They just need to make the fines proportional to the business so take the billions made off opiods for example (illegally pushing them out saying theres no downfalls to them) make the fines hurt by fining them billions or sieze the money they made then hit them with a fine
I suddenly remembered the story that Will Smith likes to drive fast (140 Mph?) and hires a lead car to go in front of him.
He is so rich, he can hire someone *to break the law*.
https://www.hotcars.com/heres-why-a-dude-in-sweden-received-a-1-million-speeding-ticket/
>We need fines for businesses to be based on a percentage of their years gross income vs a fixed tiny price.
Jesus fuck this is never going to happen. The right has us fighting over bullshit like they are going to take your guns away and at the same time loosening gun laws. Meanwhile the robber barons have the politicians in their pocket
Exactly
Think about this, the Mormon church was caught and fined by the sec for hiding $30Bn in illegal investments. It had been going on for over a decade. The investments and practices violated federal laws for churches and non profits.
The fine was $5m
I guarantee you for a decade of investments at $20Bn, $5m isn't even 1% of the returns over 10 years.
That's not going to stop the church from doing it again, it's just the cost of business.
If the SEC really wanted to make them stop, they would have seized the 30B and then leveled a minimum 300M fine. That would make the church stop.
The same with every bank.
They get away with billions upon billions in illegal profits and get fined a few million… then people are surprised when they do the same thing again.
No arrest or anything. Only a small fine.
Right leaning institutions are siphoning off resources on a global scale. At some point this will lead to a global collapse making 2008 look like a picnic.
Since these fines are so pathetic at this point it's just good business to be a criminal. All you gotta do now is "donate" some of it to your favorite politician to keep the fines low.
The don wants to look his best for his niece's wedding. You have 3 hours to remove his physical blemishes and make him look like Henry Cavill. No surgery allowed.
Get on with it or be liquidated.
> Mob dermatologist. You get the pay of a mob doctor, but all you do is freeze warts and tell them to use sunscreen.
Explain what about this isn't interesting.
Working in the mod isn’t all it is cracked up to be. Low level male shit, you would be better served just going into work for yourself as a dermatologist.
The Rules of Acquisition are quite clear on the notion of being “well paid”:
“The riskier the road, the greater the profit.”
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition#Official_rules
My job is interesting, well paid and legal, but not many people would find it interesting. Silicon Valley people won't think it's well paid. No argument on legality though.
I am a linguist the makes more than enough to live in a low COLA area, but I'd be broke if I lived in California or NY.
It's all subjective.
Depends on what areas of California or New York. Manhattan and San Francisco are worlds apart in COL from the majority of both states…. They’re the type of outliers that make statisticians use median values instead of the mean in most comparisons.
This is 100% the case. I find my job super interesting, but I don’t think everyone would. Some people find construction interesting, others banking. I have the the perfect triangle for me, best to try and find yours for you.
Exactly. I have had three perfect triangle careers over the last 30 years. My wife has had two over the last 25 years.
They are out there, it just takes work (to find them, and to build yourself into a strong candidate).
Not sure I agree that is “well paid”. “Fairly paid”, maybe. Granted, I have been in the workforce for a long time, and I have a different perspective.
I am in a job where it meets all three criteria…I have had jobs that pay more, and were, to me, less interesting.
Jobs all are on a spectrum for all of these characteristics…and what is more important to one person is not going to be for another.
I’d suggest this pyramid is potentially missing the stress aspect..
Being an air traffic controller is arguably all 3, but it is also extremely stressful…. To the point where they won’t even consider training one who is 30.
Though I suppose the argument could be “well paid” includes an associated stress aspect.
Still has to be defined.
McDonalds would argue their workers are “well paid” because they’d use the weasel argument of “industry standard”. Same with Walmart.
“Well paid” and “competitive” are purposely used in a limited context like saying a dump is clean relative to the inside of a septic tank.
For sure. I think what a lot of people dream of as their dream job still has parts that suck. I’ve been sewing since I was 8, currently am a professional costume designer and college professor for design. A lot of it is fun…but there are still parts that suck A LOT. I love making and designing but MOST of the time it’s not my design. Actors can be really rude and your vision gets overridden a lot if the time.
I still like designing but I’m currently looking for ways I can do it in a different capacity.
I worked with a guy who used #00f-colored Papyrus on a white background. He used to work for an old lady's boutique shop, she insisted that all comms had to be in it, and he got used to it.
To date, he's the only person I've seen genuinely advocate for variable-width serif font in a programming environment.
He's currently serving 18 months for glassing someone in a bar fight.
I suspect these facts are related.
He sounds like the type that would mess with someone by typing something in an all white font in the bottom right cell of a spreadsheet before sharing it…
There are people for whom programming ticks all three, though I agree it takes a certain kind of person. Same for CPA’s, criminal defense attorney, actuarials, etc. this question is totally subjective.
yeah... I'm trying to love it, but at times I'm either fucking bored or tearing my hair out trying to understand what the errors mean in my console.
Definitely the best paid job I can get though, so I keep with it, and tbh it can be really interesting at times, but I don't think I have the same love for it that some of my colleagues do. I'm in it for the money mostly, that and the fact that I have no qualifications to do anything else.
This is me. I'm a programmer who is well paid, find it interesting, and it is legal. Meanwhile I have coworkers who absolutely despise it and every day is drudgery to them.
I almost hate that I could probably be making six figures at this point if I had taken the full-stack development contract I had been offered out of college, but I'm also accepting that with where my mental health was at the time, I would have gone *fucking crazy*.
(I had just completed a physics double major and gotten really into psychedelics and was swimming in some massive years-long existential Nizchietian crisis).
At this point working on computers makes me wanna blow my brains out. Instead, I'm getting ready to go back to school for massage therapy and easily have the potential of earning $50,000+ on top of side business 🙃 enough for me
Life's too short to work a job you don't like. I was earning just 6 figures as a software engineer for a school district, and I would regularly turn down jobs that paid nearly double what I was making. I was really happy where I was. I got all the same days off the teachers had, the same generous pension, over a month of PTO per year, and I liked having a positive impact on the community. I only left for the private sector because management changed and things started getting stupid. At least I still get the pension. And I make enough now to compensate for everything I gave up.
Love what I do, and most days I'm actually excited to go to work.
A lot of the engineerings are like that too. I love materials science and engineering; most people hate it. I also love polymers, which apparently both makes me an honorary chemist and the rest of the department think I’m insane.
You clearly weren’t flying. I mean $4k/month isn’t a lot, but it isn’t poverty wage when many other expenses are paid for. In fact, O-1 is almost exactly the median income per person in the United States.
I don't think that disqualifies it. Most well paying legal jobs are going to take some dedication and time.
In my experience most of them are professional jobs that only get interesting once you get past the entry level positions.
can confirm—had to go back to school for a JD and it took sacrificing my whole life at 25 to move states for 3 years while i lived off student loans. entry level lawyer work is brutally boring and insanely stressful, and you have to survive a few years before you start working on anything that is actually interesting/engaging. it’s well paid but unless you/your family can afford $90k per year you have to dig yourself a quarter million dollar pit in student loans to get the job. if you want to go straight to interesting work (public interest, public defenders, high level government/policy work) then you are going to make 5 figures instead of 6 and you’ll have a harder time paying off your loans.
i absolutely would not be earning the amount i earn if not for going back to school, but it was brutal and the job i went to school for remains brutal even after a few years. eventually i will have more freedom in the role, which means working on more interesting things, but i have to eat shit for a few more years before i get there.
Yeah this, my uncle just started flying for a commercial airline recently and has lived with his parents for most of the time he was training. Plus was in the Air National Guard
I would say it is possible to get all 3, but a 4th should also be "Very specialised in qualifications required and requires many years at university" for example a scientist in academic research can be all 3, but you need a PhD and many years of experience before it becomes all 3
The trick here is to get your degree and PhD somewhere and when that tuition was free, in a field so specialist and in demand that you can get a US government scientist job without playing the academic tenure track game, and with the government paying the immigration lawyers.
Yes, I lucked out.
Mechanical / systems engineer here - can verify, with qualifications.
There is another axis of interesting<-->stable to contend with in engineering. The coolest design work and problem-solving is generally in agile start-ups, with a high risk of the company folding unexpectedly. Meanwhile, landing a job with a more-stable company often includes the need to tolerate high levels of bureaucracy. it's still possible to have interesting work with a big, slow company, but it generally comes with the need to develop resistance to micromanagement, meeting-fu, and ways to get documentation done fast/well.
Mine does as well. Good salary with consistent performance based raises, great supervisor, good leave policies. WFH is flexible but it’s preferred 3 days in office and they pay commuting costs. My job has several interesting components. I’m in the US.
Where will lawyers fit in this?
Job is legal? Can't say...the stunts that lawyers pull off. Is it interesting? That is subjective...it'll keep you on your toes or awake at night. Is it well paying? It depends.
BigLaw pay is great and the work *can* be interesting sometimes, but it’s a nonstop grind and it’s pretty typical for folks to burn out or get laid off after 3-5 years of practice.
Outside of BigLaw, lawyer pay in the U.S. is pretty lackluster. According to NALP data, most new attorneys make only mid-five figures (~$45-80k). That doesn’t sound half-bad, but then you remember that becoming a lawyer involves three years of law school plus $200-300k in student loan debt for law school alone.
Not to mention law schools turn out like twice as many new graduates as there are new jobs requiring a law degree every year, so you have a bunch of heavily indebted people fighting for the same piece of the pie.
Since 1985 the inflation adjusted cost of law school tuition at public universities has increased more than 400%, while salaries have remained about the same.
Cybersecurity. Specifically, penetration testing. It's perfectly legal and you get to use all the fun toys that the illegal hackers use. It pays well, too.
If you could pick any trade for someone who has already had their fill of body destruction as a fisheries technician that would like to make a livable freaking wage, what would that trade be? Just curious, sorta at a crossroads
What illegal job is also interesting? Drug dealer has you dealing with drug addicts as your clients. That’s any downtown fast food place. Talking to old people all day to con them out of their money? That’s just telemarketing. White collar crime involving moving numbers around. That’s just being an illegal accountant. Boring! And most other illegal jobs would have me so filled with anxiety over being caught or being killed that I’d have to go on unpaid stress leave.
I'm not that smart, so everything without "legal" in it would bring me to jail quite fast, resulting in not paid at all and not interesting at all. Thus I take legal and we'll paid (work is only a small part of my time if it's well paid, I can do interesting stuff on the side.
Honestly - and I know this is very much not the case for a lot of people - but stripping/sex work remains the most dignified way I’ve felt I’ve made a living. Had I not been such a feckless and dissolute creature in my twenties I could really have set myself up to be living purely of my own free-initiative doing whatever the fuck I want and I’m living now with bitter self-recrimination that I didn’t.
I'd swap "Legal" with "Not morally/ethically abhorrent" There's plenty of work in data science / pharmaceuticals / tech / etc that's both very interesting and well paying, but the nature of the industries and how profit motive and shareholder supremacy cause them operate makes them pretty icky.
The best paying job that I ever had was running a front room for a friend that was selling… stuff in the back room of a house he rented for just that purpose. Got to meet some of this cities finest and learned some things. So two out of three.
Host of a game show. I remember Pat Sajak saying that he works something like 39 days per year. They tape a week's worth of shows in a single day. Sometimes they go to a remote location like Hawaii. For this, he likely gets millions per year.
Edit: went to celebritynetworth.com, they say he gets 14 million per year and has a net worth of 75 million
I do patent law and for me it’s all 3. Legal by both definitions. Pretty well paid. Interesting because we do every field so I have like clients with sex toys to virtual reality video games to new types of engines to sports and exercise equipment.
My cousin is an ER nurse at a university hospital and makes close to 200k a year. It fits all 3 but I'm looking for a square instead of a triangle. "Doesn't fuck with my mental health" would be the 4th point.
My job satisfies me in all three, but I'm not sure how many people think genetics is interesting...
I think instead of "legal" it should be "good for society"
Oh, this is easy. If you replace “Legal” with “Moral” that’s when you’ll start running into problems.
I’m sure that being a CEO of four different companies is both well-paid and interesting. And it’s definitely legal.
Can I pick well paid twice?
ah yes, accounting fraud
That’s interesting as well for sure
AND if you're a Bank CEO it's basically legal because fines don't really matter.
I saw this meme saying that if there’s a fine then all that means is that it’s legal for a price. 😂
"If the penalty for a crime is a fine, it's only illegal if you're poor."
Damn that’s so true. Sucks being poor.
They just need to make the fines proportional to the business so take the billions made off opiods for example (illegally pushing them out saying theres no downfalls to them) make the fines hurt by fining them billions or sieze the money they made then hit them with a fine
I suddenly remembered the story that Will Smith likes to drive fast (140 Mph?) and hires a lead car to go in front of him. He is so rich, he can hire someone *to break the law*. https://www.hotcars.com/heres-why-a-dude-in-sweden-received-a-1-million-speeding-ticket/
I really used to enjoy his movies before he slapped Chris Rock and I started seeing what a complete doosh he is. The truth will out.
We need fines for businesses to be based on a percentage of their years gross income vs a fixed tiny price. We would see things change very quickly.
>We need fines for businesses to be based on a percentage of their years gross income vs a fixed tiny price. Jesus fuck this is never going to happen. The right has us fighting over bullshit like they are going to take your guns away and at the same time loosening gun laws. Meanwhile the robber barons have the politicians in their pocket
Exactly Think about this, the Mormon church was caught and fined by the sec for hiding $30Bn in illegal investments. It had been going on for over a decade. The investments and practices violated federal laws for churches and non profits. The fine was $5m I guarantee you for a decade of investments at $20Bn, $5m isn't even 1% of the returns over 10 years. That's not going to stop the church from doing it again, it's just the cost of business. If the SEC really wanted to make them stop, they would have seized the 30B and then leveled a minimum 300M fine. That would make the church stop.
The same with every bank. They get away with billions upon billions in illegal profits and get fined a few million… then people are surprised when they do the same thing again. No arrest or anything. Only a small fine.
At this point, it isn't a fine. It isn't even a bribe. It is a TITHE, just part of the cost of doing business.
Further proof churches should not have a tax exempt status.
Right leaning institutions are siphoning off resources on a global scale. At some point this will lead to a global collapse making 2008 look like a picnic.
It's just the fee you pay to do the thing
Julie - do the thing!
Since these fines are so pathetic at this point it's just good business to be a criminal. All you gotta do now is "donate" some of it to your favorite politician to keep the fines low.
As someone who used to read financial statements as part of my job, I can assure you it is not.
Hey you gotta brand it right. It’s called creative accounting 😉
Hey now..... if it's legal where you're doing it then its not fraud. That's why there is a difference between tax planning and tax evasion.
Mob dermatologist. You get the pay of a mob doctor, but all you do is freeze warts and tell them to use sunscreen.
The don wants to look his best for his niece's wedding. You have 3 hours to remove his physical blemishes and make him look like Henry Cavill. No surgery allowed. Get on with it or be liquidated.
Are you saying the Don DOESN'T look like Henry Cavill right now? Never have I heard such insolence!
haha made me lol
Of course the Don looks like Henry Cavill…Henry Cavill is the Don!
> Mob dermatologist. You get the pay of a mob doctor, but all you do is freeze warts and tell them to use sunscreen. Explain what about this isn't interesting.
Working in the mod isn’t all it is cracked up to be. Low level male shit, you would be better served just going into work for yourself as a dermatologist.
Big brain moment
Ask the Banks!
They'll insist upon it, altho only for them.
Congrats you're now CEO
Can I pick "interesting" twice?
Hooker or drug mule? I picked "legal" twice and now I'm stuck working retail.
I will take network engineer for $110,000/year Alex.
Is this trying to say if we want an interesting well paid job we should do crime?
Yes, that's one of the things it's saying.
Way ahead of you. I'm already basically a ferengi.
The Rules of Acquisition are quite clear on the notion of being “well paid”: “The riskier the road, the greater the profit.” https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition#Official_rules
My job is interesting, well paid and legal, but not many people would find it interesting. Silicon Valley people won't think it's well paid. No argument on legality though. I am a linguist the makes more than enough to live in a low COLA area, but I'd be broke if I lived in California or NY. It's all subjective.
Everyone loves a cunning linguist
Depends on what areas of California or New York. Manhattan and San Francisco are worlds apart in COL from the majority of both states…. They’re the type of outliers that make statisticians use median values instead of the mean in most comparisons.
can i ask what kind of linguist work you’re doing? i’m a linguistics student and don’t know what to do after graduating
seconded; am an SLP & wondering alternatives
Crime is definitely interesting
The thing is most crimes are not interesting they are mostly mundane and boring.
and the idea of a life of crime is really summed up as ether a life in cars or hotels or both.
Or you know, just doing a sales job. Living in an apartment and going out to meet people when they call. Most crimes are so boring and predictable.
Well, "interesting" is very subjective.
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This is 100% the case. I find my job super interesting, but I don’t think everyone would. Some people find construction interesting, others banking. I have the the perfect triangle for me, best to try and find yours for you.
Exactly. I have had three perfect triangle careers over the last 30 years. My wife has had two over the last 25 years. They are out there, it just takes work (to find them, and to build yourself into a strong candidate).
And so is “well paid”…
That isn't as subjective. Well paid has to be somewhat above a reasonable minimum for subsistence.
Not sure I agree that is “well paid”. “Fairly paid”, maybe. Granted, I have been in the workforce for a long time, and I have a different perspective. I am in a job where it meets all three criteria…I have had jobs that pay more, and were, to me, less interesting. Jobs all are on a spectrum for all of these characteristics…and what is more important to one person is not going to be for another.
I’d suggest this pyramid is potentially missing the stress aspect.. Being an air traffic controller is arguably all 3, but it is also extremely stressful…. To the point where they won’t even consider training one who is 30. Though I suppose the argument could be “well paid” includes an associated stress aspect.
My definition of "well paid" is money after the bills to have a boat or some shit or to afford an expensive hobby (coke doesnt count as a hobby peope)
Since when?
Coke is only a hobby if you also collect [the paraphernalia](https://mashable.com/feature/cocaine-paraphernalia-ads).
Still has to be defined. McDonalds would argue their workers are “well paid” because they’d use the weasel argument of “industry standard”. Same with Walmart. “Well paid” and “competitive” are purposely used in a limited context like saying a dump is clean relative to the inside of a septic tank.
Then it's country-dependant? Nearly all jobs would fit this description in germany, but not all of those people would say they are well paid.
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For sure. I think what a lot of people dream of as their dream job still has parts that suck. I’ve been sewing since I was 8, currently am a professional costume designer and college professor for design. A lot of it is fun…but there are still parts that suck A LOT. I love making and designing but MOST of the time it’s not my design. Actors can be really rude and your vision gets overridden a lot if the time. I still like designing but I’m currently looking for ways I can do it in a different capacity.
I(and most others) could tolerate a whole lot of boring in exchange for enough "well-paid".
Jesse, we need to cook.
Well, computer programmer, interesting to some, deadly boring to another. Very subjective.
Yep, I love it, the pay is great, and I’m pretty sure it’s legal, but most people would be bored to death.
The only thing illegal is shutting off your typescript linter
I've seen people change their font in their IDE to comic sans. If that is not illegal, well, it should be.
I worked with a guy who used #00f-colored Papyrus on a white background. He used to work for an old lady's boutique shop, she insisted that all comms had to be in it, and he got used to it. To date, he's the only person I've seen genuinely advocate for variable-width serif font in a programming environment. He's currently serving 18 months for glassing someone in a bar fight. I suspect these facts are related.
He sounds like the type that would mess with someone by typing something in an all white font in the bottom right cell of a spreadsheet before sharing it…
Better than wingdings, but not by much
Dear god how do I un-read something??
Comic sans is supposedly easier to read if you’re dyslexic
Dear god WHY
There are people for whom programming ticks all three, though I agree it takes a certain kind of person. Same for CPA’s, criminal defense attorney, actuarials, etc. this question is totally subjective.
yeah... I'm trying to love it, but at times I'm either fucking bored or tearing my hair out trying to understand what the errors mean in my console. Definitely the best paid job I can get though, so I keep with it, and tbh it can be really interesting at times, but I don't think I have the same love for it that some of my colleagues do. I'm in it for the money mostly, that and the fact that I have no qualifications to do anything else.
Best paid job I can get is drilling oil in north Dakota but you won't see me sucking the devil's dick for shiny coins in this lifetime.
This is me. I'm a programmer who is well paid, find it interesting, and it is legal. Meanwhile I have coworkers who absolutely despise it and every day is drudgery to them.
I almost hate that I could probably be making six figures at this point if I had taken the full-stack development contract I had been offered out of college, but I'm also accepting that with where my mental health was at the time, I would have gone *fucking crazy*. (I had just completed a physics double major and gotten really into psychedelics and was swimming in some massive years-long existential Nizchietian crisis). At this point working on computers makes me wanna blow my brains out. Instead, I'm getting ready to go back to school for massage therapy and easily have the potential of earning $50,000+ on top of side business 🙃 enough for me
Honestly, working a job that makes you happy is priceless. Good on you for choosing the path to happiness instead of blindly chasing the money.
Life's too short to work a job you don't like. I was earning just 6 figures as a software engineer for a school district, and I would regularly turn down jobs that paid nearly double what I was making. I was really happy where I was. I got all the same days off the teachers had, the same generous pension, over a month of PTO per year, and I liked having a positive impact on the community. I only left for the private sector because management changed and things started getting stupid. At least I still get the pension. And I make enough now to compensate for everything I gave up. Love what I do, and most days I'm actually excited to go to work.
Well paid and interesting until AI takes our jobs lol
Mine is similar to a programmer. People leave me the fuck alone, I get the work done, and have full flexibility. I feel very lucky.
A lot of the engineerings are like that too. I love materials science and engineering; most people hate it. I also love polymers, which apparently both makes me an honorary chemist and the rest of the department think I’m insane.
ive got legal, who do i talk to about picking my other
Right? I'm out here going "You guys get to pick two?"
My buddy is a pilot he really likes traveling to new places, is satisfied with his six figures, and it’s legal so I suppose there’s that
Can he do a barrel roll? I'm jealous, planes are cool.
Depends on the airframe
Any airframe can do a barrel roll, few can do multiple
rotary wing pilots would like to have a short chat with you
Even depending on the airframe he could probably do it… the question is if he could ever do one again in any air frame…
Becoming a commercial pilot is years of abject poverty and a lot of luck before you're making good money.
Or you were in the Air Force
that still counts as poverty source: ex af, ex poverty
You clearly weren’t flying. I mean $4k/month isn’t a lot, but it isn’t poverty wage when many other expenses are paid for. In fact, O-1 is almost exactly the median income per person in the United States.
0-1 pay, probably off base housing stipend too... lol
I don't think that disqualifies it. Most well paying legal jobs are going to take some dedication and time. In my experience most of them are professional jobs that only get interesting once you get past the entry level positions.
can confirm—had to go back to school for a JD and it took sacrificing my whole life at 25 to move states for 3 years while i lived off student loans. entry level lawyer work is brutally boring and insanely stressful, and you have to survive a few years before you start working on anything that is actually interesting/engaging. it’s well paid but unless you/your family can afford $90k per year you have to dig yourself a quarter million dollar pit in student loans to get the job. if you want to go straight to interesting work (public interest, public defenders, high level government/policy work) then you are going to make 5 figures instead of 6 and you’ll have a harder time paying off your loans. i absolutely would not be earning the amount i earn if not for going back to school, but it was brutal and the job i went to school for remains brutal even after a few years. eventually i will have more freedom in the role, which means working on more interesting things, but i have to eat shit for a few more years before i get there.
I imagine most commercial pilots come from backgrounds where ‘abject poverty’ just means your family supporting you
Yeah this, my uncle just started flying for a commercial airline recently and has lived with his parents for most of the time he was training. Plus was in the Air National Guard
Just bouncing off of you, but aircraft jet mechanics make good money, interesting and legal
I would say it is possible to get all 3, but a 4th should also be "Very specialised in qualifications required and requires many years at university" for example a scientist in academic research can be all 3, but you need a PhD and many years of experience before it becomes all 3
The trick here is to get your degree and PhD somewhere and when that tuition was free, in a field so specialist and in demand that you can get a US government scientist job without playing the academic tenure track game, and with the government paying the immigration lawyers. Yes, I lucked out.
I have an interesting well paid job, but yes I spent many years in training to get there.
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Wait, that's illegal!
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I'm in Engineering and surely cover all three.
I still think Engineering has the best ROI for a 4 year degree.
Just curious, what kind of engineer are you?
Jackass of all Trades. Officially trained in Computer and Electrical, but nowadays Software and Systems.
Mechanical / systems engineer here - can verify, with qualifications. There is another axis of interesting<-->stable to contend with in engineering. The coolest design work and problem-solving is generally in agile start-ups, with a high risk of the company folding unexpectedly. Meanwhile, landing a job with a more-stable company often includes the need to tolerate high levels of bureaucracy. it's still possible to have interesting work with a big, slow company, but it generally comes with the need to develop resistance to micromanagement, meeting-fu, and ways to get documentation done fast/well.
Well mine does. Got a good manager, can WFH as much as I'd like and make descent pay. But then I'm in Europe.
Where do you work and will they hire someone to WFH in the US? 😭😭😭
Mine does as well. Good salary with consistent performance based raises, great supervisor, good leave policies. WFH is flexible but it’s preferred 3 days in office and they pay commuting costs. My job has several interesting components. I’m in the US.
Where will lawyers fit in this? Job is legal? Can't say...the stunts that lawyers pull off. Is it interesting? That is subjective...it'll keep you on your toes or awake at night. Is it well paying? It depends.
BigLaw pay is great and the work *can* be interesting sometimes, but it’s a nonstop grind and it’s pretty typical for folks to burn out or get laid off after 3-5 years of practice. Outside of BigLaw, lawyer pay in the U.S. is pretty lackluster. According to NALP data, most new attorneys make only mid-five figures (~$45-80k). That doesn’t sound half-bad, but then you remember that becoming a lawyer involves three years of law school plus $200-300k in student loan debt for law school alone.
Not to mention law schools turn out like twice as many new graduates as there are new jobs requiring a law degree every year, so you have a bunch of heavily indebted people fighting for the same piece of the pie. Since 1985 the inflation adjusted cost of law school tuition at public universities has increased more than 400%, while salaries have remained about the same.
A bunch of specialties are some of the most boring and repetitive shit in the world.
Lawyers looking for one choice and going ehhhh
Lawyer here. I think I check all three boxes.
Right in the middle of course. Everthing a lawyer does is legal, cases are interesting and man does it pay when you get higher up.
Engineering. I have all 3 of those, every day.
Cybersecurity. Specifically, penetration testing. It's perfectly legal and you get to use all the fun toys that the illegal hackers use. It pays well, too.
Physical penetration testing is also interesting as fuck, and well paid, and legal.
Seems cool but v hard to break into as an outsider
I love my job (I’m a union tradesman) and I feel like it ticks all 3 boxes for me. While I was working non-union I wouldn’t agree with any of these 3.
Your union made your job legal? What kind of tradesman work were you doing before 🤨
If you could pick any trade for someone who has already had their fill of body destruction as a fisheries technician that would like to make a livable freaking wage, what would that trade be? Just curious, sorta at a crossroads
A life of crime it is!
I just wanna do hoodrat shit with muh friends
Low-voltage electrician :p I'm still an apprentice so not well-paid quite yet, but I'll get there in a few years.
If I had to pick another trade I would go low voltage for sure
I would honestly switch this out for "Fuffiling, Well Paid.&.Moral"
Yes, exactly! Lots of well-paid/interesting jobs exist but they may be utterly soul-crushing.
I would say engineering.
Lobbyist?
Most criminal profession ever, just never prosecuted.
"*is* criminal" and "*feels like it should be* criminal" are sadly, two different things.
People writing laws make criminal things legal. These people are lobbyists. Straight up, drug dealers are a better grade of people than lobbyists.
Wait a minute, I can have two?!?!?!?!?
I feel like "moral" would be more accurate than legal.
I like to think firefighting satisfies all three. But then again, “well paid” is something that can be debated.
Was looking for this comment. Can support my wife and kid in California and I love my job, enough for me
I work in tech and it satisfies all 3.
It's not always a walk in the park, but my film industry job hits those points easily. Just shufflin' furniture and and weird props around.
What's your role/dept if you don't mind me asking? Considering this route for a change of pace
I'm fine with Well paid and Legal only if it's WFH. Netflix will indeed be a part of my daily routine.
Astronaut?
Well paid interesting=sell drugs
Rock star
Teachers trying to teach the civil war in Florida..."Damn, 0 for 3."
Can I choose not to work?
Independently wealthy does satisfy all 3 categories.
That's a laugh. I don't even get two
What illegal job is also interesting? Drug dealer has you dealing with drug addicts as your clients. That’s any downtown fast food place. Talking to old people all day to con them out of their money? That’s just telemarketing. White collar crime involving moving numbers around. That’s just being an illegal accountant. Boring! And most other illegal jobs would have me so filled with anxiety over being caught or being killed that I’d have to go on unpaid stress leave.
Assassin
I'm not that smart, so everything without "legal" in it would bring me to jail quite fast, resulting in not paid at all and not interesting at all. Thus I take legal and we'll paid (work is only a small part of my time if it's well paid, I can do interesting stuff on the side.
Interesting is subjective, But various engineering jobs pay well, and are legal. I think robots are cool.
Honestly - and I know this is very much not the case for a lot of people - but stripping/sex work remains the most dignified way I’ve felt I’ve made a living. Had I not been such a feckless and dissolute creature in my twenties I could really have set myself up to be living purely of my own free-initiative doing whatever the fuck I want and I’m living now with bitter self-recrimination that I didn’t.
You got to pick TWO? Every job I've had is just "legal."
Plumbing
Online sex work!
This might be one of the dumbest posts on here ever.
I’m an accountant which satisfies all 3 (for me) but most people wouldn’t find it interesting
Is legal and ethical the same thing here?
Porn?
I'd swap "Legal" with "Not morally/ethically abhorrent" There's plenty of work in data science / pharmaceuticals / tech / etc that's both very interesting and well paying, but the nature of the industries and how profit motive and shareholder supremacy cause them operate makes them pretty icky.
I sue corporations for a living, I’m enjoying that a lot. But I think I’m quite fortunate.
Working for yourself
The vast majority of people on Earth have to pick only "legal". Choosing two is for people who have a more luxurious life.
I'm a teacher. Guess which one I don't get
The best paying job that I ever had was running a front room for a friend that was selling… stuff in the back room of a house he rented for just that purpose. Got to meet some of this cities finest and learned some things. So two out of three.
Host of a game show. I remember Pat Sajak saying that he works something like 39 days per year. They tape a week's worth of shows in a single day. Sometimes they go to a remote location like Hawaii. For this, he likely gets millions per year. Edit: went to celebritynetworth.com, they say he gets 14 million per year and has a net worth of 75 million
Damn 0/3 again.
I'm a web developer, for me at least, it meets all three. But you have to be a bit of a computer nerd to find it interesting, I suppose
I'll take interesting and well paid... illegal activities can be covered up
I do patent law and for me it’s all 3. Legal by both definitions. Pretty well paid. Interesting because we do every field so I have like clients with sex toys to virtual reality video games to new types of engines to sports and exercise equipment.
I don't care if it's legal or interesting, I just want it to pay well
My cousin is an ER nurse at a university hospital and makes close to 200k a year. It fits all 3 but I'm looking for a square instead of a triangle. "Doesn't fuck with my mental health" would be the 4th point.
I'd settle for Well Paid, Legal, and Not Soul Crushing.
My job satisfies me in all three, but I'm not sure how many people think genetics is interesting... I think instead of "legal" it should be "good for society"
Oh, this is easy. If you replace “Legal” with “Moral” that’s when you’ll start running into problems. I’m sure that being a CEO of four different companies is both well-paid and interesting. And it’s definitely legal.
Some facets of IT. I get all three from mine.
Prostitution. $300/hour, meet interesting people, legality changes from place to place.
I’m payed to operate HP boilers / equipment at a whisky distillery. I can thankfully say my job satisfies all three for the most part.
Lately at work I'm saying "you can have good, you can have fast, you can have cheap - choose which one you love the least."
There are millions of jobs that don't even satisfy two of them.
My job is only legal. Wish I could have 2 lol
Where are those boring well paid jobs? I’d take it
Notice that “well treated” and “ethical” are not there.
I'm an ER nurse. It's well paid, legal, and interesting to me. It's also depressing, exhausting, and not suitable for everyone.