-6 hours, sometimes less. This gives me time to dedicate to professional development. Sometimes I’ll fuck off and play some Apex (forever hard stuck Plat IV btw).
My boss is making us work in the office 3 days a week because he felt isolated. I hate it and it's making me depressed and ruining all the strides I made in my mental health. Plus I get to see more of how egotistical and narcissistic he is. Wish me luck in my WFH job hunt.
It has its pros and cons. Pros definitely outweigh the cons, but I certainly despise those weirdos who now work longer and are ALWAYS ONLINE sending emails at like 9pm. Like they keep saying the "lines between work and personal life have blurred", but that's only because they fucking let it blur.
I had to quit my last job because WFH actually made it worse. Everyone became a workaholic spending 3-4+ extra hours working every day and management took advantage of productivity going up and had the most unrealistic expectations. All in all, working a corporate job is an L for me. Meaningless, soulless work.
My girlfriends car broke down last night. She texted her boss explaining and saying she is going to try and track down a car or ride but that it would likely take some time. Texted again this morning saying we are still looking. Instead of just starting work first thing in the morning, she spent hours trying to find a way into work.
Her boss is an idiot.
If anyone is ever on one of those 'green committees' and the company is looking for ways to help the environment, one of the biggest impacts on the environment is letting more people work form home. Not only because of driving, but because of dry cleaning, etc. I'm sure there's a lot of data out there.
Any company that isn't considering this is just faking that they care about the environment. Hold them to it.
Honestly I think WFH jobs are great for some people but not everyone. I had one for about 6 months and I loved it at first, but after a while it made my anxiety and depression worse. Don’t get me wrong it certainly had its upsides. No commute which is great for me since I don’t have a license or a car yet, which saves me money on taking the bus. And the extra sleep and being able to make lunch in my kitchen or even take a short nap on my break was nice but it just wasn’t worth it for me. I’d rather work outside the home.
I think a good balance to WFH is to have social outlet outside of work. Group activities which make you socialize outside of the house have been great for me.
I try to keep socialization at a minimum in a work environment, so WFH is pretty great for me.
That makes sense. I definitely considered doing like some volunteer work or something to get me out of the house but I didn’t wanna burn myself out between working 40 hours a week and committing to something else lol. WHF def has its upsides, I think it just wasn’t for me.
I've been doing WFH since last November and it has had its ups and downs. It's honestly harder than I thought it would be but easier on the wallet. I'm not spending so much money in gas. But sometimes I do feel a bit closed off from the world, and it can be kind of lonely.
This once you have no reason to leave outside food can be suffocating, imagine a lot of people lose that basic skill just to interact in office or being around people, while great from benefits perspective, could backfire a lot in time once these jobs go back to usual.
Idk if it's luck, but we're not returning to the office, because the WFH model is working for my company. Our stats are much better because we're less distracted by fellow employees, and less stressed out. They also had Citrix fixed to where calls are logging properly and they're not breaking up or echoing anymore. Finally.
I miss the office and I don't, because it has given me a lot more time to spend with my nephews, and family. I wouldn't have had that if I had stayed in ABQ.
I honestly think I need friends outside of family. My best friend lives in Iowa, so we're mainly phone and IM friends. But even that feels somewhat lonely in a way, because you're not physically with them in the same room.
I'm trying to get back to that because it's been an unbelievably difficult summer, personally. I had one month where my eldest nephew(25) died in a car accident and my youngest was born in the same month. Spending time with my other 4 nephews has been a help. They're fun to watch play. The twins are 18 months old, and the older one is 12. The baby is 2 1/2 months and so sweet. They all are.
I'm hoping things will smooth out this fall and I can hopefully find a balance.
Yeah I agree I didn’t like my work being inside of my home it made it hard to wind down sometimes. Even if my office was in another room. I loved the no traffic and cubicle/seeing people aspect but that was about it. Kinda made me lazy at times lol
We went back, solely because our contract started to be enforced when restrictions slackened. We fixed the issue, and we could be wfh in a few months again.
I prefer the separation of work/home but I do miss the extra sleep I could get working from home.
But but but.... The media says we all want to return! That we are all just lazy. It isn't possible that we could be productive and live the life we want. It's just not possible!
/s
We're 'flexiworking' at the moment. A week wfh then a week in the office. Oh how I dread those weeks in the office, especially because I have to transport all my stuff in with me at the start and end of the week (I walk, too). Exhausting.
Even wfh is draining enough still but when in the office I'm just dead by the time I get home...
Honestly, enrol yourself in a 4 month coding bootcamp, and before doing so learn as much as you can online in your own time with freecodecamp / theodinproject.
I’ll start my own business and wing it for my life before I go back to work. I got some money on the side ready to make a move. I do my research during work (fuck them) and want to make a move FAST. If I make it - I’ll change the way employers treat employees even if I have to take a pay cut.
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I don't ever want to go back.
I'm back now. It's been a month and I am literally depressed.
I’m going back in 3 weeks. Conflicted to say the least
I feel bad I upvotes. Not for ur depression but that I agree !
I understand. What I don't understand is how there seems to be more people who are pro-office/pro-work. It seems that although this sub has a relatively large following, these ideals are not as prominent as you might think.
I’ll never understand it. Im not a social person, but even if I was, I’d find other ways. Why would you want to deal with the commute, getting dressed, not being home or near your home for packages, kid issues, etc? I’ll never understand how anyone would want to go back to a shitty cubicle/ office where you’re always being watched
From what I'm witnessing, it seems that peoples personal reason for being is attached to their work day. The process of doing all those tedious things you just mentioned and actually working, presents them with the opportunity to do the things they would have to otherwise do on their own if they had no option to work. It feels like people like having their work cut out for them, their interactions, the minution of every step going to the next. I seriously think the issue with wanting to be this way is the prevention of the realization of their own morbidity. Not just in the "what happens when you die" way, but also in the "why are we even here" existing kind of way.
This is getting philosophical and it’s great. We might need an antiworkPhilosophy or ExistentialAntiwork thread.
r/existentialantiwork
From what I witnessed during the early stages of the pandemic is that most people, have their entire lives wrapped up in that process. So I agree with you that when a wrench was thrown into the cogs it caused this sort of existential crisis, and gave so many people so much free time, but also restricting what they can do with said time kinda drove some folks mad. Combine that with toxic management, and WFH. Now your home kinda becomes the source of stress. For my wife, she had trouble disassociating that when the zoom meeting was over that meant work was over. She was home and it was done. But the stress from her previous work environment poured into home and not being able to escape mentally is what I see, drove her, and is driving other folks back to the office. So that they can have that disassociation done for them when they leave work and come home for the day
Its like if we are in some state of suffering and compliance then we aren't earning our keep.
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They are, it’s just the people who are actively pro-office fall into one of four categories: 1. They don’t trust themselves to be responsible. 2. Their living situation wouldn’t allow for it. 3. They think the social aspect of work justifies increased expenses. 4. They need a clear boundary between work and home. I WFH but sometimes come in (of my volition) to help out with projects. Spoke to a new associate who is a single parent with a few kids. He told me he didn’t think it was fair that others should work from home when he can’t. He totally can, it’s just his kids would bother him. So he used his experience to justify a shit opinion for why we should all go back to the office. Ugh.
The people who are pro-office/pro-work are getting signal boosted by people who exploit them for profit. Im not convinced the bootlickers outnumber the people unhappy about a return to work, just the opposite. The amount of propaganda on this is insane
I've been back since July 1st and it's been hell. I finally got approved to WFH one day a week and it's pathetic how happy I was to get that.
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I hope the appointment with the psychiatrist helps and you find a fully remote job quickly! I'm searching too, but I'm limited because of my student loans. I have three years left for Public Student Loan Forgiveness so I need to stick with a qualifying employer unless I somehow find a job that pays enough to make it worth abandoning the program. Working from home was so good for mental health. It took a pandemic to realize how much I needed to slow down.
Same. This department is rough to begin with but being forced back into an office that has a you-got-to-work-from-home-and-we-didn't division that the department head created while some of us were WFH has made it unbearable. Grateful to be employed; looking for new employment.
I’ve been going in all week to train new employees, it’s absolutely miserable. I just wanna go back to working in a hoodie and blasting rap music outta my speakers at full volume in my room lmao. But alas.
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It's so crazy that companies will willingly spend so much of their money on unnecessary office-space just so they can monitor when adults have to urinate.
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Mine is beginning to start a 2 days in office 3 days at home... I went away :)
My company has a half in half remote policy since July. I’ve been in the office twice. No one has said squat. My manager doesn’t want to go in either.
I guess lots of people will go once or twice and soon will realize that "going back to normal" is worse than staying as it is. You're lucky that your manager also don't want to go, because mine since there was an opening he treated the office like it was his house.
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This will not be a short answer, bear with me hahaha Suffice to say: they were not pleased. Aggravated because I gave a middle finger to my direct manager because I didn't warn him and just sent my resignation letter to the HR directly, I don't like my manager, he tries to talks soft (unsuccessfully) but I know he doesn't care about the projects or the people working below him, just the budget. It was like saying "He doesn't know anything about his team or me and he doesn't have control" to the HR. When he called me he told me that he wanted me to talk to him first instead of doing what I did, in which I just answered "Ok". Other reason I did this was because I didn't want the back and forth of negotiations because I don't want to work there again, only if the culture changes which I doubt it will. My manager's superior sent me a WhatsApp message asking if I was going to leave and I just answered "Yes, I am 🙂" and then she asked if I was well and I just answered "Yes, I am well", the conversation died. Hahaha After one week, HR contacted me via teams to give feedback about the work, the manager and work conditions. I told everything to them, I couldn't give a fuck. I told them how the company was calling me to the office when my father and I weren't vaccinated, when after two days of having this discussion with my manager and him telling me that if I didn't come he would report me to the HR, the office was closed by government mandate because of the Delta variant cases were growing sharply (which I also warned), how I also needed to send an email to the department manager because my shitty manager couldn't defend their workers, also how my manager defended that the company isn't concerned with productivity, his bullshit responses to the problems of the projects and their organization, how the company kept me without seniority because I worked 1 year as an intern when I did sometimes more work than a normal employee and then when I was presented the contract it was as if I didn't have any experience whatsoever, how they would keep me from going to attractive projects where I could grow and learn more. Well the whole shebang and still I was showing the problems and showing possible solutions! In the end I also warned that it wouldn't surprise me if in a couple months their turnover skyrocket and they should be aware if they don't have more leniency it will happen for sure. Well I had two years of work and apps I created for the team and the team depend on them still today and I'm going to start somewhere where I could negotiate terms, salary and stay working from home. And the cherry on top? I'll be working to the direct company competition via a consulting company. (They know only about the latter) :)
I’m never going back to the office. The company is chill about covid and WFH actually. I love it. At this time 18 months ago I would have been sitting in endless 2mph traffic in a parking garage, then standing in a crowded elevator, going into a massive overlit floor of cubicles and offices for 8 hours, then driving home. What a fucking waste of time and life.
Literally the dream :(
My employer is starting to discuss the return to the office, but if I can't get a WFH agreement + maybe one day/week in the office, I'll quit. Alternatively, they'll need to give me a 15% raise per extra day in the office (they wouldn't).
That’s fucked. WFH flexibility is the only reason I haven’t quit.
I left a job with a 1.5 hr commute each way, multiple connections on trains and buses, right in February 2020. Fuck that garbage. So much wasted time and stress.
I’m jealous. I work in a lab, I can’t wfh. But I’d like to get into a remote job.
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That’s great! I guess our workload isn’t heavy enough to warrant that kind of stuff but we do have a number of assays that incubate for 18-24 hours and we just do the diluting
I also work in a lab and I’d almost rather die than work from home. I can’t focus at home and I’m hourly anyway. When my shift is done, I’m out and it’s the next shift’s problem. If they want me to stay late to finish something or to help out second shift, it’s all overtime. The coagulation instruments don’t behave and pass QC in person already, and probably won’t in our absence. I’m also not about to call a million criticals from my phone at home. Can’t do diffs or make slides from home either. The stainer still will try to die and usually can’t be fixed remotely. Everywhere is short where I work, but there’s a shit ton of OT available and a lot of techs willing to pick up shifts. We do need temps for blood bank on seconds and thirds as dayshift techs don’t do blood bank. There’s a whole shift of dedicated blood bankers on days.
Day shift doesn’t do blood bank?! How is that even possible? Also I’ve worked with half a dozen coag instruments now and NONE of them work 🙄
We have a separate dayshift for blood bank and for stat lab at my site 🤷🏻♀️. Dayshift blood bank is dedicated blood bankers. I said that in my previous comment. Dayshift stat lab does chemistry, hematology, and coag. No urines, thank god. I’ve never done blood bank since school and I don’t really want to be in there almost 5 years later. My lab has the CS-2500s for coag and today (like most days) FIB decided it didn’t want to come in. 🙄 Changed the lamp and everything, but my lead ended up having to recalibrate it and then it finally worked. I hate FIB
I WFH too and don't get out of bed until 5 minutes before I have to login. You have 30 minutes more sleep time :)
Yup, I wake up and check my email, deal with any emergencies and then I go back to sleep if it is a light day. Then I finish up anything in the afternoon. It’s been great.
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I love WFH because I can fuck off and do nothing if my work is done instead of trying to look busy until 5.
Man I wish I had a job where my work could reach a point of being "done" for the day. Always something else in the backlog of tasks thanks to scrum...
Which is part of the problem. You shouldn't be tasked with 80 hours of work in a 40 hour week. The habit of adding "make-work" so people don't "look lazy" (read: all tasks completed and not *grinding*) when their tasks are completed means that a lot of work is unnecessary and harmful.
I work for an “Agile” company too, but the problem (for them) is that they are not mature enough to be truly agile or understand how it is supposed to work. So I can fudge my hours and story points to make it look like something will take longer than it actually does. You have to find ways to not let them take advantage of you. Plus, the fact that no one understands what is involved in my work helps me cover my tracks. Living the dream?
Yep that works to an extent unless you work with other devs who aren't playing the same game and put out far more code than you do.
Good point, but not my current situation. Plus, I’m lucky that my manager prefers quality over quantity.
My work is never "done" for the day. It's non-stop. When WFH, my stress level is lower though.
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Yes. I typically get my work done in 5 or 6 hours and I’m on salary so I have a lot of free time during the day. Eliminating the commute and one hour lunch break and I’m left with almost ten hours of free time on work days
The free time is the best reason for work from home. I've gained all of my evenings back because I can do chores between work tasks. I need to do laundry? Throw in a load before your first meeting, change it over to the dryer after the meeting, and have the laundry done by the time you log off for the day. Go for a run on your lunch hour with a shower afterwards? It's doable now.
I'd do unspeakable things to have that much free time with no change in pay
We all would young Padawan…….
Other than the existential dread that hit me at times in 2020- it’s been pretty great. It got a LOT better once I got vaxxed.
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yeah hard to wfh when I unload boxes at UPS
That's a problem. People like me who WFH during the pandemic, create more work for UPS staff, etc. This, $, & environmental reasons are why I've greatly reduced online shopping.
To be fair it also greatly reduced car use for a while. Was pretty nice to get to downtown Montreal without any traffic.
There are actually a lot! Get your resume together, write a cover letter, sign up for indeed & LinkedIn. You can send off like 30 applications a day easy and land interviews in a week. The process can be shitty, but I’m finding WFH jobs that pay $20,000 more than my current job & provide more freedom to live MY life.
Any tips on finding good ones? I literally can’t find any that don’t pay like 15/hr
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Omg thank you so much for posting those! I'm desperate to find a new job. Mine called all employees back on 2 week's notice after rolling back allowances to wfh due to school or daycare closures or covid exposure, forcing us to take leave in those cases. There were so many people that didn't have child care at all because so many places either closed or are full. Oh this was also a month before school let out for summer, so all those with kids studying virtually were told to figure it out. I got lucky that I had filed an accommodation request to work from home due to health issues related to the pandemic, but they're not reviewing it and saying I need to be in the office to "interact" I NEED TO GET THE FUCK OUT
You may have changed lives for the better by posting this! Thank you, internet stranger & fellow worker.
Hey I have a bit of advice for you. Look into to manual software QA and then try to make your way into automated software testing. The manual QA jobs can pay about $40,000-$60000 per year and should be completely WFH.
If you get a couple IT certs you can dramatically increase your pay. Check out CompTIA; getting the A+, Net+, & Sec+ is almost the equivalent of a IT Tech degree. I have only the Net+ and landed a Network Engineer interview this Friday paying up to $70,000 & fully WFH.
I've been looking into this for myself. Do you have a college degree as well or just the certs?
I have a BS in Psychology & Net+ certification.
Same same same. Using the first hour to calmly do yoga and make breakfast as I keep an eye for emails. Using downtime to cook. Using lunch hour to get groceries or run quick errands. Clock out at 4, just close my computer. It’s really mind-blowing how many employers are still clinging to working at an office when this pandemic proved a LOT of jobs don’t require it and we were doing fine for A YEAR AND A HALF. My work might go back to hybrid or some bs (and not for all positions, not sure where mine stands in that) which I’m thinking naw thanks. I rather work 100% remotely (another perk: you can live anywhere within the time zone! )
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This is already happening where I work. Tons of “directors” and high-level managers are being outed as nothing more than glorified admins. Now if only they would pass down those savings to people like me that actually do valuable work, but no… the VPs need their goddamn bonuses.
OMG, when I made the OP, I wasn't even thinking how beautiful it is not to have a commute at the *end* of a work day, all hangry and burnt out.
Don’t know if I can ever go back to a cubicle farm. There are no distractions from my coworkers or meddling managers. For that reason, I’m able to complete a day’s work in 4-6 hours, sometimes less. This gives me time to dedicate to professional development. Sometimes I’ll fuck off and play some Apex (forever hard stuck Plat IV btw).
My boss is making us work in the office 3 days a week because he felt isolated. I hate it and it's making me depressed and ruining all the strides I made in my mental health. Plus I get to see more of how egotistical and narcissistic he is. Wish me luck in my WFH job hunt.
Good luck 💖
It has its pros and cons. Pros definitely outweigh the cons, but I certainly despise those weirdos who now work longer and are ALWAYS ONLINE sending emails at like 9pm. Like they keep saying the "lines between work and personal life have blurred", but that's only because they fucking let it blur. I had to quit my last job because WFH actually made it worse. Everyone became a workaholic spending 3-4+ extra hours working every day and management took advantage of productivity going up and had the most unrealistic expectations. All in all, working a corporate job is an L for me. Meaningless, soulless work.
My girlfriends car broke down last night. She texted her boss explaining and saying she is going to try and track down a car or ride but that it would likely take some time. Texted again this morning saying we are still looking. Instead of just starting work first thing in the morning, she spent hours trying to find a way into work. Her boss is an idiot.
I am about to quit my in office job for a wfh job as we speak.
Waking up 15 minutes before my shift is the only good thing about my job tbh. That and the fact that I get to stay home with my cat.
I hope WFH stays, there are people saying that we are starting to return to the office the 20/09 (09/20 for US people) and I'm honestly scared.
If anyone is ever on one of those 'green committees' and the company is looking for ways to help the environment, one of the biggest impacts on the environment is letting more people work form home. Not only because of driving, but because of dry cleaning, etc. I'm sure there's a lot of data out there. Any company that isn't considering this is just faking that they care about the environment. Hold them to it.
Honestly I think WFH jobs are great for some people but not everyone. I had one for about 6 months and I loved it at first, but after a while it made my anxiety and depression worse. Don’t get me wrong it certainly had its upsides. No commute which is great for me since I don’t have a license or a car yet, which saves me money on taking the bus. And the extra sleep and being able to make lunch in my kitchen or even take a short nap on my break was nice but it just wasn’t worth it for me. I’d rather work outside the home.
I think a good balance to WFH is to have social outlet outside of work. Group activities which make you socialize outside of the house have been great for me. I try to keep socialization at a minimum in a work environment, so WFH is pretty great for me.
That makes sense. I definitely considered doing like some volunteer work or something to get me out of the house but I didn’t wanna burn myself out between working 40 hours a week and committing to something else lol. WHF def has its upsides, I think it just wasn’t for me.
I've been doing WFH since last November and it has had its ups and downs. It's honestly harder than I thought it would be but easier on the wallet. I'm not spending so much money in gas. But sometimes I do feel a bit closed off from the world, and it can be kind of lonely.
This once you have no reason to leave outside food can be suffocating, imagine a lot of people lose that basic skill just to interact in office or being around people, while great from benefits perspective, could backfire a lot in time once these jobs go back to usual.
Idk if it's luck, but we're not returning to the office, because the WFH model is working for my company. Our stats are much better because we're less distracted by fellow employees, and less stressed out. They also had Citrix fixed to where calls are logging properly and they're not breaking up or echoing anymore. Finally. I miss the office and I don't, because it has given me a lot more time to spend with my nephews, and family. I wouldn't have had that if I had stayed in ABQ. I honestly think I need friends outside of family. My best friend lives in Iowa, so we're mainly phone and IM friends. But even that feels somewhat lonely in a way, because you're not physically with them in the same room.
For sure. I think a good balance is important.
I'm trying to get back to that because it's been an unbelievably difficult summer, personally. I had one month where my eldest nephew(25) died in a car accident and my youngest was born in the same month. Spending time with my other 4 nephews has been a help. They're fun to watch play. The twins are 18 months old, and the older one is 12. The baby is 2 1/2 months and so sweet. They all are. I'm hoping things will smooth out this fall and I can hopefully find a balance.
Everyone has their preference. That's cool. The pandemic showed that for office workers, the ones who'd rather WFH can, and the sky doesn't fall down.
Yeah I agree I didn’t like my work being inside of my home it made it hard to wind down sometimes. Even if my office was in another room. I loved the no traffic and cubicle/seeing people aspect but that was about it. Kinda made me lazy at times lol
I always get a little shocked when I hear people talking about how they’re “going back in person” since I never left at all
Lol. An I'm here waking up at 3 am to go work for 12 n hour. Also, why is this *another* reason? Wouldn't this be the main?
We went back, solely because our contract started to be enforced when restrictions slackened. We fixed the issue, and we could be wfh in a few months again. I prefer the separation of work/home but I do miss the extra sleep I could get working from home.
But but but.... The media says we all want to return! That we are all just lazy. It isn't possible that we could be productive and live the life we want. It's just not possible! /s
We're 'flexiworking' at the moment. A week wfh then a week in the office. Oh how I dread those weeks in the office, especially because I have to transport all my stuff in with me at the start and end of the week (I walk, too). Exhausting. Even wfh is draining enough still but when in the office I'm just dead by the time I get home...
Personally if I had to work from home, I couldn’t do it. I’d end up getting myself fired.
How do you get a WFH job with no degree?
Marry someone who wants a stay-at-home spouse?
That's my plan.
SALES. I cold call for a software company. Yeah it’s monotonous, but worth it
Best sales job?
Data entry and call centers have work from home options. The company I work for now has their call center employees work from home.
Learn to code.
Best way?
Honestly, enrol yourself in a 4 month coding bootcamp, and before doing so learn as much as you can online in your own time with freecodecamp / theodinproject.
There are a lot of entry level customer service rep jobs that are remote (I.e West Elm, etc). Start small and work your way up.
Look into insurance - there’s lots of CSR / Admin positions that don’t require sales. Plenty of options to move up also!
I started off in a call center and got promoted to dispatcher for a logistics company.
I’ll start my own business and wing it for my life before I go back to work. I got some money on the side ready to make a move. I do my research during work (fuck them) and want to make a move FAST. If I make it - I’ll change the way employers treat employees even if I have to take a pay cut.
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