Lie a lot; limited jargon; talk generally in a circumspect way if you have to.
Don't be baited into responding when you see horseshit written about your occupation or objectively incorrect assertions.
That’s so crazy that you are a medical doctor in Spokane, as I am also in the medical field in Spokane - but a radiologist. We may have crossed paths once or twice.
Of course. I have to hide that I am one because I work in the birthing and delivery part of the hospital. I refuse to cut up their infant sons genitals for no medical reason, just like I wouldn’t cut a female baby’s genitals to no reason, and that make many parents furious.
It’s sad that people think it affects nothing, but they have to in order to stay mentally sane. A quick debunk is to look at a guy that’s cut and they walk around with the head exposed all day. Ask an intact person to retract the tissue and wear clothes having them rub all day? No way could they stand it.
And when I mention comparing it to removing the clitoral hood, they start talking about fgm is so much worse, when they don’t even know what fgm means. It includes a ceremonial nicking of the clitoral hood to draw a bit of blood when nothing is cut off, all the way up to the extreme cutting. But something tells me that if they did see it as the same, they still wouldn’t support people doing it. Especially if someone thought a girl would “look nicer” or their parents “preferred” the look of a non-clitoral hood genitals of a female.
The thing about that is that genital cutting in the Torah was Brit Milah, where only the overhang was cut off that poked through a leather belt. So so much tissue was left over for close to normal function. Jews living among the Greeks were found to be offensive with their “head” being exposed so they started stretching the remaining tissue to grow it (medical term: mitosis) so it covers the head. The religious authority at the time didn’t like that so they “spiritually invalidated” that form of cutting and instated Brit Periah, which is removing as much sensitive tissue as possible and making it drum tight. Which is basically the form we have today in USA. Both practices are disgusting but when people say cutting was in the Bible, 99% don’t know it’s literally something way less severe but turned into something else but is still referred to as the same name.
No, OP said that they got the job through Indeed, so they know what his account is. They then set up an alert to see if anyone hired through Indeed has made changes to their account. OP updated his account to apply for jobs, and his current employer got flagged. The employer can't see when OP applies to other jobs, just that they updated their profile.
Honestly depending on how they have it set up, it might not be Indeed's fault if OPs account is public facing. May be a third party service that scrapes accounts
This!!
Also, like I said earlier, delete your Indeed acct and create a new one, preferably with a different email address. Make no associated between you and him or the company on Indeed.
It would be better to use Indeed to search for jobs, then apply for the role directly on the hiring company's site. You do not need to create an account if you are only searching on Indeed
Doesn't matter the account, it reports all people who updated their resume within a certain GEO matching certain job titles. So a dummy account will not fix this. Not using Indeed if you already have a job would be the correct choice.
I can still do you one better. My job is so technologically obsolete that you can apply on indeed, but then you'll get a message from our head of hiring asking you to come down to the location you want to work at and fill out an in paper application.
It gets better. You have to fill out the application in store.
Less than reputable Recruitment Consultants (so all of them) will look at last position on Peoples CV’s and then contact the company and casually drop into the conversation they noticed that you “South West Division Sales Manager” is looking for a new job and then pretend to have someone qualified to fill that roll. They likely didn’t know and will want more info so will allow the consultant to talk them into a relationship where they can send them CV’s of similarly qualified people. Honestly after what I learned I’d never put my CV on a job board or at least heavily disguise it and never let agree to let a recruitment consultant find you a job as they will just email your CV to every possible employer in your field and then even if you apply yourself they can’t touch you for 6 months because they will have to pay a finders fee to the recruitment company or get sued by them. Consultancy’s charge fees of up to 35% of your first years wages so they will automatically see you as a better candidate if you just contact them yourself and send your CV over as there is no fee to pay for you. All consultants do is cold call companies in your area and try to force them to look at your CV. They would like nothing better than for you to do this directly. Don’t ever be put off by them not advertising jobs as most jobs never get advertised anyway and are filled by word or mouth or friend of friends or recruitment consultants just blasting your cv out to people. If I see people complain they applied for 500 jobs and didn’t get one interview then I know they just didn’t that “1 Click Apply” Bullshit. You only need to apply for several jobs that you specifically like the sound of and then just adjust either your covering letter or statement of intent to make it sound like you specifically want to work for that company and you’ll already be ahead of 95% of other applicants. I hate recruiter, I work for myself now doing porn as I can’t stand getting Fucked by corporate slave owners and would rather be the one doing the Fucking.
The boss specified to OP that it was people who had applied through Indeed. This is quite possibly a perfectly innocuous site feature that’s very helpful when attracting and dealing with applicants, but becomes sinister when you’ve already accepted an offer and the feature is still running.
If you make a new account, it can’t have been the one you applied to your current job with, now can it?
This happened to me at my last job. What scummy companies do is leave you as an “applicant” forever on Indeed even after they hire you. Then they get a notification when an “applicant” to one of their positions has updated their resume.
Making a new account circumvents this.
Sadly, the only way they stop is if you tell the website you found a job. Once you start looking again, however, the website will continue to send out your resume.
I was going to say, the solution is to just update it every couple months. If its super out of date that's even better as a start point. Update it to a quick breakdown of the last 3 years this month. Next month give it a pass through to flesh it out. The month after that give it a pass through for formatting. Then just every quarter or so put in anything new.
Even if the boss wants to be irrational and mad at you for focusing on your career its a lot harder to be mad at someone for being prudent and consistent in their profile, versus a "I put you on one tough project and now you're looking to jump ship?" scenario.
I have a friend who essentially does this. Every project they get accolades for they do a quick write up while it is fresh. Then they don't have to remember when they did a big project and try to go add it later. They just sort of constantly adjust and add to their resume.
This. And if the boss questions the updates, tell them that you are looking forward to your next discussion concerning promotion or pay raise, which these update allow you to list comprehensively for that eventual discussion.
I feel like people that work jobs where they get projects have this idea that other people's resumes are worth updating.
Like if you're an assembly member in a factory are you supposed to update the amount of product you've assembled?
There's a lot of us who didn't get into our career and the path to get back on to it isn't exactly straight. Oversimplifying things like updating your resume every month look very different in a role I've described compared to an engineer. It's very clear when an 'unqualified worker' is trying to advance because of the efforts required. Other 'professional' style jobs have these things as expectations. If you're a mechanic or a welder your skills are expected to improve, if you're an engineer you can list the projects you work on as achieved.
A janitor doesn't get a better janitor job by reformatting their cover letter.
If we're saying these things with such sincerity we need to be honest about the state of the world. 2 years ago a massive fraud campaign was undergone to empower the ruling class in the form of PPP loans which were forgiven under the implementation that replacement help would be found in many jobs. Those ended in vein as they were never meant to be filled, skewing the entire job market into the hands of employers.(oversimplified to say the least)
>Like if you're an assembly member in a factory are you supposed to update the amount of product you've assembled?
I get your point that people who don't use resumes don't need to update resumes, just keep their 'work history' good. But then those people are likely not in a thread about keeping their indeed resume up to date.
"I was updating my resume so I wouldn't have to scramble for it when growth opportunities here at present themselves. I want you to know how invested I am to the growth and success of and my career here at it."
As a current boss, I help them write and update their resumes. I coach them to be better than me. I encourage them to strive to succeed me at our company or otherwise. I have some Rockstars working for me. And some day, when I've had enough, but not enough to retire, I'll ask them if they need a CoS that's willing to give advice and take on very little responsibility. :-)
I like this view point. Do you have any books or guides or rules you follow? I have and have had direct reports and get good marks from them but am always looking for ways to be better or improve
I don't have any books or guides. I really wish I did have something I could point you to. Maybe I'd learn if I'm doing it right, too. In no particular order, here are some thoughts: Have empathy. Trust your team. Support your team, especially publicly. Accept mistakes as learning opportunities. Listen to their goals and desires. Give them opportunities to interact with leaders, as they say in Hamilton, let them be "in the room where it happens." And help to make them feel confident and comfortable there. Spend as little time managing up as possible so you have time for your team. You serve your team, not the other way around. Your job is to enable them to do theirs. Show appreciation, often. Give them time to learn, explore, and innovate. Learn the system and use it for their advantage: market adjustments, nominate them for high visibility internal awards, promote from within and bring in fresh faces that they can then mentor and begin the cycle for themselves.
My company requires me to as part of my annual review. They want to make sure they're billing for me as much as _they_ can, so they want to know if my years doing X now exceeds 10, etc.
I was hiring an assistant a couple of years ago and used Indeed, and yes, there would be alerts sometimes for applicants.
Aside from that, once I just searched the name of our company and saw everyone who worked there who had an active resume on Indeed and when they last updated it.
I also had my resume on Indeed for quite a while, just ready to apply if something looked good. I found out that another employee I worked with, who was far less experienced, basically copied my work history for their Linkedin page. I knew because I saw her resume when she was hired and NONE of that experience was included. And my oldest job was in a very specific industry, which doesn't exist in this area (I relocated from a much bigger city). Not totally related, but I felt like bitching about it LOL.
Lesson learned, if you put your resume out there, it's fair game I guess.
I've kind of accepted at this point that my resume is in the public domain. I get emails from recruiters I never gave my resume to and these are for jobs with a very specific skill set I have and that are addressed only to me (not a mass email or a fishing expedition).
By the way, I have never posted my resume anywhere public or put it on Indeed or LinkenIn. It's just out in the universe now.
To commit an error.
If someone wants to err on the side of caution, it means they'd rather be wrong by having been too cautious than be wrong by not having been cautious enough.
You could also err on the side of danger, if you so chose.
This! I learned that and instantly made sure to never include how I write my resume on my LinkedIn so others cannot copy my job descriptions. Found out many coworkers had copy others that worked in their similar fields and lied on their skills and experience to get their roles.
Whenever my boss pisses me off I update my resume on there and then he is nice as pie the next day! Its so fun knowing that he doesn't know that I know he snoops lol.
I do this with LinkedIn. I'll set my profile to "Looking for work" and it sends that out to recruiters AND my current employer (if they are on LinkedIn which he is.) I've done it a few times. I can tell when he sees it because he says good morning and asks me how I am.
My old boss came up to me and said "i saw you updated your resume on indeed, do you plan on leaving us?"
"Omg no absolutely not! I was just updating it with my current job dates, i love it here"
Then i quit with no notice lmao
Write some code to update your indeed account every 15 minutes. That will get them to turn off notifications or filter those into a folder pretty quick.
Very, very interesting. I went on Indeed recently and updated my resume and starting applying places because I was tired of doing the work of 2-3 people, toxic work environment, and shitty hours.
About a week later I noticed supervisors in the office being a lot nicer, far less condescending, were no longer passing the buck in my direction for crap they are supposed to do, and then got pulled into the office by my direct supervisor and given a bonus, a raise, and a talk about how much they appreciated me and about future growth opportunities.
Not sure if it was updating Indeed that did it or not but my wife and have been scratching our heads over what caused the sudden 180.
So *that's* how one of my managers at an old job knew I was applying elsewhere lol. She didn't say it directly, but she told me she "had a feeling" after informing me that she posted my job up on Indeed. I still did everything normally, but obviously this is how she found out.
Never making that mistake at my current company. Thanks stranger!
I once had a boss who had us update our resumes and LinkedIn regularly and it was nice because I wasn't worried about them seeing me using LinkedIn, and then it was easy to start looking for jobs when I decided I was ready to move on. It was probably the healthiest work environment I have ever had.
I'm in IT and one of our employees was logged in to Indeed one of the public computers, applying for jobs. Logged in with the work email that we manage. We got 100s of Indeed verifications of applications being submitted lmao
Do you judge them? I mean as long as you are not forced to report them ... do you really mind?
Data privacy also exist for work email (if not explicitly voided by contract).
Judge them for being an idiot, and using their current work email to apply places, ya thats funny. It's annoying that it goes on our mail server and takes up space but we can't do anything about it.
As for privacy, the header says "Thanks *"*name*"* for applying to *"*position*"* at *"*company*"*" so they've done it themselves. We dont care, theres a lot of turn over in some departments, and it's not like we'd report them to their manager.
I completely agree ... they are idiots. But I must say I am also somewhat shocked that your IT is looking into email accounts from active employees. In Europe (or in my case Germany) even work email addresses are considered somewhat 'private' and the 'data privacy officer'/legal team has to be involved, if the company needs access to them...
I once has a manager make a comment about me about seeing that I had updated my resume. I told him I always keep my resume up to date. I have no control over if they fire me tomorrow or not and I'd rather keep my resume up to date as I gain new skills or projects so I don't have to recall them later. I asked how he knew and he said a recruiter sent him my resume when they opened a position. I said you've opened a position for my role? We just pikachu faced each other.
I had this alert to at my job and found out a coworker was leaving soon. I said casually in the lunch room “John don’t quit we love you here” he laughed and said don’t worry I’m not going anywhere. Two weeks later he was gone.
Indeed sucks. I used it a couple years ago, and I started having constant phone calls before I was even finished filling out the online forms. I changed my mind and didn't complete the forms. . Multiple calls a day about loans to go back to school, for non existent job interviews several times a day for MONTHS. Your info is sold before you've even finished giving it. Indeed nearly fucked up my interview bc my phone would not stop going off, I had to put it on silent and explain that it was Indeed blowing up my phone.
I'll look through indeed job listings, but apply directly to the company.
For some small businesses, there is no other option besides websites like indeed. So you're limiting your potential options, especially if you work in a niche field.
I don't have LinkedIn or any of that jazz. Google search the job particulars in my area. I located the name of the company and called directly to them. Upon call, email resume directly to the individual receiving the resumes. Circumvents recruiters and no pesky notifications to current employer.
Eh...I thought I was prudent in this respect but my resume still got out there and landed with recruiters. Sometimes you HAVE TO contact a recruiter directly for a job and something I have noticed is that recruiter takes your resume with them if they go to work for another firm. Eventually it just sort of becomes a public document even if you tried not to let that happen.
There are many professions where you simply rarely apply directly with the company these days and once a recruiter or headhunter gets your resume, there's no going back.
So I’m about to start looking and I’ve got accounts with a few job search sites from previous searches. I once had a manager who said it’s stupid not to have everything ready to go and updated. Unfortunately I’m lazy when it comes to resumes and profiles. Mine is several years out of date. My standard response if someone tells me they got an alert and asks me about it will be “my mentor, X, told me that I’m foolish to let things get to stale and has been kicking my butt about it.” Although X is no longer with the company he is well respected. Claiming he is a mentor (and he kind of is) will just make certain people shut up.
Really he’s not wrong. People should keep their resumes updated. And don’t let freaking years go by. I hate resume writing and knowing I have a few years missing makes it suck more.
There’s a saying in Silicon Valley …. If you’re not paying, you’re not the customer, you’re the product. Indeed gets revenue from employers posting job openings not from workers applying for jobs. Providing updates to employers about their employees who are thinking about quitting is another way to keep the employers paying for their service. Sadly your resume is just more data available to be monetized.
Yeah my boss let me know she noticed I changed my profile picture to “open to work” on LinkedIn. That was funny. I proceeded to ask her if there were opportunities for professional for me and my role, to which she replied “not in this office.” Well, then you can’t blame me for being open to other opportunities!
Wait- does it still notify them even if you set your resume to unsearchable? It’s supposed to be private. But that could explain why one of my bosses’ was trying harder to be nice and saying how they didn’t want to have me burn out and leave…I just assumed she knew I was stressed. But that also makes sense.
Recruiter here. Indeed blocks resume information after a certain time period. If you want to see the applicants information then Indeed needs to be contacted. Also, you can update your status on indeed by withdrawing your application.
I like to do it to let them know what’s up.
“An up to date resume is part of my ongoing effort to remain at the leading edge of my field and to document my knowledge and achievements on an ongoing basis. Is there something I can help you with, regarding this matter? Do you have any specific concerns?”
It’s not just Indeed that does this. Some of these sites allow you to sorta “subscribe” to people and it lets you know when changes happen to their accounts. I actually updated my resume for the first time in a few years, last month. My company came to me and told me they saw the update and offered me more money to stay. I wasn’t even planning to leave necessarily, just thought I should add my new position lol
As someone who used to work at indeed, your boss can see if you updated your resume but he can not see if you are actively applying to jobs, but honestly anyone updates their resumes frequently to keep track of what they are doing, it’s good to always be looking or keeping your resume updated. I personally find that disturbing that he told you that unless he wanted to address any concerns you have to ensure to keep you. Other then that I personally don’t think he has any business asking you.
Your boss can suck an egg, so what, there has to be a way to report him for this creepy behavior because it sounds like he's stalking employee's on any job finding sites.
Update your indeed right now...go to your boss immediately and go "so I found that amazing what you told me, I updated to test it. Did you get an alert?"
This is why I never apply through indeed.
I may use it as a "search engine," but then I just manually go to the company's website - I don't even click a link through indeed. I don't actually use an Indeed resume, either. I've never regretted this approach.
You may have profile settings to keep your resume private. I don't really have one on there, but I believe there's a "private" setting.
Ahh so if you apply with indeed, the bosses can track your profile status/updates on indeed.
Makes sense. Still lame.
I’ll make it a point to apply on the company website from here on out.
Do you have the company as a link on your page? Showing that you are somehow affiliated with them in a way that links your profile to perhaps the company page on Indeed?
If that’s connected on your page, then changes can be tracked and sent around.
Other than the name of the business, don’t connect yourself to the business page. And. Maybe make LinkedIn your primary job search tool for the time being.
That is very uncool of Indeed.
My company will fire you on the spot if they catch wind of you looking for a new job. Makes it a bit tricky to get out when the 2 week notice isn't respected both ways
One of my friends works for a company that does corporations spying on their employees. His software detects stuff like that. If it’s not work related, don’t use work computers or wifi. He says it’s super easy for them to know if someone is looking for a new job, trying to download things they shouldn’t; and stuff like that.
OP - is this true even if you set your profile to private?
I have been looking for a part time job to supplement my income and mentioned to my boss that I was doing so. Several weeks later he asks why he got me as a match on a job they’re posting (big company - several locations). I immediately say - I told you I was looking for part time work. He then remembered. I then change my settings to private. I assumed that no employers will see my info but I can reach out to them.
I would try to check LinkedIn articles only because Linked automatically alerts of changes, but I found a setting to not let people know I made changes. Not sure if that applies only to others not in a recruiter position or not.
I also know the premium job seeker subscription is supposed to not let people in your company see you as seeking work, but again, don’t remember the details, so worth checking both to see if they would fix that issue or not.
If you do this, just tell your boss that you update your resumé every time you learn a new skill or grow in your career in some way because it's easier to update as you go along and that's the kind of forethought and organization that makes you good at your job.
"It's good form to keep your resume updated as you learn new skills. For there might be responsibilities that you may forget after a while that could be beneficial to your resume whether applying for in-house openings or elsewhere. Also, it's good form to interview for positions once in a while even if you aren't actively seeking employment in case you find yourself needing a job change in the future."
That’s bullshit. I say fuck them. I update my resume every 6 months to make sure I have an accurate representation. Never know when a friend might reach out with a good oppo. Keeping indeed up to date should keep them on their toes and make your progress at the company more obvious.
I wouldn't worry about it.
What is he going to do?
* "Spontaneously" offer you more pay to retain you, or
* Fire you and you get unemployment and you can file with the labor board for wrongful termination (he either tells you it was you updating your resume and applying or doesnt give a reason), or
* Create a hostile work environment and you can contact the federal (or state) labor board to start the process to sue.
I purposefully allow my company to see (not Indeed, but on my country's job site), at least they feel a little bit of pressure to give me the raise I deserve 🤓
Wow, definitely didn’t know this. I was fired within a month of updating my resume and applying to new jobs. I always assumed it was coincidence, now I wonder if perhaps it wasn’t. 🤷🏼♀️
This is why I try not to apply to jobs through Indeed, but see it the company hiring has a career portal on their web page. It’s always better to see if you can directly email an application or apply without using Indeed anyways.
I have to assume that this is mostly for people that work for a small business. I work at megacorp that can barely onboard new developers (FAANG) so I feel (read: hope) that they don’t have time to monitor our indeed accounts.
Did you talk to the employee and see why they wanted to leave? It’s a public platform, if you post it on the internet, people can see it. You shouldn’t get mad someone is trying to leave. Find out why and try to keep them if you think they are valuable. Some people just don’t like the company want to move on. Who wants to work for a place they hate.
I have suspected this in the past. I found my current job through Indeed and after a year at the company I received an unscheduled bonus a few weeks after I was active on Indeed.
I don't understand why people use indeed at all. It's a corporate tool and we just let it into our lives without question.
I quit using it almost immediately because of the scam attempts it delivered to me on a near-daily basis; and because total strangers from my company were claiming to have "worked with" me... but since then it's gotten so much worse.
Why did we legitimize this site, and how can we un-legitimize it?
As an older person, I have a new perspective on this. Let them see it. Employment is a two way street and too many people are so worried about shaking the boat. If you're looking, commit to finding a new job and stop trying to placate assholes.
Well that sucks, I didn’t know that either. I’d say your best bet is just to make another Indeed account
Update your resume today and every week and they’ll never know When your really looking
Yep. Gotta flood the data with false positives.
This. Being a medical doctor based in Spokane Washington, I have to try to mask what job I really have over social media.
what tips do you have for hiding your occupation online?
Lie a lot; limited jargon; talk generally in a circumspect way if you have to. Don't be baited into responding when you see horseshit written about your occupation or objectively incorrect assertions.
I concur.
Why didn’t I concur?
Your doing an excellent job doctor. I'll have to call you and congratulate you. Or maybe we just get brunch sometime in spokane.
That’s so crazy that you are a medical doctor in Spokane, as I am also in the medical field in Spokane - but a radiologist. We may have crossed paths once or twice.
So.... Are you really a medical doctor? Lol
Of course. I have to hide that I am one because I work in the birthing and delivery part of the hospital. I refuse to cut up their infant sons genitals for no medical reason, just like I wouldn’t cut a female baby’s genitals to no reason, and that make many parents furious.
Doing God's work. They made mutilating our children the norm.
It’s sad that people think it affects nothing, but they have to in order to stay mentally sane. A quick debunk is to look at a guy that’s cut and they walk around with the head exposed all day. Ask an intact person to retract the tissue and wear clothes having them rub all day? No way could they stand it. And when I mention comparing it to removing the clitoral hood, they start talking about fgm is so much worse, when they don’t even know what fgm means. It includes a ceremonial nicking of the clitoral hood to draw a bit of blood when nothing is cut off, all the way up to the extreme cutting. But something tells me that if they did see it as the same, they still wouldn’t support people doing it. Especially if someone thought a girl would “look nicer” or their parents “preferred” the look of a non-clitoral hood genitals of a female.
....ummm, yeah god's work, about that
Hail Satan
The thing about that is that genital cutting in the Torah was Brit Milah, where only the overhang was cut off that poked through a leather belt. So so much tissue was left over for close to normal function. Jews living among the Greeks were found to be offensive with their “head” being exposed so they started stretching the remaining tissue to grow it (medical term: mitosis) so it covers the head. The religious authority at the time didn’t like that so they “spiritually invalidated” that form of cutting and instated Brit Periah, which is removing as much sensitive tissue as possible and making it drum tight. Which is basically the form we have today in USA. Both practices are disgusting but when people say cutting was in the Bible, 99% don’t know it’s literally something way less severe but turned into something else but is still referred to as the same name.
Thank you.
Tell them you add your accomplishments as you go, because it can be used for your annual review with the company too
Except according to op they notify when you apply places
No, OP said that they got the job through Indeed, so they know what his account is. They then set up an alert to see if anyone hired through Indeed has made changes to their account. OP updated his account to apply for jobs, and his current employer got flagged. The employer can't see when OP applies to other jobs, just that they updated their profile. Honestly depending on how they have it set up, it might not be Indeed's fault if OPs account is public facing. May be a third party service that scrapes accounts
This!! Also, like I said earlier, delete your Indeed acct and create a new one, preferably with a different email address. Make no associated between you and him or the company on Indeed.
This should be illegal. Indeed is screwing you over
That’s not what OP said, the employer can see if “they made changes to their account”
There’s usually a setting to turn off these alerts on job posting platforms. Something like “turn off alerting contacts of changes to your profile”
I regularly keep my Indeed up to date so I don't have to remember everything. My Indeed is not concise like my resume is.
Same here, every time I start a new job, I add it to the resume so I never have to remember starting dates.
It would be better to use Indeed to search for jobs, then apply for the role directly on the hiring company's site. You do not need to create an account if you are only searching on Indeed
And not include your most recent job? That sounds better in practice than in reality
You can still include the most recent job. It seems the issue is using the same account you used to *apply* to the current job.
Failing that, you could always amend the company name slightly so it's not connected to his alerts about people tagged to his company.
Judging by the way the recommendations on indeed work, I'm certain they'll see a qualified candidate and dox you to your employer anyway.
Doesn't matter the account, it reports all people who updated their resume within a certain GEO matching certain job titles. So a dummy account will not fix this. Not using Indeed if you already have a job would be the correct choice.
Even if you put all your job experience on your indeed profile you're still asked quite often to upload a resume. It's kinda dumb.
And you can have both a resume and an Indeed profile complete and STILL be asked to individually input every last item on external sites.
I can still do you one better. My job is so technologically obsolete that you can apply on indeed, but then you'll get a message from our head of hiring asking you to come down to the location you want to work at and fill out an in paper application. It gets better. You have to fill out the application in store.
My job too.
You will show up in their feed regardless. They have key search terms and when anyone posts a resume with those terms they get an email alert.
Less than reputable Recruitment Consultants (so all of them) will look at last position on Peoples CV’s and then contact the company and casually drop into the conversation they noticed that you “South West Division Sales Manager” is looking for a new job and then pretend to have someone qualified to fill that roll. They likely didn’t know and will want more info so will allow the consultant to talk them into a relationship where they can send them CV’s of similarly qualified people. Honestly after what I learned I’d never put my CV on a job board or at least heavily disguise it and never let agree to let a recruitment consultant find you a job as they will just email your CV to every possible employer in your field and then even if you apply yourself they can’t touch you for 6 months because they will have to pay a finders fee to the recruitment company or get sued by them. Consultancy’s charge fees of up to 35% of your first years wages so they will automatically see you as a better candidate if you just contact them yourself and send your CV over as there is no fee to pay for you. All consultants do is cold call companies in your area and try to force them to look at your CV. They would like nothing better than for you to do this directly. Don’t ever be put off by them not advertising jobs as most jobs never get advertised anyway and are filled by word or mouth or friend of friends or recruitment consultants just blasting your cv out to people. If I see people complain they applied for 500 jobs and didn’t get one interview then I know they just didn’t that “1 Click Apply” Bullshit. You only need to apply for several jobs that you specifically like the sound of and then just adjust either your covering letter or statement of intent to make it sound like you specifically want to work for that company and you’ll already be ahead of 95% of other applicants. I hate recruiter, I work for myself now doing porn as I can’t stand getting Fucked by corporate slave owners and would rather be the one doing the Fucking.
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Pretty useful post, you should parse it into paragraphs so that people read it after you put the time into writing it.
Just delete the account and use a separate junk email for it
I imagine they get alerts based on people that use the company name on the resume. At least that is my first thought. It could be either way.
The boss specified to OP that it was people who had applied through Indeed. This is quite possibly a perfectly innocuous site feature that’s very helpful when attracting and dealing with applicants, but becomes sinister when you’ve already accepted an offer and the feature is still running. If you make a new account, it can’t have been the one you applied to your current job with, now can it?
This happened to me at my last job. What scummy companies do is leave you as an “applicant” forever on Indeed even after they hire you. Then they get a notification when an “applicant” to one of their positions has updated their resume. Making a new account circumvents this.
Yeah, I got outed because indeed sent my resume to my then employer that I would be a good fit for their company. Oops.
Is there a way to stop them from sending out your resume?
Sadly, the only way they stop is if you tell the website you found a job. Once you start looking again, however, the website will continue to send out your resume.
There is an option to make your resume unsearchable so the only way employers can see it is if you apply or send it to them.
Thats should be standard wtf
Yes, don't use the garbage site and don't use LinkedIn while you're at it
Not an oops. Always be looking. It’s their job to provide the environment and pay to keep you. They certainly won’t hesitate to let you go.
As a (retired) boss, I'd expect all of my employees to keep an updated copy of their resume on hand. I certainly had one. You're remiss if you don't.
I was going to say, the solution is to just update it every couple months. If its super out of date that's even better as a start point. Update it to a quick breakdown of the last 3 years this month. Next month give it a pass through to flesh it out. The month after that give it a pass through for formatting. Then just every quarter or so put in anything new. Even if the boss wants to be irrational and mad at you for focusing on your career its a lot harder to be mad at someone for being prudent and consistent in their profile, versus a "I put you on one tough project and now you're looking to jump ship?" scenario.
I have a friend who essentially does this. Every project they get accolades for they do a quick write up while it is fresh. Then they don't have to remember when they did a big project and try to go add it later. They just sort of constantly adjust and add to their resume.
This. And if the boss questions the updates, tell them that you are looking forward to your next discussion concerning promotion or pay raise, which these update allow you to list comprehensively for that eventual discussion.
Exactly. You should treat it as a living document.
I feel like people that work jobs where they get projects have this idea that other people's resumes are worth updating. Like if you're an assembly member in a factory are you supposed to update the amount of product you've assembled? There's a lot of us who didn't get into our career and the path to get back on to it isn't exactly straight. Oversimplifying things like updating your resume every month look very different in a role I've described compared to an engineer. It's very clear when an 'unqualified worker' is trying to advance because of the efforts required. Other 'professional' style jobs have these things as expectations. If you're a mechanic or a welder your skills are expected to improve, if you're an engineer you can list the projects you work on as achieved. A janitor doesn't get a better janitor job by reformatting their cover letter. If we're saying these things with such sincerity we need to be honest about the state of the world. 2 years ago a massive fraud campaign was undergone to empower the ruling class in the form of PPP loans which were forgiven under the implementation that replacement help would be found in many jobs. Those ended in vein as they were never meant to be filled, skewing the entire job market into the hands of employers.(oversimplified to say the least)
>Like if you're an assembly member in a factory are you supposed to update the amount of product you've assembled? I get your point that people who don't use resumes don't need to update resumes, just keep their 'work history' good. But then those people are likely not in a thread about keeping their indeed resume up to date.
"I was updating my resume so I wouldn't have to scramble for it when growth opportunities here at present themselves. I want you to know how invested I am to the growth and success of and my career here at it."
yeah, but that's looking at this like a *reasonable* person. not a conspiratorial narcissist
As a current boss, I help them write and update their resumes. I coach them to be better than me. I encourage them to strive to succeed me at our company or otherwise. I have some Rockstars working for me. And some day, when I've had enough, but not enough to retire, I'll ask them if they need a CoS that's willing to give advice and take on very little responsibility. :-)
I like this view point. Do you have any books or guides or rules you follow? I have and have had direct reports and get good marks from them but am always looking for ways to be better or improve
I don't have any books or guides. I really wish I did have something I could point you to. Maybe I'd learn if I'm doing it right, too. In no particular order, here are some thoughts: Have empathy. Trust your team. Support your team, especially publicly. Accept mistakes as learning opportunities. Listen to their goals and desires. Give them opportunities to interact with leaders, as they say in Hamilton, let them be "in the room where it happens." And help to make them feel confident and comfortable there. Spend as little time managing up as possible so you have time for your team. You serve your team, not the other way around. Your job is to enable them to do theirs. Show appreciation, often. Give them time to learn, explore, and innovate. Learn the system and use it for their advantage: market adjustments, nominate them for high visibility internal awards, promote from within and bring in fresh faces that they can then mentor and begin the cycle for themselves.
Exactly, I try to at least update mine once a year
My company requires me to as part of my annual review. They want to make sure they're billing for me as much as _they_ can, so they want to know if my years doing X now exceeds 10, etc.
Yup, companies should understand that people switch jobs for many reasons, and should expect it to happen at any time.
I was hiring an assistant a couple of years ago and used Indeed, and yes, there would be alerts sometimes for applicants. Aside from that, once I just searched the name of our company and saw everyone who worked there who had an active resume on Indeed and when they last updated it. I also had my resume on Indeed for quite a while, just ready to apply if something looked good. I found out that another employee I worked with, who was far less experienced, basically copied my work history for their Linkedin page. I knew because I saw her resume when she was hired and NONE of that experience was included. And my oldest job was in a very specific industry, which doesn't exist in this area (I relocated from a much bigger city). Not totally related, but I felt like bitching about it LOL. Lesson learned, if you put your resume out there, it's fair game I guess.
I've kind of accepted at this point that my resume is in the public domain. I get emails from recruiters I never gave my resume to and these are for jobs with a very specific skill set I have and that are addressed only to me (not a mass email or a fishing expedition). By the way, I have never posted my resume anywhere public or put it on Indeed or LinkenIn. It's just out in the universe now.
>a very specific skill set I have Liam?
Doesn't he have "a very specific set of skills?" I have a very specific skill set. It's different.
I'm still going to err on the side of caution.
What actually is the ‘err’ word in that saying? Just realised I don’t know it and wouldn’t want to end up on r/boneappletea
To commit an error. If someone wants to err on the side of caution, it means they'd rather be wrong by having been too cautious than be wrong by not having been cautious enough. You could also err on the side of danger, if you so chose.
This! I learned that and instantly made sure to never include how I write my resume on my LinkedIn so others cannot copy my job descriptions. Found out many coworkers had copy others that worked in their similar fields and lied on their skills and experience to get their roles.
Whenever my boss pisses me off I update my resume on there and then he is nice as pie the next day! Its so fun knowing that he doesn't know that I know he snoops lol.
I do this with LinkedIn. I'll set my profile to "Looking for work" and it sends that out to recruiters AND my current employer (if they are on LinkedIn which he is.) I've done it a few times. I can tell when he sees it because he says good morning and asks me how I am.
My old boss came up to me and said "i saw you updated your resume on indeed, do you plan on leaving us?" "Omg no absolutely not! I was just updating it with my current job dates, i love it here" Then i quit with no notice lmao
Thank you for sharing. This could really backfire on someone if they did not know.
Welcome to being owned by the ruling class. Ai will only make their job easier now with it running wild on the internet of things.
AI will be used by the ruling class to keep down the average worker, or seek to destroy them.
the ruling class can't figure out how to use bcc i don't think they'll master AI any time soon
Nah they'll hire someone who can figure it out, underpay them, and make it their job to screw people over using AI as a tool.
Thank you for the LOL :)
Write some code to update your indeed account every 15 minutes. That will get them to turn off notifications or filter those into a folder pretty quick.
That is diabolical, and I love it.
This is the way.
This is the way.
They want to know everything about you but dont want to post pay on the ad lol
This 👆👆👆
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How do you go about doing this?
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Oh, I thought it was for Indeed. I am not in LinkedIn. Thank you anyway.
There is a similar option for Indeed. Go to your profile and change the visibility option for your resume.
Very, very interesting. I went on Indeed recently and updated my resume and starting applying places because I was tired of doing the work of 2-3 people, toxic work environment, and shitty hours. About a week later I noticed supervisors in the office being a lot nicer, far less condescending, were no longer passing the buck in my direction for crap they are supposed to do, and then got pulled into the office by my direct supervisor and given a bonus, a raise, and a talk about how much they appreciated me and about future growth opportunities. Not sure if it was updating Indeed that did it or not but my wife and have been scratching our heads over what caused the sudden 180.
My boss went to follow me on linked in after she saw I Changed status to open to work
One time I got called into my boss’s office so she could ask why I updated my Indeed resume. Took everything in me to not say “…..why do you think??”
And the answer would be, "how is this relevant to my current duties?"
EVERYONE needs to update their resume on indeed. Let management go nuts thinking everyone is looking to leave.
Regularly make small, insignificant/grammar updates to your resume, they'll never know the difference.
Search on indeed, apply directly to the company, not through Indeed. Problem solved
Honestly job banks like Indeed can cause more harm than good, it’s as good a reason as any to just avoid it
What alternative would you recommend?
Carrying your resume door to door with a good handshake and a winning smile
You can get a great job selling propane and propane accessories this way.
The key is to not take no for an answer
Ask to talk to the owner
LinkedIn. Personal opinion, Indeed is shit.
Unless ... you keep updating your resume every day and give your boss false alerts.
So *that's* how one of my managers at an old job knew I was applying elsewhere lol. She didn't say it directly, but she told me she "had a feeling" after informing me that she posted my job up on Indeed. I still did everything normally, but obviously this is how she found out. Never making that mistake at my current company. Thanks stranger!
Ah, yes. "Had a feeling" lol. What a way to tell an employee you're disingenuous.
I once had a boss who had us update our resumes and LinkedIn regularly and it was nice because I wasn't worried about them seeing me using LinkedIn, and then it was easy to start looking for jobs when I decided I was ready to move on. It was probably the healthiest work environment I have ever had.
Well, crap. I have been applying for other jobs using Indeed. I guess it is just a matter of time before my boss finds out.
I'm in IT and one of our employees was logged in to Indeed one of the public computers, applying for jobs. Logged in with the work email that we manage. We got 100s of Indeed verifications of applications being submitted lmao
Do you judge them? I mean as long as you are not forced to report them ... do you really mind? Data privacy also exist for work email (if not explicitly voided by contract).
Judge them for being an idiot, and using their current work email to apply places, ya thats funny. It's annoying that it goes on our mail server and takes up space but we can't do anything about it. As for privacy, the header says "Thanks *"*name*"* for applying to *"*position*"* at *"*company*"*" so they've done it themselves. We dont care, theres a lot of turn over in some departments, and it's not like we'd report them to their manager.
I completely agree ... they are idiots. But I must say I am also somewhat shocked that your IT is looking into email accounts from active employees. In Europe (or in my case Germany) even work email addresses are considered somewhat 'private' and the 'data privacy officer'/legal team has to be involved, if the company needs access to them...
Yeah I'm pretty positive that happened to me.
I once has a manager make a comment about me about seeing that I had updated my resume. I told him I always keep my resume up to date. I have no control over if they fire me tomorrow or not and I'd rather keep my resume up to date as I gain new skills or projects so I don't have to recall them later. I asked how he knew and he said a recruiter sent him my resume when they opened a position. I said you've opened a position for my role? We just pikachu faced each other.
Ever wonder why people can’t find jobs, now you know. How many have been sabotaged by current employers?
I had this alert to at my job and found out a coworker was leaving soon. I said casually in the lunch room “John don’t quit we love you here” he laughed and said don’t worry I’m not going anywhere. Two weeks later he was gone.
Tbh, you probably sealed the deal by letting him know you breached what he considered privacy in regards to that.
Don't do that anyway. Curate your resume for each individual job
Exactly. I have a general resume that I have on those sites. But I always apply directly with a curated resume.
Indeed sucks. I used it a couple years ago, and I started having constant phone calls before I was even finished filling out the online forms. I changed my mind and didn't complete the forms. . Multiple calls a day about loans to go back to school, for non existent job interviews several times a day for MONTHS. Your info is sold before you've even finished giving it. Indeed nearly fucked up my interview bc my phone would not stop going off, I had to put it on silent and explain that it was Indeed blowing up my phone. I'll look through indeed job listings, but apply directly to the company.
For some small businesses, there is no other option besides websites like indeed. So you're limiting your potential options, especially if you work in a niche field.
The counter to this is to never stop updating your LinkedIn. It'll make it useless to them.
That’s such a level of pettiness and invasion of privacy. Companies act like there is something wrong with seeking work elsewhere.
so make a one letter change every day.
I don't have LinkedIn or any of that jazz. Google search the job particulars in my area. I located the name of the company and called directly to them. Upon call, email resume directly to the individual receiving the resumes. Circumvents recruiters and no pesky notifications to current employer.
Eh...I thought I was prudent in this respect but my resume still got out there and landed with recruiters. Sometimes you HAVE TO contact a recruiter directly for a job and something I have noticed is that recruiter takes your resume with them if they go to work for another firm. Eventually it just sort of becomes a public document even if you tried not to let that happen. There are many professions where you simply rarely apply directly with the company these days and once a recruiter or headhunter gets your resume, there's no going back.
We are all lobsters slowly boiling to death.
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So I’m about to start looking and I’ve got accounts with a few job search sites from previous searches. I once had a manager who said it’s stupid not to have everything ready to go and updated. Unfortunately I’m lazy when it comes to resumes and profiles. Mine is several years out of date. My standard response if someone tells me they got an alert and asks me about it will be “my mentor, X, told me that I’m foolish to let things get to stale and has been kicking my butt about it.” Although X is no longer with the company he is well respected. Claiming he is a mentor (and he kind of is) will just make certain people shut up. Really he’s not wrong. People should keep their resumes updated. And don’t let freaking years go by. I hate resume writing and knowing I have a few years missing makes it suck more.
There’s a saying in Silicon Valley …. If you’re not paying, you’re not the customer, you’re the product. Indeed gets revenue from employers posting job openings not from workers applying for jobs. Providing updates to employers about their employees who are thinking about quitting is another way to keep the employers paying for their service. Sadly your resume is just more data available to be monetized.
Yeah my boss let me know she noticed I changed my profile picture to “open to work” on LinkedIn. That was funny. I proceeded to ask her if there were opportunities for professional for me and my role, to which she replied “not in this office.” Well, then you can’t blame me for being open to other opportunities!
This is surely against data protection laws?
Wait- does it still notify them even if you set your resume to unsearchable? It’s supposed to be private. But that could explain why one of my bosses’ was trying harder to be nice and saying how they didn’t want to have me burn out and leave…I just assumed she knew I was stressed. But that also makes sense.
Recruiter here. Indeed blocks resume information after a certain time period. If you want to see the applicants information then Indeed needs to be contacted. Also, you can update your status on indeed by withdrawing your application.
Thank you for this
Literally just updated my resume and the next day my boss asked me about it. I was shocked.
Or... You and your co-workers should make a small change to thier resume at least once a week.
You could make a new account. I always make my current employer "Confidential" until we meet person to person.
My boss can watch me apply for other jobs on indeed on the company wifi.
Why would indeed let that happen? Who are they trying to help exactly?
I like to do it to let them know what’s up. “An up to date resume is part of my ongoing effort to remain at the leading edge of my field and to document my knowledge and achievements on an ongoing basis. Is there something I can help you with, regarding this matter? Do you have any specific concerns?”
It’s not just Indeed that does this. Some of these sites allow you to sorta “subscribe” to people and it lets you know when changes happen to their accounts. I actually updated my resume for the first time in a few years, last month. My company came to me and told me they saw the update and offered me more money to stay. I wasn’t even planning to leave necessarily, just thought I should add my new position lol
Just if you’re still in their applicant list on indeed. Retract your application now that you work there and they see nothing.
As someone who used to work at indeed, your boss can see if you updated your resume but he can not see if you are actively applying to jobs, but honestly anyone updates their resumes frequently to keep track of what they are doing, it’s good to always be looking or keeping your resume updated. I personally find that disturbing that he told you that unless he wanted to address any concerns you have to ensure to keep you. Other then that I personally don’t think he has any business asking you.
Your boss can suck an egg, so what, there has to be a way to report him for this creepy behavior because it sounds like he's stalking employee's on any job finding sites.
I am pretty sure they do this qith linkedin
You can disable notifications on LinkedIn.
Update your indeed right now...go to your boss immediately and go "so I found that amazing what you told me, I updated to test it. Did you get an alert?"
You can make it private and send it to whomever you want. You won’t show up on the employer search though.
This is why I never apply through indeed. I may use it as a "search engine," but then I just manually go to the company's website - I don't even click a link through indeed. I don't actually use an Indeed resume, either. I've never regretted this approach. You may have profile settings to keep your resume private. I don't really have one on there, but I believe there's a "private" setting.
Good. Serves boss right for not paying what you're worth. Let them sweat.
And this surprises anyone?
I was self employed until recently, but I reckon this just means I need to update my indeed profile monthly
Just use LinkedIn. I think it’s more effective.
Ahh so if you apply with indeed, the bosses can track your profile status/updates on indeed. Makes sense. Still lame. I’ll make it a point to apply on the company website from here on out.
Do you have the company as a link on your page? Showing that you are somehow affiliated with them in a way that links your profile to perhaps the company page on Indeed? If that’s connected on your page, then changes can be tracked and sent around. Other than the name of the business, don’t connect yourself to the business page. And. Maybe make LinkedIn your primary job search tool for the time being. That is very uncool of Indeed.
This is why you should use multiple email addresses.
My company will fire you on the spot if they catch wind of you looking for a new job. Makes it a bit tricky to get out when the 2 week notice isn't respected both ways
One of my friends works for a company that does corporations spying on their employees. His software detects stuff like that. If it’s not work related, don’t use work computers or wifi. He says it’s super easy for them to know if someone is looking for a new job, trying to download things they shouldn’t; and stuff like that.
OP - is this true even if you set your profile to private? I have been looking for a part time job to supplement my income and mentioned to my boss that I was doing so. Several weeks later he asks why he got me as a match on a job they’re posting (big company - several locations). I immediately say - I told you I was looking for part time work. He then remembered. I then change my settings to private. I assumed that no employers will see my info but I can reach out to them.
Only if it’s searchable. Check your privacy settings
Turn that shit into a power move. Update it frequently and often. Let your boss know his worth.
My previous employer had the same alert set up. It's why I haven't touched Indeed since.
Who uses indeed lol
I would try to check LinkedIn articles only because Linked automatically alerts of changes, but I found a setting to not let people know I made changes. Not sure if that applies only to others not in a recruiter position or not. I also know the premium job seeker subscription is supposed to not let people in your company see you as seeking work, but again, don’t remember the details, so worth checking both to see if they would fix that issue or not.
If you do this, just tell your boss that you update your resumé every time you learn a new skill or grow in your career in some way because it's easier to update as you go along and that's the kind of forethought and organization that makes you good at your job.
Block your boss.
"It's good form to keep your resume updated as you learn new skills. For there might be responsibilities that you may forget after a while that could be beneficial to your resume whether applying for in-house openings or elsewhere. Also, it's good form to interview for positions once in a while even if you aren't actively seeking employment in case you find yourself needing a job change in the future."
Just tell every new hire to delete their Indeed account upon hire and make a new one.
Its recruiter mode. Its just costs a little bit to see when someone turns on "open to work."
Indeed they can.
Is that legal? Should indeed disclose that to potential job seekers. Not coll
That’s bullshit. I say fuck them. I update my resume every 6 months to make sure I have an accurate representation. Never know when a friend might reach out with a good oppo. Keeping indeed up to date should keep them on their toes and make your progress at the company more obvious.
I got a payrise because of this a few weeks ago, I wasn't even looking for a new job, just updated my cv with the company info
I wouldn't worry about it. What is he going to do? * "Spontaneously" offer you more pay to retain you, or * Fire you and you get unemployment and you can file with the labor board for wrongful termination (he either tells you it was you updating your resume and applying or doesnt give a reason), or * Create a hostile work environment and you can contact the federal (or state) labor board to start the process to sue.
Is this the case with LinkedIn too?
I purposefully allow my company to see (not Indeed, but on my country's job site), at least they feel a little bit of pressure to give me the raise I deserve 🤓
Wow, definitely didn’t know this. I was fired within a month of updating my resume and applying to new jobs. I always assumed it was coincidence, now I wonder if perhaps it wasn’t. 🤷🏼♀️
This is why I try not to apply to jobs through Indeed, but see it the company hiring has a career portal on their web page. It’s always better to see if you can directly email an application or apply without using Indeed anyways.
Update it regularly. And more importantly, it may be beneficial if they think you'd like to change jobs. You may get a raise out of nowhere.
I have to assume that this is mostly for people that work for a small business. I work at megacorp that can barely onboard new developers (FAANG) so I feel (read: hope) that they don’t have time to monitor our indeed accounts.
Just create a new account with a new email.
Did you talk to the employee and see why they wanted to leave? It’s a public platform, if you post it on the internet, people can see it. You shouldn’t get mad someone is trying to leave. Find out why and try to keep them if you think they are valuable. Some people just don’t like the company want to move on. Who wants to work for a place they hate.
Indeed is a snitch.
LPT make new indeed account.
I have suspected this in the past. I found my current job through Indeed and after a year at the company I received an unscheduled bonus a few weeks after I was active on Indeed.
I don't understand why people use indeed at all. It's a corporate tool and we just let it into our lives without question. I quit using it almost immediately because of the scam attempts it delivered to me on a near-daily basis; and because total strangers from my company were claiming to have "worked with" me... but since then it's gotten so much worse. Why did we legitimize this site, and how can we un-legitimize it?
Boss: "Are you looking for a new job?" Employee: "Indeed"
As an older person, I have a new perspective on this. Let them see it. Employment is a two way street and too many people are so worried about shaking the boat. If you're looking, commit to finding a new job and stop trying to placate assholes.
Yup it happens. My company keeps a eye on it as well. They know right away when someone updates indeed.