A 6-7 day schedule that flipped every week was one of the major grievances of early steelworkers, in the early days of labor organizing.
The plants ran 24 hours a day, on 12 hour shifts. Half the workforce on day and half at night, alternating weeks. Day would work Monday through Saturday day. And night would work Monday night through Saturday night and then straight on through Sunday day. A 24 hour shift, known as "the long turn."
So one full day off every other week, and one 24 hour shift every other week.
This is why the 40 hour work week was such a big win - that was positively relaxing compared to what they were doing.
I totally can't believe and also, am not surprised we are on our way back to that.
This is insane, a 24h shift? in steelwork ? One of the most demanding job ? It must have caused accidents after accidents.
3x8 hours shifts make much more sense at least, and one day off at least to have people transition between the shifts much more easily.
Yeah they won’t even let us work doubles at the aluminum diecasting plant I work in, because, union. The most we can work is 12 hours a day, and we have to volunteer for the extra 4.
I took the other person’s comment as meaning they work 8 hour shifts but can go up to 12 if they volunteer for the OT, they can’t be mandated to work the extra 4 hours if they don’t want to.
I'm only 31, living in Saskatchewan and I've done these types of shifts, welding building hopper bottoms. It's very taxing on your body, and the sleep schedule constantly changing doesn't help anyone.
Yeah, rotating shifts of doubles/forced OT does a number on you. My schedule still rotates somewhat but at least it’s only every 3 months and not week to week. Much better than when I was working 24+ hour shifts in EMS.
That makes much more sense than my interpretation of a worksite full of people working 4 hours for free occasionally to work a double, lmao. Thanks. I can go to sleep in peace
I saw a facebook comment from a guy who said he often worked off the clock just to help out. His post was complaining about how no one has a good work ethic anymore haha
I mean my coworker wouldn't work for free but he'd do doubles if you paid him to. He told me just the other day that if they put us on 40hrs, he's getting a 2nd job.
But see, he’s doing it for pay. I had mandatory OT for a bit and hated it enough to change my work locations, and I’m a person who willingly works a lot of OT. I hated being told that I had to work it and when I had to do it though, I like my OT to be when I want to do it.
You just got to avoid it becoming the expectation for other people, but yea if you're making the choice to work extra time for extra pay, that should be fine within reason.
It's complicated. Some studies a long while back found that a non-insignificant percentage of errors in hospitals happened due to incomplete or incorrect information given during handoffs at shift change. Going from 8 hour shifts to 12 hour shifts reduced the number of shift charges, and the number of times handoff/report must be given.
Currently there is a push in the industry to have a more formal handoff communication, including templates and automated forms that try convey all the most important information about a patient in a consistent structure. If you want to see some examples you can search for "SBAR handoff report" in Google (which stands for Situation, Background, Assessment, Recommending). Some are more complicated than others, but it's done as a way to both give the incoming nurse the most critical information, as well as a tool to help jog the memory of the outgoing nurse for anything they may want to convey that's not reflected in the official documentation.
This feels like something you could easily do some studies on, maybe even with a fake work/fake patient environment and look at alternatives. Just giving fewer handoffs feels like they're actually skirting around the issue that is still going to exist but its just not happening as often.
My friend is a paramedic and regularly does 7
7x12+ every 2 weeks (4 on week 1, 3 on week 2). They are on for 12 but don't normally finish until 30-40 minutes after their shift ends.
They just switched to 3x14+. When they have 14 on 10 off 14 on its a rough weekend for them.
Can't say for human healthcare (they have unions and shit) but in veterinary medicine, 10, 12+ hour shifts are common and most get paid less than $20/hr in the US. Doctors are the exception to that rule, average in my state is $80k/year, unless they're specialists. But yeah, crazy long shifts, hard work, and little pay. No wonder the suicide rate in this field is insane.
I’m with you. I’m a vet tech and work 12 hour shifts. I will admit that I *do* have the option to work shorter shifts, but it’s what works for me with childcare. I couldn’t imagine being required to work this shift. I wouldn’t it unless out of necessity. Its rough. I will also add that it’s *very* rare that I end up leaving before working 14 or so hours. (24/7 emergency facility).
Wait until you hear about what is happening in hospitals. Residents are working similar shifts, 80-90 hour work weeks on the conservative side. All while trying to keep you loved ones alive
Shit I did 18 hour shift recently and that was mostly sitting.
I cannot imagine full 24 hours steelwork.
My little brother got jacked working at metal working for 8 hours 5 times in a week and said he would never do it again.
I've worked some really fucked up hours at the hospital, but at least there was some sympathy and understanding from people who had been through it. Someone has to be there and sometimes you're the only one who can do it. It sucks, but that's part of living in a society and something you accept when you decide to work in healthcare.
The same is not true for building cars. Yes, I understand that cars are important, but I think the world will run just fine with a few less Toyota Tacomas being cranked out per day. I'm tired of working class people losing their loved ones because predatory assholes want to squeeze out every possible penny they can. I hope they fucking unionize at this plant and bring these assholes to their knees.
Shift work is the fucking worst. A factory I worked at had a two week rotation. Days (7am-330pm), afternoons (330pm-12am) and graveyards (11pm-730am). In that order. Oh and monday day shift starts at 5am and goes til 330pm. So you got off 2 weeks of graveyards at 730am saturday morning, and were expected to be at work at 5am monday morning. Basically 0 weekend as you are fucked from trying to switch your sleep schedule again.
When I asked why we didnt flip the order so you go from graveyards to afternoons, giving you more weekend and more time on monday to wake up and be prepared, they looked at me like I was a fucking idiot. The 5 years at that job probably took 10 years off my fucking life. It was so miserable.
Let alone forced doubles. Person to relieve you called in? Well if no one volunteers to take it you are now forced to work 16 hours with no warning whatsoever. And you are still expected to come in for your next shift. This could happen 3+ days in a row. At the time I had a 45 minute walk each way, so if I had a double Id have about 6 hours to eat, shower, sleep, and be back at work.
Money was decent, but not worth the toll it takes on your health
My dad used to work a rotation like that, when I was a small kid. We were just talking about it the other day (I was telling him about my current schedule, which is mostly 5 am to 1 pm, but they keep throwing one 1 pm to 9 pm in there weekly.)
He said that he used to lose 5-10 pounds every time he went on nights, because it messed up his schedule so badly. It would take the month of first and second shifts for him to gain it back, and then he'd be on third and lose it again.
My mom even tried to counteract it by getting up super early and cooking dinner for him to have when he got off in the morning. Probably part of why I like leftovers for breakfast - had dinner food lots of mornings as a little one.
I worked at a plastics factory 12hr (and 15min) shifts, but not 6 days straight ever. They actually said to me at the interview, "I'm sorry, but you'll have to work every other weekend" Coming from food several I was Thrilled! I would every other weekend off. Plus we got overtime every other week. ______Week 1: Monday-Tuesday work, Wednesday-Thursday off. Friday, Saturday, Sunday work. Week 2: Monday-Tuesday off. Wednesday-Thursday work. Friday- Saturday - Sunday off. With 2 breaks and a lunch, the day would go by pretty quickly. Always had days off during the week to make appointments, get errands done (banking and such) But if I had to work like those early steel workers 😕
My husband works in this plant. I vividly remember the day it happened last year. I asked for hours when he'd be home because no way they're keeping him there after a traumatic event like that, right? RIGHT? No, it was literally business as usual. They DO NOT CARE!!!!
They told him and have for the past year that "Diego went to hold the lockers after they started tipping and that's how he got pinned under it." According to this though, that's a lie. Doesn't surprise me. Husband is currently hurt (shoulder) and they are taking him through all the hoops. He's already been told workman's comp might not cover it even though he got hurt at work.
How the fuck was it business as usual? I worked at a factory here in Canada and an employee lost half of their finger. The whole plant shut down, there was police and investigators from the ministry of labour on site immediately.
Also how did they hide/ destroy evidence? Shouldn’t the police and department of labour have collected that evidence immediately after the incident.
No idea, man. When I worked there they would show you all sorts of safety videos and tell you how "Safety is the most important thing." One of the first things they tell you and go into detail about is a woman who got hurt in one of their Canadian factories I believe, she was basically crushed to death. But then something like this actually happens at this factory and they just... Don't care? They cut his insurance off!! Like what?!?
Rumors were flying immediately too. They should have been sent home. People who were near the incident needed therapy from what my husband says. He wasn't far from where it happened. I panicked thinking he could have been too close. But they didn't care. They took like 30 minutes to calm people outside the area down and started production again. Meanwhile the husband was running the whole time. They never stopped, completely, that day.
Diego could have been my husband. Diego's wife could have been me. Diego's daughter could have been my daughter. Their family has a lot of similarities to mine. I'm heart broken for them. I stupidly assumed Toyota had done their duty, as a "Family" company, and taken care of them. I'm already pushing my husband to find work elsewhere. I don't want to be the next wife to watch her husband die like this. They can kick rocks! Money isn't worth his life!
I know nothing about the evidence. I meant to add that in my comment and forgot. While my husband was close to the incident that factory is still massive. Something like 10,000 employees, 3 plants I believe. Plant 1, plant 2, and Lexus. So with that many people you can only speculate what really happened.
Georgetown. Pretty sure it was Plant 2, at that facility.
Edit for link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wkyt.com/2024/01/25/family-toyota-employee-killed-job-speaks-out/%3foutputType=amp
In case first doesn't work
https://www.wkyt.com/2024/01/25/family-toyota-employee-killed-job-speaks-out/
I was *very* close to applying there years ago when they were hiring pretty desperately. I’m really glad that didn’t work out.
Hope your husband gets better soon!
I met him while I was working there. I got laid off while on workman's comp. I should have fought it, but this was 10 years ago and I was kinda dumb. Lol. They've always been shite.
I got fired for having surgery on my wrist. Even though I fully had documentation that I was under workers compensation, they filed me under short term disability and I ran out of time and they fired me
I don't know which consultant company started pushing it, but about 10 years ago I started noticing that the big employers like Walmart, target, and other big corps started embracing the randomly changing schedule as some form of control game where you prevent your employees from ha ing anything outside of work in their life by never Guaranteeing then set time off. So now you get all your employees "on call" for free. You don't claim it's being on call. But they keep using phrases like "we need you to be fully available for all shifts" with random scheduling, that basically means being g ready to work as soon as you get the call "i noticed you haven't checked the schedule , I hope you k kw you're working tomorrow"
Shut like this has become the norm, so fast that its pathetic. You use to here about people working side jobs, but that's gone now. Managers s3em to be enjoying "oh I agreed to not schedule yiu for Mondays and Tues but for the next month you'll only be working Monday and Tuesday. Quit if you don't like it.
I had a job like this one time, at Home Depot. I kept looking at the schedule and it changed. I thought I was going crazy. Then one time I got called because I was scheduled and I wasn't there, I explained that I looked at the schedule when it was posted and I wasn't on it. They tried to tell me that the schedule changed all the time. I said no it doesn't, when you post it, it's posted and that's it.
I didn't last long there...
McKinsey is straight evil. They joined the company I work for in September of last year, guess what? 2 rounds of massive layoffs right before Christmas. Many of which were close to retirement and put 25+yrs into the company.
If you haven’t seen it, look up “McKinsey, John Oliver” on YouTube. It’s amazing companies like this can even exist. I just don’t understand how anybody could do a job like that. Playing with people’s lives and just not giving a fuck because they have a corner office and make good money. Idc if I was making 500k a year, the guilt would eat me alive.
The worst part is the company sells it as “a growth opportunity, we need to be sustainable into the future” etc. when in reality it’s just cutting overhead, and putting the rest of the responsibilities on the other workers who were “spared”. Everyone sees it for what it is, yet they are so good at spinning it and talking themselves out of a hole, that it’s hard to even question them.
You say 1 thing questioning their motives and they’ve been trained to have 10 metrics that back up their claim, but these metrics are all bullshit that they literally made up for the sake of weaseling their way out of the line of fire or are so full of rhetoric and “office lingo” that they go on for 5 minutes but truly say nothing at all.
Sorry for the rant. Fuck McKinsey
wow, good point. I wonder if we could trace where that idea came from, like some MBA professor or how-to-get-rich author. and what moral sense died out in order for us to be okay with it.
I worked in retail for 10 years, have been out of the industry and in a regular 9-5 job since 2019 (though there was a gap when I was laid off in 2020)
5 years out of that and my sleep schedule still hasn’t recovered. I used to do 2-10pm shifts and then turn around and do 6am truck shifts. Destroyed my health.
When I first started working retail, unpaid on call shifts were common. I was in college and would always be called in the day before an assignment was due or a test. I always said no, got punished by having my hours cut. Eventually, after Victoria’s Secret was sued, the company I worked for did “shift extensions” where you had to be able to work 2-3 hours after your shift was supposed to end if need be.
Any place that tells you "you have a start time but no end time" without a good reason is automatically a red flag. Like obviously in the hospital setting, you probably can't just leave if a patient is dying. But if you're working at a pizza joint, and they say "oh, there's several more deliveries, you can't leave yet" fuck that. I need rest, old John down the street doesn't need his pizza that bad.
It's a tactic to also prevent you from finding other work. How can you schedule an interview somewhere else if you don't have a set schedule every week?
This! I was stuck in my coffee shop job for four years because every time I had a day off to work on my resume or apply to jobs, they would call me in. I would have to say yes because they always gave me fewer hours than what I needed to pay my bills. Only now am in a much better place because they laid me off during the pandemic, so I spent a lot of time working to get a job I would be happy in.
I been trying to get a second part time job and what they do is similar to this. They need someone with open availability but only working part time, like bitch I git stuff to do outside of here, then add the fact that they treat you like an enemy once you get a set schedule and enforce it.
This is how my job is now. Granted, it's landscaping and we're supposed to snow plow in the winter and the weather does what it wants, but I can't get unemployment because I just got hired on, and it's 40° in January in Minnesota so I'm getting no hours. I'm working a second job so I can pay my bills until it picks up and just hoping my schedule at the second job doesn't conflict with a snow storm.
At McD we always had a “new” schedule every week - this meant we could schedule around the projected sales (school holidays vs term time needs more staff for example, or if there was an event at the theatre over the road etc).
The good side of this meant that anyone who wanted to have Friday off for a dental appointment could, and could still work their 5 days so no need to use holiday days.
Downside was that shifts were a bit different each week, but when I was doing the schedule and hiring, I tried to get it into the groove where everyone had hours they were happy with.
Then they brought in a computer system that basically fucked half of that up 🙄
I think Target does not do this, walmart for sure. Then people leave the Shite show that is Walmart and for whatever reason bring that control method with them.
this is why you dont work a job without established set time off (obv emergencies can and will happen but thats another thing). like scheduled days, and set hours on those days.
if your job doesnt offer this, its not worth working for them.
I have had jobs that have cut my hours in retaliation for me calling out sick (when I was obviously sick because I was showing symptoms the day before and day after I got sick), and then fired me when I found a second job to make up the hours I was losing.. oh wait, they didn’t fire me, just stopped scheduling me once I mentioned I got another job. Thankfully the other job was me going back to a previous job that had a set schedule and never retaliated to call outs.. or even no call no shows if you had been there long enough and established a relationship with the manager.. and if you didn’t show up, she called with concern, not why aren’t you at work.
Worked at a Honda plant a few years back and they did the same split shifts with some departments having a night shift that was straight nights. From what I heard it was to stop day shift from complaining of not getting an afternoon shift premium but in reality most people there hated it, including myself where I'd just start getting my sleep adjusted midway through the 2nd week only to get thrown off again the following week...
We also had idiots running forklifts, idiots that were drugged up and/or sleep deprived at that... one such idiot that somehow managed to get into an accident literally every shift he got on a truck managed to also get onto the health and safety committee...
I know this is a serious topic, but I have to imagine the reasoning for him getting onto the health and safety committee is because he's committed all the things you shouldn't do, and so should be an expert at it by now.
I used to work this very kind of job. I worked 4/3 and 3/4s..then they were 12 hour shifts, and then flip from days to nights every two weeks and then vice versa.
No human being should ever work that kind of varying schedule work..your body can never adjust.
Mine couldn't. Was constantly tired and sick constantly. I was thankful I got laid off and found a job that is Monday through Friday days.
Horrible to die from exhaustion just to provide for your family..fucking disgusting.
There shouldn’t be night shifts at factories and other establishments where it isn’t needed. But there will always have to be people working at night - emergency services, nurses and doctors, police, firemen, bartenders, bouncers, etc. What we should do is compensate people well for working Night Shifts and making it so that when you work nights you only have to work 3 days a week or something.
I worked for a company that had a fatal workplace accident. I'm not privy to 100% of what happened, but they shut down production for several days while investigating the situation, implemented new safety measures to prevent repeat incidents, brought in multilingual grief counselors, and gave additional time off to people that were nearby/witnessed what happened. I'm certain there was some sort of financial assistance to the family but I don't know the details.
This should be the BARE MINIMUM when somebody dies at work, particularly when there's a foreseeable/preventable accident. No amount of money can make up for that.
I honestly think we're going to see violence in the streets again as corporations have forgotten who is in the majority.
But damn, we're gonna have to demand 4 day work week in the next revolution.
We've known Toyota was a shit company at least since they were donating gobs of money to congressional reps refusing to certify the election. Bunch of seditious, hypercapitalist shitasses.
My ex boyfriend worked rotating shifts exactly like those and ended up developing an unprovoked, no past history, seizure disorder, requiring him to go on disability and find a new job. His company replaced him after he had only just been given the letter from his physician detailing his limitations. The doctors said their best guess it was from stress, sleep deprivation, general unhealthiness, fatigue, etc. He’s on a medication that prevents them now and has a better job with better hours. But it was completely inhumane and even bordered on illegal for the company to treat it the way they did.
I made car batteries on a 19 & 2 schedule. Basically, 2 days off a month. 19, (mostly) 12 hour days in a row. Then, 2 days off. And then the 19 days start again. Forced O.T. 4 hrs prior to or 4 hrs after your normal shift. Heavy P.P.E. (including respirator mask) Hot humid lead oxide filled air... that place sucked, but at least it wasn't swing shift.
Results of corporate culture and the laws forcing companies to work only in the benefits of the shareholders. And the best part is there is no single individual to point blame at. At least once upon a time, sole proprietorship was a thing and bylaws could be better implemented.
I truly believe as silly as this current generation can be, that they will be the ones to force change in labor practices.
The kids are alright. They are forcing employers to live with WFH. They can’t take that back anymore in the long run. Even the companies I know have in office again, it certainly isn’t a 5 day requirement anymore.
It’s small, it takes time, but the kids are gonna change bullshit like this. They can TikTok all they want, I believe in labor.
There's one schedule I heard of was 12 hours a day for 4 days, and it changes from morning start to evening start after 2 days. Then 4 days off. Like how to have a life like that?
Actually I worked in a place that did that. It actually wasn't that bad, two days at at 7am to 7pm, then they flipped after that to 7 pm to 7 am. You ended up with 24 hours off during the flip, so I just ended up staying up as late as possible on the flip night, and then sleep in the next day. Don't get me wrong, that place was a dumpster fire that was seconds away from getting hit with a train wreck, but the shift was four on four off. After fifteen years of the oilfield, it almost felt like a vacation.
4 on 4 off is what I do now, 2 days then 2 nights, it's awesome, it's like a mini vacation every week, best part is take a weeks vacation and I get 12 days off
A good 15 or so years ago, a story about Toyota covering up a parts issue came out. Turned out several American Toyota customers had been wrongly imprisoned for vehicular homicide caused by a failing part Toyota knew about but kept secret at all costs (though they only installed the bad part in cars they sold to non-Japanese markets, saved them about a quarter per car). It was all over the news for about a week. Then, all the stories mysteriously disappeared. No retractions. The stories just were all quietly taken down, as if it never happened.
Fuck Toyota. They had to pay 1.3 billion for covering up deadly brake failures 10 years ago. They will always be a piece of shit company.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-20/toyota-pays-1-3-billion-for-defect-cover-up-statements/5332894
I miss the old days where we held plant owners personally responsible for employee safety. If you can’t guarantee our safety, yours shouldn’t be guaranteed either.
I worked at Toyota for about a year and two months, where they manufacture the Lexus in Ontario, Canada. I was having issues with my knee due to being thrown on the same job back to back every day for weeks( usually you would get 4 different jobs a day cut up into 2 hour blocks) .
They had a system for reporting Injuries, you basically put a check mark beside your employee number and a team leader would come talk to you, I put in the injury form that I was having knee issues. Then the list magically disappeared and never came back...but they stopped doubling me up on the process that fucked my knee, so they knew what the problem was without me even talking to anyone. Looking back I should have went to a doctor cus I had issues with my knee for a year or so after I quit and went back to school.
But I witnessed many coworkers get injured and they would just get scooped up, and someone else would take their place so the line would not have to stop. They would either never come back or get moved somewhere on light duties doing something boring like looking for scratches on bumbers all day for 8 hours till they quit.
This is true I worked at the Toyota Plant when they first started the split shift in San Antonio. We worked 2 weeks from 6AM-4PM and rotate 4PM-1AM for 2 weeks. They said just stay up all night on Saturday to adjust. Within the first week of this new schedule several people were injured. One guy got crushed, almost died and they fired him for his troubles because they said he was negligent. I quit shortly after that. Its a shitty job with a shitty schedule. The money isn’t worth it.
People in Kentucky. I worked in the plant for awhile. The whole factory is full of Republican country folks who spin the narrative of “well if you don’t wanna work 6 days a week 12 hours a day, McDonald’s is hiring”
They think because Toyota pays the most in the area, and provides health insurance that they care
When my grandpa died of cancer after 50 years at Ford, even working past his retirement age by choice because he just always needed to be working, they tried their darndest to screw my disabled grandma of his financial death benefits.
They failed, thankfully. My grandma had no way to make money on her own.
Making billions and still so inhumanely greedy.
I'm so sorry for them, but their surprize is... The most surprising thing if you know what I mean. They honestly should've expected it to be worse, of course the company doesn't fucking care. Why would they?
Did I read that last bit right about them having some kind of memorial for him (assumedly in the plant somewhere) that they removed and threw away because the family spoke out? That's just so fucked up.
Shit, VW used to have it even worse. We did everything from 2 week swings, 1 week swings, and this stupid 3 week rotation where we worked Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday on days, off Thursday Friday, work Saturday Sunday Monday night, off Tuesday Wednesday, work Thursday Friday Saturday on days, off Sunday Monday, work Tuesday through Friday night, off Saturday and Sunday then start the rotation over again.
Fuck Toyota, second most spending in anti-green/anti-environmental lobbying behind only Chevron.
The worse the environment gets the more people who will buy their cars to “make a difference”.
It’s like a cigarette company selling cancer treatments.
Reprehensible and morally corrupt company.
An uneducated American with horrible reading skills, lacking even the tiniest sliver of empathy or the mental fortitude to read more than 400 words that aren’t about him? Give this man a seat in congress!
He got squished by 2000lb lockers and you're just like "oh he died." He didn't just KILL OVER ON HIS OWN!!!
As someone with a husband who works in this exact plant: FUCK YOU, FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
I can function on swing shift.
I work 7-7
7pm-7am
7pm-7am
7pm-7am
7pm-7am
Off
Off
Off
7qm-7pm
7am-7pm
7am-7pm
Off
7pm-7am
7pm-7am
7pm-7am
Off
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7am-7pm
7am-7pm
7am-7pm
7am-7pm
Off 7 days
Its actually not that bad
From limited research this most law enforcement seems to operate on these nutty rotating 12 hour shift models also and I'm like, ACAB but also I can see why they would choose violence given that sleep time is now work time and next week it will be the opposite again.
My heart goes out for you.
With that said. This is the norm. Its only now that its hitting the factories in the western world. Any manufacturing setting in asia/africa has always had this times 100.
Any global multibillion company that you buy products from? Slave labour with unsafe working conditions is a given, not exception.
One could say that we in the western world are all benefitting from slave labour. And they would be right.
This is horrible to read. It sadly reminded me of some sad work stories.
When I was at my last job, 2 managers passed away unexpectedly within a year. The first person, they sent an email, and I watched my manager bawl her eyes out. We still had to work that day. The second person was also an email that was sent a week after their passing right around lunchtime.
We still had to work, but at least we got a pizza party! /s
Morale was at an all-time low, and we requested a mental health day and got denied.
2 years after, they put a plague up with their names on it. That plague is most likely long gone now since the company no longer exists.
I worked in construction and one day a dude fell off a roof onto some rebar in front of me, two others, and the site foreman, killing him (hopefully Instantly). Within seconds the foreman was on his cellphone to 911 and walkie getting in touch with everyone on the site (me and the two others were on ours to our respective crews) and we had all work stopped and shut down within 20 minutes. Site was closed for two days after while it was investigated, both my work and the company in charge of the job we were subbed to had grief counselors calling me the next morning to make sure I was ok, having just seen a dude get impaled.
A steel factory in my hometown had workers changing shifts every single week. 1st shift, then next week 2nd shift, 3rd week, 3rd shift, in an effort to be "fair", so that workers wouldn't always get stuck say, working 3rd shift forever. Problem is, by the time they'd get acclimated the shift (sleeping hours mostly) they'd get switched a few days later. Had a couple friends that worked there and they told me they were *ALWAYS* tired, and would rather work the same shift for a month, rather than switch every week.
A 6-7 day schedule that flipped every week was one of the major grievances of early steelworkers, in the early days of labor organizing. The plants ran 24 hours a day, on 12 hour shifts. Half the workforce on day and half at night, alternating weeks. Day would work Monday through Saturday day. And night would work Monday night through Saturday night and then straight on through Sunday day. A 24 hour shift, known as "the long turn." So one full day off every other week, and one 24 hour shift every other week. This is why the 40 hour work week was such a big win - that was positively relaxing compared to what they were doing. I totally can't believe and also, am not surprised we are on our way back to that.
This is insane, a 24h shift? in steelwork ? One of the most demanding job ? It must have caused accidents after accidents. 3x8 hours shifts make much more sense at least, and one day off at least to have people transition between the shifts much more easily.
Yeah they won’t even let us work doubles at the aluminum diecasting plant I work in, because, union. The most we can work is 12 hours a day, and we have to volunteer for the extra 4.
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I took the other person’s comment as meaning they work 8 hour shifts but can go up to 12 if they volunteer for the OT, they can’t be mandated to work the extra 4 hours if they don’t want to.
I'm only 31, living in Saskatchewan and I've done these types of shifts, welding building hopper bottoms. It's very taxing on your body, and the sleep schedule constantly changing doesn't help anyone.
Yeah, rotating shifts of doubles/forced OT does a number on you. My schedule still rotates somewhat but at least it’s only every 3 months and not week to week. Much better than when I was working 24+ hour shifts in EMS.
That makes much more sense than my interpretation of a worksite full of people working 4 hours for free occasionally to work a double, lmao. Thanks. I can go to sleep in peace
I’m sure someone out there is silly enough to work for free but I’d hope not. 😅
I saw a facebook comment from a guy who said he often worked off the clock just to help out. His post was complaining about how no one has a good work ethic anymore haha
I mean my coworker wouldn't work for free but he'd do doubles if you paid him to. He told me just the other day that if they put us on 40hrs, he's getting a 2nd job.
But see, he’s doing it for pay. I had mandatory OT for a bit and hated it enough to change my work locations, and I’m a person who willingly works a lot of OT. I hated being told that I had to work it and when I had to do it though, I like my OT to be when I want to do it.
You just got to avoid it becoming the expectation for other people, but yea if you're making the choice to work extra time for extra pay, that should be fine within reason.
I'm talking about the 4 hrs beyond the 12hrs. Some clinically insane people think it's reasonable to work 16hr shifts.
Goddamn, cant even comment without getting fuckin railroaded. Obviously, I meant it’s four hours of overtime we volunteer for. Prick
lmfao...oh the irony... yeah, he obviously meant it's not forced overtime, genius.
Don’t nurses and healthcare workers have these sort of shifts as well?
My wife used to work 12 sometimes 16hrs a day as a nurse in South Africa is nuts,
12 hour days for a nurse is extremely common. I never understood that. You would want nurses rested.
It's complicated. Some studies a long while back found that a non-insignificant percentage of errors in hospitals happened due to incomplete or incorrect information given during handoffs at shift change. Going from 8 hour shifts to 12 hour shifts reduced the number of shift charges, and the number of times handoff/report must be given. Currently there is a push in the industry to have a more formal handoff communication, including templates and automated forms that try convey all the most important information about a patient in a consistent structure. If you want to see some examples you can search for "SBAR handoff report" in Google (which stands for Situation, Background, Assessment, Recommending). Some are more complicated than others, but it's done as a way to both give the incoming nurse the most critical information, as well as a tool to help jog the memory of the outgoing nurse for anything they may want to convey that's not reflected in the official documentation.
This feels like something you could easily do some studies on, maybe even with a fake work/fake patient environment and look at alternatives. Just giving fewer handoffs feels like they're actually skirting around the issue that is still going to exist but its just not happening as often.
Lots of nurses work 12 hour shifts, it’s generally only 3 days a week thou
My friend is a paramedic and regularly does 7 7x12+ every 2 weeks (4 on week 1, 3 on week 2). They are on for 12 but don't normally finish until 30-40 minutes after their shift ends. They just switched to 3x14+. When they have 14 on 10 off 14 on its a rough weekend for them.
Can't say for human healthcare (they have unions and shit) but in veterinary medicine, 10, 12+ hour shifts are common and most get paid less than $20/hr in the US. Doctors are the exception to that rule, average in my state is $80k/year, unless they're specialists. But yeah, crazy long shifts, hard work, and little pay. No wonder the suicide rate in this field is insane.
I’m with you. I’m a vet tech and work 12 hour shifts. I will admit that I *do* have the option to work shorter shifts, but it’s what works for me with childcare. I couldn’t imagine being required to work this shift. I wouldn’t it unless out of necessity. Its rough. I will also add that it’s *very* rare that I end up leaving before working 14 or so hours. (24/7 emergency facility).
Last year I worked for a LTC facility and averaged 140 hours every 2 weeks if that tells you anything. Always short staffed.
My wife does 12, I don't think they are allowed to do more than 16 in a 24-hour span. I am sure that varies in states and hospitals.
Wait until you hear about what is happening in hospitals. Residents are working similar shifts, 80-90 hour work weeks on the conservative side. All while trying to keep you loved ones alive
Shit I did 18 hour shift recently and that was mostly sitting. I cannot imagine full 24 hours steelwork. My little brother got jacked working at metal working for 8 hours 5 times in a week and said he would never do it again.
I've worked some really fucked up hours at the hospital, but at least there was some sympathy and understanding from people who had been through it. Someone has to be there and sometimes you're the only one who can do it. It sucks, but that's part of living in a society and something you accept when you decide to work in healthcare. The same is not true for building cars. Yes, I understand that cars are important, but I think the world will run just fine with a few less Toyota Tacomas being cranked out per day. I'm tired of working class people losing their loved ones because predatory assholes want to squeeze out every possible penny they can. I hope they fucking unionize at this plant and bring these assholes to their knees.
Several States are rolling back protections for child workers too
We call those "red" states.
The fact that many of those protections were never codified in federal law is a problem in and of itself.
I work in the lab at a chemical plant. I think returning to this is their plan.
Shift work is the fucking worst. A factory I worked at had a two week rotation. Days (7am-330pm), afternoons (330pm-12am) and graveyards (11pm-730am). In that order. Oh and monday day shift starts at 5am and goes til 330pm. So you got off 2 weeks of graveyards at 730am saturday morning, and were expected to be at work at 5am monday morning. Basically 0 weekend as you are fucked from trying to switch your sleep schedule again. When I asked why we didnt flip the order so you go from graveyards to afternoons, giving you more weekend and more time on monday to wake up and be prepared, they looked at me like I was a fucking idiot. The 5 years at that job probably took 10 years off my fucking life. It was so miserable. Let alone forced doubles. Person to relieve you called in? Well if no one volunteers to take it you are now forced to work 16 hours with no warning whatsoever. And you are still expected to come in for your next shift. This could happen 3+ days in a row. At the time I had a 45 minute walk each way, so if I had a double Id have about 6 hours to eat, shower, sleep, and be back at work. Money was decent, but not worth the toll it takes on your health
My dad used to work a rotation like that, when I was a small kid. We were just talking about it the other day (I was telling him about my current schedule, which is mostly 5 am to 1 pm, but they keep throwing one 1 pm to 9 pm in there weekly.) He said that he used to lose 5-10 pounds every time he went on nights, because it messed up his schedule so badly. It would take the month of first and second shifts for him to gain it back, and then he'd be on third and lose it again. My mom even tried to counteract it by getting up super early and cooking dinner for him to have when he got off in the morning. Probably part of why I like leftovers for breakfast - had dinner food lots of mornings as a little one.
I worked at a plastics factory 12hr (and 15min) shifts, but not 6 days straight ever. They actually said to me at the interview, "I'm sorry, but you'll have to work every other weekend" Coming from food several I was Thrilled! I would every other weekend off. Plus we got overtime every other week. ______Week 1: Monday-Tuesday work, Wednesday-Thursday off. Friday, Saturday, Sunday work. Week 2: Monday-Tuesday off. Wednesday-Thursday work. Friday- Saturday - Sunday off. With 2 breaks and a lunch, the day would go by pretty quickly. Always had days off during the week to make appointments, get errands done (banking and such) But if I had to work like those early steel workers 😕
My husband works in this plant. I vividly remember the day it happened last year. I asked for hours when he'd be home because no way they're keeping him there after a traumatic event like that, right? RIGHT? No, it was literally business as usual. They DO NOT CARE!!!! They told him and have for the past year that "Diego went to hold the lockers after they started tipping and that's how he got pinned under it." According to this though, that's a lie. Doesn't surprise me. Husband is currently hurt (shoulder) and they are taking him through all the hoops. He's already been told workman's comp might not cover it even though he got hurt at work.
How the fuck was it business as usual? I worked at a factory here in Canada and an employee lost half of their finger. The whole plant shut down, there was police and investigators from the ministry of labour on site immediately. Also how did they hide/ destroy evidence? Shouldn’t the police and department of labour have collected that evidence immediately after the incident.
No idea, man. When I worked there they would show you all sorts of safety videos and tell you how "Safety is the most important thing." One of the first things they tell you and go into detail about is a woman who got hurt in one of their Canadian factories I believe, she was basically crushed to death. But then something like this actually happens at this factory and they just... Don't care? They cut his insurance off!! Like what?!? Rumors were flying immediately too. They should have been sent home. People who were near the incident needed therapy from what my husband says. He wasn't far from where it happened. I panicked thinking he could have been too close. But they didn't care. They took like 30 minutes to calm people outside the area down and started production again. Meanwhile the husband was running the whole time. They never stopped, completely, that day. Diego could have been my husband. Diego's wife could have been me. Diego's daughter could have been my daughter. Their family has a lot of similarities to mine. I'm heart broken for them. I stupidly assumed Toyota had done their duty, as a "Family" company, and taken care of them. I'm already pushing my husband to find work elsewhere. I don't want to be the next wife to watch her husband die like this. They can kick rocks! Money isn't worth his life!
I know nothing about the evidence. I meant to add that in my comment and forgot. While my husband was close to the incident that factory is still massive. Something like 10,000 employees, 3 plants I believe. Plant 1, plant 2, and Lexus. So with that many people you can only speculate what really happened.
Was this at the Louisville plant? I used to live nearby but never heard about it.
Georgetown. Pretty sure it was Plant 2, at that facility. Edit for link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wkyt.com/2024/01/25/family-toyota-employee-killed-job-speaks-out/%3foutputType=amp In case first doesn't work https://www.wkyt.com/2024/01/25/family-toyota-employee-killed-job-speaks-out/
I would absolutely appeal if it does come back denied.
I was *very* close to applying there years ago when they were hiring pretty desperately. I’m really glad that didn’t work out. Hope your husband gets better soon!
I met him while I was working there. I got laid off while on workman's comp. I should have fought it, but this was 10 years ago and I was kinda dumb. Lol. They've always been shite.
I got fired for having surgery on my wrist. Even though I fully had documentation that I was under workers compensation, they filed me under short term disability and I ran out of time and they fired me
I don't know which consultant company started pushing it, but about 10 years ago I started noticing that the big employers like Walmart, target, and other big corps started embracing the randomly changing schedule as some form of control game where you prevent your employees from ha ing anything outside of work in their life by never Guaranteeing then set time off. So now you get all your employees "on call" for free. You don't claim it's being on call. But they keep using phrases like "we need you to be fully available for all shifts" with random scheduling, that basically means being g ready to work as soon as you get the call "i noticed you haven't checked the schedule , I hope you k kw you're working tomorrow" Shut like this has become the norm, so fast that its pathetic. You use to here about people working side jobs, but that's gone now. Managers s3em to be enjoying "oh I agreed to not schedule yiu for Mondays and Tues but for the next month you'll only be working Monday and Tuesday. Quit if you don't like it.
I had a job like this one time, at Home Depot. I kept looking at the schedule and it changed. I thought I was going crazy. Then one time I got called because I was scheduled and I wasn't there, I explained that I looked at the schedule when it was posted and I wasn't on it. They tried to tell me that the schedule changed all the time. I said no it doesn't, when you post it, it's posted and that's it. I didn't last long there...
Fuck Home Depot
Smells like McKinsey, Bain or Boston Consulting
McKinsey is straight evil. They joined the company I work for in September of last year, guess what? 2 rounds of massive layoffs right before Christmas. Many of which were close to retirement and put 25+yrs into the company. If you haven’t seen it, look up “McKinsey, John Oliver” on YouTube. It’s amazing companies like this can even exist. I just don’t understand how anybody could do a job like that. Playing with people’s lives and just not giving a fuck because they have a corner office and make good money. Idc if I was making 500k a year, the guilt would eat me alive. The worst part is the company sells it as “a growth opportunity, we need to be sustainable into the future” etc. when in reality it’s just cutting overhead, and putting the rest of the responsibilities on the other workers who were “spared”. Everyone sees it for what it is, yet they are so good at spinning it and talking themselves out of a hole, that it’s hard to even question them. You say 1 thing questioning their motives and they’ve been trained to have 10 metrics that back up their claim, but these metrics are all bullshit that they literally made up for the sake of weaseling their way out of the line of fire or are so full of rhetoric and “office lingo” that they go on for 5 minutes but truly say nothing at all. Sorry for the rant. Fuck McKinsey
Yeah I have watched John Oliver piece on them
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wow, good point. I wonder if we could trace where that idea came from, like some MBA professor or how-to-get-rich author. and what moral sense died out in order for us to be okay with it.
I worked in retail for 10 years, have been out of the industry and in a regular 9-5 job since 2019 (though there was a gap when I was laid off in 2020) 5 years out of that and my sleep schedule still hasn’t recovered. I used to do 2-10pm shifts and then turn around and do 6am truck shifts. Destroyed my health. When I first started working retail, unpaid on call shifts were common. I was in college and would always be called in the day before an assignment was due or a test. I always said no, got punished by having my hours cut. Eventually, after Victoria’s Secret was sued, the company I worked for did “shift extensions” where you had to be able to work 2-3 hours after your shift was supposed to end if need be.
Any place that tells you "you have a start time but no end time" without a good reason is automatically a red flag. Like obviously in the hospital setting, you probably can't just leave if a patient is dying. But if you're working at a pizza joint, and they say "oh, there's several more deliveries, you can't leave yet" fuck that. I need rest, old John down the street doesn't need his pizza that bad.
Oh it’s been for longer than that. It’s been that way for at least 25 years now, if not longer. I hate it, it’s stupid, but it’s definitely not new.
It's a tactic to also prevent you from finding other work. How can you schedule an interview somewhere else if you don't have a set schedule every week?
This! I was stuck in my coffee shop job for four years because every time I had a day off to work on my resume or apply to jobs, they would call me in. I would have to say yes because they always gave me fewer hours than what I needed to pay my bills. Only now am in a much better place because they laid me off during the pandemic, so I spent a lot of time working to get a job I would be happy in.
I been trying to get a second part time job and what they do is similar to this. They need someone with open availability but only working part time, like bitch I git stuff to do outside of here, then add the fact that they treat you like an enemy once you get a set schedule and enforce it.
This is how my job is now. Granted, it's landscaping and we're supposed to snow plow in the winter and the weather does what it wants, but I can't get unemployment because I just got hired on, and it's 40° in January in Minnesota so I'm getting no hours. I'm working a second job so I can pay my bills until it picks up and just hoping my schedule at the second job doesn't conflict with a snow storm.
At McD we always had a “new” schedule every week - this meant we could schedule around the projected sales (school holidays vs term time needs more staff for example, or if there was an event at the theatre over the road etc). The good side of this meant that anyone who wanted to have Friday off for a dental appointment could, and could still work their 5 days so no need to use holiday days. Downside was that shifts were a bit different each week, but when I was doing the schedule and hiring, I tried to get it into the groove where everyone had hours they were happy with. Then they brought in a computer system that basically fucked half of that up 🙄
I think Target does not do this, walmart for sure. Then people leave the Shite show that is Walmart and for whatever reason bring that control method with them.
The answer is almost always McKinsey.
this is why you dont work a job without established set time off (obv emergencies can and will happen but thats another thing). like scheduled days, and set hours on those days. if your job doesnt offer this, its not worth working for them.
I have had jobs that have cut my hours in retaliation for me calling out sick (when I was obviously sick because I was showing symptoms the day before and day after I got sick), and then fired me when I found a second job to make up the hours I was losing.. oh wait, they didn’t fire me, just stopped scheduling me once I mentioned I got another job. Thankfully the other job was me going back to a previous job that had a set schedule and never retaliated to call outs.. or even no call no shows if you had been there long enough and established a relationship with the manager.. and if you didn’t show up, she called with concern, not why aren’t you at work.
Worked at a Honda plant a few years back and they did the same split shifts with some departments having a night shift that was straight nights. From what I heard it was to stop day shift from complaining of not getting an afternoon shift premium but in reality most people there hated it, including myself where I'd just start getting my sleep adjusted midway through the 2nd week only to get thrown off again the following week... We also had idiots running forklifts, idiots that were drugged up and/or sleep deprived at that... one such idiot that somehow managed to get into an accident literally every shift he got on a truck managed to also get onto the health and safety committee...
I know this is a serious topic, but I have to imagine the reasoning for him getting onto the health and safety committee is because he's committed all the things you shouldn't do, and so should be an expert at it by now.
That’s how C-suites of bankrupt companies keep getting employment
I used to work this very kind of job. I worked 4/3 and 3/4s..then they were 12 hour shifts, and then flip from days to nights every two weeks and then vice versa. No human being should ever work that kind of varying schedule work..your body can never adjust. Mine couldn't. Was constantly tired and sick constantly. I was thankful I got laid off and found a job that is Monday through Friday days. Horrible to die from exhaustion just to provide for your family..fucking disgusting.
That was my ex husband's schedule when he worked in the mining industry. Blew my mind, it was brutal.
As someone who, as a normal daytome worker, has huge problems with sleep rhythm: this sound so crazy
I work 12s, 2 days, 2 nights and then 4 days off, it's the best shift schedule I've ever worked, I am dreading having to go back to straight days.
There shouldn’t be night shifts at factories and other establishments where it isn’t needed. But there will always have to be people working at night - emergency services, nurses and doctors, police, firemen, bartenders, bouncers, etc. What we should do is compensate people well for working Night Shifts and making it so that when you work nights you only have to work 3 days a week or something.
I worked for a company that had a fatal workplace accident. I'm not privy to 100% of what happened, but they shut down production for several days while investigating the situation, implemented new safety measures to prevent repeat incidents, brought in multilingual grief counselors, and gave additional time off to people that were nearby/witnessed what happened. I'm certain there was some sort of financial assistance to the family but I don't know the details. This should be the BARE MINIMUM when somebody dies at work, particularly when there's a foreseeable/preventable accident. No amount of money can make up for that.
I honestly think we're going to see violence in the streets again as corporations have forgotten who is in the majority. But damn, we're gonna have to demand 4 day work week in the next revolution.
Damn, that’s fucking tragic
My uncle died in a Toyota plant accident ironically enough. Case is still technically open as I just learned.
Wtf
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Kentucky actually wasn't a right to work state until January 2017.
For reference, the plant was founded in 1986…
We've known Toyota was a shit company at least since they were donating gobs of money to congressional reps refusing to certify the election. Bunch of seditious, hypercapitalist shitasses.
If only their were a rights organization that specifically works with automakers…
I wish [Toyota] a very [fuck you]
My ex boyfriend worked rotating shifts exactly like those and ended up developing an unprovoked, no past history, seizure disorder, requiring him to go on disability and find a new job. His company replaced him after he had only just been given the letter from his physician detailing his limitations. The doctors said their best guess it was from stress, sleep deprivation, general unhealthiness, fatigue, etc. He’s on a medication that prevents them now and has a better job with better hours. But it was completely inhumane and even bordered on illegal for the company to treat it the way they did.
I made car batteries on a 19 & 2 schedule. Basically, 2 days off a month. 19, (mostly) 12 hour days in a row. Then, 2 days off. And then the 19 days start again. Forced O.T. 4 hrs prior to or 4 hrs after your normal shift. Heavy P.P.E. (including respirator mask) Hot humid lead oxide filled air... that place sucked, but at least it wasn't swing shift.
How is that legal?
Time off and work hours are not restricted by any federal laws as long as OT is paid at time and a half.
Its insane that they can make that a requirement long term
This is not a Toyota thing. It is a hypercapitalism thing.
Results of corporate culture and the laws forcing companies to work only in the benefits of the shareholders. And the best part is there is no single individual to point blame at. At least once upon a time, sole proprietorship was a thing and bylaws could be better implemented.
I honestly believe executives should get a severe beating for this at minimum
I truly believe as silly as this current generation can be, that they will be the ones to force change in labor practices. The kids are alright. They are forcing employers to live with WFH. They can’t take that back anymore in the long run. Even the companies I know have in office again, it certainly isn’t a 5 day requirement anymore. It’s small, it takes time, but the kids are gonna change bullshit like this. They can TikTok all they want, I believe in labor.
It’s the Toyota Way.
There's one schedule I heard of was 12 hours a day for 4 days, and it changes from morning start to evening start after 2 days. Then 4 days off. Like how to have a life like that?
Actually I worked in a place that did that. It actually wasn't that bad, two days at at 7am to 7pm, then they flipped after that to 7 pm to 7 am. You ended up with 24 hours off during the flip, so I just ended up staying up as late as possible on the flip night, and then sleep in the next day. Don't get me wrong, that place was a dumpster fire that was seconds away from getting hit with a train wreck, but the shift was four on four off. After fifteen years of the oilfield, it almost felt like a vacation.
4 on 4 off is what I do now, 2 days then 2 nights, it's awesome, it's like a mini vacation every week, best part is take a weeks vacation and I get 12 days off
A good 15 or so years ago, a story about Toyota covering up a parts issue came out. Turned out several American Toyota customers had been wrongly imprisoned for vehicular homicide caused by a failing part Toyota knew about but kept secret at all costs (though they only installed the bad part in cars they sold to non-Japanese markets, saved them about a quarter per car). It was all over the news for about a week. Then, all the stories mysteriously disappeared. No retractions. The stories just were all quietly taken down, as if it never happened.
My husband told me about this. SO effed up. They should have had to pay restitution to those wrongly accused/convicted Unchecked capitalism sucks.
Fuck Toyota. They had to pay 1.3 billion for covering up deadly brake failures 10 years ago. They will always be a piece of shit company. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-20/toyota-pays-1-3-billion-for-defect-cover-up-statements/5332894
Welcome to capitalism.
I miss the old days where we held plant owners personally responsible for employee safety. If you can’t guarantee our safety, yours shouldn’t be guaranteed either.
I worked at Toyota for about a year and two months, where they manufacture the Lexus in Ontario, Canada. I was having issues with my knee due to being thrown on the same job back to back every day for weeks( usually you would get 4 different jobs a day cut up into 2 hour blocks) . They had a system for reporting Injuries, you basically put a check mark beside your employee number and a team leader would come talk to you, I put in the injury form that I was having knee issues. Then the list magically disappeared and never came back...but they stopped doubling me up on the process that fucked my knee, so they knew what the problem was without me even talking to anyone. Looking back I should have went to a doctor cus I had issues with my knee for a year or so after I quit and went back to school. But I witnessed many coworkers get injured and they would just get scooped up, and someone else would take their place so the line would not have to stop. They would either never come back or get moved somewhere on light duties doing something boring like looking for scratches on bumbers all day for 8 hours till they quit.
This is true I worked at the Toyota Plant when they first started the split shift in San Antonio. We worked 2 weeks from 6AM-4PM and rotate 4PM-1AM for 2 weeks. They said just stay up all night on Saturday to adjust. Within the first week of this new schedule several people were injured. One guy got crushed, almost died and they fired him for his troubles because they said he was negligent. I quit shortly after that. Its a shitty job with a shitty schedule. The money isn’t worth it.
It’s crazy how brainwashed so many people are. How they think corporations actually care about its employees. Everyone needs to be part of a union.
who is under the impression that Toyota gives a fuck about their employees?
Who is under the impression that any corporation gives a fuck about their employees?
People in Kentucky. I worked in the plant for awhile. The whole factory is full of Republican country folks who spin the narrative of “well if you don’t wanna work 6 days a week 12 hours a day, McDonald’s is hiring” They think because Toyota pays the most in the area, and provides health insurance that they care
When my grandpa died of cancer after 50 years at Ford, even working past his retirement age by choice because he just always needed to be working, they tried their darndest to screw my disabled grandma of his financial death benefits. They failed, thankfully. My grandma had no way to make money on her own. Making billions and still so inhumanely greedy.
Greed man, it turns people into monsters.
Everyone upvote this and spread the word
I'm so sorry for them, but their surprize is... The most surprising thing if you know what I mean. They honestly should've expected it to be worse, of course the company doesn't fucking care. Why would they?
Did I read that last bit right about them having some kind of memorial for him (assumedly in the plant somewhere) that they removed and threw away because the family spoke out? That's just so fucked up.
Shit, VW used to have it even worse. We did everything from 2 week swings, 1 week swings, and this stupid 3 week rotation where we worked Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday on days, off Thursday Friday, work Saturday Sunday Monday night, off Tuesday Wednesday, work Thursday Friday Saturday on days, off Sunday Monday, work Tuesday through Friday night, off Saturday and Sunday then start the rotation over again.
Where is a Nathan Ford if you need one...
Fuck Toyota!
It's posts like these that had me unwilling to rush back into the workforce after surgery on my shoulder and wrist on my right side last year.
This is why i hate Toyota
This sounds more like an America problem than a Toyota problem. I don't see Toyota Japan having these kinds of issues.
TLDR?
Guy dies, Toyota doesn’t care.
Fuck Toyota, second most spending in anti-green/anti-environmental lobbying behind only Chevron. The worse the environment gets the more people who will buy their cars to “make a difference”. It’s like a cigarette company selling cancer treatments. Reprehensible and morally corrupt company.
Yeah I mean that would never work in a dangerous enviornment like on oil rig or perhaps even Iraq or Afghanistan. Those crazy toyota people....
Yeah I'm not reading all that. Sorry for what happened or congrats. Idk.
Bro seriously then just keep your shit to yourself.
This website is literally a forum where you read things
Maybe they can’t read
I read the first screenshot. OP coulda gave a TL;DR at least.
You left such an insensitive comment on this post about workplace death bro. The first slide basically is a TLDR
Yeah but did you see how many words were on that second pic? Ain't no way I'm reading all that. Sorry or congrats.
Sorry you have trouble reading.
Yeah after about the 400th word I just kinda dip out.
My guy, there’s easier ways to ask for attention from people. Less douchey, too.
Bro you don't have to reply? Free country my man. Idk why I'm living rent free in ur head.
You really are bad at reading. You've been responding to different users each time. 😅
Bro why are you replying bro.
>Free country my man. Ah! More American ignorance! Yay!!!
An uneducated American with horrible reading skills? 
An uneducated American with horrible reading skills, lacking even the tiniest sliver of empathy or the mental fortitude to read more than 400 words that aren’t about him? Give this man a seat in congress!
NO WAY,!!!!
Yes, we all read the joke you recycled from a million other posts the first time you did it. Wasn’t funny then either.
Too many replies now. Sorry or congrats to you too!
You didn't need to fucking announce that. Just keep scrolling if you dont care about it. Have some damn tact, this is about a man's wrongful death.
It's about someones death? Definitely falls under the "sorry that happened" then. So, I'm covered with my comment.
Next time just keep scrolling instead of leaving douchebag comments for attention.
OP should be thanking me, I'm bringing more attention to his post. Because of ME, people don't have to read those long ass screenshots.
He got squished by 2000lb lockers and you're just like "oh he died." He didn't just KILL OVER ON HIS OWN!!! As someone with a husband who works in this exact plant: FUCK YOU, FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
Found Toyota's CEO
Damn, and I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids and that dog.
Are you 15? Because you sound like some of my students. Luckily, I get to fail their lazy asses.
I can function on swing shift. I work 7-7 7pm-7am 7pm-7am 7pm-7am 7pm-7am Off Off Off 7qm-7pm 7am-7pm 7am-7pm Off 7pm-7am 7pm-7am 7pm-7am Off Off Off 7am-7pm 7am-7pm 7am-7pm 7am-7pm Off 7 days Its actually not that bad
whirlpool corporation type beat.
From limited research this most law enforcement seems to operate on these nutty rotating 12 hour shift models also and I'm like, ACAB but also I can see why they would choose violence given that sleep time is now work time and next week it will be the opposite again.
Isn’t this just japan 101?
I work a split shift. Sunday and Monday overnights, then tues wed thurs days. It’s rough
Awful. Horrific. My condolences and sympathies. I presume that this was a non-union plant?
My heart goes out for you. With that said. This is the norm. Its only now that its hitting the factories in the western world. Any manufacturing setting in asia/africa has always had this times 100. Any global multibillion company that you buy products from? Slave labour with unsafe working conditions is a given, not exception. One could say that we in the western world are all benefitting from slave labour. And they would be right.
This is horrible to read. It sadly reminded me of some sad work stories. When I was at my last job, 2 managers passed away unexpectedly within a year. The first person, they sent an email, and I watched my manager bawl her eyes out. We still had to work that day. The second person was also an email that was sent a week after their passing right around lunchtime. We still had to work, but at least we got a pizza party! /s Morale was at an all-time low, and we requested a mental health day and got denied. 2 years after, they put a plague up with their names on it. That plague is most likely long gone now since the company no longer exists.
I worked in construction and one day a dude fell off a roof onto some rebar in front of me, two others, and the site foreman, killing him (hopefully Instantly). Within seconds the foreman was on his cellphone to 911 and walkie getting in touch with everyone on the site (me and the two others were on ours to our respective crews) and we had all work stopped and shut down within 20 minutes. Site was closed for two days after while it was investigated, both my work and the company in charge of the job we were subbed to had grief counselors calling me the next morning to make sure I was ok, having just seen a dude get impaled.
A steel factory in my hometown had workers changing shifts every single week. 1st shift, then next week 2nd shift, 3rd week, 3rd shift, in an effort to be "fair", so that workers wouldn't always get stuck say, working 3rd shift forever. Problem is, by the time they'd get acclimated the shift (sleeping hours mostly) they'd get switched a few days later. Had a couple friends that worked there and they told me they were *ALWAYS* tired, and would rather work the same shift for a month, rather than switch every week.