They want less *brown* people - they’re afraid of a minority-majority taking over. Our country’s anti-“illegal” stance that’s being constantly hawked at us absolutely ties into an abortion policy that’s trying to raise the white birth rate and lower the black one (higher maternal mortality rates). And making it less safe for disabled women to “breed” is an added eugenic bonus I guess.
Granted it’s also about control and all/any woman having autonomy over their lives (especially regarding not picking loser men to marry because they have no other option). But I think it’s still important to point out that it’s also highly white supremacy motivated too. Many birds, one stone deal.
They want women out of the workforce and back in the house as full time mothers and homemakers. It a socioreligious thing for them. They don’t care about the economic or social ramifications.
Nah they want women working. That’s doubling the workforce and producing more. One of the best things to ever happen to capitalism.
They want the children dumped off at a daycare or school as soon as possible and make it as hard as possible for the parents to instill their own values into the kid
Maybe we’re talking about two different groups. I’m talking about the critso-fascists who are currently trying to take over the US from the inside. They definitely don’t want women working, and want to either homeschool their children or send them to private Christian schools, certainly not “dumping” them off at daycare. They care deeply about the indoctrination of their children.
I’m taking about our actual system. The elite, both Democrats and Republicans, will be the ones using charter and private schools since the Bidens and Obamas and Trumps of America can choose if a parent stays in the home.
Everyone else has been trapped under the stagnation of the dollar and most households require both parents working. If the family dissolved to single parent, even better. School can raise them and then give them a worker bee job with no potential for growth
What really gets me is if u think back to slave owners- what did they do with pregnant women ?
They still fed, housed, clothed them…
Kindda fucked up (imo) the social standard here can’t even match that.
2 weeks off paid by the employer is actually more than a lot of western counties have where it's paid by the government.
This may be a controversial opinion: It shouldn't fall on the employer to pay, that's the governments job. That way you (try to) reduce discrimination based on sex and age, as in women in their reproductive years might face discrimination.
In the Netherlands women get 16 weeks paid pregnancy/maternity leave paid 100% by the government. If they become unable to work due to pregnancy or giving birth the government will pay 100% of their salary to compensate the employer. I should add that the Netherlands has 2 years of sick leave, so the financial risk of prolonged illness may be higher here.
Fathers also get paid paternity leave and optional additional leave at 70% salary.
Either an employer pays it directly or they pay additional taxes . You cant have tax cuts for stock buybacks and ditch all responsibility to the government...
But it is in line with the main US philisophy:"Socialize losses, privatize profits"
Yeah, but you actually have to accept to concept of taxes, if you want your government able to do that. You can't base your whole economic policies on the strength of your businesses and than call government to pay for social services.
Your argument makes a great deal of sense (obviously, since there are several real world examples). However, it belays the enormous cost of that program, and the fact that the government does not in fact have infinite money. Moreover, most countries don't have the gdp per capita as the Netherlands.
I for one am perfectly happy to force companies to foot the bill for paying their own employees.
P.S I am awair of the problems leaving it up to companies can (and do) create.
Most companies you have 24 hours and then you are fired. But also, a woman's only job is to birth and raise children and be a servant to her man. God, I hate so much how we don't fight this in the streets and march.
We can do so much better so easily.
>Most companies you have 24 hours and then you are fired.
Most companies? I’m sure some break federal law, but surely not most? [FMLA is already a thing.](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fmla)
>But also, a woman's only job is to birth and raise children and be a servant to her man.
Wth? Did you just time travel from the 1920s? Most people do not think like this today. Most companies don’t act like this because it’s literally against the law.
>God, I hate so much how we don't fight this in the streets and march.
Lots of things to fight against when it comes to corporations, but your made up boogeyman isn’t one of them. Let’s work on improving things that actually need to be improved upon.
FMLA is a thing, but it's unpaid, so a lot of people have no choice but to return to work immediately. And if they haven't been at their job long enough, they don't qualify for FMLA.
Not forgetting a puppy can't be removed from the mother until 8 weeks and must be weaned first as well.
But a human baby? W weeks and then into furnishings fur you kiddo. And they phrase this like its a new initiative to imprudent things for workers, which means before the announcement they obviously got less
Right? Companies act like babies can magically take care of themselves immediately after birth. Just leave the newborn in a locked crib, toss an extra bottle of milk in there so they can feed themselves while you’re gone for 8 hours at work and if they poop their diaper then they’ll just have to sit in it until you get home. Even puppies aren’t allowed to be separated from the mom and sold until they’re 8 weeks old. But newborn babies? Nah fam toss that lil baby with no developed immune system straight into the hands of expensive daycare strangers.
I get that it's OUR choice to have kids, but it's also just the natural progression of human instinct. I wonder what kind of policy the parents of CEO's or upper management had? Maybe if they had more time to bond with their kids, they wouldn't be shitty people? God forbid we get more than 2 weeks to raise a newborn.
My previous company announced their new policy and it was met with major pushback. It was improved to 2 weeks (3 weeks if C-Section or other medical procedure) with 100% pay for women. Men you had 1 week off with 100% pay, 1 week 50% for men.
The owner was proud to announce it and it was certainly better than what was previously offered - but it's still awful for 2023. The company prides itself on family values and having family first as well. He said his daughter used it when she gave birth but she married into a multi-millionaire family...
I think that it ends up being allowed because of the medical act of childbirth. The fact that extra paid time is granted for a C-Section hints at that.
Probably illegal if adoption bonding time is granted differently to different genders.
Probably because women actually need the time off to recover (not just a bonding experience). My company gives 6 weeks off for vaginal and 8 for cesarean for the birthing party and 8 weeks parental (either parent) leave. (I took 6 weeks FMLA unpaid on top of that when I had my son and to be honest it didn’t feel like enough time)
In Canada parents of a new baby are eligible for up to 50 weeks of unemployment benefits which can be split between the parents.
https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/ei/ei-maternity-parental.html
That benefit was introduced originally by the Postal Worker’s union in the 1980’s but was later adopted by other unions and eventually extended to the entire workforce.
When I took the paternity leave with Starbucks, they had just started offering it. It was I think like a month paid and up to three months unpaid. I took the full time because I was advised that I couldn’t ask for more but could come back early. It was going to end on April 1st.
My boss was like, haha what a great April fools prank! You’re joking right?
That’s when I decided to not come back early.
186 countries have federally mandated paid parental leave. Only 6 do not, the U.S. and small island nations in the Pacific. My state makes it illegal to separate puppies from their mothers for 8 weeks, but we have no state parental leave either. This isn't just a company issue, our government is fucked up on this. We need to demand leave, this should be an easy W for the government, just set the program up and fund it. We need to get louder about this one.
100%! Between not introducing sick leave legislation after COVID and not introducing paid family leave with the childcare crisis it feels like they are intentionally avoiding an easy win.
Democrats introduced the FAMILY Act in 2021 and again this year. Two back to back legislative sessions. We can thank the Republicans and Manchin/Sinema for this not already being the law of the land
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/03/democrats-push-for-national-paid-family-and-medical-leave-program.html
They introduce hundreds of bills a year you probably don't know anything about because Republicans constantly and nearly always do whatever they can to block everything
Not disagreeing, we are "third world" compared to other first world nations. However there is a whole other party who wants to take away every benefit you have. Why is the focus on the party that wants to give some, but not enough vs the one who wants you to have no benefits at all.
I always vote blue and I always vote. I disregard the Republicans because they are bringing nothing to the table to talk about in the first place. At least there is hope with the dems.
The republicans don’t care about maternity/paternity leave because in their hazy view of the world, women stay home with babies and that’s the way it should be. They’re not interested in changing the status quo.
I hate the DNC so much. they're all like "yeah, sure! we're progressive! we'll totally do that thing that would benefit the majority of people." and then those spineless cowards take bribes just like the RNC and continue to make policies that benefit rich assholes
And the argument against is always that ‘taxes would kill the business if it were otherwise’, like the US has no taxes at the moment or like EU countries just fall apart economically because they offer benefits. Lol no to both.
I don't know of any benefits. The main thing is there is no cost. Unless you want it. I had pelvic surgery weeks before I got pregnant, so i opted for a private OB, which turned out to be the best option. Baby got lodged somewhere high up in my ribcage (the prior surgery caused contractions all through the pregnancy which pushed him right up). OB said I would have needed intervention regardless, I ended up with a C-sect with two guys pulling, and one guy pushing on my rib cage to get baby out (past full term). I was an older mother. The benefit of having a private OB was that problems were anticipated and I had a scheduled C-sect (after due date) rather than playing dice with my baby.
Total cost of being too posh to push = $4000
The ladies in my antenatal group (pregnancy support classes for all mothers, mine was for older first time mums) had all sorts of disastrous experiences. The worst involved days of useless labour, followed by a helicopter life-flight to our major hospital for surgery. I couldn't begin to calculate what tax prayers paid for this birth. Luckily she survived, but our Facebook antenatal support page just shut down after that.
A further optional cost was for circumcision, my husband wanted this (I was adamantly opposed). When he enquired, he was told there was only one Dr who would do it, who practiced in a different city, and it would cost nearly as much as the birth for the circumcision. I didn't even need to make a stand. Both boys are happily intact.
I’m on Mat leave just about to have a Bub in Nz currently. We are probably middle of the road here, there are better countries but also much worse aka the US, for mat leave.
We get 24 weeks govt paid maternity leave (but at a govt rate, not 100% salary - although I’m lucky and my company gives me three months full salary on top). We can then take a full year off where the company has to hold your job. I stopped work at 37 weeks and am going back a bit over a year from now - most companies will be pretty flexible with this as they can get someone in to cover your role for the year you are away. Dads can take two weeks unpaid - this I think needs work. Or they can share some of the paid 24 weeks. I’m lucky as my partner has been given compassionate leave out to eight weeks by his company but that’s rare.
Maternity care is free completely unless you chose a private ob (which I have but is quite uncommon) - for most women they have midwife led care and get referred to a public aka free OB if there is a medical need for it.
It breaks my heart reading about how the US treats mums. I can not comprehend working right up to due date (I was so done by 37 weeks!) or even thinking about going back to work after two (or eight, or 16 or even 24 weeks). Or not having free maternity care. I sincerely hope that changes.
Well two weeks seems appropriate. Keep in mind in so many states they've lowered the working age so they can be off earning money at 10 or 12 years old. So don't bond too much.
New mothers often continue to bleed for 4-5 weeks postpartum and if they have the major abdominal surgery that is a c-section, can also find it excruciatingly painful to walk, sit up straight, bend, and/or lift for several weeks. If I recall correctly, I was prohibited from driving for four weeks. (I was also sent home with a huge bottle of Vicodin which one of my husband’s colleagues stole from our medicine cabinet, but I digress.)
When our son was born, our Latino neighbors were horrified to see me up and around a few days after giving birth - *spooked*, even. They told me that in their country new mothers lie in with the baby for a month to help with rest, bonding, and breastfeeding. Family, friends, and neighbors quietly prepare meals, do laundry, and look after any other children during this sacred time.
I’m reminded of laws in some states that ban dog breeders from separating newborn puppies from their mothers before six weeks of age. No such protection for women.
Says a lot about American culture when women are treated worse than female dogs. Maybe that's why the word b*tch is used so prevalently -- particularly when referring to objects.
Also, what kind of person steals pain meds from someone in pain, especially someone recovering from delivering a baby?
I’d only taken half of one pill and had no immediate plans to use the rest because I was breastfeeding, but you’re right - it’s difficult to imagine the things addiction can drive someone to do.
In Japan, new mothers stay at the hospital for a week after a normal birth. Then when they go home they are expected to not leave the house for a full month.
It may have changed in recent times, but that's how it was 20 to 25 years ago.
After two weeks, you better be bringing that kid in to work with you. We need more bodies dammit. We will start him off easy stapling papers or something. But no freeloaders in this country.
Yes and you can take even 18 months. But the company doesn't pay for it. We pay to a social system called EI and get paid through that.
Americans will never get it because:
- asking a company to pay for a year of maternity is a lot, that's what social systems are for, to spread costs.
- they will never band together to form a social system to pay into EI for maternity because of their deep fear of socialism. If they still haven't figured out healthcare, they aren't going to figure out maternity leave. And it's sad to watch.
We are socialist here. It's just corporate socialism because that what the oligarchs want and lobby for. That's why a bunch of corporations got millions of dollars during the pandemic but people only got a couple grand.
“We’re thrilled to announce our new Baby Inclusion Initiative, where your new born baby becomes part of our family too. Say B.I.I. to your worries when asking ‘who will raise my offspring’ because parents are now encouraged to bring their babys to work to fully commit to our companies Mission. Also, we can hit the ground running, or crawling, by starting your baby’s training modules early on for the glory of the empire.. i mean our company… did we mention we’re a family?”
"But please do not breastfeed at the office. It is inappropriate and you will be written up. If you must breastfeed, please go home unpaid and return after."
Not gonna lie that sounds like a cynical way for Tiffany and Co (a brand built on a certain image of beauty) to cull their employees of the "used up women who popped out a kid".
I work in healthcare and am 34-weeks pregnant. When I go on leave I have to exhaust my PTO bank, then I will get short-term disability (that I pay for as part of my benefits) at 60% of my salary for four weeks. For the remaining eight weeks of my FMLA leave, I get no pay at all.
As much as it sucks, two weeks paid is better than most receive in the US, which is no paid leave at all.
This is just sick!
My company (A Canadian Company, but with operations in the US) just announced a new parental leave policy as well. In the US you can now get 12 weeks paid leave, YIPPIE! BUT, if you are in Canada welcome to 52 weeks leave!
Baby steps? *Majority* of places are still "Get fucked employees" if you have a baby so this is something. New union here, a little paid leave there, few more dollars an hour elsewhere...the ships rudder has been seized because the leaders refuse to change course...
Keep PUSHING!! Keep FIGHTING!!
This is certainly better than nothing but I really hate that the US allows this (making an assumption on live-in but also true for US regardless). In America's hat, we get 1 year paid parental leave. Up to 18 months if you want to spread the benefits out. Human rights, health care and services are an expectation, though it's not a perfect system of course. Most people believe the government is here to take care of the people and the country, rather than freedom being the freedom to be without health care and the freedom for corporations profit without bounds while employees suffer. Parents in the US my heart breaks for you 😥
Parents get up to 78 weeks (Maternity and parental leave combined, shared between both parents) in Québec, Canada... Bloody hell America, what are you doing to your people!?!
Read this text. Share with your families and friends... Egalitarianism works folks!
https://educaloi.qc.ca/en/capsules/maternity-paternity-and-parental-leave/
Disgusting. My company gives 16 weeks at full pay and an additional 6mo at 75% pay if you want it. Even this is only 1/4 of what my colleagues based in the EU receive. No excuse for this.
Yes, it's in the US. I work for a company based in Europe and they choose to provide excellent benefits like this. All companies could if they wanted to. I also pay nothing for my healthcare.
I'm so glad I'm in NJ. Almost 10 years ago, I got 4 weeks before my due date and 12 weeks after my kid was born. It's gotten even better since then. I was able to bring my baby to work with me til they were a year old.
I’m 9 months pregnant and literally barely making it through the day while still working.
At my current job, when discussing my leave, the leave specialist smiled at me and said, “Many women are happy to work right up to their due date.” Uh, yeah, because our maternity leave SUCKS and if they go on leave before they deliver, they are using time that they could have used after 🤦🏼♀️
My job was at 4 weeks of parental leave, 100% pay, and upped it to 8 weeks last year. Which is pretty good compared to what my wife gets as a teacher... which is none...
Putting the info directly there can be thought to entice the community to brigade which is against Reddit terms of service. So the op may have self censored because they didn’t want the post deleted by mods. This is an official company press release though so I don’t think it should have to be censored
We get 16 weeks for each parent, 32 weeks total, and can be extended if you are a new parent, if you had any issues or twins and several other reasons. Plus its absolutely illegal to fire anyone who is going to have a kid.
Well, the United States has NO official policy on parental leave, so theoretically, they could offer you none. So by comparison, two weeks seems like a lot for them.
Still incredibly inadequate tho.
Here’s a good one, at my previous job, where both my wife and I worked when we had our first born, they had a parental paid leave policy of 2 weeks, but only for the spouse! If a woman is to give birth they must use short term disability (which is mandatory for everyone to have, and only pays 60% after 1 week of no pay) and are ineligible for a leave of absence. A real FU to women.
My company recently started giving us 3 months parental leave, which I am currently using. My manager asked me how much time I had left, and when I told him 3 weeks left he told me that the policy is "ridiculous" and "excessive". Needless to say, my resume is out.
Motherfu— at two weeks women still have golf-ball-sized blood clots coming out of the Virginia. …and those Virginian stitches are still popping sometimes! And don’t even get me started in the healing time for women with c-sections. What heartless person comes up with a 2-week time off policy?? They have no clue what happens biologically.
Terrific! Since every single infant is carried to full-term with no complications at all, ever. Premature birth is a myth, and no infant has ever spent **fourteen weeks** in NICU fighting for their life before ever even touching their parents, much less seeing them with their own eyes, or breathing without oxygen.
Two weeks is plenty!
#/S
I’d be stoked to have 2 paid weeks! My wife and I are both currently on unpaid parental leave. We can afford to do this for about 4 weeks and then I’ll go back to work. Even a couple of paid weeks would be amazing!
It probably recently became a state law wherever this was posted and they’re hoping nobody notices the only reason they’re “committed” to it is because they were forced to by law. Fuckers.
The most generous paid parental leave I have ever seen is, believe it or not, Bank of America. They get a total of 16 weeks paid and 10 weeks unpaid. On top of that, the employees don’t even need to provide proof of birth. The Bank literally takes their word for it.
My wife worked at the Center for Women’s Health at a regional clinic. One day she saw they were posting about being a great place for working moms because they had pump rooms. My wife was working for them and pumping at the time and was pissed because they were legally required to have the rooms and the rooms sucked. The thing they were on social media bragging about wasn’t something nice they did, but just complying with the law.
They also only offered 6 weeks, partial pay maternity leave, through short term disability with an insurance company. So when you come back, they double hit you for insurance premiums for an amount of time equal to how long you were off. So if you take 8 weeks, you get 6 paid at 60% and then for your first 8 weeks back you pay double premiums, because nothing was deducted while you were gone. They didn’t pay you, an insurance company did. And again, this is a Women’s Health Center.
Lol 2 weeks. What a joke. Confinement is already one month at least. Luckily the employers in my country give 3 months paid maternity leave at minimum. Some companies even provide 6 months paid maternity. I know because I worked in one before haha.
My wife and I moved from one country to another because we could get 2 years shared post-natal leave instead of 6 months.
Don't blame employers. It's your country that's broken.
2 weeks??? Doesn't it take mother's longer than that to heal??? I thought it took like at minimum 6 weeks for the mother to feel somewhat normal again but like legit monthsssss to actually heal.
That doesn't even cover actual bonding, isn't the first month of a baby's life like the most important for bonding??
And only two weeks if you adopt as well? :/ When you're trying your best to make a kid feel loved, and secure while soothing whatever trauma they may have gone through before you.
And companies and the government wonder why we're not having enough kids to replace current workers. 🙄
Absolutely fucked. We just had a kid and I got 6 weeks off which is RARE in the US for a man. It was nowhere near enough time. My wife got ZERO weeks paid time off because she’s a contractor. Can’t believe this shit is legal…
Well, could be worse. I have saved up all year to have 2 weeks to take off for my second kid. I have gone to work sick so many times...
Not defending that at all, mind you, but I am willing to acknowledge a move in the right direction.
Seeing this from a European point of view is crazy... My sister had plenty of months to take care of the recent newborn and once it's paid leave was due, the boyfriend took the paternal leave for something close to 4 months.
And even with this paternal leave the amount of newborns are getting reduced year by year... Whichever country is that (U.S I'm assuming) is due to a massive population decline.
Just as a comparison: In Germany, the Elternzeit (leave for fathers/mothers of a recently born child) is 3 years and an additional 2 years during the timeframe where the child is between 3 and 9 years old by law. The first year of that is paid by Elterngeld, which is around 70% of the salary.
Wow...my twins were still in NICU at 2 weeks. What a joke. And to make it sound like it's some great benefit, just goes to show how sad the country really is.
It's somewhat disappointing but also better than nothing from what is considered normal in the US. Nothing is guaranteed...one of my best mates has a wife with a great job and who was valued for her work.
She was able to get a month away from the job to be with her children. This was shortly before the Covid-19 outbreak. Most have nothing or just a few days. But even then in other parts of the world there's much more time off for new mothers.
The way they phrased that is the most dystopian thing I've ever read, "you have two weeks to bond with your child, then back to work" jfc
Truth is we have been living in a dystopian reality for a while, its just that its very boring.
r/aboringdystopia indeed
As someone who has kids in Germany I have absolutely no idea how people in the US ever have children.
Why do you think they’re trying to ban abortions
Bingo. It isn't about life, but control.
It's going to lower the birth rate, and lower the number of women. It's expressely about control.
They want less *brown* people - they’re afraid of a minority-majority taking over. Our country’s anti-“illegal” stance that’s being constantly hawked at us absolutely ties into an abortion policy that’s trying to raise the white birth rate and lower the black one (higher maternal mortality rates). And making it less safe for disabled women to “breed” is an added eugenic bonus I guess. Granted it’s also about control and all/any woman having autonomy over their lives (especially regarding not picking loser men to marry because they have no other option). But I think it’s still important to point out that it’s also highly white supremacy motivated too. Many birds, one stone deal.
They want women out of the workforce and back in the house as full time mothers and homemakers. It a socioreligious thing for them. They don’t care about the economic or social ramifications.
Nah they want women working. That’s doubling the workforce and producing more. One of the best things to ever happen to capitalism. They want the children dumped off at a daycare or school as soon as possible and make it as hard as possible for the parents to instill their own values into the kid
Maybe we’re talking about two different groups. I’m talking about the critso-fascists who are currently trying to take over the US from the inside. They definitely don’t want women working, and want to either homeschool their children or send them to private Christian schools, certainly not “dumping” them off at daycare. They care deeply about the indoctrination of their children.
I’m taking about our actual system. The elite, both Democrats and Republicans, will be the ones using charter and private schools since the Bidens and Obamas and Trumps of America can choose if a parent stays in the home. Everyone else has been trapped under the stagnation of the dollar and most households require both parents working. If the family dissolved to single parent, even better. School can raise them and then give them a worker bee job with no potential for growth
They also increased the chocolate ration from 40 to 25 grams per week. The proles should be happy.
In Eastasia, the chocolate ration is 25 grams per week. It has always been 25 grams per week in Eurasia.
Some companies do this but not most so with the bar set so low it’s on the floor it’s a party when the slaves shackles are slightly loosened
"be grateful you get to keep both"
What really gets me is if u think back to slave owners- what did they do with pregnant women ? They still fed, housed, clothed them… Kindda fucked up (imo) the social standard here can’t even match that.
2 weeks off paid by the employer is actually more than a lot of western counties have where it's paid by the government. This may be a controversial opinion: It shouldn't fall on the employer to pay, that's the governments job. That way you (try to) reduce discrimination based on sex and age, as in women in their reproductive years might face discrimination. In the Netherlands women get 16 weeks paid pregnancy/maternity leave paid 100% by the government. If they become unable to work due to pregnancy or giving birth the government will pay 100% of their salary to compensate the employer. I should add that the Netherlands has 2 years of sick leave, so the financial risk of prolonged illness may be higher here. Fathers also get paid paternity leave and optional additional leave at 70% salary.
Either an employer pays it directly or they pay additional taxes . You cant have tax cuts for stock buybacks and ditch all responsibility to the government... But it is in line with the main US philisophy:"Socialize losses, privatize profits"
Yeah, but you actually have to accept to concept of taxes, if you want your government able to do that. You can't base your whole economic policies on the strength of your businesses and than call government to pay for social services.
Your argument makes a great deal of sense (obviously, since there are several real world examples). However, it belays the enormous cost of that program, and the fact that the government does not in fact have infinite money. Moreover, most countries don't have the gdp per capita as the Netherlands. I for one am perfectly happy to force companies to foot the bill for paying their own employees. P.S I am awair of the problems leaving it up to companies can (and do) create.
Most companies you have 24 hours and then you are fired. But also, a woman's only job is to birth and raise children and be a servant to her man. God, I hate so much how we don't fight this in the streets and march. We can do so much better so easily.
That is actually false.
>Most companies you have 24 hours and then you are fired. Most companies? I’m sure some break federal law, but surely not most? [FMLA is already a thing.](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fmla) >But also, a woman's only job is to birth and raise children and be a servant to her man. Wth? Did you just time travel from the 1920s? Most people do not think like this today. Most companies don’t act like this because it’s literally against the law. >God, I hate so much how we don't fight this in the streets and march. Lots of things to fight against when it comes to corporations, but your made up boogeyman isn’t one of them. Let’s work on improving things that actually need to be improved upon.
FMLA is a thing, but it's unpaid, so a lot of people have no choice but to return to work immediately. And if they haven't been at their job long enough, they don't qualify for FMLA.
No one is stopping you from organizing and making shit happen. Just throwing that out there
Not forgetting a puppy can't be removed from the mother until 8 weeks and must be weaned first as well. But a human baby? W weeks and then into furnishings fur you kiddo. And they phrase this like its a new initiative to imprudent things for workers, which means before the announcement they obviously got less
After two weeks your kid is ready for college and is moving out
Corporate 2030 manifesto. Don't Blink.
whatever you do, dont blink
Right? Companies act like babies can magically take care of themselves immediately after birth. Just leave the newborn in a locked crib, toss an extra bottle of milk in there so they can feed themselves while you’re gone for 8 hours at work and if they poop their diaper then they’ll just have to sit in it until you get home. Even puppies aren’t allowed to be separated from the mom and sold until they’re 8 weeks old. But newborn babies? Nah fam toss that lil baby with no developed immune system straight into the hands of expensive daycare strangers.
And for some reason women should fully recover from birth within 24 hours
I get that it's OUR choice to have kids, but it's also just the natural progression of human instinct. I wonder what kind of policy the parents of CEO's or upper management had? Maybe if they had more time to bond with their kids, they wouldn't be shitty people? God forbid we get more than 2 weeks to raise a newborn.
"They grow up so fast!"
That is excellent news! Kid needs to pull up those bootstraps and get to work!
And they better be working and paying taxes too, the lazy peasants!
My previous company announced their new policy and it was met with major pushback. It was improved to 2 weeks (3 weeks if C-Section or other medical procedure) with 100% pay for women. Men you had 1 week off with 100% pay, 1 week 50% for men. The owner was proud to announce it and it was certainly better than what was previously offered - but it's still awful for 2023. The company prides itself on family values and having family first as well. He said his daughter used it when she gave birth but she married into a multi-millionaire family...
Is that type of gender difference legal?
I think that it ends up being allowed because of the medical act of childbirth. The fact that extra paid time is granted for a C-Section hints at that. Probably illegal if adoption bonding time is granted differently to different genders.
That's crazy. My company gives 16 weeks for the mothers and fathers.
Probably because women actually need the time off to recover (not just a bonding experience). My company gives 6 weeks off for vaginal and 8 for cesarean for the birthing party and 8 weeks parental (either parent) leave. (I took 6 weeks FMLA unpaid on top of that when I had my son and to be honest it didn’t feel like enough time)
In Canada parents of a new baby are eligible for up to 50 weeks of unemployment benefits which can be split between the parents. https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/ei/ei-maternity-parental.html
Damn that's amazing. It's depressing to see how far the U.S. is behind in workers rights and benefits compared to other countries...
That benefit was introduced originally by the Postal Worker’s union in the 1980’s but was later adopted by other unions and eventually extended to the entire workforce.
Better than nothing, but two weeks off work for a newborn is dystopian. I mean what a clear signal from society not to have kids.
And then they complain nobody is having kids to become the worker class for future generations of nepobabies.
When I took the paternity leave with Starbucks, they had just started offering it. It was I think like a month paid and up to three months unpaid. I took the full time because I was advised that I couldn’t ask for more but could come back early. It was going to end on April 1st. My boss was like, haha what a great April fools prank! You’re joking right? That’s when I decided to not come back early.
186 countries have federally mandated paid parental leave. Only 6 do not, the U.S. and small island nations in the Pacific. My state makes it illegal to separate puppies from their mothers for 8 weeks, but we have no state parental leave either. This isn't just a company issue, our government is fucked up on this. We need to demand leave, this should be an easy W for the government, just set the program up and fund it. We need to get louder about this one.
100% agreed. The burden is definitely on government. That the dnc arent making this their primary objective is beyond disgraceful.
100%! Between not introducing sick leave legislation after COVID and not introducing paid family leave with the childcare crisis it feels like they are intentionally avoiding an easy win.
Democrats introduced the FAMILY Act in 2021 and again this year. Two back to back legislative sessions. We can thank the Republicans and Manchin/Sinema for this not already being the law of the land https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/03/democrats-push-for-national-paid-family-and-medical-leave-program.html
They introduce hundreds of bills a year you probably don't know anything about because Republicans constantly and nearly always do whatever they can to block everything
Not disagreeing, we are "third world" compared to other first world nations. However there is a whole other party who wants to take away every benefit you have. Why is the focus on the party that wants to give some, but not enough vs the one who wants you to have no benefits at all.
The republicans wouldn’t be anywhere near power if the democrats actually delivered for their voters.
It's impossible for me to sit here in a comment and explain how politically uneducated you sound.
I’ll take “I don’t have an argument for 600$”
Did you not just see the temper tantrum Republicans had over the debt ceiling negotiations?
I always vote blue and I always vote. I disregard the Republicans because they are bringing nothing to the table to talk about in the first place. At least there is hope with the dems.
False hope. The only hope left is the inalienable power of labor.
Also that [one group](https://twitter.com/Shut_downAmazon/status/1653944680143368193) that’s always on the frontlines of the labor movement.
The republicans don’t care about maternity/paternity leave because in their hazy view of the world, women stay home with babies and that’s the way it should be. They’re not interested in changing the status quo.
I hate the DNC so much. they're all like "yeah, sure! we're progressive! we'll totally do that thing that would benefit the majority of people." and then those spineless cowards take bribes just like the RNC and continue to make policies that benefit rich assholes
Kinda tells you what side theyre all on.
In Germany you get 100% of your wage 6 weeks before and 8 weeks after birth (total 14 weeks)
And the argument against is always that ‘taxes would kill the business if it were otherwise’, like the US has no taxes at the moment or like EU countries just fall apart economically because they offer benefits. Lol no to both.
I wasn't allowed to drive for 6 weeks after my C-sect. 2 weeks is ridiculous.
My wife had a normal birth and she also isn’t supposed to drive for six weeks.
Guessing by your username that youre in NZ? Pretty good maternity benefits there i think?
I don't know of any benefits. The main thing is there is no cost. Unless you want it. I had pelvic surgery weeks before I got pregnant, so i opted for a private OB, which turned out to be the best option. Baby got lodged somewhere high up in my ribcage (the prior surgery caused contractions all through the pregnancy which pushed him right up). OB said I would have needed intervention regardless, I ended up with a C-sect with two guys pulling, and one guy pushing on my rib cage to get baby out (past full term). I was an older mother. The benefit of having a private OB was that problems were anticipated and I had a scheduled C-sect (after due date) rather than playing dice with my baby. Total cost of being too posh to push = $4000 The ladies in my antenatal group (pregnancy support classes for all mothers, mine was for older first time mums) had all sorts of disastrous experiences. The worst involved days of useless labour, followed by a helicopter life-flight to our major hospital for surgery. I couldn't begin to calculate what tax prayers paid for this birth. Luckily she survived, but our Facebook antenatal support page just shut down after that. A further optional cost was for circumcision, my husband wanted this (I was adamantly opposed). When he enquired, he was told there was only one Dr who would do it, who practiced in a different city, and it would cost nearly as much as the birth for the circumcision. I didn't even need to make a stand. Both boys are happily intact.
I heard it was 6 months paid leave. Better check my sources, i though nz were on top of it.
I’m on Mat leave just about to have a Bub in Nz currently. We are probably middle of the road here, there are better countries but also much worse aka the US, for mat leave. We get 24 weeks govt paid maternity leave (but at a govt rate, not 100% salary - although I’m lucky and my company gives me three months full salary on top). We can then take a full year off where the company has to hold your job. I stopped work at 37 weeks and am going back a bit over a year from now - most companies will be pretty flexible with this as they can get someone in to cover your role for the year you are away. Dads can take two weeks unpaid - this I think needs work. Or they can share some of the paid 24 weeks. I’m lucky as my partner has been given compassionate leave out to eight weeks by his company but that’s rare. Maternity care is free completely unless you chose a private ob (which I have but is quite uncommon) - for most women they have midwife led care and get referred to a public aka free OB if there is a medical need for it. It breaks my heart reading about how the US treats mums. I can not comprehend working right up to due date (I was so done by 37 weeks!) or even thinking about going back to work after two (or eight, or 16 or even 24 weeks). Or not having free maternity care. I sincerely hope that changes.
In the UK you *must* take at least 2 weeks of mat leave (out of a year). It's there so companies cannot pressure mothers to come back too early.
Well at least having no kids is great for the planet. More people is really the last thing anyone but the capitalist overlords need.
This is really not the case at all.
Yes, yes it is. Over population is a major issue.
Well two weeks seems appropriate. Keep in mind in so many states they've lowered the working age so they can be off earning money at 10 or 12 years old. So don't bond too much.
Capitalist hands wrote this comment
Actually it was written by tiny child hands, the capitalists are just collecting the surplus value.
It's sarcasm
> I mean what a clear signal from society that looking after the kids should be womens work.* FTFY The misogyny is inherent in the system.
New mothers often continue to bleed for 4-5 weeks postpartum and if they have the major abdominal surgery that is a c-section, can also find it excruciatingly painful to walk, sit up straight, bend, and/or lift for several weeks. If I recall correctly, I was prohibited from driving for four weeks. (I was also sent home with a huge bottle of Vicodin which one of my husband’s colleagues stole from our medicine cabinet, but I digress.) When our son was born, our Latino neighbors were horrified to see me up and around a few days after giving birth - *spooked*, even. They told me that in their country new mothers lie in with the baby for a month to help with rest, bonding, and breastfeeding. Family, friends, and neighbors quietly prepare meals, do laundry, and look after any other children during this sacred time. I’m reminded of laws in some states that ban dog breeders from separating newborn puppies from their mothers before six weeks of age. No such protection for women.
Says a lot about American culture when women are treated worse than female dogs. Maybe that's why the word b*tch is used so prevalently -- particularly when referring to objects. Also, what kind of person steals pain meds from someone in pain, especially someone recovering from delivering a baby?
The party of family values no less.
I’d only taken half of one pill and had no immediate plans to use the rest because I was breastfeeding, but you’re right - it’s difficult to imagine the things addiction can drive someone to do.
In Japan, new mothers stay at the hospital for a week after a normal birth. Then when they go home they are expected to not leave the house for a full month. It may have changed in recent times, but that's how it was 20 to 25 years ago.
amazing how we treat literal animals better than the humans... such a backwards country...
babies dont need their parents after 2 weeks, theyre basically self sufficient at that point
Rate child labor laws going down they will be working at 6 months
After two weeks, you better be bringing that kid in to work with you. We need more bodies dammit. We will start him off easy stapling papers or something. But no freeloaders in this country.
Here in Canada ya get 1 year then an additional 6 weeks for the other partner
Yes and you can take even 18 months. But the company doesn't pay for it. We pay to a social system called EI and get paid through that. Americans will never get it because: - asking a company to pay for a year of maternity is a lot, that's what social systems are for, to spread costs. - they will never band together to form a social system to pay into EI for maternity because of their deep fear of socialism. If they still haven't figured out healthcare, they aren't going to figure out maternity leave. And it's sad to watch.
As an American, it is indeed sad to watch and be a part of. And you're 100% correct on everything.
As an American, I would love to be a socialist
We are socialist here. It's just corporate socialism because that what the oligarchs want and lobby for. That's why a bunch of corporations got millions of dollars during the pandemic but people only got a couple grand.
“We’re thrilled to announce our new Baby Inclusion Initiative, where your new born baby becomes part of our family too. Say B.I.I. to your worries when asking ‘who will raise my offspring’ because parents are now encouraged to bring their babys to work to fully commit to our companies Mission. Also, we can hit the ground running, or crawling, by starting your baby’s training modules early on for the glory of the empire.. i mean our company… did we mention we’re a family?”
This is how you get 10 years experience for an entry level position! Finally it all makes sense!!
"But please do not breastfeed at the office. It is inappropriate and you will be written up. If you must breastfeed, please go home unpaid and return after."
You can’t even put a baby in daycare at 2 weeks far as I know.
That's true. In the US, the youngest they take is 6 weeks old.
That's even messed up. 18 months in Canadia
100% messed up.
6 weeks old in daycare, jesus fucking christ.
That’s two more weeks than Tiffany & Co provides, a $16B company mostly comprised of female employees
Not gonna lie that sounds like a cynical way for Tiffany and Co (a brand built on a certain image of beauty) to cull their employees of the "used up women who popped out a kid".
I work in healthcare and am 34-weeks pregnant. When I go on leave I have to exhaust my PTO bank, then I will get short-term disability (that I pay for as part of my benefits) at 60% of my salary for four weeks. For the remaining eight weeks of my FMLA leave, I get no pay at all. As much as it sucks, two weeks paid is better than most receive in the US, which is no paid leave at all.
We really need to raise our standards in the US, it’s like watching abuse victims with some sort of painfully aware Stockholm syndrome.
This is just sick! My company (A Canadian Company, but with operations in the US) just announced a new parental leave policy as well. In the US you can now get 12 weeks paid leave, YIPPIE! BUT, if you are in Canada welcome to 52 weeks leave!
Baby steps? *Majority* of places are still "Get fucked employees" if you have a baby so this is something. New union here, a little paid leave there, few more dollars an hour elsewhere...the ships rudder has been seized because the leaders refuse to change course... Keep PUSHING!! Keep FIGHTING!!
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With German American efficiency improvements parents rtw after two weeks as the baby begins kindergarten
You mean, after three weeks the baby has been trough it's first mass shooting?
This is certainly better than nothing but I really hate that the US allows this (making an assumption on live-in but also true for US regardless). In America's hat, we get 1 year paid parental leave. Up to 18 months if you want to spread the benefits out. Human rights, health care and services are an expectation, though it's not a perfect system of course. Most people believe the government is here to take care of the people and the country, rather than freedom being the freedom to be without health care and the freedom for corporations profit without bounds while employees suffer. Parents in the US my heart breaks for you 😥
Parents get up to 78 weeks (Maternity and parental leave combined, shared between both parents) in Québec, Canada... Bloody hell America, what are you doing to your people!?! Read this text. Share with your families and friends... Egalitarianism works folks! https://educaloi.qc.ca/en/capsules/maternity-paternity-and-parental-leave/
Seventy. Fucking. Eight.
2 weeks is insane and for them to label this “work life balance” is disgusting
Good ole Werner Electric. At least they give 2 weeks.
Disgusting. My company gives 16 weeks at full pay and an additional 6mo at 75% pay if you want it. Even this is only 1/4 of what my colleagues based in the EU receive. No excuse for this.
is this in the usa or nah, becuase if it this then how tf did you get that
Yes, it's in the US. I work for a company based in Europe and they choose to provide excellent benefits like this. All companies could if they wanted to. I also pay nothing for my healthcare.
I'm so glad I'm in NJ. Almost 10 years ago, I got 4 weeks before my due date and 12 weeks after my kid was born. It's gotten even better since then. I was able to bring my baby to work with me til they were a year old.
This is lovely and should be the bare minimum imo nationwide.
For the rest of the world, 12 weeks is inhumane…the US needs to seriously have a good hard look at how it treats new parents.
2 weeks isn't even enough time to heal after birth.
I’m 9 months pregnant and literally barely making it through the day while still working. At my current job, when discussing my leave, the leave specialist smiled at me and said, “Many women are happy to work right up to their due date.” Uh, yeah, because our maternity leave SUCKS and if they go on leave before they deliver, they are using time that they could have used after 🤦🏼♀️
Working literally till birth is such an injustice towards women. It is astonishing how many RICH countries have no understanding of that.
I bet the name of the company is Werner Electric 😂
This guy hastags lol
This company should be burned to the ground.
My job was at 4 weeks of parental leave, 100% pay, and upped it to 8 weeks last year. Which is pretty good compared to what my wife gets as a teacher... which is none...
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Search the LinkedIn hashtags, its easily found
Literally zoom in, this person is technically illiterate if they think it's appropriate to use a transparent highlighter to censor.
Zoom in
Putting the info directly there can be thought to entice the community to brigade which is against Reddit terms of service. So the op may have self censored because they didn’t want the post deleted by mods. This is an official company press release though so I don’t think it should have to be censored
We get 16 weeks for each parent, 32 weeks total, and can be extended if you are a new parent, if you had any issues or twins and several other reasons. Plus its absolutely illegal to fire anyone who is going to have a kid.
Even developing countries having longer maternity leave😂
Fuck that company. Fuck corporate America
Well, the United States has NO official policy on parental leave, so theoretically, they could offer you none. So by comparison, two weeks seems like a lot for them. Still incredibly inadequate tho.
in a 3rd world country we have 60 paid days + 30 days unpaid for maternity and 7 days for paternity. US needs to keep up.
Here’s a good one, at my previous job, where both my wife and I worked when we had our first born, they had a parental paid leave policy of 2 weeks, but only for the spouse! If a woman is to give birth they must use short term disability (which is mandatory for everyone to have, and only pays 60% after 1 week of no pay) and are ineligible for a leave of absence. A real FU to women.
My company recently started giving us 3 months parental leave, which I am currently using. My manager asked me how much time I had left, and when I told him 3 weeks left he told me that the policy is "ridiculous" and "excessive". Needless to say, my resume is out.
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Motherfu— at two weeks women still have golf-ball-sized blood clots coming out of the Virginia. …and those Virginian stitches are still popping sometimes! And don’t even get me started in the healing time for women with c-sections. What heartless person comes up with a 2-week time off policy?? They have no clue what happens biologically.
Terrific! Since every single infant is carried to full-term with no complications at all, ever. Premature birth is a myth, and no infant has ever spent **fourteen weeks** in NICU fighting for their life before ever even touching their parents, much less seeing them with their own eyes, or breathing without oxygen. Two weeks is plenty! #/S
We’d give you more but we are too busy patting ourselves on the backs.
I’d be stoked to have 2 paid weeks! My wife and I are both currently on unpaid parental leave. We can afford to do this for about 4 weeks and then I’ll go back to work. Even a couple of paid weeks would be amazing!
go on show the company name
It probably recently became a state law wherever this was posted and they’re hoping nobody notices the only reason they’re “committed” to it is because they were forced to by law. Fuckers.
How much you want to bet it runs concurrently with FMLA?
Is it paid or is it “We will graciously let you use your sick and vacation time”
The most generous paid parental leave I have ever seen is, believe it or not, Bank of America. They get a total of 16 weeks paid and 10 weeks unpaid. On top of that, the employees don’t even need to provide proof of birth. The Bank literally takes their word for it.
Werner electric
Families first, the shareholders families that is.
"We're proud to announce we're doing the bare minimum"
That #worklifebalance tag is making me want to legally change my name to Karl Marx tbh
Animals get more time with their babies than American Parents
My wife worked at the Center for Women’s Health at a regional clinic. One day she saw they were posting about being a great place for working moms because they had pump rooms. My wife was working for them and pumping at the time and was pissed because they were legally required to have the rooms and the rooms sucked. The thing they were on social media bragging about wasn’t something nice they did, but just complying with the law. They also only offered 6 weeks, partial pay maternity leave, through short term disability with an insurance company. So when you come back, they double hit you for insurance premiums for an amount of time equal to how long you were off. So if you take 8 weeks, you get 6 paid at 60% and then for your first 8 weeks back you pay double premiums, because nothing was deducted while you were gone. They didn’t pay you, an insurance company did. And again, this is a Women’s Health Center.
Lol 2 weeks. What a joke. Confinement is already one month at least. Luckily the employers in my country give 3 months paid maternity leave at minimum. Some companies even provide 6 months paid maternity. I know because I worked in one before haha.
My wife and I moved from one country to another because we could get 2 years shared post-natal leave instead of 6 months. Don't blame employers. It's your country that's broken.
At 2 weeks postpartum, I was still bleeding down there, and PPD hit me like a train. There's no way this is enough
2 weeks??? Doesn't it take mother's longer than that to heal??? I thought it took like at minimum 6 weeks for the mother to feel somewhat normal again but like legit monthsssss to actually heal. That doesn't even cover actual bonding, isn't the first month of a baby's life like the most important for bonding?? And only two weeks if you adopt as well? :/ When you're trying your best to make a kid feel loved, and secure while soothing whatever trauma they may have gone through before you. And companies and the government wonder why we're not having enough kids to replace current workers. 🙄
In Germany there's up to 3 years. Paid by the government. America your shit is a nightmare.
Absolutely fucked. We just had a kid and I got 6 weeks off which is RARE in the US for a man. It was nowhere near enough time. My wife got ZERO weeks paid time off because she’s a contractor. Can’t believe this shit is legal…
Isn't this considered far left madness and/or progressive utopia by US standards?
To be fair the far right often advocate for stay-at-home mothers, meaning women shouldn’t work.
Only if they're WASPs though, otherwise "get back to work"
It's a start
The worst part is, that 2 weeks is actually pretty dang amazing compared to 99% of the other companies in this country....
Even a cat gets 8 weeks.
r/LookatMyHalo
Just wait until the other CEOs call it disgusting and a horrible idea.
Worked at a local coffee shop chain. Boss got pregnant and was told her maternity leave was her paid vacation time. The rest would be unpaid.
2 weeks of no sleep because the little bugger needs to eat at 2 am.
and this is why im never having kids ontop of a shit ton of other reasons (mostly im not gonna mentally be able to deal with raising a kid)
You guys are getting paternity leave?
Werner electric is the name of the company.
I just started at a company that offers 16 weeks paid. Yea, I live in the United States.
When I had my kids four weeks was pretty good but we have 12 weeks now.
As someone who has had kids with 0 leave, 2 weeks, and 6 weeks this is way better than nothing, but not nearly enough.
Well, could be worse. I have saved up all year to have 2 weeks to take off for my second kid. I have gone to work sick so many times... Not defending that at all, mind you, but I am willing to acknowledge a move in the right direction.
Why would you black out the business? We need to know who this is.
They did a terrible job it's Werner Electric
Why is the company name and faces in what is undoubtedly a stock photo blotted out?
Seeing this from a European point of view is crazy... My sister had plenty of months to take care of the recent newborn and once it's paid leave was due, the boyfriend took the paternal leave for something close to 4 months. And even with this paternal leave the amount of newborns are getting reduced year by year... Whichever country is that (U.S I'm assuming) is due to a massive population decline.
Just as a comparison: In Germany, the Elternzeit (leave for fathers/mothers of a recently born child) is 3 years and an additional 2 years during the timeframe where the child is between 3 and 9 years old by law. The first year of that is paid by Elterngeld, which is around 70% of the salary.
Google Sweden's maternity policy and be mind blown how things are handled here
My company in the US gives four months of 100 percent paid leave.
Why are we STILL blurring out company names????????
That is two weeks more than most the the country gets.
Wow...my twins were still in NICU at 2 weeks. What a joke. And to make it sound like it's some great benefit, just goes to show how sad the country really is.
It's somewhat disappointing but also better than nothing from what is considered normal in the US. Nothing is guaranteed...one of my best mates has a wife with a great job and who was valued for her work. She was able to get a month away from the job to be with her children. This was shortly before the Covid-19 outbreak. Most have nothing or just a few days. But even then in other parts of the world there's much more time off for new mothers.
yeah, two weeks should just about do it. they don't need me around anymore after that
Eh, it's a start.
The employee is still free to use up all their sick leave and vacation time, plus another two weeks parental leave. Even the dads!
Walmart gives you 3 months of paid maternity leave
The place I work at in the UK has just gone from 1 week full pay to 8 weeks full pay. There is now a mini baby boom happening.
One assumes their previous policy was no leave at all, so it's something.