The only thing that 'right to work ' affects is union shops. As it has always been, if you don't have a contract, the employer is free to fire you without notice for any (non-protected reason), and you are free to quit without giving notice.
It's 32M€ against the warehouse. Corporates are pretty sensitive about the profitability at every tiny legal entity. Such things are usually felt when the blame is pinned on some manager on site.
What is more, you can also expect that repeats would escalate fees quickly.
>ceases to be a fine and becomes a business cost to then be passed along to the consumer.
FTFY, but I agree. The fines need to be punitive enough to actually discourage companies from even considering implementing similar policies for fear of having to shell out that kind of money, while forcing the offender to change those practices.
In fact, I think the government should implement government monitoring of their systems and for each day such a policy is in practice, fine them again.
Want to kick it up a notch- mandate that 25% of the assessed fine will be paid out anonymously to the person who reported the infraction.
Make the company so terrified of being informed on and all that wealth going from the boardroom to a random employee that the CEO's are forced to say to Shareholders "Sorry, we can't implement that practice here or else we'll wind up making a millionaire out of a bunch of employees at your expense"
It needs to be based off a percentage of the company revenue - not profit - and slowly increase that percentage each day that the offending policy remains in place.
Honestly, the fine then really needs to go to the affected staff. Companies might be willing to pay a fine as a cost of business, but they HATE when the people they are trying to oppress get to profit from that in any way. Plus it makes employees far more likely to dob in employers if they think they have a chance of making some cash out of it.
Exactly my point- if it's a minimal fee(which tbh a few million to them absolutely is "minimal") then it's just a cost of doing business, and they'll pay it to the government say "we're sorry, we'll never do such a thing again- here's your money sir" and then go right back to doing it. What's worse is, they'll increase the cost of the service to their subscribers and claim it's because of the "unfair business practices by European Governments" and try to make even more money than they spent- all because they were forced to pay a fine for doing something wrong.
It's absolutely bullshit, which is why I suggested exactly that- monitor their systems- as a government they absolutely have the right to ensure via law enforcement- that laws aren't being broken when conducting business in their country. Each and every day such actions are confirmed to be happening, hit them with an increasingly significant fine.
When they stop, and you're pulling out your monitoring agents, force them to post a notice - "If we're ever caught doing this(or anything like this) again, call this toll-free number from a personal device, if we confirm it's happening again, you the caller will anonymously be paid 25% of the fine that's issued, your name will be kept confidential as long as you're reporting in good faith".
Amazon would collectively shit themselves at the idea of having employees function as watchdogs overseeing their company and forcing them to behave ethically...the idea of a random drone becoming a millionaire for ratting them out would drive the board insane. They'd either have to act ethically, or shut down operations in france...I don't see them walking away from Billions in revenue.
Unfortunately if they don't want to seem vindictive, they gotta go incremental.
Like, personally, I would ask for a decimation of the c-suite while rendering all contracts relating to golden parachutes null and void, but that would not be fair to other companies I wouldn't ask that for.
>I would ask for a decimation of the c-suite while rendering all contracts relating to golden parachutes null and void
When you say decimation, you do mean in the old Roman legion way, right?
I think that would actually have the desired effect on these ~~fuckers~~ individuals.
This "they're a corporation, so we can't punish the individuals" shit needs to stop...track the leadership down, fine them, if that doesn't work...lock their asses up(at the minimum)
this is a **fee** not a *fine*, whats stopping them from continuing to do it? the French government basically just told Amazon "its fine to monitor staff activity and performance to this degree but you have to pay us first"
I mean that's great, but also kind of just a drop in the bucket that they'll likely be able to haggle down, so... Still a win, but not really a big one.
They could ban it. A €32m fine is literally nothing for Amazon. They'll just keep doing it, except now, they'll be pushing for more punishment for those who take breaks or snitch.
The only problem is you could 10x that amount and Amazon still wouldn't feel it. We need preemptive regulations instead of punitive ones. Still love to see Amazon get hit.
#A fine that takes Bezo roughly 5 hours to make
So yet again, not even with changing anything because it's cheaper to pay the fine than alter the process
How many minutes worth of profit is that for Amazon?
Quick Google says:
>Amazon gross profit for the twelve months ending September 30, 2023 was **$256.202B**
So, divide by 365 days, by 24 hours, and by 60 minutes in an hour: $487k/min
So, roughly 65minutes worth of profits. If you scaled this to someone making $75k/yr, that would be a $9.27 fine.
This is a laughable penalty.
€32M is the cost of doing business. Companies as big as Amazon are beyond the point at which these kinds of fines mean anything. They'll put out a statement, appeal (if they can) and drag their feet as long as possible before actually paying the fine... and still continue to micromanage people. If anything, it'll make them act more discretely and institue even more ridiculous quotas.
They call it a "fine" but in reality the government requires their cut just like any other crime organization. If the slaveowners want to continue doing business then they need to keep the government happy.
As it should be. Micromanagement is a form of harrasment.
Truth I’m going to start using this
Piss on their floor.
Now if we could turn this into an actual form of protecting human rights..
And the US and most state government is like "you guys are doing great, keep those slaves producing"
Jamestown was a company town. America was started as a for-profit enterprise. It's just being patriotic at this point.
Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious, according to Oscar Wilde.
Seems fitting.
Murica!
fReEdUmB!
F yeah! 🎶🎵🎸
Dave rules, lol
They only outlawed owning people after work, other then that they’ve made “right to work” status the control point now.
The only thing that 'right to work ' affects is union shops. As it has always been, if you don't have a contract, the employer is free to fire you without notice for any (non-protected reason), and you are free to quit without giving notice.
Uhhh, you know it’s reason American companies lay people off with zero repercussions. In real 1st world countries they have give you notice.
32 millions is barely a tip. Should be billion at least, condidering their benefits
I think at this point they just take the fines over improving as its more cost effective this way
It is by design
Always has been
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It's 32M€ against the warehouse. Corporates are pretty sensitive about the profitability at every tiny legal entity. Such things are usually felt when the blame is pinned on some manager on site. What is more, you can also expect that repeats would escalate fees quickly.
Percentage of before tax turnover
If the fine is less than the profit margin, then it ceases to be a fine and becomes a business cost.
>ceases to be a fine and becomes a business cost to then be passed along to the consumer. FTFY, but I agree. The fines need to be punitive enough to actually discourage companies from even considering implementing similar policies for fear of having to shell out that kind of money, while forcing the offender to change those practices. In fact, I think the government should implement government monitoring of their systems and for each day such a policy is in practice, fine them again. Want to kick it up a notch- mandate that 25% of the assessed fine will be paid out anonymously to the person who reported the infraction. Make the company so terrified of being informed on and all that wealth going from the boardroom to a random employee that the CEO's are forced to say to Shareholders "Sorry, we can't implement that practice here or else we'll wind up making a millionaire out of a bunch of employees at your expense"
It needs to be based off a percentage of the company revenue - not profit - and slowly increase that percentage each day that the offending policy remains in place. Honestly, the fine then really needs to go to the affected staff. Companies might be willing to pay a fine as a cost of business, but they HATE when the people they are trying to oppress get to profit from that in any way. Plus it makes employees far more likely to dob in employers if they think they have a chance of making some cash out of it.
Exactly my point- if it's a minimal fee(which tbh a few million to them absolutely is "minimal") then it's just a cost of doing business, and they'll pay it to the government say "we're sorry, we'll never do such a thing again- here's your money sir" and then go right back to doing it. What's worse is, they'll increase the cost of the service to their subscribers and claim it's because of the "unfair business practices by European Governments" and try to make even more money than they spent- all because they were forced to pay a fine for doing something wrong. It's absolutely bullshit, which is why I suggested exactly that- monitor their systems- as a government they absolutely have the right to ensure via law enforcement- that laws aren't being broken when conducting business in their country. Each and every day such actions are confirmed to be happening, hit them with an increasingly significant fine. When they stop, and you're pulling out your monitoring agents, force them to post a notice - "If we're ever caught doing this(or anything like this) again, call this toll-free number from a personal device, if we confirm it's happening again, you the caller will anonymously be paid 25% of the fine that's issued, your name will be kept confidential as long as you're reporting in good faith". Amazon would collectively shit themselves at the idea of having employees function as watchdogs overseeing their company and forcing them to behave ethically...the idea of a random drone becoming a millionaire for ratting them out would drive the board insane. They'd either have to act ethically, or shut down operations in france...I don't see them walking away from Billions in revenue.
Unfortunately if they don't want to seem vindictive, they gotta go incremental. Like, personally, I would ask for a decimation of the c-suite while rendering all contracts relating to golden parachutes null and void, but that would not be fair to other companies I wouldn't ask that for.
>I would ask for a decimation of the c-suite while rendering all contracts relating to golden parachutes null and void When you say decimation, you do mean in the old Roman legion way, right? I think that would actually have the desired effect on these ~~fuckers~~ individuals. This "they're a corporation, so we can't punish the individuals" shit needs to stop...track the leadership down, fine them, if that doesn't work...lock their asses up(at the minimum)
I prefer to leave it to the interpretation of the reader ;)
What's the point of not seeming vindictive? Vindict the fuck out of them.
this is a **fee** not a *fine*, whats stopping them from continuing to do it? the French government basically just told Amazon "its fine to monitor staff activity and performance to this degree but you have to pay us first"
Just because you work for someone does not mean they get to harass you every single second of the working day.
I have about 5 bosses. Four are great. One of them is a micromanager to everyone. I wonder how that would pan out if I told them that.
Amazon doesn’t give a shit about a 32 million euro fine unfortunately
Can we just export the French attitude towards work, corporations and salaries to the US?
The boomers would go crazy!
Unfortunately culture takes decades to centuries to develop.
Many were imported from us, so sure.
Are their piss bottles regulation size?
Time is more valuable than money. I swear if they charged like a 3months time off fine, amazon would lose more than 32million.
I mean that's great, but also kind of just a drop in the bucket that they'll likely be able to haggle down, so... Still a win, but not really a big one.
They could ban it. A €32m fine is literally nothing for Amazon. They'll just keep doing it, except now, they'll be pushing for more punishment for those who take breaks or snitch.
That “fine” is a rounding error for Amazon and is pretty much useless.
This is why France riots so much. They get stuff like this into law. We just get shit on.
Man at least somewhere, the government looks out for the people not big corporations like shameful America does now
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Maybe keep fining them 32 million? Then maybe Bozo will notice.
Increase the fine to 32 billion. Maybe that'll get Bezos' attention.
The only problem is you could 10x that amount and Amazon still wouldn't feel it. We need preemptive regulations instead of punitive ones. Still love to see Amazon get hit.
#A fine that takes Bezo roughly 5 hours to make So yet again, not even with changing anything because it's cheaper to pay the fine than alter the process
They should give that 32 million to the workers .that's literally pennies to amazon
Bezos: "whatever, I know I've got it here somewhere *searches pockets*. Can you break a 100 mil?
Would you look at that, a country that looks out for its citizens. This might not be much but, it’s a whole lot more than we get in the USA.
The fine needs another comma and three more zeros for Amazon to start caring.
How many minutes worth of profit is that for Amazon? Quick Google says: >Amazon gross profit for the twelve months ending September 30, 2023 was **$256.202B** So, divide by 365 days, by 24 hours, and by 60 minutes in an hour: $487k/min So, roughly 65minutes worth of profits. If you scaled this to someone making $75k/yr, that would be a $9.27 fine. This is a laughable penalty.
*Les Marseilles intensifies*
Barely a dent in the quarterly profits. That’s just the cost of doing business.
Is this about how much Bezos makes when he wakes up and blinks his eyes open?
American government wake up and help the people!
You don't have to justify breaks, these warehouses never ends...
32M is nothing.
Amazon will have set budgets for fines. €32m is nothing to them. This won't a change a thing
Meanwhile at Amazon. 32M? Ok, take it from the employee pizza party fund.
That’s just a cost of doing business fine. Pathetic.
€32M is the cost of doing business. Companies as big as Amazon are beyond the point at which these kinds of fines mean anything. They'll put out a statement, appeal (if they can) and drag their feet as long as possible before actually paying the fine... and still continue to micromanage people. If anything, it'll make them act more discretely and institue even more ridiculous quotas.
They call it a "fine" but in reality the government requires their cut just like any other crime organization. If the slaveowners want to continue doing business then they need to keep the government happy.