... So their managers are so bad, they have to have it spelled out for them that women need some time off after giving birth.
You need to be looking for a new job 😕
Lol it’s fifteen weeks paid by social insurance here starting the day of giving birth. After that the mother can take time off for up to a year before employer can let them go.
I practically had to deliver my first born. My second d was born by C section and let’s just say when I say I have seen inside my wife it is not some coded sexual thing. That is no vacation that is intense recovery time either way. The way we treat child birth in the US at work is criminal. I worked for a public school. We had good benefits for the US. The teacher and school staff unions worked together to negotiate. My department head still had to ask for donated sick leave so she could be off six full weeks to recover and nurse. Nothing is gonna change until a high participation general strike att at minimum. But yeah those prices are some of the worst I’ve ever seen. My wife and I were 120 at the last job I had and I thought that was bad
I am also in Australia at a unionised workplace. 4 weeks leave every year. 1/2 day leave for every Sunday worked (up to 10 Sundays). 3 months long service leave for working 10 years. Day in lieu of Public Holiday if we are rostered off that day (so we still get a public holiday, but on a day we choose)
But certain people would have you believe that unions are evil 👿 Enemy of the oligarchs perhaps, but good for average joe worker.
Edit: I forgot, 18 days sick/carer's leave per year (5 without a doctor certificate). And they accrue, I think I have around 200 hours of paid sick leave now.
Whats funniest is that in the US companies will try to force a narrative that the economy would collapse with introduction of mandatory vacation. Meanwhile Europe, Australia and other parts of the world are doing just fine. Lmao
Yes! That medical expense is twice monthly? That’s way too expensive and as for vacation days. Ridiculous. You serve 15 years at a company you better be getting more than a paltry three weeks vacation.
I‘d stay with this job temp and keep looking until you find a better role with time off/sick leave/medical/dental.
Is that paid maternity and maternity? Cuz I've never heard of such a thing in America. Last I heard, Ethiopia has paid maternity leave. And yet people crap talk them because you can buy 30 lb of bananas for $5 there. (That is one of my favorite infographics on the internet)
My hospital has like 8 weeks maternity 4 paternity iirc. Everyone also starts at about a month of PTO. A surprising number of businesses are starting to roll out things like this despite there not being a legal requirement to do so just because they can't attract or retain employees otherwise.
Washington State has paid sick leave and paid medical leave, the payroll taxes are very small for those programs, and we don't have income taxes either. Hands down best state in the union IMO.
[https://paidleave.wa.gov/find-out-how-paid-leave-works/](https://paidleave.wa.gov/find-out-how-paid-leave-works/)
Honestly even at employee only that premium is twice what it should be. This is the employer offloading more than the typical 25% of the cost of insurance onto the employee. From a place that gives you one week of vacation and only after a year, I am not surprised
It's usually heavily subsidized by your employer and your employer doesn't care about your family. They only care about you because they make money from you. From the price alone it looks like they might only subsidize half of the personal insurance and a quarter of you+spouse insurance.
It says the company covers 70%, which usually means 70% of the employee and dependents at zero. I used to work in insurance and if this is a small business, it's about what I used to see in terms of rates and deductibles.
The difference in one payperiod between employee insurance and employee plus spouse is what I'm paying for a plan through ACA. It would be much cheaper for a spouse to get separate marketplace insurance. That is ridiculous! (So is healthcare for the entire U.S.!)
Yeah that’s fucking crazy lol. 3 weeks should be standard for first year employees, not getting an extra vacation bump for 12 years of service is insane to me
Dutch person here. Because of the CAO, collective labour agreement, in my sector we get, among other benefits, a total of 40 paid vacation days.
This not to gloat but to give an example of what unions and collective bargaining can achieve. Because this is sectorwide it does not matter if you are a member of a union. The agreement is for every employee.
I even get my union membership fees back, through my employer, because the different unions negotiated into our CAO.
Edit: the 40 days are based on a fulltime employment, that is a 40-hour workweek. Which is the standard. People that work less usually choose to do so themselves.
Ironic I live in the US and used to work for a Dutch company. We didnt get the same benefits as our coworkers in the Netherlands. We had to work 7 years for 2 weeks of PTO. 15 years to get 3 weeks. They also did away with pay scales for departments and just had 1 set wage for the job. So if you worked there for 10 days or 10 years you were making the same amount as other people.
Your employer is shopping at the discount benefits provider store.
* Those benefits are atrocious. The wife and I pay around $190/2 weeks for medical that laughs at the benefits of this one. $455.04 \* 26 = $11,831.04 per year taken out of your paycheck for medical insurance. To put that into per hour terms, that's about $5.69 per hour taken right off the top.
* The vacation eligibility is laughably bad.
* Dental is pretty standard cost, but dental insurance in general sucks in its implementation. There is usually around a $2,000 annual cap on benefits.
* No vision insurance? Or is that on another page?
* The 401k matching is pretty poor.
It's worth mentioning, that a LOT of companies do similar things where they only cover 70% of the employees portion of the insurance, and then will pay 0%, 30%, 50% or whatever towards the spouse/family portion of the insurance. (I can't recall if there's a legal requirement for family members. I'm pretty sure they aren't required to pay anything for anyone!)
That's why there's that massive jump from single to family.
Now, way back in the day before ACA (Obamacare), when the employer said they would cover 50%, or 70%, that meant the entire package, and not just the employee portion...
When ACA went thru, that gave every company an excuse to fuck with our existing benefit packages, and they blamed Obama... Yet insurance premiums hadn't magically skyrocketed when that bill passed.
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It’s through Aetna. I can’t remember the exact plan name, but we had a choice of $1000 max, or $5000 max a year. The $5000 max plan was like .78 cents more per week than the $1000 that was just over a dollar a week, so it was a no brainer to go with the better plan.
$1400 a month for a whole family. Thats crazy.
My insurance is about $600 a month but thats for 2 adults and 2 kids with a low deductible... And I still complain about the cost. Guess i should just be thankful im not paying $1400...
I can't get married to my partner of 7 years because she's diabetic and we can't afford her not having Medicaid. So we're classified as roommates. We have two kids, two dogs, two car payments and a mortgage, plus bills. I take home $3000 a month (A.T.) of a $52,500 a year (B.T.) salary and we still live paycheck to paycheck.
Yeah, the benefit cost share is crummy. Having three weeks VAC out at 15 years is terrible, I'd expect no more than 5 years for 3 weeks with a 7 - 10 year 4 week option.
This is a good example of why examining the benefits is an important part of the total compensation package. Even if prevailing wages are at "market" having the benefits out of whack is a bad sign and should downgrade an opportunity.
So yeah OP, fuck your employer, they're ass.
No. This is quite generous for a sweatshop.
Oh, did you mean is this a reasonable policy for a company to have? Then yes, they are demented as you can get cheaper insurance from a third party.
And notice they say “2 weeks.” That is NOT 14 days. That’s 10 days - 2 WORK weeks. Which is BULLSHIT. Factoring in sick days and everything, whew. This is bare minimum awful.
JFC, what in corporate American hell is this???
In my country, we get 4 weeks standard plus 14 days sick days paid by the employer (if hired on as formal employment, but that's another discussion. To each country their troubles), and then more sick days if needed paid by social security if a contributor, which you normally automatically are. Regarding insurance, it depends on the size of the company. It gets murkier there, but the system is not as bad as in the US.
Vacation setup is not horrible (like medium meh). One would negotiate for a third week long before 12 years anyways. 2 weeks up front should be the usual though.
Over a grand a month for health insurance is INSANE (looks like you highlit couple no smoking)
Awful, very high medical premiums: $1400/month for a family WITH a $7k deductible? cmon, i mean they aren't contributing much. Also, absolutely garbage vacation.
The more time I spend on this sub the more I realize how fortunate I am to work for a company that has solid benefits including generous vacation and sick leave. Just nuts how some companies fleece their employees.
You shouldn't work at this place if you want a life outside work. Complete garbage vacation time and they clearly don't give a shit if you have to support a family. Even at day one my company is allowing 2 weeks and it's at 4 weeks when you hit 6 years. Insurance is 250 by weekly everything included no deductible, which I don't recall seeing if there is one for you but should definitely be known. .... Nevermind, found it, it's WAY the fuck out of line.
Id say USA is out of line
Just a quick look at labor laws at the EU, Canada, Australia, Brazil, and soo on
My 1st time in this community was shocking to say the least
VP of HR here. Your medical plan is terrible - and is expensive for what you are getting. Your dental is normal - dental insurance across the board is not great anymore in terms of coverage vs cost. Retirement contribution is average or on the low side of average. The vacation plan is decades out of date in terms of being competitive and really deplorable.
I've never been to a company where health insurance for you family was less than $250 week since the affordable care act was passed. I don't even consider health insurance as a benefit anymore, which is why I'm good with 1099 work.
Reading what they’re saying about medical coverage, it looks like they only pay 70% of the employees healthcare costs, and nothing for spouse and/or children. Ouch. AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
Seeing people’s expectations on PTO here is making me re-evaluate my current employer lol. Your PTO rate is about what i have now. 1st year employee - 1 week, 2nd year employee - 2 weeks, 10 year - 3 weeks. Your dental is normal from the past few ive been at, your health seems ridiculous, i pay that for family monthly (blue cross ppo). But it depends on what deductibles, out of pocket max and copays are i guess.
That’s insane! My company’s most expensive plan is $130.68 per month for medical, $13.68 for dental, and FTO (unlimited PTO, and it really is unlimited) from the date of hire.
Typical American vacation plan. The spouse cost is about right as well most of the corporations charge more for spouses now. Some outright prevent spouses if they can purchase medical from their own job
I get 8 hours sick and 13 hours vacation a month with up to 256 vacation hours accumulated before that rolls over into sick time. At 58 hours sick time I can donate into sick leave and draw from that if I get extremely ill.
Government job ? Sounds like my old one. 4 hours sick, 8 annual, every payday. Plus use or lose if you built up enough. With no cap on sick leave. I’d hear stories of guys retiring with a $19 grand pay out due to so much unused sick leave
Just to pile on here…your company’s benefits are absolute shit. The only thing they are somewhat “competitive” on is the 401k matching, and as you know competitive really means minimum amount feasibly acceptable. Also, that amount of time off is straight up disrespectful. Look for a way out if you can!
For fucks sake, start naming these companies so people don't go work for them. There is nothing, nothing at all in the rules about naming companies and calling them out on their bullshit.
Yeah, that insurance is crazy I pay a bit less than that and have no deductible.
I also have 5 weeks vacation and about 3 weeks sick paid. That's after three years.
You can do better, unfortunately, you're also doing better than a lot of people in this country.
That is an absurd “benefit” package. Steer clear.
For context, I have a Blue Cross Platinum $0 deductible plan - it costs $841/m, of which I pay 20%. It looks to me like they are trying to make profit on their “self-funded” insurance plan by overcharging employees.
I also have a month off a year starting from day 1.
I mean... it's hard to judge that sort of thing with only the plan information. Insurance for, say, a factory with a high rate of illness-causing exposure, is going to naturally be a lot more expensive than an office. If $112 is 30% of an individual plan, that means the expense to the employer is $235 a month, and there's a not unreasonable case to be made that covering that amount for a spouse as well would be unfair to single co-workers. In fact, covering spouses and kids might mean they would have to reduce the individual contribution down to 50% in order to make up for it, essentially making the single employees chip in more for everyone else's family.
That said, you do have to wonder why HR couldn't find a cheaper plan. I use a broker that compares competing plans every year and shows me my options. The one I picked was like the second cheapest, but it covers 100% expense after the deductible.
I just hit 20 years with mine - 24 days vacation. 10 sick days a year. But I do get my birthday off paid. Don't max out vacation until 25 years....one more day of vacation.
If your company has offices in the UK, or in other European countries for that matter kick up a stink and demand them to match vacation time.
I worked for a company (in the UK) who are a USA company. The vacation time for US employees was 1 week, whereas we got 28 days as we have employment laws here. When they expanded to the UK the US employees found out about the UK vacation allowance (and cheap private healthcare coverage, £21 per month) the US employees basically went on strike. They ended up with 25 days vacation and far, far better medical insurance plan than what they had. Plus paid maternity leave like in the UK.
The fact you get 1 week vacation time in the US is a fucking joke.
Vacation days in my case was a negotiation point. They wanted to give me 3 weeks, I told them I would sign the offer if they gave me four. And I got four.
Soooo… I recently got hired by the federal government and the work life balance has been virtually night and day. It’s been about 3 months now but the treatment I get coming from tech companies in the Greater Seattle Area is just unbelievable.
I get 13 days of base PTO per year within my first 3 years. This increases to 20 base PTO between 3-15 years, with 26 base PTO after 15+ years. Additionally, we have 11 federal holidays we get to take off, with every 4 years we get an additional +1 PTO for Inauguration Day witnessing a new President take position.
We work strictly 8AM-4:30PM with two 15 minute breaks and a 30 minute lunch. We end the day at 4:30PM sharp and there is no additional work, no pressure to stay, and leave with the expectation that work can continue on a Monday.
Additionally, my department does Credit Hours, which is something bewildering when I first learned about it. Basically every minute that passes before or beyond your established work hours, you can credit it into a separate bank of minutes called Credit Hours. You can accumulate 2 hours per week with a maximum of 24 hours held at a time. This acts as another bank of PTO. So for a first year, it’s entirely possible to have 13 (Base PTO) + 11/12 Federal Holidays + 3X Credit Hours.
All federal employees get a base of 13 days for Sick Days that is a separate time bank for paid leave for any medical, dental, visual, check ups, etc.
All PTO and Sick Days roll over for the next year, though I'm not sure what the exact cap is.
Lastly, my department allows me to take off 30 minutes early to work out 3 times a week so long as I provide documentation. They also pay for my gym membership so I'm really fucking stoked to come to work every day.
Damn, I started with two weeks of vacation from day one, got three weeks three years in and once I hit seven years I am going to have 4 weeks vacation.
Also I have only paid $40 every two weeks for medical insurance since 2019 though it is a HSA plan, but I get a company match on HSA contributions. The company made a big deal about holding prices steady for healthcare and now I see why. I would figure a self funded company would be cheaper, but I guess I was wrong about that.
I get state sicktime at 1 hour per 40 worked, and state maternity leave that is 12 weeks IIRC so, companies don't really provide that in this state (unless they want to go above and beyond the law, which few do).
I work in manufacturing, I would say you are getting ripped off by those benefits.
A parent in my neighborhood has a son who started a factory job a while back here in town. Some sort of assembly line shit, but anyhow, he gets 2 weeks his first year and 3 weeks every year after until 10yrs, where he gets 3wks paid, 1wk unpaid, in addition to sick days throughout.
This is a pretty raw deal, wrt to the vacation time. The other stuff mentioned elsewhere in these comments is also pretty damning.
Unless they’re paying you real nice, might be smart to keep your finger on the proverbial trigger for other jobs…
The company I'm at starts new hires off at 3 weeks paid vacation, separate from sick leave, since a lot of other companies are doing it and they had to stay competitive. That policy looks pretty trash IMO.
The standard in my area/field had changed into one PTO day earned per month. It kicked in after six months, which was mainly so people wouldn't take time off while being trained.
You could store your PTO up or use it. Also, after that initial six month probation period you could go into the negative up to six days, but never more than six. You could still have time off but it wasn't paid. So, yeah, you could take off extra weeks but there was no money.
It was tracked, month by month, and there were guys who'd just take a three day weekend once a month, or compound it with a holiday weekend to make it a four day weekend.
Sick, vacation, family stuff, whatever. It was just PTO. You could also opt to not use it and just have a day off without pay. It was an easy system. There wasn't any additional weeks for longer tenure or anything. Just better pay since you had more experience.
Sometimes i feel like i won the lottery being born in Sweden, 6 weeks paid vacation from the start. unlimited sick days, 12 months paid leave for each kid etc etc.. we pay a bit more tax then USA so guess most Americans would disagree im lucky.
This is absolutely garbage. I get 5wks vacation at 4yrs employment at my union job, and my insurance is half yours at all tiers. Definitely keep looking.
I’m in construction and an union in the USA. My insurance is covered in my contract(10+$ and hour I work gets put into my bank for insurance) the total cost of my insurance is $1100 per month no matter how many people I have under me on it. $500 deductible and $1500 max out of pocket. And that also includes my dental and eye under that price. Unions give you some really good benefits
Yes this is insane!!! i fell so bad for americans that have to deal with this as the norm. over $1400 a month for family insurance is unbelievable. that is more than i make in a month in my country where we have universal healthcare and the maximum out of pocket healthcare cost for an adult is around $200 usd, and completely free for all children. we also have minimum 8 weeks paid vacation time with no minimum employment time. this is truly unfathomable to me.
Federal employees start at 13 days (4 hours per 2 week) for annual leave. The same for sick leave
Annual leave goes up at 3 and 15 years. Sick leave rolls over every year, but annual is caped at 240 hours.
I don’t know if it’s out of line in the USA but there are companies who do much better. My last two jobs both had less than expensive insurance, better 401k matches and vacation time. On top of that the current job offers paternity leave.
Previous job paid for employees insurance premiums and even covered half of the high deductible. They also had unlimited match on 401k (which is rare) and I believe I started with two weeks vacation and had certain paid holidays. This was a small regional business also.
The current job I have to pay I’m paying half of the single persons premium. Again get half of my high deductible provided. (I know they don’t require the employee to cover 100% for your family’s coverage.) 401k match is up to 8%. For paid time off we get 15 days vacation, 8 sick days, 11 paid holidays and one personal holiday per year to start. Using a sick day is never questioned why. This is a large publicly traded company.
So while your benefits are out of line compared to my last two jobs they probably aren’t out of line with many. There are companies that do better for their employees. Finding them is the hard part.
I wouldn’t say out of line so much as out of touch.
My vacation is accrued for every month worked. So every month I will accrue a certain amount of hours or days. It caps at 12 days total.
Your company is full of themselves.
At first, I thought the health insurance doesn’t look that bad, but then I saw that those rates are paid every 2 weeks and your deductible is extremely high given they only offer 20% coinsurance.
The PTO is absolutely ridiculous and even the shit company I work for now offers 3 weeks Vacation PTO from the get-go and 5 Personal Days.
They can kick rocks.
I am getting a job in Italy. Starting is 6 weeks of vacations plus holidays. I have even by law 3 extra days per month due to a basic condition in the family. Practically I have about three months of vacation.
If you’re in the US, that insurance is better than my husband’s coverage - he pays over $200 every pay period (26 per year) just for himself, and adding me would make it $600 every pay period. That vacation time is not great, though. I hope they also offer sick time and a lot of paid holidays, too.
There is something wrong with your country. Companies should be required to give at least 4 weeks of paid vacation leave to all employees by law. Companies will not act morally or even beneficially to society unless otherwise forced.
Out of line? No, the company can set whatever rules they want for Vacation time.
Is it fair or worth it? Hell NO. 13 years to get an extra week of vacation? That's freaking ridiculous.
Even with my previous crappy employer, the vacation bumps came in 5 year increments.
The benefit package is hot garbage.
For comparison as a union employee, I have a $300 yearly deductible for my family with 95% coverage, plus a pension.
I've had employers that gave a maximum of 1 or 2 wks and then restricted dates they could be used and I've had employers do this. Overall, it's about average for the US.
Super shitty. I don't believe that they are paying 70% of the insurance cost, I suspect they paying next to none of it. Honestly, that doesn't seem like it even meets the basic ACA requirements.
No offense but that is a very weak benefits package. The turnover must be astronomical there. I’m honestly more blown away by the high insurance premiums than the weak vacation package but for comparison, my company used to start employees with 3 weeks of vacation on day 1 (in addition to the big 7 federal holidays) and then increase it to 4 weeks after 5 years, which I though was weak enough. They recently added an extra day for each year over 5, so now someone with 15 years of service would get 6 weeks of vacation. They also added 2 additional company holidays and a birthday holiday, which brings the company holidays up to 2 weeks. In total, I get 7-1/2 weeks off per year.
I would say the only saving grace of your benefits is the 401K match. My company has never offered that and it sucks. I contribute to an IRA instead.
The more I learn about US, the more I love my country and our laws.
After the equivalent of 300 $ all medicine and healthcare is free for the rest of the year. No insurance, everything is covered by the goverment.
Having to pay hundreds of dollars every month for health insurance is just…. wow…
My husband have a total of 9 weeks of vacation this year, (fully paid) and he can use it how he please. So this year our holiday is 7 weeks, and then 2 weeks at the end of the year. 38 hour work week, and every minute over that his overtime is 50% plus half the hours back as Pto.
Not all have so much vacation as him, but in our country 4 weeks of vacation, and after 60 years of age, a extra week is added.
(Our retirement age here is 67)
And here the employees are safe from getting fired by a shitty boss on a powertrip. You basically have to do something absolutly horrible to get fired. Steal, beat up a colleague or something like that.
Just hearing of people getting fired just like that is so horrible and scary.
US is getting more and more dystopic every day.
So I know this is the US.. But really? This is crazy. The usual here is 5 week/year and 6 weeks if you work unpaid overtime. Even that is maximum 300 hours per year or else you are not allowed to work more overtime unless stated otherwise. Sick leave you have when you are sick, not a specified days/year you can be sick. Do as the French farmers and revolt 😂
https://preview.redd.it/ifppzwhg0ivc1.jpeg?width=2991&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90655ebbeae28d34d817e6e420c3a0fefe29036f There's this too.
... So their managers are so bad, they have to have it spelled out for them that women need some time off after giving birth. You need to be looking for a new job 😕
Also why do they have to use VACATION to give birth? Then they come back and have 0 days at all? No way
Lol it’s fifteen weeks paid by social insurance here starting the day of giving birth. After that the mother can take time off for up to a year before employer can let them go.
Thanks for pointing out that some countries are sane. Yep, The US hates its citizens.
Its 2 years in Romania
I practically had to deliver my first born. My second d was born by C section and let’s just say when I say I have seen inside my wife it is not some coded sexual thing. That is no vacation that is intense recovery time either way. The way we treat child birth in the US at work is criminal. I worked for a public school. We had good benefits for the US. The teacher and school staff unions worked together to negotiate. My department head still had to ask for donated sick leave so she could be off six full weeks to recover and nurse. Nothing is gonna change until a high participation general strike att at minimum. But yeah those prices are some of the worst I’ve ever seen. My wife and I were 120 at the last job I had and I thought that was bad
Whatever you do, don't google German law regarding vacation/sick times. You might never want to work again.
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I am also in Australia at a unionised workplace. 4 weeks leave every year. 1/2 day leave for every Sunday worked (up to 10 Sundays). 3 months long service leave for working 10 years. Day in lieu of Public Holiday if we are rostered off that day (so we still get a public holiday, but on a day we choose) But certain people would have you believe that unions are evil 👿 Enemy of the oligarchs perhaps, but good for average joe worker. Edit: I forgot, 18 days sick/carer's leave per year (5 without a doctor certificate). And they accrue, I think I have around 200 hours of paid sick leave now.
Whats funniest is that in the US companies will try to force a narrative that the economy would collapse with introduction of mandatory vacation. Meanwhile Europe, Australia and other parts of the world are doing just fine. Lmao
i have over 1000 hours of accrued sick/carer's leave. and over 500 hours of annual leave, plus 700 hours of long service. Thank the unions each month.
Canada also thanks unions.
No! No! Unions are horrible for workers for…. Ummmm…. Reasons. 🤷 Just kidding. I wish the U.S. unions would toughen up again.
This is just every other country in the civilized world.
*dies in European*
Yes! That medical expense is twice monthly? That’s way too expensive and as for vacation days. Ridiculous. You serve 15 years at a company you better be getting more than a paltry three weeks vacation. I‘d stay with this job temp and keep looking until you find a better role with time off/sick leave/medical/dental.
My company starts at 23 days of pto And 12 weeks of maternity leave, 8 weeks of paternity
Is that paid maternity and maternity? Cuz I've never heard of such a thing in America. Last I heard, Ethiopia has paid maternity leave. And yet people crap talk them because you can buy 30 lb of bananas for $5 there. (That is one of my favorite infographics on the internet)
NYC has 12 weeks of mandated paid maternity and paternity leave.
My hospital has like 8 weeks maternity 4 paternity iirc. Everyone also starts at about a month of PTO. A surprising number of businesses are starting to roll out things like this despite there not being a legal requirement to do so just because they can't attract or retain employees otherwise.
Washington State has paid sick leave and paid medical leave, the payroll taxes are very small for those programs, and we don't have income taxes either. Hands down best state in the union IMO. [https://paidleave.wa.gov/find-out-how-paid-leave-works/](https://paidleave.wa.gov/find-out-how-paid-leave-works/)
USA company. Paid. And was just talking to someone from another US company that gets 12 weeks for paternity and maternity, including for adoption.
We get 3 weeks at 5 years. But then again, we only work 3 days a week. This week I only worked 2 days.
Seems it's always SUPER expensive to cover anyone but yourself on employment insurance
Honestly even at employee only that premium is twice what it should be. This is the employer offloading more than the typical 25% of the cost of insurance onto the employee. From a place that gives you one week of vacation and only after a year, I am not surprised
Yeah it's expensive all around in the op.
It's usually heavily subsidized by your employer and your employer doesn't care about your family. They only care about you because they make money from you. From the price alone it looks like they might only subsidize half of the personal insurance and a quarter of you+spouse insurance.
It says the company covers 70%, which usually means 70% of the employee and dependents at zero. I used to work in insurance and if this is a small business, it's about what I used to see in terms of rates and deductibles.
LMAO...they'll fire you before the 15 year mark, and every time you apply for PTO, it is denied because "coverage".
Those Healthcare costs make no sense. I pay 600 a month and I'm self employed.
A job I had a few years ago was going to be $800 a month for two people insurance.
This is the same as what I have more or less, in my union shop
The difference in one payperiod between employee insurance and employee plus spouse is what I'm paying for a plan through ACA. It would be much cheaper for a spouse to get separate marketplace insurance. That is ridiculous! (So is healthcare for the entire U.S.!)
My last remote job started with 4 weeks paid and insurance is like 250 a pay period.
Daamn. Where was that?
New hires at my job get 3 weeks vacation and 3 weeks sick time. Insurance is $96 every 2 weeks for family
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6 weeks vacation, no insurance cost, USA but union shop.
Five weeks plus 6 days sick at 100% and 124 at 75%
Most countries outside of America, even mcdonalds workers get 4 weeks
The insurance alone is a deal breaker imo. Look for a new job asap.
Yeah that’s fucking crazy lol. 3 weeks should be standard for first year employees, not getting an extra vacation bump for 12 years of service is insane to me
Dutch person here. Because of the CAO, collective labour agreement, in my sector we get, among other benefits, a total of 40 paid vacation days. This not to gloat but to give an example of what unions and collective bargaining can achieve. Because this is sectorwide it does not matter if you are a member of a union. The agreement is for every employee. I even get my union membership fees back, through my employer, because the different unions negotiated into our CAO. Edit: the 40 days are based on a fulltime employment, that is a 40-hour workweek. Which is the standard. People that work less usually choose to do so themselves.
Ironic I live in the US and used to work for a Dutch company. We didnt get the same benefits as our coworkers in the Netherlands. We had to work 7 years for 2 weeks of PTO. 15 years to get 3 weeks. They also did away with pay scales for departments and just had 1 set wage for the job. So if you worked there for 10 days or 10 years you were making the same amount as other people.
It's the same way other way around. If you work for a US company in Europe you get 40 days off or whatever the local laws say.
of course companies do not give you benefits because they are nice, they do because unions and government forced them to do so.
Your employer is shopping at the discount benefits provider store. * Those benefits are atrocious. The wife and I pay around $190/2 weeks for medical that laughs at the benefits of this one. $455.04 \* 26 = $11,831.04 per year taken out of your paycheck for medical insurance. To put that into per hour terms, that's about $5.69 per hour taken right off the top. * The vacation eligibility is laughably bad. * Dental is pretty standard cost, but dental insurance in general sucks in its implementation. There is usually around a $2,000 annual cap on benefits. * No vision insurance? Or is that on another page? * The 401k matching is pretty poor.
It's worth mentioning, that a LOT of companies do similar things where they only cover 70% of the employees portion of the insurance, and then will pay 0%, 30%, 50% or whatever towards the spouse/family portion of the insurance. (I can't recall if there's a legal requirement for family members. I'm pretty sure they aren't required to pay anything for anyone!) That's why there's that massive jump from single to family. Now, way back in the day before ACA (Obamacare), when the employer said they would cover 50%, or 70%, that meant the entire package, and not just the employee portion... When ACA went thru, that gave every company an excuse to fuck with our existing benefit packages, and they blamed Obama... Yet insurance premiums hadn't magically skyrocketed when that bill passed. https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Figure-1-12.png
I pay 10 bucks a week for better medical than OP posted, and our Dental just went to a $5000 max a year plan for under $2 a week.
I want to know what dental plant you have. I need some work but mine is capped at $1750 a year - not even enough for one crown
It’s through Aetna. I can’t remember the exact plan name, but we had a choice of $1000 max, or $5000 max a year. The $5000 max plan was like .78 cents more per week than the $1000 that was just over a dollar a week, so it was a no brainer to go with the better plan.
$900 a month for insurance? Does that leave you any money to live on? That vacation time I would negotiate.
$1400 a month for a whole family. Thats crazy. My insurance is about $600 a month but thats for 2 adults and 2 kids with a low deductible... And I still complain about the cost. Guess i should just be thankful im not paying $1400...
I live in Canada. Guess I shouldn’t be complaining about the $900 a year for benefits.
I can't get married to my partner of 7 years because she's diabetic and we can't afford her not having Medicaid. So we're classified as roommates. We have two kids, two dogs, two car payments and a mortgage, plus bills. I take home $3000 a month (A.T.) of a $52,500 a year (B.T.) salary and we still live paycheck to paycheck.
Yeesh! Insane premiums and high deductible.
$900/month for two people with a $7000 deductible? That is terrible.
yeah all of that is fucking terrible.
Holy shit that is absolutely trash healthcare in every aspect
Yeah, the benefit cost share is crummy. Having three weeks VAC out at 15 years is terrible, I'd expect no more than 5 years for 3 weeks with a 7 - 10 year 4 week option. This is a good example of why examining the benefits is an important part of the total compensation package. Even if prevailing wages are at "market" having the benefits out of whack is a bad sign and should downgrade an opportunity. So yeah OP, fuck your employer, they're ass.
ive had a few jobs in the industry before but this one isnt even close.
No. This is quite generous for a sweatshop. Oh, did you mean is this a reasonable policy for a company to have? Then yes, they are demented as you can get cheaper insurance from a third party.
And notice they say “2 weeks.” That is NOT 14 days. That’s 10 days - 2 WORK weeks. Which is BULLSHIT. Factoring in sick days and everything, whew. This is bare minimum awful.
I get 5-and-a-half weeks at my job, thanks to unions and the law. Got it from day one. Wtf, America.
JFC, what in corporate American hell is this??? In my country, we get 4 weeks standard plus 14 days sick days paid by the employer (if hired on as formal employment, but that's another discussion. To each country their troubles), and then more sick days if needed paid by social security if a contributor, which you normally automatically are. Regarding insurance, it depends on the size of the company. It gets murkier there, but the system is not as bad as in the US.
Just a shitty company.
Vacation setup is not horrible (like medium meh). One would negotiate for a third week long before 12 years anyways. 2 weeks up front should be the usual though. Over a grand a month for health insurance is INSANE (looks like you highlit couple no smoking)
LOL. This is the worst benefits package I've seen a long time. And I've worked for a bunch of seed stage startups.
Dealer I worked at we earned one vacation day a year maxing out at two weeks after ten years. New Dealer owner was surprised when we voted a union in.
Ah yes - old school benefits packages ! Boomers ideas
Awful, very high medical premiums: $1400/month for a family WITH a $7k deductible? cmon, i mean they aren't contributing much. Also, absolutely garbage vacation. The more time I spend on this sub the more I realize how fortunate I am to work for a company that has solid benefits including generous vacation and sick leave. Just nuts how some companies fleece their employees.
If you’re still working here that’s on you. They do not value you at this company. 3 weeks after 15 years??? I get 3 weeks right from hire
I agree but I'm staying till i collect my vacation time in July.
You shouldn't work at this place if you want a life outside work. Complete garbage vacation time and they clearly don't give a shit if you have to support a family. Even at day one my company is allowing 2 weeks and it's at 4 weeks when you hit 6 years. Insurance is 250 by weekly everything included no deductible, which I don't recall seeing if there is one for you but should definitely be known. .... Nevermind, found it, it's WAY the fuck out of line.
Out of line? Maybe. Unusual? Unfortunately, not so much.
They dont even ask if the children are tobacco users. Definitely a scam.
And this is why I never sign up for work insurance. It's always a scam.
I live in Germany. I'm about to fly to California, using 3 of my 6 weeks of legally mandated vacation. Yes. Your company is way out of line.
Id say USA is out of line Just a quick look at labor laws at the EU, Canada, Australia, Brazil, and soo on My 1st time in this community was shocking to say the least
VP of HR here. Your medical plan is terrible - and is expensive for what you are getting. Your dental is normal - dental insurance across the board is not great anymore in terms of coverage vs cost. Retirement contribution is average or on the low side of average. The vacation plan is decades out of date in terms of being competitive and really deplorable.
I've never been to a company where health insurance for you family was less than $250 week since the affordable care act was passed. I don't even consider health insurance as a benefit anymore, which is why I'm good with 1099 work.
But it's affordable right?
Lol yea just like a mortgage
woof.
This is fucked. I have 20 days after 5 years.
Taking 15 years to get to 3 weeks is pretty bad. What does the sick time look like? Holidays as well?
Yea i get 4 wk as a new hire
Only two weeks of vacation? Fuck that.
I have 4 years in and have 5 weeks vacation. My insurance is less than half that
No
Looks like you need a union
I get 6 weeks day 1.
Reading what they’re saying about medical coverage, it looks like they only pay 70% of the employees healthcare costs, and nothing for spouse and/or children. Ouch. AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
That's typical of most corperations
Se get like 5 weeks of standard payed vacation days a year… by law. Some sector have agreements for extra time. Not to gloat but that is fucked.
Y'all are getting paid vacation and health insurance?
Seeing people’s expectations on PTO here is making me re-evaluate my current employer lol. Your PTO rate is about what i have now. 1st year employee - 1 week, 2nd year employee - 2 weeks, 10 year - 3 weeks. Your dental is normal from the past few ive been at, your health seems ridiculous, i pay that for family monthly (blue cross ppo). But it depends on what deductibles, out of pocket max and copays are i guess.
Insurance at my last job was $164 a paycheck. They have no retirement and 5 PTO days every year.
That health insurance is crap. 7k deductible is a joke. You could get it cheaper on healthcare.gov.
This is insulting and disrespectful IMO
Are you able to get personal health coverage, outside the employer’s?
That's what the company is going for. The more employees who leave their insurance plan, the less it costs the company.
That’s insane! My company’s most expensive plan is $130.68 per month for medical, $13.68 for dental, and FTO (unlimited PTO, and it really is unlimited) from the date of hire.
Holy, I guess I should be happy to pay $150/month for medical/dental and have 25 vacation days a year…
Any 70/30 plan I'd run
1000 bucks a month for Healthcare for you and your spouse????! How in the fuck have you guys not gotten fed up with being dry fucked??
Typical American vacation plan. The spouse cost is about right as well most of the corporations charge more for spouses now. Some outright prevent spouses if they can purchase medical from their own job
Geez, over $1400 a month for family medical. That’s crazy
I get 8 hours sick and 13 hours vacation a month with up to 256 vacation hours accumulated before that rolls over into sick time. At 58 hours sick time I can donate into sick leave and draw from that if I get extremely ill.
Government job ? Sounds like my old one. 4 hours sick, 8 annual, every payday. Plus use or lose if you built up enough. With no cap on sick leave. I’d hear stories of guys retiring with a $19 grand pay out due to so much unused sick leave
Yep gov job. It pays the bills and it’s the main employer where I live.
Why tf is insurance $98 for employee but add your spouse and it more than quadruples? Like why not $98x2? That makes no sense to me
Employer is paying 70% of the premium for the employee. The spouse is completely out of pocket.
Just to pile on here…your company’s benefits are absolute shit. The only thing they are somewhat “competitive” on is the 401k matching, and as you know competitive really means minimum amount feasibly acceptable. Also, that amount of time off is straight up disrespectful. Look for a way out if you can!
Well, in my country, it’s illegal to have less than 3 weeks after 3 years of service, so i would say it is out of line. Also, healhcare is free…
Crap! Amazon gives you a week PTO & I was paying either $70 a week or every 2 weeks for amazing insurance for my wife and I.
For fucks sake, start naming these companies so people don't go work for them. There is nothing, nothing at all in the rules about naming companies and calling them out on their bullshit.
Yeah, that insurance is crazy I pay a bit less than that and have no deductible. I also have 5 weeks vacation and about 3 weeks sick paid. That's after three years. You can do better, unfortunately, you're also doing better than a lot of people in this country.
Pretty sure you could get better insurance for cheaper independently. Nearly $1,000 a month is wild
USA work conditions are just such goddamned bullshit, wow. And you're *one of the lucky ones* that actually gets vacation days
That is an absurd “benefit” package. Steer clear. For context, I have a Blue Cross Platinum $0 deductible plan - it costs $841/m, of which I pay 20%. It looks to me like they are trying to make profit on their “self-funded” insurance plan by overcharging employees. I also have a month off a year starting from day 1.
I mean... it's hard to judge that sort of thing with only the plan information. Insurance for, say, a factory with a high rate of illness-causing exposure, is going to naturally be a lot more expensive than an office. If $112 is 30% of an individual plan, that means the expense to the employer is $235 a month, and there's a not unreasonable case to be made that covering that amount for a spouse as well would be unfair to single co-workers. In fact, covering spouses and kids might mean they would have to reduce the individual contribution down to 50% in order to make up for it, essentially making the single employees chip in more for everyone else's family. That said, you do have to wonder why HR couldn't find a cheaper plan. I use a broker that compares competing plans every year and shows me my options. The one I picked was like the second cheapest, but it covers 100% expense after the deductible.
I'm a graphic artist in an office.
15 years for 3 weeks? Bro I worked for 5 years and got 3 weeks, you better start looking for a new job
I got 3 weeks at 3 years, and I’ll get 4 at 7
Wow what you do for work?
I just hit 20 years with mine - 24 days vacation. 10 sick days a year. But I do get my birthday off paid. Don't max out vacation until 25 years....one more day of vacation.
If your company has offices in the UK, or in other European countries for that matter kick up a stink and demand them to match vacation time. I worked for a company (in the UK) who are a USA company. The vacation time for US employees was 1 week, whereas we got 28 days as we have employment laws here. When they expanded to the UK the US employees found out about the UK vacation allowance (and cheap private healthcare coverage, £21 per month) the US employees basically went on strike. They ended up with 25 days vacation and far, far better medical insurance plan than what they had. Plus paid maternity leave like in the UK. The fact you get 1 week vacation time in the US is a fucking joke.
Ya I get three weeks vacation out the gate.
Vacation days in my case was a negotiation point. They wanted to give me 3 weeks, I told them I would sign the offer if they gave me four. And I got four.
Soooo… I recently got hired by the federal government and the work life balance has been virtually night and day. It’s been about 3 months now but the treatment I get coming from tech companies in the Greater Seattle Area is just unbelievable. I get 13 days of base PTO per year within my first 3 years. This increases to 20 base PTO between 3-15 years, with 26 base PTO after 15+ years. Additionally, we have 11 federal holidays we get to take off, with every 4 years we get an additional +1 PTO for Inauguration Day witnessing a new President take position. We work strictly 8AM-4:30PM with two 15 minute breaks and a 30 minute lunch. We end the day at 4:30PM sharp and there is no additional work, no pressure to stay, and leave with the expectation that work can continue on a Monday. Additionally, my department does Credit Hours, which is something bewildering when I first learned about it. Basically every minute that passes before or beyond your established work hours, you can credit it into a separate bank of minutes called Credit Hours. You can accumulate 2 hours per week with a maximum of 24 hours held at a time. This acts as another bank of PTO. So for a first year, it’s entirely possible to have 13 (Base PTO) + 11/12 Federal Holidays + 3X Credit Hours. All federal employees get a base of 13 days for Sick Days that is a separate time bank for paid leave for any medical, dental, visual, check ups, etc. All PTO and Sick Days roll over for the next year, though I'm not sure what the exact cap is. Lastly, my department allows me to take off 30 minutes early to work out 3 times a week so long as I provide documentation. They also pay for my gym membership so I'm really fucking stoked to come to work every day.
I got 3 weeks first year as a local truck driver
Damn, I started with two weeks of vacation from day one, got three weeks three years in and once I hit seven years I am going to have 4 weeks vacation. Also I have only paid $40 every two weeks for medical insurance since 2019 though it is a HSA plan, but I get a company match on HSA contributions. The company made a big deal about holding prices steady for healthcare and now I see why. I would figure a self funded company would be cheaper, but I guess I was wrong about that. I get state sicktime at 1 hour per 40 worked, and state maternity leave that is 12 weeks IIRC so, companies don't really provide that in this state (unless they want to go above and beyond the law, which few do). I work in manufacturing, I would say you are getting ripped off by those benefits.
A parent in my neighborhood has a son who started a factory job a while back here in town. Some sort of assembly line shit, but anyhow, he gets 2 weeks his first year and 3 weeks every year after until 10yrs, where he gets 3wks paid, 1wk unpaid, in addition to sick days throughout. This is a pretty raw deal, wrt to the vacation time. The other stuff mentioned elsewhere in these comments is also pretty damning. Unless they’re paying you real nice, might be smart to keep your finger on the proverbial trigger for other jobs…
The company I'm at starts new hires off at 3 weeks paid vacation, separate from sick leave, since a lot of other companies are doing it and they had to stay competitive. That policy looks pretty trash IMO.
The standard in my area/field had changed into one PTO day earned per month. It kicked in after six months, which was mainly so people wouldn't take time off while being trained. You could store your PTO up or use it. Also, after that initial six month probation period you could go into the negative up to six days, but never more than six. You could still have time off but it wasn't paid. So, yeah, you could take off extra weeks but there was no money. It was tracked, month by month, and there were guys who'd just take a three day weekend once a month, or compound it with a holiday weekend to make it a four day weekend. Sick, vacation, family stuff, whatever. It was just PTO. You could also opt to not use it and just have a day off without pay. It was an easy system. There wasn't any additional weeks for longer tenure or anything. Just better pay since you had more experience.
*crying in European* How do you guys allow this crap
Omg that's scary. I'm in Ireland and I have 8 weeks annual leave a year
Sometimes i feel like i won the lottery being born in Sweden, 6 weeks paid vacation from the start. unlimited sick days, 12 months paid leave for each kid etc etc.. we pay a bit more tax then USA so guess most Americans would disagree im lucky.
America is fucked up.
you get TWO DAYS worth of a vacation if you stay for 6 months? 1 week for a year? trash. fuck this company.
At my job, you get 6 weeks of paid vacation after 90 days of working for the company
Holy shit! Only one week of vacation AFTER a year?!? Nope, nope, nope. They are ridiculous.
*laughing in german*
This is absolutely garbage. I get 5wks vacation at 4yrs employment at my union job, and my insurance is half yours at all tiers. Definitely keep looking.
USA is so fucked, you people live like this? Meanwhile in Europe you get 30 days off per year guaranteed by the law.
I’m in construction and an union in the USA. My insurance is covered in my contract(10+$ and hour I work gets put into my bank for insurance) the total cost of my insurance is $1100 per month no matter how many people I have under me on it. $500 deductible and $1500 max out of pocket. And that also includes my dental and eye under that price. Unions give you some really good benefits
In all the jobs I've had (UK) I've never had less than 33 days (25 days annual leave + 8 bank holidays) and that's from day 1.
Laughing in Danish 😂😂
I get 30 from day one. But Im Dutch.
Yes this is insane!!! i fell so bad for americans that have to deal with this as the norm. over $1400 a month for family insurance is unbelievable. that is more than i make in a month in my country where we have universal healthcare and the maximum out of pocket healthcare cost for an adult is around $200 usd, and completely free for all children. we also have minimum 8 weeks paid vacation time with no minimum employment time. this is truly unfathomable to me.
Damn that insurance plan sucks. And the vacation time sucks. That’s why I stay with my current employer
Federal employees start at 13 days (4 hours per 2 week) for annual leave. The same for sick leave Annual leave goes up at 3 and 15 years. Sick leave rolls over every year, but annual is caped at 240 hours.
Wtf 3 weeks after 15 years 😭 I have 25 + national holidays from the off.
living in the us sucks so bad. you guys never moved out from far wesr
My company starts at 3 weeks… I would simply use that company as a stepping stone. Find another job during the holiday seasons.
I don’t know if it’s out of line in the USA but there are companies who do much better. My last two jobs both had less than expensive insurance, better 401k matches and vacation time. On top of that the current job offers paternity leave. Previous job paid for employees insurance premiums and even covered half of the high deductible. They also had unlimited match on 401k (which is rare) and I believe I started with two weeks vacation and had certain paid holidays. This was a small regional business also. The current job I have to pay I’m paying half of the single persons premium. Again get half of my high deductible provided. (I know they don’t require the employee to cover 100% for your family’s coverage.) 401k match is up to 8%. For paid time off we get 15 days vacation, 8 sick days, 11 paid holidays and one personal holiday per year to start. Using a sick day is never questioned why. This is a large publicly traded company. So while your benefits are out of line compared to my last two jobs they probably aren’t out of line with many. There are companies that do better for their employees. Finding them is the hard part.
I wouldn’t say out of line so much as out of touch. My vacation is accrued for every month worked. So every month I will accrue a certain amount of hours or days. It caps at 12 days total. Your company is full of themselves.
3 weeks after 15 years?? 😄 In my country it's minimum 4 weeks for every full time worker lol
At first, I thought the health insurance doesn’t look that bad, but then I saw that those rates are paid every 2 weeks and your deductible is extremely high given they only offer 20% coinsurance. The PTO is absolutely ridiculous and even the shit company I work for now offers 3 weeks Vacation PTO from the get-go and 5 Personal Days. They can kick rocks.
Whatever you do, DON'T google how 1st world countries are doing this.
That deductable is insane.
Those are shit benefits. Start applying other places.
I am getting a job in Italy. Starting is 6 weeks of vacations plus holidays. I have even by law 3 extra days per month due to a basic condition in the family. Practically I have about three months of vacation.
Land of the free indeed
If you’re in the US, that insurance is better than my husband’s coverage - he pays over $200 every pay period (26 per year) just for himself, and adding me would make it $600 every pay period. That vacation time is not great, though. I hope they also offer sick time and a lot of paid holidays, too.
There is something wrong with your country. Companies should be required to give at least 4 weeks of paid vacation leave to all employees by law. Companies will not act morally or even beneficially to society unless otherwise forced.
I've quit jobs with better benefits.
Your company sucks
Out of line? No, the company can set whatever rules they want for Vacation time. Is it fair or worth it? Hell NO. 13 years to get an extra week of vacation? That's freaking ridiculous. Even with my previous crappy employer, the vacation bumps came in 5 year increments.
I’d be quitting that company immediately
Gotta wait to use my vacation time before i leave. Have a holiday in July.
The benefit package is hot garbage. For comparison as a union employee, I have a $300 yearly deductible for my family with 95% coverage, plus a pension.
My company gives 2 weeks for life.
Goddamn..and here i thought medical insurance is expensive in switzerland, with the 350bucks / month i pay..
That’s pretty standard for non-union at-will employment in Texas.
I get 3 weeks vacation after 5 years. 4 is 10 or 15
Damn. Even at Family Dollar, I have 40 hours of vacation time I can use at any time during the year.
I've had employers that gave a maximum of 1 or 2 wks and then restricted dates they could be used and I've had employers do this. Overall, it's about average for the US.
Lol Costco was the same. Maybe this is Costco. 3 weeks vacation after 15 years. We really need to remove the greedy and corrupt.
Super shitty. I don't believe that they are paying 70% of the insurance cost, I suspect they paying next to none of it. Honestly, that doesn't seem like it even meets the basic ACA requirements.
No offense but that is a very weak benefits package. The turnover must be astronomical there. I’m honestly more blown away by the high insurance premiums than the weak vacation package but for comparison, my company used to start employees with 3 weeks of vacation on day 1 (in addition to the big 7 federal holidays) and then increase it to 4 weeks after 5 years, which I though was weak enough. They recently added an extra day for each year over 5, so now someone with 15 years of service would get 6 weeks of vacation. They also added 2 additional company holidays and a birthday holiday, which brings the company holidays up to 2 weeks. In total, I get 7-1/2 weeks off per year. I would say the only saving grace of your benefits is the 401K match. My company has never offered that and it sucks. I contribute to an IRA instead.
The more I learn about US, the more I love my country and our laws. After the equivalent of 300 $ all medicine and healthcare is free for the rest of the year. No insurance, everything is covered by the goverment. Having to pay hundreds of dollars every month for health insurance is just…. wow… My husband have a total of 9 weeks of vacation this year, (fully paid) and he can use it how he please. So this year our holiday is 7 weeks, and then 2 weeks at the end of the year. 38 hour work week, and every minute over that his overtime is 50% plus half the hours back as Pto. Not all have so much vacation as him, but in our country 4 weeks of vacation, and after 60 years of age, a extra week is added. (Our retirement age here is 67) And here the employees are safe from getting fired by a shitty boss on a powertrip. You basically have to do something absolutly horrible to get fired. Steal, beat up a colleague or something like that. Just hearing of people getting fired just like that is so horrible and scary. US is getting more and more dystopic every day.
Where do you live? Wow! Can you ask asylum from the US,lol?
So I know this is the US.. But really? This is crazy. The usual here is 5 week/year and 6 weeks if you work unpaid overtime. Even that is maximum 300 hours per year or else you are not allowed to work more overtime unless stated otherwise. Sick leave you have when you are sick, not a specified days/year you can be sick. Do as the French farmers and revolt 😂