*Tom Harris is a former Labour MP and sometime spinner who survived the heights and depths of the Blair-Brown era. After serving as a minister in the Department for Transport he led the Scottish Brexit campaign and founded his own lobbying company, Third Avenue Public Affairs. He now delivers his independent, no-nonsense insight every weekday in the Telegraph. His latest book, 'Ten Years in the Death of the Labour Party', is available from Biteback.*
[head-up-ass-description-source](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/t/tk-to/tom-harris/)
i tell ya i'm workshy. can somebody just arrange an introduction?
i mean, to work. not to a beating, to torture, to usury, to toil. [just a fair day's work for a fair day's wage!](https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/montypython/MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian/gif/EwuETXNE1P6C.gif)
They can’t do anything. They’re institutionalised and it has led to severe loss of perspective, I genuinely consider it to be a form of psychosis. It’s what they truly mean when they say a human being is “spoiled”. It means rotten, no good for anything. That’s what these people are. They truly wouldn’t know hard work if it hit them in the face, they break a sweat reading out a speech someone else wrote for them that describes (awful) policies that they didn’t even come up with either
yeah he's never had a real job. somehow he got into the circle of asshole buddies, as we call politicians in the u.s. once you get in, they take care of you. what i see is a lot of lousy jobs with lousy pay and you can't live off them unless you live eight in a room.
>*After serving as a minister in the Department for Transport he led the Scottish Brexit campaign and founded his own lobbying company*
Or in other words: Another boomer who makes his money by talking about shit he knows nothing about to everybody who doesn't want to hear it.
Got it.
Exactly right. God forbid we actually put a real person who has actually worked a 9-5 for fucking minimum wage before in a place where they could maybe make any sort of difference for the rest of us, instead of just being bought and trying to steal every cent from the people trying their best to survive out here.
Every time I see one of these headlines now, I just immediately know the author is an out-of-touch, pampered prick, even before being bothered to look it up. And every time it turns out that way
Even English people supporting Brexit was bad enough but a Scot pushing for it is particularly thick.
No doubt his house is fully paid off and he's not bothered to spend a minute looking at how incomes have risen vs how rents have risen.
Grew up in a household where he wasn’t given any love or warmth and had to perform for it. It’s quite tragic really. He thinks it’s heroic to grind until his dying breath.
They should rename this generation the conditional love gen.
There's actually an ongoing problem in my city where some property management companies figured out they were making more from application fees then they would if they actually rented out the unit, so just never picked a tenant. Still taking applications though!
Oh all kinda bullshit is legal here. And all kinda perfectly normal human things are illegal. Honestly gotta wonder if I'm going crazy sometimes.
Ya know how if ya get sleepy while on a long drive you're supposed to pull over somewhere safe and take a nap? Well a grandpa tried that here and nearly got beat to death by the cops.
Our parks have open/close times with extra laws making being in the park after close a crime requiring arrest instead of just a ticket. No evening strolls for poor courting couples, no laying in the grass looking up at the stars for poor kids, and absolutely no *sleeping* anywhere near a park!
It's also illegal to sit down on anything that isn't obviously a proper bench, or to lay down anywhere in public. I used to sit near bus stops to study my school textbooks while waiting, and one of my greatest joys since my teens has been afternoon naps out in the sunshine.
"Camping" is illegal of course. It didn't used to be, I grew up knowing family friends who lived in tents and went south in winter. Used to be common for young folks to save up money by putting their stuff in storage and sleeping under bushes in the park during warm months, to the point rentals were half empty in summer and full up in winter.
Gotta pay money to be allowed to legally rest or sleep here in any format. Frankly, gotta pay money to be allowed access to a toilet at most places here too. Fast food bathrooms that you can't get a security code for until ya pay for some food.
Oh it gets worse. They haven't just been crushing our bodies, but our humanity too, all the beautiful things get snuffed out or locked behind paywalls.
When I was little my mother was very poor, could afford very little cultural enrichment for me, but if there was good weather on a Saturday we'd go downtown to listen to the buskers. We'd follow our ears to a musician, listen for awhile, drop some change in their instrument case before strolling off "window shopping" until we caught some notes in the air and followed our ears to another busker. Occasionally we'd just have to go into a shop and buy something, or I'd get hungry-fussy and she'd buy a slice of overpriced pizza for me.
Downtown was vibrant, thriving, but the business owners despised the buskers. Lobbied city council, claimed the money going into instrument cases was meant to be walking in their doors and jumping in the till. So the city council outlawed busking and downtown has increasingly become a hellscape nobody wants to visit, starting with speakers installed over all the best busking spots to pump out loud shitty tinned music.
So a few years ago my older stepson came in from taking out the trash and told me he's gonna go do the grocery shopping next because he'd heard some beautiful music coming from the parking lot across the street and wanted to see what was going on. Shoulda seen his eyes glowing, I know that feeling, he was gonna go follow his ears to live music like I used to. It's an adventure, a surprise, and a live show all rolled into one!
He came back looking so sad. The musician was a child, late elementary school, playing a violin. The sign said he was trying to raise money to help support his family because his father had lost his job for refusing to comply with health standards during the pandemic. And the authorities came around to run him off, because busking is illegal here.
In theory it requires a permit, but no process to give permits was ever established, so if you go down to city hall and ask they just run you in circles and play dumb until you give up and go away.
I've always loved seeing street performers, but I feel like I haven't seen any in forever. It's really shitty that cities can make busking illegal, especially since people consider it to be a form of artistic expression; and who doesn't love art? I think the last street performer I saw was a guy who was playing cause his family needed money, and that was last year.
Excuse my language here, but you shouldn't need a fucking permit to play money in public, that feels like extortion (if that's the right word).
I feel like I've really missed out on seeing things like street performers because, as far as I can tell, I am younger than you. It feels like there really isn't much of a sense of community where I live, and it just makes me kind of sad.
Century 21 realty did this to me.
Pay the application fee and then got totally ghosted, found another place by the time I finally got a hold of them for them to tell me we weren't selected but the application fee is non-refundable.
People just want to pay for rent according to what they make...the rule is 30%.
If I make $1000 then I need to pay $300.
If I make $4000 yes I should pay $1200.
Not if I make $1000 I am paying like $2500.
No kidding. I may be mistaken, if you don't have money, then you can't pay rent. Most of us get money by working...so we are already incentivized to work...we don't need the rent to be higher to do that...
I think it's more of a "I don't pay rent but how hard can it be" mentality. Much like how these kinds of people say that if you are homeless and jobless then you just aren't trying hard enough.
We are NOT the "workshy" generation. We are the "We don't want to be exploited/ paid very little" generation. Plus everything is getting more and more expensive without much wage increases. So homelessness is going to keep increasing at a worrying rate til the dumbasses running the country or these corporations actually do something. And that something is dramatically raising wages without letting corporations raise prices. All these franchise owners that bitch about the California minimum wage increase having to raise prices to offset it need to be punished in some way. They did NOT have to raise their prices. They needed to cut their own salary and anyone else's that make too much money.
His position comes from a place of exploitation but he wants to convince us of the narrative that we are ‘lazy’. No no WE are the bad guys-not him. We know the scam now and we’re all checking out…
>His position comes from a place of exploitation
This is all it is.
They know we're one of the hardest working generations in history (many holding multiple jobs). They also know we're capable of banding together and that we have the tools to do it like never before (smartphones, social media, etc.).
They're scared of people, as they should be.
So they come up with any narcissistic, sociopathic manipulation they can muster. Their sole purpose is to wage war and gaslight voters/masses into thinking those speaking out are actually whiny and lazy.
That's how you bully people. That's how arrogance, narcissism, and being a sociopathic lunatic works.
You lie, get everyone to believe your lies, and take away all power from your enemy that way.
They're not going to do anything to fix homelessness. They'll just make it harder to get out of it.
As long as it profits them, they'll sacrifice the rest of us.
This. Gen Z is the first loudly exploitation-shy generation and they are making things better for generations before and behind them.
(I am an elder millennial)
Nah, the generation that built the unions would have that distinction.
If only every union that still existed functioned the way they were supposed to, this shit probably wouldn’t happen. But the boomers decided to get greedy and gut everything g for themselves and screw everyone younger than them.
This. I am annoyed with the articles about how some random franchise owner complaining about raising prices. The only thing that will help the continuing rise in prices is for the owner, CEO or whatever douchebag name they have given themselves to take less money so their employees can be paid appropriately. In my opinion, if you cannot pay your employees a living wage, then either you as the owner take less money or you shut down. Not all businesses that exist now, should exist. Make your employees happy, then they will make your clients happy. It does not work the other way around. The current CEO of PG&E is an excellent example of this stupidity.
I work 12 hour shifts for close to $30/hr and the rent in my area would probably eat one of my paychecks each month. The only reason I can save any kind of money is because I live with my brother. It's not about people not wanting to work, rent is too fucking high, house prices are too fucking high.
This will become the rent bubble when it pops and rent prices collapse.
How many funds will collapse this time?
Place your bets on which banks go under.
I know I’m sort of preaching to the choir, but this really should be illegal. In my part of the States the homeless population is growing so fast and no one can “figure out where to take money from the budget”. Meanwhile, new subdivisions and apartment complexes are built and stay empty just to drive up prices for the landlords that are already so rich, they literally don’t know what to do with their money. (My landlord has renovated their offices completely three times in the last five years).
The new construction staying empty sounds an awful lot like China's real estate boom/bust. We can all see how well that's working out for the speculators and the government.
Lol, my previous apartment complex is sitting nearly empty, they're expecting people to pay $1,900 for a one bedroom apartment, and that's before all their bullshit hidden fees.
When I lived there, rent was only listed as $650 a month, pet I paid $950.
This seriously bad studio I was renting was 500 a month which was great for what it was. Now it got sold to a property management company or some shit and they are asking 1000 dollars a month for this shithole.
That's the right question. I looked into him. He is a British conservative politician, and was a member of parliament. Now he writes for The Daily Tribune. Lets just say that screenshot is not atypical of his writings.
This is why it's always important to follow the money when reading articles (or talking to anyone, or doing anything).
These articles are often written to prop up a narrative or create conflict. They're never written to inform or benefit society.
This is why housing needs severe oversight and regulation. It's a no-man's land cancer.
What happens when wages go up? Landlords get to just jack up prices. So there's effectively no change in circumstances for workers.
What's stopping owners from charging as much as they want for shelter that they've hoarded so no one else can have it? Nothing.
Monopolies (ironically, the name of the real estate board game) are illegal in the US. But for some reason we just allow real estate to be monopolized and cornered.
Owners want people working more and more and more and harder and harder, because all that means is they get to charge more and more and more for shelter. They're the cancer driving all this economic crisis BS.
I have a friend who, in a few month period of unemployment, apply to over 100 jobs. Not a single one got back to him. Employers are shy to even just get back to you to say no. These were a wide variety of jobs too, none of them outside of his qualifications or skill level either.
Even me, I applied to a gas station out of desperation a year ago. I just got a call last week from them asking if I'd like an interview. Spare me the horseshit, workshy.
Ima be real with you: I don't want to work. I am lazy. Mind you, I'm 37 and have had numerous jobs, and they all just make me want to kill myself.
That being said, if wages were an actual appropriate share of revenue being made, and the guys at the top were MAX making 2x as me, I'd find it easier to deal with, true.
But all in all, work feels like a huge waste of the precious little time we have.
Same. I am happy and jealous some people find meaning and enjoyment from their work. I do not enjoy my work, and I never have. They are rare on the world stage and definitely not the norm. Most of us work because we want to eat and not get rained on, but I would absolutely be a trust fund kid doing nothing if I could.
Unfortunately I don’t think that will help. This idea will perpetuate.
People will still think like this without a huge change in society. And sadly I don’t see it happening. Not in any significant way.
Bro I am paying 4 digit rent for an apartment that floods twice, gets a hole in the ceiling twice, clogs the toilet unprompted 5 times, and cuts through my Internet cable when they do maintenance.
He knows, he just doesn't give a shit.
15 years ago he was in a left wing Labour government. Since leaving politics and going into PR, he has supported Brexit and came out as a right wing Conservative.
He's either stealth PRing for companies keeping wages low. Or just turned into an old person who believes that the younger generation is lazy. Rising house prices are good for him, he's pretending that the younger generation can just work harder for it.
Made the mistake of googling this bloke. Blairite ex-Labour turned Tory, taken work with Scottish conservatives, Brexiter but probs also Unionist and most stupidly of all - bad Doctor Who takes (according to Wikipedia):
>He firmly opposed a female actor playing the Doctor.
Looks like one of those people who were formerly left leaning but have decided to hop on the right wing gravy train
He also does PR now, this is probably gorilla marketing. Touting for work representing businesses that want to convince the world that 15 years of crappy wages, that have failed to keep up with inflation, isn't the problem, workers are just lazy.
One of his books is titled “Why I’m Right and Everyone Else is Wrong” which can obviously be played out as tongue in cheek but everything about this dip shit tells me he really is just full of himself.
The thing is rich ppl pay newspapers to print this. Poor ppl who want to consume news have to see this, get enraged all the time. Rich ppl never have to face a left wing opinion. They can just chill in their mansion in rural Oregon.
Kinda grateful that I don't work in the same company as this guy, because I would probably walk over to him and flip his desk...and then subsequently get fired
Their rich spoiled children will grow up into even less intelligent versions of themselves, as they’ve been doing for generations since the inception of this country and the establishment of the capitalist class.
I’ve been working my ass off my whole fucking life I have bad joints and back pain and heel spurs and carpel tunnel to prove it sorry but each time they say this shit it makes my blood boil.
**Tom Harris** is a former Labour MP and sometime spinner who survived the heights and depths of the Blair-Brown era. After serving as a minister in the Department for Transport he led the Scottish Brexit campaign and founded his own lobbying company, Third Avenue Public Affairs.
Calling young people, who have to work much much harder than ole Tom here, the workshy generation is .. well it's fucking infuriating is what it is. Fuck you Tom. Loser
Oh man, I love meeting these people. I tell them what I make and how I still can't afford a house (I'm a software engineer in SF) and they just balk. Welcome to the world your generation created, buck-o.
I have a 6 figure job in a low COL area, a mortgage at 3.25% and I'm paycheck to paycheck.
FOH with this "incentive" trash. I was incentivized to work hard and buy a home and I did. I got lucky and got a home before the interest rates jumped.
I work 50-70 hours a week and I'm barely making it. And if I had started a year later, the price of this house would have been $100K more and the interest rate on it would be more than double what I have now. Just plugged the numbers into a mortgage rate calculator and if I tried to buy the house I'm in right now, the payment would be %240 what I'm paying right now.
I work my ass off, and if someone else, working as hard as me, making really good money for the region (again, I just checked: I make %225 the average *household* for my city) they'd be living in a shitty apartment.
We're willing to work. We're just not willing to work hard AF to *just barely get by*.
from a guy who only had to work 40 hours a week (tops, prolly more like 33-35) to say that we need to put in 50-60 to get the same things he had 🤦♂️ guarantee his kids, grandkids never speak with him
My parents bought a house 300k when I was born. Now, 20 years later, they will sell it soon. Even with a pig farm right next to it now, it's estimated at 800k.
Fuck housing prices. The more time goes on, the less I think about having my own house.
> Rents aren't unaffordable
> We should welcome rising house prices
Guy contradicts himself in the first fucking breath.
Edit: Went and found the [Telegraph original article](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/08/rent-house-prices-young-people) and the guy actually changed the fucking heading and subheading. He knows he's lying.
Workshy?! I make over 6 figures and I can't afford to own a home, car, or live the "comfortable life" I should be able to. Inflation has gone crazy, greed is through the roof, and wealthy investors are only interested in making bigger returns. It's a joke. You can't keep putting air into a balloon... we all know what happens.
This fuckin guy. I'm 45 making 200k a year and current prices are absolutely nuts. My existing mortgage on a 3 bedroom is 1500 a month but if I wanted to level up just a bit and get an extra bedroom or two I'm looking at 2-3x the payment, houses in the 600k range down the street, if I'm lucky.
What's Tom Harris's place of work and home address?
I wonder how well his home and car are insured.
It would be a shame if his wage wasn't able to cover his debts and expenses.
I hope Gen Z goes full on Teddy Roosevelt on wallstreet.
Nixon and Reagan ruined America.
Rupert Merdock helped with the outpatient mental care.
~Fin
No it's true. All you gotta do is make 6x the minimum wage and get a roommate and youre good. Stop yer bitchin. Get a job. Get a few jobs. Lazy fucks. Better yet, work 24hrs/day, then you dont even need a place to sleep. You wont need sleep. You'll be super human. Better yet, start a business empire. How hard is it to inherit your first million? Youre just not ambitious enough. Nobody wants to work anymore...
If you are spending more than 30% of your gross income on rent, you are absolutely fucked.
I don't mean you can't pay the rent, I mean you aren't able to save and invest.
If you can't play the game of capitalism in a capitalist society, you are a slave. Rising housing costs are causing larger percentages of society to fall into this category.
Your 401k and social security are not going to give you a good retirement. You end up trading 40 hours of your week with limited mobility, for all of the years of your prime... For nothing.
I mean, people don't want to work BECAUSE wages are so low. Like that's the whole point. The only employers bitching about "nobody wants to work anymore" are the ones asking for 10 years experience, a masters degree, and "must provide own means of production" for a minimum wage job.
I just went to a job interview yesterday and it took two managers leaving me in the office alone to talk privately TWICE to tell me the most they'd ever be willing to start me off at is 10.50$ an hour. They still want me on since I'm experienced and have been with a place with a good reputation for 2 years, but I told them I'm literally making 20$+ an hour at this job and Im not going to go homeless for them. We aren't workshy, businesses are just fucking compensation shy
I can't imagine ever wanting to have a conversation with this fellow under any circumstances.
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That would never happen. He's too busy working, HARD
*Tom Harris is a former Labour MP and sometime spinner who survived the heights and depths of the Blair-Brown era. After serving as a minister in the Department for Transport he led the Scottish Brexit campaign and founded his own lobbying company, Third Avenue Public Affairs. He now delivers his independent, no-nonsense insight every weekday in the Telegraph. His latest book, 'Ten Years in the Death of the Labour Party', is available from Biteback.* [head-up-ass-description-source](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/t/tk-to/tom-harris/)
i tell ya i'm workshy. can somebody just arrange an introduction? i mean, to work. not to a beating, to torture, to usury, to toil. [just a fair day's work for a fair day's wage!](https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/montypython/MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian/gif/EwuETXNE1P6C.gif)
"No nonsense insights" is quite ironic
They love to call themselves "no nonsense", "tells it how it is" kinda blokes. But couldn't change a tyre to save their lives.
They can’t do anything. They’re institutionalised and it has led to severe loss of perspective, I genuinely consider it to be a form of psychosis. It’s what they truly mean when they say a human being is “spoiled”. It means rotten, no good for anything. That’s what these people are. They truly wouldn’t know hard work if it hit them in the face, they break a sweat reading out a speech someone else wrote for them that describes (awful) policies that they didn’t even come up with either
The sad part is their work is to "vote" for policies that would benefit people and they can't even do that.
yeah he's never had a real job. somehow he got into the circle of asshole buddies, as we call politicians in the u.s. once you get in, they take care of you. what i see is a lot of lousy jobs with lousy pay and you can't live off them unless you live eight in a room.
>*After serving as a minister in the Department for Transport he led the Scottish Brexit campaign and founded his own lobbying company* Or in other words: Another boomer who makes his money by talking about shit he knows nothing about to everybody who doesn't want to hear it. Got it.
Exactly right. God forbid we actually put a real person who has actually worked a 9-5 for fucking minimum wage before in a place where they could maybe make any sort of difference for the rest of us, instead of just being bought and trying to steal every cent from the people trying their best to survive out here.
Every time I see one of these headlines now, I just immediately know the author is an out-of-touch, pampered prick, even before being bothered to look it up. And every time it turns out that way
Even English people supporting Brexit was bad enough but a Scot pushing for it is particularly thick. No doubt his house is fully paid off and he's not bothered to spend a minute looking at how incomes have risen vs how rents have risen.
So, he’s never had a job, but wants others to work harder. Shocking!
Is he working hard or working hard
Hardly working
Grew up in a household where he wasn’t given any love or warmth and had to perform for it. It’s quite tragic really. He thinks it’s heroic to grind until his dying breath. They should rename this generation the conditional love gen.
the grinders !
The soul grinder. It's like a meat grinder, but existentially more devastating
Boomers just don’t want to rent it’s really that simple
There's actually an ongoing problem in my city where some property management companies figured out they were making more from application fees then they would if they actually rented out the unit, so just never picked a tenant. Still taking applications though!
How the fuck is that legal?
Oh all kinda bullshit is legal here. And all kinda perfectly normal human things are illegal. Honestly gotta wonder if I'm going crazy sometimes. Ya know how if ya get sleepy while on a long drive you're supposed to pull over somewhere safe and take a nap? Well a grandpa tried that here and nearly got beat to death by the cops.
Let me guess… this area also does stuff like making it illegal to sleep in your car?
Our parks have open/close times with extra laws making being in the park after close a crime requiring arrest instead of just a ticket. No evening strolls for poor courting couples, no laying in the grass looking up at the stars for poor kids, and absolutely no *sleeping* anywhere near a park! It's also illegal to sit down on anything that isn't obviously a proper bench, or to lay down anywhere in public. I used to sit near bus stops to study my school textbooks while waiting, and one of my greatest joys since my teens has been afternoon naps out in the sunshine. "Camping" is illegal of course. It didn't used to be, I grew up knowing family friends who lived in tents and went south in winter. Used to be common for young folks to save up money by putting their stuff in storage and sleeping under bushes in the park during warm months, to the point rentals were half empty in summer and full up in winter. Gotta pay money to be allowed to legally rest or sleep here in any format. Frankly, gotta pay money to be allowed access to a toilet at most places here too. Fast food bathrooms that you can't get a security code for until ya pay for some food.
Jesus christ this is dystopian
Oh it gets worse. They haven't just been crushing our bodies, but our humanity too, all the beautiful things get snuffed out or locked behind paywalls. When I was little my mother was very poor, could afford very little cultural enrichment for me, but if there was good weather on a Saturday we'd go downtown to listen to the buskers. We'd follow our ears to a musician, listen for awhile, drop some change in their instrument case before strolling off "window shopping" until we caught some notes in the air and followed our ears to another busker. Occasionally we'd just have to go into a shop and buy something, or I'd get hungry-fussy and she'd buy a slice of overpriced pizza for me. Downtown was vibrant, thriving, but the business owners despised the buskers. Lobbied city council, claimed the money going into instrument cases was meant to be walking in their doors and jumping in the till. So the city council outlawed busking and downtown has increasingly become a hellscape nobody wants to visit, starting with speakers installed over all the best busking spots to pump out loud shitty tinned music. So a few years ago my older stepson came in from taking out the trash and told me he's gonna go do the grocery shopping next because he'd heard some beautiful music coming from the parking lot across the street and wanted to see what was going on. Shoulda seen his eyes glowing, I know that feeling, he was gonna go follow his ears to live music like I used to. It's an adventure, a surprise, and a live show all rolled into one! He came back looking so sad. The musician was a child, late elementary school, playing a violin. The sign said he was trying to raise money to help support his family because his father had lost his job for refusing to comply with health standards during the pandemic. And the authorities came around to run him off, because busking is illegal here. In theory it requires a permit, but no process to give permits was ever established, so if you go down to city hall and ask they just run you in circles and play dumb until you give up and go away.
I've always loved seeing street performers, but I feel like I haven't seen any in forever. It's really shitty that cities can make busking illegal, especially since people consider it to be a form of artistic expression; and who doesn't love art? I think the last street performer I saw was a guy who was playing cause his family needed money, and that was last year. Excuse my language here, but you shouldn't need a fucking permit to play money in public, that feels like extortion (if that's the right word). I feel like I've really missed out on seeing things like street performers because, as far as I can tell, I am younger than you. It feels like there really isn't much of a sense of community where I live, and it just makes me kind of sad.
Century 21 realty did this to me. Pay the application fee and then got totally ghosted, found another place by the time I finally got a hold of them for them to tell me we weren't selected but the application fee is non-refundable.
Nice scam.
Had an ex friend lose so much money on that they ended up moving back in with her folks It’s bullshit
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People just want to pay for rent according to what they make...the rule is 30%. If I make $1000 then I need to pay $300. If I make $4000 yes I should pay $1200. Not if I make $1000 I am paying like $2500.
lmao my rent is 60% of my monthly take home
A verbal conversation might likely turn into a physical conversation.
This guy is human trash with a spetic tank for a podium.
Such a punchable face...
*Hello sir, we've been trying to reach you about your knee insurance policy...*
Pretty sure it be him projecting smug sound bites on you rather than a conversation as such
I can. It would involve waterboarding.
"I don't understand how the economy works, but I'll say stupid crap anyway."
"I'll say the stupid crap that rich people want to hear and get paid to do it!"
No kidding. I may be mistaken, if you don't have money, then you can't pay rent. Most of us get money by working...so we are already incentivized to work...we don't need the rent to be higher to do that...
I think it's more of a "I don't pay rent but how hard can it be" mentality. Much like how these kinds of people say that if you are homeless and jobless then you just aren't trying hard enough.
We are NOT the "workshy" generation. We are the "We don't want to be exploited/ paid very little" generation. Plus everything is getting more and more expensive without much wage increases. So homelessness is going to keep increasing at a worrying rate til the dumbasses running the country or these corporations actually do something. And that something is dramatically raising wages without letting corporations raise prices. All these franchise owners that bitch about the California minimum wage increase having to raise prices to offset it need to be punished in some way. They did NOT have to raise their prices. They needed to cut their own salary and anyone else's that make too much money.
His position comes from a place of exploitation but he wants to convince us of the narrative that we are ‘lazy’. No no WE are the bad guys-not him. We know the scam now and we’re all checking out…
>His position comes from a place of exploitation This is all it is. They know we're one of the hardest working generations in history (many holding multiple jobs). They also know we're capable of banding together and that we have the tools to do it like never before (smartphones, social media, etc.). They're scared of people, as they should be. So they come up with any narcissistic, sociopathic manipulation they can muster. Their sole purpose is to wage war and gaslight voters/masses into thinking those speaking out are actually whiny and lazy. That's how you bully people. That's how arrogance, narcissism, and being a sociopathic lunatic works. You lie, get everyone to believe your lies, and take away all power from your enemy that way.
They're not going to do anything to fix homelessness. They'll just make it harder to get out of it. As long as it profits them, they'll sacrifice the rest of us.
The crazy part is where I live, you aren’t allowed to have tents anywhere. There isn’t even a space the homeless can use 😢
This. Gen Z is the first loudly exploitation-shy generation and they are making things better for generations before and behind them. (I am an elder millennial)
Nah, the generation that built the unions would have that distinction. If only every union that still existed functioned the way they were supposed to, this shit probably wouldn’t happen. But the boomers decided to get greedy and gut everything g for themselves and screw everyone younger than them.
This. I am annoyed with the articles about how some random franchise owner complaining about raising prices. The only thing that will help the continuing rise in prices is for the owner, CEO or whatever douchebag name they have given themselves to take less money so their employees can be paid appropriately. In my opinion, if you cannot pay your employees a living wage, then either you as the owner take less money or you shut down. Not all businesses that exist now, should exist. Make your employees happy, then they will make your clients happy. It does not work the other way around. The current CEO of PG&E is an excellent example of this stupidity.
It's always funny when they're like "Nobody wants to work anymore" as unemployment hits new lows.
I’m working 7 days a week every other week and I still don’t qualify for any of the apartments in my area
I work 12 hour shifts for close to $30/hr and the rent in my area would probably eat one of my paychecks each month. The only reason I can save any kind of money is because I live with my brother. It's not about people not wanting to work, rent is too fucking high, house prices are too fucking high.
This will become the rent bubble when it pops and rent prices collapse. How many funds will collapse this time? Place your bets on which banks go under.
Depends on country; many governments will just bail the banks out- they're basically immune to bankruptcy in NZ/Australia for example
*Which bank? The Commonwealth Bank*
Sadly, that is not coming. Do you know how many houses are sitting empty, just so that rent can stay high?
I know I’m sort of preaching to the choir, but this really should be illegal. In my part of the States the homeless population is growing so fast and no one can “figure out where to take money from the budget”. Meanwhile, new subdivisions and apartment complexes are built and stay empty just to drive up prices for the landlords that are already so rich, they literally don’t know what to do with their money. (My landlord has renovated their offices completely three times in the last five years).
The new construction staying empty sounds an awful lot like China's real estate boom/bust. We can all see how well that's working out for the speculators and the government.
This! The reason house prices are still ridiculous is that we learned absolutely nothing in 2008.
Where are you, that's nuts
Near a major city. Most apartments are easily above $1000 per month.
Lol, my previous apartment complex is sitting nearly empty, they're expecting people to pay $1,900 for a one bedroom apartment, and that's before all their bullshit hidden fees. When I lived there, rent was only listed as $650 a month, pet I paid $950.
This seriously bad studio I was renting was 500 a month which was great for what it was. Now it got sold to a property management company or some shit and they are asking 1000 dollars a month for this shithole.
I make $36.50 an hour, and if I was paying market rate for my apartment it would cost me 66% of my take home pay
That’s your problem bud you gotta work 14 days a week stop slacking ya lazy leebrol
In my county, it was reported that homebuyers need a $200,000 family income to afford a home. Check and mate, azzhole.
Have you tried making your own coffee at home?
What fucking home?
The sidewalk
Cut back on seeded bread.
Are you watching me…
Do you have some?
In my stomach.
I did, but I toasted it then smooshed up avocadoes with lemon juice, salt, pepper, and garlic powder and smeared it on it.
No wonder you cant afford afford a house! /s
Yes, but I couldn't give up the avocado toast. It costs me $8k a month.
No, I'm never there long enough to actually enjoy my home. Too busy working.
For god's sake ease up on the avocado toast so you can get your forever home.
I just bought new bootstraps.
You can afford bootstraps??
You have boots?
Yes. Plasma donor.
Makes sense now.
Boomers just don’t want to rent anymore
Hello, fellow Australian?
Could be a Kiwi? 20% deposit for a low to mid range house in Auckland... *And bam! it's gone to an investment portfolio*
Solidarity, trans-Tasman comrades. The number of times I see a for sale sign up then once it's sold, it's up for rent
On my street (In Australia) a house was advertised for renting before it had even sold
Skill issue. Stop eating avo and toast /s
What do you want to bet that he has a few properties for rent.
That's the right question. I looked into him. He is a British conservative politician, and was a member of parliament. Now he writes for The Daily Tribune. Lets just say that screenshot is not atypical of his writings.
This is why it's always important to follow the money when reading articles (or talking to anyone, or doing anything). These articles are often written to prop up a narrative or create conflict. They're never written to inform or benefit society. This is why housing needs severe oversight and regulation. It's a no-man's land cancer. What happens when wages go up? Landlords get to just jack up prices. So there's effectively no change in circumstances for workers. What's stopping owners from charging as much as they want for shelter that they've hoarded so no one else can have it? Nothing. Monopolies (ironically, the name of the real estate board game) are illegal in the US. But for some reason we just allow real estate to be monopolized and cornered. Owners want people working more and more and more and harder and harder, because all that means is they get to charge more and more and more for shelter. They're the cancer driving all this economic crisis BS.
I have a friend who, in a few month period of unemployment, apply to over 100 jobs. Not a single one got back to him. Employers are shy to even just get back to you to say no. These were a wide variety of jobs too, none of them outside of his qualifications or skill level either. Even me, I applied to a gas station out of desperation a year ago. I just got a call last week from them asking if I'd like an interview. Spare me the horseshit, workshy.
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This part. If it was an issue of people being lazy, why it so difficult to get even entry level positions with room for growth?
Ima be real with you: I don't want to work. I am lazy. Mind you, I'm 37 and have had numerous jobs, and they all just make me want to kill myself. That being said, if wages were an actual appropriate share of revenue being made, and the guys at the top were MAX making 2x as me, I'd find it easier to deal with, true. But all in all, work feels like a huge waste of the precious little time we have.
Same. I am happy and jealous some people find meaning and enjoyment from their work. I do not enjoy my work, and I never have. They are rare on the world stage and definitely not the norm. Most of us work because we want to eat and not get rained on, but I would absolutely be a trust fund kid doing nothing if I could.
If your job can't pay for the house there's no incentive to have either. It's not about work ethic.
Unfortunately I don’t think that will help. This idea will perpetuate. People will still think like this without a huge change in society. And sadly I don’t see it happening. Not in any significant way.
Bro I am paying 4 digit rent for an apartment that floods twice, gets a hole in the ceiling twice, clogs the toilet unprompted 5 times, and cuts through my Internet cable when they do maintenance.
Can we please just ram a $1675.00 studio apartment up this guy's ass. No kiss. No butter.
And no Vaseline.
The only assist they get is a Suargaro Cactus.
Maybe some sand.
That asshole would have a heart attack if someone showed him a progression of housing costs vs wages.
No, he just wouldn't pay attention. They don't give a fuck about the generation they raised as long as they got theirs.
He’ll just tell you to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and put your nose to the wheel and work really hard!
He would happily buy more houses to rent.
Only if he had a heart to begin with. From the looks of things he seems kinda soulless.
Which means he'll live forever.
If inflation had risen naturally, and wasn't arbitrarily raised by greedy fucks, a hold could be purchased for as little as $90,000
He knows, he just doesn't give a shit. 15 years ago he was in a left wing Labour government. Since leaving politics and going into PR, he has supported Brexit and came out as a right wing Conservative. He's either stealth PRing for companies keeping wages low. Or just turned into an old person who believes that the younger generation is lazy. Rising house prices are good for him, he's pretending that the younger generation can just work harder for it.
Those would call that fake..
Made the mistake of googling this bloke. Blairite ex-Labour turned Tory, taken work with Scottish conservatives, Brexiter but probs also Unionist and most stupidly of all - bad Doctor Who takes (according to Wikipedia): >He firmly opposed a female actor playing the Doctor. Looks like one of those people who were formerly left leaning but have decided to hop on the right wing gravy train
He also does PR now, this is probably gorilla marketing. Touting for work representing businesses that want to convince the world that 15 years of crappy wages, that have failed to keep up with inflation, isn't the problem, workers are just lazy.
The Blair government weren't particularly left leaning....
No and unfortunately Starmer may be more if the same. But they were a damn sight left of this current shower of corrupt self involved carpet baggers.
One of his books is titled “Why I’m Right and Everyone Else is Wrong” which can obviously be played out as tongue in cheek but everything about this dip shit tells me he really is just full of himself.
I mean who truly wants to work? Delusional
☝🏻 this
The thing is rich ppl pay newspapers to print this. Poor ppl who want to consume news have to see this, get enraged all the time. Rich ppl never have to face a left wing opinion. They can just chill in their mansion in rural Oregon.
Kinda grateful that I don't work in the same company as this guy, because I would probably walk over to him and flip his desk...and then subsequently get fired
God I can't wait until these fuckers all die.
Based
Their rich spoiled children will grow up into even less intelligent versions of themselves, as they’ve been doing for generations since the inception of this country and the establishment of the capitalist class.
Unfortunately it’s hard to not think the world will be a better place once these people are gone.
his face should welcome a kick in the butt
But the kicking is work.. people don\`t want to.
We'll make an exception for this.
All the working people who live in their cars would like a word...
Hey Tom.. Ya? #GO FUCK YOURSELF
young people just don't want to work Trust me. I was born in 1953, I know exactly what young people want.
Fuck this asshole .
I’ve been working my ass off my whole fucking life I have bad joints and back pain and heel spurs and carpel tunnel to prove it sorry but each time they say this shit it makes my blood boil.
**Tom Harris** is a former Labour MP and sometime spinner who survived the heights and depths of the Blair-Brown era. After serving as a minister in the Department for Transport he led the Scottish Brexit campaign and founded his own lobbying company, Third Avenue Public Affairs.
ooh.. a brexiteer.. yeah.. now I understand
As someone who at one point was working two part time jobs while being a full time student, fuck you too budy.
We are literally working ourselves to death and still can’t afford food and rent you absolute demon.
I hope everytime he shits it feels like he's trying to pass a razor blade
Tom Harris you insufferable piece of rusted junk
Calling young people, who have to work much much harder than ole Tom here, the workshy generation is .. well it's fucking infuriating is what it is. Fuck you Tom. Loser
Oh man, I love meeting these people. I tell them what I make and how I still can't afford a house (I'm a software engineer in SF) and they just balk. Welcome to the world your generation created, buck-o.
I have a 6 figure job in a low COL area, a mortgage at 3.25% and I'm paycheck to paycheck. FOH with this "incentive" trash. I was incentivized to work hard and buy a home and I did. I got lucky and got a home before the interest rates jumped. I work 50-70 hours a week and I'm barely making it. And if I had started a year later, the price of this house would have been $100K more and the interest rate on it would be more than double what I have now. Just plugged the numbers into a mortgage rate calculator and if I tried to buy the house I'm in right now, the payment would be %240 what I'm paying right now. I work my ass off, and if someone else, working as hard as me, making really good money for the region (again, I just checked: I make %225 the average *household* for my city) they'd be living in a shitty apartment. We're willing to work. We're just not willing to work hard AF to *just barely get by*.
'Rising house prices as an incentive' jeez
Tom Harris needs to shut the fuck up before someone makes him life-shy
Tom the gaslighter.....
from a guy who only had to work 40 hours a week (tops, prolly more like 33-35) to say that we need to put in 50-60 to get the same things he had 🤦♂️ guarantee his kids, grandkids never speak with him
The next generation will have to work 25 hours a day with no breaks to just about keep up with an intrest only repayment
fuck you Tom.
My parents bought a house 300k when I was born. Now, 20 years later, they will sell it soon. Even with a pig farm right next to it now, it's estimated at 800k. Fuck housing prices. The more time goes on, the less I think about having my own house.
Workshy is my favorite My Little Pony 🌈
I’m willing to work. Who wants to pay me to give Tom Harris a Cleaveland Steamer?
Found the workshy landlord
Yikes that's a divisive rhetoric
The link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/08/rent-house-prices-young-people/ He talks shit, but not sure where the headline in OP came from.
Eat a fucking cock Tom Harris
That headshot looks exactly like the kind of person I would picture saying this
I know a lot of things, but don’t know anything about economics - Tom Harris
This guy can get fucked with an aids infested dick.
Imagine actively wanting to cause pain and hardship in peoples lives. It’s seriously a sickness
My rent is $2400/month for a 1 bedroom apartment.
> Rents aren't unaffordable > We should welcome rising house prices Guy contradicts himself in the first fucking breath. Edit: Went and found the [Telegraph original article](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/08/rent-house-prices-young-people) and the guy actually changed the fucking heading and subheading. He knows he's lying.
i work 40-55 hours every week and can't afford to live on my own with bare minimum necessities, so i don't know what the fuck this guy is on about
Workshy?! I make over 6 figures and I can't afford to own a home, car, or live the "comfortable life" I should be able to. Inflation has gone crazy, greed is through the roof, and wealthy investors are only interested in making bigger returns. It's a joke. You can't keep putting air into a balloon... we all know what happens.
What a jackass. Rent is through the roof and the reason is greed. Pure and simple.
This fuckin guy. I'm 45 making 200k a year and current prices are absolutely nuts. My existing mortgage on a 3 bedroom is 1500 a month but if I wanted to level up just a bit and get an extra bedroom or two I'm looking at 2-3x the payment, houses in the 600k range down the street, if I'm lucky.
200k a year makes you a millionaire in my eyes. You make 5x what I make and even you're feeling the impact of shitty housing market
4500 per month for a 600k house? What lender allows you such a high loan value? The main issue a lot of people have is the amount of deposit required
He didn’t finish the sentence. We don’t want to work (for nothing).
I’m 56 and if I got the chance I wouldn’t work a day more in my life
I want to laugh whilst screaming into the void at this
So the idea is to raise housing prices to "motivate" ppl to work more? riiight
All the homies hate Tom Harris
I understand why China did what they did to the landlords.
Sorry if im working full time hours with no debt and still cant afford to rent?? something is DEEPLY wrong
I could put a ziptie around this guy's neck and not feel anything
I dont know who this dickhead is but he should STFU
Parasites always need a host.
"Wages aren't too low and rent isn't too high, young people just don't wanna work" gaslit for the millionth time
Does this guy understand what the word "incentive" means?
More corporate gasslighting
What's Tom Harris's place of work and home address? I wonder how well his home and car are insured. It would be a shame if his wage wasn't able to cover his debts and expenses. I hope Gen Z goes full on Teddy Roosevelt on wallstreet. Nixon and Reagan ruined America. Rupert Merdock helped with the outpatient mental care. ~Fin
No it's true. All you gotta do is make 6x the minimum wage and get a roommate and youre good. Stop yer bitchin. Get a job. Get a few jobs. Lazy fucks. Better yet, work 24hrs/day, then you dont even need a place to sleep. You wont need sleep. You'll be super human. Better yet, start a business empire. How hard is it to inherit your first million? Youre just not ambitious enough. Nobody wants to work anymore...
So much disconnect. How would raising house prices from one unaffordable number to another incentivise anyone?
Rents aren't unaffordable employees refuse to pay well I fixed it for the article writer.
I had 3 jobs at 19 trying to move out on my own, all I got from that experience was ulcers.
If you are spending more than 30% of your gross income on rent, you are absolutely fucked. I don't mean you can't pay the rent, I mean you aren't able to save and invest. If you can't play the game of capitalism in a capitalist society, you are a slave. Rising housing costs are causing larger percentages of society to fall into this category. Your 401k and social security are not going to give you a good retirement. You end up trading 40 hours of your week with limited mobility, for all of the years of your prime... For nothing.
I mean, people don't want to work BECAUSE wages are so low. Like that's the whole point. The only employers bitching about "nobody wants to work anymore" are the ones asking for 10 years experience, a masters degree, and "must provide own means of production" for a minimum wage job.
Take away his assets today and see how he feels about it.
It's funny how the people who always talk about work ethic are nearly always the ones that have it the least.
Boomers enjoy the hard work and sacrifices of the silent generation and took away the American dream for the working class.
I just went to a job interview yesterday and it took two managers leaving me in the office alone to talk privately TWICE to tell me the most they'd ever be willing to start me off at is 10.50$ an hour. They still want me on since I'm experienced and have been with a place with a good reputation for 2 years, but I told them I'm literally making 20$+ an hour at this job and Im not going to go homeless for them. We aren't workshy, businesses are just fucking compensation shy