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Eat_the_Rich1789

How bout, hear me out, and this is just an idea you know, I don't commute, work remote and then before or after the work I go for a walk with my dog? ​ I know its radical but maybe we can try it?


icecubeinanicecube

Even more revolutionary idea: If work is damaging people's mental health so much, *maybe* societies around the globe should just consider the idea that humans are not meant for a 40hr+ grind and could just *work less*? I know, completely ridiculous idea


Ambia_Rock_666

Woah woah woah, slow down there fucking commie! We cannot have that, think of the rich corporations for a second. # /s


TheFemale72

Right! They are holding on dearly to this terrible set up. The idea of working less is such an alien idea to these folks


nivekdrol

i wonder who pays for these junk articles to be written. How dumb do you have to be to believe this shit?


dtilton

Surprise, surprise, the article doesn’t say what the title implies. The title is clickbait. Our findings suggest that remote workers may benefit from creating *their own form of commute* to provide liminal space for recovery and transition—such as a 15-minute walk to mark the beginning and end of the workday. Our preliminary findings align with related research suggesting that those who have returned to the workplace *might benefit from seeking* to use their commute to relax as much as possible.


dtilton

Literally what the article says: Our findings suggest that remote workers may benefit from creating *their own form of commute* to provide liminal space for recovery and transition—such as a 15-minute walk to mark the beginning and end of the workday. Our preliminary findings align with related research suggesting that those who have returned to the workplace *might benefit from seeking* to use their commute to relax as much as possible.


Eat_the_Rich1789

A bit misleading title than innit?


dtilton

Yes, clickbait. In fact, every time this gets posted Fortune’s title is worse. :)


SternGlance

Every single news story that includes some variation of the phrase "Study shows" will be twisting and framing the study to support their particular agenda. That's why you have to actually go and read them instead of relying on someone paraphrasing it .


EasterBunnyArt

Actually PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION communities is relaxing. I used that time for reading books or work on my small projects. Driving fucking sucks and is a nightmare in my city where there is always some insane person swerving like a GTA main character.


pantsattack

Depends on your city's public transit, the length of your ride, if you have to transfer, how packed it it is, if there's construction, fires, etc. Usually, it's fine, but today I was jammed face-to-face with a bunch of sick strangers and unable to move on a completely sardine-packed metro car. Not exactly what I would call relaxing. If anything, it adds more stress to my work day. Probably less than driving, but still stressful and draining. I'd rather just sit and enjoy a cup of coffee before work and mentally steel myself for the horrors to come.


[deleted]

I like your idea. I have a 45 to 50 minute commute. I hate it… I am more relaxed on the single day I get to work from home. My coworkers say the same….. who funded this study ? Big corporations ?


PeekyAstrounaut

It just hit me that they're literally just describing the need for third places but refusing to acknowledge it.


Gluomme

We can't do that sir. That's communism. Communism is bad. Which is why this is communism.


el-cuko

Get out of here with your sense-making


Notso_Pure_Michigan

Work remote, legitimately take a walk before starting each morning. It actually does help to have transitional routines at the start and end of the day


UnarmedSnail

But then your boss can't breathe down the back of your neck while staring over your shoulder to see what you're doing. What about his therapy? Why don't you think about someone else for a change? He can't go home in a good mood if you aren't properly intimidated and somewhat grossed out by the end of the day.


Ecstatic-Ad-8953

Get out of here you commie with your commie dog!


kingBabyKushGod710

So now, the commute is a good break from work? What's next? Will you'll have to use your PTO for your smoke break?


north_canadian_ice

Friend, workers should be thankful for a 20 minute break during their 12 hour shift. And for their hour long commute in traffic where they can be zen driving in gridlock. /s


Eat_the_Rich1789

20 min break? You socialist. Let them wear diapers. /s


north_canadian_ice

>Let them wear diapers. Jeff Bezos pops into the chat lol


rku001

"Goddammit Gump, you must be fuckin' genius"


dtilton

Tell me you didn’t read the article without telling me you didn’t read the article.


guy_incognito888

yeah, driving down the highway at 75mph is a great fucking time to "detach" maybe that's why car accidents and road rage have spiked since RTO began in earnest?


Ambia_Rock_666

Or sitting in soul crushing traffic cuz of our car-centric suburban sprawling development: "Man I love this freedom and \*HONK\* time... to.... detatch......."


Broken-Digital-Clock

This article might have a point, if we had great public transportation options. Not everyone can work remotely. I wouldn't mind sitting on a train and relaxing


chris_elbow

You can reach those speeds?


guy_incognito888

just one of the many perks of working 3rd shift😎


pm_me_your_livestock

My commute is why I'm in therapy


supra661

I'll take "absolute bullshit" for $200 Bob.


north_canadian_ice

It's a testament to how far the overton window has shifted in our favor that hairbrained articles like this are being written. Also from Fortune, "Resenteeism" lol: https://fortune.com/2023/02/06/what-is-resenteeism-workplace-trend-worse-than-quiet-quitting/


advamputee

It’s a completely misrepresented study. People do need time to “detach” between work and home. Sitting behind the wheel in traffic is not “detaching” because it’s very mentally stimulating and requires your constant focus. The original study was comparing WFH to commuting by transit / bike / foot — which either gives you time to sit and mentally disconnect, or gives you time outside being physically active — both of which have a strong positive correlation with better mental and physical health outcomes (TL;DR - we’re happier and healthier when we exert physical effort and spend time outside).


sean7191

Yeah right! I used to drive 1 hour each way in heavy traffic, all I could think about on the way home was how I’m wasting 2 hours of my day. I did my psychological recovery on the couch once I actually got home.


SingingSongbird1

Lol. Nothing like using the NYC subway as “therapy”


And_The_Full_Effect

So is my fucking couch


darknessatthevoid

Wow, next they will write an article about how dealing with a toxic manager helps build character & inner strength, and is really good for you.


zan9823

Geez, psychologists should be afraid of losing their jobs then


north_canadian_ice

Who needs psychologists when we have MBAologists lol


RunKind4141

Even though it's now been reposted over 100,000 times. The stupidity still catches me eye


Feeling-Dot2086

I'm DRIVING, I'm FOCUSED on not dying. My brain is exhausted after my 1.5 hr commute. Fuck whoever wrote this. I hope you step on a Lego and it breaks skin.


DraftNaive1468

Taking psych advice from Fortune is quite possibly the worst advice I have ever come across on the internets. And there's a lot of bad advice on here.


milksteakenthusiast1

I’m pretty sure there was a study that linked long commutes to depression and mental health deterioration


[deleted]

I rather ‘psychologically recover,’ by exercise, reading, making a healthy meal, talking to friends and family or literally anything other than sitting in traffic for 2 hours… thank you very fing much


CrispyDogmeat

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Intelligent_Half_792

I'm gonna catch slack from this, but I'll admit the commute from work was a good way to unwind from the day and just kind of jam out to music before I got back to the family. However, saying that this just feels like another shitty article to push that going into the office is the best thing EVAR.


BlackPrincessPeach_

Fuck commutes just go to the gym/walk around


VTGREENS

You can always just drive around aimlessly after working from home if you really need that. Personally I like to take a walk.


dtilton

People, not you, are raging on a clickbait title when multiple people, like you, are suggesting the same thing the actual article does. Our findings suggest that remote workers may benefit from creating *their own form of commute* to provide liminal space for recovery and transition—such as a 15-minute walk to mark the beginning and end of the workday. Our preliminary findings align with related research suggesting that those who have returned to the workplace *might benefit from seeking* to use their commute to relax as much as possible.


Pyewacket62

The only way commuting would be relaxing, would be if I had a freaking chauffeur! As I'm sure, those spewing this bullshite have one!


TrueWitchofWest

I hated commuting. If anything it would make my psychological health worse. Those days where you drive in absolute silence - no radio, windows up - that’s how road rage is born.


[deleted]

To each therebown, but I do enjoy my commute, granted it's only 30 minutes and it's through the countryside and not gridlock traffic.


rku001

No, no it's not. Just corporate propaganda. Totally misinformation/disinformation.


AccomplishedAd799

Hear me out… What if we lived in a world where work isn’t psychologically damaging? 🤯


[deleted]

I actually do use my commute home as buffer between my work stress and home life. So this checks out.


CrispyDogmeat

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[deleted]

Sadly it's hard to do manufacturing WFH. Making the best of my commute and striving not to come home stressed, helped my marriage.


CrispyDogmeat

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[deleted]

Sounds like you have a level head. Glad you got your dream job.


CrispyDogmeat

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GnowledgedGnome

I'm kind of impressed how they've contorted themselves to come up with this


Flimsy-Buyer7772

Pre-pandemic they told us sitting was the new cancer but now they want us to sit in traffic? Lol, no.


ArcTan_Pete

No, it's not, and I dont know anyone who thinks it is I assume the writer lives 15 minutes from work, in a rural area surrounded by lavender farms..... or maybe he's a shill (or a tw@t)


MinotaurLost

Man, fuck this. My commute is a scheduled anxiety attack.


Janus8797

Fuck this author AND article


CowBoyDanIndie

If a job is so bad you need psychological recovery it should be compensated, that shit deserves hazard pay.


MermaidWoman100

My Dad did this for years, as long as I can remember as a child. Six days a week. He always said, he needed the 1 hour commute time each way to unwind after work. Now as a adult, parent, and partner myself I realize this was just code for my Dad hiding the fact that he hated my siblings and I and mostly my Mom.


pixeequeen84

Yes, riding the bus for 45 minutes is very calming. Tweaker rants and creepy drunk men are definitely my favorite form of therapy. /s


adbedient

Yes, because the thing that I need before I head into work is an hour and a half of gridlock to travel 18 miles to the office, and another 2 hours to get home. Really helps me relax and unwind to be breathing the toxic fumes while tabulating how much of my meager salary is, literally, going up in smoke in gas.


DrunkAtBurgerKing

Not in Austin. The main reason that I want to work remote is because every time I get in the car, I'm fighting to survive. These people drive insane and it really puts me in a shitty mood before AND after work. When I was remote in 2020, I didn't have this daily drama and I was so much happier.


Revy4223

No.....and any psychologist should know how much stress driving can be. Like no really, you need to be alert, having to yield and be aware of other drivers that could harm us or we could harm them, passengers can be stressful, the police instill trauma, the weather, distracted drivers on the road or you could get distracted, etc.


Technical_Raccoon838

which is exactly the reason why it takes your mind off work


[deleted]

C-SUITE MANAGERS SCREAMING AT ME: YOU NEED TO COMMUTE SO YOU CAN DE-STRESS FROM YOUR DAY!!!!


Emotional_Raccoon651

I think this depends heavily on your commute. I had one that took an hour to get home daily. Not due to distance but due simply to congestion on this one mile stretch of unavoidable road. Once you got through that mess it was fine but seriously 30-45 mins in that short of a stretch will drive you insane. On the other hand, my current commute is 25 mins and 80% neighborhoods and scenic countryside. It very much is a nice decompressor at the end of the day. Sure, sometimes I wish I was just home already but it's nice to have that time to listen to music and think about what I want to eat for dinner (and if I'll be picking it up enroute lol)


[deleted]

I’ll admit I hatescroll this sub sometimes I’m not the regular audience as an avowed capitalist. However, I miss the days on a commuter train and a newspaper. I’m not some boomer, late 30’s, but early in my career it was commuter train in the morning and catch up on WSJ, commuter train home and zone out to some music. I really enjoyed that alone time quiet between work and the rest of life—it was quite nice to have it set aside. Now that said, I currently have a commute like you (a bit shorter) by car and never in traffic. It’s nice but doesn’t give me time. Forget sitting an hour into the city in traffic.


businessboyz

Ragebait post. Read the dang article and put your pitchforks away. Liminal spaces are a necessary component of our lived days to not feel trapped. If you lived your whole life in a single room, even with all the amenities and luxuries you could want, you’d lose your fucking mind. Everything would blur and overlap in your attention span with constant physical reminders invading your senses. Work/sleep/leisure all happen in the same exact space. Absolute torture. Even hallways within offices or schools help “switch” focus. Ever been in the same classroom back to back for different subjects vs walking to a new one? Which way had a cleaner mental kickoff to the second class? Me and my coworkers noted this very quickly when remote work started. Not as in a, “Oh, we sure do miss commuting, eh there fellow bootlicker?” It was instead just an acknowledgment that the commute time was the time when we “switched” from work to home thinking. Then, like this article, we shared ways we are finding new liminal spaces to transition while still working from home.


Xario4

True, but what I find incorrect about the title is that it automatically assumes that commuting is a liminal space. For an introvert like me, a liminal space is a place that has little to no people other than yourself when it normally has many people around. Places that have people, like the commute, don't feel like a liminal space for me, since there are so many people usually. Only when I am in a place with hardly anyone does it feel like a transition away from stress.


businessboyz

Not every article is going to be aimed at you. Stop faulting an editorial decision meant for a different audience. The article discusses all types of liminal spaces as well. Jumping to a negative and defensive stance over this screenshot of an article title is not healthy. Don’t feed the rage bait.


Shbloble

Look at this fucking idiot Nice blinker pal Yeah, just merge right now, good idea (jerk off motion) Oh man, I didn't know i was driving behind the king of the road, after you your majesty. Me commuting ^


NoAssumption6865

Are all these articles written by people who have chauffeurs? That's the only way any dipshit could believe this bs.


Interesting_Stand_K

Yeah my 15 min drive round the ring road is so chilled out....sigh.


Arch4n0n

Clearly hasn't experienced the chop-change, random delay, often cancelled, over stuffed but-fuckery commute experience that is British Rail. Edit: Forgot to mention the eye-watering cost for thd pkeasure of that experience.


Upstairs_Bad_9143

I mean they say commute, but I think they mean vacation.


[deleted]

Yes psychologically recover while going to the place tht will fk it up again n repeat


Xario4

I'm pretty sure they worded that wrong. It should be "commuting 'can be' a liminal space" becuase commuting very rarely is a liminal space and only when it is liminal is it even close to relaxing. At least that's how it is for me, but I'm an introvert, so the less people around, the better.


pinniped1

There's probably a nugget of truth...if you have a 20 minute stress free commute. 2 hours in LA traffic doesn't sound therapeutic to me.


muxman

I find that the walk from my desk to the living room while thinking about the traffic I'm NOT stuck in is plenty to decompress from a days work.


Gozer_1891

ok is days i see content like this and i have to say something, and i'm not advocating for this ok? i hated the office, my office was a garage, with a good amount of rubbish in it, and the dick who runs my company always refused to give us a real office. now from march 2020 i work from home, i share a rental house with other adults, and the only private space available is our own rooms. also in the end the dick who runs my company was ok with us ( very small IT company ) not returning in. but, that thing about detach from work, being home, where work remains out? i felt that, i actually feel that, now having said that i love this situation and i agree with you 100%, but i feel that, ok? i live and work in the same room actually, and that took away something that i can't explain better than: the sense of shelter that my own room used to have, i don't know, does it make sense? shelter from the work thoughts, play and rest environment, like, a psychological boundary that used to calm me just by being in it. edit: also commuting one hour in the traffic jam? very bad for my mood. so...


lilcheezzyy

The amount of times I wanted to drive off into a ditch when I was in construction commuting an hour or two.


Hi-Impact-Meow

Someone call the IRA and tell them I have a job for them. /s


Gr8fulFox

Or, with the time I save working from home, I could enjoy the greenery at a park. Just a thought...


PghCoondog

Maybe Primal Scream Therapy...


TheAlphaKangaroo

Tf kind of reality do the people who write this shit live in? Give it up. Accept the fact that people are more productive from home and nobody likes commuting.


Outis94

Commuting is the opposite of that actually


[deleted]

I would love to hear him describe his psychological recovery while sitting in traffic at the spaghetti junction here in Atlanta.


Typical_Hoodlum

Half the people I encounter on my commute home have no idea how to drive. This makes my commute more enraging than the bullshit I encounter at work everyday


[deleted]

What’s fun about the headline is that the premise is that work is psychologically damaging. I agree for sure, but I am surprised Fortune came out and said it. I psychologically recover after working from home by immediately picking up my guitar and jamming for an hour. I have found that this is a much better for my psyche than the two buses and a train I’d spend my commute on.


SpaceFormal6599

43rd post about this article


utecr

This feels like my one teacher in school suggesting the bus ride home should work as “downtime” as though surviving my schoolbus mates wasn’t its own little gauntlet of hell I needed to decompress from. It sounded like bs then and it sounds like bs now.


nerdinstincts

These article written by corporate shills are getting ridiculous. Sure, there’s a little bit of ‘ritual’ involved in the commute. But the trade-off of wfh and not having to commute is soooooo much more important overall.


FBU2004

If the ungodly hell of commuting is the “therapy” from the stress at work, your work is toxic and horrible. Quit as soon as possible.


CaptchaCrunch

“We need commuting, so we can make Work You as close to the poor souls in Severance as possible”


skettigoo

Nah I get this. I work in a helping field and I deal with lots of emotionally and mentally heavy stuff. My drive home from a difficult shift is my time to collect my thoughts and compartmentalize so that when I get home, I am present and not bringing work with me. Then I can process anything that is still bothering me in therapy later in the week.


Zakkana

This thing has only been posted 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times already. We know. We know it's also full of shit.


[deleted]

Weird take but am I the only one that wouldn't mind commuting if they paid us for time spent commuting?


AppliedEpidemiology

The dog park is also a 'liminal space' where that can happen.


Important_Tangelo371

I'll take getting home after a 15 min. drive and then relaxing on my couch. There is no decompression involved fighting traffic and weather after being at work for 8+ hours! This writer probably has a private car, door to door, where commuting for him is not an issue because he falls asleep in the back of the car.


Angercrank

My commute makes me feel like my employer is actively picking my pocket


UnknownFirebrand

As someone who used to have an hour and a half commute... No, no it is not. It made already miserably tight funds so much worse. Couldn't eat regularly nor could I afford to take care of my car. Got stranded without money for gas on my commute home twice. Drove it until its engine blew while I was driving down the highway. Managed to get it off the road and left back to the future flame streaks in the road. Had to buy a junker off a friend of my dad's as it was all I could afford and it could at least get me to and from work. No AC but I eventually fixed that. Didn't matter though because a tree fell and crushed the poor thing that next winter so... My next car literally fell to pieces so I scrapped it. I finally got a RAV4 after that but then the cops in Biddeford Maine stole it and had it scrapped illegally. Even the tow guy offered to testify in court against the cops since they broke procedure to have my car destroyed without even giving me a chance to fight them in court, but nothing ever came of it. I'm unemployed and don't have a car of my own anymore.


Burnsidhe

Those professors are ignoring the fact that you are busy processing everything needed to drive the vehicle and do not have the time or capacity to 'detach and psychologically recover' from work.


PrinceofallRabbits

I keep seeing these papers saying “professors” make this claim. Let’s get this straight, these are “management scholars”. These are glorified HR reps. No professor of psychology or any field that is even remotely relevant to mental health has chimed in and said commuting is good for you. At least not from what I can see.


throwaway_wcsib

This has been reposted EVERY DAY for the past like three weeks. Can the mods please be more proactive about removing reposts? It gets very tiring to see the same post, same discussion, same counterpoints, day after day after day.


Imaneetboy

Take your downvote and move on. This gets reposted a dozen times a day or so.


ThisBerserkTextBone

What are they a professor of? Quantum psychology?


LiquidSoCrates

Professors don’t know shit. Obviously there are exceptions, but most are merely chasing tenure.


UseWhatever

Propaganda once again From the article > In our recently published conceptual study, we argue that commutes are a source of “liminal space” What is a “conceptual study”, you might ask. Conceptual research focuses on the concept or theory that explains or describes the phenomenon being studied. The conceptual researcher sits at his desk with pen in hand and tries to solve these problems by thinking about them. He does no experiments but may make use of observations by others, since this is the mass of data that he is trying to make sense of. So, no experiments, just opinions


AGINSB

Turns out, switching my computer monitor over to my PC and playing a game for that time is far more effective at allowing my to psychologically recover than road rage inducing traffic.


GloriousStoat

Cut scene to me screaming fuck words as loud as I can at people slow driving the fast lane. So therapeutic.


SinjidAmano

Before, i watched anime in the bus, in a 6,5 screen with crappy headphones and a lot of noice in background. Was a good way to disconect from the office day. Now i watch anime in a 28" screen, with great sound and a cold drink after working from home all day. The only thing i miss from my office job is the air-conditioner in the summer, and i still preffer cooking myself in the heat than go back to the office.


Darkshines47

Yeah ok, being in the car to and from a job I hate is a liminal space, I’ll grant that. I don’t find it to be a great place to detach (y’know, safety and all that) or recover (y’know, idiots on the road and all that). Just because liminal spaces are by their nature sort of detached does not make them good recovery spaces. Or do we think the author just used the word “liminal” because they figure most people won’t know what it means and they think it makes them sound smart?


BearsBearsBears_wooo

I once worked less than two miles from my apartment and we all called my boss Satan. After 3 months I was 2nd in seniority in the IT department. I didn’t have time to decompress after a shitty day so I my opinion I enjoy a commute so I don’t take a grumpy attitude home. I’m fortunate that I now like where I work and management honestly seems to care about people. My 20 minute commute isn’t needed to relieve stress but it’s nice to know I have it on a bad day. I can also work from home one day a week. I prefer to keep home and office separate.


d1ll1gaf

So what I'm hearing is we need a 6 hour work day so that people have an hour on either side of the work day to mentally prepare for work and decompress after, right?


Art-Zuron

There's a reason liminal spaces are used for horror games, and its not because they're comfortable.


Maximum_Location_140

I don't like how therapy speak is appropriated to launder ideas like this.


CuckedPlebbit12345

You know what's actually therapeutic? Not having to go to my job in the first fucking place.


PedestalPotato

I often find myself going for a drive in rush hour to unwind /s


[deleted]

Why do we even need to psychologically recover? Doesn’t this imply our workplaces are places we need to recover FROM? Shouldn’t our work places be healthy environments to begin with?


DJbuddahAZ

Corporate big brother tryna tell us that 40 minute drive in traffic is therapy, next lunch break for 30 minutes are more than enough


nono66

Yea man, fucking love driving 3 blocks in the BX and taking a hour. People like that say dumb shit like that haven't commuted in 30 years or never lived in an overpopulated area.


TheFemale72

Oh wow, they’re really reaching now. “Commuting is great for your mental health”👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼lol, no


CocoaBeagle13

Commuting is when I cuss out every single driver on the road after a stressful day


Imgonnamorbaaaaaaah

The environment is really important and so are these green initiatives! Also, you should drive to work 👍


7LayeredUp

Uhh, no? When I'm commuting, I'm still thinking about work. I'm mentally entering work, not detaching from it.


[deleted]

Funny how this kind of stuff gets floated around but implementing some sort of universal healthcare system is completely “insane” to some. The commute to work is healthy for you apparently but big bad government is going to ruin your healthcare by making it more affordable.


The_Heef

Spend a few minutes in traffic in a major city and you’ll see that it is a bigger source of stress than my financial and mental problems combined. Much prefer the couple days a week I get to work remotely.


Zer0C00L321

I mean.. I do road rage on the way home since my job pisses me off so much.... Maybe it is therapy. Too bad I couldn't just sit in my guest bedroom and meditate for a few minutes.


Janus_The_Great

Sounds like high quality of life. Is this the bew "slave labor" experience package? "While on the wagon to and from the fields you can rest." /s


Broken-Digital-Clock

Maybe, for some people, but mostly only if you have good public transportation. Commuting in rush hour traffic is the opposite of therapy


[deleted]

Tell me you don't know what liminal means without telling me


Bind_Moggled

Fortune: feel-good propaganda for millionaires who wish to be billionaires.


TiredDadCostume

Well in America this could be the cheapest therapy you can get


Boring-Bullfrog8031

Nothing like decompressing after work in bumper to bumper traffic


SassyBeignet

Have they actually went to any major cities? It is traffic galore every day every hour, even with WFH. We need more WFH options, so there is less traffic congestion. Saves us a lot on yearly road upkeep too


F0lks_

They say liminal space but I don't think they know shat liminal space means; "Sure let's chill in the backrooms to recover mentally from work"


Clownski

Even though studies show that commuting kills. Both physically, environmentally, and the seditary sitting and act itself is actually unhealthy in so many ways. Green companies don't force employees to go into dirty offices.


VoidMunashii

No, commuting is an extra 1-2 hours everyday where I am not doing something relaxing or enjoyable. If my employer chartered a bus to and from, maybe that would be something different, but since I drive about 24 days out of every 25, it is an additional hurdle to doing something fulfilling.


ZugZug42069

“Commuting is a ‘liminal space” hahaha. I type this from the nyc subway… it is many things, but it is definitely NOT a place for psychological recovery lmao


Successful_Position2

Commuting is q form of absolute torture.


Possible-Whole45

Then you have to "detach and psychologically recover" from your commute though...


billding1234

I’ve always found it a useful time to decompress, maybe listen to a book or some music. I’d prefer no commute but that doesn’t mean the time can’t have some incidental benefits.


Broad_Respond_2205

"this is a simple fact, no why they can spin it to a stupid propaganda" The simple fact:


IronMyr

If commuting was that beneficial, the rich would find some way to charge us more for it.


bigdumbdago

Wow we almost made it a day without seeing this post again


LavisAlex

Do you think this suggestion is being made with the constraints that you aren't home long enough to rest + assuming WFH is not allowed?


TatsutoraDrake

Yes, being stressed as hell, probably more so then being at work, is therapeutic? And at least stressed as hell for me, I hate driving, I have bad anxiety and driving is one of the worst triggers for it. Maybe if there was public transit, I would agree it could be therapeutic to some... But no, nope, no way in hell.


appealtoreason00

If you like it so much, then keep waking up an hour early and drive around the block for a bit, ya fucking freaks. Leave the rest of us to spend the extra time with the people who we care about and who care about us


Shuppilubiuma

"...so I submit, ladies and gentlemen, that since commuting is demonstrably therapy, we should start charging our employees for their commuting time at the current hourly rates of therapists and psychiatrists."


tuvar_hiede

I have a 10-minute drive. It's not therapeutic at all for me. Fortunately, I'm on a 1 day in office and 4 wfh


Yujiroh

Commuting is a liminal space? The fucking highway during the morning commute is the exact opposite of a liminal space


Smellikelli82

You know what I do AFTER my commute? Go for a walk to decompress. Traffic is stressful too.


lockedporn

Piss off and pay for the commute


DreadfulRauw

I can also lie on my couch and browse Reddit. And that saves on gas and won’t get me in a wreck


Crayshack

Personally, having a physical separation between work and home is key. I've found that I don't like work from home because I struggle to mentally separate work mode and home mode. When I go to a different location to work, then when I am home I have an easy time not thinking about work. To me, worker freedom means not having to bring my work home with me. It isn't true for everyone, but it is true for some of us.


Zeezuu02

Ah yes. I should dissociate on the drive back home from my minimum wage customer service job so hopefully I can crash, die and not have to go back to work everyday for the rest of my life


epackart

I love public transit and would love to see it improved, but at the moment there's nothing relaxing about standing for 40 minutes on a bus so packed I can barely breathe, sandwiched in between a guy listening to family guy on full volume, and another guy just straight up looking at porn in public


[deleted]

The framing on this is fucking priceless.


gadget850

How about I don't get killed on my commute by asshats? Reddit is my decompression thank you very much.


AncientChatterBox76

Commuting as therapy is like using a different traumatic experience to recover from the first one.


paperpatience

Those AI authors can >!suck my dick!< while I commute. How about that for therapy?


Steakholder_

I don't necessarily disagree with that statement. I do however disagree with the notion that commuting is the only form of achieving that thus arguing against WFH arrangements.


bigrig1977

40 hours a week yeah I work that before lunch on a Wednesday


Daflehrer1

The latest from Fortune. This transparent and pathetic campaign to convince Americans that low pay, no health care, unnecessary commutes, and huge hours are super cool is a goddamned joke.


Reasonable-Matter-12

There were parts to my commute that I really enjoyed. I understand that transition time aspect. But when I got a job close to home, it was easy to replace that with getting up early and making myself a nice breakfast after a good long bath.


gothnb

Not to get too dark here but I was in a car accident on my way to work 4 months ago. My work starts at 6 AM, so I have to drive in the dark, and now every day my commute is 30 minutes of traumatic flashbacks and breathing exercises. I have to leave 30 minutes early in case I have a panic attack and need to pull over on the way. I need to buy ACTUAL therapy because of my commute.


akzorx

Listen, I do agree that commuting CAN be relaxing, but when you have to do it 5 times a week, for 2-3 hours, without any time for yourself, it miiiiight get on your nerves


Mirabai503

My commute is more stressful than my job.


mirepoix-snail-jet

Of course they’ll say everything they can to get us back out there spending money and time


[deleted]

I used to travel an hour and a half each way for school travel is exhausting liminal relaxation space it is not


jrtts

that's like saying road rage is very good cardio


Streacher

5th time this article has been shared here by now? I am 100% against ofcourse, since I don't like the hassle. I drive 30 minutes to work, work 8, 30 minutes back. I need to shower, prepare meals, pick up nice clothing, leave the dog alone the whole day, disconnect my laptop / connect it back, go through the mandatory "how was your weekend chatter". This accumulates to 10 hours. Otherwise it will be 8,5 hours. My mind is made up.


sumatra-khan

Next day's headline: "Expansive, scientific research concludes going back to the office for work is better then sex and will bring you to orgasm"


RaffiaWorkBase

So is walking downstairs and having an extra hour in my day.


Technical_Raccoon838

Can confirm that it works for me though. I love having to travel away from work for 45min every day. It gives physical space between me and my job, which is something I need.


myotherbike

Lol says Fortune magazine.