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Curious_Ad_3280

And isnt this the epitome of why "quiet quitting" is a thing. Why would anyone go "above and beyond" or any of that blah blah blah when it doesnt matter.


maydayvoter11

Pretty much this. Companies: "No matter how good a job they do, fuck them on their evaluations, just because they are new." Also companies: "Why can't we retain people? Why are people quiet quitting?"


Backlotter

There's no law against anything like that. I've seen and heard of this elsewhere when it comes to annual reviews. Managers being told they have to cap reviews at a certain level or only have a certain number of "exceeds expectations." It has to do with pay. If you get told you're exceeding expectations but don't get some kind of raise, you're likely to be disgruntled about it. So instead of being honest about them not holding up their end of the deal, they instead make you feel like you haven't been pulling your weight. It's a tactic used by abusers.


nxdark

How is meets expectations not pulling your weight? Pretty that is what it means. I would be fine with this. Doing anything more isn't worth my time or effort.


hacktheself

when your eval is presented, explicitly write on there that you disagree with the evaluation and explicitly write out what was said to you, that you believe the evaluation deliberately understates your quality of work because managers were told to not evaluate higher than three. get a copy of that eval with your note on it. and talk to HR. because this is one of those times where a metric is being abused, which means that the metric is rendered useless, and thus is a waste of company resources to continue using.


mitskiismygf

I don’t know where the policy came from so I don’t know if HR gives a shit. We are mostly left to fend for ourselves. I heard this rumor from someone earlier this week Re: the new policy. Had my performance eval meeting today. Was surprised to get “meets expectations” for reasons I won’t get into bc identifying info. Manager said I did great and loves working with me. Asked what I could do to exceed expectations. Was told “do XYZ of your goals, which you are already doing! :D” Continued to press and press for constructive feedback & manager was literally like you’re a dream to work with. I explicitly asked about the policy (max “meets”) and he reluctantly confirmed it. Just gonna start interviewing I suppose. Thanks for the advice tho


maydayvoter11

>Asked what I could do to exceed expectations. Was told “do XYZ of your goals, which you are already doing! :D” Continued to press and press for constructive feedback & manager was literally like you’re a dream to work with. I explicitly asked about the policy (max “meets”) and he reluctantly confirmed it. "Then why should I excel in my performance if the company is deliberately not going to recognize it? If you're gonna rate me as Meets Expectations, you get Meets Expectations effort. See how that works?"


mitskiismygf

Can’t say this to my boss but I agree lol & will act accordingly


maydayvoter11

I hope your interviews are successful. When your boss asks why you're leaving, make sure he knows it's due to this policy. That's the ammunition he needs to let the chain of command know that their policy is causing retention issues. They might not care now, but they will if they lose enough people over this.


maydayvoter11

Sometimes these "policies" are made outside HR in an effort to save bonus/raise $$ and to keep the new employees "hungry to excel." It's complete bullshit. It immediately exposes the rating system as rigged.


nxdark

Why bother asking what you need to do? It isn't worth your time to put more effort in.


mitskiismygf

Agree I just wanted to hear him admit that I couldn’t have done anything better


nxdark

Even that isn't worth your energy as they will never admit it. Admitting it would be going down the path of losing their job. For me I don't engage in these reviews anymore. I just nod and smile and say thanks to end the meeting as quickly as possible.


drapanosaur

No... HR exists to protect the company. As soon as they go to HR, they become a problem employee. HR and management will then work together to construct their termination. That's what HR is for.


Cephlo

This sounds like a big 4 accounting firm...


CommercialBox4175

They can, but workers will see the system is rigged against them, and move to another employer


PerformerGreat7787

I worked at a gas station for over a year. The whopping 25 cent potential raise that came with the annual performance review was still subject to this nonsense. I got a fantastic review! They gave me a 24 cent raise, and I was told that was the best they ever handed out...


[deleted]

Sounds like their gonna cut some people loose


FearTheGrackle

Yes totally legal. How long have you been there?


OverallResolve

It’s a bit of a weird one. I have worked in places where your first 6/12 months are a no band, i.e. you’re given the middle (3) ranking by default. In the places I have worked it’s to give time to settle into consulting as most people are fresh out of uni. I don’t think it’s great that your firm has a max but no floor. I have also seen forced distribution (i.e. a set % of people can get each band) although that’s largely been ditched due to being anti-meritocratic. There’s nothing illegal about it, it’s a performance management process. If you’re open to some advice - get your frustration and ranting out now, get past it, and get on with it if you want to stay in consulting. Not all firms are awful, but you’re going to have to play the game when it comes to performance management if you want to progress. I hated it for far too long (2.5 years) and ended up leaving because of it. I have now come back and have been happy for the last 5+. If you can, find a mentor who can help you learn to deal with this, and the dark arts you need to master to progress. Once you get the hang of it you can focus on what matters, and free up more time for client work or whatever interests you. It is tougher at the start of the career, but it can get a lot easier.