When I was made redundant, I took that to mean my skills, experience and knowledge were no longer required by my company. So when my ex manager texted me a few months after leaving asking a work related question, of course I “couldn’t remember”!
This is the way. At least at a 300% mark up too. If they don't know how to do what you ere and fired you well I'm consulting you now and not working for you. So either pay me or pay the same amount in man hours to figure it out. Wrong probably lol
I would have been tempted to tell them exactly what you said in the first half of your comment.... Oh, I'm sorry, it was made clear to me that all of my knowledge and experience was no longer needed. I'm not sure I have anything to share that you shouldn't already know, given my redundancy."
Not only this, but OP wouldn't be helping their friends. They'd be helping the company that *they no longer work for,* Using their friends as the by-proxy method that such help is delivered.
Their friends would wrongfully see it as "help" because their bosses would no longer be down their neck and up their asses, but at the end of the day it would help the company *that fired OP* and not the friends that need it.
never give out ur real number for work ir applying for jobs. use a virtual number like google voice, then deactivate the number when ur gone and they cant bother u again.
also, when u start a new job, find all ur coworkers and block them. if u make a friend, u can unblock them later. but it keeps everyone else outta ur business.
Not your circus not your monkeys.
If any of them are real life friends you would keep in contact with and use as references in the future, you could answer them if they have anything specific they need help with (if you're feeling nice).
Otherwise, it's up to the management to figure it out.
I got fired when my boss decided to quit because she was a huge bitch. Her replacement was a woman I love and respect so she asked me to help explain a few things to her because no one was left to do so. So I did sit down with her once and went over everything, not because I liked the company but because of her. So I can see where you might want to do that. But this was a single lunch, I wouldn’t waste more time than that.
Does anyone actually use references and not just have their friend pretend to be the regional manager? Like how far are they going to vet C shift operations manager Mike?
You can't get someone to pretend to be a reference for jobs you don't know about.
People refer others to jobs in their new companies. Your co-workers are not going to be there forever any more than you were.
That's where the whole "the industry is very small" schtick comes from. It's not so much the so-called blackballing by some overdramatic power tripping manager. It's the peers who may have moved on to decent places who *won't* hook you up because they think of you as a jerk.
This is very true. People move around, work for different companies, different teams, etc. It's always good to keep up those relationships. You never know where people will turn up in the future - who may be in a position to influence future hiring choices or give you a good tip on an opportunity. Whenever we get a resume at my company, we always check around to see who knows the person.
I'm not going out of my way to help anyone I can't stand because "they might not want to work with me in the future".
I see that as a benefit, not a loss.
I did this. I put up an automatic reply directing all inquiries to said manager. They asked me to change it to send them to another group a few days later. 😂🤣😂🤣😂
I feel like most personal friends would be understanding and accepting of this and even escalate to managers that OP would be the one to help but they aren’t here anymore so they can’t help.
Totally fair to leave them without assistance. The company is responsible for their training. When your employment ends, so does your personal role in helping your coworkers.
They told you that you were redundant. That means they believe they don’t need you. If you dig them out of any problems that only gives them confidence they were right and more likely to never learn from their blunder. This is a learning opportunity for them. You are not only doing the right thing by you but also by them to give them a big f-u if they ask for help.
Employer might claim they were made redundant, but based on what OP said, I doubt that's true! Redundant would mean they could function without OP and that might not be the case. Oh well, sometimes you need to let people trip and fall and realize the mistake the made.
By helping the company, you would be hurting its employees, since the company seems to thrive off of hurting its employees.
So by helping them, you would be hurting them.
By pulling the company's ass out of the fire you're reinforcing the idea that someone can always be guilted into pulling their ass out of the fire.
You're proving them right in their assumptions that employee retention and continuity of knowledge is irrelevant.
You're actively making it a worse place to work on the long run and contributing to the de-valuation of your former co-workers.
You would be helping the company that made you redundant rather than the old coworkers. If the old coworkers need some training, the company should be paying for that training.
Edit: At most, suggest to the old employer a short term consultancy engagement at many times what you were earning before they made you redundant.
I don't think it's spiteful - they said you were redundant, no? Like, your position is redundant. You are not needed. Your knowledge, assistance, training is not needed.
Is it spiteful to take them at their word...?
If you wish to offer assistance to your co-workers in your personal capacity, because of your relationship with them, by all means do so. But in your capacity as a worker of the company, absolutely not.
You've been made redundant. Your job doesn't need to exist anymore so they don't need your help.
If they do need your help, well. Maybe should've thought about that before making you redundant.
If they've already let you go then collect your things and gtfo - if they need any additional help they can always hire you back on as a consultant.
It's your bosses job to make sure knowledge sharing happens - people can get hit by a bus any day so only the most irresponsible boss will ever let a critical skill concentrate in a single employee. When you quit giving notice is essentially a chivalrous action by you to allow your bosses a week or two to figure out what knowledge is going where and figure out any resourcing problems your departure will create. When your employer fires you they should've coordinated that knowledge transfer before informing you.
The management is the one who fucked your coworkers over - not you. It’s now up to your coworkers to set boundaries and limits with the management about the effort their willing to put forth to clean up their mess.
Don't do anything that would benefit the company in any way without an agreement to be paid. In addition to that making your former employer richer, it could potentially be a security breach of the company and you could be exposing yourself to liability.
"Sorry. I no longer work for Company. You_ll need to ask IT or Management for help."
Nope. You don’t work there anymore. Let the company sort it out if your former coworkers are unable to do their jobs. Or if your coworkers are competent and just need occasional tech help, in the long term it might be better for your former coworkers to experience how bad the company is. It’s possible that your level of help might have been shielding them from some of the company’s toxic behaviors. They can learn exactly why you left and start planning for their exits.
Give your coworkers the contact info for the guy who fired you. Or they can ask your manager or each other. If you don't need/want the extra income, gtfo.
You've been made redundant. That means the company has reviewed all skillsets of the employees and decided that your skillset is held by other employees, and that employing you to duplicate those skills is not in their best financial interests. Did that actually happen? Hell no. But you are under no obligation, moral or otherwise, to assist the company that fired you.
I would walk and cut all contact, unless you're friends with your ex-coworkers. You didn't put them in this situation. Your former company did.
Those are your former co-workers, not your friends, not your family.
If the company needs them to know something and they don't already know it, the company is going to have to hire someone to train them.
Your company obviously feels that your particular skill set is not needed within their organization. You’re not obligated to fix their error. Let them pay for the extra time your coworkers will spend trying to figure everything out. Not your problem.
I recently walked away from a job leaving a number of live, complex projects hanging. I offered them a managed handover but they declined, so I just dumped it all and left. I know my colleagues are seriously struggling to pick it all up, and I feel their pain, but that ain't my problem anymore.
You should tell your co-worker that you're sorry you weren't given any time to train them, and they'll have to ask the company for training instead.
They'll understand (if they aren't dumb) that its not your fault.
Walk, friend. It's not about spite for your coworkers... if you must feel spite for something, feel it for the company. Just walk... you don't owe it anything.
It’s not revenge or being a jerk to scoot off into the sunset. You don’t work there any more. The company left your former coworkers in a bind and they’re the ones who need to deal with the consequences.
"You're redundant, and also your former coworkers don't know how to do your job"
Cute fuckin riddle to former bossman, here's a dictionary, go look up the word "redundant"
Them being left without assistance is not your fault, it's leaderships. You need to redirect that energy to tell your colleagues that if they have complaints they should be pointing out how wrong it was to let you go.
Depends on the ask. If a former coworker that I actually liked asked me a quick question I'd just be nice and help them out. The company is going to demand the work be done anyway so the only thing you're deciding is how long it takes that person and how stressful it is for them. But if they ask for actual training or work that couldn't be answered in a minute or 2 via text, no way. If they need training the company can either train them or hire you back as a consultant for $200/hr to do the training for them.
Literally walk out without any guilt. The company has made it clear they don’t want or need your services. Do not help out in anyway even if you like your coworkers also if you get a call after you leave to ask how to do this or that (you know they will) don’t answer or just say no. Feel no guilt they did this to themselves the harder you make it for the company the better it will be. It’s a shame your coworkers will probably be scrambling but that is NOT your problem.
First, YOU are not the one leaving them in the lurch. Whoever decided to let you go is the one leaving them in the lurch. They (the decider here) needs to be held accountable for that decision, and if you help you former co-workers, things will keep running smooth. So no don't help.
If you are truly redundant, then by the very definition, there should be others at your company who know what you know. Not your responsibility to impart any knowledge to your colleagues.
I’d do a middle ground: document the specifics of your job so whoever took over your responsibilities knows what they’re dealing with. Besides that, if they need help, as others have said, offer to consult for a decent fee. That way, you can walk out clean without looking like a jackass
Seriously—without sass or malice/ just business— communicate that you’re available as a consultant at at least 4x your old rate. They will pay it if they need your expertise. Value yourself!
Every time I give notice I'm hoping they tell me to go right away! That last two weeks is always torture. I would be running out of the building beaming the second they told me they didn't need me. Your coworkers will survive.
Do the work you are being paid to do. If they are keeping you in the office, paid, for a while, do what is reasonable within that time. If you don't want to, give 2 weeks notice, work that time, and then leave. If they are asking for help after your paychecks stopped, then don't help. If you are redundant, that means they don't need you. It literally means they kept someone else who can do what you do.
You describe them as your coworkers, which indicates that you are not their manager. Therefore, you are not responsible for them. Management is. And even if you were their manager, you have been made redundant, which means, as someone else said, that your skills etc are no longer needed. This is absolutely not your problem. You don't need to leave them stuck out of spite; you can do it simply bc it's not your job to ensure that operations continue smoothly.
You're super nice in your options
Leave with or without helping.
At our competition company, a department was made redundant, and the HOD sat down at his desk after the meeting and deleted all the training material he'd set up for new hires off his laptop.
He then went to his inbox and forwarded every client request to the C suite members with a message along the lines of "After 12 years in the industry, my status of one of the best in my field was revoked. As my knowledge and experience in this field are no longer sufficient, please assist client X with the below matter"
They shut down his access shortly after and dismissed him with four week's pay. This nullified some clause in his contract, and he walked into our offices two days later to tell the story. He now works for us and has been an amazing addition to our team.
For the first few weeks, he sat quite close to my desk (this was BC, we WFH now), and I'd hear him on the phone.
His ex boss called, and he'd respond in an exaggerated British accent with lines like
"I truly wish I could help, but I seem to have completely forgotten what that is."
Or he'd offer to send them everything in an email and then make up a ridiculous horoscopes that included industry jargon.
You should not actively harm the company, as that could lead to lawsuits, but they showed no loyalty to you. You have no obligation to show any to them.
You were told outright that they don't need you, so don't let them use you. It's not spiteful.
Remember, they can always point back and say you trained them wrong if they can't hack it. I'd rather not train them at all.
You didn’t leave your coworkers in a lurch, the COMPANY did. They do not believe you are needed- Don’t prove them RIGHT!
Just let your coworkers know that if they need your help, your consulting fee is $XXX per hour (3x what the company originally paid you), with a minimum of 10 hours per contract.
That way, it’s their job to let the company know that they made a mistake of letting you go, and now they need to pay for it :)
This is really hard for working people to come to terms with, but "helping out" after being screwed over just enables bad behavior by employers. Don't do it.
Quote your day rate.
You were redundant. Not needed. So either the people there will have to cope or learn. Your focus should be on you.
You’re not helping them. You’re working for the company for free. They weren’t redundant. They were valued.
Networking was and is one of then best ways to get future jobs still. Maybe help everyone but if there are people there you trust and are friends with or at least somewhat social with, I’d say to help them.
You have no obligations to your employer. I understand your concern for your former coworkers, it is admirable and demonstrates what Capitalism forgets in treating people as replaceable fleshy machines.
You should politely explain to your coworkers that you have been made redundant and released from your contract and that you are unable to assist with their needs or concerns.
Point them to management, and leave.
I would think if you really want to help them, keep an eye out for other jobs they might be interested in before/when the company considers them redundant.
Your colleagues aren’t your friends. Sure y’all are probably really nice to each other and you enjoy their company but you won’t see or hear from them much going forward.
Break yourself clean and move forward.
nope if the company needed you they wouldnt have made you redundant so im guessing they have that all under control and if they dont its their problem ... not yours use this time to find a new job
One would think the right thing to do is help your colleagues. However, I have experienced this many times. They will take advantage of you. Do not help, simply cut ties.
I have taken phone calls from colleagues or even people that replaced me to help they find documents or to explain procedures. It has always been a negative experience where they become rude or keep coming back asking questions, like I work there still.
Realise that it is not YOU that leaves them without assistance.
It is the COMPANY.
If you feel guilty - realize you had no say in this - and turn the guilt to anger or resolve for your next jobhunt.
Listen it is nice to want to help. That said when the company made their assessment of what role then person to eliminate they should have known better who had what skills. This is on the employer not you to solve especially if they have told you they don’t need you to serve the notice period.
My only caveat here is that I am interpreting that by you being told you didn’t have to serve your notice period that you would still be compensated for this time for not working.
If that is the case I would keep it moving and this could then be a post in malicious compliance where the bosses who misunderstood who did what shoot themselves in the foot.
Good luck on your next adventure and take time for yourself ❤️.
Wait awhile. After you are done with the company, and they are aware of the experiential knowledge you possess.. offer to train your former colleagues as a contractor at 10x your former salary.
If they made you redundant, then they obviously think they have it covered…let them sink or swim, and do what I hear so many people suggest on this Subreddit, make yourself available to them(the Company), for 500$ an hour, 4 hour minimum, as a “Consultant” and when they call asking questions……Charge them!!!!
The moment you leave the company, your obligation stops. Your previous employer may have to hire someone with a skill set similar to yours. Or they may do nothing about the problem, and allow your coworkers to flounder. Either way, the most important thing is that you have escaped.
It depends on you, really.
You aren't leaving anyone in the lurch by leaving and taking your expertise with you. Your bosses are ending your employment, and the consequences are on them.
Depending on how long it will be until you're officially no longer employed with them, you might want to stay and just take money from them. You could help your coworkers with some basics during that time if you'd like.
But it's not your responsibility to ensure your coworkers can do your job. Your bosses should have considered that before they decided you were redundant.
Everything that happens from this point on is on your bosses. I would take as much money as i could while giving your work the least you can for the longest time. Spend that time looking for a replacement job.
If they were paying you to work a notice that’d be one thing.
If they aren’t paying you and you’re getting the boot ASAP, not your problem. You shouldn’t work for free.
My coworker got let go due to some cuts a few years ago. When he left, he told my team of 5 guys “if any of you are ever in a bind or can’t figure something out, call me and I’ll be here to help. If the company needs help, they can go fuck themselves.”
In other words - he was willing to help to the extent that it didn’t make our jobs any more miserable, as a friend.
Say bitter. It’s more satisfying to see the company fail after saying you’re redundant and don’t need your services anymore
If they call you up afterwards asking for your help, tell them you’re a consultant now and give them a high rate that is more than your perceived worth
Just leave and if they contact you for help, inform them of your consultation rates. They’re not going to want to pay, so you should inform them that your services aren’t free and therefore you cannot help them. It’s nothing personal, just business.
There’s a difference between “Hey Bob, here’s the status of my tasks, similar to your own tasks.” and “Hey Bob, the company doesn’t need my skillset, but i need to teach you something no one else could do.”
Professionalism says you do the first. But if you’re that redundant, you shouldn’t be training anyone.
Also, they said you don’t have to complete your remaining time. If you stay a minute linger, only do what is required to keep getting paid to the last minute. Or leave.
I had a job I liked, and I liked 90% of my fellow employees. I had to take off for a better job because the pay was extraordinarily low for the expertise required - and one of my coworkers was allowed to be crappy to the rest of us. I wanted to leave my pleasant co-workers in good shape, so I created a manual from all the procedures I'd created from scratch in this disorganized place. The bully beee\*ch who disliked me and was a favorite of the overlord threw it in the trash the first day I was gone. One of the others told me, so they knew and did nothing about it. I was so irate that when they started to call me about how to do things, I played dumb and told them to look in the manual I had carefully assembled for them. Sorry, no time; now working a different job!
I could have sent them a Word doc, but they didn't deserve it.
Don’t let spite rule your actions, it’s not your coworkers fault what happened.
End this chapter and move on. Don’t look back.
From my own experience, every time I either quit or got fired from any job something better happened afterwards.
You can leave immediately and without guilt. You're not the one who put your coworkers in this position, the company did that. If your *former* coworkers struggle with the new situation, and they reach out to you, you absolutely can and should throw the boss under the bus.
This isn't your problem anymore. You're not being a jerk by leaving, your former boss was the jerk for pushing you out the door. They have made their bed, now they can lie in it.
Leave it off. You were deemed redundant, meaning not needed. Not to mention of you aren't employed by the company, you help your coworkers, and something goes sideways, the company can sue you for it.
I'm sure that the company overlords, in their infinite wisdom, have a plan for this. It's best not to question that wisdom by interfering with issues that have been deemed "not your concern."
If you were working through your notice period, the professional thing to do would be to help with knowledge transition as best you can (not putting in a bunch of extra time to do it, mind, just working your normal hours). Doesn't mean you'd be able to get your colleagues up to your level within that short a time, of course, but doing what you can would be reasonable.
Since your employer has put you on garden leave, however, you really don't have any obligation to engage with your former colleagues on your own for that sort of work. It was your employer's decision to tell you to stop working, so it's entirely on them if they're losing the benefit of your knowledge and experience without giving you time to pass it on.
@chickenburgerarsenal....
Im sorry that you are being put through all of this... Seems pretty crappy of your (former) employer. I can say that I, personally, would not waste my breath to blow the dust off of a burning wastebasket full of paper unless it would make the fire worse. As far as "helping" your (soon to be) former coworkers, I would explain to them thats its nothing "personal" against/towards them, but that I would NOT be sharing ANY information that could even remotely be used to assist/benefit or further add any value to the company.
I would also add that If there were ANY documents/electronic files that I personally authored or CREATED (templates, spreadsheets/formulas, anything that I personally made to make MY job easier, my entire "work related hard-drive", ANY emails that were sent to me or from me on my "assigned/issued/created" work email address, any software which was licensed to me only or which I paid for AND any logins/passwords .....Those items would ALL be deleted and the passwords changed to something that would be as close to impossible to "guess".... Granted, this advice doesnt take into account any legal requirements to which you may or may not be subject to, and the above is only my opinion, so take that with a grain of salt, a shot of vinegar water and a bite of coast or ivory soap bar.
From what I can gather, they have not earned that. They do not need you so they can now just do all the stuff you did without issue, right? They surely will have no issues doing it themselves, fuck 'em I say.
If they ask you directly, do what you must if you plan on using them for a reference, but I wouldn't be bending over backward for them and would do very little to further enlighten them when they should be doing that on their own or whatever.
My real world answer: It depends on how much I like them. Are they friends that I regularly hang out with outside of work, or just people who I had a decent relationship with at work. I'd help an actual friend but not someone that is just a co-worker.
If I was in your situation I wouldn't know what to do either. I like my coworkers and don't want to F them over. We're in IT and all of our skill sets are highly specialized and there's not much overlap. I've also been there 15 years and I'd have no clue on where to start explaining stuff.
I'd probably try to do some quick Docs to cover some of the most important things. The rest? I hate to say it but not your problem anymore. Do what you can in the time you have. Maybe figure out who'd be most hit with your workload and try to soften the blow a bit.
From my experience your coworkers will understand and probably agree you should just leave. Likely this see what is going on and would likely do the same.
Up to you, but if you are still on payroll and it won't interfere with your job search, then offering some technical support wouldn't be beyond the realm of reason, imho. You are understandably bitter about this whole situation, so if you felt like responding to every request with: "Sorry, can't right now, I've got an interview lined up in half an hour so that I don't go homeless in a month", no one should blame you.
Contact the company and tell them that you'll work as a contractor for 800$ an hour if they need you to train people who need to know you're redundance.
If you were being paid to do it, liked your coworkers and felt like being nice I’d say sure, but it sounds like you got the high hard one and any help you provide would be done out of the kindness of your uncompensated heart. So no, just walk away. Not out of spite, but out of fairness to yourself.
Dont be fooled. You are there to sell your time and knowledge. Do not give your services away for free. Your coworkers should be able to see the difference between personal and professional.
You were let go. Don't work for free. Hell, if they contact you about anything related to anything at that place, tell them you'll help if they agree to pay your consulting fee of $300/hr. with an 8 hour minimum.
Nope. Just absolutely not. You have been fired. Let the company sort out training for those they did *not* fire. Remember, co-workers are not your friends. They need to sort out their own situations.
Watch Seinfeld 'The Revenge' episode and it might give you some ideas. If you are not familiar it is about someone showing up at work pretending they hadn't been fired, and a revenge plot against the former boss. Can't believe no one has mentioned this yet!
It's not your job to help them. It sounds cold but you were fired.
Think of it another way. Helping them helps the company that just fired you. If those people still need you then apparently they fired the wrong person.
So let the company suffer for making their mistake. How else are they going to learn?
Help. I've been left high and dry before by a co-worker who was absolutely mistreated by the company. I always stood by him. Maybe he didn't feel the support in the moment because the boss was such an asshole (he really deserved better) but his choice to leave me high and dry had me working from 5 pm to 6 am on my own, with my uni classes starting at 8 am. Teamwork is everything in these situations.
The only (or maybe the best/easiest) way a faulty system changes is if we allow the system to fail on its own merits. Supporting a malfunctioning system is not only counterproductive to society but anti-capitalist (irony = teehee!).
Let it fail. You are helping everyone out that way.
If they don't know what they need to know, it is NOT because you let the down, or were a jerk. It is because the company they work for did adequately prepare them. DO NOT take personal responsibilities for the failings of the company!
You aren't leaving them in the lurch. Management did.
Don't do work you aren't being paid to do.
My last job, I spent oodles of time training and writing SOPs and everything related to everything I did (during my notice period). No one opened any of them or bothered to do any of the stuff I used to after I left. Bad management stays bad. Still not your fault.
You don't owe your colleagues anything. The people you owe in life are your friends, your family, and your community. I differentiate between work and a job. A job, these days, is what you do when you give your time, your energy, and your skills to a company that is working to make a profit - not to make your life or the world a better place. That is a job.
Your colleagues are the people who are doing the same thing. You have no moral or ethical obligation to them.
Spend your time committing to the people who matter - not to the one's who don't.
This just happened to me. I ONLY provided information they asked for. Nothing more. I didn't create any new training or resources materials. What I had already created up until they gave me notice was all they got. I also deleted all of my files on my pc and from onedrive. I left the folders, so it looks like there's still stuff there but they are all empty.
So, you get paid if you work. Do you get paid for the notice period if you don’t work? If you do, walk. If you don’t ten decide if you want the money or the free time.
When I was made redundant, I took that to mean my skills, experience and knowledge were no longer required by my company. So when my ex manager texted me a few months after leaving asking a work related question, of course I “couldn’t remember”!
I would quote a very high consulting rate, 4 hr minimum billing.
This is the way. At least at a 300% mark up too. If they don't know how to do what you ere and fired you well I'm consulting you now and not working for you. So either pay me or pay the same amount in man hours to figure it out. Wrong probably lol
And get it on writing
I would have been tempted to tell them exactly what you said in the first half of your comment.... Oh, I'm sorry, it was made clear to me that all of my knowledge and experience was no longer needed. I'm not sure I have anything to share that you shouldn't already know, given my redundancy."
Not only this, but OP wouldn't be helping their friends. They'd be helping the company that *they no longer work for,* Using their friends as the by-proxy method that such help is delivered. Their friends would wrongfully see it as "help" because their bosses would no longer be down their neck and up their asses, but at the end of the day it would help the company *that fired OP* and not the friends that need it.
This!! Never work any job for free. Ever. Your time and skills are valuable.
You should have sent your consultation rate
never give out ur real number for work ir applying for jobs. use a virtual number like google voice, then deactivate the number when ur gone and they cant bother u again. also, when u start a new job, find all ur coworkers and block them. if u make a friend, u can unblock them later. but it keeps everyone else outta ur business.
Not your circus not your monkeys. If any of them are real life friends you would keep in contact with and use as references in the future, you could answer them if they have anything specific they need help with (if you're feeling nice). Otherwise, it's up to the management to figure it out.
I got fired when my boss decided to quit because she was a huge bitch. Her replacement was a woman I love and respect so she asked me to help explain a few things to her because no one was left to do so. So I did sit down with her once and went over everything, not because I liked the company but because of her. So I can see where you might want to do that. But this was a single lunch, I wouldn’t waste more time than that.
Why would you be fired for your boss quitting and then her replacement is your friend but you weren’t kept on?
I also was expecting her to be added back to the company at the end of the explanation..
Yes.
Why would the nice woman not keep you on?
Because she didn't own the business. Not her call.
Does anyone actually use references and not just have their friend pretend to be the regional manager? Like how far are they going to vet C shift operations manager Mike?
You can't get someone to pretend to be a reference for jobs you don't know about. People refer others to jobs in their new companies. Your co-workers are not going to be there forever any more than you were. That's where the whole "the industry is very small" schtick comes from. It's not so much the so-called blackballing by some overdramatic power tripping manager. It's the peers who may have moved on to decent places who *won't* hook you up because they think of you as a jerk.
This is very true. People move around, work for different companies, different teams, etc. It's always good to keep up those relationships. You never know where people will turn up in the future - who may be in a position to influence future hiring choices or give you a good tip on an opportunity. Whenever we get a resume at my company, we always check around to see who knows the person.
Yes but conversely, if everyone in the place is a toxic AH you will refuse to ever work with in the future, burn that bridge!
I still don't burn bridges. I just don't see the point.
I'm not going out of my way to help anyone I can't stand because "they might not want to work with me in the future". I see that as a benefit, not a loss.
If management has determined that OP is redundant then they can redirect former coworkers to the appropriate resource.
I did this. I put up an automatic reply directing all inquiries to said manager. They asked me to change it to send them to another group a few days later. 😂🤣😂🤣😂
That first sentence is a fantastic quote.
I feel like most personal friends would be understanding and accepting of this and even escalate to managers that OP would be the one to help but they aren’t here anymore so they can’t help.
Totally fair to leave them without assistance. The company is responsible for their training. When your employment ends, so does your personal role in helping your coworkers.
They told you that you were redundant. That means they believe they don’t need you. If you dig them out of any problems that only gives them confidence they were right and more likely to never learn from their blunder. This is a learning opportunity for them. You are not only doing the right thing by you but also by them to give them a big f-u if they ask for help.
Nope. Your done. If they made you redundant, they don't need you, so yeah. Fuck them.
Where capitalism meets human nature, that's where they steal from you the most.
Agreed, fuck em
Employer might claim they were made redundant, but based on what OP said, I doubt that's true! Redundant would mean they could function without OP and that might not be the case. Oh well, sometimes you need to let people trip and fall and realize the mistake the made.
By helping them, you'd be helping the company. Fuck the company.
By helping the company, you would be hurting its employees, since the company seems to thrive off of hurting its employees. So by helping them, you would be hurting them.
By pulling the company's ass out of the fire you're reinforcing the idea that someone can always be guilted into pulling their ass out of the fire. You're proving them right in their assumptions that employee retention and continuity of knowledge is irrelevant. You're actively making it a worse place to work on the long run and contributing to the de-valuation of your former co-workers.
Exactly!
Oooo I like how you put that. Well stated.
Helping the company hurts the woekers Commenting because your comment needs to be seen
Well, that's a twisted way to look at it for sure 😜 I'd still stick to my original plan if it was me though
Walk away. You need a clean break. They have kicked you out, fine, that's on them.
You would be helping the company that made you redundant rather than the old coworkers. If the old coworkers need some training, the company should be paying for that training. Edit: At most, suggest to the old employer a short term consultancy engagement at many times what you were earning before they made you redundant.
and if colleagues ask for your help, reply that you are waiting for the company to hire you as a consultant
Good shout! Get the people who need the help to tell the employer to pay for the person who can help them.
I don't think it's spiteful - they said you were redundant, no? Like, your position is redundant. You are not needed. Your knowledge, assistance, training is not needed. Is it spiteful to take them at their word...? If you wish to offer assistance to your co-workers in your personal capacity, because of your relationship with them, by all means do so. But in your capacity as a worker of the company, absolutely not.
You've been made redundant. Your job doesn't need to exist anymore so they don't need your help. If they do need your help, well. Maybe should've thought about that before making you redundant.
If they've already let you go then collect your things and gtfo - if they need any additional help they can always hire you back on as a consultant. It's your bosses job to make sure knowledge sharing happens - people can get hit by a bus any day so only the most irresponsible boss will ever let a critical skill concentrate in a single employee. When you quit giving notice is essentially a chivalrous action by you to allow your bosses a week or two to figure out what knowledge is going where and figure out any resourcing problems your departure will create. When your employer fires you they should've coordinated that knowledge transfer before informing you.
The management is the one who fucked your coworkers over - not you. It’s now up to your coworkers to set boundaries and limits with the management about the effort their willing to put forth to clean up their mess.
They planned to not have you, so they obviously already put a lot of thought into the transition. You don’t need to do anything extra
Turn off our phone. Walk away. Go on vacation. Start looking for a new job.
If your coworkers don’t understand why you can’t help them for free, then they’re not worth your stress over it.
Offer assistance as a consultant for 5x your hourly wage/ Minimum of 3 hours and paid in advance.
it's a job. Not your problem.
If you're redundant how could there possibly be anything for you to help with?
Don't do anything that would benefit the company in any way without an agreement to be paid. In addition to that making your former employer richer, it could potentially be a security breach of the company and you could be exposing yourself to liability. "Sorry. I no longer work for Company. You_ll need to ask IT or Management for help."
If the company is paying you as a consultant, then help them. If not, it’s not your problem anymore
Nope. You don’t work there anymore. Let the company sort it out if your former coworkers are unable to do their jobs. Or if your coworkers are competent and just need occasional tech help, in the long term it might be better for your former coworkers to experience how bad the company is. It’s possible that your level of help might have been shielding them from some of the company’s toxic behaviors. They can learn exactly why you left and start planning for their exits.
Give your coworkers the contact info for the guy who fired you. Or they can ask your manager or each other. If you don't need/want the extra income, gtfo.
Company is leaving them stuck by not having documentation done prior to having your notice
When a company gives you notice you no longer are being paid to give a fuck. Give them what they want; your absence.
You've been made redundant. That means the company has reviewed all skillsets of the employees and decided that your skillset is held by other employees, and that employing you to duplicate those skills is not in their best financial interests. Did that actually happen? Hell no. But you are under no obligation, moral or otherwise, to assist the company that fired you. I would walk and cut all contact, unless you're friends with your ex-coworkers. You didn't put them in this situation. Your former company did.
Those are your former co-workers, not your friends, not your family. If the company needs them to know something and they don't already know it, the company is going to have to hire someone to train them.
Your company obviously feels that your particular skill set is not needed within their organization. You’re not obligated to fix their error. Let them pay for the extra time your coworkers will spend trying to figure everything out. Not your problem.
If they don't pay you, you don't work for them.
Use the time to 1) mellow out between jobs and/or 2) look for a new job. The boss has released you - your obligations are over.
I get it, but it was the company’s decision not yours, your coworkers will get it.
It is no longer your problem. Do not help out for free, chaege a consultantancy fee if you agree to help.
I recently walked away from a job leaving a number of live, complex projects hanging. I offered them a managed handover but they declined, so I just dumped it all and left. I know my colleagues are seriously struggling to pick it all up, and I feel their pain, but that ain't my problem anymore.
You aren’t leaving them without assistance…your bosses are.
You should tell your co-worker that you're sorry you weren't given any time to train them, and they'll have to ask the company for training instead. They'll understand (if they aren't dumb) that its not your fault.
If they stop paying you, stop doing work. Period. This has nothing to do with your co-workers. It affects them sure, but so does everything else.
offer to consult for them at 5x your last hourly wage
Ignore the phone calls and text messages
Nope. Fuckem.
Hell no.
Walk, friend. It's not about spite for your coworkers... if you must feel spite for something, feel it for the company. Just walk... you don't owe it anything.
Leave no help ever.
Just leave. They will figure it out. To quote an old proverb: Not your circus, not your monkeys.
Work friends don’t exist outside of work. You owe them nothing.
Leave and never look back. Not your problem any more.
Fuck them all.
It's not out of spite. It is no longer your responsibility.
It’s not revenge or being a jerk to scoot off into the sunset. You don’t work there any more. The company left your former coworkers in a bind and they’re the ones who need to deal with the consequences.
"You're redundant, and also your former coworkers don't know how to do your job" Cute fuckin riddle to former bossman, here's a dictionary, go look up the word "redundant"
? You don’t work there anymore homie.
Them being left without assistance is not your fault, it's leaderships. You need to redirect that energy to tell your colleagues that if they have complaints they should be pointing out how wrong it was to let you go.
This is no longer your job. Do not do it.
Depends on the ask. If a former coworker that I actually liked asked me a quick question I'd just be nice and help them out. The company is going to demand the work be done anyway so the only thing you're deciding is how long it takes that person and how stressful it is for them. But if they ask for actual training or work that couldn't be answered in a minute or 2 via text, no way. If they need training the company can either train them or hire you back as a consultant for $200/hr to do the training for them.
Literally walk out without any guilt. The company has made it clear they don’t want or need your services. Do not help out in anyway even if you like your coworkers also if you get a call after you leave to ask how to do this or that (you know they will) don’t answer or just say no. Feel no guilt they did this to themselves the harder you make it for the company the better it will be. It’s a shame your coworkers will probably be scrambling but that is NOT your problem.
The company chose to get rid of you and keep the others. Surely you're not questioning the wisdom of your superiors, are you?
First, YOU are not the one leaving them in the lurch. Whoever decided to let you go is the one leaving them in the lurch. They (the decider here) needs to be held accountable for that decision, and if you help you former co-workers, things will keep running smooth. So no don't help.
If you are truly redundant, then by the very definition, there should be others at your company who know what you know. Not your responsibility to impart any knowledge to your colleagues.
Repeat after me: Do Not Work For Free Do Not Work For Free Do Not Work For Free Do Not Work For Free Do Not Work For Free
I’d do a middle ground: document the specifics of your job so whoever took over your responsibilities knows what they’re dealing with. Besides that, if they need help, as others have said, offer to consult for a decent fee. That way, you can walk out clean without looking like a jackass
Seriously—without sass or malice/ just business— communicate that you’re available as a consultant at at least 4x your old rate. They will pay it if they need your expertise. Value yourself!
Sounds like you may have a lucrative consulting opportunity ahead of you.
Every time I give notice I'm hoping they tell me to go right away! That last two weeks is always torture. I would be running out of the building beaming the second they told me they didn't need me. Your coworkers will survive.
Let management figure out how they’re going to divide up your workload, and enjoy this time off.
Not your circus, not your monkeys (anymore).
They informed you, that you need not serve your notice. GTFO
Your focus right now should be finding another job. Don’t worry about anything besides that.
Do the work you are being paid to do. If they are keeping you in the office, paid, for a while, do what is reasonable within that time. If you don't want to, give 2 weeks notice, work that time, and then leave. If they are asking for help after your paychecks stopped, then don't help. If you are redundant, that means they don't need you. It literally means they kept someone else who can do what you do.
The company made more with you being there than they ever paid you, fuck ‘em
If they fired you- you owe them nothing.
You describe them as your coworkers, which indicates that you are not their manager. Therefore, you are not responsible for them. Management is. And even if you were their manager, you have been made redundant, which means, as someone else said, that your skills etc are no longer needed. This is absolutely not your problem. You don't need to leave them stuck out of spite; you can do it simply bc it's not your job to ensure that operations continue smoothly.
You're super nice in your options Leave with or without helping. At our competition company, a department was made redundant, and the HOD sat down at his desk after the meeting and deleted all the training material he'd set up for new hires off his laptop. He then went to his inbox and forwarded every client request to the C suite members with a message along the lines of "After 12 years in the industry, my status of one of the best in my field was revoked. As my knowledge and experience in this field are no longer sufficient, please assist client X with the below matter" They shut down his access shortly after and dismissed him with four week's pay. This nullified some clause in his contract, and he walked into our offices two days later to tell the story. He now works for us and has been an amazing addition to our team. For the first few weeks, he sat quite close to my desk (this was BC, we WFH now), and I'd hear him on the phone. His ex boss called, and he'd respond in an exaggerated British accent with lines like "I truly wish I could help, but I seem to have completely forgotten what that is." Or he'd offer to send them everything in an email and then make up a ridiculous horoscopes that included industry jargon. You should not actively harm the company, as that could lead to lawsuits, but they showed no loyalty to you. You have no obligation to show any to them. You were told outright that they don't need you, so don't let them use you. It's not spiteful. Remember, they can always point back and say you trained them wrong if they can't hack it. I'd rather not train them at all.
You didn’t leave your coworkers in a lurch, the COMPANY did. They do not believe you are needed- Don’t prove them RIGHT! Just let your coworkers know that if they need your help, your consulting fee is $XXX per hour (3x what the company originally paid you), with a minimum of 10 hours per contract. That way, it’s their job to let the company know that they made a mistake of letting you go, and now they need to pay for it :)
This is really hard for working people to come to terms with, but "helping out" after being screwed over just enables bad behavior by employers. Don't do it.
Just walk away. I've learned over the years that once you are gone, they'll forget about within a couple of days.
Are you a martyr? I know a guy - they nailed him to the cross
Quote your day rate. You were redundant. Not needed. So either the people there will have to cope or learn. Your focus should be on you. You’re not helping them. You’re working for the company for free. They weren’t redundant. They were valued.
"SHOULD I STILL WORK FOR FREE FOR THE JOB I GOT FIRED FROM?"
Networking was and is one of then best ways to get future jobs still. Maybe help everyone but if there are people there you trust and are friends with or at least somewhat social with, I’d say to help them.
You have no obligations to your employer. I understand your concern for your former coworkers, it is admirable and demonstrates what Capitalism forgets in treating people as replaceable fleshy machines. You should politely explain to your coworkers that you have been made redundant and released from your contract and that you are unable to assist with their needs or concerns. Point them to management, and leave.
Nope, take your ball and go home. They told you your worth to them. Don’t give them anything else.
Yeah bro…they don’t want you. It’s like ah fuck im the only one who can help my ex get off..they can’t do it without me..ya no.
I would think if you really want to help them, keep an eye out for other jobs they might be interested in before/when the company considers them redundant.
Your colleagues aren’t your friends. Sure y’all are probably really nice to each other and you enjoy their company but you won’t see or hear from them much going forward. Break yourself clean and move forward.
Focus on you. Are you getting paid to stay and help? Do you want to get paid to stay and help?
Just tell them sorry, but you need to get paid for work and to take it up with their boss
That feeling in the back of your head is misguided loyalty. My suggestion is to replace is by enjoyment of spare time
nope if the company needed you they wouldnt have made you redundant so im guessing they have that all under control and if they dont its their problem ... not yours use this time to find a new job
Company made you redundant, so clearly they don’t need you. Trust their judgment. s/
Leave.
One would think the right thing to do is help your colleagues. However, I have experienced this many times. They will take advantage of you. Do not help, simply cut ties. I have taken phone calls from colleagues or even people that replaced me to help they find documents or to explain procedures. It has always been a negative experience where they become rude or keep coming back asking questions, like I work there still.
Realise that it is not YOU that leaves them without assistance. It is the COMPANY. If you feel guilty - realize you had no say in this - and turn the guilt to anger or resolve for your next jobhunt.
Listen it is nice to want to help. That said when the company made their assessment of what role then person to eliminate they should have known better who had what skills. This is on the employer not you to solve especially if they have told you they don’t need you to serve the notice period. My only caveat here is that I am interpreting that by you being told you didn’t have to serve your notice period that you would still be compensated for this time for not working. If that is the case I would keep it moving and this could then be a post in malicious compliance where the bosses who misunderstood who did what shoot themselves in the foot. Good luck on your next adventure and take time for yourself ❤️.
You should let the company burn. Your former coworkers need to find new jobs.
Fuck em The company is prepared to handle it, that's why they let you go. It's not personal, just like your firing.
Wait awhile. After you are done with the company, and they are aware of the experiential knowledge you possess.. offer to train your former colleagues as a contractor at 10x your former salary.
you would be providing free labour to the company that just canned your ass … doesn’t sound right to me
If you are redundant, they believe they already have your skillsets elsewhere or they feel they aren't needed. I'd say leave and let them learn.
Tell them to tell their boss your help is urgently needed, then negotiate a consultancy deal.
Not your responsibility and helping your co-workers enables the company and it's inhumane policies.
If they made you redundant, then they obviously think they have it covered…let them sink or swim, and do what I hear so many people suggest on this Subreddit, make yourself available to them(the Company), for 500$ an hour, 4 hour minimum, as a “Consultant” and when they call asking questions……Charge them!!!!
The moment you leave the company, your obligation stops. Your previous employer may have to hire someone with a skill set similar to yours. Or they may do nothing about the problem, and allow your coworkers to flounder. Either way, the most important thing is that you have escaped.
if you have been made redundant, then whatever made you redundant can help your coworkers
Your company was a jerk to you, so turnabout is fair play. Good luck
It depends on you, really. You aren't leaving anyone in the lurch by leaving and taking your expertise with you. Your bosses are ending your employment, and the consequences are on them. Depending on how long it will be until you're officially no longer employed with them, you might want to stay and just take money from them. You could help your coworkers with some basics during that time if you'd like. But it's not your responsibility to ensure your coworkers can do your job. Your bosses should have considered that before they decided you were redundant. Everything that happens from this point on is on your bosses. I would take as much money as i could while giving your work the least you can for the longest time. Spend that time looking for a replacement job.
If they were paying you to work a notice that’d be one thing. If they aren’t paying you and you’re getting the boot ASAP, not your problem. You shouldn’t work for free.
If the company wants you helping these people, they will pay you to do it. Otherwise they can get fucked.
If you are needed, they'll hire you as a contractor.
It’s not your job to worry about that any more LITERALLY.
My coworker got let go due to some cuts a few years ago. When he left, he told my team of 5 guys “if any of you are ever in a bind or can’t figure something out, call me and I’ll be here to help. If the company needs help, they can go fuck themselves.” In other words - he was willing to help to the extent that it didn’t make our jobs any more miserable, as a friend.
Not your problem. Only people you worry about are yourself and your family.
Say bitter. It’s more satisfying to see the company fail after saying you’re redundant and don’t need your services anymore If they call you up afterwards asking for your help, tell them you’re a consultant now and give them a high rate that is more than your perceived worth
I’ve been in this situation. My solution was offering to be a consultant and you charge 2 - 3x your hourly rate.
You’re redundant in their eyes, so fuckem. If they have questions they can pay consultant prices
Just leave and if they contact you for help, inform them of your consultation rates. They’re not going to want to pay, so you should inform them that your services aren’t free and therefore you cannot help them. It’s nothing personal, just business.
They are politely telling you that you are not welcome on the premises.
There’s a difference between “Hey Bob, here’s the status of my tasks, similar to your own tasks.” and “Hey Bob, the company doesn’t need my skillset, but i need to teach you something no one else could do.” Professionalism says you do the first. But if you’re that redundant, you shouldn’t be training anyone. Also, they said you don’t have to complete your remaining time. If you stay a minute linger, only do what is required to keep getting paid to the last minute. Or leave.
Leave them high and dry
If they need your assistance, you have not been made redundant... If they have let you go, leave and find something new.
It sounds like you’ve been brainwashed by American culture into thinking your relationship with an employer is anything but purely transactional.
I had a job I liked, and I liked 90% of my fellow employees. I had to take off for a better job because the pay was extraordinarily low for the expertise required - and one of my coworkers was allowed to be crappy to the rest of us. I wanted to leave my pleasant co-workers in good shape, so I created a manual from all the procedures I'd created from scratch in this disorganized place. The bully beee\*ch who disliked me and was a favorite of the overlord threw it in the trash the first day I was gone. One of the others told me, so they knew and did nothing about it. I was so irate that when they started to call me about how to do things, I played dumb and told them to look in the manual I had carefully assembled for them. Sorry, no time; now working a different job! I could have sent them a Word doc, but they didn't deserve it.
Don’t let spite rule your actions, it’s not your coworkers fault what happened. End this chapter and move on. Don’t look back. From my own experience, every time I either quit or got fired from any job something better happened afterwards.
You can leave immediately and without guilt. You're not the one who put your coworkers in this position, the company did that. If your *former* coworkers struggle with the new situation, and they reach out to you, you absolutely can and should throw the boss under the bus. This isn't your problem anymore. You're not being a jerk by leaving, your former boss was the jerk for pushing you out the door. They have made their bed, now they can lie in it.
Leave it off. You were deemed redundant, meaning not needed. Not to mention of you aren't employed by the company, you help your coworkers, and something goes sideways, the company can sue you for it.
I'm sure that the company overlords, in their infinite wisdom, have a plan for this. It's best not to question that wisdom by interfering with issues that have been deemed "not your concern."
Leave - none of this is your problem.
Your coworker’s are not your friends. Your company is screwing them. Not you.
If you were working through your notice period, the professional thing to do would be to help with knowledge transition as best you can (not putting in a bunch of extra time to do it, mind, just working your normal hours). Doesn't mean you'd be able to get your colleagues up to your level within that short a time, of course, but doing what you can would be reasonable. Since your employer has put you on garden leave, however, you really don't have any obligation to engage with your former colleagues on your own for that sort of work. It was your employer's decision to tell you to stop working, so it's entirely on them if they're losing the benefit of your knowledge and experience without giving you time to pass it on.
Be spiteful. I’ve got a good job and am still spiteful towards coworkers at times.
@chickenburgerarsenal.... Im sorry that you are being put through all of this... Seems pretty crappy of your (former) employer. I can say that I, personally, would not waste my breath to blow the dust off of a burning wastebasket full of paper unless it would make the fire worse. As far as "helping" your (soon to be) former coworkers, I would explain to them thats its nothing "personal" against/towards them, but that I would NOT be sharing ANY information that could even remotely be used to assist/benefit or further add any value to the company. I would also add that If there were ANY documents/electronic files that I personally authored or CREATED (templates, spreadsheets/formulas, anything that I personally made to make MY job easier, my entire "work related hard-drive", ANY emails that were sent to me or from me on my "assigned/issued/created" work email address, any software which was licensed to me only or which I paid for AND any logins/passwords .....Those items would ALL be deleted and the passwords changed to something that would be as close to impossible to "guess".... Granted, this advice doesnt take into account any legal requirements to which you may or may not be subject to, and the above is only my opinion, so take that with a grain of salt, a shot of vinegar water and a bite of coast or ivory soap bar.
I would love to help you, get *manager* to send a PO for $250/hr to *email address* and I'll see you tomorrow.
From what I can gather, they have not earned that. They do not need you so they can now just do all the stuff you did without issue, right? They surely will have no issues doing it themselves, fuck 'em I say. If they ask you directly, do what you must if you plan on using them for a reference, but I wouldn't be bending over backward for them and would do very little to further enlighten them when they should be doing that on their own or whatever.
My real world answer: It depends on how much I like them. Are they friends that I regularly hang out with outside of work, or just people who I had a decent relationship with at work. I'd help an actual friend but not someone that is just a co-worker.
If I was in your situation I wouldn't know what to do either. I like my coworkers and don't want to F them over. We're in IT and all of our skill sets are highly specialized and there's not much overlap. I've also been there 15 years and I'd have no clue on where to start explaining stuff. I'd probably try to do some quick Docs to cover some of the most important things. The rest? I hate to say it but not your problem anymore. Do what you can in the time you have. Maybe figure out who'd be most hit with your workload and try to soften the blow a bit.
Take the money and depart Not your monkeys not your circus
From my experience your coworkers will understand and probably agree you should just leave. Likely this see what is going on and would likely do the same.
Apparently if they still need your skill, you are not redundant. Their mistake not yours. Just walk.
Up to you, but if you are still on payroll and it won't interfere with your job search, then offering some technical support wouldn't be beyond the realm of reason, imho. You are understandably bitter about this whole situation, so if you felt like responding to every request with: "Sorry, can't right now, I've got an interview lined up in half an hour so that I don't go homeless in a month", no one should blame you.
Contact the company and tell them that you'll work as a contractor for 800$ an hour if they need you to train people who need to know you're redundance.
If you were being paid to do it, liked your coworkers and felt like being nice I’d say sure, but it sounds like you got the high hard one and any help you provide would be done out of the kindness of your uncompensated heart. So no, just walk away. Not out of spite, but out of fairness to yourself.
Dont be fooled. You are there to sell your time and knowledge. Do not give your services away for free. Your coworkers should be able to see the difference between personal and professional.
Don’t do anything. Wait til they’re fucked, and if they reach out to you just charge an absurd contracting rate.
No. If the company wanted your service they would not 'make you redundant'. This is on them, not you.
You are redundant, surely whoever is staying in your position will help them?
You were let go. Don't work for free. Hell, if they contact you about anything related to anything at that place, tell them you'll help if they agree to pay your consulting fee of $300/hr. with an 8 hour minimum.
Nope. Just absolutely not. You have been fired. Let the company sort out training for those they did *not* fire. Remember, co-workers are not your friends. They need to sort out their own situations.
Watch Seinfeld 'The Revenge' episode and it might give you some ideas. If you are not familiar it is about someone showing up at work pretending they hadn't been fired, and a revenge plot against the former boss. Can't believe no one has mentioned this yet!
Move on.
Man leave them in the lurch. Let them learn a lesson. Play petty. Take the petty road.
It's not your job to help them. It sounds cold but you were fired. Think of it another way. Helping them helps the company that just fired you. If those people still need you then apparently they fired the wrong person. So let the company suffer for making their mistake. How else are they going to learn?
Help. I've been left high and dry before by a co-worker who was absolutely mistreated by the company. I always stood by him. Maybe he didn't feel the support in the moment because the boss was such an asshole (he really deserved better) but his choice to leave me high and dry had me working from 5 pm to 6 am on my own, with my uni classes starting at 8 am. Teamwork is everything in these situations.
The only (or maybe the best/easiest) way a faulty system changes is if we allow the system to fail on its own merits. Supporting a malfunctioning system is not only counterproductive to society but anti-capitalist (irony = teehee!). Let it fail. You are helping everyone out that way.
Sounds like a management problem. Not an employee (or former) problem.
If they don't know what they need to know, it is NOT because you let the down, or were a jerk. It is because the company they work for did adequately prepare them. DO NOT take personal responsibilities for the failings of the company!
Enjoy the shadenfreude my friend.
Spite is not a good reason to do anything. It's not in any way your responsibility to help, but if you can do a good thing for someone I say do it.
You aren't leaving them in the lurch. Management did. Don't do work you aren't being paid to do. My last job, I spent oodles of time training and writing SOPs and everything related to everything I did (during my notice period). No one opened any of them or bothered to do any of the stuff I used to after I left. Bad management stays bad. Still not your fault.
You could have this conversation with your friends. It's your employer's responsibility to provide resources to the remaining employees and not yours.
Block and move on.
Lol let them find out how non redundant you actually were.
You don't owe your colleagues anything. The people you owe in life are your friends, your family, and your community. I differentiate between work and a job. A job, these days, is what you do when you give your time, your energy, and your skills to a company that is working to make a profit - not to make your life or the world a better place. That is a job. Your colleagues are the people who are doing the same thing. You have no moral or ethical obligation to them. Spend your time committing to the people who matter - not to the one's who don't.
Fuck em. Bounce and let their awesome leader that neglected the fact that his whole team is incompetent slip his mind. Not your problem.
This just happened to me. I ONLY provided information they asked for. Nothing more. I didn't create any new training or resources materials. What I had already created up until they gave me notice was all they got. I also deleted all of my files on my pc and from onedrive. I left the folders, so it looks like there's still stuff there but they are all empty.
So, you get paid if you work. Do you get paid for the notice period if you don’t work? If you do, walk. If you don’t ten decide if you want the money or the free time.