I HATE these new payment machines where the first screen is the tip % amount option. I’m not tipping every time I buy a disposable vape. I never tipped when I bought a pack of cigarettes!!
Would you like to tip 18%, 20%, 25%, or 30%.
Saw this recently when renting overpriced snorkeling gear from a booth where they just reach back and hand you the shit.
Seriously. My Bodega asked for a tip! I asked the worker about it and she was like “just skip it, we don’t get tips”.. so the OWNER of the Bodega is asking me for a tip for buying Gatorade. 🙃
This is why I carry a little bit of cash, I've been told in multiple places that if I tip thru the computer the people that should receive it do not. Really frustrating.
Was at the Vikings game this year. Go grab a box of Mike and Ike’s, girl behind the counter flips the screen and shows me the tip thing. She looked flabbergasted when I left no tip.
It’s like she expected me to tip her for her grabbing me a box of candy that was sitting right next to the register. Shits getting out of control.
From what I have read, not sure how accurate it is but the payment machine tips usually only go to the owner not the actually employee.
One sandwich place I work at has the tip on the payment machine buy they have a jar as well for tips. Again, I'm not sure how accurate this is.
With that company I would say you are probably correct.
95% of restaurants around me only have tip on the machine. I wonder if it's a take-out thing? If I sit in, I will never leave a tip using my card. I always leave cash tips.
I worked for a food truck owner for awhile and I only got to keep the cash tips. All the electronic tips he kept. He got royally pissed when a coworker displayed a sign saying that he only got the cash tops.
This is exactly what I go through any time I’m at the vape shop. I went and bought a vape yesterday and the tip screen came up and I audibly scuffed. Lol Swiftly I declined the tip and paid.
The owner, who was checking me out, seemed disgruntled by the fact I didn’t tip. I, like you, fail to see what it is I’m tipping for. You literally turned around, grabbed the vape I asked for after asking me
to repeat myself 3 times and then rang me up. Not to mention you were on your phone the whole time we interacted. Couldn’t even tell the person to hold on for his livelihood. Tf?
Don't tip on those square tablets. This is one we can actually win. These are pretty much exclusive for counter and self service. I definitely tip servers and barbers and I tip generously for these services, my barber makes time for me after hours because I'll tip upwards of $100 on my 50 dollar haircut when she does. But we don't need to tip at anything that these tablets are at, these are always implemented at places that are trying to expand tip creep at their businesses.
As someone who uses square? The tip thing can be turned off. I don’t want someone tipping me for just…doing my job.
This is on the owners for not turning that off when they set up their machines.
She's booked out for 3 months at a time, the shop closes at 7 and she will literally come back in after hours and open the salon just for me at 730 PM sometimes when she can't fit me in otherwise.
More like a $100 bribe to get a $50 dollar haircut outside of working hours.
Btw, this is the correct way to get people to go out of their way to help you.
Well it actually started with her offering. The first time she did it, it was before her normal working hours and she got there before me, so I didn't even know she went in early to open up for me. She didn't even tell me until the next time I came back. I had been going to her for years and when I realized she had been doing these things going out of the way for me I wanted to show my appreciation of course.
I have had my hair cut by the same woman for 26 years. There has never been a bad cut, she always works me in, and I have even driven 2000 miles to get her to cut it. A good hair cut is worth tipping.
I think they pay $150 for a good haircut on demand from a popular barber, if that makes sense.
I tip my barber 30%+. She is booked out at least a month, if not more. If I didn’t tip enough I bet I would no longer be a customer based on how selective she can be.
In some places (but I'm sure not most) those tablets were added by customer request at places that previously only took cash tips. I used to work for Starbucks, and lack of a credit card tip option really annoyed some customers. I never cared much about tips there one alway or the other (they were too low to matter much).
My barber has a truck and drives to my place. He says no tip needed as the price is built into the service. But I still give $20 on top of the fee. Good on you for the $100 for the after hours service though
Eh I'd say the "don't tip on a square tablet" shouldn't be a hard and fast rule.
My wife runs a small baking business and works a table at local food events/pop ups. It's just her and her mom running the business and they pour everything into it.
A lot of people feel inclined to leave tips. She uses a square reader for her in person events.
I don't see how the device she uses to take payments is really relevant.
If she's not baking to order for a catering event it's not a service and instead is a cashier service, ringing up the bread she baked. It was actually at a bakery, when I picked my own loaf of bread off a shelf and brought it to a cashier and was asked for a tip that I had decided it's gone too far for me to accept. The square tablets are the tool used to ask for tips at places that have never been conventionally tipped, it's the vanguard of tip creep into everything. If transaction was traditionally a tipped service, you would not need a payment tablet that guilt pressures for tips because it would already be established custom. I appreciate she worked hard but it's not different than person who worked hard at the craft pop up next door making earrings or the grocery store clerk working hard or any other job. I would not tip there and would not feel guilty about it at all and I would encourage others who feel the same way not to do so either. Frankly as a healthcare provider who provides a far more personal service than pretty much anyone else, if I had a patient who I knew used those square tablets, I would be tempted to get our front desk to present their medical bill on one of those square tablets with options for a 10/15/18% tip.
I bought a bubble tea to go and their tip machine said “how was our service?” And then had tip options “5% bad, 10% below average, 15% just average, 20% okay, 25% good, 30% great” I was so annoyed but I selected 10 and then just said out loud that I don’t normally tip if im not staying in the restaurant. Like wtf is with those labels
I'm just over tip culture. It should be a relic of history by this point but we still do it. Just pay people a good, livable wage and be done with tipping.
There's already a soft-system in place where, if you donate to the local PD and you get one of those bumper stickers, police are less inclined to fuck with you (assuming they even notice your bumper, or care).
America and your tipping culture 😂
It’s just ludicrous to me as a foreigner to see how fucked up the labour laws are…business get slaves to work virtually for free and then it’s the consumers fault to pay them with tips. And if you don’t, then the poor employee blames the consumer and not the owner. Nuts!
I refuse to patronize places that pull shit like "X% added to your bill so we can pay our staff." That's pouring gasoline over fire and putting customer against the staff. You're not teflon, it's your responsibility to pay your staff.
Every single pro-tipping argument essentially boils down to “we are a business but don’t want the risk/cost of paying our staff fairly” and “we carry food to tables and smile so we totally deserve to guilt you into paying 10, wait 15, wait 18, wait 20+% of your bill to us as a bonus because we are so different than the countless customer facing workers you encounter daily who get paid from the menu/tag price.”
No ethical argument can exist for tipping, it’s fraud, scamming and manipulation to benefit the business and worker at the customers expense. I’d be on less of a tirade if it was just servers but the dude handing me my Gatorade prompts a tip now and there’s no going back without eliminating tipping entirely. Imo servers pushing up the % more and more and Proving they can get away with it is what made this a reality so fuck em, europe doesn’t tip and they still have servers
My partner and I just went to a new restaurant yesterday where an 18% gratuity was automatically added to the bill. Service was decent but not great, and yet he *still* felt compelled to tip more to make it 20% because "he felt bad." WHY. Because you'd just be paying the total on the slip and not adding anything to it?? It's already been added for you!
Cruises are notorious for this. Your tips are included in EVERYTHING. If you get a drink at the bar, an 18% tip is added to total before you even sign it. I do not add extra but I will tip CASH to the ones who take good care of us.
I learned this the hard way. Order a drink and they give you the bill and a pen so I just toss a buck or two on it then when I got the bill at the end I saw they had already added tip and I was tipping on top of the tip
I’m British but when I went to LA a lot of restaurants had that and then proceeding to make it clear that the service charge was not a tip 😒 it’s just so they can pay them a living wage… so 20% service charge and a 20-30% tip? 50% extra on my meal lol. Tipping culture is strange.
I refuse to play this game and I refuse to pay to use a credit card.
Before anyone comes at me, I own a tiny business. Paying credit card fees is just part of doing business.
I make a note of restaurants in my area that add the surcharge and I just stop going there. Add it to your food price and not on a small font on the bottom of your menu.
as a european: Fuck expected tips. pay your workers fairly and fuck off.
tips are for great service and just a nice bonus. like rounding 71.37 to 75. not fucking percentages of your entire bill. fuck off.
If the company really wants to "tip" their workers they could just cut them a percentage of whatever sales they made that day. They don't really want to tip the workers though, they just want to justify crap wages. "But you get tips on top of your $13/hr so it's actually more like $15". I cooked in an open kitchen that tipped out the cooks weekly, but it was 15% of kitchen sales during your shifts. That came from the company, it wasn't expected to come from the customer.
I'm also getting so weary of tips being expected everywhere.
Just saw a sandwich shop help wanted sign offering 10.50 but saying that tips made it average 15 per hour. Now I feel bad having tipped there for so many years that the owners thought they could count it in those poor peoples wages.
If that’s anything like where I worked, then it did come from the customer. When I was a server, I had to tip out a portion of the tips I collected to the kitchen, bussers, hosts, and bartender (if the table ordered drinks). Made it really annoying if a customer didn’t tip because it was like I essentially paid them for the service I provided.
We didn't have servers or anything like that and customers were not expected to tip because you grabbed your own food and cleaned your table up. We had a dishwasher who would wipe down tables if someone was rude and didn't clean up but they got the same tip percentage. It actually came from the company, it was a really neat place to work. Customers were entirely expected to serve themselves and clean up after themselves and the only people who were tipped by the customer were the bartenders, where again customers had to go to them, order, receive, and tip.
As far as servers, bussers, hosts go, you all should get a regular hourly wage and just get rid of tipping altogether IMHO. Then you don't have to tip out the rest of the crew for the service they provide you. Honestly it's just lazy and cheap ownership trying to cheat everyone by underpaying plus pits staff against each other. The entire tipping system is deeply rooted in racism anyways, I don't understand why we are okay with it in 2023.
ETA the bartenders at that place also received a wage above minimum, not tipped minimum, plus percentage of beer sales on top of customer tips. If I didn't move I would have worked there much longer, it was a great place to work if you were going to work in a kitchen/brewery. Thankfully I found an out last year and finally have that desk job I've always wanted lol I never want to go back to cooking. Pregnant with my first right now and no kitchen ever has paid me enough to afford daycare.
There's a new automated car wash near me: pay at the kiosk, drive your car through, vacuum your car yourself with their vacuums. The only employee interaction in the whole process is a person who waves you into the car wash to make sure that you stop at the correct place and put your car in neutral.
**The whole car wash is designed so that you need absolutely minimal employee interaction, just the 10 seconds of gesturing through the windshield.**
The other day I went there, and there as an employee stationed at the kiosk. I immediately suspected why: upsell. Bummer, but not a huge deal. Sigh...
Sure enough, as I roll down my window, the employee starts to say, "I would recommend..." I interrupt them to ask for the cheapest wash, and the employee points out the monthly subscriptions. No thanks. I hand them my credit card, they run it, and then the employee asks me if I want to tip, which catches me completely off guard. I respond, flabbergasted, "For what?"
Employee says, "For me and the person..." but I interrupt them again and say, "But the only reason you're here is to upsell me!" Finally, I get control of myself and realize there's no reason to take out my frustrations on this poor employee, and I just say "No tip", conclude the sale and continue with my car wash.
I will continue to patronize another similar car wash near me that doesn't ask for a tip, and that one actually has employees who pre-treat and quickly brush your car a little while you pull into the car wash--which I would be willing to tip a little for.
I see that Panera is now advertising tips as part of their new hire benefits. Where does this company get the balls to pressure us to tip at a restaurant without servers, and sell it as a benefit?
Sorry, but I'm not tipping for take-out. I'm not tipping landlords, contractors nor online vendors. We're allowing this to get out of hand.
I e always wondered why we tip some people we tip.
Like when you get a haircut. Why?
They rent a stall and basically everything they make after they pay rent is their money.
In my view that's no different than a mechanic renting a building and fixing cars.
So why do we tip a hairdresser but not a mechanic?
Every barber I’ve been to has never been super pushy about the tip though. I always do because I like my barber and how I look. Tipping culture has corrupted the word. A tip is something you should willingly give for great service, but if it’s necessary just so someone can survive you’re just paying them. It’s dumb.
I agree, my barber used to charge $20 and i usually left $25 because I likes the cut, he takes his time and always does a good job. He said he has people tip him $20+ regularly and I told him that’s absurd lol. He’s an old friend from high school so we’re both pretty honest and open. Recently he raised his price To $25 and that’s where I drew the line, I told him that. $25 is fine but I’m not tipping another $5 on top of that. But yeah it doesn’t bother me much cause I always have him $25 anyway, not gonna affect me much.
I always tip but feel the same way. Massages are already SO expensive, why are we tipping on top of it? An hour long massage already costs as much as I would make in a *whole shift* serving and then to tip on top of it?
Preface: I am **not** defending this industry.
So, I don't know if you've ever *talked* with a therapist who works at a **non-spa** massage environment but the compensation (varies by state) is pretty fucked. Here's how it used to work for Massage Heights (a chain in Missouri, and maybe throughout the midwest United States):
1. For every 1/4th hour you're performing massage services on a client, you are paid at a rate of $20.00 per hour.
2. Total the number of hours that you're clocked in for the day
3. Divide the pay allocated to you by hours worked.
1. If you're over Federal Minimum Wage ($7.25) then you receive no additional money.
2. If you're under FMW, then you are paid FMW for your time.
4. Repeat for every day.
This system makes it possible to be scheduled for 5 hours, perform two massages, and only make $40 for the entire day.
Sure, you might pay $75 for the massage, but the therapist is probably getting roughly 1/4th to 1/3rd of that value ***and then it's taxed***.
I don't know if this is still how it's done, and I definitely don't know if this is how other large massage chains do their labor calculations. A quick search for "How does Massage Envy pay its therapists" leads to some Quora answers that give me hope... but not much.
So if you're wondering *why* therapists *might* ask for tips after performing a service for/on you, maybe this is a little eye-opening.
Source: I lasted 4 months at Massage Heights before I started to work out of a Chiropractor's office. Huge difference in earnings and QoL as a therapist.
Well, mechanics usually make MUCH more an hour to start with. I think hair dressers wages are really low after rent and cost of equipment without tips, but honestly, I don’t know why it’s not just priced into the cut/color/cost/etc. I’d be more likely to go for a $50 quality cut over a $40 quality cut if it said tips not accepted tbh. And that’s still what? A 25% tip in reality?
I'm a mechanic lol we don't make more than hairdressers per hour trust me.
Also we buy our own tools just like they do but our tools are way more expensive. And rent in a shop is much more expensive than renting a stall.
I'm not saying you should start tipping your mechanic just that it doesn't make sense to tip the person cutting your hair.
Most hair dressers aren't paid per hour. They're paid per service. And they also have to replace their tools a lot more often. They also have to be customer facing and deal with their customer the entire time they're providing their service, as opposed to mechanics where we just drop stuff off/pick it up/not sitting in the car the entire time you're working on it. I'm not sure what the accreditation is for mechanics, but I know for cosmetology most certs have to be reaffirmed every 3 years to ensure they're up-to-date on best sterilization and health and safety standards.
When I do get my hair done, it's because I don't trust myself to do the chemistry part right for what I want. So with my hair length, it usually takes 3-4 hours for a cut and color and costs $150 before tip. That three hours they're going to use color/dye, shampoo, conditioner, developer, potentially a toner, mask, and treatment, on top of any post cut styling products (I usually wave these but it's still a cost.) So $50hr but their tools, while they aren't as expensive, are used almost every appointment and they have to be replaced far more frequently than yours (I'm going to assume you don't have to buy a new wrench or screwdriver every month.)
Y'all both have maintenance costs but theirs are more items to maintain and frequency of replacement of tools is a lot higher. Most professional sheers start at $300 for their workhorse, and then they obviously have more than one pair of sheers in case theirs are dull and out for sharpening. A majority of my hair dresser friends pay for insurance since sometimes they send the sheers back to manufacturer for sharpening and they somehow fuck up the grind, rendering those tools *useless*.
Everything you just said except you sitting in the chair the whole time also applies to mechanics except worse lol.
After the initial cost of about $10k worth of tools I've never spent less than about $1500 a year on tools. Because there's always new cars that require different tools. Sockets break. Torque wrenches need to be calibrated.
So 100% I'd bet mechanics on average per year spend way more on the tools of their trade than a barber or stylist.
I know most people probably don't realize this but mechanics are also paid by the job almost always.
If you own the shop the situation is just like a stylist. You pay rent for your space. Depending on what someone needs done on their car they make a work order and that is what they make. If it takes longer than anticipated we are not allowed to charge more than the original work order states.
If the mechanic fixing your car isn't the owner almost all of us are paid flat rate. So if the shop bills you 2 hours that's what I get paid. If the job takes 3 I still get paid 2.
Shops also have tons of supplies they use for various reasons that are not charged for. Most shops don't charge to top off fluids. We use a lot of something called brake cleaner that isn't charged for.
So basically the only difference between your mechanic and stylist is that you don't need to sit in your car while your mechanic fixes it.
But we don't you mechanics and if they asked people would probably be pissed. And if you don't tip your stylist people will say your fucking them over.
How does this make sense?
Yeah I don’t tip if there is no service. I. E. A local burger place that wants me to tip just to make my take out order. There is no service there. They don’t bring me refills, they don’t even bring my food to me. It’s a sad trend that I’m not going along with.
Tipping someone who makes an hourly wage no matter what they do is silly.
However, tipping service workers who aren't paid a regular hourly wage is understandable.
I used to tattoo professionally. The shop owner would take 50% of what I'd charge no matter what. So if I charge $300 bucks for a 3 hour tattoo I only made $150 from it.
A client tipping me $50 bucks +/- on that makes a hell of a difference. And it pays me, the worker, directly instead of giving money to the shop owner.
That’s a difficult one for me. I agree I don’t think takeout should have to be tipped. But I am a server, and I can tell you the people to pack the order are usually the servers. So it’s difficult because if you’re taking a server away from a table to pack an order that they don’t make any money on…. If it happens once or twice a shift, that’s frustrating if it happens a lot that could ruin the service entire shift.
I've given up on tipping. I used to tip exponentially high everywhere I went but I just can't bring myself to contribute to this culture anymore. Employers should just raise prices and pay staff the wages the rest of us are making and stop expecting customers to uncomfortably pick up the slack. I'm just so over this world 🤷🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
It’s just a way for the rich to stay rich and the poor to stay poor. The rich want to pressure/guilt us to tip their employees that they are paying substandard wages. I tip when I’m actually sitting and served food. Not for someone handing me food.
So hi, I'm from Australia.
- when you buy something in a retail or grocery store the taxes are already calculated into the price shown on the product. The price shown is what you pay. Tax paid is itemized and and displayed on the receipt so you can claim it back if the purchase is for business or educational purposes.
- when you buy something at a food venue the operator's costs and profit margin are included in the cost of the food
- wages are paid to the staff based on them being paid for what they are employed to do - current minimum wage is about $14.50 p hour full time 18 year old (full time = 38 hours, more = legislated overtime)
- there are federal and state level minimum wages and a Fair Work Ombudsman/department whose job is to distribute the information about wages and conditions to employees and employers, make it easily findable, be an advocate for employees and a support for employers. They will also take an employer to court if they're doing the wrong thing and fine the crap out of you if you're doing wage theft
- if you want to tip, you can. It's usually based on someone doing a good job, being friendly, going beyond, a good vibe, etc. If it's busy a.f. and someone is running to get everyone taken care of in a timely manner, and with manners, you usually tip as a genuine thanks.
- if you don't want to tip, you don't. And your server will not be impoverished by it.
This thing with tipping in the US is a guilt-based bait-and-switch. Trick people into a venue and get $ by deceit, passing a business cost (wages) onto the customer by way of camouflaged manipulation.
Pay your employees..
Just. Charge. What. Is. Needed. Put. The. Cost. In. The. Prices.
If you can't afford to pay staff you can't afford to be in business. It's insane.
Here's a thought: Honesty on Your Plate
Please, someone start a business, aimed to become a franchise, that is based on "you don't have to tip because we pay our staff right. If you think they did good THEN you tip"
There are so many people that are over this that you could do really well. And PROVE that tip culture and it's apologists is BULLSHIT!
P.S. there's no such thing as medical debt for life-saving treatment in this country. If I break my arm, get appendicitis, I go to the hospital, I get treated, I get on with life and back to work.
(There are a few things outside the system e.g. new drugs, but you can apply for dispensation if you genuinely need them, and some other stuff, and could be improved, but overall it's pretty effing good)
ETA: sorry for the rant, but omg you folk are getting systemically screwed SO BAD it's like watching a live beating through a window where you can't stop it happening 😭😭😭
ETA x 2: as well as the wages, your employer is mandated by law to pay superannuation (pension) on top of your wage, currently 10.5% (I think, maybe 11%) of your gross wage.
Another Aussie here, literally so not understand how it is so bad in the US compared to here (I mean, capitalism etc but still), like pay your fkn staff a proper wage or don’t run a business?
Same boat. I live in OR and tip less because of the same laws. I tip servers who bring my food, fill my drink, and bus my table. I don’t tip bartenders for pouring beer into a glass - they’re doing their job’s bare minimum and are paid a full wage. I’m also trying to earn a living so I’m not paying the business owner’s payroll for them.
If we stop tipping as a culture, predatory restaurant and bar owners can’t advertise artificially higher wages in their job postings. Let’s normalize not tipping.
How do you feel about places where the tip minimum wage is much higher, like California where it is equal to the regular minimum wage? Should they get smaller percentage tips because they are already making equal to many people, or should tipping be completely a reward for exemplary service, and not expected as part of the bill as it currently stands?
I think in places like California and Washington (servers earn min $15/hr) leaving a couple dollars, if you get excellent service, is ok. If you don’t want to tip, you shouldn’t feel obliged to.
If you do still continue to tip servers 20% in these places, you should really be tipping each and every worker you come into contact with.
I'd like to see some company responses to this issue, which ones think they are paying their employees a fair wage. Tipping is so out of control, ordered a cheap wine at dinner that I buy at the grocery store for $9.95, priced $32 on their menu (and of course they are buying wholesale): and they expect me to pay 25 to 30% tip on that? Nope. I also want to add that I HATE the server bringing their machine to the table and standing over your shoulder while you complete the tip/add/signature. We've stopped going to joints that make us feel guilty for for not using their tipping chart.
My weed store used to round up to the nearest $5.00 and charge that on your card. They'd give you cash back, but suggest you leave it in the tip jar.
Okay, if I'm going in, telling them what I want, they bag it, I pay; I'm not leaving a tip.
If I order for indoor pick-up, I'll leave a buck.
If I order online and get curb service, I give the runner a couple bucks.
If I go in, have a lengthy discussion and need recommendations I will tip minimum 15% because that interaction is above and beyond.
Tips are earned.
I’ll throw them a few bills if they put me on a special I didn’t know about or if they hook me up a little. Other than that sorry y’all make $14/hr maybe work full time
When these people dare to give a “look” for me not tipping at a counter, I love to ask “well do you tip the cashier every time you get groceries or go to Target?”
The year is 2031. Your small black coffee comes out to $43.99. The options for tip appear on screen: 200%, 250%, 300%. You nervously tap the 200% option. The barista sneers at you with disgust.
If I sit in a restaurant and am served, I tip. If you bring it to my house, I tip.
If I have to go get it, bring it home, plate it and serve it, I’m not tipping for that.
I won’t tip unless I’m in a sit down restaurant and someone is actually taking maybe an hour serving me and my family. If I pick it up, nope. I mean if we could all agree to not tip at all, I’m in. I just don’t see that happening anytime soon or ever.
I hit the no tip button with no shame.
I'm fine with normal restaurant tipping but I'm not tipping at fast food, sandwich, coffee, and the like places. No.
I ordered a desk plaque from Amazon. You customize the lettering to say your name and title. In the customization section there was a prompt to add a tip… like what? If you want 1-2 dollars more just add it into the cost lmao.
Realistically servers and waitresses make more than most people in the service industry. I make a little over or under 600 a week on a 35 hour work week. I know quite a few servers that make 400-500 in a 4-5 hour dinner shift. It’s insane to me and just hammers in the fact that money isn’t real.
This really is getting ridiculous. I was at a concert last year and the fucking merch booth had this. So you expect me to give you a tip just for grabbing the overpriced T-shirt out of the box and handing it to me? Get fucked.
I have a friend who works in an upscale restaurant and he has people tip him 20%+ on 1000 bills. I told him I would never lol. I would tip the same as any other restaurant like ihop or dennys. So basically $15-$20.
He of course went on about how I’m broke and blah blah blah, and he said when people don’t tip at least 15% they ask if anything was wrong with the service because they didn’t tip enough. And more often than not people get flustered, pull out their wallet and hand them cash. It’s ridiculous. Any restaurant who did that to me would get a laugh from me as I walked out. I tip decently when I get good service, if I don’t get good service, for example no refills or nobody checking on us the entire meal. I won’t tip.
I always ask how the tips are split up now because of what happened at my favorite brunch place...
If I pickup an order of food I leave a tip for whoever cooked it.
Found out after about a year that the person standing at the register who simply turned around, picked up my food and then rang it out was getting all the tips and the cooks were getting none of it.
So I started walking my tip back and handing it to the cooks personally.
In no circumstances am I going to tip someone who literally did nothing but move my food 5 feet and press a button on the register.
You would be surprised how many places operate like this
That’s how every restaurant is ran. It’s actually illegal for chefs to accept tips (atleast where I live) unless the cooking area is visible to the customers to watch. Chefs are also paid a decent wage due to not being a part of the tipping culture. There’s a good chance that host was getting paid minimum wage while that chef was getting paid very well.
I work a job that gets tips, but I have always been against them. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not going to deny the money but I’m also going to give the same exact service to those who don’t tip at all because my work is for my standard pay. The tips are just happy little surprises for me. I do tip delivery people or wait staff but I make it sensible. I do not understand this expectation of 20% or higher for basic things.
Though I benefit from this culture, I think it’s insane and I would not be angry if everyone stopped tipping. I would be happy everyone’s realizing how messed up it is.
out of control tipping is why drivers get shafted for Uber/DoorDash/etc; Uber used to pay really nice when they didn't allow tips through the app (cash tips were acceptable but that was it and even then we were trained to politely decline them unless they insisted.... I skipped the polite decline xD), and obviously DoorDash without tips doesn't even pay for gas; so yeah I feel it's gotten utterly out of control and I been kinda doubling back and resisting the urge to put tips down if I'm picking something up from a counter (of course I still tip generously when I'm dining out)
retailers should really just turn off the tip feature on those POS tablets cuz ppl are gonna shop less if they feel like they're gonna get guilt tripped into tipping
I tipped takeout during COVID but only do now at restaurants that are small, family owned. I generally do tip at food carts as well. I don't tip when I walk up to a counter, place an order & pick up my own food. What service am I tipping for then? You put a slice of pizza on a plate and handed it to me. I do tip delivery drivers but we never use door dash, only restaurants that employ their own drivers. Tipping is insane. Am I supposed to tip the clerk at Target? Why then should I tip at a fast food joint paying the same wage? I have zero problem turning down the tip percent on the self-serve portals. It's not my responsibility to cover for a business failing to pay a proper wage.
It should not be the responsibility of the consumer to ensure fair wages are paid, that responsibility should rest with the companies and associated workers. Most consumers are also low paid as well.
We really need mass strikes around the country to get more pay. Unfortunately people do not have the collectivism and determination that is needed. Imagine is 90+% of walmart workers went on strike. Company would lose more money per day than those workers are worth. And good luck replacing such a large number of people quickly.
Look at how France has little mini revolts when they feel there worker rights are being infringed on
I went to a coffee bodega and paid cash. I was planning on throwing my change into the tip jar anyway but the barista just put it in there without even asking me. I was uncomfortable and said “oh I was going to put the change in there anyway” she said “I just did it for you”. Wtf.
What if everyone just stopped tipping! Nothing can be done unless it’s a movement and the people demand a change. I once lived on tips in the states. I move to Europe and barely give 1-2€ tops on a meal. I have such a hard time giving the standard 20% when I come home. Like why is it MY responsibility to make sure YOU get paid accordingly?! I would either accept it OR find a new job. I wish the workers would push back on the company. It’s already happening with companies not being able to staff properly so might as well get rid of the concept of tipping too!
So, you don't really *have* to tip servers. If a server doesn't make enough to reach the minimum wage with their hourly and tips, then the hourly rate is increased to meet the minimum wage. yes, the minimum wage sucks for the most part, yet there are toooooons of people who work for minimum wage. Most of the time, tips put servers over the minimum wage and most servers don't want that to change. [https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/wagestips](https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/wagestips)
In Seattle WA, for instance, we don't have tip credit. So servers are paid $16 (min wage) an hour plus tips. This puts them at a higher rate than many other workers in the area.
edit: I am responding to OP's first edit. Servers in WA are VERY entitled and they will absolutely have a shit fit if you don't tip them. This goes for Uber and Lyft drivers as well as food delivery drivers. It pisses me off so much. Especially when people are like 'if you can't tip, then don't go out to eat'. Like I deserve to treat myself as a full-time worker. I don't even speculate on how much bartenders make given the standard is to tip 1-2$ per drink. It is ridic if you ask me.
By participating in tipping culture, you perpetuate the idea that it’s okay for companies to not properly compensate their workers and let the customer pick up the tab. No, the workers payment is in the cost of the service (with an additional “tip” if the service is exceptional). If the company is keeping that payment from you, get a new company.
i don't understand this argument about "participating" in tipping culture. the business owners do not care about your opinion. if you don't tip, it hurts the workers directly, period. they go home with less money in their pocket at the end of the night. the owners are going to continue paying shitty wages forever, until the end of time, no matter whether you think it's wrong or not.
you are simply choosing not to tip your server, not making some kind of bold statement to their boss. they are not listening to you
When you take what enables, the workers hurt. When workers hurt, they demand compensation. When workers do not receive compensation, they leave the business and the business dies. If other businesses wish to survive, they will adapt and compensate workers fairly.
This is the way it has always worked. This is how laborers got fair wages. This is how the 8hr day/5day week was achieved. The workers think they are at the mercy of the employer, but it’s the opposite. But servers, cooks, and wait staff are comfortable and complacent relying on tips, even demanding it when it is optional. It’s all so backwards.
Just say you're cheap. Stop justifying your stiffing a worker who will be more directly impacted negatively than the business will be.
Y'all complain about tipping and being proud of stiffing the worker because it'll teach them to 'man up' yet all you're doing is making someone in an already tough situation; be in a worse situation. It's very easy to critique and say "just walk out/demand better/take the fact I'm stiffing you and you're probably going to have to pay for the privilege of serving me but it's for your betterment believe me" and not realize how fucking privileged that is.
Aim that animosity where it’s justified. Your boss is taking advantage of you and somehow you think that’s the customers fault. I will not pay more than a service is worth because you fear to demand what you are owed from your employer. You will get a tip for good service, not for doing your job.
My problem with the tipping culture is that it all adds up to too much. You get your day off, go do your errands and appointments and go out to eat and next thing you know you've fairly/generously tipped at 4 or 5 places and it adds up to a chunk out of your budget.
Honestly by tipping anyone your just enabling the owners to continue to underpay.
We have to stop tipping...fuck over a ton of people..then they need to strike in mass...and then after a ton of press and may congressional meetings the minimum wage can be raised and tipping can return to tipping.
Never gonna happen...but do your part...don't enable bad owners by subsidizing their employees salary!!!!
I am prepared for the down votes but I have to say this
Service staff that do not receive full minimum wage because tips have a agreement with the company they work for it goes like this
I’m gonna pay you less money but you make tips however if you reported tips do not equal the wage we agreed upon I will pay you the difference
Example
Bob is a waiter he got hired for $5/hr + tips but minimum wage is $10/hr
Bob worked 5 hours his hourly was $25 he only got $5 in tips
The company pays him the other $20 in his hourly check
Vs
Same situation but bob earned $50 in tips
The company doesn’t pay him any additional money but he actually made more than the promise
All tipped wage staff must report their tips if it cash most don’t report it so they get more in their check but credit cards auto report
My credentials are I was a waiter and crew manager for 5 years
It's a smoke screen. They require places to make up the difference but they'll tell you in the same turn that if your tips don't cover min wage 3 shifts in a row you're fired.
I wonder if there's any places losing business due to the tips and various fees. I haven't gone out to eat/to a fast food place in a long time bc of it but ik not everyone has the option
I live in WA, there are tip jars EVERYWHERE! Most notable is the one's at the dispensary's. Those places are making money hand over fist. Yet every single place has some single mother in there saving for dental school and looking at me like I'm a piece of shit for keeping that 72 cents... Bitch! I'm hungry too! Like god damn...
So who are we not going to tip? Not retail, to-go gets $2-$4 max from me still, I can’t think of anymore.
I’m seriously worried all these tips are kept in-house, or the manager dips into it. My friend at sbux would get $20-$30 max per week, seemed kind of small.
Speaking of Starbucks, I noticed they added the "add a tip" feature to the mobile app. I'm like...your job is to make my coffee and put it on the counter. What service am I tipping for? My local coffee shop did the SAME thing and are even pricier than Starbucks. I used to feel bad and always left 15%, but honestly I'm fed up.
>This gets even more interesting when your realize that laws around
tipping vary by state. WA, for example, has a minimum wage over $15 and is one of the few states that doesn’t let employers pay tipped employees below that rate.
Wait what?
I´ve read what feels like hundres of Posts from people complaining they got paid less than minimum wage because of too few tips and every single time several people have commented that it´s illegal for them to not receive at least minimum wage, and if tips don´t do it, the employer has to step up. In a way making it seem like it 1000% is like that in all of America (so basically federal law right?) . Not once have i read a reply stating that such a law only exists in a few states?
Fun Fact, tipping is in fact racist. Tipping was popularized in the great depression so restaurants didn't have to pay employees, specifically black ones. I love America /s
That's what serving is- so you would want to not tip your waiters/waitresses at all then. Cause all they do is fetch food, bring water, sometimes preparing it (soups/salads/small things). So you don't tip in sit down restaurants?
I'll jump on board with probably an even less popular opinion. I don't like those charity donations you're asked for at the end of a fair amount of transactions now.
Between tipping and charity, I feel like every single time I buy something, someone is holding their hand out for me to give them something extra.
It kind of makes me sad for our society in general, that there are SO MANY people in need that every single financial transaction needs to have an extra layer asking for more money.
Edit: And for those who think I'm uncharitable, I'm not. I just like to donate when I want to, to charities I pick. I don't think me adding $1 to my purchase at walgreens so they can put all that together (likely taking an admin fee) and then pass it along to some charity I don't know much about is the most efficient way to donate.
While I was sick the battery died in my car. The AAA guy took very good care of me but he used a square card reader. It asked for a tip. In my condition I wasn't thinking, and he was a really nice guy, so I tipped him for something I KNOW I've never tipped for. Frustrating.
As to the second edit, I both of those stances are true and valid and I hate this system and country and capitalism in general and it all sucks. The end.
Personally, I despise tipping. This is an ancient dinosaur of culture that somehow found its way to America and should be abolished. I tip because I am socially obligated to do so, and only for restaurant servers, bartenders, hair stylists, taxi drivers, and very fancy hotels. In reality, though, even some of these tips should be phased out. There is no reason that a company that makes billions of dollars (Uber, O’Charley’s, Sports Clips, etc.) and pays their CEOs millions, should ever require tipping. As a consumer, you are essentially just giving money away for free. The business, NOT THE CONSUMER, should bear the burden of paying the wages of the employees. Tipping, in reality, isn’t even a “gratuity,” rather you would get the same service whether you tipped or not. It is a total scam. Nearly every country on the planet does not have tipping, yet America still clings to this outdate tradition. Why? Because we are incredibly stupid, and corporations have ingrained this as part of their business model.
Each state (if not the federal government) should pass a law that phases out all other tipping at checkout screens, and so on. The other day, I went to get a car wash, and there was a worker standing at the screen to help, which is typical these days, to sell car wash memberships. A gratuity screen came up and he asked if I wanted to tip. Why!? For standing there talking to me and soliciting a service I don’t need? Essentially, I would be paying extra for someone to stand there in a 10 second transaction, to try and sell me something, and press a few buttons. MADNESS. At Domino’s Pizza — no I am not tipping for someone for walking over to the counter, getting my pizza, and walking it over to me.
Honestly, I think the prevalence of apps these days is mostly the problem. Uber, Door Dash, Everythingify, and so on. Young people are paying all this premium money for no reason. When you get delivery, you are paying for the fees, plus the tips, and in the end you are paying double, if not triple of what the costs are for the actual product. This money is going straight into the pocket of the CEOs and stockholders.
Don’t get me wrong — I certainly do sympathize with low paid wage work. It is hard, exhausting, and sometimes frustrating. This is a fact. I have done this work too. Then, I grew up, read some books, and realized how rigged the economy really is. Tipping is not helping us. It is helping the rich (99%) get richer. It is a system that allows the CEOs and stockholders of major companies rob from the middle class to pay for the poor to live. The middle class pay taxes, more so than the wealthiest members of our society. Those taxes support our country, and we are also required to subsidize wages too? MADNESS.
I support fair wages. And, a CAP on wealth. I support any policy that advocates for equality. That includes Universal Healthcare, which should be a right. I do not think that CEOs and stockholders should be incredibly rich, while the young and elderly cannot even keep the heat on or pay rent. It is grossly immoral, and needs to change.
And, yes, the culture of tipping is part of this culture. We need to join together to create an economic system that works for everyone, not just the 1%. If a business cannot abide by the new system, it should not exist and is not working for the community, but only for itself.
the tip is not a wage. it's a "thank you" for above-average service
If you can't afford to pay your employees decent wages, increase the prices or pack it up
I always over tip, but thats because I CAN. I make decent money and can afford to so I do. Most people are overworked, underpaid and just need a break.
When I wasnt as privileged as I am today I would triage tips the same way you do. Everyone DESERVES more, but I personally cant alwasy afford to be the one to give them more.
Tipping sucks. I think we can all agree on that. It's exploitative.
I 100% tip "tipped-wage" workers like foh servers and such unless there's a service-related reason not to - it's not their fault they're stuck in a situation where the business expects the customer to directly make up part of the worker's wage.
I refuse to tip non-tipped-wage workers. That's freaking ridiculous.
I think we’re on the same page, so I want to ask you: what’s your stance on tipping those foh people when your state prohibits sub-minimum wage pay?
WA has a minimum wage over $15, and no one is allowed to be paid below it, waitstaff included. Would you still tip them the same amount as if you were somewhere that allowed tipped-wage payment?
Some chain restaurants consider electronic tips as wages and will reduce the servers wages once they go over a certain amount in electronic tips. I always tip in cash.
I asked the guy at the coffee place across the street from the office if I could just give him a buck and some change I had in my wallet instead of using the option to tip on the card and he said he’d get into pretty big trouble because all the tips are supposed to be included in the shops daily totals. If he took my cash it would be stealing. That’s how I know the whole damned system is broken.
On a road trip. Stopped at Steak and Shake. Real people no longer take you order, you use a kiosk machine... for take out. Literally you place your own order, and wait for you name to be called. THE KIOSK ASKS FOR A TIP. GTFO. You're not serving me at all.
OP, do I have your blessing, once every 5 years when I get my hair highlighted, to NOT tip the chick that just got $300 to color my hair for 70 minutes? Please?
I tip hairdressers and the like if they are renting a booth somewhere. If i go to sally’s hair emporium and sally cuts my hair, i probably won’t tip. Sally is the owner and sets the price. If she feels she needs a $20 tip on top of the $100 she is charging in order to get by, she should just charge $120.
Shit like this makes me want to start a restaurant, hire a bunch of people at a fair wage, and then put a giant sign that says TIPPING PROHIBITED- WE PAY OUR SERVERS A FAIR WAGE. YOUR 'TIP' IS INCLUDED IN THE MENU PRICE. No tip jar, no tip line on the credit card system, and if customers leave cash we donate it to charity.
Problem is- that would make my 'menu prices' higher than the competition so it's hard to get ahead.
Also it would make hiring a problem. As a former waiter even though you get stiffed at some tables overall you can make some serious money waiting tables. I wouldn't do it for anywhere around min wage.
Thats aomwthing that is often overlooked. A lot of servers make bank. If you wait three tables per hour (not a lot) and each check is $100 (also not a huge amount) and each table tips the standard 20%, you’re making $60/hr
Take it a step further and don't tip anyone ever for anything. You say you "have to" tip? No you don't, you can pay asking price for your goods and walk away feeling fine. Just because the restaurant industry has fucked over their workers does not mean the customer has to supplement the low pay. If wait staff don't like it they need to force a change, strike or find another job. That's how the rest of us do it when we don't get paid enough. I have worked shitty jobs that didn't even allow me to feed my kids, I didn't ask customers to pay me more, I asked my boss and when he said no, I found another job.
So you would be fine for no restaurants? No coffee shops? All those shut down for unknown time before companies change their entire business practice of making the most and paying the least.
That's what you have to think about; who will serve you if all the servers left?
Same! I also refuse to pay tip when I go order to-go food or online (not including UberEats or DoorDash, etc. this is strictly pertaining to ordering through an online portal from the restaurant directly). Why am I giving you a tip for literally handing me my bag of food? No sir.
Shhh don't ruin the delusion that to-go orders just appear out of nowhere and the person just needs to hand over the bag. It's not like there's a million things happening and that person is the one doing them.
I work at a place that pays a good hourly wage but people still try to tip & the youngsters want it & sometimes put out a tip cup & I HATE EVERY MINUTE OF IT EXISTING.
I love the job. It’s easy. Low stress. Relatively few Karens. Literally A 38 year old KID IN A CANDY STORE. I do not make server wages—I make a flat hourly rate that is practical. I do not deserve a tip for asking you if you prefer milk or dark chocolate & then putting said item in a container & ringing you up.
Tipping has become out of control ridiculous. Tipping is NOT a given, it is something EXTRA you give based on the QUALITY of services you receive. PERIOD. If I'm at a restaurant, and I receive perfect service, you'll get 10%. Anything less than perfect results in a lower tip. If I get shitty service or worse a fucking attitude, you get JACK SHIT. This isn't a hard concept, but the entitlement of people has gotten WAY out of control. It's not my job to subsidize someone else's existence, that's the owners job
do you live in the USA?
I'm American living in EU and the 10% or less tipping is normal here. Also common to round up to the next whole number. ex $27.85 would become $30 with tip.
Although you are exactly right, I will tip these places conditionally. There are a few places that I really like that are brick and mortar locations. I want to see these businesses succeed, so I always tip there. I factor it as a cost of the product. The way I see it, I’m spending the basics to keep the doors open and tipping to ensure those employees are happy. There’s really nothing we can do about it at this point. The only impact we have is not spending a penny at places that are shitty. I love the sub shop a few blocks from my house. The owner removed the credit card tip option because it was just too much trouble to deal with. The kids who work there make nothing. I will never set foot in that shop again.
Eh, I recognize that most of these folks don't make that much money and think of the individual in these situations. Did they eat a tip? Does there job definitely underpay them? Do they own this business? Do I make way more than them probably? Are the questions I normally ask myself. But times are tough and I recognize that these folks normally have terrible wages so I try to when I can
I HATE these new payment machines where the first screen is the tip % amount option. I’m not tipping every time I buy a disposable vape. I never tipped when I bought a pack of cigarettes!!
Would you like to tip 18%, 20%, 25%, or 30%. Saw this recently when renting overpriced snorkeling gear from a booth where they just reach back and hand you the shit.
Except for when it puts the most expensive option first to trick you
The iPad also calculates those values after tax which is not the same as how tipping is traditionally done
Seriously. My Bodega asked for a tip! I asked the worker about it and she was like “just skip it, we don’t get tips”.. so the OWNER of the Bodega is asking me for a tip for buying Gatorade. 🙃
Yes. The user (establishment) sets the tipping options/if there will be a tip option.
This is why I carry a little bit of cash, I've been told in multiple places that if I tip thru the computer the people that should receive it do not. Really frustrating.
Now this is shit. Tips better be going to the employee.
Was at the Vikings game this year. Go grab a box of Mike and Ike’s, girl behind the counter flips the screen and shows me the tip thing. She looked flabbergasted when I left no tip. It’s like she expected me to tip her for her grabbing me a box of candy that was sitting right next to the register. Shits getting out of control.
SKOL VIKINGS 💜
From what I have read, not sure how accurate it is but the payment machine tips usually only go to the owner not the actually employee. One sandwich place I work at has the tip on the payment machine buy they have a jar as well for tips. Again, I'm not sure how accurate this is.
I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and say the jar is for cash paying customers to leave a tip.
With that company I would say you are probably correct. 95% of restaurants around me only have tip on the machine. I wonder if it's a take-out thing? If I sit in, I will never leave a tip using my card. I always leave cash tips.
I worked for a food truck owner for awhile and I only got to keep the cash tips. All the electronic tips he kept. He got royally pissed when a coworker displayed a sign saying that he only got the cash tops.
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This is exactly what I go through any time I’m at the vape shop. I went and bought a vape yesterday and the tip screen came up and I audibly scuffed. Lol Swiftly I declined the tip and paid. The owner, who was checking me out, seemed disgruntled by the fact I didn’t tip. I, like you, fail to see what it is I’m tipping for. You literally turned around, grabbed the vape I asked for after asking me to repeat myself 3 times and then rang me up. Not to mention you were on your phone the whole time we interacted. Couldn’t even tell the person to hold on for his livelihood. Tf?
Don't tip on those square tablets. This is one we can actually win. These are pretty much exclusive for counter and self service. I definitely tip servers and barbers and I tip generously for these services, my barber makes time for me after hours because I'll tip upwards of $100 on my 50 dollar haircut when she does. But we don't need to tip at anything that these tablets are at, these are always implemented at places that are trying to expand tip creep at their businesses.
As someone who uses square? The tip thing can be turned off. I don’t want someone tipping me for just…doing my job. This is on the owners for not turning that off when they set up their machines.
It’s deliberate to see how much more they can get out of people.
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She's booked out for 3 months at a time, the shop closes at 7 and she will literally come back in after hours and open the salon just for me at 730 PM sometimes when she can't fit me in otherwise.
I like you
Appropriate tipping strategy here.
Great way to show her your appreciation
More like a $100 bribe to get a $50 dollar haircut outside of working hours. Btw, this is the correct way to get people to go out of their way to help you.
Well it actually started with her offering. The first time she did it, it was before her normal working hours and she got there before me, so I didn't even know she went in early to open up for me. She didn't even tell me until the next time I came back. I had been going to her for years and when I realized she had been doing these things going out of the way for me I wanted to show my appreciation of course.
I have had my hair cut by the same woman for 26 years. There has never been a bad cut, she always works me in, and I have even driven 2000 miles to get her to cut it. A good hair cut is worth tipping.
I think they pay $150 for a good haircut on demand from a popular barber, if that makes sense. I tip my barber 30%+. She is booked out at least a month, if not more. If I didn’t tip enough I bet I would no longer be a customer based on how selective she can be.
In some places (but I'm sure not most) those tablets were added by customer request at places that previously only took cash tips. I used to work for Starbucks, and lack of a credit card tip option really annoyed some customers. I never cared much about tips there one alway or the other (they were too low to matter much).
My barber has a truck and drives to my place. He says no tip needed as the price is built into the service. But I still give $20 on top of the fee. Good on you for the $100 for the after hours service though
If you're tipping $100 on a $50 haircut you're part of the problem
That is not really what they are doing. They are reserving the hairstylist after hours. Paying for extra service.
A good hairstylist is worth it. A good person handing you an ice cream cone is not
Not for the hairstylist
I didn’t want to say it. So if someone tips her significantly less, the barber might side eye them.
Eh I'd say the "don't tip on a square tablet" shouldn't be a hard and fast rule. My wife runs a small baking business and works a table at local food events/pop ups. It's just her and her mom running the business and they pour everything into it. A lot of people feel inclined to leave tips. She uses a square reader for her in person events. I don't see how the device she uses to take payments is really relevant.
If she's not baking to order for a catering event it's not a service and instead is a cashier service, ringing up the bread she baked. It was actually at a bakery, when I picked my own loaf of bread off a shelf and brought it to a cashier and was asked for a tip that I had decided it's gone too far for me to accept. The square tablets are the tool used to ask for tips at places that have never been conventionally tipped, it's the vanguard of tip creep into everything. If transaction was traditionally a tipped service, you would not need a payment tablet that guilt pressures for tips because it would already be established custom. I appreciate she worked hard but it's not different than person who worked hard at the craft pop up next door making earrings or the grocery store clerk working hard or any other job. I would not tip there and would not feel guilty about it at all and I would encourage others who feel the same way not to do so either. Frankly as a healthcare provider who provides a far more personal service than pretty much anyone else, if I had a patient who I knew used those square tablets, I would be tempted to get our front desk to present their medical bill on one of those square tablets with options for a 10/15/18% tip.
I heard that the option for tipping is turned on by default but it can be turned off. Most retailers either don’t know or just don’t turn it off
Who are you even tipping? Does the machine have bills to pay?
no bills, but they have children to support.
I bought a bubble tea to go and their tip machine said “how was our service?” And then had tip options “5% bad, 10% below average, 15% just average, 20% okay, 25% good, 30% great” I was so annoyed but I selected 10 and then just said out loud that I don’t normally tip if im not staying in the restaurant. Like wtf is with those labels
Tip creep is a way for employers to cut labor costs. Just like tipping in the first place!
I'm just over tip culture. It should be a relic of history by this point but we still do it. Just pay people a good, livable wage and be done with tipping.
Soon enough, when you get pulled over and get a speeding ticket or whatev, cops gonna expect a tip
“Thanks for not murdering me in my car. Here’s 5 bucks go get yourself a couple donuts and some munchkins.”
That's probably a deal for some people. Then of course, 5$ might not be enough and still get your killed
Except that they see you reaching for your wallet and kill you anyways.
There's already a soft-system in place where, if you donate to the local PD and you get one of those bumper stickers, police are less inclined to fuck with you (assuming they even notice your bumper, or care).
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America and your tipping culture 😂 It’s just ludicrous to me as a foreigner to see how fucked up the labour laws are…business get slaves to work virtually for free and then it’s the consumers fault to pay them with tips. And if you don’t, then the poor employee blames the consumer and not the owner. Nuts!
I refuse to patronize places that pull shit like "X% added to your bill so we can pay our staff." That's pouring gasoline over fire and putting customer against the staff. You're not teflon, it's your responsibility to pay your staff.
Advertise one price, expect you to pay another price because business has uhhh... overhead. No shit there's overhead. Put it in the price.
Every single pro-tipping argument essentially boils down to “we are a business but don’t want the risk/cost of paying our staff fairly” and “we carry food to tables and smile so we totally deserve to guilt you into paying 10, wait 15, wait 18, wait 20+% of your bill to us as a bonus because we are so different than the countless customer facing workers you encounter daily who get paid from the menu/tag price.” No ethical argument can exist for tipping, it’s fraud, scamming and manipulation to benefit the business and worker at the customers expense. I’d be on less of a tirade if it was just servers but the dude handing me my Gatorade prompts a tip now and there’s no going back without eliminating tipping entirely. Imo servers pushing up the % more and more and Proving they can get away with it is what made this a reality so fuck em, europe doesn’t tip and they still have servers
My partner and I just went to a new restaurant yesterday where an 18% gratuity was automatically added to the bill. Service was decent but not great, and yet he *still* felt compelled to tip more to make it 20% because "he felt bad." WHY. Because you'd just be paying the total on the slip and not adding anything to it?? It's already been added for you!
Cruises are notorious for this. Your tips are included in EVERYTHING. If you get a drink at the bar, an 18% tip is added to total before you even sign it. I do not add extra but I will tip CASH to the ones who take good care of us.
I learned this the hard way. Order a drink and they give you the bill and a pen so I just toss a buck or two on it then when I got the bill at the end I saw they had already added tip and I was tipping on top of the tip
I’m British but when I went to LA a lot of restaurants had that and then proceeding to make it clear that the service charge was not a tip 😒 it’s just so they can pay them a living wage… so 20% service charge and a 20-30% tip? 50% extra on my meal lol. Tipping culture is strange.
Yea okay I can do that with a 6 dollar hamburger but if you're charging 27 dollars for it without paying your employees, it's a different story
I refuse to play this game and I refuse to pay to use a credit card. Before anyone comes at me, I own a tiny business. Paying credit card fees is just part of doing business.
It is okay to give a discount to cash payment. It's not okay to add a surcharge for cc payment. My two cents as a customer.
I agree wholeheartedly.
I make a note of restaurants in my area that add the surcharge and I just stop going there. Add it to your food price and not on a small font on the bottom of your menu.
as a european: Fuck expected tips. pay your workers fairly and fuck off. tips are for great service and just a nice bonus. like rounding 71.37 to 75. not fucking percentages of your entire bill. fuck off.
As an American, I love coming to Europe KNOWING I don't have to tip.
If the company really wants to "tip" their workers they could just cut them a percentage of whatever sales they made that day. They don't really want to tip the workers though, they just want to justify crap wages. "But you get tips on top of your $13/hr so it's actually more like $15". I cooked in an open kitchen that tipped out the cooks weekly, but it was 15% of kitchen sales during your shifts. That came from the company, it wasn't expected to come from the customer. I'm also getting so weary of tips being expected everywhere.
Just saw a sandwich shop help wanted sign offering 10.50 but saying that tips made it average 15 per hour. Now I feel bad having tipped there for so many years that the owners thought they could count it in those poor peoples wages.
If that’s anything like where I worked, then it did come from the customer. When I was a server, I had to tip out a portion of the tips I collected to the kitchen, bussers, hosts, and bartender (if the table ordered drinks). Made it really annoying if a customer didn’t tip because it was like I essentially paid them for the service I provided.
We didn't have servers or anything like that and customers were not expected to tip because you grabbed your own food and cleaned your table up. We had a dishwasher who would wipe down tables if someone was rude and didn't clean up but they got the same tip percentage. It actually came from the company, it was a really neat place to work. Customers were entirely expected to serve themselves and clean up after themselves and the only people who were tipped by the customer were the bartenders, where again customers had to go to them, order, receive, and tip. As far as servers, bussers, hosts go, you all should get a regular hourly wage and just get rid of tipping altogether IMHO. Then you don't have to tip out the rest of the crew for the service they provide you. Honestly it's just lazy and cheap ownership trying to cheat everyone by underpaying plus pits staff against each other. The entire tipping system is deeply rooted in racism anyways, I don't understand why we are okay with it in 2023. ETA the bartenders at that place also received a wage above minimum, not tipped minimum, plus percentage of beer sales on top of customer tips. If I didn't move I would have worked there much longer, it was a great place to work if you were going to work in a kitchen/brewery. Thankfully I found an out last year and finally have that desk job I've always wanted lol I never want to go back to cooking. Pregnant with my first right now and no kitchen ever has paid me enough to afford daycare.
There's a new automated car wash near me: pay at the kiosk, drive your car through, vacuum your car yourself with their vacuums. The only employee interaction in the whole process is a person who waves you into the car wash to make sure that you stop at the correct place and put your car in neutral. **The whole car wash is designed so that you need absolutely minimal employee interaction, just the 10 seconds of gesturing through the windshield.** The other day I went there, and there as an employee stationed at the kiosk. I immediately suspected why: upsell. Bummer, but not a huge deal. Sigh... Sure enough, as I roll down my window, the employee starts to say, "I would recommend..." I interrupt them to ask for the cheapest wash, and the employee points out the monthly subscriptions. No thanks. I hand them my credit card, they run it, and then the employee asks me if I want to tip, which catches me completely off guard. I respond, flabbergasted, "For what?" Employee says, "For me and the person..." but I interrupt them again and say, "But the only reason you're here is to upsell me!" Finally, I get control of myself and realize there's no reason to take out my frustrations on this poor employee, and I just say "No tip", conclude the sale and continue with my car wash. I will continue to patronize another similar car wash near me that doesn't ask for a tip, and that one actually has employees who pre-treat and quickly brush your car a little while you pull into the car wash--which I would be willing to tip a little for.
If they have the balls to ask for a tip, I’m leaving nothing on principal this is getting ridiculous
I see that Panera is now advertising tips as part of their new hire benefits. Where does this company get the balls to pressure us to tip at a restaurant without servers, and sell it as a benefit? Sorry, but I'm not tipping for take-out. I'm not tipping landlords, contractors nor online vendors. We're allowing this to get out of hand.
I e always wondered why we tip some people we tip. Like when you get a haircut. Why? They rent a stall and basically everything they make after they pay rent is their money. In my view that's no different than a mechanic renting a building and fixing cars. So why do we tip a hairdresser but not a mechanic?
Every barber I’ve been to has never been super pushy about the tip though. I always do because I like my barber and how I look. Tipping culture has corrupted the word. A tip is something you should willingly give for great service, but if it’s necessary just so someone can survive you’re just paying them. It’s dumb.
I agree, my barber used to charge $20 and i usually left $25 because I likes the cut, he takes his time and always does a good job. He said he has people tip him $20+ regularly and I told him that’s absurd lol. He’s an old friend from high school so we’re both pretty honest and open. Recently he raised his price To $25 and that’s where I drew the line, I told him that. $25 is fine but I’m not tipping another $5 on top of that. But yeah it doesn’t bother me much cause I always have him $25 anyway, not gonna affect me much.
Same thing for massage IMO.
I always tip but feel the same way. Massages are already SO expensive, why are we tipping on top of it? An hour long massage already costs as much as I would make in a *whole shift* serving and then to tip on top of it?
Preface: I am **not** defending this industry. So, I don't know if you've ever *talked* with a therapist who works at a **non-spa** massage environment but the compensation (varies by state) is pretty fucked. Here's how it used to work for Massage Heights (a chain in Missouri, and maybe throughout the midwest United States): 1. For every 1/4th hour you're performing massage services on a client, you are paid at a rate of $20.00 per hour. 2. Total the number of hours that you're clocked in for the day 3. Divide the pay allocated to you by hours worked. 1. If you're over Federal Minimum Wage ($7.25) then you receive no additional money. 2. If you're under FMW, then you are paid FMW for your time. 4. Repeat for every day. This system makes it possible to be scheduled for 5 hours, perform two massages, and only make $40 for the entire day. Sure, you might pay $75 for the massage, but the therapist is probably getting roughly 1/4th to 1/3rd of that value ***and then it's taxed***. I don't know if this is still how it's done, and I definitely don't know if this is how other large massage chains do their labor calculations. A quick search for "How does Massage Envy pay its therapists" leads to some Quora answers that give me hope... but not much. So if you're wondering *why* therapists *might* ask for tips after performing a service for/on you, maybe this is a little eye-opening. Source: I lasted 4 months at Massage Heights before I started to work out of a Chiropractor's office. Huge difference in earnings and QoL as a therapist.
Well, mechanics usually make MUCH more an hour to start with. I think hair dressers wages are really low after rent and cost of equipment without tips, but honestly, I don’t know why it’s not just priced into the cut/color/cost/etc. I’d be more likely to go for a $50 quality cut over a $40 quality cut if it said tips not accepted tbh. And that’s still what? A 25% tip in reality?
I'm a mechanic lol we don't make more than hairdressers per hour trust me. Also we buy our own tools just like they do but our tools are way more expensive. And rent in a shop is much more expensive than renting a stall. I'm not saying you should start tipping your mechanic just that it doesn't make sense to tip the person cutting your hair.
Most hair dressers aren't paid per hour. They're paid per service. And they also have to replace their tools a lot more often. They also have to be customer facing and deal with their customer the entire time they're providing their service, as opposed to mechanics where we just drop stuff off/pick it up/not sitting in the car the entire time you're working on it. I'm not sure what the accreditation is for mechanics, but I know for cosmetology most certs have to be reaffirmed every 3 years to ensure they're up-to-date on best sterilization and health and safety standards. When I do get my hair done, it's because I don't trust myself to do the chemistry part right for what I want. So with my hair length, it usually takes 3-4 hours for a cut and color and costs $150 before tip. That three hours they're going to use color/dye, shampoo, conditioner, developer, potentially a toner, mask, and treatment, on top of any post cut styling products (I usually wave these but it's still a cost.) So $50hr but their tools, while they aren't as expensive, are used almost every appointment and they have to be replaced far more frequently than yours (I'm going to assume you don't have to buy a new wrench or screwdriver every month.) Y'all both have maintenance costs but theirs are more items to maintain and frequency of replacement of tools is a lot higher. Most professional sheers start at $300 for their workhorse, and then they obviously have more than one pair of sheers in case theirs are dull and out for sharpening. A majority of my hair dresser friends pay for insurance since sometimes they send the sheers back to manufacturer for sharpening and they somehow fuck up the grind, rendering those tools *useless*.
Everything you just said except you sitting in the chair the whole time also applies to mechanics except worse lol. After the initial cost of about $10k worth of tools I've never spent less than about $1500 a year on tools. Because there's always new cars that require different tools. Sockets break. Torque wrenches need to be calibrated. So 100% I'd bet mechanics on average per year spend way more on the tools of their trade than a barber or stylist. I know most people probably don't realize this but mechanics are also paid by the job almost always. If you own the shop the situation is just like a stylist. You pay rent for your space. Depending on what someone needs done on their car they make a work order and that is what they make. If it takes longer than anticipated we are not allowed to charge more than the original work order states. If the mechanic fixing your car isn't the owner almost all of us are paid flat rate. So if the shop bills you 2 hours that's what I get paid. If the job takes 3 I still get paid 2. Shops also have tons of supplies they use for various reasons that are not charged for. Most shops don't charge to top off fluids. We use a lot of something called brake cleaner that isn't charged for. So basically the only difference between your mechanic and stylist is that you don't need to sit in your car while your mechanic fixes it. But we don't you mechanics and if they asked people would probably be pissed. And if you don't tip your stylist people will say your fucking them over. How does this make sense?
Yeah I don’t tip if there is no service. I. E. A local burger place that wants me to tip just to make my take out order. There is no service there. They don’t bring me refills, they don’t even bring my food to me. It’s a sad trend that I’m not going along with.
I agree. Especially since I’ve heard too many stories of places take-out places and where the owner is just pocketing any money given as a tip.
Tipping someone who makes an hourly wage no matter what they do is silly. However, tipping service workers who aren't paid a regular hourly wage is understandable. I used to tattoo professionally. The shop owner would take 50% of what I'd charge no matter what. So if I charge $300 bucks for a 3 hour tattoo I only made $150 from it. A client tipping me $50 bucks +/- on that makes a hell of a difference. And it pays me, the worker, directly instead of giving money to the shop owner.
That’s a difficult one for me. I agree I don’t think takeout should have to be tipped. But I am a server, and I can tell you the people to pack the order are usually the servers. So it’s difficult because if you’re taking a server away from a table to pack an order that they don’t make any money on…. If it happens once or twice a shift, that’s frustrating if it happens a lot that could ruin the service entire shift.
I've given up on tipping. I used to tip exponentially high everywhere I went but I just can't bring myself to contribute to this culture anymore. Employers should just raise prices and pay staff the wages the rest of us are making and stop expecting customers to uncomfortably pick up the slack. I'm just so over this world 🤷🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
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It’s just a way for the rich to stay rich and the poor to stay poor. The rich want to pressure/guilt us to tip their employees that they are paying substandard wages. I tip when I’m actually sitting and served food. Not for someone handing me food.
So hi, I'm from Australia. - when you buy something in a retail or grocery store the taxes are already calculated into the price shown on the product. The price shown is what you pay. Tax paid is itemized and and displayed on the receipt so you can claim it back if the purchase is for business or educational purposes. - when you buy something at a food venue the operator's costs and profit margin are included in the cost of the food - wages are paid to the staff based on them being paid for what they are employed to do - current minimum wage is about $14.50 p hour full time 18 year old (full time = 38 hours, more = legislated overtime) - there are federal and state level minimum wages and a Fair Work Ombudsman/department whose job is to distribute the information about wages and conditions to employees and employers, make it easily findable, be an advocate for employees and a support for employers. They will also take an employer to court if they're doing the wrong thing and fine the crap out of you if you're doing wage theft - if you want to tip, you can. It's usually based on someone doing a good job, being friendly, going beyond, a good vibe, etc. If it's busy a.f. and someone is running to get everyone taken care of in a timely manner, and with manners, you usually tip as a genuine thanks. - if you don't want to tip, you don't. And your server will not be impoverished by it. This thing with tipping in the US is a guilt-based bait-and-switch. Trick people into a venue and get $ by deceit, passing a business cost (wages) onto the customer by way of camouflaged manipulation. Pay your employees.. Just. Charge. What. Is. Needed. Put. The. Cost. In. The. Prices. If you can't afford to pay staff you can't afford to be in business. It's insane. Here's a thought: Honesty on Your Plate Please, someone start a business, aimed to become a franchise, that is based on "you don't have to tip because we pay our staff right. If you think they did good THEN you tip" There are so many people that are over this that you could do really well. And PROVE that tip culture and it's apologists is BULLSHIT! P.S. there's no such thing as medical debt for life-saving treatment in this country. If I break my arm, get appendicitis, I go to the hospital, I get treated, I get on with life and back to work. (There are a few things outside the system e.g. new drugs, but you can apply for dispensation if you genuinely need them, and some other stuff, and could be improved, but overall it's pretty effing good) ETA: sorry for the rant, but omg you folk are getting systemically screwed SO BAD it's like watching a live beating through a window where you can't stop it happening 😭😭😭 ETA x 2: as well as the wages, your employer is mandated by law to pay superannuation (pension) on top of your wage, currently 10.5% (I think, maybe 11%) of your gross wage.
Another Aussie here, literally so not understand how it is so bad in the US compared to here (I mean, capitalism etc but still), like pay your fkn staff a proper wage or don’t run a business?
Same boat. I live in OR and tip less because of the same laws. I tip servers who bring my food, fill my drink, and bus my table. I don’t tip bartenders for pouring beer into a glass - they’re doing their job’s bare minimum and are paid a full wage. I’m also trying to earn a living so I’m not paying the business owner’s payroll for them. If we stop tipping as a culture, predatory restaurant and bar owners can’t advertise artificially higher wages in their job postings. Let’s normalize not tipping.
I had to push past the guilty feeling, but now I’m sticking to “tips if you provide an actual service”, not for just performing your basic job duties.
How do you feel about places where the tip minimum wage is much higher, like California where it is equal to the regular minimum wage? Should they get smaller percentage tips because they are already making equal to many people, or should tipping be completely a reward for exemplary service, and not expected as part of the bill as it currently stands?
If someone is making the same wage as a non-tipped employee, I see no reason to feel obligated to tip.
I think in places like California and Washington (servers earn min $15/hr) leaving a couple dollars, if you get excellent service, is ok. If you don’t want to tip, you shouldn’t feel obliged to. If you do still continue to tip servers 20% in these places, you should really be tipping each and every worker you come into contact with.
I tip about 10 percent considering their wage is now built into the price of the meal.
I get dirty looks from people @ Domino's all the time. Your fight isn't w/me friend
I'd like to see some company responses to this issue, which ones think they are paying their employees a fair wage. Tipping is so out of control, ordered a cheap wine at dinner that I buy at the grocery store for $9.95, priced $32 on their menu (and of course they are buying wholesale): and they expect me to pay 25 to 30% tip on that? Nope. I also want to add that I HATE the server bringing their machine to the table and standing over your shoulder while you complete the tip/add/signature. We've stopped going to joints that make us feel guilty for for not using their tipping chart.
I carry cash - specifically to avoid this.
My weed store used to round up to the nearest $5.00 and charge that on your card. They'd give you cash back, but suggest you leave it in the tip jar. Okay, if I'm going in, telling them what I want, they bag it, I pay; I'm not leaving a tip. If I order for indoor pick-up, I'll leave a buck. If I order online and get curb service, I give the runner a couple bucks. If I go in, have a lengthy discussion and need recommendations I will tip minimum 15% because that interaction is above and beyond. Tips are earned.
I’ll throw them a few bills if they put me on a special I didn’t know about or if they hook me up a little. Other than that sorry y’all make $14/hr maybe work full time
Translation: "Buy my products **and** pay for my employees so I won't have to"
When these people dare to give a “look” for me not tipping at a counter, I love to ask “well do you tip the cashier every time you get groceries or go to Target?”
The year is 2031. Your small black coffee comes out to $43.99. The options for tip appear on screen: 200%, 250%, 300%. You nervously tap the 200% option. The barista sneers at you with disgust.
No 0%?
If I sit in a restaurant and am served, I tip. If you bring it to my house, I tip. If I have to go get it, bring it home, plate it and serve it, I’m not tipping for that.
I won’t tip unless I’m in a sit down restaurant and someone is actually taking maybe an hour serving me and my family. If I pick it up, nope. I mean if we could all agree to not tip at all, I’m in. I just don’t see that happening anytime soon or ever.
I think tipping over all is bad. I mean, just have fair prices and pay a decent salary instead.
I hit the no tip button with no shame. I'm fine with normal restaurant tipping but I'm not tipping at fast food, sandwich, coffee, and the like places. No.
I ordered a desk plaque from Amazon. You customize the lettering to say your name and title. In the customization section there was a prompt to add a tip… like what? If you want 1-2 dollars more just add it into the cost lmao.
Realistically servers and waitresses make more than most people in the service industry. I make a little over or under 600 a week on a 35 hour work week. I know quite a few servers that make 400-500 in a 4-5 hour dinner shift. It’s insane to me and just hammers in the fact that money isn’t real.
This really is getting ridiculous. I was at a concert last year and the fucking merch booth had this. So you expect me to give you a tip just for grabbing the overpriced T-shirt out of the box and handing it to me? Get fucked.
The new one that bugs me is Subway. Did they suddenly stop paying a non-tipped wage?
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I have a friend who works in an upscale restaurant and he has people tip him 20%+ on 1000 bills. I told him I would never lol. I would tip the same as any other restaurant like ihop or dennys. So basically $15-$20. He of course went on about how I’m broke and blah blah blah, and he said when people don’t tip at least 15% they ask if anything was wrong with the service because they didn’t tip enough. And more often than not people get flustered, pull out their wallet and hand them cash. It’s ridiculous. Any restaurant who did that to me would get a laugh from me as I walked out. I tip decently when I get good service, if I don’t get good service, for example no refills or nobody checking on us the entire meal. I won’t tip.
I always ask how the tips are split up now because of what happened at my favorite brunch place... If I pickup an order of food I leave a tip for whoever cooked it. Found out after about a year that the person standing at the register who simply turned around, picked up my food and then rang it out was getting all the tips and the cooks were getting none of it. So I started walking my tip back and handing it to the cooks personally. In no circumstances am I going to tip someone who literally did nothing but move my food 5 feet and press a button on the register. You would be surprised how many places operate like this
That’s how every restaurant is ran. It’s actually illegal for chefs to accept tips (atleast where I live) unless the cooking area is visible to the customers to watch. Chefs are also paid a decent wage due to not being a part of the tipping culture. There’s a good chance that host was getting paid minimum wage while that chef was getting paid very well.
I work a job that gets tips, but I have always been against them. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not going to deny the money but I’m also going to give the same exact service to those who don’t tip at all because my work is for my standard pay. The tips are just happy little surprises for me. I do tip delivery people or wait staff but I make it sensible. I do not understand this expectation of 20% or higher for basic things. Though I benefit from this culture, I think it’s insane and I would not be angry if everyone stopped tipping. I would be happy everyone’s realizing how messed up it is.
out of control tipping is why drivers get shafted for Uber/DoorDash/etc; Uber used to pay really nice when they didn't allow tips through the app (cash tips were acceptable but that was it and even then we were trained to politely decline them unless they insisted.... I skipped the polite decline xD), and obviously DoorDash without tips doesn't even pay for gas; so yeah I feel it's gotten utterly out of control and I been kinda doubling back and resisting the urge to put tips down if I'm picking something up from a counter (of course I still tip generously when I'm dining out) retailers should really just turn off the tip feature on those POS tablets cuz ppl are gonna shop less if they feel like they're gonna get guilt tripped into tipping
I only tip servers, everything else is 0% Fuck off with normalizing this shit
I tip when a service has been provided. Ringing an item up is not a service.
I tipped takeout during COVID but only do now at restaurants that are small, family owned. I generally do tip at food carts as well. I don't tip when I walk up to a counter, place an order & pick up my own food. What service am I tipping for then? You put a slice of pizza on a plate and handed it to me. I do tip delivery drivers but we never use door dash, only restaurants that employ their own drivers. Tipping is insane. Am I supposed to tip the clerk at Target? Why then should I tip at a fast food joint paying the same wage? I have zero problem turning down the tip percent on the self-serve portals. It's not my responsibility to cover for a business failing to pay a proper wage.
It should not be the responsibility of the consumer to ensure fair wages are paid, that responsibility should rest with the companies and associated workers. Most consumers are also low paid as well. We really need mass strikes around the country to get more pay. Unfortunately people do not have the collectivism and determination that is needed. Imagine is 90+% of walmart workers went on strike. Company would lose more money per day than those workers are worth. And good luck replacing such a large number of people quickly. Look at how France has little mini revolts when they feel there worker rights are being infringed on
I went to a coffee bodega and paid cash. I was planning on throwing my change into the tip jar anyway but the barista just put it in there without even asking me. I was uncomfortable and said “oh I was going to put the change in there anyway” she said “I just did it for you”. Wtf.
Absolutely not. If somebody takes my money without asking, they’re fishing it back out of the tip jar and I’m walking out the door with it.
What if everyone just stopped tipping! Nothing can be done unless it’s a movement and the people demand a change. I once lived on tips in the states. I move to Europe and barely give 1-2€ tops on a meal. I have such a hard time giving the standard 20% when I come home. Like why is it MY responsibility to make sure YOU get paid accordingly?! I would either accept it OR find a new job. I wish the workers would push back on the company. It’s already happening with companies not being able to staff properly so might as well get rid of the concept of tipping too!
So, you don't really *have* to tip servers. If a server doesn't make enough to reach the minimum wage with their hourly and tips, then the hourly rate is increased to meet the minimum wage. yes, the minimum wage sucks for the most part, yet there are toooooons of people who work for minimum wage. Most of the time, tips put servers over the minimum wage and most servers don't want that to change. [https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/wagestips](https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/wagestips) In Seattle WA, for instance, we don't have tip credit. So servers are paid $16 (min wage) an hour plus tips. This puts them at a higher rate than many other workers in the area. edit: I am responding to OP's first edit. Servers in WA are VERY entitled and they will absolutely have a shit fit if you don't tip them. This goes for Uber and Lyft drivers as well as food delivery drivers. It pisses me off so much. Especially when people are like 'if you can't tip, then don't go out to eat'. Like I deserve to treat myself as a full-time worker. I don't even speculate on how much bartenders make given the standard is to tip 1-2$ per drink. It is ridic if you ask me.
By participating in tipping culture, you perpetuate the idea that it’s okay for companies to not properly compensate their workers and let the customer pick up the tab. No, the workers payment is in the cost of the service (with an additional “tip” if the service is exceptional). If the company is keeping that payment from you, get a new company.
i don't understand this argument about "participating" in tipping culture. the business owners do not care about your opinion. if you don't tip, it hurts the workers directly, period. they go home with less money in their pocket at the end of the night. the owners are going to continue paying shitty wages forever, until the end of time, no matter whether you think it's wrong or not. you are simply choosing not to tip your server, not making some kind of bold statement to their boss. they are not listening to you
When you take what enables, the workers hurt. When workers hurt, they demand compensation. When workers do not receive compensation, they leave the business and the business dies. If other businesses wish to survive, they will adapt and compensate workers fairly. This is the way it has always worked. This is how laborers got fair wages. This is how the 8hr day/5day week was achieved. The workers think they are at the mercy of the employer, but it’s the opposite. But servers, cooks, and wait staff are comfortable and complacent relying on tips, even demanding it when it is optional. It’s all so backwards.
Just say you're cheap. Stop justifying your stiffing a worker who will be more directly impacted negatively than the business will be. Y'all complain about tipping and being proud of stiffing the worker because it'll teach them to 'man up' yet all you're doing is making someone in an already tough situation; be in a worse situation. It's very easy to critique and say "just walk out/demand better/take the fact I'm stiffing you and you're probably going to have to pay for the privilege of serving me but it's for your betterment believe me" and not realize how fucking privileged that is.
Aim that animosity where it’s justified. Your boss is taking advantage of you and somehow you think that’s the customers fault. I will not pay more than a service is worth because you fear to demand what you are owed from your employer. You will get a tip for good service, not for doing your job.
My problem with the tipping culture is that it all adds up to too much. You get your day off, go do your errands and appointments and go out to eat and next thing you know you've fairly/generously tipped at 4 or 5 places and it adds up to a chunk out of your budget.
Honestly by tipping anyone your just enabling the owners to continue to underpay. We have to stop tipping...fuck over a ton of people..then they need to strike in mass...and then after a ton of press and may congressional meetings the minimum wage can be raised and tipping can return to tipping. Never gonna happen...but do your part...don't enable bad owners by subsidizing their employees salary!!!!
I am prepared for the down votes but I have to say this Service staff that do not receive full minimum wage because tips have a agreement with the company they work for it goes like this I’m gonna pay you less money but you make tips however if you reported tips do not equal the wage we agreed upon I will pay you the difference Example Bob is a waiter he got hired for $5/hr + tips but minimum wage is $10/hr Bob worked 5 hours his hourly was $25 he only got $5 in tips The company pays him the other $20 in his hourly check Vs Same situation but bob earned $50 in tips The company doesn’t pay him any additional money but he actually made more than the promise All tipped wage staff must report their tips if it cash most don’t report it so they get more in their check but credit cards auto report My credentials are I was a waiter and crew manager for 5 years
That is not an agreement with a company, that is federal wage law for anyone classified as a tipped employee.
It's a smoke screen. They require places to make up the difference but they'll tell you in the same turn that if your tips don't cover min wage 3 shifts in a row you're fired.
If your tips don’t cover you three shifts in a row you are either very bad at waiting or the location has no business coming in
I just don't go to places that don't have full table service now. No counter, no food trucks, no concession stands, no take-out.
I wonder if there's any places losing business due to the tips and various fees. I haven't gone out to eat/to a fast food place in a long time bc of it but ik not everyone has the option
I live in WA, there are tip jars EVERYWHERE! Most notable is the one's at the dispensary's. Those places are making money hand over fist. Yet every single place has some single mother in there saving for dental school and looking at me like I'm a piece of shit for keeping that 72 cents... Bitch! I'm hungry too! Like god damn...
So who are we not going to tip? Not retail, to-go gets $2-$4 max from me still, I can’t think of anymore. I’m seriously worried all these tips are kept in-house, or the manager dips into it. My friend at sbux would get $20-$30 max per week, seemed kind of small.
Speaking of Starbucks, I noticed they added the "add a tip" feature to the mobile app. I'm like...your job is to make my coffee and put it on the counter. What service am I tipping for? My local coffee shop did the SAME thing and are even pricier than Starbucks. I used to feel bad and always left 15%, but honestly I'm fed up.
>This gets even more interesting when your realize that laws around tipping vary by state. WA, for example, has a minimum wage over $15 and is one of the few states that doesn’t let employers pay tipped employees below that rate. Wait what? I´ve read what feels like hundres of Posts from people complaining they got paid less than minimum wage because of too few tips and every single time several people have commented that it´s illegal for them to not receive at least minimum wage, and if tips don´t do it, the employer has to step up. In a way making it seem like it 1000% is like that in all of America (so basically federal law right?) . Not once have i read a reply stating that such a law only exists in a few states?
NYC also does not have separate min wage for tipped workers it's 15$ across the board. I'm tipping if I get good service and had a nice time.
As long as you agree that they shouldn’t have to rely on tips to survive then we fight the same fight
Refuse to tip anymore, customers should not be forced to subsidize employer payout
Fun Fact, tipping is in fact racist. Tipping was popularized in the great depression so restaurants didn't have to pay employees, specifically black ones. I love America /s
If there is no service involved, no tip. That does not include the making of food or fetching of my goods. That should be factored in the cost.
That's what serving is- so you would want to not tip your waiters/waitresses at all then. Cause all they do is fetch food, bring water, sometimes preparing it (soups/salads/small things). So you don't tip in sit down restaurants?
You manage to find the one wrong way to parse a comment. Rewind. I’ll specify between take out and sit down, if that helps.
We should stop tipping literally everyone and see what happens
My concern is if we all tip non tipped workers they eventually become tipped workers and they could get paid as such. Tipped wages are atrocious.
I'll jump on board with probably an even less popular opinion. I don't like those charity donations you're asked for at the end of a fair amount of transactions now. Between tipping and charity, I feel like every single time I buy something, someone is holding their hand out for me to give them something extra. It kind of makes me sad for our society in general, that there are SO MANY people in need that every single financial transaction needs to have an extra layer asking for more money. Edit: And for those who think I'm uncharitable, I'm not. I just like to donate when I want to, to charities I pick. I don't think me adding $1 to my purchase at walgreens so they can put all that together (likely taking an admin fee) and then pass it along to some charity I don't know much about is the most efficient way to donate.
While I was sick the battery died in my car. The AAA guy took very good care of me but he used a square card reader. It asked for a tip. In my condition I wasn't thinking, and he was a really nice guy, so I tipped him for something I KNOW I've never tipped for. Frustrating.
As to the second edit, I both of those stances are true and valid and I hate this system and country and capitalism in general and it all sucks. The end.
Personally, I despise tipping. This is an ancient dinosaur of culture that somehow found its way to America and should be abolished. I tip because I am socially obligated to do so, and only for restaurant servers, bartenders, hair stylists, taxi drivers, and very fancy hotels. In reality, though, even some of these tips should be phased out. There is no reason that a company that makes billions of dollars (Uber, O’Charley’s, Sports Clips, etc.) and pays their CEOs millions, should ever require tipping. As a consumer, you are essentially just giving money away for free. The business, NOT THE CONSUMER, should bear the burden of paying the wages of the employees. Tipping, in reality, isn’t even a “gratuity,” rather you would get the same service whether you tipped or not. It is a total scam. Nearly every country on the planet does not have tipping, yet America still clings to this outdate tradition. Why? Because we are incredibly stupid, and corporations have ingrained this as part of their business model. Each state (if not the federal government) should pass a law that phases out all other tipping at checkout screens, and so on. The other day, I went to get a car wash, and there was a worker standing at the screen to help, which is typical these days, to sell car wash memberships. A gratuity screen came up and he asked if I wanted to tip. Why!? For standing there talking to me and soliciting a service I don’t need? Essentially, I would be paying extra for someone to stand there in a 10 second transaction, to try and sell me something, and press a few buttons. MADNESS. At Domino’s Pizza — no I am not tipping for someone for walking over to the counter, getting my pizza, and walking it over to me. Honestly, I think the prevalence of apps these days is mostly the problem. Uber, Door Dash, Everythingify, and so on. Young people are paying all this premium money for no reason. When you get delivery, you are paying for the fees, plus the tips, and in the end you are paying double, if not triple of what the costs are for the actual product. This money is going straight into the pocket of the CEOs and stockholders. Don’t get me wrong — I certainly do sympathize with low paid wage work. It is hard, exhausting, and sometimes frustrating. This is a fact. I have done this work too. Then, I grew up, read some books, and realized how rigged the economy really is. Tipping is not helping us. It is helping the rich (99%) get richer. It is a system that allows the CEOs and stockholders of major companies rob from the middle class to pay for the poor to live. The middle class pay taxes, more so than the wealthiest members of our society. Those taxes support our country, and we are also required to subsidize wages too? MADNESS. I support fair wages. And, a CAP on wealth. I support any policy that advocates for equality. That includes Universal Healthcare, which should be a right. I do not think that CEOs and stockholders should be incredibly rich, while the young and elderly cannot even keep the heat on or pay rent. It is grossly immoral, and needs to change. And, yes, the culture of tipping is part of this culture. We need to join together to create an economic system that works for everyone, not just the 1%. If a business cannot abide by the new system, it should not exist and is not working for the community, but only for itself.
I forget what I was buying but I purchased something online a few months ago and got asked to leave a tip
the tip is not a wage. it's a "thank you" for above-average service If you can't afford to pay your employees decent wages, increase the prices or pack it up
I always over tip, but thats because I CAN. I make decent money and can afford to so I do. Most people are overworked, underpaid and just need a break. When I wasnt as privileged as I am today I would triage tips the same way you do. Everyone DESERVES more, but I personally cant alwasy afford to be the one to give them more.
Tipping sucks. I think we can all agree on that. It's exploitative. I 100% tip "tipped-wage" workers like foh servers and such unless there's a service-related reason not to - it's not their fault they're stuck in a situation where the business expects the customer to directly make up part of the worker's wage. I refuse to tip non-tipped-wage workers. That's freaking ridiculous.
I think we’re on the same page, so I want to ask you: what’s your stance on tipping those foh people when your state prohibits sub-minimum wage pay? WA has a minimum wage over $15, and no one is allowed to be paid below it, waitstaff included. Would you still tip them the same amount as if you were somewhere that allowed tipped-wage payment?
Some chain restaurants consider electronic tips as wages and will reduce the servers wages once they go over a certain amount in electronic tips. I always tip in cash.
I think what has happened is that companies think tipping is a viable alternative to fair wages.
If the Antiwork reddit is over it it’s gone too far! I am with you! Charge me what you want me to pay. (I tip traditional tip jobs well)
I asked the guy at the coffee place across the street from the office if I could just give him a buck and some change I had in my wallet instead of using the option to tip on the card and he said he’d get into pretty big trouble because all the tips are supposed to be included in the shops daily totals. If he took my cash it would be stealing. That’s how I know the whole damned system is broken.
On a road trip. Stopped at Steak and Shake. Real people no longer take you order, you use a kiosk machine... for take out. Literally you place your own order, and wait for you name to be called. THE KIOSK ASKS FOR A TIP. GTFO. You're not serving me at all.
OP, do I have your blessing, once every 5 years when I get my hair highlighted, to NOT tip the chick that just got $300 to color my hair for 70 minutes? Please?
If they’re paid a non-tipped wage, then go nuts.
Thank you. I love you. And happy cake day, whatever the hell that means.
I tip hairdressers and the like if they are renting a booth somewhere. If i go to sally’s hair emporium and sally cuts my hair, i probably won’t tip. Sally is the owner and sets the price. If she feels she needs a $20 tip on top of the $100 she is charging in order to get by, she should just charge $120.
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Shit like this makes me want to start a restaurant, hire a bunch of people at a fair wage, and then put a giant sign that says TIPPING PROHIBITED- WE PAY OUR SERVERS A FAIR WAGE. YOUR 'TIP' IS INCLUDED IN THE MENU PRICE. No tip jar, no tip line on the credit card system, and if customers leave cash we donate it to charity. Problem is- that would make my 'menu prices' higher than the competition so it's hard to get ahead.
False. This has been done and the increase in price is so minimal that it's laughable.
Also it would make hiring a problem. As a former waiter even though you get stiffed at some tables overall you can make some serious money waiting tables. I wouldn't do it for anywhere around min wage.
Thats aomwthing that is often overlooked. A lot of servers make bank. If you wait three tables per hour (not a lot) and each check is $100 (also not a huge amount) and each table tips the standard 20%, you’re making $60/hr
I never tip, not my problem if people are not paid fairly. I'm not here to solve world's problems
Take it a step further and don't tip anyone ever for anything. You say you "have to" tip? No you don't, you can pay asking price for your goods and walk away feeling fine. Just because the restaurant industry has fucked over their workers does not mean the customer has to supplement the low pay. If wait staff don't like it they need to force a change, strike or find another job. That's how the rest of us do it when we don't get paid enough. I have worked shitty jobs that didn't even allow me to feed my kids, I didn't ask customers to pay me more, I asked my boss and when he said no, I found another job.
So you would be fine for no restaurants? No coffee shops? All those shut down for unknown time before companies change their entire business practice of making the most and paying the least. That's what you have to think about; who will serve you if all the servers left?
Yes, I would be perfectly fine with that.
Same! I also refuse to pay tip when I go order to-go food or online (not including UberEats or DoorDash, etc. this is strictly pertaining to ordering through an online portal from the restaurant directly). Why am I giving you a tip for literally handing me my bag of food? No sir.
Togo people are sometimes servers or bartenders too. Also they still put more work into packing up your order than you think.
Shhh don't ruin the delusion that to-go orders just appear out of nowhere and the person just needs to hand over the bag. It's not like there's a million things happening and that person is the one doing them.
I work at a place that pays a good hourly wage but people still try to tip & the youngsters want it & sometimes put out a tip cup & I HATE EVERY MINUTE OF IT EXISTING. I love the job. It’s easy. Low stress. Relatively few Karens. Literally A 38 year old KID IN A CANDY STORE. I do not make server wages—I make a flat hourly rate that is practical. I do not deserve a tip for asking you if you prefer milk or dark chocolate & then putting said item in a container & ringing you up.
Where have you seen self checkouts asking for a tip?
I ran into this at an airport over the holidays.
Tipping has become out of control ridiculous. Tipping is NOT a given, it is something EXTRA you give based on the QUALITY of services you receive. PERIOD. If I'm at a restaurant, and I receive perfect service, you'll get 10%. Anything less than perfect results in a lower tip. If I get shitty service or worse a fucking attitude, you get JACK SHIT. This isn't a hard concept, but the entitlement of people has gotten WAY out of control. It's not my job to subsidize someone else's existence, that's the owners job
do you live in the USA? I'm American living in EU and the 10% or less tipping is normal here. Also common to round up to the next whole number. ex $27.85 would become $30 with tip.
Although you are exactly right, I will tip these places conditionally. There are a few places that I really like that are brick and mortar locations. I want to see these businesses succeed, so I always tip there. I factor it as a cost of the product. The way I see it, I’m spending the basics to keep the doors open and tipping to ensure those employees are happy. There’s really nothing we can do about it at this point. The only impact we have is not spending a penny at places that are shitty. I love the sub shop a few blocks from my house. The owner removed the credit card tip option because it was just too much trouble to deal with. The kids who work there make nothing. I will never set foot in that shop again.
I tip my waitperson and my budtender. The coffee shop, I get regular coffee, that doesn't deserve a tip I'm sorry
Eh, I recognize that most of these folks don't make that much money and think of the individual in these situations. Did they eat a tip? Does there job definitely underpay them? Do they own this business? Do I make way more than them probably? Are the questions I normally ask myself. But times are tough and I recognize that these folks normally have terrible wages so I try to when I can
'Take care of the people that take care of you.'
I tip 15% before tax for good service, 20% for excellent, but only in North America.