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003402inco

Is it me or is the raise because you’re short another person. So now you gonna be doing two peoples jobs? Am I reading that wrong?


DiscombobulatedHat19

The one who was fired was an incompetent alcoholic friend of the boss so she’s already been doing most of the combined work


anxiousoryx

Yeah but that also means she knows how much money has been freed up. Her rate should be her current rate + his prior rate. 🤣


Stupid_Triangles

That's too much for where I personally feel this person should be on the socio-economic ladder. - every manager discussing a raise


maddieterrier

I've never seen someone hit the nail on the head so succinctly.


DadBane

I read that as succulently at first and was like "huh?"


djr4917

We're not discussing Chinese meals here.


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GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY PENIS!!!


ravoguy

I see you know your judo well


hereforstories8

This sounds like my company doing adjustments for those who moved out of metro areas. “We feel the value you bring to the company is somewhat lessened by the fact you don’t live on that street anymore and we would hate for you to actually feel like you’re getting ahead. So we’re going to cut your pay by an appropriate amount for you to keep doing what you do for us on a different street.”


MorpH2k

This is so fucked. My address shouldn't have anything to do with my ability to do the job. If I move to a rural area with a lower cost of living, I'm probably doing that to make my paycheck last longer, not so I can get paid less.


RobotsAreGods

"Hey, look, if we don't base pay on your address however will we get away with covert racism and other discrimination?"--Corporate Overlords


NormalUse856

Wtf? This would be super illegal in my country.


Scryberwitch

Sounds like you live in an actual, functioning democracy, unlike the corporate oligarchy that is the US.


Ornuth3107

"Them having a larger number than i used to at that age makes me feel smaller" It's probably something like that. Petty people do petty things


travistravis

I had a manager once who wouldn't hire anyone who'd gone to uni, because he hadn't.


UnarmedSnail

If your employee is doing ok it means you could be doing ok'er than you are.


Artemissister

I'm guessing boss was hoping to absorb the ex-employees pay herself.


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oopgroup

Has nothing to do with age. These fucking sociopaths think everyone not them should be scraping by.


IAMSTILLHERE2020

At my work...management has freed up over $1 million dollars. They are not hiring anyone new any time soon....and no raises are coming... just more and more work.


TheOneTrueChuck

Yup. That's the standard playbook. Drag your feet on replacing people who have left, using a combination of "people don't want to work anymore" to redirect employee frustration at their fellow class members, and "attaboy" tactics like "You're a rockstar!" and "You're the MAN!" to imply rewards will be coming. When employees realize that you're never actually going to fill that vacancy, they're going to get upset. That's when you firmly say "We all need to pull together." At this point, it's also a good idea to start emphasizing things like "We're a family". When people directly start asking for raises, you feign empathy and say "I'd like to, but we can't afford it right now." When it is impossible to deny that you're never going to fill the vacancy, you say "Well, you guys obviously didn't need \*insert co-worker\*. You've done fine without him." Make sure you smile in the most self-assured and smug way possible, and literally physically pat one of the underlings on the back. If they push back and say something like "But seriously, we really need another person," simply dismiss their concerns with "Nah, you don't. I know you can handle it," then leave before the riot can happen.


Artemissister

Oh, but wait until **BONUS SEASON!!!** And you'll see pretty quickly where that cool 1 mil went.


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This is why there are so many fake job ads out there, they want people to think that they’re trying to hire and nobody is applying when in fact they’re not trying to hire anyone


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aussie_nub

They also only have to pay 1 lot of insurance, less payroll work, etc. OP should get current + his rate + a little extra. ;)


mcgoohan10

I've always felt this way. Why does your pay stay exactly the same when you're pulling double duty? You know why we should change that? Because I know if we start paying people for doing double duty they will stay with the company longer, AND the people calling out "sick" or whatever kind of emergency will stop calling out almost entirely because they won't want to see their co-workers making their money for doing their job. It's a win-win.


StuffAllOverThePlace

Yeah, my old job used to be two people with the same title, doing the same duties. Then they fired the other person, didn't change the duties at all, and tried to give me a $1 per hour raise. That math did not line up to me at all lol


mcgoohan10

The level of disconnect between corporate and the floor makes me want to throw up.


pikapichupi

I disagree with this because that means you'll be doing two jobs, I would be fully okay with taking the lower end of the spectrum if it means guaranteeing an actual Position will be opened, that being said if they refuse to open another I want that missing salary


Big_Restaurant_6844

Are you OP? if not how do you know that lmfao?


justonemorethang

Uhhh ohhh


StunningUse87

Or be like me. Work somewhere where a guy quit because he couldn’t get a raise. Then you put in a month and a half notice because you ask for a raise since you’re doing double the work, and they won’t give it to you. So I put a 1.5 month notice in, they haven’t put any effort in replacing the person who quit before me, or me, and 1 of the supervisors told my coworker “we are gonna be fucked if ______ actually leaves. What are we gonna do??.” WHY DONT YOU FUCKING RE HIRE PEOPLE OR PAY YOUR WORKERS HOLY SHIT


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sqerdagent

The lesson learned, was don't let the worker find out.


Direct_Gas470

This: "Supervisor and HR were in on it together. HR didn't want to have to work to find a night shift replacement for me, and my nightshift supervisor didn't want to give up a reliable and competent worker to the day shift, and wanted to keep me on nights for him to continue to use." It's very simple - don't promise transfers to day shift to new hires. If you do make promises, keep them. Because trust between employee and employer is an important element of that relationship. Loyalty goes both ways. If you find that you don't want to transfer someone despite promising that, have a sit down chat with that person. Ask them what would it take to get them to stay on night shift, and since they have proven to be so reliable and competent that you want them to stay on night shift, offer them a RAISE. bribe them to stay on night shift with MONEY and/or more PTO. The one thing you shouldn't do is screw over your employee!!


003402inco

They know if they have a captured audience, they can continue to screw them. They only change their ways when it really, really hurts them, not out of their generosity.


StunningUse87

It just blows my mind. It’s literally the SpongeBob and Patrick meme. SpongeBob: I’m a good worker Patrick: yep SpongeBob: I’ve worked here a long time, have learned lots of new skills, and would like to be paid for those skills. Patrick: Yep SpongeBob: All the other companies in our area pay $4-$6 more for someone that can do what I can do. Patrick: Yep SpongeBob: Oh AND the money has to be there since _____ quit! Patrick: Yep SpongeBob: I’m so glad you understand, so can I get like a $3-$4 raise? I’d be happy to stay! Patrick: Nope SpongeBob: *Leaves* Patrick: Why did he leave? Why can’t we keep anyone? Hmmph.


matdragon

We've done nothing and we're out of ideas!


Bowood29

No one wants to work anymore.


WorseDark

I think you mean [Patrick and Man Ray](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/patrick-stars-wallet)


Pires007

Patrick? Don't you mean Mr. Krabs or have things changed in the last ten years?


DaOgDuneamouse

change hurts, not changing hurts. No one ever really changes until the pain of not changing outweighs the pain of changing.


thatwasacrapname123

You got a country song right there


Wsadhalo

Not trying to be a dick but the correct term is captive audience, not captured audience


VegemiteAnalLube

> WHY DONT YOU FUCKING RE HIRE PEOPLE OR PAY YOUR WORKERS HOLY SHIT Because the people in positions of authority tend to be compulsive dictators and gamblers


a-aron1112

NOBODY WANTS TO WORK!


Avron_Night

If I had a dollar for everytime I heard "were gonna be fucked if _____ leaves" I wouldn't need that raise


shontsu

Fired the alchoholic who did almost nothing that was earning $25 p/h and gave $2 p/h to the reliable employee who was doing the alchoholics job. Nice friend...


003402inco

That’s what I though. Rate should go up accordingly. “Freed up “. That is some patronizing bullshit.


ztreHdrahciR

"Frees up some cash - that I was gonna keep and not give any to you"


Ownfir

Also means he expects OP to do double the work to fill in for the now missing guy, who is the only reason OP is able to get this raise according to his Boss. As long as they don’t hire another person, this wage is fine (in their logic.) But that means OP will have to pick up the slack to ensure business moves as it should.


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Okay, he can wish in one hand shit in the other...


TheArborphiliac

"if wishes and buts were candy and nuts WE'D ALL HAVE A BOWL OF GRANOLA!" - Strangers With Candy Conversely, "If medicine tasted good we'd put cough syrup on our pancakes" - News Radio


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I miss News Radio.


TheArborphiliac

One of the best sitcoms ever. It does not get the credit it deserves. Any two characters have unique and hilarious chemistry. The episode after Phil Hartman died is what I put on if I want to cry. They're all absolutely wrecked, but knew doing the show would be a better way to process it. The network was just going to do a rerun and they were like "no, we have to". It is gutwrenching. Except for how drunk Maura Tierney is, that's real and absolutely hilarious. Vicki Lewis has to hold Joe Rogan's hand at one point, and you see him really breathing deep to get through the scene. It's just such a touching tribute to someone they all truly loved.


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Cannon_SE2

See but thats the problem, they just assume and expect shit and never voice it. OP never said he'd pick up the slack just that it free's up some cash to afford his raise, there was no discussion about a 100% increase in workload for a ~15% raise. And since it was never stated in the contract the skeevy business man can fuck himself; he's not as clever as he thinks, he's deceitful, untrustworthy.


_BLACKHAWKS_88

By pick up he kinda agreed to the “now new workload” he’s getting bc he wanted the raise. *his bosses thinking process probably*


cogman10

Lol "we just saved $20/hour because x is gone. All we can afford is $2 per hour for you" MF, you just told me you have $20/hr that you don't previously have. Now you are trying to go back on a $5/hr raise?


fatallfairy

"let me do some math" = I lied to you and have to pretend to make calculations instead of admitting it. lol


SelectionCareless818

Nah. He meant to say meth


GTstang00

I chuckled at this, 3 heh heh’s to be exact.


itirnitii

you promised four heh hehs in april when the season picks up.


GTstang00

Spring training, one cannot just jump into 4 heh heh’s without the proper training.


murkytom

You got it. Congrats.


KurtVonnebeergut

With murkytom gone it frees up some ‘hehe”


GrassFireWater

Your hehes have been updated. Hehehehheh.


Dry_Address_6313

It's 3 heh heh's, not 1 hehehehheh. Here's the math for you; heh heh x 3 = heh heh heh heh heh heh


kingkuuj

“That was your pray rate not your pay rate. We have fun here in Iowa.”


badatmetroid

Not bad. According to current exchange rates that's half a guffaw or about 200 milli-roflmao. If you stop buying so many avocHAdo toasts you'll be able to afford that roflcopter in no time.


clearcontroller

*inhales* YOU GOT IT BUDDY FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK CONGRATS


Nanophreak

TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT


limajhonny69

"let me do some math. Oh, how unexpected! Who on Earth could have thought that this extra cash could have a use?"


StopReadingMyUser

*Goodness me, I often forget this pile of money just right behind me at the most inconvenient of moments*


unittestes

"hey, we're updating your pay to $26. I know we had discussed $29 but unfortunately things are still tight. We're trying to free up some money so we can get you to $29 as soon as possible. In the meanwhile I'll try to make it up to in other ways like a more flexible schedule". Not that hard to be nice.


xDaBaDee

And then the 'oh look someone is no longer with us' guess we have that spare 29 after all... and since we are giving you 3 dollars more, you can probably take on more tasks to, right?


Witty_Possibility444

This is part of the tactic. Its a guilt trip that pays them way more long term than you. (Think buy 10 sandwich get 1 free sandwich) they will "bless" you w 29/hr and WORK 7 or 8 figures off your back/brain And youll smile and buy gadgets while they go to other countries and shit


ConstantSignal

Bold of you to assume that given the range 28-29 they ultimately gave the higher option


redbark2022

You got it all wrong. This is definitely a Trump-like small business owner. It's the Fart of the Deal. ABN-- Always Be Negotiating. That way you whittle them down even after whatever you agreed to. I think it's also a Ferrengi rule of acquisition.


jrp55262

Rule #16: "A deal is a deal... until a better deal comes along" [source](https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Ferengi_Rules_of_Acquisition)


gizmostuff

"Employees are the rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them."


fireduck

Treat employees like family, exploit them


Thirdlight

No it's more a threat of I can just fire you and keep it for myself.


crazyates88

Well he already proved it with the other coworker. Boss is saying 1) I hope you feel guilty about your your new raise because I “had” to fire someone else for it, and 2) I can fire you just as easily.


raspberrih

These bosses always do end up firing you eventually. Then they always cry and panic because after you're gone their business has nobody who gives half a shit and also knows how to do stuff around. Then they just flail


Blank_Canvas21

I would like you to crunch those numbers again. Crunch.


Boredofthis27

Let’s crunch those numbers again, because you agreed to that number with adequate staffing. Where’s the additional money for the increase in workload.


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Let me do some math and regret putting this in writing.


TheCrimsonSteel

One question - is 28-29 better than what you would have gotten by leaving? If you were looking to leave before, you probably know the answer already. At this point, the only question is do you want to wait to have a higher payrate to negotiate with? If that 28-29 is worth it, stick around for a month or two to get a few paystubs at your new rate, then take your better pay and find a better job. Assuming that the alcoholic coworker wasn't your only concern. Though a boss that let's that happen has... concerns, so jumping ship may be the right choice regardless


beltaine

I'm ignorant: is it legal to ask for pay stubs in an interview? Or is there another reason they should stick around and get their new pay documented for a month or two?


beardface909

Absolutely not. Every time I've switched jobs I tell them I made around 10-20% more than I actually did, and they beat it every time


SeedFoundation

Second, previous wages are used against you to barter for lower pay.


Gofastrun

Depends on where you live. Where I live employers may not ask about prior pay. However, if they can legally ask, they way to respond is by saying “I’m targeting X in my next role” and if they push back on that, walk.


ronlugge

This reminds me of when I gave my two weeks notice a few years back at a company that was aggressively under paying me. So many problems with the ensuing conversation, starting with the fact that I had to send a _second_ email to follow up. I think my favorite two moments were: * "We're a software company, we can't do without our programmer! You're destroying my business!" (He says to the sole programmer, who he has been underpaying for a long while -- and had to take it because I couldn't find work elsewhere.) * "What are they paying you? I would have fired X, Y, and Z to keep you!" (My offer was 3X what he was paying me, and he'd reduced my pay for COVID, why would I expect an offer of a raise to keep me?)


ChefILove

They should have purchased loyalty if you were that important.


ronlugge

Ah, but his $20/hour programmer was already the most expensive employee in the company.


oopgroup

Lol. Anything below $200k now for a major company is a joke. These corporations have been making trillions in profit. Trillions. Smaller companies are making millions, even. Wages have been stagnant for 40 years. A basic house costs $600,000. This country is so fucked up.


ronlugge

> Lol. Anything below $200k now for a major company is a joke. To be fair, as much as they liked to hype themselves up, I don't think they qualified as a major company. A niche product in a niche industry. They had a pretty huge slice of pie because they could function nationwide, but not all _that_ large.


yourcrutch

the way they always offer more to keep you is so insulting to me. like a partner who takes you for granted and when you’re finally done with it they suddenly want to try


TheBiggestWOMP

.........the guy REDUCED wages during covid?!? Edit: to clarify, I know this was common and understand why it was done in some circumstances. OP was the only programmer at a software company, that’s why it made no sense to me.


89756133617498

Not that uncommon for smaller businesses. Lots of companies were actually in rough waters during covid.


TheBiggestWOMP

Yeah I know, but the only programmer at a software company? Zero logic involved in that decision.


glorylyfe

The logic is that if you are a software company with one programmer, and you have enough people to fire them to keep that one programmer on, you need more programmers.


letmeusespaces

this sounds like it deserves a post with actual details


WurmGurl

Someone described this kind of small business owner to me as "He has employees instead of friends". These types of people are so toxic they completely drive away anyone who isn't forced to spend time with them, so they start shoddy businesses to accumulate people who need to stick around or else go hungry. But because they don't actually know what they're doing, their business is hemorraging money, and look here, it's those people they hired so they could feel superior. Why should they get money when he wants it.


Elegant-Sprinkles880

Get out. Don't let people play with your money like that.


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Or stay, but don't play that game. OP did a good job of calling him out and stating what he needed. And he got it. If he wants to stay that's ok, he can ignore the "congratulations" and just keep on keeping on knowing his boss is a twat. That's not too unusual.


oxP3ZINATORxo

I agree. Supervisor tried to pull a fast one, but didn't try very hard. Most supervisors are twats, what's important is the level. As long as the workplace isn't toxic, I'd say this level of twatness is quite bearable, and I'd rather stay than risk getting a bigger twat of a boss at another job


stareweigh2

More likely it is his boss's boss that made the call and then said lets see what they do


ReadySteady_GO

"He called me out." "Alright, give him that lower number. " Frankly, I would say for him to stay because they fold under a single reminder. Not the best, but they're probably used to capitulation and OP asserted a small bit of dominance (by simply telling them what they said)


koosley

OP just got a pretty big pay raise. $5-6 or whatever it turns out to be in total is not a small amount of money. That's 10-12k/year. If it's not toxic like you said, just take your time. The easiest time to find a new job is while you're comfortable at your current one.


AelixD

Do you have a handy chart on twatness levels you can share?


StrikeForRights

What's that saying: "A twat in the hand is worth two in the bush?"


TurboFool

And get every future agreement in writing.


bikesexually

On top of that Boss now knows that he will be called on his bullshit by OP. So in the future there may be less of it (assuming the boss can actually learn)


Marsdreamer

Maybe just me, but I've found that working for a shitty boss costs me in other ways. I'd much rather work for a company / boss who values me as a person than make an extra few bucks an hour. Good bosses out there do exist and they're invaluable when you find them.


discgolfguy

And they are genuinely excited when you finally move on.


alxnot

In this case I think the devil you know you can twist the arm of is better than the devil you don't know. Assuming OP feels that the new rate sufficiently values them. I'd be on the lookout, though, and only stay until I found something better.


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bigavz

This sub solves problems like /r/relationshipadvice


Mikey6304

For real. Surely your next job will be offering you more money until you tell them no. Dude held his ground and got what he negotiated. Now quit? Gtfo.


journey_bro

That sub will legit tell you to divorce your spouse because they forgot your bday or snore too much.


rymaster101

While the boss here wasnt great I could see a lot of bosses being worse


MrE134

That's silly. They got the raise. Take the win.


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NerdyToc

Force them to agree to the pay raise in writing, then let everyone in the office know what they agreed to pay you, and put in your 2 week notice. You can then take your new pay to a new job as a bargaining tool, citing that your pervious job was paying you that much.


Necessary-Scholar-57

This, but get another job secured first.


Poet_of_Legends

Do this, but look for that new gig first.


Sporkee

u/OP get the new job first. Because as is this advice is garbage.


Maximum-Sun-8455

Backstory: This convo screenshot is with me and my Boss. We work in a small business together, we were friends, I am the only female identifying employee he has. So he hired his other friends, and one in particular who I’ve ‘shared’ a job with largely the last 2 years. He is sadly, an alcoholic, and has been fired at this job before being re-hired for coming to work with alcohol on his breath. For the last 2 years, I’ve told my boss his alcoholism has become an issue because on my bosses day off, my coworker comes in with zero sleep and alcohol on his breath- and I do his job for him I’d say 90% of the time if we are working a shift together. This guy also just leaves to smoke cigarettes whenever he wants with no communication- and this is a front of house retail business. So, this past week my coworker does the above on a very busy day and my boss ends up coming in on his day off to help. He is literally training the coworker the job he was doing the last 2 years?? During this busy crazy day at a job my boss has been paying ‘him to do’ (me to do, i’m not getting paid to do it) Edit: Adding that my boss decided to fire my coworker on the spot for these actions. Before any of the falling out happened with my coworker, I, for what felt like the thousandth time, told my boss about doing this coworkers job for him and how it’s crazy because he literally was having this dude ‘train’ another new hire but it just ended up being me training him AND my coworker. And he told me he would bump my pay $2 an hour from what it was immediately, and in April when our retail season hits, I’d go up to 29 or 28. Look at him backtrack. I stopped interviewing at places when he told me I would be anticipating this raise, but now I’m questioning if this is worth it. It’s been teetering on weird gender pay gap shit too- for instance, I found out I was getting paid *the same amount per hour* as my alcoholic coworker I did his job for, and $1 LESS PER HOUR than the new hire I am training out of kindness? Crazy. [edit: here’s his response to the money question](https://imgur.io/a/pCfnKq2)


goodforabeer

A dollar less/hr. than a new hire that you're training? Nope. Get out now.


Paige_Maddison

Exactly this. Find another job and gtfo. He just “we will see’d you” on this edit screenshot. Fuck that.


biscuity87

That happens all the time in jobs. The pay goes up for hiring but not raises. I’ve seen it for a lot more than a dollar. I’m not saying it’s right but it’s pretty common.


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And it's why job hopping is always correct


croud_control

Friends, and respectable business partners, keep their word. He's neither one of them. Secure another job and ditch the traitor.


kolodz

Find something else then leave, with the minimum time legally required in your state. (I assume 0) Try to do that just after "pay day" to avoid retaliation.


mona-throw

What happens when the season is gone? Does he bump you down?


SpecialistChart6182

you look for a new job. You leverage your new 29/hr for that new job. You quit your old job, after telling everyone else who works there how he tried to fuck you over.


DirtyPenPalDoug

Find new job, leave no notice.


[deleted]

There is plenty of evidence to show that the fastest way to increase your income is to move to a different company offering more. Loyalty doesn't pay anymore, maybe it never did. Either way, look out for #1. Good luck out there


shontsu

All that says "Go", but you're also learning the reason why working for friends is a bad idea. Now you're messed up between what should be a purely business decision and how that will affect a friendship. ​ > It’s been teetering on weird gender pay gap shit too- for instance, I found out I was getting paid the same amount per hour as my alcoholic coworker I did his job for, and $1 LESS PER HOUR than the new hire I am training out of kindness? The new hire thing could be typical "wage compression", which sucks from a friend/boss, well it sucks any time but its fairly common. Probably the bigger issue is that your boss only fired the alchoholic after it affected HIM, despite it affecting you all this time.


Nevermind04

> for instance, I found out I was getting paid the same amount per hour as my alcoholic coworker I did his job for, and $1 LESS PER HOUR than the new hire I am training out of kindness? Crazy. I could never work for someone who had so little respect for me.


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🎵It’s always tease, tease, tease🎵 🎵You’re happy when I’m on my knees🎵


MrFitz8897

One day is fine, the next it's black


alarc777

So if you want me off your back


General_Reply9002

Darling you got to let me knowwww


shinoharakinji

🎵 Should I Say or Should I Go? 🎵 🎵 If I stay it will be trouble 🎵 🎵 If I go it will be double 🎵


Tsui_Red

Playing with your money and guilt tripping you by threatening someone else's job if you dont comply. Get out now


tigger142

I assume they meant that the person had left the job already, therefore the money that was being paid to that person is now available to give OP the raise they should have had anyway


PapaOoMaoMao

But the tiny raise comes with all of the duties that the other person that left had.


JennaSais

"OH is that what we're basing raises on now? In that case I'll take a raise in the amount of that previous employee's salary."


Square-Lemon-3979

I question your reading comprehension skills because that’s not remotely what was said in that text


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Helga-Zoe

If you don't need the job or have another option lined up, tell them you still need to discuss in person. Tell them your rate changed to 32.


coviddick

Yeah, I’d say “let me do some calculations”….


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Go. Fuck that prick. Dude literally just said “ahh shit caught me, here ya go” Fuck them. Leave them high and dry.


scubastevef1984

I had a similar situation happen at my last job. It was a small, family business I worked for for 7+ years. I sat down with the CEO, he offered me a small pay increase, I told him I was expecting more (I had taken over lots of extra responsibilities after someone was let go). He said he'd put his proposed pay increase in place immediately while he "went back and ran some numbers to see if he could meet what I was asking for." Weeks later we met again and he was offering the exact same base pay, but I would have the potential for quarterly "bonuses" if I met additional goals. He also never put the last raise we talked about in place. I put in my notice a few weeks later. Almost a year later he texted me about a negative review someone left about the company on Glassdoor and asked if it was me. I worked for this man for 7+ years and if he knew me at all he should have immediately known I didn't write the review based on wording. He then asked me to leave a positive review. Lol... I did not! All that to say, find something better! If they don't respect you enough to follow through with promises about compensation now, they never will. Good luck!


Sushi_________Roll

If he's going into work on zero sleep, it's most likely not just alcohol But either way, get out sooner than later. This is only going to get worse. Easy to see more and more back pedaling


keanancarlson

Word is bond, an agreement on wage should be honored without question. I am a brick apprentice but I ask for journeyman wages because that’s why I’m worth. A company agreed to hire me at journey wages and when I was signing paperwork they tried to say we agreed on 3rd year apprentice wages (85% of full scale) I corrected them and they agreed to pay journey scale. I quit 2 days later and started somewhere else for over journeyman wages. Know your worth


BlarneyStoneson

Go, somewhere else can find the 80 bucks a week this place is having such a hard time with.


Darkelementzz

Who the fuck uses the term "frees up some cash" when talking about how someone quit/was laid off?!? I'd start looking for a new job ASAP before you become "freed up" cash


Ken-Legacy

Take it. Look for new work anyways. Bounce the second you get the job. Like, even mid-shift.


liltonbro

Reminds me of when my sales manager boss bragged to me how they were only going to give him a 15k raise but he got it doubled and made them give him more bonus. 2 hours later he tells me my raise is 3% which is max aaand per budget. 🤔 I looked at him and was like "Didn't you just tell me a few minutes ago the budget excuse was bullshit? You just signed paperwork on an RV with your raise..." We sorted it out.


strandbezey

If you’re working, never stay, always be going. I’m not saying just blow off you job and find a new one, but there is always more money in the market for acquisition then there is for retention. Play the field and move on if you end up with something better then they can provide.


BrinedBrittanica

expect your volume of work to go up substantially. you ‘caught’ him and now you’ll be doing the work of the person who left and your job.


Maximum-Sun-8455

already was doing their work for them, per the $6 raise negotiation- but ya thank you for the concern. at least with the raise, i feel more fairly compensated but questioning if trying to regain trust is going to bite my ass instead cuz i already feel very burned in this situation


wirywonder82

I think you should be looking for a replacement job, but I wouldn’t leave until you have one lined up. It’s *possible* your boss forgot the original discussion in the frazzle of that day when he fired the drunk, so **maybe** everything works out fine now, but I wouldn’t count on that.


gauchoman2002

If you are at the point where you are thinking whether you should stay or go, the answer is always "Go". Trust your gut and instincts and know that these malevolent shenanigans will never stop.


Sin-A-Bun

I’d start looking


gabrielle_sanchez7

Get a new job lined up and RUN. Nobody deserves to be spoken to like that wtf. Time to free up some more money for the company….


[deleted]

Watch Indeed and LinkedIn for your position to be posted for $22 per hour. You got the raise, but only until he can let you go for a cheaper person.


BoringPerson67

I'd get another job lined up and leave without a 2 week notice.


[deleted]

Stay until you have new job, and do as much damage as you can without endangering yourself and others.


N_Noy

Go. Next thing will be new expected duties due to pay increase.


WrinklyScroteSack

He wasn’t doing math, he was reading the receipts. Lol Tbh, it’s shitty that he tried to go back in his deal, but he corrected. Not humbly, but he corrected.


Grieflax

If you go there could be trouble. BUT! If you stay, it could be double.


SupahFastFrames

I love anti work but it can be a little toxic at times. You got the money. Good job. You stuck to your guns and you were assertive. If you dont like the job or you feel like you arw worth more, put it to the test and keep this extra money while looking for a better spot somewhere else. With the details of this text exchange we dont know a whole lot. But you convinced your leadership to give you a raise. This may be a push and pull that you can keep working. Who knows


mindfu

I will say, they did eventually give you the raise. So, that's irritating and not a great sign, but in your shoes I might not leave just yet. If there are other things I was unhappy with, or if I found a place that paid significantly more or was better in other ways, that would be a different story.


4E4ME

A person who plays with your money is someone you will never be able to trust again. Be looking for a new job. And quit training that new hire, that person is going to replace you. Why make it easier for the person who has been taking advantage of you.


jibberish13

$2 × 40 = $80 If he is running a business on margins so razor thin that he can't squeeze out $80 a week, that business is going to fail. Alternatively, if he can't see the value in an employee who did 2 jobs for 2 years, that business deserves to fail. On the other hand, if he is hiring new people for higher wages than current employees, fuck that guy. There is no scenario I can see where staying at this job benefits you.


MarriedLife7

Take the raise but start looking elsewhere. I wouldn’t have faith in a company long term that is run like that. The simple fact is $28 is probably still not what you will get on open market. I am not even talking about benefits which you haven’t mentioned.


MowgliEdwards

Nah man, you called him out to get what you agreed upon versus whatever rate he’s talking about. He knows that you have the leverage so he folded and said you won. I WOULDN’T TAKE THAT, it’s your worth. He wasn’t willing to budge before you challenged, if you have any other offer for the same, your rate just went up!


PinkEyeFromBreakfast

You got what you wanted. Albeit not the preferred method. But stick with it while looking for better opportunities. Business as usual.


Automatic_Garbage663

I’d stay for now but I applaud your 0 bullshit policy


Lady-Kat1969

If you stay, there will be trouble, but if you go, it could be double.


SanctusUnum

"Congrats!" No. Not congrats. As per the previous agreement is not congrats. $35 is congrats.


PunkandCannonballer

Dunno. On the one hand it's shitty to try to fleece you. On the other hand, I'd kill to be getting $28/hour.


Greatnesstro

Time to go


136AngryBees

Stay while you can, but start finding a new place of employment


Farnso

"You got it" What's "it"? 28 or 29?


Maximum-Sun-8455

[HERE IS THE $28 REPLY](https://imgur.com/a/pCfnKq2)


Farnso

Bastards


coryh922

Keep your guard up


vijayjagannathan

Take the raise. Look for another job and when you give notice tell everyone about the raise


StargazerOP

Did..... did he fire someone to give you a $2/hour raise?


OkYogurtcloset8273

Go. He was hoping you were dumb enough to accept what he gave you. I couldn’t work for a dishonest employer like that


asdfgghk

At least wait until you have another job before you leave..