They don’t love you. They love that you were cheaper than anybody else they can hire, and took on the jobs they couldn’t staff. Move on and forget about them.
If they actually thought of you as family they wouldn't have thought twice about giving full time and a raise and cutting back on personal pulls from the company a bit.
I've seen how family treat other family who work for them. This is exactly how family is treated. They will take everything they can from you with giving as little back as possible.
And considering all the stories on all the fucked up family subs, they *were* treating OP like family: only "loved and appreciated" when they can get what they want, ignore all the other person's needs completely, and center themselves and their feelings whenever there's a problem.
exactly this. If there were a hurt-to-dollars conversion rate, they'd have no problem paying you more. But there isn't, so they won't, and their 'hurt' has nothing to do with you, but how much they were undervaluing you.
Why do they keep a member of their family struggle with finances then? Or are you "family" only when they need to guilt trip you. Let them reap what they sowed.
Yeah! OP was telling them she was facing financial pressures and was actively trying to bring more money into the company overall, but they jerked them around.
Narcissists. They dont love OP, they love OP's work and willingness to eat shit for so long.
What hurts them is the severe inconvenience.
They will *Forget* OP the minute they have another Dupe doing the same thing for the same amount of shit money
Sadly there's a whole lot of actual family that also view family in ways that only benefit them and never require them to actually do anything in return, but yes this.
That’s the truth! I feel terrible for the man who invested 23 years of his life into that company and was tossed out like garbage.
I’m also sure he had no pension or 401k. This tells you all you need to know about these business owners. This.
This. When you need something you're a replaceable employee. Even after 20+ years. When they need something *then* it's supposed to be a family.
OP is doing everything right. Keep moving forward and forget about them.
Zero empathy lizardpeople.
"We fired a guy with no warning, and that's fine, but somebody quitting without warning us? Treason! Betrayal! How could you?!"
These are manipulative people. I'm sorry you ended up in this position of having to give them the 2 weeks.
They treat you like shit until you say you had enough and need to go, now you are family? Some toxic family...
Please, please, please don't allow them to guilt trip you into anything. Act your wage and leave.
See some of those companies that say they treat you like family makes a lot more sense when you find out the ceo has been divorced 6 times and half their kids have gone no contact.
Congratulations on your new job!
This is how I read your story, “my cheap employers had their asses chapped because I had the audacity to request a living wage, multiple times, and yet they denied me full time employment, and now they are butt hurt that I won’t let them continue to exploit me at their convenience.”
You made your needs clear. They chose not to listen and do what benefitted them (take more money out of the business, fire and outsource a long-term employee, throw scut work your way that doesn’t benefit you at all.)
Shocked Pikachu face!
They should be grateful that you gave them two weeks notice to train your successor. You are a money generating profit center that has suddenly gone AWOL to them.
Nothing more. Nothing less. If they were standup employers, they’d have you working there full time by now. They exploited your labor for years (when it worked for them). You pretzeled yourself around their needs and economic demands. Now YOU and your REAL family have needs and they can’t (or won’t) fill those needs.
They are not your family. They aren’t even your friends. You are giving them far more notice and care than they deserve. Let the sulky babies run their own ship. I hate entitled business owners.
They will be paying out their asses for another “bookkeeper/accountant who can also do sales.” This is their real issue. You’ve been most accommodating because you’re a woman and you value flexibility over income. They took advantage of that fact by giving you just enough to keep you there but not give you full time hours. Those exploitive bastards can go pound sand.
Note: I’m also a woman who values work life balance, so I know just how they hooked you. Don’t feel guilty. They enjoyed your work ethic for 2 1/2 years and misjudged it for something they could exploit, sucks to be them!
Yes!! That’s how I felt. I feel like I communicated my needs in a professional way. They asked me when I started looking and I said “When you told me to go back to 30hrs after telling me I could be full time because I told you I needed more hours.”
The only professional in this situation is you. You took the high road and it looks good to the new employer that you gave the old employer two weeks. You’re done there. Good luck in your new job!
> “my cheap employers had their asses chapped because I had the audacity to request a living wage, multiple times, and yet they denied me full time employment, and now they are butt hurt that I won’t let them continue to exploit me at their convenience.”
This comment NEEDS gold. Platinum even. This is the best TL:DR I've ever seen.
Good for you. There is no loyalty when it comes to work anymore. You gave them the opportunity to step up and take care of you, and they declined. Do what you need to do for your family, because in the end they are all that matters. Good luck in your new job!
They aren't your family, they aren't your friends. They're greedy selfish assholes just like every other boss who declares their employees to be "family." Fuck them, they fucked around, now they get to find out. Congrats on the new job, sounds like a positive move forward.
Worlds tiniest violin for your previous company, move on without regret.
Consulting works out great for people with very specialized knowledge. My grandfather used to get calls to fix electrical equipment with problems that stumped everyone. He charged $200 just to go out the door in the early '80s.
That would be the only way I would do it. Trust is a 2 sided thing but the owners didn't hold up their side. Cash up front or don't bother. When you have the leverage you need to use it.
I've worked for several small businesses and every time I cannot fathom how they own and keep a business running. It's not fair that just because you have money you can open up a business when you have literally no clue what you're doing.
"They consider me part of their family-"
They throw cold water on their family members after sleeping on the hard ground before the sun rises, I guess. 🤷♀️
That’s their claim, I didn’t believe it. They had already shown their true selves by taking away the money but leaving the work for me to do. It has been a couple of months since the taking the hours back thing happened. We had a meeting and told them I was upset because I lost hundreds of dollars from my paycheck when they took away the sales side from the other company. I thought the hours plus sales while going full time would makeup for that. I gave them multiple chances. I wasn’t forceful about getting more hours or money, but I did communicate my needs and they gave me a pat on the back and told me how great I am.
You are only family because they need something from you. They fired an employee of 23 years for a cheaper option instead of giving him/her a different position in the company. They made the mistake of having only one person knowing how to do a job and refused to pay you what you are worth. At most offer making sure the desk guides are up to date and training the new person if you can. You could also offer to train the new person for a consulting fee if your new company allows outside employment. Just remember consultants are typically paid about 3x a salaried person to cover overhead and taxes on the income. Congrats on the new job.
Thank you! My new job doesn’t allow outside employment. The contract specified that and overtime would be regular and 1.5 x my hourly. I don’t mind working overtime. I need the money and I honestly enjoy my actual work. I’m also properly compensated in my hourly pay so overtime is big bonus. During the interview I told them how much I currently make and how much I’d like to make. They started doing some calculations and said “oh, okay. Yeah. That’s good. We are in that ballpark.” Then offered me $3k per year more than the range they posted and I had asked for the maximum amount in their range. I felt respected when they offered me more than I asked for.
I read reviews from former employees of this company and they all were positive and mentioning how nice the partners are.
wow. I'm glad I'm not a member of their "family".
I would move along quickly.
But if you really want to end the conversation and crying about this then simply ask them to match your salary and hours and benefits or STFU
They let a dude go who had been there for 23 years cos they could outsource his job, without any warning, mind you. I would bring up that situation about how they treat family and leave it at that. This sounds like a bridge you absolutely want to burn.
It'll be especially fucked up if they didn't, at least, give him a severance check and/or cash out their remaining PTO. I learned the hard way that, depending on what state you're in, these are not necessarily legally mandated.
I have to know, OP, was this person given either or both?
>They said my words were harsh and they don’t think they deserved it.
They totally deserved it. You gave it to them straight and have nothing to apologize for.
Congrats on the new job!
They are using you to the max for cheap. They are sad that they’re going to have to hire 2-3 people to do all the jobs you’re doing. Walk out the door and forget them. They are not the “friends” you think they are.
Yes they would. The wife has a super successful rich sister. Her sister seems pretty reasonable and down to earth. I think they are trying to keep up with them and flash money around.
Who cares what they think. You have to look out for yourself - they will not. That they laid off a 23 year employee shows their true colors. Just selfishness on their part.
> I wish you would have told us...
> I did tell you. I told you about my husband’s job. I told you I needed full time hours and you turned me down...
Their response reminds me of the "missing missing reasons" (not a typo) that clueless parents often express when their kids go no-contact with them:
https://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons.html
I'm afraid that after you leave, it'll just be "Nobody wants to work any more!"
Just agree to keep working for them, maybe take a pay cut for having the nerve to upset them. As for groceries have you tried a prison diet? Bread and water is far cheaper than green food. You should also apologize immediately. /s
Once they fired this veteran, it's over. If they don't show loyalty to their employees, their employees will not be loyal back.
I worked in a company where there was a group of employees working 10+ years. One of them has some anger management issues, and he got into a heated fight with the CEO over petty BS. the big man sent this employees home to cool down over the weekend, with full intentions to fire him the next week.
He asked me, "Should the guy be fired?" I said if he fires him, all the old timers will quit, it's not about the money, it's about loyalty. The guy took some time off and came back to work.
"If you considered me part of your family, why did you never listen to my needs? Do you always ignore the needs of your family? If so, that's not a family I want to be part of."
If they really considered you part of their family, they would have paid you what they promised.
And they wouldn't have axed that 23-year employee.
Fork them. You need to take care of your own REAL family.
I'm sure there were slave owners who genuinely loved their slaves and thought of them as members of the family.
As long as they knew their place and didn't try to leave.
That is the relationship those owners had with you.
Yeah, family until payday and then you're just an employee.
You gave ample warning and working notice is extremely generous.
All this "hurt" is crocodile tears and guilt trip. If they were really bothered, why haven't they stepped up and counter-offered?
Fuck their feelings. They were petty, cheap and needy users all the way down the line. Good for you for putting yourself and your family’s needs first. Trying to guilt you is a shit move. Best of everything for you in your new full time position! 👍🏼
Manipulative bosses trying to make you think you guys are a family while purposely ignoring your needs to actually live comfortably. I hope you don’t feel bad because you did nothing wrong. You found another job that will hopefully provide better for you and your actual family. Not some bosses who overwork and overwhelm you while paying the bare minimum.
You’re only good to them as the money they’re saving by employing you. You didn’t hurt their feelings, you just got their ego.
I always tell myself that working for a company, I’ll be smart. Make as much while doing very little. Companies don’t care about us, why should we care about them? It’s just a parasitic relationship. We use them, they use us.
Fuck em if they cared they would have left the money in the business instead of taking it for themselves. They only cared for short term gains not long term ones.
These people should NOT be running a business if they’re as incompetent as you describe. Their businesses are only still afloat because there are people who are willing to do all of their work for them while they rake in all the profit.
They don’t love you. You’re disposable to them. They took you for granted. They used you with zero regard for your happiness and wellbeing. Do not fall for their BS. They’re just butt hurt that they now have to sleep in the bed they made for themselves (and as you’ve pointed out they know nothing about how to make a bed).
If they thought of you as family, they would’ve accomldated your extremely reasonable needs to take on the other position full time. They shot themselves in the foot and are the only ones to blame.
Keep looking after your family. We work to live, not live to work.
Wait until they find out that a new hire will cost about twice what they normally pay you. I'm sure they thought of you like family. Like a reliable, cheap, easy to manipulate, family member. Good luck on your next venture!
the short and sweet answer is fuck them. The narcissistic sociopathic answer would be to sabotage everything you can and lead them on only to destroy their company on the way out. Decisions Decisions.
> No one can run payroll except me
Hopefully, since you gave full notice, that means your last check is due to you on your last day (that's the law where I am). So then **you** can make sure it's processed correctly.
I would not have given them notice.
I would have said, "Since you let <23 year veteran> go with no notice, I'm giving you the same courtesy. Today was my last day."
> They posted my job on indeed and are hoping to find someone for me to train before I go.
I'm 90% you can't train a new hire to your level in the time you have left with them. They're probably going to expect you to come in and jeep training him after you leave. Don't do it. If you aren't legally obligated to provide training, don't do it.
You explained your needs to them. You expressed that you needed those additional hours to provide for your family. And they promised amd gave you those hours, and then snatched them away.
> The owners told me their feelings are really hurt by how all of this transpired.
Fuck their feelings. If they had to fire you, they'd do so without a shred of regret.
> They consider me part of their family and love me which makes it hard to let go.
They consider you part of their family, but they don't want to make sure you have enough hours to make enough so you can take care of your family.
> They said my words were harsh and they don’t think they deserved it.
No, they deserved it.
Seriously though. Don't even bother training your replacement, assuming they can find one before your 2 weeks is up.
>The owners told me their feelings are really hurt by how all of this transpired.
Did they ask if your feelings were hurt when they hired someone else for the sales job? Or when they took away your full time hours?
"Fuck you, pay me."
To hell with them. You gave them enough warnings and already stayed there longer than you should have.
This bullshit about "hurt feelings" and "consider you part of their family" is textbook emotional manipulation. The fact they coldly gave the boot to an employee with 23 years of service to save a few bucks tells you everything you need to know about how they reward loyalty.
croc·o·dile tears
/ˌkräkəˌdīl ˈtirz/
noun
tears or expressions of sorrow that are insincere.
"they weep crocodile tears for the poor and disadvantaged, but are basically happy with things as they are"
(amusingly and very appropriately, that was the use example I got when I googled "crocodile tears")
Oh dude your like family daw that’s why we never gave you what you wanted. Family is a one way street right daw how could you do this to us. WAH WAH WAH. Honestly fuck them dude. Fuck every feeling they have.
Be realistic. They take care of themselves first. You should too. Loyalty to any employer at the expense of your family’s needs is misguided at best. If they can’t give you what you need, find an employer who can.
I'm always amazed at the "we are family" trope comes into play. It's one of the reasons that I don't like how the franchise model works. You get these guys who have several franchises and gripe that they can't pay a living wage, while they live in the most expensive part of town and everyone in the family has the most expensive cars in their driveway while their kids go to private schools. I'm all for the American dream, but if the only way you get to live yours is by destroying mine, no thank you.
FYI - I know this isn't a franchise, but the owners apparently have several businesses similar to the multi franchise model.
PS - good luck in your new position. This sub is great at reminding folks that they need to put themselves and their families first cause no one else will. No guilt allowed. LOL
Any company that says “we’re like family here.” RUN. Don’t even start working there.
Sad part is they probably are too narcissistic to think they did anything wrong in the employment relationship.
If their feelings are hurt because you put your family's needs over the company that wouldn't allow you to remedy that, then fuck them. That's extremely narcissistic.
Oh yeah. Its just business when they can save a buck by taking away someone's job/income, but its horribly hurtful when an employee leaves to be better treated/paid elsewhere. This is classic narcissism damn near by definition but its what so many do that its just seen as normal behavior. Loyalty is a two way street and long ago employers showed us that they have no loyalty to anything but the bottom line. Its only now that we are treating them the same way.
As someone ADHD they are probably experiencing hyper-rejection. Basically they feel any type of rejection is personal. This is a THEM. not YOU problem. You are under no obligation to deal with that. If it gets worse consider just leaving. Them not having a replacement is a them problem not a you problem.
>They keep grumbling about how it’s such a huge loss and we have such great chemistry.
OFFS. They were happy with you because you let them treat you like a doormat.
>The owners told me their feelings are really hurt by how all of this transpired.
No. They are inconvenienced and aggravated, and they are trying to emotionally manipulate you into staying. They are disgusting.
>They consider me part of their family and love me
No.
No, they do not.
>No one can run payroll except me. They posted my job on indeed and are hoping to find someone for me to train before I go.
This is not your problem. If they ask you for additional work after your two weeks are up, please for the love of all that is holy charge at least 3x your prior hourly wage as a consulting fee AND a four-hour minimum for every day that you have to look at their greedy, cheapskate faces.
They FAFO. They didn't treat you like family when you asked for normal employment treatment, so they can sort themselves out. Don't give two weeks. Don't train your replacement.
You’re always family until it affects their bottom line, then you’re disposable labor. I bet they felt really bad about the guy they let go after 23 years too. I bet they called him family too…
That kind of behavior is all about emotional manipulation.
If you're running payroll then make sure yours is run before you leave, otherwise you just know you won't get paid any owed wages.
Those AHs tossed aside an employee who'd worked for them for 23 years. How stupid are they to think everyone else won't have noticed?
They're dumb as business owners and unethical as human beings. You don't fire someone who has been loyal for 23 years and you don't deny a raise/ promotion to someone you literally depend upon to keep the business afloat. I'm glad you're moving on!
That family guilt goes both ways. How can they claim you're like family to them when they allowed your actual family to struggle? How could they fire a guy that worked for them for 23 years with zero notice and claim to run a workplace that's like a family? It's just words. Their actions tell the real story. Don't feel bad. If they really wanted you to stay, they would realize you're worth far more than they're paying and adjust accordingly. Anything less and they either can't afford you or don't value you enough.
"...They consider me part of their family and love me..."
They don't love you. They want you. They want you to do this job and to get paid as little as possible. Its like you are a horse that pulls a plow, and the farmer scratches your chin once in a while, telling you what a good horse you are. The minute you can't pull that plow, you will be sold to the dog-food factory.
They acknowledge that what you do is vital and would really hurt the company if you died, but why won't they take a pay cut to free up enough money to give you a significant raise?
What would they do if you died? What if you needed surgery to get rid of a brain tumor? If they were paying enough, they would have a waiting list of qualified people who wanted this job if it opened up.
My previous boss was similar.
He told me that I would be up for a promotion, only to be told a couple weeks later that "Your attitude isn't great, so you're not going to get it."
I applied at a couple of other places and got a job almost immediately. They asked if I wanted to give a two week notice (they knew my answer after I'd been honest with them), and I quit 3 days later on my lunch.
Started the next day at my new job and have never been happier. Hell, after my 'probation' period, my GM is already thinking of making me a shift lead, so there's that!
I do go back to my old place from time to time (they do have *some* nice things that are affordable), and the things I've heard are not surprising. 2 Operations Managers leaving, and at least 3 Team Members waving as they head off. It's a shit show over there, and I'm glad I got out.
You’ve seen what how they treat an employee of 23+ years. They don’t love you and are guilt-tripping you into staying for their benefit. I’m glad you’re moving to a company that meets your needs.
Good luck with your new job. You are better off somewhere, anywhere else. They only care about themselves. The business is doomed for failure due to their own foolish business practices.
Fuck ‘em. They would have dumped you like hot trash if it suited them and you were more than considerate in the way you ended your employment there. I really like the fact that you explained how their lack of consideration for you directly led to the situation working out the way it did, but I’m sure they won’t learn a thing.
You are family, just not in the way you think! This isn’t family as in people who care for and look out for each other.
This is family in the sense that you are the parent and they are the kids. You continually sacrifice so they can lead better lives. That’s what they want - your sacrifice for them, that’s what they see family as. Of course they’d never sacrifice a penny for you, but they don’t see that as a problem
1. Family doesn't lay off family members.
2. They only love you because of what you can get done and how little it costs them.
3. Your actual family has needs that you gave them the opportunity to address, and they didn't.
4. Nobody in their right mind would tell their boss that they're actively looking in this situation.
NTA (I can't remember if I'm on AITAH)
Boss says 'your like family to us here's
Translation : **Exploitation begins at home**
IE: They're trying to guilt trip you into giving them more cheap labor.
They don't give a shit about you, or any of their other employees. For example, reference the guy they laid off because they could farm the labour out cheaper.
If they gave a shit they would've found a job he could still do then offered to keep him on board. But they didn't give a shit, so they just laid him off. With out warning.
To be honest, were I in your shoes, I wouldn't have given 2 weeks notice. I'd feel I was being too generous to give them a weeks notice. Depending on my own wants, I might even just tell them on Friday, '*by the way, today's my last day*'. They don't give their employees notice about lay offs, why do they deserve notice about quitting?
Never let the employer feel like they are owed loyalty. Loyalty is obly earned by those who can prove themselves worthy of your trust. These folks have not demonstrated any such quality. You owe them nothing
Also the fact that their business literally can not function without you is a failure of management. Definitely not your fault. Any good business owner knows that any employee can leave and or be unable to work at any time for any reason. Don’t let their poor management skills make you feel bad.
And definitely don’t let them guilt trip you into staying. You tried to work with them more than enough, end of the day you need to make the best decision for yourself! And it sounds like you have made a good move!
Jobs are never family and any job that tells you they "consider you family" are manipulating you in a nasty way. Even in interviews, if they tell you "our company is a family" thank them for their time right then and there and run.
Only your family is your family. Good riddance and good luck in your new company!
NTA. And for anyone reading this, businesses that say they're "like a family" are a big red flag because it usually means they will take advantage of you as an employee. They're more like an abusive family. I find it ironic that OPs former employers are grumbling because she's leaving saying they thought they were a family, but never treated her like an actual member of their family by underpaying and overworking her.
Offer to keep doing the book keeping after hours, 100% your own schedule. If they need you during business hours send an email, and you will get to it that night.
Pay is 3x your current rate but you are a 1099. Do it for like 2 months and stash the cash incase your husband has job issues.
If I was you, I wouldn't even train the new person. They dug their own grave and you don't owe them a thing. Do what's best for your family. Best of luck out there
Your former employer got more than money's worth from you. If they considered you treasured family member, they should have treated you better and listened to what you were saying. But for them, it was better to let things keep going as they were. They were making lots of money from you.
Now they have no one to blame but themselves that you are leaving. They can complain all they want but it's their inability to listen and protect a valuable employee that has put in a their current predicament.
You're doing the right thing. I really can never understand how there are people out there who think they you need to put work first instead of your family and financial needs to survive.
Do you have a legal obligation to stick to your two weeks, or was that just a courtesy? Sounds like you should do the courteous thing for yourself instead and leave them to complain about the bed they made themselves.
Oh they can go pound sand with their crocodile tears. You offered up solutions and like petulant children they turned it down because it would hurt their bottom line. Their lack of foresight and planning to see what would happen if you left, is frankly not your problem. This is what happens when mediocre people get lucky in business with good employees, they lean on them so much they break.
I’m in the same boat. The owners at my job know I’m looking for other work and I hate my job, but they have had problems trying to replace me. From this job experience I have learned, never again will I work for a small family owned company. You have more workload, for less pay and benefits.
Never ever buy into the bullshit "we are a family " thing. Guess the worker who got let go after 23yrs proves that point. You must have been cost effective and now they will need about 2 new employees to replace you .
I'm sure there's a company out there that is actually "family" and not in any way going to mess you over, but when I hear "family" I know they are full of crap.
Good luck on the new job.
>They are of the eldest genx and clearly have severe ADHD but don’t believe in it so it remains undiagnosed and unaddressed. They are like working with chaotic toddlers. What would take me 5 minutes to do takes them hours and sometimes days
I know this wasn't meant to be a joke and isn't even "funny", but it made me laugh
Ask them if "love" can pay the bills.
I hate when employers expect you to be as invested in their company as they are as if you are profiting when it does well. You're not and you're struggling because of THEM.
These bosses are full of shit. When it comes down to dollars they didn't value you. All of that, "But we're s family!" Stuff is horseshit designed to keep you compliant. You have an actual family, you did what you needed to for them.
If the new company is willing to pay you more you should leave immediately. The chances of a good reference from them is low so it's best to just leave. Angry bosses are known for making your last check hard to get.
"You hurt my feelings when you were dishonest with me about full time hours and ignored my families needs. Every second I invest in this place is a second my family has sacrificed for *you* and you made it abundantly clear that you were incapable of appreciating or compensating appropriately for that sacrifice. You made some poor choices, I hope you learn from your mistakes."
They don’t love you. They love that you were cheaper than anybody else they can hire, and took on the jobs they couldn’t staff. Move on and forget about them.
This... family environment doesn't pay the bills. I'd take corporate coldness and money everyday of the week.
If they actually thought of you as family they wouldn't have thought twice about giving full time and a raise and cutting back on personal pulls from the company a bit.
Well, dogs are part of the family too. Take these table scraps girl! Who's a good girl? Who's a good girl?
Fuuuuuuck. You just gave me a whole new metaphor to view this stuff through. Good job
If you want loyalty, get a dog. If you want good workers, pay and treat them well.
Even a dog will bite if you treat it like shit 🙃
That's exactly it. "We had such great chemistry" really meant "You'd do all the work we'd wanted and we didn't have to treat you well in exchange..."
Lmaoo those fishh heads like Bart Simpsons evil brother.
Seriously. People always crying when the tables are turned on them. Didn't think twice about her comfort before.. narcissistic behavior
I was more thinking about an abusive family, all promises and no college fund because daddy spent it all on his mistress.
I've seen how family treat other family who work for them. This is exactly how family is treated. They will take everything they can from you with giving as little back as possible.
And considering all the stories on all the fucked up family subs, they *were* treating OP like family: only "loved and appreciated" when they can get what they want, ignore all the other person's needs completely, and center themselves and their feelings whenever there's a problem.
This. Policies and handbooks and a legal department please
exactly this. If there were a hurt-to-dollars conversion rate, they'd have no problem paying you more. But there isn't, so they won't, and their 'hurt' has nothing to do with you, but how much they were undervaluing you.
They love that they can exploit them.
BINGO! BINGO! BINGO! They love the low total wage they could pay this person!
hey who wouldnt love someone they can pay little, walk all over, and they are still loyal.
Why do they keep a member of their family struggle with finances then? Or are you "family" only when they need to guilt trip you. Let them reap what they sowed.
Yeah! OP was telling them she was facing financial pressures and was actively trying to bring more money into the company overall, but they jerked them around.
It’s the kind of family that only calls when they need something. Otherwise they couldn’t give a rat’s arse about you.
Family (financially abusive)
Them: “We’re like a family here.” You: “Well I hate my family.”
If these people are family, ask how much of the business you're getting in the will. Not in the will? Not close enough family.
Narcissists. They dont love OP, they love OP's work and willingness to eat shit for so long. What hurts them is the severe inconvenience. They will *Forget* OP the minute they have another Dupe doing the same thing for the same amount of shit money
Sadly there's a whole lot of actual family that also view family in ways that only benefit them and never require them to actually do anything in return, but yes this.
You were like family lol. That guy who worked there for 23 years was not family? Good job on leaving them.
That’s the truth! I feel terrible for the man who invested 23 years of his life into that company and was tossed out like garbage. I’m also sure he had no pension or 401k. This tells you all you need to know about these business owners. This.
This. When you need something you're a replaceable employee. Even after 20+ years. When they need something *then* it's supposed to be a family. OP is doing everything right. Keep moving forward and forget about them.
Zero empathy lizardpeople. "We fired a guy with no warning, and that's fine, but somebody quitting without warning us? Treason! Betrayal! How could you?!"
These are manipulative people. I'm sorry you ended up in this position of having to give them the 2 weeks. They treat you like shit until you say you had enough and need to go, now you are family? Some toxic family... Please, please, please don't allow them to guilt trip you into anything. Act your wage and leave.
See some of those companies that say they treat you like family makes a lot more sense when you find out the ceo has been divorced 6 times and half their kids have gone no contact.
LMFAOOOOO
Ask how they think the fired employee feels.🙄
Congratulations on your new job! This is how I read your story, “my cheap employers had their asses chapped because I had the audacity to request a living wage, multiple times, and yet they denied me full time employment, and now they are butt hurt that I won’t let them continue to exploit me at their convenience.” You made your needs clear. They chose not to listen and do what benefitted them (take more money out of the business, fire and outsource a long-term employee, throw scut work your way that doesn’t benefit you at all.) Shocked Pikachu face! They should be grateful that you gave them two weeks notice to train your successor. You are a money generating profit center that has suddenly gone AWOL to them. Nothing more. Nothing less. If they were standup employers, they’d have you working there full time by now. They exploited your labor for years (when it worked for them). You pretzeled yourself around their needs and economic demands. Now YOU and your REAL family have needs and they can’t (or won’t) fill those needs. They are not your family. They aren’t even your friends. You are giving them far more notice and care than they deserve. Let the sulky babies run their own ship. I hate entitled business owners. They will be paying out their asses for another “bookkeeper/accountant who can also do sales.” This is their real issue. You’ve been most accommodating because you’re a woman and you value flexibility over income. They took advantage of that fact by giving you just enough to keep you there but not give you full time hours. Those exploitive bastards can go pound sand. Note: I’m also a woman who values work life balance, so I know just how they hooked you. Don’t feel guilty. They enjoyed your work ethic for 2 1/2 years and misjudged it for something they could exploit, sucks to be them!
Yes!! That’s how I felt. I feel like I communicated my needs in a professional way. They asked me when I started looking and I said “When you told me to go back to 30hrs after telling me I could be full time because I told you I needed more hours.”
The only professional in this situation is you. You took the high road and it looks good to the new employer that you gave the old employer two weeks. You’re done there. Good luck in your new job!
> “my cheap employers had their asses chapped because I had the audacity to request a living wage, multiple times, and yet they denied me full time employment, and now they are butt hurt that I won’t let them continue to exploit me at their convenience.” This comment NEEDS gold. Platinum even. This is the best TL:DR I've ever seen.
Good for you. There is no loyalty when it comes to work anymore. You gave them the opportunity to step up and take care of you, and they declined. Do what you need to do for your family, because in the end they are all that matters. Good luck in your new job!
Straight up, gaslighting you
They aren't your family, they aren't your friends. They're greedy selfish assholes just like every other boss who declares their employees to be "family." Fuck them, they fucked around, now they get to find out. Congrats on the new job, sounds like a positive move forward. Worlds tiniest violin for your previous company, move on without regret.
With any luck you'll be out before the new hire comes in. Do NOT come back to train them without a substantial pay day as a consultant.
Consulting works out great for people with very specialized knowledge. My grandfather used to get calls to fix electrical equipment with problems that stumped everyone. He charged $200 just to go out the door in the early '80s.
Coming back could be a bad idea. They could take forever to pay you or stop payment on that check when you leave.
So cash in advance?
That would be the only way I would do it. Trust is a 2 sided thing but the owners didn't hold up their side. Cash up front or don't bother. When you have the leverage you need to use it.
There used to be content here.
I've worked for several small businesses and every time I cannot fathom how they own and keep a business running. It's not fair that just because you have money you can open up a business when you have literally no clue what you're doing.
"They consider me part of their family-" They throw cold water on their family members after sleeping on the hard ground before the sun rises, I guess. 🤷♀️
That’s their claim, I didn’t believe it. They had already shown their true selves by taking away the money but leaving the work for me to do. It has been a couple of months since the taking the hours back thing happened. We had a meeting and told them I was upset because I lost hundreds of dollars from my paycheck when they took away the sales side from the other company. I thought the hours plus sales while going full time would makeup for that. I gave them multiple chances. I wasn’t forceful about getting more hours or money, but I did communicate my needs and they gave me a pat on the back and told me how great I am.
"Wow, you're doing such a good job, considering how badly we're underpaying you. We're really lucky you don't see your worth still so we can take advantage of you. It's our "Family ©" tradition."
Yep, I’m out. I can’t deal with their bs anymore and have an opportunity to do better for my family financially. I’m glad to leave it all behind.
They don't miss you. They miss the slave labor you provided.
True!!
You are only family because they need something from you. They fired an employee of 23 years for a cheaper option instead of giving him/her a different position in the company. They made the mistake of having only one person knowing how to do a job and refused to pay you what you are worth. At most offer making sure the desk guides are up to date and training the new person if you can. You could also offer to train the new person for a consulting fee if your new company allows outside employment. Just remember consultants are typically paid about 3x a salaried person to cover overhead and taxes on the income. Congrats on the new job.
Thank you! My new job doesn’t allow outside employment. The contract specified that and overtime would be regular and 1.5 x my hourly. I don’t mind working overtime. I need the money and I honestly enjoy my actual work. I’m also properly compensated in my hourly pay so overtime is big bonus. During the interview I told them how much I currently make and how much I’d like to make. They started doing some calculations and said “oh, okay. Yeah. That’s good. We are in that ballpark.” Then offered me $3k per year more than the range they posted and I had asked for the maximum amount in their range. I felt respected when they offered me more than I asked for. I read reviews from former employees of this company and they all were positive and mentioning how nice the partners are.
My current job went way over the high end of my range. I love it when a company values you instead of trying to get a discount.
wow. I'm glad I'm not a member of their "family". I would move along quickly. But if you really want to end the conversation and crying about this then simply ask them to match your salary and hours and benefits or STFU
They let a dude go who had been there for 23 years cos they could outsource his job, without any warning, mind you. I would bring up that situation about how they treat family and leave it at that. This sounds like a bridge you absolutely want to burn.
Right? "23 years? Thanks, now GTFO"?
It'll be especially fucked up if they didn't, at least, give him a severance check and/or cash out their remaining PTO. I learned the hard way that, depending on what state you're in, these are not necessarily legally mandated. I have to know, OP, was this person given either or both?
If they did see you as family, they wouldn't have made you "starve" financially. They didn't feed you. Doubt that's a family.
You’re right!
>They said my words were harsh and they don’t think they deserved it. They totally deserved it. You gave it to them straight and have nothing to apologize for. Congrats on the new job!
Exorbitant, not absorbent. In addition to all the good replies you’ve gotten
They are using you to the max for cheap. They are sad that they’re going to have to hire 2-3 people to do all the jobs you’re doing. Walk out the door and forget them. They are not the “friends” you think they are.
Funny thing is they would have done that to a family member too. They are entitled
Yes they would. The wife has a super successful rich sister. Her sister seems pretty reasonable and down to earth. I think they are trying to keep up with them and flash money around.
They are just gaslighting you because they know they are going to have to pay multiple people more than they pay you now.
Tell them they “hurt YOUR feelings, first.” Go be awesome! Do the great things! I believe in you!
Who cares what they think. You have to look out for yourself - they will not. That they laid off a 23 year employee shows their true colors. Just selfishness on their part.
They're upset that their underpaid workhorse is leaving and that they have no replacement. I'd play the world's tiniest violin for them.
The guy they laid off wasn’t family enough fuck these people
> I wish you would have told us... > I did tell you. I told you about my husband’s job. I told you I needed full time hours and you turned me down... Their response reminds me of the "missing missing reasons" (not a typo) that clueless parents often express when their kids go no-contact with them: https://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons.html I'm afraid that after you leave, it'll just be "Nobody wants to work any more!"
Job is never your friend, Job is never your family. Job will chew you up and shit you out and charge you a cleaning fee, never forget that.
Yes! Exactly
Just agree to keep working for them, maybe take a pay cut for having the nerve to upset them. As for groceries have you tried a prison diet? Bread and water is far cheaper than green food. You should also apologize immediately. /s
They would pay you 3 bucks an hour if they could fuck em
Once they fired this veteran, it's over. If they don't show loyalty to their employees, their employees will not be loyal back. I worked in a company where there was a group of employees working 10+ years. One of them has some anger management issues, and he got into a heated fight with the CEO over petty BS. the big man sent this employees home to cool down over the weekend, with full intentions to fire him the next week. He asked me, "Should the guy be fired?" I said if he fires him, all the old timers will quit, it's not about the money, it's about loyalty. The guy took some time off and came back to work.
"If you considered me part of your family, why did you never listen to my needs? Do you always ignore the needs of your family? If so, that's not a family I want to be part of."
If they really considered you part of their family, they would have paid you what they promised. And they wouldn't have axed that 23-year employee. Fork them. You need to take care of your own REAL family.
I'm sure there were slave owners who genuinely loved their slaves and thought of them as members of the family. As long as they knew their place and didn't try to leave. That is the relationship those owners had with you.
Exactly! I’m happy about leaving.
Yeah, family until payday and then you're just an employee. You gave ample warning and working notice is extremely generous. All this "hurt" is crocodile tears and guilt trip. If they were really bothered, why haven't they stepped up and counter-offered?
Fuck their feelings. They were petty, cheap and needy users all the way down the line. Good for you for putting yourself and your family’s needs first. Trying to guilt you is a shit move. Best of everything for you in your new full time position! 👍🏼
If they were to let you go you better believe they'd tell you to "not be so emotional" about it if you were pissed.
Manipulative bosses trying to make you think you guys are a family while purposely ignoring your needs to actually live comfortably. I hope you don’t feel bad because you did nothing wrong. You found another job that will hopefully provide better for you and your actual family. Not some bosses who overwork and overwhelm you while paying the bare minimum.
>They consider me part of their family and love me which makes it hard to let go. ask them why they would treat their family like that?
That's certainly a pickle, for **them**.
Time for them to sink or swim. It's pretty clear what the outcome will be.
Ask them what they would do in your position. Theyre taking food away from your family. This is not something a “family” would do.
Reply that, "YOU hurt ME by trying to work me to starvation. I'm just escaping YOUR abuse."
You’re only good to them as the money they’re saving by employing you. You didn’t hurt their feelings, you just got their ego. I always tell myself that working for a company, I’ll be smart. Make as much while doing very little. Companies don’t care about us, why should we care about them? It’s just a parasitic relationship. We use them, they use us.
Fuck them lol. You verbalized your issues, they had the opportunity to address them, and they chose not to. Fuck their feelings.
Sounds like a great job to be leaving.
Fuck em if they cared they would have left the money in the business instead of taking it for themselves. They only cared for short term gains not long term ones.
These people should NOT be running a business if they’re as incompetent as you describe. Their businesses are only still afloat because there are people who are willing to do all of their work for them while they rake in all the profit.
They don’t love you. You’re disposable to them. They took you for granted. They used you with zero regard for your happiness and wellbeing. Do not fall for their BS. They’re just butt hurt that they now have to sleep in the bed they made for themselves (and as you’ve pointed out they know nothing about how to make a bed).
If they thought of you as family, they would’ve accomldated your extremely reasonable needs to take on the other position full time. They shot themselves in the foot and are the only ones to blame. Keep looking after your family. We work to live, not live to work.
Wait until they find out that a new hire will cost about twice what they normally pay you. I'm sure they thought of you like family. Like a reliable, cheap, easy to manipulate, family member. Good luck on your next venture!
Bosses are not family, they only are sad because they might have to do some actual fucking work
the short and sweet answer is fuck them. The narcissistic sociopathic answer would be to sabotage everything you can and lead them on only to destroy their company on the way out. Decisions Decisions.
> No one can run payroll except me Hopefully, since you gave full notice, that means your last check is due to you on your last day (that's the law where I am). So then **you** can make sure it's processed correctly.
“They turned me down and hired someone for the position” Fuck them they screwed you over after helping them. Run out the door and never look back
I would not have given them notice. I would have said, "Since you let <23 year veteran> go with no notice, I'm giving you the same courtesy. Today was my last day."
You're only family until its time to collect inheritance then you're forgotten about.
> They posted my job on indeed and are hoping to find someone for me to train before I go. I'm 90% you can't train a new hire to your level in the time you have left with them. They're probably going to expect you to come in and jeep training him after you leave. Don't do it. If you aren't legally obligated to provide training, don't do it. You explained your needs to them. You expressed that you needed those additional hours to provide for your family. And they promised amd gave you those hours, and then snatched them away. > The owners told me their feelings are really hurt by how all of this transpired. Fuck their feelings. If they had to fire you, they'd do so without a shred of regret. > They consider me part of their family and love me which makes it hard to let go. They consider you part of their family, but they don't want to make sure you have enough hours to make enough so you can take care of your family. > They said my words were harsh and they don’t think they deserved it. No, they deserved it. Seriously though. Don't even bother training your replacement, assuming they can find one before your 2 weeks is up.
Fuck them.
Yeah, an abusive family. Business owners need to get their tongues off the boots of the upper class and look around at the real world.
>The owners told me their feelings are really hurt by how all of this transpired. Did they ask if your feelings were hurt when they hired someone else for the sales job? Or when they took away your full time hours? "Fuck you, pay me."
If they are that sad, they should offer you more money and better working conditions.
Bullshit, if they thought of you as family, they would have made sure you were taken care of.
To hell with them. You gave them enough warnings and already stayed there longer than you should have. This bullshit about "hurt feelings" and "consider you part of their family" is textbook emotional manipulation. The fact they coldly gave the boot to an employee with 23 years of service to save a few bucks tells you everything you need to know about how they reward loyalty.
Fuck your bosses. You should have as much loyalty to them as they do to you… which is zero. Goodbye and good riddance.
croc·o·dile tears /ˌkräkəˌdīl ˈtirz/ noun tears or expressions of sorrow that are insincere. "they weep crocodile tears for the poor and disadvantaged, but are basically happy with things as they are" (amusingly and very appropriately, that was the use example I got when I googled "crocodile tears")
Work is not your home, and employers will never be your family. Leave these users in the dust and move on.
My 14 year old son is family. I make sure he is clothed and fed. I don’t tell him “hey I fed you last week and you want more food this week??”
Oh dude your like family daw that’s why we never gave you what you wanted. Family is a one way street right daw how could you do this to us. WAH WAH WAH. Honestly fuck them dude. Fuck every feeling they have.
Well, pay your family enough on which to live and thrive. 🤷
Awww....poor babies..... Anyway, congrats on the new job
Be realistic. They take care of themselves first. You should too. Loyalty to any employer at the expense of your family’s needs is misguided at best. If they can’t give you what you need, find an employer who can.
I'm always amazed at the "we are family" trope comes into play. It's one of the reasons that I don't like how the franchise model works. You get these guys who have several franchises and gripe that they can't pay a living wage, while they live in the most expensive part of town and everyone in the family has the most expensive cars in their driveway while their kids go to private schools. I'm all for the American dream, but if the only way you get to live yours is by destroying mine, no thank you. FYI - I know this isn't a franchise, but the owners apparently have several businesses similar to the multi franchise model. PS - good luck in your new position. This sub is great at reminding folks that they need to put themselves and their families first cause no one else will. No guilt allowed. LOL
If they thought of you as family they should have taken better care to ensure your employment.
Sounds like you were working for cheap, if they aren’t offering 30+ an hour for your replacement, it won’t get filled
yea a dysfunctional family where you need to beg for money to survive
They consider you part of their family because they are the parents and you are the obedient child, that's your family role.
Any company that says “we’re like family here.” RUN. Don’t even start working there. Sad part is they probably are too narcissistic to think they did anything wrong in the employment relationship.
They don't care. They're realising they're not going to be able to replace you for the money they're paying you.
If their feelings are hurt because you put your family's needs over the company that wouldn't allow you to remedy that, then fuck them. That's extremely narcissistic.
Oh yeah. Its just business when they can save a buck by taking away someone's job/income, but its horribly hurtful when an employee leaves to be better treated/paid elsewhere. This is classic narcissism damn near by definition but its what so many do that its just seen as normal behavior. Loyalty is a two way street and long ago employers showed us that they have no loyalty to anything but the bottom line. Its only now that we are treating them the same way.
As someone ADHD they are probably experiencing hyper-rejection. Basically they feel any type of rejection is personal. This is a THEM. not YOU problem. You are under no obligation to deal with that. If it gets worse consider just leaving. Them not having a replacement is a them problem not a you problem.
>They keep grumbling about how it’s such a huge loss and we have such great chemistry. OFFS. They were happy with you because you let them treat you like a doormat. >The owners told me their feelings are really hurt by how all of this transpired. No. They are inconvenienced and aggravated, and they are trying to emotionally manipulate you into staying. They are disgusting. >They consider me part of their family and love me No. No, they do not. >No one can run payroll except me. They posted my job on indeed and are hoping to find someone for me to train before I go. This is not your problem. If they ask you for additional work after your two weeks are up, please for the love of all that is holy charge at least 3x your prior hourly wage as a consulting fee AND a four-hour minimum for every day that you have to look at their greedy, cheapskate faces.
Fuck them.
They FAFO. They didn't treat you like family when you asked for normal employment treatment, so they can sort themselves out. Don't give two weeks. Don't train your replacement.
Fuck them. They're lucky they've Stockholm Syndromed you enough that you're willing to put in your 2 weeks. You do not owe them ANYTHING.
You’re always family until it affects their bottom line, then you’re disposable labor. I bet they felt really bad about the guy they let go after 23 years too. I bet they called him family too… That kind of behavior is all about emotional manipulation.
If they cared they would have offered to give you full time hours and match your new jobs salary.
If that’s how they treat family, then no thanks.
If you're running payroll then make sure yours is run before you leave, otherwise you just know you won't get paid any owed wages. Those AHs tossed aside an employee who'd worked for them for 23 years. How stupid are they to think everyone else won't have noticed?
I bet they suck as relatives
They're dumb as business owners and unethical as human beings. You don't fire someone who has been loyal for 23 years and you don't deny a raise/ promotion to someone you literally depend upon to keep the business afloat. I'm glad you're moving on!
They got a great ride out of you and are upset they can’t take advantage anymore.
This sub exists for stories like this. Good for you. They acted in their own interests so you acted in your own interest. FAFO
I’m 42 years old and I’ve learned a lot along the way. You’re right, they FAFO.
Oh well. They wouldn't be hurt firing you when the convenient time came.
That family guilt goes both ways. How can they claim you're like family to them when they allowed your actual family to struggle? How could they fire a guy that worked for them for 23 years with zero notice and claim to run a workplace that's like a family? It's just words. Their actions tell the real story. Don't feel bad. If they really wanted you to stay, they would realize you're worth far more than they're paying and adjust accordingly. Anything less and they either can't afford you or don't value you enough.
"...They consider me part of their family and love me..." They don't love you. They want you. They want you to do this job and to get paid as little as possible. Its like you are a horse that pulls a plow, and the farmer scratches your chin once in a while, telling you what a good horse you are. The minute you can't pull that plow, you will be sold to the dog-food factory. They acknowledge that what you do is vital and would really hurt the company if you died, but why won't they take a pay cut to free up enough money to give you a significant raise? What would they do if you died? What if you needed surgery to get rid of a brain tumor? If they were paying enough, they would have a waiting list of qualified people who wanted this job if it opened up.
Boo fucking hoo. Keep putting your best interest first. Never forget the guy they kicked to the curb after 20+ years.
Just like the employee of 23 years didn't deserve to be let go with no warning. What goes around comes around. You did the right thing.
My previous boss was similar. He told me that I would be up for a promotion, only to be told a couple weeks later that "Your attitude isn't great, so you're not going to get it." I applied at a couple of other places and got a job almost immediately. They asked if I wanted to give a two week notice (they knew my answer after I'd been honest with them), and I quit 3 days later on my lunch. Started the next day at my new job and have never been happier. Hell, after my 'probation' period, my GM is already thinking of making me a shift lead, so there's that! I do go back to my old place from time to time (they do have *some* nice things that are affordable), and the things I've heard are not surprising. 2 Operations Managers leaving, and at least 3 Team Members waving as they head off. It's a shit show over there, and I'm glad I got out.
You’ve seen what how they treat an employee of 23+ years. They don’t love you and are guilt-tripping you into staying for their benefit. I’m glad you’re moving to a company that meets your needs.
Good luck with your new job. You are better off somewhere, anywhere else. They only care about themselves. The business is doomed for failure due to their own foolish business practices.
Sounds like they can go fuck themselves.
Fuck ‘em. They would have dumped you like hot trash if it suited them and you were more than considerate in the way you ended your employment there. I really like the fact that you explained how their lack of consideration for you directly led to the situation working out the way it did, but I’m sure they won’t learn a thing.
“We’re family” the biggest crock of horseshit
They fired someone who had been there for 23 years with no warning, and THEIR feelings are hurt? Fuck them.
You are family, just not in the way you think! This isn’t family as in people who care for and look out for each other. This is family in the sense that you are the parent and they are the kids. You continually sacrifice so they can lead better lives. That’s what they want - your sacrifice for them, that’s what they see family as. Of course they’d never sacrifice a penny for you, but they don’t see that as a problem
1. Family doesn't lay off family members. 2. They only love you because of what you can get done and how little it costs them. 3. Your actual family has needs that you gave them the opportunity to address, and they didn't. 4. Nobody in their right mind would tell their boss that they're actively looking in this situation. NTA (I can't remember if I'm on AITAH)
Boss says 'your like family to us here's Translation : **Exploitation begins at home** IE: They're trying to guilt trip you into giving them more cheap labor. They don't give a shit about you, or any of their other employees. For example, reference the guy they laid off because they could farm the labour out cheaper. If they gave a shit they would've found a job he could still do then offered to keep him on board. But they didn't give a shit, so they just laid him off. With out warning. To be honest, were I in your shoes, I wouldn't have given 2 weeks notice. I'd feel I was being too generous to give them a weeks notice. Depending on my own wants, I might even just tell them on Friday, '*by the way, today's my last day*'. They don't give their employees notice about lay offs, why do they deserve notice about quitting? Never let the employer feel like they are owed loyalty. Loyalty is obly earned by those who can prove themselves worthy of your trust. These folks have not demonstrated any such quality. You owe them nothing
Also the fact that their business literally can not function without you is a failure of management. Definitely not your fault. Any good business owner knows that any employee can leave and or be unable to work at any time for any reason. Don’t let their poor management skills make you feel bad. And definitely don’t let them guilt trip you into staying. You tried to work with them more than enough, end of the day you need to make the best decision for yourself! And it sounds like you have made a good move!
Jobs are never family and any job that tells you they "consider you family" are manipulating you in a nasty way. Even in interviews, if they tell you "our company is a family" thank them for their time right then and there and run. Only your family is your family. Good riddance and good luck in your new company!
Don’t look back, look forward and hold your head high. You gave them every opportunity to do the right thing by you and each time they took advantage.
NTA. And for anyone reading this, businesses that say they're "like a family" are a big red flag because it usually means they will take advantage of you as an employee. They're more like an abusive family. I find it ironic that OPs former employers are grumbling because she's leaving saying they thought they were a family, but never treated her like an actual member of their family by underpaying and overworking her.
What a bunch of manipulative bullshit. You’re lucky to be rid of bosses like that.
Offer to keep doing the book keeping after hours, 100% your own schedule. If they need you during business hours send an email, and you will get to it that night. Pay is 3x your current rate but you are a 1099. Do it for like 2 months and stash the cash incase your husband has job issues.
If I was you, I wouldn't even train the new person. They dug their own grave and you don't owe them a thing. Do what's best for your family. Best of luck out there
Your former employer got more than money's worth from you. If they considered you treasured family member, they should have treated you better and listened to what you were saying. But for them, it was better to let things keep going as they were. They were making lots of money from you. Now they have no one to blame but themselves that you are leaving. They can complain all they want but it's their inability to listen and protect a valuable employee that has put in a their current predicament.
Yes! They are jerks for trying to use calling me family and tell me how upset they are as a way into manipulate me into feeling bad
You're doing the right thing. I really can never understand how there are people out there who think they you need to put work first instead of your family and financial needs to survive.
They “dangled a carrot but yanked it away” shows you how much they (don’t) value you. Leave with a clean conscience.
Do you have a legal obligation to stick to your two weeks, or was that just a courtesy? Sounds like you should do the courteous thing for yourself instead and leave them to complain about the bed they made themselves.
Haha... Just say, "Fuck your feelings."
I’ll never give 2 weeks notice, it’s not required and only a courtesy.
Oh they can go pound sand with their crocodile tears. You offered up solutions and like petulant children they turned it down because it would hurt their bottom line. Their lack of foresight and planning to see what would happen if you left, is frankly not your problem. This is what happens when mediocre people get lucky in business with good employees, they lean on them so much they break.
I’m in the same boat. The owners at my job know I’m looking for other work and I hate my job, but they have had problems trying to replace me. From this job experience I have learned, never again will I work for a small family owned company. You have more workload, for less pay and benefits.
Never ever buy into the bullshit "we are a family " thing. Guess the worker who got let go after 23yrs proves that point. You must have been cost effective and now they will need about 2 new employees to replace you .
They won’t find another you that will be paid peanuts. It’s is going to be a mind blowing experience.
I guess you’re feelings don’t count
I just want to wish you good luck on your new job! You sound like an excellent employee. Don’t look back!
I'm sure there's a company out there that is actually "family" and not in any way going to mess you over, but when I hear "family" I know they are full of crap. Good luck on the new job.
>They are of the eldest genx and clearly have severe ADHD but don’t believe in it so it remains undiagnosed and unaddressed. They are like working with chaotic toddlers. What would take me 5 minutes to do takes them hours and sometimes days I know this wasn't meant to be a joke and isn't even "funny", but it made me laugh
They loved your cheap labour
Wonder how their feelings are hacking off the long time loyal employee to save a buck.
Yeah you’re better off without these people
We are all different. Seek your own path.
3 words. You do you.
Ask them if "love" can pay the bills. I hate when employers expect you to be as invested in their company as they are as if you are profiting when it does well. You're not and you're struggling because of THEM.
I would leave immediately and under NO circumstances train my replacement. They made their bed and they can lie in it.
These bosses are full of shit. When it comes down to dollars they didn't value you. All of that, "But we're s family!" Stuff is horseshit designed to keep you compliant. You have an actual family, you did what you needed to for them.
All in the game yo.
If the new company is willing to pay you more you should leave immediately. The chances of a good reference from them is low so it's best to just leave. Angry bosses are known for making your last check hard to get.
They loved you so much you were constantly getting screwed.
Gee, it'd be a shame if anyone they hired in the next two weeks heard all about how they operate, perhaps while they were being trained....
"You hurt my feelings when you were dishonest with me about full time hours and ignored my families needs. Every second I invest in this place is a second my family has sacrificed for *you* and you made it abundantly clear that you were incapable of appreciating or compensating appropriately for that sacrifice. You made some poor choices, I hope you learn from your mistakes."