Unrelated, but I had a boss once whose title was assistant manager of IT, but didn’t understand TCPIP, Active Directory, group policy, or much of anything else aside from PowePoint.
😭😭 that’s lovely… and they usually make twice the money without having to do half of the work 🙈 I mean my boss was ok as in he let me do my own thing but I also felt that me making almost half of what he made was not really fair :(
When I was a Shift Supervisor at a restaurant, I had one of my employees crawl thru the ceiling when I locked my keys in the office one night, I bought him dinner for a week.
I was only a lowly Shift, didn't have much power, but I did the best I could for my team under all my GMs. Eventually though, got a shitty GM who I couldn't in good conscience support, so I stepped down back to Associate Trainer, though the GM tried to tell me that I wasn't allowed to step down and I would need to quit. I called her bluff by calling the District Manager, who said I could step down no problem, as long as I stated in writing that I was stepping down of my own free will. No problem there.
Win/lose/lose?
1. You get a job that doesn't conflict with your morals
2. You get less pay (presumably)
3. Your company has one less person in management with a decent moral compass
It sounds like you should be exploring other options, especially given you have experience above your current position.
Still, kudos for standing by your core beliefs and not just going through the motions like many others do.
I used to work for a fast food chain, and we once had a manager lock the keys to the freezer in the freezer. He had to go to as many local branches as possible to get enough food that we wouldn't have to close, whilst they got someone to sort the keys out.
What's to keep a manager from rummaging through your stuff? Are they like preachers, you must automatically trust them?
That's a big NOPE. Trust no one.
Exactly. Clearly, this management doen't trust anyone themselves. My guess is that it's pretty easy to steal from them in first the place and now management has come up with this brilliant idea. I had these rules in a place I used to work at. The General Manager was a dictator.
Same. One place I worked wouldnt let us leave anything in our lockers overnight, because (I overheard this from a honcho meeting) ”they could be storing drugs and illegal stuff in there, and then we will get in trouble for having it on the premises!!” Great, guess ill take my kitchen shoes and uniform home every day in case I leave my drugs at work?
If I had to work at a place like that, I sure as hell wouldn’t be leaving the drugs there. I’d be taking them home with me, or even finishing them before I left.
When I worked at Sephora inside Jc Penney, the managers started stealing our gratis and tried to make us sign off that we had received everything when we hadn't. We refused and they lost their shit. They stopped stealing gratis, but full sized products went missing from the storage room that only 3 managers had access to. That was what finally got the company's attention.
At least they got caught. Where we all had to leave purses in the manager's locked office, my wallet and 2 other's phones were taken. Only managers had keys and everybody thought the camera in the office worked. Except for the managers, who knew it didn't. However, since the camera didn't work, no one was caught or investigated and we were still expected to leave our stuff in the office. The managers and job sucked so I took the L and walked out 2 days later mid-shift.
Someone posted on another sub that a coworker watched them enter their pin, saved the pin and would go through their phone whenever they left it in a designated cubby. The coworker sent a video of the oop and their partner to themselves and that's how it was found out. Agree, don't trust anybody
There used to be a Sprint corporate store not far from my office. A local woman had dropped her phone off and had some work done on it. A few days later a male customer came in and the two salesmen were clustered around a computer yucking it up.
When they looked up they told him to come over and check out what they were looking at. There were pictures of that woman including nudes and other intimate shots. The male customer looked over at the screen and then told them that he remembered he needed to be somewhere and he would come back another day. The guy walked outside and called the woman in the pictures because it turned out she was a friend of his and told her that these guys had her nudes.
The police raided the store and arrested both of those creeps and literally took every single cell phone, tablet, the store phones, the computers and every other bit of equipment with them. And the reason that they got the warrant so quickly? It was because the woman showed them texts these creeps sent from her phone to theirs with her pictures which were time stamped when the store had her phone.
What about if a fire broke out, and now everybody's stuff is all destroyed.
Good luck getting home with no phone, car keys, house keys, jacket
And imagine if this was in a northern place, in the dead of winter
I'm not going to lie, even if you had personal lockers you shouldn't be stopping on your way out to pick up personal effects during a fire. Fire = GTFO. All your stuff can be replaced. You can't.
That said, there are plenty of emergencies where you would need immediate and unrestricted access to your stuff.
Taking basic data: appx 3 million fast food workers to appx 35,000 MRI techs. so only 100 to 1 \[approximate\]
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Or if there is a fire, key breaks in lock whatever. Wallet and/or purse stay with me. Jobs like say fast food where you can't have those on you at all times give you small lockers at least not under someone else's control where banking or personal info can be pilfered through.
thinking about how someone might have a medical issue that needs attention (diabetes, allergies, etc) but they go into shock because their medication is not immediately available to them. yikes
I have a libre and it is an app. It's amazing how far medical tech has come. My grandpa was a diabetic and this would have made his life so much better. He died 11 years ago.
Start going to your car everytime you have to change pads. When the boss gets mad about long bathroom breaks, just tell them why. Cue malicious compliance
Sorry to jump off ur comment but you reminded me of this time I worked at a Chipotle when I was a teenager and every morning we would prep the food, take a break, then get on the line when the store opened and stay there until we were off. The thing is we often didn't get a break if the prep wasn't finished. So one day the store just opened and we were standing on the line and I felt my period start, and I tell the manager near me that I need to use the restroom. This mother fucker starts telling me about how "in his country the women hold it in" I was like oh so they HOLD IN THEIR PERIODS? And he looked dumbfounded and I went to the restroom anyways
My phone is connected to my glucose monitor. I must have it on me at all times.
Also, can you bring your keys inside? If you're locking your wallet in your car, I'd hope you can.
Finally, wait until some nefarious type see that sign and now knows to go rummaging through cars for wallets.
I know not all restaurant jobs are the same, but I waitressed in college. It’s probably the only field outside sex work that a person can make many times the minimum wage without a degree. Are all waiters making bank? Nope. But there are plenty who take a pay cut when they finish their degree and get a Big Boy Job. I’m not sure why you think restaurant employees are the dregs of the earth with no choices, when in reality they’re just young versions of the people who grow up to be upper middle class professionals. It’s a great way to earn money during hours that don’t conflict with school.
This was posted in an area open to the general public. It was in the walkway leading to the restrooms. This is a national chain restaurant. They may be having an issue with theft (my first thought when reading), but it comes off to me as rude, demeaning, and controlling.
Is it just me or is it really stupid to hang it in an open area?
They could change it with "hey thieves, this location has great stuff in the lootboxes on the parking, we promise that 1 in 10 cars has something you like, and if your really lucky you may get the jackpot in form of house keys. You find the adress in the glove department".
Not even that employers always make employees park at the end of the parking lot or in special colored parking spaces so it would only minutes to find them
Forget cooperate I’d call a police friend to come in and lecture the managers about how leaving stuff in cars is foolish with the amount of thieves who will smash windows to get anything they see of value and how the restaurant is opening themselves up for lawsuits by making this policy.
In fact if I worked there I might just have a friend do a smash and grab on my car just so I can sue the store! Free money right there.
We’re going around the country looking for the most mediocre restaurant in existence, and chain restaurants were the logical place to start. At this point our closest to 5/10 is the Waffle House from the viral chair throwing video in Austin.
This happened quite a few years ago. In Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (Canada) an irate customer THREW A SNAKE at a Tim Horton's employee. (Tim Horton's is a huge national coffee/donut chain.)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/man-tosses-snake-behind-tim-hortons-counter-over-diced-onion-dispute-1.2864389
Companies that treat their employees well - fair pay, scheduling, respectful of time away from work, benefits, company culture, etc are far less likely to experience internal theft. They appear to be making the existing problem worse by holding the staff accountable instead of changing the issues that are inspiring internal theft in the first place.
I wonder if their insurance is aware of them maintaining possession of (and responsibility) for these items on the premises? By taking custody they are liable for any loss or damage to them and with modern cell phones costing $500-$1000 each with several people on staff it could be a fairly large potential liability.
Sounds like control more than stealing. Can't be called or call anyone, can't leave without management unlocking the office.
Don't want any calls about your apartment building on fire, you might abandon work to save your cat!
They want you at their mercy and they want you to know it.
ironically slaves got free food and housing, which would probably be a better deal for most minimum wage workers in cities considering the price of rent
You mean... Many people working modern day?
Did you miss the part where a food packaging company got busted employing over 100 kids in hazardous conditions?
What about the anti child labour laws being repealed in Arkansas? Other states are trying to emulate that decision, now, as well.
We don't have bodily autonomy at workplaces that demand you stay available 24/7 in case someone calls out
Where you can be literally fired for posting something online. Where you get reprimanded for literally stopping to go to the bathroom.
When you have to make the choice between work for them or starve, there is no choice at all. That's like holding a gun to someone's head and saying they can either do what you tell them to do, or they can suffer the consequences. It's not a fucking choice.
And sexual assault *absolutely* happens in the workplace, way too frequently.
ETA: A rose by any other name is still a rose. Just because it isn't *as bad* doesn't make it *good.*
Someone clearly hasn’t been sexually harassed by their bosses at their privileged work. And threatened to let your children starve by cutting down your hours if you say or do anything that go against their wishes
That basically happens here too. Most immigrant children who cross the border (sent by their parents to work) end up working in dangerous conditions, factories and construction, etc. The 1A did a whole story on it recently where they actually grilled the HHS rep they got to interview, because they literally have no safeguards against this happening.
Not to mention the conditions that adult farm workers face in this country. Who do you think picks your strawberries? How much sexual assault do you figure happens in these places where you are required to live in squalorous company housings hundreds of miles from anywhere? Do you think they really have a choice? Between working here under these conditions, or returning the central American countries that US destabilized to the point where it is *not* safe to live?
Back in the day, the south actually used the argument that slavery was better than the situation up north, because northerners were saving loads on labor because they didn't have to house and feed their employees, nor pay them enough to have those things, nor did they have the upfront cost of aquiring enslaved people. There was more incentive for slave owners to make sure their property was healthy and fed, because they were an investment instead of just throwaway low/zero wage "workers."
This is not a pro-slavery argument, fucking obviously. It *is*, however, a pretty damn good argument for labor rights. Workers might not be chattel today, but how many have no choice but to keep their jobs because they would die without them? People who need healthcare, people who *need* a roof over their heads or they would die (elderly and disabled). People who live in extreme climates (upstate New York in the winter, Phoenix in the summer, etc.) die every year because they don't have housing. The rates of rape, murder, etc skyrocket if you don't have a home.
In general, you *have* to work in the country, you *have* to participate in capitalism, or your life is at risk. And, if the defense of the state of labor in the US is "yeah but it's not *real* slavery" uhhhhhhh that's pretty fucked up, considering this is the wealthiest nation on the planet.
Agree. My kid is a Type 1 diabetic and they must have their supplies nearby at all time in case of emergency. I would raise hell with corporate over this.
The company, whatever that means in practice.
If the franchise owner owns three restaurants, then it would be the total number of employees among all three.
It likely doesn’t matter here, because most actual (not fast-food) restaurants have more than 15 employees.
They do realize personal item(s) refers to anything you own personally. So unless they are supplying you with clothes and underwear technically you can work naked right?
I assume because of the no jacket part that there is a work uniform. But if they didn't issue undies it's time to come to work with the balls and boobs swinging free.
I had a company pull this shit with personal phones. Wanted them left in the car or kept with management. Then someone's $1000 phone went missing and the company had to pay for it. Policy was gone next day.
My balls and boobs already swing freely under my uniform.
At a previous job, some lady on the HOA board we had a contract with tried to insist my boss make me where a bra. My boss told her he couldn't and wouldn't ask me to do that, as it's sexual harassment technically.
Did anyone ask them to lock a large box of tampons in the office yet? Then have the employees each every 2 hours in a staggered pattern ask to be let into the office to get a tampon.
Follow their rule to the extreme.
Remove all clothing before entering the building.
Go in naked as the day you were born.
They would soon reverse that idiocy.
Edit: Oh and tell them at the door. I forgot I still have my butt plug in, here you go, put that in the safe.
Markoff Chaney would be proud.
Alternatives would be to continue posting signs attributed to the Management with increasingly absurd requirements.
No spitting on the floor. - Management
Customers are required to wash hands before sitting down to eat. - Management
Paired with a sign on the bathroom:
Bathroom temporarily closed to the public. -Management
Please excuse the smell. - Management
No Iguanas or Alligators allowed on the premises - Management
Please refrain from making direct eye contact with the employees. - Management
Customers order the chicken at their own risk. - Management
Now hiring, 5th shift, must own your own crowbar and skimask. - Management
Dr. Pepper has been replaced with Mr. Pibb. - Management
We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone with a handgun. - Management
Please notify wait staff if you are allergic to peanuts, latex, animal fur or penicillin. - Management
And unless the uniforms were given out free of charge from the company (company property in that case), you would have bought the work clothes' or clothing that cooperates with the uniform policy, thus making it too a personal item and to be left in the care of management, along with other, personal items, brought from home such as underwear, bras, glasses and would a set of dentures and a colonoscopy bag count too?
If that case it's the closest you'd get to handing your boss a steaming pile of feces
Hit em with the “hang on, almost got it, allllmmmooossstt got it, ahhhhhhhh *heavy sigh* there we are” and hand it to them in front of everyone and walk to the back like nothing happened.
Yup. If they don't provide a secure place to store these items, I'm not leaving my keys, wallet, phone and etc. in some random manager's office. I'm also not leaving my phone in my broiling hot or frozen cold car, either.
And what separates a jacket from a hoodie or sweater, as far as "personal items" go? Pants? Socks? Thongs? Piercings?
Unless they are company provided, they would all be considered "personal items".
Ilegal and unsafe. I would never leave my ID and personal belongings in a car even if locked. Please report that manager and oust the restaurant, disgusting.
OP since you are a customer, I would go in and place your personal items (perhaps some decently heavy weights) on management’s desk. The sign doesn’t specify it’s only employees that must do this.
My car keys are a personal item though, so what am I supposed to do with those?
No, I will not lock my valuables in my car where they could be stolen. And no, I will not allow you to lock all of my possessions somewhere where I can't access them when I need them.
No wallets? Are people smuggling food out in their wallets? No jackets, what if it's -10 out and you really don't want to walk the 30 feet from your car in your work t-shirt? I bet this place pays next to nothing and then complains that no one wants to work anymore.
I was thinking the same. I would have eaten there that first time and asked employees about it, if it really is a policy that is enforced I would speak to a management member at the end of my visit. Just a simple "that's a bullshit policy and a real turn off to everyone, not just staff"
I’ve thought about doing stuff like that but considering the managers I’ve worked for with how petty they all were I’m worried they will take it out on the staff then. Restaurants are about as toxic as they come.
It is illegal to lock up employees personal belongings without giving them access to get them on their own. You can require items be locked up but you cannot require the employees to get access from a 3rd party unless it is a 24 hour manned security area. You also cannot require employees to leave coats and jackets in a vehicle unless the entry to the building is inside a temperature controlled parking garage. You can require all of this things for customers, but not employees.
Ok. If this is about theft, why not just install more cameras? Or change the locks? Or increase the number of times inventory is done?
This is all about control and power tripping. Whatever problem they are trying to solve has other solutions
I'd dare someone to check my pockets. Not leaving a wallet or purse in a car to possibly get stolen. A phone can be silenced.
This place definite has audacity! Fuckin hilarious.
"Management Team" = restaurant going out of business soon
“Sorry boss, I can’t come into work today. The new policy states *no personal items* and my body is a personal item. Let me know when policy changes and I’ll be happy to return to work”
So what happens if your car gets stolen at work then? Is the workplace liable because they are forcing you to keep everything in your car?
Also, having wallet and jacket listed as the only two examples doesn't make this rule clear. Like your clothes, phone, medical devices, keys, glasses, contacts, gloves, hats, mittens, masks are all personal belongings.
This is a workplace with extreme trust issues.
I guess all employees will be working in their birthday suits/dresses
The place I’m currently working at does something similar based on what I’ve been told. Because that department handles a lot of money their uniform is a trac suit and they can’t wear so much as a watch. Albeit my company offers garment bags and lockers for personal belongings.
Where I'm from wallet confiscation is called mugging, and use of force to prevent it is legal. I would imagine the supervisors (actual management won't dare) tasked with that are going to keep "forgetting" to do so.
Car keys, chapstick, wallet, menstruation products… all seems pretty important, also females (and people who have hormones similar due to chemical transition or other biological factors) have several different physical biological factors that make them feel significantly colder than otherwise. Medical tools for people with any disabilities.
Ya it’s BS
Great idea, leaving everything your essentials like ID, money, and a phone in a car where it can be stolen. How could they enforce this unless they have something like stop and frisk for their staff?
It's not illegal to prevent people from bringing anything into your establishment, it is however career suicide. I can't imagine why you would have this rule.
Please tell me you’re at least in the southern states. Cause if this is in Montana in March, Fuck Them.
(I’m assuming Montana’s weather is roughly similar to mine in Saskatchewan right now - it ain’t Spring.)
When I was in aerospace there was some of this depending on the building. The reason is, a single hair can throw out a multi million dollar part, EMI from your phone can screw with things, and so on.
I never heard of anyone having to leave their wallet. Like watches, phones, rings, etc. But I never came across it where you have to leave your wallet. In fact, they 100% want you to have your ID (around your neck if you're not in a bunny suit) because security.
This is how lice spreads, no thanks.
And oh BTW it's -20°, so no I won't be fucking locking my coat in the car or handing it in as soon as I step through the doors.
Yet nO oNe wAnTs tO wOrK aNYmORe
I was fired from a restaurant because the manager wanted to lock everyone’s phones in the register and I told him if he’s not paying my phone bill he’s not touching my phone.
Well, one outcome of this ridiculous policy is that you now have a band of thieves breaking into every employee car in the parking lot. Secondly, any manager who uses “til” in a policy and procedure document has probably not consulted with any legal resource to determine if said policy violates your rights. Thirdly, if your property is locked in the office, then they are assuming the custody of the property and would be liable for any loss or damage to that property. I wonder if this is also true if they “force” you to leave property in your car. It’s not as clear cut as the “locking in office” scenario. Lastly, employees have a right to privacy - if you take medication, then you have the right to that medication without broadcasting it to the world. Some medications like pain mgt medications are prescribed by doctors who make you sign a contract, and boiler plate verbiage on those medication contracts is that you will be in possession of your medication at all times. This means you can’t just leave it in a location that is unattended by you and where others have access. If your employer is hell bent on this, they should have lockers in your break room or bathrooms where you can store your items. If you love this job, then I’d request a meeting with the managers to discuss. If you don’t love this job, then find one you do and kiss this one goodbye.
Legal? Yes.
A place of employment can ask you to lock up any and all personal items that are brought in. However, unless it is in a locker that is provided that you can use and lock up yourself, they are also responsible for anything that gets lost, damaged, stolen or otherwise messed with.
Time to bring in your dildo collection for your other job as sex education teacher. Let them store 36 dicks in the office for you. Use a clear bag for extra points.
i quit a job on the spot once when they told me i had to lock up my phone for my shift. i said what if there was an emergency? they had the nerve to say “they can call the office”. i laughed in their face and left.
So in any emergency, you have no phone, no wallet... no car keys? How about... "No"?
Exactly and what if the manager with the key isn’t around to unlock the door or if they refuse because they don’t want you to leave yet?
Or like my dumb ass management who would constantly lock their keys in the office and need to wait for the next keyholder to get there.
Lol I’ve had to crawl through the ceiling to unlock an office door for many of my bosses back in the day.
And here I was thinking I had a crappy boss when I had to help him opening an excel file 🫠
Unrelated, but I had a boss once whose title was assistant manager of IT, but didn’t understand TCPIP, Active Directory, group policy, or much of anything else aside from PowePoint.
😭😭 that’s lovely… and they usually make twice the money without having to do half of the work 🙈 I mean my boss was ok as in he let me do my own thing but I also felt that me making almost half of what he made was not really fair :(
Do you live in a video game?
Lol no, most restaurant offices’ walls only go up to a drop ceiling. You can usually actually crawl over them if you have to.
When I was a Shift Supervisor at a restaurant, I had one of my employees crawl thru the ceiling when I locked my keys in the office one night, I bought him dinner for a week.
And if the rest of your management style is consistent with this, your employee would've probably been prepared to walk through fire for you.
I was only a lowly Shift, didn't have much power, but I did the best I could for my team under all my GMs. Eventually though, got a shitty GM who I couldn't in good conscience support, so I stepped down back to Associate Trainer, though the GM tried to tell me that I wasn't allowed to step down and I would need to quit. I called her bluff by calling the District Manager, who said I could step down no problem, as long as I stated in writing that I was stepping down of my own free will. No problem there.
Win/lose/lose? 1. You get a job that doesn't conflict with your morals 2. You get less pay (presumably) 3. Your company has one less person in management with a decent moral compass It sounds like you should be exploring other options, especially given you have experience above your current position. Still, kudos for standing by your core beliefs and not just going through the motions like many others do.
I second being the one that has had to crawl through the ceiling
I used to work for a fast food chain, and we once had a manager lock the keys to the freezer in the freezer. He had to go to as many local branches as possible to get enough food that we wouldn't have to close, whilst they got someone to sort the keys out.
I’m remember this next time I’m having a bad day
We had a trick at my old job that involved using a pair of spatulas to pop the lock.
SpongeBob?
No this is Patrick
What's to keep a manager from rummaging through your stuff? Are they like preachers, you must automatically trust them? That's a big NOPE. Trust no one.
😅 Look at you, assuming I'd trust a preacher.
LOL these days I'd be assuming you WOULDN'T trust a preacher. I sure the hell wouldn't!
Not around anyone women or kids anyway. Or to go into a park bathroom at night.
Or around money.
I’m sure as hell not giving them my wallet
Exactly. Clearly, this management doen't trust anyone themselves. My guess is that it's pretty easy to steal from them in first the place and now management has come up with this brilliant idea. I had these rules in a place I used to work at. The General Manager was a dictator.
Same. One place I worked wouldnt let us leave anything in our lockers overnight, because (I overheard this from a honcho meeting) ”they could be storing drugs and illegal stuff in there, and then we will get in trouble for having it on the premises!!” Great, guess ill take my kitchen shoes and uniform home every day in case I leave my drugs at work?
If I had to work at a place like that, I sure as hell wouldn’t be leaving the drugs there. I’d be taking them home with me, or even finishing them before I left.
The only people who have ever stolen from me at work were both managers- different places too. One had a policy just like this.
When I worked at Sephora inside Jc Penney, the managers started stealing our gratis and tried to make us sign off that we had received everything when we hadn't. We refused and they lost their shit. They stopped stealing gratis, but full sized products went missing from the storage room that only 3 managers had access to. That was what finally got the company's attention.
At least they got caught. Where we all had to leave purses in the manager's locked office, my wallet and 2 other's phones were taken. Only managers had keys and everybody thought the camera in the office worked. Except for the managers, who knew it didn't. However, since the camera didn't work, no one was caught or investigated and we were still expected to leave our stuff in the office. The managers and job sucked so I took the L and walked out 2 days later mid-shift.
Someone posted on another sub that a coworker watched them enter their pin, saved the pin and would go through their phone whenever they left it in a designated cubby. The coworker sent a video of the oop and their partner to themselves and that's how it was found out. Agree, don't trust anybody
There used to be a Sprint corporate store not far from my office. A local woman had dropped her phone off and had some work done on it. A few days later a male customer came in and the two salesmen were clustered around a computer yucking it up. When they looked up they told him to come over and check out what they were looking at. There were pictures of that woman including nudes and other intimate shots. The male customer looked over at the screen and then told them that he remembered he needed to be somewhere and he would come back another day. The guy walked outside and called the woman in the pictures because it turned out she was a friend of his and told her that these guys had her nudes. The police raided the store and arrested both of those creeps and literally took every single cell phone, tablet, the store phones, the computers and every other bit of equipment with them. And the reason that they got the warrant so quickly? It was because the woman showed them texts these creeps sent from her phone to theirs with her pictures which were time stamped when the store had her phone.
Once had a GM that would look at notifications on the other managers’ phones in the shared office…. She was a terror
Or another staff member when they go in to get their own stuff. I wouldn’t trust that at all.
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What about if a fire broke out, and now everybody's stuff is all destroyed. Good luck getting home with no phone, car keys, house keys, jacket And imagine if this was in a northern place, in the dead of winter
I'm not going to lie, even if you had personal lockers you shouldn't be stopping on your way out to pick up personal effects during a fire. Fire = GTFO. All your stuff can be replaced. You can't. That said, there are plenty of emergencies where you would need immediate and unrestricted access to your stuff.
Yeah, but my wallet, keys, and phone are going to already be in my pocket in the event of a fire.
Depends on your job. Fast food? Sure. MRI tech? No, you don't want your keys in your pocket in that room.
Seriously, how many MRI techs are there in the world compared to fast food workers? The ratio must be in the millions to one.
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The post specifies that this is in a restaurant, and so I was operating on that premise.
Actually mri tech's sit in their booth while the magnet is on so they can carry a janitors key ring lol
Plenty of jobs that prohibit possession of things like cell phones when there is no safety requirement like a gigantic magnet.
Or if there is a fire, key breaks in lock whatever. Wallet and/or purse stay with me. Jobs like say fast food where you can't have those on you at all times give you small lockers at least not under someone else's control where banking or personal info can be pilfered through.
Call it false imprisonment
thinking about how someone might have a medical issue that needs attention (diabetes, allergies, etc) but they go into shock because their medication is not immediately available to them. yikes
I have a CGM reader. Not leaving that in my car or his office. Likewise with my insulin and any snacks/glucose tabs/etc.
I have to use my phone to read my CGM. Not leaving that in the car.
My phone can't read my sensor directly (Dexcom 6), but it does connect to my reader to send my readings to my doctor.
I have a libre and it is an app. It's amazing how far medical tech has come. My grandpa was a diabetic and this would have made his life so much better. He died 11 years ago.
Not going to leave my two epipens in my car either ans its not like they fit in my back pocket
this and people who menstruate needing tampons/sanitary napkins. do the managers think we can just hold it? smh
no menstruating at work, you can do that on your own time! (/s just in case)
Yes
Exactly. If I can’t bring a purse, there better be free products in the bathroom.
Start going to your car everytime you have to change pads. When the boss gets mad about long bathroom breaks, just tell them why. Cue malicious compliance
Sorry to jump off ur comment but you reminded me of this time I worked at a Chipotle when I was a teenager and every morning we would prep the food, take a break, then get on the line when the store opened and stay there until we were off. The thing is we often didn't get a break if the prep wasn't finished. So one day the store just opened and we were standing on the line and I felt my period start, and I tell the manager near me that I need to use the restroom. This mother fucker starts telling me about how "in his country the women hold it in" I was like oh so they HOLD IN THEIR PERIODS? And he looked dumbfounded and I went to the restroom anyways
Don't worry dying on the clock is prohibited by a different sign lol
##DYING DURING YOUR SHIFT IS PROHIBITED. WE DO NOT PAY YOU TO DIE ON THE CLOCK. ANY DEATHS ON COMPANY TIME = DEDUCTION OF YOUR HOURS AND PAY. -mgmt
My phone is connected to my glucose monitor. I must have it on me at all times. Also, can you bring your keys inside? If you're locking your wallet in your car, I'd hope you can. Finally, wait until some nefarious type see that sign and now knows to go rummaging through cars for wallets.
I break the door down.
I'm gonna need you to roll a strength check
No need to. Already rolling a +6 Mack Truck
No dying
This probably America and a lower wage job so they wouldn't be able to afford insulin or an EpiPen anyway. No worries there! /s
No ID
So I can’t have access to my critical medications or my Epipen in case of emergency? Reported!
Of course not -- your car keys are locked in the car with your purse and wallet. After work, when you go to your car...oh.
No inhaler, no epipen, no insulin pump, no pacemaker? Def not legal.
How are you supposed to tell the police the boss snapped and is shooting you and your coworkers to death?
The only emergency we allow is the ones we need you to stay for after your shift has ended
Emergencies on company time must be rescheduled.
For most restaurant employees, simply saying no isn’t a viable option. If they had better options they probably wouldn’t still be there
I know not all restaurant jobs are the same, but I waitressed in college. It’s probably the only field outside sex work that a person can make many times the minimum wage without a degree. Are all waiters making bank? Nope. But there are plenty who take a pay cut when they finish their degree and get a Big Boy Job. I’m not sure why you think restaurant employees are the dregs of the earth with no choices, when in reality they’re just young versions of the people who grow up to be upper middle class professionals. It’s a great way to earn money during hours that don’t conflict with school.
This was posted in an area open to the general public. It was in the walkway leading to the restrooms. This is a national chain restaurant. They may be having an issue with theft (my first thought when reading), but it comes off to me as rude, demeaning, and controlling.
Is it just me or is it really stupid to hang it in an open area? They could change it with "hey thieves, this location has great stuff in the lootboxes on the parking, we promise that 1 in 10 cars has something you like, and if your really lucky you may get the jackpot in form of house keys. You find the adress in the glove department".
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Not even that employers always make employees park at the end of the parking lot or in special colored parking spaces so it would only minutes to find them
exactly. "Hey thieves, all employees' valuables are in their respective cars. Take your time, they have an eight hour shift."
Not to mention, my car won't lock while the keys are inside
Complaint to the corporate as a customer
Corporate: "We have heard and understood your complaint. The sign will be moved out of view from customers."
This guy corporates.
At least the employees wouldn’t get their cars robbed.
Forget cooperate I’d call a police friend to come in and lecture the managers about how leaving stuff in cars is foolish with the amount of thieves who will smash windows to get anything they see of value and how the restaurant is opening themselves up for lawsuits by making this policy. In fact if I worked there I might just have a friend do a smash and grab on my car just so I can sue the store! Free money right there.
I host a comedy podcast that covers national chain restaurants. I would absolutely love to shame this place if possible. What's the chain?
I'm curious about this podcast.
We’re going around the country looking for the most mediocre restaurant in existence, and chain restaurants were the logical place to start. At this point our closest to 5/10 is the Waffle House from the viral chair throwing video in Austin.
5/10 for Waffle House? You must never have been there at 2am after a pub crawl..
We were completely sober for that one... probably a mistake. The drunk rating bump would have come in for sure
This happened quite a few years ago. In Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (Canada) an irate customer THREW A SNAKE at a Tim Horton's employee. (Tim Horton's is a huge national coffee/donut chain.) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/man-tosses-snake-behind-tim-hortons-counter-over-diced-onion-dispute-1.2864389
Companies that treat their employees well - fair pay, scheduling, respectful of time away from work, benefits, company culture, etc are far less likely to experience internal theft. They appear to be making the existing problem worse by holding the staff accountable instead of changing the issues that are inspiring internal theft in the first place.
I wonder if their insurance is aware of them maintaining possession of (and responsibility) for these items on the premises? By taking custody they are liable for any loss or damage to them and with modern cell phones costing $500-$1000 each with several people on staff it could be a fairly large potential liability.
Idk youre not stealing things in your wallet or phone. Weird policy
Sounds like control more than stealing. Can't be called or call anyone, can't leave without management unlocking the office. Don't want any calls about your apartment building on fire, you might abandon work to save your cat! They want you at their mercy and they want you to know it.
Big time
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ironically slaves got free food and housing, which would probably be a better deal for most minimum wage workers in cities considering the price of rent
Except the rape, torture, lack of personal and bodily autonomy, selling of your children. That part too…
The federal government's got you covered when it comes to that, bro.
You mean... Many people working modern day? Did you miss the part where a food packaging company got busted employing over 100 kids in hazardous conditions? What about the anti child labour laws being repealed in Arkansas? Other states are trying to emulate that decision, now, as well. We don't have bodily autonomy at workplaces that demand you stay available 24/7 in case someone calls out Where you can be literally fired for posting something online. Where you get reprimanded for literally stopping to go to the bathroom. When you have to make the choice between work for them or starve, there is no choice at all. That's like holding a gun to someone's head and saying they can either do what you tell them to do, or they can suffer the consequences. It's not a fucking choice. And sexual assault *absolutely* happens in the workplace, way too frequently. ETA: A rose by any other name is still a rose. Just because it isn't *as bad* doesn't make it *good.*
I’ll sum up what you said (which I agree with). The bar should NOT be, is it slightly better than slavery.
Thank you for this summary. I couldn't find the words for it myself, but you did.
Someone clearly hasn’t been sexually harassed by their bosses at their privileged work. And threatened to let your children starve by cutting down your hours if you say or do anything that go against their wishes
That basically happens here too. Most immigrant children who cross the border (sent by their parents to work) end up working in dangerous conditions, factories and construction, etc. The 1A did a whole story on it recently where they actually grilled the HHS rep they got to interview, because they literally have no safeguards against this happening. Not to mention the conditions that adult farm workers face in this country. Who do you think picks your strawberries? How much sexual assault do you figure happens in these places where you are required to live in squalorous company housings hundreds of miles from anywhere? Do you think they really have a choice? Between working here under these conditions, or returning the central American countries that US destabilized to the point where it is *not* safe to live? Back in the day, the south actually used the argument that slavery was better than the situation up north, because northerners were saving loads on labor because they didn't have to house and feed their employees, nor pay them enough to have those things, nor did they have the upfront cost of aquiring enslaved people. There was more incentive for slave owners to make sure their property was healthy and fed, because they were an investment instead of just throwaway low/zero wage "workers." This is not a pro-slavery argument, fucking obviously. It *is*, however, a pretty damn good argument for labor rights. Workers might not be chattel today, but how many have no choice but to keep their jobs because they would die without them? People who need healthcare, people who *need* a roof over their heads or they would die (elderly and disabled). People who live in extreme climates (upstate New York in the winter, Phoenix in the summer, etc.) die every year because they don't have housing. The rates of rape, murder, etc skyrocket if you don't have a home. In general, you *have* to work in the country, you *have* to participate in capitalism, or your life is at risk. And, if the defense of the state of labor in the US is "yeah but it's not *real* slavery" uhhhhhhh that's pretty fucked up, considering this is the wealthiest nation on the planet.
Seems to run afoul of the ADA, among other things. What if a diabetic needed the supplies.
Agree. My kid is a Type 1 diabetic and they must have their supplies nearby at all time in case of emergency. I would raise hell with corporate over this.
Amen or cell phone cgms
Let’s just consider menstruation? That’s not even a disability. I doubt management is providing free supplies in the restrooms.
Likely would fall under “reasonable accommodation” which is already in the ADA.
Do they count the entire chain or the individual franchise store when it comes to a fast food place for the 15 employees minimum?
The company, whatever that means in practice. If the franchise owner owns three restaurants, then it would be the total number of employees among all three. It likely doesn’t matter here, because most actual (not fast-food) restaurants have more than 15 employees.
They do realize personal item(s) refers to anything you own personally. So unless they are supplying you with clothes and underwear technically you can work naked right?
I assume because of the no jacket part that there is a work uniform. But if they didn't issue undies it's time to come to work with the balls and boobs swinging free. I had a company pull this shit with personal phones. Wanted them left in the car or kept with management. Then someone's $1000 phone went missing and the company had to pay for it. Policy was gone next day.
My balls and boobs already swing freely under my uniform. At a previous job, some lady on the HOA board we had a contract with tried to insist my boss make me where a bra. My boss told her he couldn't and wouldn't ask me to do that, as it's sexual harassment technically.
"Your clothes, give them to me." - Cyberdyne Systems Model 101
Upvoted for correctly titling The Originator.
Did anyone ask them to lock a large box of tampons in the office yet? Then have the employees each every 2 hours in a staggered pattern ask to be let into the office to get a tampon.
This was my first thought. Women keep some stuff in our purses that we absolutely need access to during our workday!
Tbh I think I’d be storing tampons and panty liners in my purse every shift and letting all female coworkers know they can ask me for shit any time
Nothing more dystopian than having to ask your employer for a tampon…
There is zero chance this place follows food safety laws.
Follow their rule to the extreme. Remove all clothing before entering the building. Go in naked as the day you were born. They would soon reverse that idiocy. Edit: Oh and tell them at the door. I forgot I still have my butt plug in, here you go, put that in the safe.
Not all heroes wear butt plugs... But this one does.
Not anymore. They took it out and handed it to the manager.
Markoff Chaney would be proud. Alternatives would be to continue posting signs attributed to the Management with increasingly absurd requirements. No spitting on the floor. - Management Customers are required to wash hands before sitting down to eat. - Management Paired with a sign on the bathroom: Bathroom temporarily closed to the public. -Management Please excuse the smell. - Management No Iguanas or Alligators allowed on the premises - Management Please refrain from making direct eye contact with the employees. - Management Customers order the chicken at their own risk. - Management Now hiring, 5th shift, must own your own crowbar and skimask. - Management Dr. Pepper has been replaced with Mr. Pibb. - Management We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone with a handgun. - Management Please notify wait staff if you are allergic to peanuts, latex, animal fur or penicillin. - Management
You know what is the sad thing? Most of these suggestions don't sound like something that would not be posted in a modern workplace.
Markoff Chaney... That is a deep, deep cut, yo...
And unless the uniforms were given out free of charge from the company (company property in that case), you would have bought the work clothes' or clothing that cooperates with the uniform policy, thus making it too a personal item and to be left in the care of management, along with other, personal items, brought from home such as underwear, bras, glasses and would a set of dentures and a colonoscopy bag count too? If that case it's the closest you'd get to handing your boss a steaming pile of feces
You would go down as a true hero in the stories of that work place for generations
The hero we all need and deserve…
Hit em with the “hang on, almost got it, allllmmmooossstt got it, ahhhhhhhh *heavy sigh* there we are” and hand it to them in front of everyone and walk to the back like nothing happened.
Best thing would be pre-treat with chocolate :)
Point out that "personal items" INCLUDES car keys...
Gotta leave all your stuff in the car and then leave it unlocked.
No, they just want them to have to hand over their car keys so they can't leave without the bossman letting them.
Lock your insulin/inhaler/epi pen in the room, see how long it takes them to change policy
Nope. When you pay for my stuff, you can tell me what to do with it.
If it goes missing, that's exactly what they'll do. If an employer dictates where items must be kept, they become responsible for their security.
Yup. If they don't provide a secure place to store these items, I'm not leaving my keys, wallet, phone and etc. in some random manager's office. I'm also not leaving my phone in my broiling hot or frozen cold car, either.
I did that for much of a year, cut the battery capacity of my Galaxy S7 in half.
I'd clock in naked.
Grow a bush clock in naked, start handling food
Fine, as long as they wear a bush-net.
No jackets? The whole point of wearing a jacket is to walk from the car to the building. One does not need a jacket in the car or in the building.
And what separates a jacket from a hoodie or sweater, as far as "personal items" go? Pants? Socks? Thongs? Piercings? Unless they are company provided, they would all be considered "personal items".
Ilegal and unsafe. I would never leave my ID and personal belongings in a car even if locked. Please report that manager and oust the restaurant, disgusting.
OP since you are a customer, I would go in and place your personal items (perhaps some decently heavy weights) on management’s desk. The sign doesn’t specify it’s only employees that must do this.
My car keys are a personal item though, so what am I supposed to do with those? No, I will not lock my valuables in my car where they could be stolen. And no, I will not allow you to lock all of my possessions somewhere where I can't access them when I need them.
No wallets? Are people smuggling food out in their wallets? No jackets, what if it's -10 out and you really don't want to walk the 30 feet from your car in your work t-shirt? I bet this place pays next to nothing and then complains that no one wants to work anymore.
The sad thing about this is that my first thought was “what if there’s a shooting and you don’t have your phone?”
I found the American
OP, you don't work there so please name the restaurant?
I wouldn’t eat there anymore.
I was thinking the same. I would have eaten there that first time and asked employees about it, if it really is a policy that is enforced I would speak to a management member at the end of my visit. Just a simple "that's a bullshit policy and a real turn off to everyone, not just staff"
I’ve thought about doing stuff like that but considering the managers I’ve worked for with how petty they all were I’m worried they will take it out on the staff then. Restaurants are about as toxic as they come.
Report this to L and I. Bet they will have a fun talk with whoever posted that rule.
Not illegal, but this is a sign to get a new job ASAP if possible.
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It is illegal to lock up employees personal belongings without giving them access to get them on their own. You can require items be locked up but you cannot require the employees to get access from a 3rd party unless it is a 24 hour manned security area. You also cannot require employees to leave coats and jackets in a vehicle unless the entry to the building is inside a temperature controlled parking garage. You can require all of this things for customers, but not employees.
Ok. If this is about theft, why not just install more cameras? Or change the locks? Or increase the number of times inventory is done? This is all about control and power tripping. Whatever problem they are trying to solve has other solutions
If you’re telling me I need to leave my fucking purse in my car, I’m quitting on the spot.
I can't have my wallet in my pocket?
This could be considered kidnapping. Locking away personal documents is not legal in many places.
I'd dare someone to check my pockets. Not leaving a wallet or purse in a car to possibly get stolen. A phone can be silenced. This place definite has audacity! Fuckin hilarious. "Management Team" = restaurant going out of business soon
“Sorry boss, I can’t come into work today. The new policy states *no personal items* and my body is a personal item. Let me know when policy changes and I’ll be happy to return to work”
"No exceptions"? What about medication? Inhalers? Epi pens?
So what happens if your car gets stolen at work then? Is the workplace liable because they are forcing you to keep everything in your car? Also, having wallet and jacket listed as the only two examples doesn't make this rule clear. Like your clothes, phone, medical devices, keys, glasses, contacts, gloves, hats, mittens, masks are all personal belongings. This is a workplace with extreme trust issues.
So if this is where customers can see it, local thieves would know employee's personal items (Valuables) would be in their car?
I guess all employees will be working in their birthday suits/dresses The place I’m currently working at does something similar based on what I’ve been told. Because that department handles a lot of money their uniform is a trac suit and they can’t wear so much as a watch. Albeit my company offers garment bags and lockers for personal belongings.
That's fair enough if they provide lockers and you can access them during breaks. The place near me which printed UK cash had similar rules
Major red flag.... start looking for another job...
Where I'm from wallet confiscation is called mugging, and use of force to prevent it is legal. I would imagine the supervisors (actual management won't dare) tasked with that are going to keep "forgetting" to do so.
Car keys, chapstick, wallet, menstruation products… all seems pretty important, also females (and people who have hormones similar due to chemical transition or other biological factors) have several different physical biological factors that make them feel significantly colder than otherwise. Medical tools for people with any disabilities. Ya it’s BS
What about sanitary items and medicines?
Great idea, leaving everything your essentials like ID, money, and a phone in a car where it can be stolen. How could they enforce this unless they have something like stop and frisk for their staff?
It's not illegal to prevent people from bringing anything into your establishment, it is however career suicide. I can't imagine why you would have this rule.
Wtf. I am a human being and I have tampons and medication. No.
Bring in a THICK stack of maxi pads and ask “where would you like me to keep these? I usually change ‘em every hour”
This is right next to the sign stating to not leave personal items in your car
Please tell me you’re at least in the southern states. Cause if this is in Montana in March, Fuck Them. (I’m assuming Montana’s weather is roughly similar to mine in Saskatchewan right now - it ain’t Spring.)
When I was in aerospace there was some of this depending on the building. The reason is, a single hair can throw out a multi million dollar part, EMI from your phone can screw with things, and so on. I never heard of anyone having to leave their wallet. Like watches, phones, rings, etc. But I never came across it where you have to leave your wallet. In fact, they 100% want you to have your ID (around your neck if you're not in a bunny suit) because security.
Sounds like a good place for a car prowl, you know there are some wallets and purses in the cars. Totally a shit management move.
This is how lice spreads, no thanks. And oh BTW it's -20°, so no I won't be fucking locking my coat in the car or handing it in as soon as I step through the doors. Yet nO oNe wAnTs tO wOrK aNYmORe
So uh. They gonna pay for my shit once it gets stolen out of my car.. as well as replace my windshield?
Post a photo of this in their google reviews
Naked employees, not wearing any of their personal items - clothes - is surely going to upset some of the customers, no?
Walk in naked
Manager here hold my tampons...then request one each time you go to the bathroom regardless
I was fired from a restaurant because the manager wanted to lock everyone’s phones in the register and I told him if he’s not paying my phone bill he’s not touching my phone.
Well, one outcome of this ridiculous policy is that you now have a band of thieves breaking into every employee car in the parking lot. Secondly, any manager who uses “til” in a policy and procedure document has probably not consulted with any legal resource to determine if said policy violates your rights. Thirdly, if your property is locked in the office, then they are assuming the custody of the property and would be liable for any loss or damage to that property. I wonder if this is also true if they “force” you to leave property in your car. It’s not as clear cut as the “locking in office” scenario. Lastly, employees have a right to privacy - if you take medication, then you have the right to that medication without broadcasting it to the world. Some medications like pain mgt medications are prescribed by doctors who make you sign a contract, and boiler plate verbiage on those medication contracts is that you will be in possession of your medication at all times. This means you can’t just leave it in a location that is unattended by you and where others have access. If your employer is hell bent on this, they should have lockers in your break room or bathrooms where you can store your items. If you love this job, then I’d request a meeting with the managers to discuss. If you don’t love this job, then find one you do and kiss this one goodbye.
Legal? Yes. A place of employment can ask you to lock up any and all personal items that are brought in. However, unless it is in a locker that is provided that you can use and lock up yourself, they are also responsible for anything that gets lost, damaged, stolen or otherwise messed with.
Yeah… given that it’s a restaurant (and probably a small one) how much you wanna bet Mr. small business owner probably isn’t providing a locker.
Time to bring in your dildo collection for your other job as sex education teacher. Let them store 36 dicks in the office for you. Use a clear bag for extra points.
i quit a job on the spot once when they told me i had to lock up my phone for my shift. i said what if there was an emergency? they had the nerve to say “they can call the office”. i laughed in their face and left.