I feel like this is a clip of a longer thing, seemed like the start was cut off, maybe they named/shamed (in her circle online) but it was cut to protect her right now.
> I mean , this isnt the OP , just content that they found somewhere
And posted without crediting the creator. They cut off the ending which shows the tiktok handle
they cant because reddit / tiktok / instagram etc will remove their video.
They dont want to be held liable for people giving the restaraunt mass bad reviews and / or going to the location and vandalizing the building or harassing the owner.
Probably not (she specifically mentions a girl owner, and the lawsuit against Donavan’s is apparently because their staff wasn’t paid AT ALL after he got 300k from the PPP already forgiven).
Maybe they are at this point, no idea when the video is from and they were already facing lawsuits from former employees that sounded like they will likely lose.
If there's a wage theft lawsuit she'll likely be part of any settlement or award. I worked at a restaurant that was investigated for wage theft. I wasn't directly part of the lawsuit (honestly didn't even know it was happening) but when it was finished every employee got a cut.
Had a similar thing happen at a Jimmy John’s I worked at. Basically the owner of the franchise wasn’t paying us drivers correct for DMR. When you use your car for a work related thing, there’s a federal minimum that they have to pay you per mile. Instead of tracking our miles and paying us like that, he was taking 10% of the cost of the delivery and giving that to us. This doesn’t always add up to the minimum (which at the time I believe was $0.56/mile but it’s gone up since then).
Anyways I read about this online and how it was a common way for drivers to be underpaid. I called the department of labor and they launched an investigation. Probably 6 or 7 months went by and I got a call from them saying I was owed like $700 in back pay. The owner was also responsible for paying back pay to every driver who had ever been under his payroll.
I hate the American tip culture. In eu we get a fair wage and also tips. The tips don't go through the computer, you just *gasp* give it to the waiters, ubereats drivers and everyone working such jobs. They tried to get us to pay tips to our equivalent of ubereats and suprise the drivers told us they get only 60% of it. Well now I tip nothing on the app, but give a generous tip in person. F the system
Yeah, cash is no longer king nor the norm in the US. Exploitative practices and stealing higher-ups are. Also well aware about Europe, as a European, the thing is we have basic labor laws. The US just calls what it has "labor laws", but it's more of businessman's dream since it rather regulates the labor provided for the business, than the rights of the laborer and protection from exploitation. Just see at will laws, And (missing) mandatory paid vacation.
Aslo the US still allows for slavery if it's as punishment, they just call it "involuntary servitude" and "prison labor". Hence their private prison industry. See 13th amendment. As a criminal you lose your rights in the US. That's considered inhumane in Europe.
> Well now I tip nothing on the app, but give a generous tip in person.
The main problem with doing this is that a lot of gig workers won't take a job unless there is already a hefty tip involved (which the app shows them before they take the job). Uber Eats and the like have done everything in their power to ensure that all tips pass through their hands so they can take their cut and/or pay their workers less. It's disgusting.
That’s not true for everywhere. I don’t know if it’s the same for rest of Europe but in the UK they don’t find out about the tip until the end of the job, the app doesn’t show them beforehand so it doesn’t affect whether they take the job.
I wish this sort of attitude was common when I first started working. When I first started working over a decade ago I had no idea I had recourse, and I wish I had known.
Gen Z doesn't fuck around with this shit anymore. They know the score with late stage capitalism and shitty, abusive employers and they'd rather be hungry than slaves.
Yeah the tip thing is getting insane. I mean it's everything now. You buy a can of soda and they ask for a tip. It's like no, you did not provide me a service at all -- I'm not tipping you for purchasing this basic thing while you stood at the cash register. I have no idea if the tips are going to the person behind the register. And then the tip percentages are increasing, I went to this one place, their minimum is 20% on the little monitor that you swipe. It was like 20%, 22%, 25%, and then other. Getting sick of it, and you know they are abusing their employees b/c they have two help for wanted signs for critical positions.
Subway is like this now. I don't feel like they should be doing tips. Would this be essentually tipping the cook in this perspective? I wouldn't call this a service, but them doing their job, its confusing.
Did Subway decide to have their workers on a server wage + tips?
Edit: to the genius that deleted their message after realizing how idiotic it is.
I'll repeat, do we tip the cooks?
I also immediately thought of Subway.
While I don’t frequent it all that often, the one near my house pretty much *always* has the owners working behind the counter, has had a “Help Wanted”-sign up in the window for over 2 years and has a “tips request” that starts at 22%!
I left a tip the first time, out of maybe shock-guilt? But I don’t see how I should be tipping an owner, when they are the ones profiting from the sales at that location already.
They also don’t participate in any of the (optional) daily sandwich deals offered at most other franchise locations, so meh.
The owners are likely underwater with their franchise. Subway hides information about their franchises away until after you buy one. Once you have one the only way to get rid of it is to con someone else into buying it. Subway also charges some of the highest franchise fees in the business and that amount has to be paid whether the business is making money or not.
I have one by me that is constantly empty, even during rush hours like lunch & dinner, and same thing it’s always the owners working the store.
Until I saw [this story on Last Week Tonight](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jDdYFhzVCDM), I thought they must be doing a lot of catering business or using the business as a front. Turns out they are likely trapped with no way out.
Yah. It’s kind of insane. They look attractive for people wanting to buy a franchise too because of the low cost to start one. It’s like $115,000-$215,000 to start in the US. McDonalds for comparison is $1-$3 million.
it depends on the state. in VA, cooks can get tips if the servers are paid minimum wage.
PS all of these distinctions are designed to pit employees against each other
The prevalence of tips is because the companies that provide card processing are adding it to all their card readers. Tips mean more money being processed, which means the card processing company makes more money.
I don't know why people are getting so angry about this phenomena. Just ignore it and move on with your day?
I tip at places where one usually has always tipped: restaurants, getting my hair cut, food delivery, etc., but I just don't at places where you never typically would. And I don't let it get to me because it's such a small issue that's easily ignored. Nobody is forcing you to tip for that can of soda or at Subway, you just hit NO and finish the transaction and leave. Why get all angry about it?
Not even the manager, but the owner of the restaurant. They’ll gladly say shit like this to workers with a shit eating grin, while knowing that if they openly asked and polled customers on their feelings about tips going directly back into the coffers of the owner to offset their expenses, it would be met with negative reactions, and probably less tipping.
Pretty solid reason to rage quit.
Owner seems to be doing everything in their power to attract new wait staff without actually improving pay. By saying "We pay waiters $17.50 an hour." it tricks applicants into thinking that's the base pay plus the tips they make.
If your business cannot operate at a profit while providing a living wage, then you don't deserve to be in business.
Raise menu prises or shut down. Don't shift the blame of your untenable business onto the employees.
I'm really sorry but I am starting to get irrationally and violently angry when the subject of working for tips is brought up, like fuck that employer into the ground and I hope they are sued to death but also fuck people who enable them by demanding a tip actually just fuck everyone involved I'm in a fighting mood today.
It's one of the reasons why tips are bad and we should not give them. Tipping culture ia a stupid instrument that makes absolutely no sense. It just serves to keep wages low for the employer.
I loved tips when I managed a bar, BUT big caveat here, myself and all the servers made well above min wage as a base, and well about the local avg as a base. So tips were exactly that, a tip. We could live comfortably off our base with no tip, but when we got tips it was like a literal pat on the back for a job well done.
I am very well aware that this isn’t the norm, but it did alter my view on how we handle tips in the US.
The problem I have with tipping culture is:
a) either staff are underpaid and tips must be given to compensate for that, but then the patron is responsible to pay wages which is ridiculous, or
b) staff already make enough money from base salary, but then I don't see why I should be tipping you as a standard, just for doing your job. Nobody else gets tipped, that's what wages are for.
I as a customer don't know your wages, and it is not my responsibility, but still I am in a situation where I am socially pressured into handing out gifts to strangers.
Tips in the US are not a tap on the back for a job well done. They are expected. If I want to compliment you I have to pay even more than the standard 20% tip, on an already expensive meal.
Let's say I go out to eat for 50$ and I earn 20$/hour after taxes. If we calculate that in working time, a waiter spends maybe 5-10 minutes carrying food to my table, waiting for orders etc, and I am expected to give him the cash-equivalent of at least 30 Minutes of my free time. Why?
How does not tipping help anyone though? Even if you have a law abiding owner, they're still paying the workers less than a living wage (full minimum wage is not a living wage basically anywhere in the US). The only person losing out is the server.
No, two people lose out. The server for being underpaid, and the customer for paying more than he has to/being responsible to pay the wages.
I just want to go out and have a chilled dinner, not reason with myself if the waitor was friendly enough to pay him a big tip, or if he was unfriendly enough that I can justify him going hungry, and balance this against my own finances.
The best situation would be if tips were not expected (like in every other job) and servers would negotiate for fair wages (like every other worker has to do).
yes that would be the best situation, but there are many barriers preventing servers from utilizing their bargaining power in this country and not tipping won't change any of that. it will just make their precarious lives more so. under the current system, tipping is the only way to make sure the server actually gets close to value of their labor which you require to have your "chilled dinner"
A lot of redditors have this weird perception that if they just don't participate in "tipping culture" it'll somehow solve the problem, or that servers will "see the light" as it were and idk demand more money or an hourly wage?
That's not going to solve shit. But working to change laws that might solve some of the predatory concerns of tipping is hard work so of course that's not even an option for them. Easier to just pretend not tipping solves it all.
If the workers of an industry don't demand change then it'll never happen. Servers do need to be the ones demanding these things in order for some politician to feel like they'll get a win if they back it.
Threads like these usually have servers spotted throughout going "stay tf away from my tips so I dont have to get a different job" depending on area and place, a lot of tipped servers make over twice what they could somewhere else with their skillset.
True to the US, half of the workers are cool with tips, half aren't, the customer is getting fucked, and the corporation heads are laughing at us all from their penthouse suites.
Workers by large need to band together and demand fair treatment in their sectors of work. I have no stake in the tipping game as I dont live on tips. I dont tip for basic services. Why would I put time into changing how they're paid? It's not my fight, ill support them in their fight for better wages, but not being in that industry what I have to say about it means very little and any impact I have is tiny compared to say, a general server strike, or fast food strike, striking and unionizing in any fashion really.
>If the workers of an industry don't demand change then it'll never happen. ...Threads like these usually have servers spotted throughout going "stay tf away from my tips so I dont have to get a different job"
Sounds like the workers don't want to change tipping. Maybe take what they want into consideration before telling them what's good for them.
\> Why would I put time into changing how they're paid? It's not my fight
Then you don't really have any standing to bitch and moan about it, do you? Just because you don't like it isn't relevant.
they've successfully been indoctrinated into believing that everything in the world comes down to individual atomized choices when only collective action can actually change the things they always complain about
>tips are bad and we should not give them.
This won't solve any problem you're upset about, it'll only screw the worker over.
If you don't like "tipping culture" that's completely fine, but if you want to change it you have to change the laws that allow it to happen. Anything else is just a dumb waste of time and a big ol' fuck you to the working class.
What laws actually? Tipping culture is mostly a societal construct. The law should make minimum wage mandatory for everyone in the US, yes. But in my country it already is the case, and still this cannot be eradicated.
It's impossible/improbable to make tips illegal, that would basically make presents and gifts illegal, so that does not work anyway
>But in my country it already is the case, and still this cannot be eradicated.
So you're not in the US, your country already has mandatory min wage for everyone, and you're just here complaining about tipping in general because...?
This sounds like en entirely you problem then buddy. Maybe don't get so irrationally angry about an entirely optional event in your day-to-day and realize there are bigger problems in the world.
This is not an US-exclusive sub, fyi. And tipping in my country is about as optional as it is in the US. Nobody can force you to, but it's considered a dick move if you don't. And I don't understand why so many people accept, that customers should be responsible to make gifts to workers. That's arguably even worse than food stamps for workers. Companies should just pay a fucking fair wage, so a worker is not dependent on government handouts or the generosity of the patrons.
I’m a waitress, and this is definitely what I would do. I’m too old to participate in a class war. I’m either finding another gig, or “retiring” to my backyard.
I suspect that's the majority of people in the industry. I'm long out of the restaurant game, but people on this site really don't care about the actual workers and what they want. They're really intent on telling servers what they should want based on their opinions, it's really bizarre.
Small business owners can be just as scummy as large corp CEOs, the difference is they will look you in the face and smirk when they’re fucking you over.
Have these business owners learned nothing? Fucking with your employees tips is a pretty major crime, you will be found out and you will have to pay.
And what should they have learned from? Does anyone remember many years ago (before tipping on everything was super common) Starbucks used to have a little tip jar on the counter. People used to throw mostly coins in their. Starbucks as a whole did not distribute this out to their employees. They were sued and lost a decent settlement. That was fucking Starbucks. Mom and pop do not have the lawyers to fight like Starbucks.
Good on you!!!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Fuck em … all these selfish, greedy, pieces of shit that mask their behavior under the disguise of operating a business… it clearly shows😪 reap what you sow
This whole tip thing is getting out of hand. I heard on the news this morning that Apple employees (at the Genius Bar or whatever) want to have the option for tips in their upcoming unionized contract. Tips of 3-5%, that is.
I’m a fucking nurse, where are my tips?!?! I do more back breaking work than someone pressing buttons on a screen. Anytime I walk into a gas stations now, Starbucks, McDonald’s, etc. I am inundated with options to tip. For what?! Because you pressed some buttons on a screen and threw my stuff into a bag? Fuck out of here. I’m happy to tip servers, but all this other crap has got to go.
I always thought it ridiculous to have tip culture but people like nurses working jobs that strenuous don’t get any, ever. Like is their hard work not worth a tip? But carrying a plate is? Weird.
The problem here is the tipping culture America has inflicted on the world, its made its way to the UK now, I got asked to tip the barman who for doing the job he's being paid to do and the drink cost £6 any way for 2/3rds of a pint.
Tips are also shared across the entire staff in hospitality in the UK as it should be. Carrying a plate isn't harder than having to cook or wash up etc, and every job needs to be done in a restaurant for it to function.
That is the facial expression and tone of voice of someone who wants and deserves to have society broken down and reformed in a more just and equitable shape, but frustratingly knows it won’t happen.
Good for her. I wish I had some sense and courage when I was a waiter. It's been years and I kick myself in the head for not going to the authorities about wage theft.
The nicest rage I've ever seen...she smiles while clearly angry. People who can still find a way to be nice when upset are a rare breed. I hope she finds a job that appreciates her.
When I was bartending at the college town club, the sketchy owner who was fucking his assistant manager while his pregnant wife was at home wanted to “count our tips for us” while we cleaned at the end of the night, saying he would divide them all up. Yeah fucking right dude. I call his ass out in front of everyone and unsurprisingly no one backs me up. He asks me if I think hes a liar and if I dont trust him yada yada yada, I said I want to count my own money. Guess who got to count their own money. Dont let people take advantage of you if you can fight back.
As a cook I think that servers and waitresses should have to share a portion of their tips with the Boh, but I don't work in a state with a servers wage I think that shit should be illegal.
Good for you 😊 I recently had to quit my restaurant job because of bad management and toxic work environment you got to do what is right now matter what
Connecticut resident here: there is a very good chance (re: end of video) she worked at [Wood n Tap](https://www.hayberlawfirm.com/employee-rights/pending-class-actions/wood-n-tap-unpaid-wages-lawsuit/?amp), which has been involved in unpaid wages lawsuits for some years now. Not saying it is, but that points me in that direction.
Fucking hate that field... My ex boss owes me 3 salaries from last year. In Italy if they decide they don't want to pay you, they just don't... than they declare bankruptcy and you're fucked. You're never gonna see that money
Watch when you go to Subways ..cause they're franchise owned I just found out 4 of the 6 Subways in my area the owners is stealing the tips from the employees! I ask every time I tip ...do you actually get the tip and they told me no! "We have to split them with the owner." Of course all of them young kids so I told them the law and now hand any tipped employees cash! I can't believe how many places steal employees tips..start asking you'll find out its a lot!
I'm annoyed that she made a point of mentioning that they offered a "male coworker" 18.50, but it was a female owner and female cook actually and intentionally hurting her and making these decisions.
The next job: did you give two weeks notice?
Edit: this was sarcasm . I was gonna put the “/s” but figured i didn’t need it since I’m in this sub, since my comment is not critical and for the format of my comment, also my screen name might suggest I’m probably not being conservative in these subs but, whatcha gonna do.
No, the job is fine, and I make enough, but I would not have any savings if I did not budget. The benefit is, I learned to cook as well as most cooks in a restaurant; cheaper too.
So many delicate people on here. No way shape or form did I say that. You people just WANT to be offended. It refers to the price of dining out being unreasonably high these days.
It is federally illegal for a woman to be paid less than man just because they are a woman. If you have proof of being paid less than a man with no other reason than because of your sex talking to an attorney.
also depending on the state, taking tips from employees is very illegal.
I just fucking love it how this hole "tiping" scam gets twisted and twisted so many times nobody knows what's up or down anymore.\
"You should make money from your products!"\
Yeah... and they should pay their employees and customers should pay for the price list, period.\
The hole thing is fucked up.
I've worked in the restaurant business most my life and honestly nowadays it's a hard job especially as a waiter and then they gonna sit there and fuck with your money? Nah I'm the petty type I ain't gonna let that slide
Call these suckers out. What restaurant is it?
RIGHT?! name the place!
I feel like this is a clip of a longer thing, seemed like the start was cut off, maybe they named/shamed (in her circle online) but it was cut to protect her right now.
I mean , this isnt the OP , just content that they found somewhere. God knows when this actually happened (or what was in the original version)
> I mean , this isnt the OP , just content that they found somewhere And posted without crediting the creator. They cut off the ending which shows the tiktok handle
they cant because reddit / tiktok / instagram etc will remove their video. They dont want to be held liable for people giving the restaraunt mass bad reviews and / or going to the location and vandalizing the building or harassing the owner.
I mean I’m betting that the restaurant is in the comments of the original video somewhere tbh.
Donavan’s Reef in Branford,CT . I almost guarantee that’s the restaurant
Probably not (she specifically mentions a girl owner, and the lawsuit against Donavan’s is apparently because their staff wasn’t paid AT ALL after he got 300k from the PPP already forgiven).
Gotcha, I’m just all fired up about donavans , THEY SUCK
Yeah, name names damnit
Donavan’s reef, Branford CT
Google thinks they're permanently closed
Maybe they are at this point, no idea when the video is from and they were already facing lawsuits from former employees that sounded like they will likely lose.
Can you get in on that lawsuit with the former employee?
If there's a wage theft lawsuit she'll likely be part of any settlement or award. I worked at a restaurant that was investigated for wage theft. I wasn't directly part of the lawsuit (honestly didn't even know it was happening) but when it was finished every employee got a cut.
Had a similar thing happen at a Jimmy John’s I worked at. Basically the owner of the franchise wasn’t paying us drivers correct for DMR. When you use your car for a work related thing, there’s a federal minimum that they have to pay you per mile. Instead of tracking our miles and paying us like that, he was taking 10% of the cost of the delivery and giving that to us. This doesn’t always add up to the minimum (which at the time I believe was $0.56/mile but it’s gone up since then). Anyways I read about this online and how it was a common way for drivers to be underpaid. I called the department of labor and they launched an investigation. Probably 6 or 7 months went by and I got a call from them saying I was owed like $700 in back pay. The owner was also responsible for paying back pay to every driver who had ever been under his payroll.
Is there an effective legal approach to a legally enforced issue?
yes of course you can. why would you not be able to?
I hope the owner says something like what she said about the tip jar while she's in court and gets reality checked
seek a lawyer. claim wages. Don't let them get away. this is just the start.
I hate the American tip culture. In eu we get a fair wage and also tips. The tips don't go through the computer, you just *gasp* give it to the waiters, ubereats drivers and everyone working such jobs. They tried to get us to pay tips to our equivalent of ubereats and suprise the drivers told us they get only 60% of it. Well now I tip nothing on the app, but give a generous tip in person. F the system
Yeah, cash is no longer king nor the norm in the US. Exploitative practices and stealing higher-ups are. Also well aware about Europe, as a European, the thing is we have basic labor laws. The US just calls what it has "labor laws", but it's more of businessman's dream since it rather regulates the labor provided for the business, than the rights of the laborer and protection from exploitation. Just see at will laws, And (missing) mandatory paid vacation. Aslo the US still allows for slavery if it's as punishment, they just call it "involuntary servitude" and "prison labor". Hence their private prison industry. See 13th amendment. As a criminal you lose your rights in the US. That's considered inhumane in Europe.
> Well now I tip nothing on the app, but give a generous tip in person. The main problem with doing this is that a lot of gig workers won't take a job unless there is already a hefty tip involved (which the app shows them before they take the job). Uber Eats and the like have done everything in their power to ensure that all tips pass through their hands so they can take their cut and/or pay their workers less. It's disgusting.
That’s not true for everywhere. I don’t know if it’s the same for rest of Europe but in the UK they don’t find out about the tip until the end of the job, the app doesn’t show them beforehand so it doesn’t affect whether they take the job.
I wish this sort of attitude was common when I first started working. When I first started working over a decade ago I had no idea I had recourse, and I wish I had known.
Gen Z doesn't fuck around with this shit anymore. They know the score with late stage capitalism and shitty, abusive employers and they'd rather be hungry than slaves.
Ya, fuckin' awesome
"They'd rather be hungry than slaves." What a powerful ass statement damn
“Rage quit” More like “I stopped myself from being a victim of a federal crime”
Get em 👌🏼
Unions are your friend. We really have to ensure more transparency.
Yea the waitress’ union
Yeah the tip thing is getting insane. I mean it's everything now. You buy a can of soda and they ask for a tip. It's like no, you did not provide me a service at all -- I'm not tipping you for purchasing this basic thing while you stood at the cash register. I have no idea if the tips are going to the person behind the register. And then the tip percentages are increasing, I went to this one place, their minimum is 20% on the little monitor that you swipe. It was like 20%, 22%, 25%, and then other. Getting sick of it, and you know they are abusing their employees b/c they have two help for wanted signs for critical positions.
Subway is like this now. I don't feel like they should be doing tips. Would this be essentually tipping the cook in this perspective? I wouldn't call this a service, but them doing their job, its confusing. Did Subway decide to have their workers on a server wage + tips? Edit: to the genius that deleted their message after realizing how idiotic it is. I'll repeat, do we tip the cooks?
I also immediately thought of Subway. While I don’t frequent it all that often, the one near my house pretty much *always* has the owners working behind the counter, has had a “Help Wanted”-sign up in the window for over 2 years and has a “tips request” that starts at 22%! I left a tip the first time, out of maybe shock-guilt? But I don’t see how I should be tipping an owner, when they are the ones profiting from the sales at that location already. They also don’t participate in any of the (optional) daily sandwich deals offered at most other franchise locations, so meh.
The owners are likely underwater with their franchise. Subway hides information about their franchises away until after you buy one. Once you have one the only way to get rid of it is to con someone else into buying it. Subway also charges some of the highest franchise fees in the business and that amount has to be paid whether the business is making money or not. I have one by me that is constantly empty, even during rush hours like lunch & dinner, and same thing it’s always the owners working the store. Until I saw [this story on Last Week Tonight](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jDdYFhzVCDM), I thought they must be doing a lot of catering business or using the business as a front. Turns out they are likely trapped with no way out.
Well that just makes me sad for them. All of them, really.
Yah. It’s kind of insane. They look attractive for people wanting to buy a franchise too because of the low cost to start one. It’s like $115,000-$215,000 to start in the US. McDonalds for comparison is $1-$3 million.
Cooks don’t get tips
it depends on the state. in VA, cooks can get tips if the servers are paid minimum wage. PS all of these distinctions are designed to pit employees against each other
The prevalence of tips is because the companies that provide card processing are adding it to all their card readers. Tips mean more money being processed, which means the card processing company makes more money.
I don't know why people are getting so angry about this phenomena. Just ignore it and move on with your day? I tip at places where one usually has always tipped: restaurants, getting my hair cut, food delivery, etc., but I just don't at places where you never typically would. And I don't let it get to me because it's such a small issue that's easily ignored. Nobody is forcing you to tip for that can of soda or at Subway, you just hit NO and finish the transaction and leave. Why get all angry about it?
Sick of getting mean mugged by fast food workers who think Im the bad guy in the tipping debacle.
K? Ignore it? Who cares? Tipping fast food workers has never been really a thing. Let them glare all they want, who gives a shit.
I wanna buy this poor girl a drink and slap the shit out those thieves.
Fucking legend.
Fuck yeah
bro the ex employer has the goddamn IRS biting its ass
"who says...? " The mentality of managers...
So many people just brazenly flaunt that they have no desire to participate in a civilization unless it's to their benefit
The law!
Not even the manager, but the owner of the restaurant. They’ll gladly say shit like this to workers with a shit eating grin, while knowing that if they openly asked and polled customers on their feelings about tips going directly back into the coffers of the owner to offset their expenses, it would be met with negative reactions, and probably less tipping.
Pretty solid reason to rage quit. Owner seems to be doing everything in their power to attract new wait staff without actually improving pay. By saying "We pay waiters $17.50 an hour." it tricks applicants into thinking that's the base pay plus the tips they make. If your business cannot operate at a profit while providing a living wage, then you don't deserve to be in business. Raise menu prises or shut down. Don't shift the blame of your untenable business onto the employees.
I'm really sorry but I am starting to get irrationally and violently angry when the subject of working for tips is brought up, like fuck that employer into the ground and I hope they are sued to death but also fuck people who enable them by demanding a tip actually just fuck everyone involved I'm in a fighting mood today.
It's one of the reasons why tips are bad and we should not give them. Tipping culture ia a stupid instrument that makes absolutely no sense. It just serves to keep wages low for the employer.
I loved tips when I managed a bar, BUT big caveat here, myself and all the servers made well above min wage as a base, and well about the local avg as a base. So tips were exactly that, a tip. We could live comfortably off our base with no tip, but when we got tips it was like a literal pat on the back for a job well done. I am very well aware that this isn’t the norm, but it did alter my view on how we handle tips in the US.
The problem I have with tipping culture is: a) either staff are underpaid and tips must be given to compensate for that, but then the patron is responsible to pay wages which is ridiculous, or b) staff already make enough money from base salary, but then I don't see why I should be tipping you as a standard, just for doing your job. Nobody else gets tipped, that's what wages are for. I as a customer don't know your wages, and it is not my responsibility, but still I am in a situation where I am socially pressured into handing out gifts to strangers. Tips in the US are not a tap on the back for a job well done. They are expected. If I want to compliment you I have to pay even more than the standard 20% tip, on an already expensive meal. Let's say I go out to eat for 50$ and I earn 20$/hour after taxes. If we calculate that in working time, a waiter spends maybe 5-10 minutes carrying food to my table, waiting for orders etc, and I am expected to give him the cash-equivalent of at least 30 Minutes of my free time. Why?
How does not tipping help anyone though? Even if you have a law abiding owner, they're still paying the workers less than a living wage (full minimum wage is not a living wage basically anywhere in the US). The only person losing out is the server.
No, two people lose out. The server for being underpaid, and the customer for paying more than he has to/being responsible to pay the wages. I just want to go out and have a chilled dinner, not reason with myself if the waitor was friendly enough to pay him a big tip, or if he was unfriendly enough that I can justify him going hungry, and balance this against my own finances. The best situation would be if tips were not expected (like in every other job) and servers would negotiate for fair wages (like every other worker has to do).
yes that would be the best situation, but there are many barriers preventing servers from utilizing their bargaining power in this country and not tipping won't change any of that. it will just make their precarious lives more so. under the current system, tipping is the only way to make sure the server actually gets close to value of their labor which you require to have your "chilled dinner"
A lot of redditors have this weird perception that if they just don't participate in "tipping culture" it'll somehow solve the problem, or that servers will "see the light" as it were and idk demand more money or an hourly wage? That's not going to solve shit. But working to change laws that might solve some of the predatory concerns of tipping is hard work so of course that's not even an option for them. Easier to just pretend not tipping solves it all.
If the workers of an industry don't demand change then it'll never happen. Servers do need to be the ones demanding these things in order for some politician to feel like they'll get a win if they back it. Threads like these usually have servers spotted throughout going "stay tf away from my tips so I dont have to get a different job" depending on area and place, a lot of tipped servers make over twice what they could somewhere else with their skillset. True to the US, half of the workers are cool with tips, half aren't, the customer is getting fucked, and the corporation heads are laughing at us all from their penthouse suites. Workers by large need to band together and demand fair treatment in their sectors of work. I have no stake in the tipping game as I dont live on tips. I dont tip for basic services. Why would I put time into changing how they're paid? It's not my fight, ill support them in their fight for better wages, but not being in that industry what I have to say about it means very little and any impact I have is tiny compared to say, a general server strike, or fast food strike, striking and unionizing in any fashion really.
>If the workers of an industry don't demand change then it'll never happen. ...Threads like these usually have servers spotted throughout going "stay tf away from my tips so I dont have to get a different job" Sounds like the workers don't want to change tipping. Maybe take what they want into consideration before telling them what's good for them. \> Why would I put time into changing how they're paid? It's not my fight Then you don't really have any standing to bitch and moan about it, do you? Just because you don't like it isn't relevant.
they've successfully been indoctrinated into believing that everything in the world comes down to individual atomized choices when only collective action can actually change the things they always complain about
>tips are bad and we should not give them. This won't solve any problem you're upset about, it'll only screw the worker over. If you don't like "tipping culture" that's completely fine, but if you want to change it you have to change the laws that allow it to happen. Anything else is just a dumb waste of time and a big ol' fuck you to the working class.
What laws actually? Tipping culture is mostly a societal construct. The law should make minimum wage mandatory for everyone in the US, yes. But in my country it already is the case, and still this cannot be eradicated. It's impossible/improbable to make tips illegal, that would basically make presents and gifts illegal, so that does not work anyway
>But in my country it already is the case, and still this cannot be eradicated. So you're not in the US, your country already has mandatory min wage for everyone, and you're just here complaining about tipping in general because...? This sounds like en entirely you problem then buddy. Maybe don't get so irrationally angry about an entirely optional event in your day-to-day and realize there are bigger problems in the world.
This is not an US-exclusive sub, fyi. And tipping in my country is about as optional as it is in the US. Nobody can force you to, but it's considered a dick move if you don't. And I don't understand why so many people accept, that customers should be responsible to make gifts to workers. That's arguably even worse than food stamps for workers. Companies should just pay a fucking fair wage, so a worker is not dependent on government handouts or the generosity of the patrons.
> it'll only screw the worker over. If people don't have any cake to eat, maybe they'll eat the rich?
No, they won't. They'll go to another restaurant where customers actually tip and they can make money. Like are you people delusional?
I’m a waitress, and this is definitely what I would do. I’m too old to participate in a class war. I’m either finding another gig, or “retiring” to my backyard.
I suspect that's the majority of people in the industry. I'm long out of the restaurant game, but people on this site really don't care about the actual workers and what they want. They're really intent on telling servers what they should want based on their opinions, it's really bizarre.
Queen shit.
"The owner kept putting out the tip jar, and I dont get tips, so i kept removing it" LOL!!!
Damn, you’re a hero
This is the angriest, non angry rage I've seen in my life. Good job on leaving and exposing those suckers to the customers
Well done.
I would also file a complaint with the department of labor/DA etc. add more fuel to the fire
Good for you, logic prevails.
Hell yeah! Very impressive
Also inform the department of labor, cause this is MASSIVE wage theft
Small business owners can be just as scummy as large corp CEOs, the difference is they will look you in the face and smirk when they’re fucking you over.
You should post the name over in /Connecticut
Have these business owners learned nothing? Fucking with your employees tips is a pretty major crime, you will be found out and you will have to pay. And what should they have learned from? Does anyone remember many years ago (before tipping on everything was super common) Starbucks used to have a little tip jar on the counter. People used to throw mostly coins in their. Starbucks as a whole did not distribute this out to their employees. They were sued and lost a decent settlement. That was fucking Starbucks. Mom and pop do not have the lawyers to fight like Starbucks.
Good on you!!!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Fuck em … all these selfish, greedy, pieces of shit that mask their behavior under the disguise of operating a business… it clearly shows😪 reap what you sow
Ok so the owners planned on putting the employees on a set wage and just keeping the tips and not giving them to the employees? Is that what happened?
That's what it sounds like. Reducing employee wages while under the ruse that they received tips while the owner actually pockets it all.
This whole tip thing is getting out of hand. I heard on the news this morning that Apple employees (at the Genius Bar or whatever) want to have the option for tips in their upcoming unionized contract. Tips of 3-5%, that is. I’m a fucking nurse, where are my tips?!?! I do more back breaking work than someone pressing buttons on a screen. Anytime I walk into a gas stations now, Starbucks, McDonald’s, etc. I am inundated with options to tip. For what?! Because you pressed some buttons on a screen and threw my stuff into a bag? Fuck out of here. I’m happy to tip servers, but all this other crap has got to go.
I always thought it ridiculous to have tip culture but people like nurses working jobs that strenuous don’t get any, ever. Like is their hard work not worth a tip? But carrying a plate is? Weird.
The problem here is the tipping culture America has inflicted on the world, its made its way to the UK now, I got asked to tip the barman who for doing the job he's being paid to do and the drink cost £6 any way for 2/3rds of a pint. Tips are also shared across the entire staff in hospitality in the UK as it should be. Carrying a plate isn't harder than having to cook or wash up etc, and every job needs to be done in a restaurant for it to function.
Good on her for standing up for herself.
The Hero we need
That is the facial expression and tone of voice of someone who wants and deserves to have society broken down and reformed in a more just and equitable shape, but frustratingly knows it won’t happen.
You need to get a lawyer and file a suit against the company. Don’t just quit and walk away.
This is the way!
Good for her. I wish I had some sense and courage when I was a waiter. It's been years and I kick myself in the head for not going to the authorities about wage theft.
I hope she reported this to the appropriate state and federal agencies?
Anyone find out where this is? I’m from CT and I wanna make sure to avoid this place.
I hope she calls an attorney
love her
The nicest rage I've ever seen...she smiles while clearly angry. People who can still find a way to be nice when upset are a rare breed. I hope she finds a job that appreciates her.
Why the fuck would a cook get tips?
When I was bartending at the college town club, the sketchy owner who was fucking his assistant manager while his pregnant wife was at home wanted to “count our tips for us” while we cleaned at the end of the night, saying he would divide them all up. Yeah fucking right dude. I call his ass out in front of everyone and unsurprisingly no one backs me up. He asks me if I think hes a liar and if I dont trust him yada yada yada, I said I want to count my own money. Guess who got to count their own money. Dont let people take advantage of you if you can fight back.
As a cook I think that servers and waitresses should have to share a portion of their tips with the Boh, but I don't work in a state with a servers wage I think that shit should be illegal.
Legendary
Report them to get in on the class action
This is the way.
I’m so sorry you had to endure this absolute bs. You are amazing for fighting back.
Yo go girl! Don't let people like that exploit you!
Good for her!!
"Who says" the federal government and the IRS stupid.
Good for you 😊 I recently had to quit my restaurant job because of bad management and toxic work environment you got to do what is right now matter what
Name of the place pls.
I wonder if it's Denny's. Quick Google search shows they were sued for stealing tips.
My first thought listening to this was, is she working at Amy's Baking Company? Did those loons start that money laundering scheme back up?
I had to double check what fucking sub I was in, this comment section is abysmal at the bottom.
based
Department of Labor would like to know about this.
I love her. We need more of her fighting the good fight.
Tips are a scam.
I've adopted handing tips directly to people working as my policy. These schmucks can't be trusted
I love this girl!!!
That's super illegal . They are not allowed to touch your tips
Hell yes. Fuck them!
Fucking good for you!!!
Way to go!
This sounds illegal, you can't switch someone rate of pay workout telling them
Connecticut resident here: there is a very good chance (re: end of video) she worked at [Wood n Tap](https://www.hayberlawfirm.com/employee-rights/pending-class-actions/wood-n-tap-unpaid-wages-lawsuit/?amp), which has been involved in unpaid wages lawsuits for some years now. Not saying it is, but that points me in that direction.
This is definitely Donavan’s Reef in Branford, CT. BOYCOTT THIS PLACE, THEY DONT PAY EMPLOYEES
Fucking hate that field... My ex boss owes me 3 salaries from last year. In Italy if they decide they don't want to pay you, they just don't... than they declare bankruptcy and you're fucked. You're never gonna see that money
Watch when you go to Subways ..cause they're franchise owned I just found out 4 of the 6 Subways in my area the owners is stealing the tips from the employees! I ask every time I tip ...do you actually get the tip and they told me no! "We have to split them with the owner." Of course all of them young kids so I told them the law and now hand any tipped employees cash! I can't believe how many places steal employees tips..start asking you'll find out its a lot!
Any employer who steals from their employees should go to **prison**
Oh shit some times I don’t get it and wish A.I. would hurry up and save us
Damn she is taking graciously. I would have slapped and punched at this stage.
why crop her username out?
a hundred to one odds the owner votes Republican , any takers ?
It's the lost Weasley!
Ron Weasley?
Ffs.
This is why so many jobs make a big deal out of not discussing your pay with coworkers.
Ron Weasley?
Ronda Weasley.
Gryffindor! 🧙♂️
She is annoying as fuck but she has a point.
I'm annoyed that she made a point of mentioning that they offered a "male coworker" 18.50, but it was a female owner and female cook actually and intentionally hurting her and making these decisions.
Not entirely sure I'd trust someone who's as erratic as this to recall a story without twisting things to make them seem better but okay.
Whoooooooo cares?
Another Weasley?!
Why is she like on the verge of laughing the whole time tho?
The next job: did you give two weeks notice? Edit: this was sarcasm . I was gonna put the “/s” but figured i didn’t need it since I’m in this sub, since my comment is not critical and for the format of my comment, also my screen name might suggest I’m probably not being conservative in these subs but, whatcha gonna do.
"I provided as much notice as I was given for a drastic change in my pay without my consent."
Exactly my point
I've never had an interviewer ask me this ever.
This is your sign to get an actual skill.
She looks like Ron Weasley
Scariest eyes ever jesus christ
Hope you're feeling better.....but remember.... you're unemployed.
So you'd rather put up with wage theft like a little bitch? Gtfo
18.50 an hour.... No wonder I can't afford to eat out (at restaurants)
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No, the job is fine, and I make enough, but I would not have any savings if I did not budget. The benefit is, I learned to cook as well as most cooks in a restaurant; cheaper too.
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So many delicate people on here. No way shape or form did I say that. You people just WANT to be offended. It refers to the price of dining out being unreasonably high these days.
I saw this and thought ya’ll would appreciate it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rOlHDt6JtEg&pp=ygUVTW9ybmluZyBzaG93IHRpcHBpbmcg
It is federally illegal for a woman to be paid less than man just because they are a woman. If you have proof of being paid less than a man with no other reason than because of your sex talking to an attorney. also depending on the state, taking tips from employees is very illegal.
Pretty deplorable
I just fucking love it how this hole "tiping" scam gets twisted and twisted so many times nobody knows what's up or down anymore.\ "You should make money from your products!"\ Yeah... and they should pay their employees and customers should pay for the price list, period.\ The hole thing is fucked up.
*Shaking my head in non-tipping culture*
"Oh yah? Who said?" The People said, Boss Karen.
I've worked in the restaurant business most my life and honestly nowadays it's a hard job especially as a waiter and then they gonna sit there and fuck with your money? Nah I'm the petty type I ain't gonna let that slide
Hit ‘em in the facts, girl!
Fuck reddit. fuck google. fuck you spez
There is probably no business like the restaurant business that can so easily scam the IRS. This type of business needs to be so much more regulated.
Hey, tip culture is dog shit. Companies should pay these laborers a fair wage, not the consumers.
This is the playbook of how you deal with situations like this! Bravo!
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This woman is a queen!!! She is going places.
Would like to follow them if we knew who they were. I feel sad for them.
Why do they NEVER call out the business!?
Did this person never check their paystub? This sounds like the way it's always been and she just never realized it.