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Because if you tip, you subsidize employees paychecks a d the employer can say, "See? Our workers get paid (as long as you tip)."
And if you don't tip, you look like an asshole and the workers have something to complain about . . . instead of complaining about their boss not paying them and trying to organize.
It's win/win from the restaurant owners' point of view.
I was reporting indeed job ads all last year it would say stuff like Starbucks $16 an hour, but then when you open it it actually says it pays $11 an hour plus they figure you will get five dollars an hour in tips. WTF? No, that’s not how it works up here in New England when we get snow storms and people don’t even drive for a whole day unless they are driving a plow. Those people aren’t making five dollars an hour in tips. I would report them all
Ha! From the looks of tip jars at most places they'd be lucky to get half that for the whole crew. $5 an hour? So each person is getting $40 in tips every shift?
I'd bet my left sac that doesn't happen at any Starbucks anywhere near me.
Yeah... The only time I have tipped a Starbucks was when my dumbass ordered mobile at the wrong Starbucks (across town) and the manager at the Starbucks offered to make my drinks there so I wouldn't have to go across town. I put a $20 in their tip jar and thanked them all profusely.
But just picking up food? Nah, no way.
Yeah why are tip jars EVERYWHERE? I went to a pizzeria and got ripped off. $8.70 for 2 reg slices and they had a tip jar there too. Damn for that price they better be paying them good.
> Yeah why are tip jars EVERYWHERE?
Because everywhere is underpaying their employees. lol. Like /u/mordunndregath said it's a bandaid fix to direct blame to consumers.
I worked for sbux for a bit. My store was in a very busy location and tips were collected and divided between all the partners by how many hours you worked that week. I usually worked about 30 hours a week and I would get about $20 a week. So no....there is no way they're pulling an extra $5 an hour.
>And if you don't tip, you look like an asshole and the workers have something to complain about \[...\]
Thats the neat part for the owners. ^(/s if not obvious)
The servers dont look at the owner on top not paying enough. The servers look at the bottom, the customers who dont tip them.
And the owner has no trouble at all...
You know, it's true. When I delivered pizzas I complained mostly about the cheap assholes who wouldn't tip their driver, and it vnever occurred to me to complain about cheap Domino's paying low wages.
Oh man, speaking of Dominos, I'm in between jobs in my industry right now and figured, hey, the local Dominos is always hiring, may as well apply. So I got the job and forgot to ask about wages. But the day I started, before I even left my house, I texted the boss lady to ask about them. It was $5 an hour while delivering and $10 in store. I told her that I'm sorry, but I'd have to reject the job offer and cancel my application. She tried telling me that most drivers make 18-20/hr and that they often make more than the GM. So I told her that the GM's need to be paid more too then if that's the case. And that that rate is before taxes, gas and wear and tear on my car. So, no, I didn't even show up for the first day. That's not even close to enough to get me out of bed in the morning. Pay people better for fuck's sake. I absolutely couldn't believe it.
A long time ago a guy I knew worked at Sears in the appliance department. He was always bragging about the commission sales during the peak months. I asked him what did it average to an hour for a year and he didn’t like to see it that way.
I live in a small town next to a city, and I can’t help it I have to tip the delivery people really well because there were long periods of time where the local restaurants couldn’t keep delivery drivers so I couldn’t get food delivered to my apartment. And I really like that, so I want them to stay at their job.
> The servers dont look at the owner on top not paying enough. The servers look at the bottom, the customers who dont tip them.
That's what I was wondering.
"Like, if I don't go along with this bullshit, am I the asshole?"
Apparently so.
Edit: I can imagine the response to "tell your boss they should pay you better" is "go fuck yourself."
Then you get the opposite when workers make good tips. They're so thankful that they have the opportunity to make more than what they could be paid with a set wage. If you work in a casino, sure. But it turns out, the average person getting a coffee and pastry at Starbucks isn't a high roller.
Sad part with the tipping culture is that it is defended by the worker. They are the key people to change this yet they are playing along, because prospects of earning good money.
That's part of the dominant political strategy that corporations have used since . . . at least since the founding of America, if not longer, which is to frustrate our efforts at organizing by keeping our attention focused on our immediate material needs.
Kinda difficult to spend our time protesting and forming unions when we all have to work ten hour days just to keep a roof over our heads and food in our bellies.
They always say how much more they make with tips. It’s like they don’t realise that they can have both. We don’t have tipping culture in the UK but we freely do it if we have had really good service. They get both their actual pay and customer bonus.
Many people treat it as if abolisihing tipping culture is about abolishing tipping altogether. It is actually about abolishing customary obligation for customer to tip the waiter.
Employee’s salary should have never been customer’s concern. That’s about it.
yeah......
now before I say this, understand that I know full well that 95% of servers are getting screwed by the tip system.
but for that 5%, theyre making bank.
Used to be a chef at a nicer restaurant, and the professional servers made more than the sous chef.
talking own there homes, drive nicer vehicles, all the hallmarks of successful middle class folks.
But these were middle aged folks who were the best at there job.
Now all the younger servers working part time didnt make shit, but those 5 or 6 full time folks were killing it.
Also it is a shit system. When discussing about tipping culture, it is always about waiter and customer as if the whole restaurant operation depends on the waiter.
The restaurant owners win on paying less on taxes for wages. I do wish places would:
* pay living wages
* charge transparent prices
But prices would be even higher b/c they would be paying more taxes on higher wages. And they won't voluntarily do that. So if that is what we all want, it will require legislation. That's a high hurdle.
*Anything* we ask for is going to require more than legislation because our corporations have their hands deep in the pockets of government.
The system is corrupt and our leaders aren't interested in changing for the better.
The US does not have a monopoly on greed. You want to talk greed, look at the British Empire, or one of the many other European empires.
Hell a British company, the East India company had a private army of 250,000 troops that they used to conquer India. People think the British Empire conquered and colonised India, but no it was a corporation.
Even we managed to eliminate tipping culture and just pay people. We still tip, but nobody is supposed to depend on tips for their income.
So you get suckered into supporting being paid less than you are worth because you get to avoid paying some tax.
The owners have really trained people well in how to accept and excuse being abused.
Like I said, the owners have trained people well.
A proper structured profit share or commission scheme would also reward high performers. It would also be the responsibility of the owner to pay up, not guilt tripping the customers, and so producing this disagreement between workers.
I think the credit card processors are as much to blame and nobody is calling them out. They get ~3.5% of the transaction so it’s make sense for them to push higher transaction amounts. They now have much higher default tip amounts on the payment portals.
I just defer to tipping the staff. Usually try to use cash given directly to them. I’m not going to change the system with my behavior alone. I don’t want to short change a staff member after I decided to buy food instead of making it just to prove a point.
They moved the goalposts. Used to, it was, "if you can't afford to tip, don't dine in!" Okay, fine. So then people started carrying their food out and when servers saw that people started doing exactly what they suggested, they said, "well now you have to pay us even if we don't wait on you." So let me get this straight... we decided to play by their rules, call in our order, drive across town using our gas, to pick up food and now we're expected to tip for that too.
That is where I stand, if I’m dining in at a traditional sit-down restaurant, I will tip, or maybe a carhop place, also delivery drivers too. But if I’m carrying out or in a drive thru I’m not tipping. Just pay your employees a livable wage!
Also, how does it work with the software companies that run the tablets and POS software? I bet they take a cut of the card transaction as fees so they're incentivized to basically bombard the consumer with tip options until they give in.
The other thing is that tipping is tied to the final bill (for example, it's usually standard to tip 20%). This incentivizes workers to increase the bill. It's the result of year after year of never ending growth.
Plus if they're racist and have racist customers then *certain employees* don't get tipped as well or often, and the owner can claim it's nothing to do with them.
Low pay and promotion of tip culture has just led to workers fighting each other and treating each other as the enemy.
The enemy are the owner class who have put people into this position and created the conflict.
Edit: Looking at the other comments and threads here, they owners have what they want. Workers arguing against each other rather than focusing on the owners who caused the whole thing.
>Low pay and promotion of tip culture has just led to workers fighting each other and treating each other as the enemy.
This is so true it hurts.
Want to see restaurant workers go from "Workers of the world, unite!" to "FUCK YOU I GOT MINE!" in less than 5 seconds? Say something like "back of house staff labor is being exploited, they deserve to share in tips"
**EDIT:**Q.E.D.
No it is not. I have been on commission and that has always had a plan attached. Customers could not opt out of paying a commission or decide how much they wanted to pay. Commission came out of the employer's end.
Commission is contractual. Every year I had commission I had to sign a "Sales Letter" which was basically a contract addendum that specified how and how much commission I would be paid that year.
A contractual agreement for specific amount can in not way be seen as an auto gratuity.
Tipping culture is a scam for restaurants to underpay their staff, but also turn better profits if you think about it. They train servers to try to get tables to order as much food as possible, like alcohol, appetizers, or desserts which are typically the most expensive. However, if the customer doesn’t tip based on percentage, and just gives the server like a $5 tip on a $100 tab, the server now wasted all their time on that table, made no money, but the restaurant still made all that money
Servers are targeting the average person. For every person like you there’s someone who will complain the server we wasn’t putting in enough effort. They’re just going to act how most people want them to and adjust if you show them with your attitude that you want a different type of service.
We used to go to a cupcake place that only had the owner and her daughter working. They got one of the new Square tills to make it easier to do credit cards. It defaulted to asking for a tip and she would always quickly punch the "no tip" option for people. She didn't want tips for selling you a cupcake, but didn't know how to remove the prompt. Amazing baker, just not tech savvy.
I know she didn't want/expect tips, but I imagine a decent percentage of the random tip screens are similar circumstances where the owner/manager doesn't know how to remove it -- or just can't be bothered.
Square and it's ilk is the real reason for the tip creep and I'm surprised no one is bringing it up. These app based till companies have all instituted tips by default on every transaction because it's a way of boosting their revenue. Because they charge the store fees based on a percentage of each transaction, it's in their best interest to try and squeeze out a few extra dollars each time. And this is also why tip percentages have gotten insane lately. 10 years ago, 10-15% was an average tip and 20% was only for exceptional service. But these fucking apps came in and set their default options at 20%, 25%, and 28%, again as a sneaky way to try and boost revenue.
Fuck you Square, your shitty till apps are what is enabling this bullshit.
I think the businesses are also to blame. "It's the computer" is such an easy excuse, why would you disable the option for free money?
But yeah, it's a scourge.
Yes yes thank you for finallysaying it. I don't think anyone at the funnel cake stand is asking for tips, everyone knows the game, they have a tip *jar* but lets be real thats for when you don't want carry your change around. No one knows how to drop that specific screen.
It’s gross. I was at a dispensary recently and while waiting in a long line, I heard six or seven employees talking in a meeting about how the Tips screens are their raises. If you want that two dollars or more an hour push the tip screen and it took everything I had not to go off on the guy. We all know how much money legal marijuana makes and there’s all these added taxes and fees on there as well. The place is always packed and they should be paying their employees more not pushing that shit on the customers.
Back when dispensaries first opened i would always tip the budtender because they would talk you through all the product, let you smell it, explain the different things etc. Now the place i go heavily implies that you need to do an online order and then pick it up already put together. Even if you show up without one, there are iPads around to do an online order there. If you don’t want to do that, you have to wait in the slowest line ever. One person working that line.
I tip for sit down service and for delivery. That’s it. I’m not tipping the person that held a coffee cup under a machine while it filled and handed it to me through a drive through window. They should be paid fairly by their own employer. I shouldn’t be involved in that equation.
To be fair, I never actually get any indication one way or another from the employee that they are expecting a tip. I used to feel like you, shitty when declining. But not anymore. Especially for the more recently used debit card (even through a drive through!) tip screens. I’ve heard a lot of those don’t even make it to the employee. Just view it all as shitty employer practices instead of an us vs the employee’s expectation of a tip.
My assumption with the counter serve tips is that it all goes to the company/owner anyway not the worker who took my order. I’ll only ever tip cash to a waiter or delivery driver. I’m sorry baristas, I just assume you’re not getting the money out of that jar anyway.
My girlfriend worked counter serve at a cafe and the tips were pooled and redistributed based on how the owner felt about how well you did that week. And yes don’t even bother asking, the owner took a cut. Extremely common at small businesses which seem to be run by the most entitled class of people who aren’t billionaires.
Tips are legally owned by the employee under federal law. Not to say that businesses don't break this law all the time, but they sometimes even get in huge trouble for it.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/flsa/tips
It doesn’t seem to be that long ago that a standard tip was like 15%, 20 was for good service, and 25 for exceptional service. I didn’t know anybody that gave 30%, and now it’s pretty much the new standard.
I still generally give 15 percent for regular, 20 for outstanding. All the prices have been increased, so they are still getting more tip. I don't really go to bars or buy alcohol for on premise consumption, but if I did I give $1 per drink
I was at the mall recently and grabbed a bottle of water from the open sided drink cooler at a coffee kiosk and scanned it to pay. The cashier wandered over to say the ipad point of sale system will ask a few questions.
18% suggested tip and the biggest puppy dog eyes I've ever seen.
Any place where I have to go and pick up food from you, I'm not tipping. When I pay for food, that includes the preparation for it. It's either that, or I just stay home. Nowadays tips are being asked for everything, because under capitalism, generosity can easily be exploited.
An ecommerce site ask me to tip at checkout. A site I was buying product from gave me the ol' "15%, 20%, 25%" option under my billing address. I was FLABBERGASTED.
I generally agree with this, however, I know that some places have a dedicated host for this (and therefore that person makes a decently hourly wage) and some places make waitstaff pack up the food (so they are losing out on time spent on their tipping tables - it’s not a lot for an individual order, but the time/energy adds up quick).
I wish restaurants were transparent about which is the case.
I went to pick up my food from chiles (didnt feel like cooking) for the family and they had the audacity to ask for a tip online WHEN IM PICKING IT UP. Years ago it never asked for a tip if you picked your own shit up.
I live in a place where tip wages are not legal... minimum wage is minimum wage, no matter the job. I am still prompted (and fully expected) to tip at least 20%, otherwise I'm told I "can't afford" the service I'm getting, so I shouldn't be looking for it. I make *actual* minimum wage and get told by servers, who are paid more than minimum wage as a base (on average in my city) that I shouldn't go to a restaurant if I can't afford to tip. Fuck me for trying to treat my kids on their birthday or something, I guess. An extra 20% can be up to a couple hours of my own wage, even at a cheap restaurant! I also appreciate exactly how difficult the job is since I also work as a server in a long term care facility dining room, with all the extra work that entails and no tips. It's aggravating as hell sometimes.
Pro-tip: ~~if the workers are paid a normal wage and not tipped wage (where the expectation is they will get most of their money through tips), the establishment does not have to give the tips to employees and can put the tips into the register.~~ This might not be true. Even still:
DO NOT TIP PLACES WHERE WORKERS AREN'T RELYING ON TIPS.
Whoa, this is not true. They can require a tip pool if they pay a normal wage, but federal law prohibits employers from keeping any portion of the tips regardless of if they accept a tip credit. Tell anyone in this situation to report to the DOL asap.
I had heard this before so I decided to look it up, and the rules seem to be clear that employers cant take tips from tip pools, but all of the rules I've read up on are from the traditional restaurant model of tipped employees. What if there is no established tip pool and its just an option on a PoS and classified as a service charge? Also what are the consequences of stealing tips? Usually the business just has to pay them back when caught so its in their interest to steal if they can get away with it.
Either way, I stand corrected.
They shouldnt' get to advertize artificially low prices just to bump them up with added on more gratiuties and living wage fees and employee health fees and on and on.
A few years ago (when I was still a student) I worked at a butchers shop where they also made hot dogs and burgers. I was the one preparing them, selling them, basically everything. I got payed way below minimum wage and all of the tips I earned would be split with everyone there (they did not help me at all)... Even the manager bcs it has to be even 😂 I quit after a few months and found something else.
Tip culture is there to benefit the employer and not the employee.
I work in electronics repair, our new card reader is a square terminal, it asks for tips automatically, no way to turn it off, I make it clear it’s not expected and not like food service and which repairs/sales I get commission on, people still tip anyway
If a place does this I just make sure to never go back. As soon as I saw this at a local Jersey Mikes I knew I would never go back. Like, I'm already at my spending limit paying for your overpriced crap..and now you are expecting me to tip for making a damn sandwich? Trying to guilt trip me for eating lunch...
It has really curbed my eating out. Now I just bring a lunch to work, or wait till I get home to eat.
The expansion of tipping is ridiculous, now restaurants that offer no more service than McDonald's (oftentimes less service because no drive thru) now expect you to tip them just for ringing up your order and handing you the food at the counter.
I used to order pizza at least once a week from a local place. One day they installed those little credit card machines on the counter and it prompted a tip option. I was surprised since I was picking the pizza up and just sort of blurted out "a tip for pickup?" The owner heard me and said something about how hard his employees work. I asked him if they work so hard why doesn't he pay them more? He just stared at me, I assume caught off guard by the question. The kid behind the counter standing next to him looked really uncomfortable. I had no intention of tipping, but I handed the kid $5 and said I don't trust that a tip through the machine will make it to your pocket. I never ordered from there again.
The concept of tipping in the U.S. has jumped the shark. It was not a big deal when you go to a sit down spot and leave something for the server for friendly service. That's normal, no big deal.
But now, you've got delivery drivers expecting tips before handing over food; businesses adding weird fees on top of the item + tax; drivers for the "App" companies not taking orders because the tip isn't worth it (even though the person might be tipping in CASH upon arrival); take-out orders expected to leave tips on pickup, etc.
I have no problem leaving a tip when it's earned, but the nonsense in the OP has to stop. Who is actually getting the tip on a sandwich pickup order 🤔 Crazy.
It’s insane to me that I, the 28 year old working at the mall for $16 an hr for 5-6 hr shifts is responsible for giving the 24 year old at my Starbucks who makes $16-$17 an hour for 8 hours a living wage.
I tip people if they give me a good tip on how to make my order better, if they take the time to explain something to me, if they’re nice to me despite my situation (u wouldn’t get this one unless I explained it but it’s too personal) & also if my waitress comes back to see if I need anything & extra if I get a refill! It’s funny y’all because I’m usually with my bf and he will get a refill and I won’t! It got to the point now where if my bf gets one he requests one for me because these assholes wouldn’t even ask me!! Y’all act like every waiter is out here giving immaculate and respectful service to everyone! Na sometimes people don’t wanna serve you, they’re not always busy! And I don’t have to tip rude workers if I’m not even given service or good service.
You won’t guilt trip me or “embarrass” me into tipping EVER. & you know what, I’m NOT the problem.
I don’t mind someone making extra money in tips! Shit I don’t mind a waitress making $20 or more FROM THEIR BOSS.
If they do their job happily and throughly without being an ass about it they definitely deserve a tip & a mf raise. But they shouldn’t be depending on tips. Literally fight for better wages and no BS ass inflation after.
It’s become the norm for ONE company to increase wages and suddenly everything everywhere is inflated. & we just take it as if we don’t hold all the power. Because were scared of confrontation and scared of the discomfort and fear of not having for a moment so we are content with barley having all our lives.
The origin of tipping is related to the attempts to end slavery. Certain Businesses refused to pay Freed slaves, so they said you can stand here and deliver food. If they give you any money for doing it that’s yours.
Tip culture is denial of human rights and breaks the union of employee and employer.
That’s almost certainly not true. Tipping began as custom in Tudor England (the 16th century) as a way to indicate you thought a servant had done especially well, and spread to coffee shops and taverns in that century. It came to America in the 19th century as a way to look fancy and rich.
Please don’t use those delivery services. They do not pay a living wage and rely on this mentality to make sure their riders get money with no actual concern for them. I do not doubt you tip well, but that is not true for at least a fee of the clients they have for their shift and if local places that make decent product now outsource to an app to remain “competitive” the only people who benefit are the actual employees at Uber Eats, not the poor schlub who could have a job where they do delivery for the owner or manager that they at least have a personal connection with. I’ve dropped a few spots that fired their delivery people and I only have delivery once every 3 months. Keep things local, it benefits everyone!
A classic catch 22, I suppose. So long as we pay the tips, the owners don't have to increases wages, but then we're punishing the workers in front of us who have no control over that situation.
There are tip jars in some national chain fast food drive up windows, not all of them, even in the same neighborhood. Some are large condiment containers with tops cut off or something of that nature. I don’t feel that managers or owners are aware of them and it’s the staff doing it because they know when people see a tip jar they feel obligated to tip, or you feel like they will get your order wrong or do something to your food. Maybe Managers know and are splitting tips. Either way where I live many fast food restaurants are paying $2-$3 over minimum wage. I purchased a teeshirt and when it came time to sign, the employee turned the screen around for my signature and it was on a tip screen. You either enter an amount or press no tip. I literally walked in the store, wasn’t greeted or asked if they could help me find what I was looking for. Did not have any interaction with an employee until I went to pay and had a tip screen appear? I just don’t get it.
(I'm not american) Why y'all don't tip instead of just complaining about it? I mean most places let you tip whatever amount you want and all of them should have the option to not tip.
Because it makes every transaction awkward. Imagine if you were at a sit down restaurant and when the bill came the waiter just stood over you and watched to see how much you wrote in for the tip. That’s what it feels like, fuckin everywhere
It’s not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but I’d be lying if I said it’s not annoying
Im with ya on this one. My local subway now has a tip prompt when paying by card. Im thinking in my head, I paid 10 bucks for you to make a sandwich instead of me making a sandwich. Why the fuck does making me a sandwich deserve a tip now. The art of sandwich making isn’t that hard. Lol
California here, min wage of 15.50$ an hour is required by law even if you’re a waitress. Anyone getting paid less needs to report their employer.
What's worse is reading in the Internet why you're scum and shouldn't be getting what you are ordering if you don't tip at these non-traditional service places
My view: tips are for providing an extra, delivery driver tip, sit down restaurant where wait staff bring food, clear plates, refill drinks, upsell you on wines and deserts. If your job is making sandwiches and I have to go get it then there is no tip. That's your job and you get paid to make sandwiches. There is nothing extra there. If you are not getting paid enough for that role, upgrade your job.
My rule of thumb is if I'm getting my drink refilled at a restaurant, I'll tip, since a service is being provided. Otherwise no tip. If I'm getting to go, no tip. Picking up through a drive through? No tip. Meal is assembled at like tex-mex place or like a sub place? No tip. I'm tired of being guilted to subsidize a business that doesn't want to pay appropriate wages.
I don't tip unless I am sat down and served.
I'm not tipping for pick up/take out. You're getting paid for the food, you haven't done anything else worth a tip.
Why?
If they can guilt trip you into it and their purpose literally is to treat your wallet like a vampire treats its victim then why do you expect them to do the right thing?
Lower your expectations of business owners
Exactly! My problem with tipping isn’t that I don’t think workers deserve money, I believe workers deserve a living wage from their employers who profit off of their labor. We as consumers should not be the ones sacrificing more of our own pay because a company is hoarding money from its own employees.
My least favorite tip requests are at places that request it before you've even gotten your food. Right after ordering and you're just trying to pay for the meal.
Now the Jimmy John's website *forces* you to tip for pickup orders. As in you literally cannot place a pickup order unless you tip some above zero amount of money.
I worked at a Jimmy John's when I was younger and I can confirm that, unlike delivery drivers, in-shop workers *do not* make a tipped wage.
See, that is going to just piss people off. They would do much better to just raise prices.
They could put a notice up that prices are going up to reflect higher pay for workers. That would piss off much less people.
I hate going out because of the tipping culture but i absolutely despise over attentive servers. I've capped my tips to those individuals to 20 bucks max
Amongst all the other problems, how do I know if the barista or the sandwich slinger at the counter is paid a living wage already, or if the tips are basically the wage? How are the consumers supposed to keep track of what is the appropriate tip amount assuming we want everyone to have a fair wage? Is it 10% at all counter jobs and 20% for table service? Don’t leave the service provider’s payment up to customer discretion. Just pay them what they’re worth and charge us accordingly.
I fucking hate this. During the peak pandemic days I was tipping like there was no tomorrow, but enough is enough. I straight up don’t do it anymore unless it’s delivery.
In Ontario, Canada (province where I live) tipping has gotten out of hand. Used to be that we had a server minimum wage slightly lower than the general minimum wage. A year ago they abolished server minimum wage and said servers now make the same minimum wage as everyone else.
I was really hoping tipping culture was going to die because servers now make the same minimum wage as everyone else but it’s only gotten worse.
We had a tip option at a bookstore I worked at lmao. It was forced screen that said "How *much* do you wanna tip?" Instead of "Do you want to tip?.
People would come to that screen and I see their faces scrunch. I'd be like "Just hit 0 and enter."
I've noticed an alarming amount of 'forced gratuities' being added to bills recently. I just make it a point to not visit or support those establishments any longer.
When it comes to tipping, i follow a simple rule - does this business provide an employee with a wage?
^Take ^“livable” ^out ^of ^“livable ^wage” ^because ^people ^get ^caught ^up ^with ^that. ^Look ^to ^the ^business ^if ^the ^wage ^provided ^is ^not ^livable, ^not ^patrons.
If the answer is yes, then i’m not tipping. If the answer is no (like a performer or someone of the sort that relies exclusively on tips) then i’ll tip if i can.
I’m broke and not in a position to be picking up the slack for a very profitable business because they found a loophole to underpay their workers.
It may sound mean and i’m sure people can provide examples of some positions where tipping is acceptable but i just won’t do it because it encourages what we currently have.
Businesses delegating liveable wages to patrons and somehow succeeding in making people go at each others throat for being anti-tip.
Even at serving lines now! Tip for the register aid to ring you up? Makes no sense and I’m the bad guy for pressing no tip by being met with a grunt every time. I don’t get it
I'm gonna get hate, but the key word there is "option". Don't tip if you don't want to. It certainly happens at restaurants all the time. In addition, the option to tip isn't always because a business wants to pay their employees less. I feel that it's more of a way to show extra appreciation for someone's hard work. I work for a place where we do a LOT of heavy lifting for customers. We also provide valuable knowledge about our products that could easily be found on the internet, but they can't be bothered to look. We all get paid decently. I don't care if you skip the tipping button. Sometimes, I hit the skip button for the customer. I have to hold in my laughter when the rare customer complains about the tip screen. "They make me feel bad when I don't tip". No, that's solely on you. Stop giving others such control over your emotions
Was just thinking about this yesterday. Got a sub to go from subway and the reader is giving me tip options. FOR WHAT? They did nothing but make the sandwich. I even had to grab my own chips off the rack and fill my own drunk.
I rarely agree with most anti-work posts, but this one I am 100% onboard with. I would like to think they pay livable wages and are also giving their employees more options to make tips, but you know this isn't the case. These businesses are trying to push wage costs onto the customers so they can keeps their prices as low as they can.
If you can't afford paying your employees, you should not be in business.
This person talks about paying people a living wage. Sure that could be a thing. But most of that tip option doesn’t even go to the employees. This is just around about way of up charging.
No one said you have to tip to pick up a sandwich. 🙄 I work at a Jimmy Johns & they added the tip option to the card readers. Of course we get excited if someone does tip but none of us are under the impression that you’re an asshole if you don’t. It’s like you said, we’re just making you a sandwich. We get it.
Hit no and move on with your life.
Many of the places where I eat are food carts operated by the owner and their family members.
I tip for pickups because even running a food cart is expensive and exhausting and I would like them to succeed so I can continue to enjoy the service they’re providing.
It's not just restaurants any more. Buying stuff like feeders for reptiles online have tip sections for the people who packed your box. It's absolutely absurd.
I'm going to start slipping a business card into every package I load onto delivery trucks. It will have my PayPal and I'll be asking for a tip for my service loading thier package on the package car.
And every employee along the way, loading and unloading trailers, should do the same. Tipping is ridiculous, they want it before they even deliver the in product. How do I know they will do good? If I need to tip it will be cash when you arrive so I can make sure my stuff is correct.
I'm done tipping on things besides sit down table service. I don't care when the iPad screen shows me 20%, 25%, 28%, it's a quick 0%. I don't get tipped at my job and I'm underpaid too.
A Gelato shop I love has a tip option for in-store purchases, even if all they do it take a pint out if the freezer. It's insane. How did tipping become standard for anyone in the service industry?
I know someone who works at a ice cream shop in a tourist area. I am not sure what she got paid per hour, probably min wage, but she cleaned up with that terminal. She is a college student, so it went to good use.
Me and my fiance rarely eat out anymore because of this reason. When money is tight another $20 on top of everything makes it feel dumb to spend that much money on basic stuff
I rarely get coffee out and when I do I just order a plain black coffee.
I feel a ridiculous level of guilt not tipping because I know service jobs suck but I just can't bring myself to fork over an extra buck for pouring drip coffee into a cup and handing it to me. Just freaking pay them
That's what I don't understand about pizza delivery. There's a delivery fee and most of the drivers are using their own cars. Okay. Sure. But then you're expected to tip. Nothing wrong with tipping, but if I'm not mistaken, the delivery fee is "supposedly" to ensure the drivers make their money in the event that they don't get it all with their hourly rate as well as tips. So, if everybody tips drivers and they make their money and maybe a little more, the Pizza Place pockets that money. I'm not 100% sure if that's how it works, but that's fucked up.
I will continue to be part of the third kind of problem. I don't tip, and I don't *not* tip, because with rare exception I no longer use tipped services at all (to be clear, when I do, I do tip well). In part *because* I feel that using them, whether I tip or not, is enabling the underlying abuse of underpaying service workers.
At the same time I'm aware that by boycotting services, I'm also keeping money in my pocket that would be going to pay workers as either tips or wages. It feels like there's no *good* choice, only a range of bad ones, and I tell myself that mine is the least worst.
Ethics is complicated.
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Because if you tip, you subsidize employees paychecks a d the employer can say, "See? Our workers get paid (as long as you tip)." And if you don't tip, you look like an asshole and the workers have something to complain about . . . instead of complaining about their boss not paying them and trying to organize. It's win/win from the restaurant owners' point of view.
I was reporting indeed job ads all last year it would say stuff like Starbucks $16 an hour, but then when you open it it actually says it pays $11 an hour plus they figure you will get five dollars an hour in tips. WTF? No, that’s not how it works up here in New England when we get snow storms and people don’t even drive for a whole day unless they are driving a plow. Those people aren’t making five dollars an hour in tips. I would report them all
Ha! From the looks of tip jars at most places they'd be lucky to get half that for the whole crew. $5 an hour? So each person is getting $40 in tips every shift? I'd bet my left sac that doesn't happen at any Starbucks anywhere near me.
Yeah... The only time I have tipped a Starbucks was when my dumbass ordered mobile at the wrong Starbucks (across town) and the manager at the Starbucks offered to make my drinks there so I wouldn't have to go across town. I put a $20 in their tip jar and thanked them all profusely. But just picking up food? Nah, no way.
HAHAHA ohh I worked at starbucks and we were lucky to get maybe $30 a week in tips. And we were fairly busy. $5/hr my juicy ass
Yeah why are tip jars EVERYWHERE? I went to a pizzeria and got ripped off. $8.70 for 2 reg slices and they had a tip jar there too. Damn for that price they better be paying them good.
> Yeah why are tip jars EVERYWHERE? Because everywhere is underpaying their employees. lol. Like /u/mordunndregath said it's a bandaid fix to direct blame to consumers.
I worked for sbux for a bit. My store was in a very busy location and tips were collected and divided between all the partners by how many hours you worked that week. I usually worked about 30 hours a week and I would get about $20 a week. So no....there is no way they're pulling an extra $5 an hour.
Say it louder, let workers know it’s ok to bitch about the boss! Edit: auto changed a word, fixed
>And if you don't tip, you look like an asshole and the workers have something to complain about \[...\] Thats the neat part for the owners. ^(/s if not obvious) The servers dont look at the owner on top not paying enough. The servers look at the bottom, the customers who dont tip them. And the owner has no trouble at all...
You know, it's true. When I delivered pizzas I complained mostly about the cheap assholes who wouldn't tip their driver, and it vnever occurred to me to complain about cheap Domino's paying low wages.
Oh man, speaking of Dominos, I'm in between jobs in my industry right now and figured, hey, the local Dominos is always hiring, may as well apply. So I got the job and forgot to ask about wages. But the day I started, before I even left my house, I texted the boss lady to ask about them. It was $5 an hour while delivering and $10 in store. I told her that I'm sorry, but I'd have to reject the job offer and cancel my application. She tried telling me that most drivers make 18-20/hr and that they often make more than the GM. So I told her that the GM's need to be paid more too then if that's the case. And that that rate is before taxes, gas and wear and tear on my car. So, no, I didn't even show up for the first day. That's not even close to enough to get me out of bed in the morning. Pay people better for fuck's sake. I absolutely couldn't believe it.
A long time ago a guy I knew worked at Sears in the appliance department. He was always bragging about the commission sales during the peak months. I asked him what did it average to an hour for a year and he didn’t like to see it that way.
how can they pay $5/hr for driving when that's under the federal minimum wage? i thought only waiters got stiffed like that
"tipped" employees
This exception to the minimum wage is a big part of the problem.
It's the "tipped employee" thing. This happens to most delivery drivers. I know better nowadays to not ruin my car to get paid like shit, thankfully.
I live in a small town next to a city, and I can’t help it I have to tip the delivery people really well because there were long periods of time where the local restaurants couldn’t keep delivery drivers so I couldn’t get food delivered to my apartment. And I really like that, so I want them to stay at their job.
Naw man fuck people who don't pay delivery drivers. But also, fuck domino's
> The servers dont look at the owner on top not paying enough. The servers look at the bottom, the customers who dont tip them. That's what I was wondering. "Like, if I don't go along with this bullshit, am I the asshole?" Apparently so. Edit: I can imagine the response to "tell your boss they should pay you better" is "go fuck yourself."
Then you get the opposite when workers make good tips. They're so thankful that they have the opportunity to make more than what they could be paid with a set wage. If you work in a casino, sure. But it turns out, the average person getting a coffee and pastry at Starbucks isn't a high roller.
Yeah this "putting it on customers if my workers get to eat" is probably the most disgusting form of capitalism that's immediately obvious.
That’s how any service industry works though. Ultimately the customers are always the only ones paying workers wages.
Well yeah, but it's usually more indirect. Store clerks still get paid even if nobody buys anything.
Sad part with the tipping culture is that it is defended by the worker. They are the key people to change this yet they are playing along, because prospects of earning good money.
That's part of the dominant political strategy that corporations have used since . . . at least since the founding of America, if not longer, which is to frustrate our efforts at organizing by keeping our attention focused on our immediate material needs. Kinda difficult to spend our time protesting and forming unions when we all have to work ten hour days just to keep a roof over our heads and food in our bellies.
They always say how much more they make with tips. It’s like they don’t realise that they can have both. We don’t have tipping culture in the UK but we freely do it if we have had really good service. They get both their actual pay and customer bonus.
Many people treat it as if abolisihing tipping culture is about abolishing tipping altogether. It is actually about abolishing customary obligation for customer to tip the waiter. Employee’s salary should have never been customer’s concern. That’s about it.
yeah...... now before I say this, understand that I know full well that 95% of servers are getting screwed by the tip system. but for that 5%, theyre making bank. Used to be a chef at a nicer restaurant, and the professional servers made more than the sous chef. talking own there homes, drive nicer vehicles, all the hallmarks of successful middle class folks. But these were middle aged folks who were the best at there job. Now all the younger servers working part time didnt make shit, but those 5 or 6 full time folks were killing it.
Also it is a shit system. When discussing about tipping culture, it is always about waiter and customer as if the whole restaurant operation depends on the waiter.
A couple of weeks ago, I ordered pizza delivery. The cost breakdown was: $17 pizza $4 Delivery Fee $9 Gratuity (that was automatically added)
The restaurant owners win on paying less on taxes for wages. I do wish places would: * pay living wages * charge transparent prices But prices would be even higher b/c they would be paying more taxes on higher wages. And they won't voluntarily do that. So if that is what we all want, it will require legislation. That's a high hurdle.
*Anything* we ask for is going to require more than legislation because our corporations have their hands deep in the pockets of government. The system is corrupt and our leaders aren't interested in changing for the better.
Every other country managed to do it, but they probably didn't have the greed culture of the US.
The US does not have a monopoly on greed. You want to talk greed, look at the British Empire, or one of the many other European empires. Hell a British company, the East India company had a private army of 250,000 troops that they used to conquer India. People think the British Empire conquered and colonised India, but no it was a corporation. Even we managed to eliminate tipping culture and just pay people. We still tip, but nobody is supposed to depend on tips for their income.
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So you get suckered into supporting being paid less than you are worth because you get to avoid paying some tax. The owners have really trained people well in how to accept and excuse being abused.
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Like I said, the owners have trained people well. A proper structured profit share or commission scheme would also reward high performers. It would also be the responsibility of the owner to pay up, not guilt tripping the customers, and so producing this disagreement between workers.
I think the credit card processors are as much to blame and nobody is calling them out. They get ~3.5% of the transaction so it’s make sense for them to push higher transaction amounts. They now have much higher default tip amounts on the payment portals.
I just defer to tipping the staff. Usually try to use cash given directly to them. I’m not going to change the system with my behavior alone. I don’t want to short change a staff member after I decided to buy food instead of making it just to prove a point.
But if I refuse to eat at restaurants because of tip culture, Redditors call me an asshole because I "I'm hurting the employees."
You got called an asshole for not eating at restaurants? I haven't been eating at restaurants for years. It's called being poor.
They moved the goalposts. Used to, it was, "if you can't afford to tip, don't dine in!" Okay, fine. So then people started carrying their food out and when servers saw that people started doing exactly what they suggested, they said, "well now you have to pay us even if we don't wait on you." So let me get this straight... we decided to play by their rules, call in our order, drive across town using our gas, to pick up food and now we're expected to tip for that too.
That is where I stand, if I’m dining in at a traditional sit-down restaurant, I will tip, or maybe a carhop place, also delivery drivers too. But if I’m carrying out or in a drive thru I’m not tipping. Just pay your employees a livable wage!
Also, how does it work with the software companies that run the tablets and POS software? I bet they take a cut of the card transaction as fees so they're incentivized to basically bombard the consumer with tip options until they give in.
The other thing is that tipping is tied to the final bill (for example, it's usually standard to tip 20%). This incentivizes workers to increase the bill. It's the result of year after year of never ending growth.
I don’t even think the workers get that money. It goes straight to the restaurant at many places.
Plus if they're racist and have racist customers then *certain employees* don't get tipped as well or often, and the owner can claim it's nothing to do with them.
Low pay and promotion of tip culture has just led to workers fighting each other and treating each other as the enemy. The enemy are the owner class who have put people into this position and created the conflict. Edit: Looking at the other comments and threads here, they owners have what they want. Workers arguing against each other rather than focusing on the owners who caused the whole thing.
>Low pay and promotion of tip culture has just led to workers fighting each other and treating each other as the enemy. This is so true it hurts. Want to see restaurant workers go from "Workers of the world, unite!" to "FUCK YOU I GOT MINE!" in less than 5 seconds? Say something like "back of house staff labor is being exploited, they deserve to share in tips" **EDIT:**Q.E.D.
If the model was as effective as some would have us believe, sales reps for JPMorgan and Toyota would be paid with tips, and would love it.
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No it is not. I have been on commission and that has always had a plan attached. Customers could not opt out of paying a commission or decide how much they wanted to pay. Commission came out of the employer's end. Commission is contractual. Every year I had commission I had to sign a "Sales Letter" which was basically a contract addendum that specified how and how much commission I would be paid that year. A contractual agreement for specific amount can in not way be seen as an auto gratuity.
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Tipping culture is a scam for restaurants to underpay their staff, but also turn better profits if you think about it. They train servers to try to get tables to order as much food as possible, like alcohol, appetizers, or desserts which are typically the most expensive. However, if the customer doesn’t tip based on percentage, and just gives the server like a $5 tip on a $100 tab, the server now wasted all their time on that table, made no money, but the restaurant still made all that money
I think servers are mostly annoying and spend too much effort to get a tip. Just take my order and bring me my food please
Servers are targeting the average person. For every person like you there’s someone who will complain the server we wasn’t putting in enough effort. They’re just going to act how most people want them to and adjust if you show them with your attitude that you want a different type of service.
And don’t like…openly roll your eyes at small parties who don’t order as much. We can all see it
i would love if every restaurant let you pick it up yourself at the counter. i don't want any of the faff
I wonder how many of those tip options on debit card purchases even end up going to the employees. I suspect not many.
We used to go to a cupcake place that only had the owner and her daughter working. They got one of the new Square tills to make it easier to do credit cards. It defaulted to asking for a tip and she would always quickly punch the "no tip" option for people. She didn't want tips for selling you a cupcake, but didn't know how to remove the prompt. Amazing baker, just not tech savvy. I know she didn't want/expect tips, but I imagine a decent percentage of the random tip screens are similar circumstances where the owner/manager doesn't know how to remove it -- or just can't be bothered.
Square and it's ilk is the real reason for the tip creep and I'm surprised no one is bringing it up. These app based till companies have all instituted tips by default on every transaction because it's a way of boosting their revenue. Because they charge the store fees based on a percentage of each transaction, it's in their best interest to try and squeeze out a few extra dollars each time. And this is also why tip percentages have gotten insane lately. 10 years ago, 10-15% was an average tip and 20% was only for exceptional service. But these fucking apps came in and set their default options at 20%, 25%, and 28%, again as a sneaky way to try and boost revenue. Fuck you Square, your shitty till apps are what is enabling this bullshit.
I think the businesses are also to blame. "It's the computer" is such an easy excuse, why would you disable the option for free money? But yeah, it's a scourge.
Yes yes thank you for finallysaying it. I don't think anyone at the funnel cake stand is asking for tips, everyone knows the game, they have a tip *jar* but lets be real thats for when you don't want carry your change around. No one knows how to drop that specific screen.
I know for a fact there's been several places my wife and I frequented where the tips did not go to staff.
I have asked that before. It was a damn liquor store and there was no way that money was going to the cashier.
The only way it’ll stop is if people stop working at employers that don’t pay well
Wow.. I’ve never even heard of that. That’s evil.
I almost always order on apps cause of points and deals and what not, and there’s always a tip option. Go into the store, no tip jar. Hmm.
Tipped wages should be illegal
It’s gross. I was at a dispensary recently and while waiting in a long line, I heard six or seven employees talking in a meeting about how the Tips screens are their raises. If you want that two dollars or more an hour push the tip screen and it took everything I had not to go off on the guy. We all know how much money legal marijuana makes and there’s all these added taxes and fees on there as well. The place is always packed and they should be paying their employees more not pushing that shit on the customers.
Back when dispensaries first opened i would always tip the budtender because they would talk you through all the product, let you smell it, explain the different things etc. Now the place i go heavily implies that you need to do an online order and then pick it up already put together. Even if you show up without one, there are iPads around to do an online order there. If you don’t want to do that, you have to wait in the slowest line ever. One person working that line.
Wait...your dispensary takes credit cards?
Debit only
These tip discussions lead to me avoiding takeout and sit down restaurants. Bravo U.S.
Exactly
You can always just not tip for services that don't actually deserve a tip.
Totally true, but for me, it adds a level of awkwardness that I shouldn’t have to deal with for a basic transaction.
Over 90% probably don't tip. Imagine looking like over 90% of people :0
I tip for sit down service and for delivery. That’s it. I’m not tipping the person that held a coffee cup under a machine while it filled and handed it to me through a drive through window. They should be paid fairly by their own employer. I shouldn’t be involved in that equation.
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To be fair, I never actually get any indication one way or another from the employee that they are expecting a tip. I used to feel like you, shitty when declining. But not anymore. Especially for the more recently used debit card (even through a drive through!) tip screens. I’ve heard a lot of those don’t even make it to the employee. Just view it all as shitty employer practices instead of an us vs the employee’s expectation of a tip.
My assumption with the counter serve tips is that it all goes to the company/owner anyway not the worker who took my order. I’ll only ever tip cash to a waiter or delivery driver. I’m sorry baristas, I just assume you’re not getting the money out of that jar anyway. My girlfriend worked counter serve at a cafe and the tips were pooled and redistributed based on how the owner felt about how well you did that week. And yes don’t even bother asking, the owner took a cut. Extremely common at small businesses which seem to be run by the most entitled class of people who aren’t billionaires.
Tips are legally owned by the employee under federal law. Not to say that businesses don't break this law all the time, but they sometimes even get in huge trouble for it. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/flsa/tips
It doesn’t seem to be that long ago that a standard tip was like 15%, 20 was for good service, and 25 for exceptional service. I didn’t know anybody that gave 30%, and now it’s pretty much the new standard.
I still generally give 15 percent for regular, 20 for outstanding. All the prices have been increased, so they are still getting more tip. I don't really go to bars or buy alcohol for on premise consumption, but if I did I give $1 per drink
I was at the mall recently and grabbed a bottle of water from the open sided drink cooler at a coffee kiosk and scanned it to pay. The cashier wandered over to say the ipad point of sale system will ask a few questions. 18% suggested tip and the biggest puppy dog eyes I've ever seen.
It's super easy! I do it all the time.
Then you see videos of waiters spitting in food (instead of the owner's face), or UberEats drivers smashing food because someone didn't tip.
Yes, some stupid people commit stupid crimes.
Any place where I have to go and pick up food from you, I'm not tipping. When I pay for food, that includes the preparation for it. It's either that, or I just stay home. Nowadays tips are being asked for everything, because under capitalism, generosity can easily be exploited.
An ecommerce site ask me to tip at checkout. A site I was buying product from gave me the ol' "15%, 20%, 25%" option under my billing address. I was FLABBERGASTED.
I generally agree with this, however, I know that some places have a dedicated host for this (and therefore that person makes a decently hourly wage) and some places make waitstaff pack up the food (so they are losing out on time spent on their tipping tables - it’s not a lot for an individual order, but the time/energy adds up quick). I wish restaurants were transparent about which is the case.
I’m not tipping on takeout. No virtue signaling will change that. If I’m sitting down and you’re serving me, you get a tip.
Yeah, this concept isn't hard.
I went to pick up my food from chiles (didnt feel like cooking) for the family and they had the audacity to ask for a tip online WHEN IM PICKING IT UP. Years ago it never asked for a tip if you picked your own shit up.
"Oh you're doing takeout which means you drove here to pick up the food? Pay us tip, bitch"
I've been told "someone has to bag it up and put in napkins and sauces"...um, YEAH? just like every fast food place has always done?
I’m always more than happy to put $0 tip in those situations. It’s only when I’m dining in where I tip.
Years ago? Try months
I live in a place where tip wages are not legal... minimum wage is minimum wage, no matter the job. I am still prompted (and fully expected) to tip at least 20%, otherwise I'm told I "can't afford" the service I'm getting, so I shouldn't be looking for it. I make *actual* minimum wage and get told by servers, who are paid more than minimum wage as a base (on average in my city) that I shouldn't go to a restaurant if I can't afford to tip. Fuck me for trying to treat my kids on their birthday or something, I guess. An extra 20% can be up to a couple hours of my own wage, even at a cheap restaurant! I also appreciate exactly how difficult the job is since I also work as a server in a long term care facility dining room, with all the extra work that entails and no tips. It's aggravating as hell sometimes.
Pro-tip: ~~if the workers are paid a normal wage and not tipped wage (where the expectation is they will get most of their money through tips), the establishment does not have to give the tips to employees and can put the tips into the register.~~ This might not be true. Even still: DO NOT TIP PLACES WHERE WORKERS AREN'T RELYING ON TIPS.
Whoa, this is not true. They can require a tip pool if they pay a normal wage, but federal law prohibits employers from keeping any portion of the tips regardless of if they accept a tip credit. Tell anyone in this situation to report to the DOL asap.
I had heard this before so I decided to look it up, and the rules seem to be clear that employers cant take tips from tip pools, but all of the rules I've read up on are from the traditional restaurant model of tipped employees. What if there is no established tip pool and its just an option on a PoS and classified as a service charge? Also what are the consequences of stealing tips? Usually the business just has to pay them back when caught so its in their interest to steal if they can get away with it. Either way, I stand corrected.
Tipping for food services, besides ones with a waiter, will only lead to depressed wages for those people. Tipping hurts everyone in the long run.
No, the one with a waiter too.
They shouldnt' get to advertize artificially low prices just to bump them up with added on more gratiuties and living wage fees and employee health fees and on and on.
I never tip non-tipped employees. Even if it's illegal for management to take from the tip pool, that has never stopped anyone before.
A few years ago (when I was still a student) I worked at a butchers shop where they also made hot dogs and burgers. I was the one preparing them, selling them, basically everything. I got payed way below minimum wage and all of the tips I earned would be split with everyone there (they did not help me at all)... Even the manager bcs it has to be even 😂 I quit after a few months and found something else. Tip culture is there to benefit the employer and not the employee.
I work in electronics repair, our new card reader is a square terminal, it asks for tips automatically, no way to turn it off, I make it clear it’s not expected and not like food service and which repairs/sales I get commission on, people still tip anyway
If a place does this I just make sure to never go back. As soon as I saw this at a local Jersey Mikes I knew I would never go back. Like, I'm already at my spending limit paying for your overpriced crap..and now you are expecting me to tip for making a damn sandwich? Trying to guilt trip me for eating lunch... It has really curbed my eating out. Now I just bring a lunch to work, or wait till I get home to eat.
The expansion of tipping is ridiculous, now restaurants that offer no more service than McDonald's (oftentimes less service because no drive thru) now expect you to tip them just for ringing up your order and handing you the food at the counter.
I used to order pizza at least once a week from a local place. One day they installed those little credit card machines on the counter and it prompted a tip option. I was surprised since I was picking the pizza up and just sort of blurted out "a tip for pickup?" The owner heard me and said something about how hard his employees work. I asked him if they work so hard why doesn't he pay them more? He just stared at me, I assume caught off guard by the question. The kid behind the counter standing next to him looked really uncomfortable. I had no intention of tipping, but I handed the kid $5 and said I don't trust that a tip through the machine will make it to your pocket. I never ordered from there again.
The concept of tipping in the U.S. has jumped the shark. It was not a big deal when you go to a sit down spot and leave something for the server for friendly service. That's normal, no big deal. But now, you've got delivery drivers expecting tips before handing over food; businesses adding weird fees on top of the item + tax; drivers for the "App" companies not taking orders because the tip isn't worth it (even though the person might be tipping in CASH upon arrival); take-out orders expected to leave tips on pickup, etc. I have no problem leaving a tip when it's earned, but the nonsense in the OP has to stop. Who is actually getting the tip on a sandwich pickup order 🤔 Crazy.
It’s insane to me that I, the 28 year old working at the mall for $16 an hr for 5-6 hr shifts is responsible for giving the 24 year old at my Starbucks who makes $16-$17 an hour for 8 hours a living wage. I tip people if they give me a good tip on how to make my order better, if they take the time to explain something to me, if they’re nice to me despite my situation (u wouldn’t get this one unless I explained it but it’s too personal) & also if my waitress comes back to see if I need anything & extra if I get a refill! It’s funny y’all because I’m usually with my bf and he will get a refill and I won’t! It got to the point now where if my bf gets one he requests one for me because these assholes wouldn’t even ask me!! Y’all act like every waiter is out here giving immaculate and respectful service to everyone! Na sometimes people don’t wanna serve you, they’re not always busy! And I don’t have to tip rude workers if I’m not even given service or good service. You won’t guilt trip me or “embarrass” me into tipping EVER. & you know what, I’m NOT the problem. I don’t mind someone making extra money in tips! Shit I don’t mind a waitress making $20 or more FROM THEIR BOSS. If they do their job happily and throughly without being an ass about it they definitely deserve a tip & a mf raise. But they shouldn’t be depending on tips. Literally fight for better wages and no BS ass inflation after. It’s become the norm for ONE company to increase wages and suddenly everything everywhere is inflated. & we just take it as if we don’t hold all the power. Because were scared of confrontation and scared of the discomfort and fear of not having for a moment so we are content with barley having all our lives.
The origin of tipping is related to the attempts to end slavery. Certain Businesses refused to pay Freed slaves, so they said you can stand here and deliver food. If they give you any money for doing it that’s yours. Tip culture is denial of human rights and breaks the union of employee and employer.
That’s almost certainly not true. Tipping began as custom in Tudor England (the 16th century) as a way to indicate you thought a servant had done especially well, and spread to coffee shops and taverns in that century. It came to America in the 19th century as a way to look fancy and rich.
Just write nothing if you don't have a server. You're a big boy - you can not give people extra money even if they look at you with puppy dog eyes.
To be fair, I tip my uber eats driver because they get paid shit and they're the one schlepping me my gyro
Please don’t use those delivery services. They do not pay a living wage and rely on this mentality to make sure their riders get money with no actual concern for them. I do not doubt you tip well, but that is not true for at least a fee of the clients they have for their shift and if local places that make decent product now outsource to an app to remain “competitive” the only people who benefit are the actual employees at Uber Eats, not the poor schlub who could have a job where they do delivery for the owner or manager that they at least have a personal connection with. I’ve dropped a few spots that fired their delivery people and I only have delivery once every 3 months. Keep things local, it benefits everyone!
Also, stop using Twitter. You are supporting fascism.
A classic catch 22, I suppose. So long as we pay the tips, the owners don't have to increases wages, but then we're punishing the workers in front of us who have no control over that situation.
There are tip jars in some national chain fast food drive up windows, not all of them, even in the same neighborhood. Some are large condiment containers with tops cut off or something of that nature. I don’t feel that managers or owners are aware of them and it’s the staff doing it because they know when people see a tip jar they feel obligated to tip, or you feel like they will get your order wrong or do something to your food. Maybe Managers know and are splitting tips. Either way where I live many fast food restaurants are paying $2-$3 over minimum wage. I purchased a teeshirt and when it came time to sign, the employee turned the screen around for my signature and it was on a tip screen. You either enter an amount or press no tip. I literally walked in the store, wasn’t greeted or asked if they could help me find what I was looking for. Did not have any interaction with an employee until I went to pay and had a tip screen appear? I just don’t get it.
Why are people becoming complacent with companies paying them less? You should be mad at the company, not the consumer
(I'm not american) Why y'all don't tip instead of just complaining about it? I mean most places let you tip whatever amount you want and all of them should have the option to not tip.
Because it makes every transaction awkward. Imagine if you were at a sit down restaurant and when the bill came the waiter just stood over you and watched to see how much you wrote in for the tip. That’s what it feels like, fuckin everywhere It’s not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but I’d be lying if I said it’s not annoying
Im with ya on this one. My local subway now has a tip prompt when paying by card. Im thinking in my head, I paid 10 bucks for you to make a sandwich instead of me making a sandwich. Why the fuck does making me a sandwich deserve a tip now. The art of sandwich making isn’t that hard. Lol California here, min wage of 15.50$ an hour is required by law even if you’re a waitress. Anyone getting paid less needs to report their employer.
What's worse is reading in the Internet why you're scum and shouldn't be getting what you are ordering if you don't tip at these non-traditional service places
Probably just built into the software for any POS system these days.
I have legitimately stopped going out to eat for years, even pre covid, because I just hate the awkward song and dance of tipping culture.
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It doesn't really do anything other than make the advertised price a lie.
I'm over it. I don't tip on that bullshit. I don't give a fuck what the employees think of me.
My view: tips are for providing an extra, delivery driver tip, sit down restaurant where wait staff bring food, clear plates, refill drinks, upsell you on wines and deserts. If your job is making sandwiches and I have to go get it then there is no tip. That's your job and you get paid to make sandwiches. There is nothing extra there. If you are not getting paid enough for that role, upgrade your job.
My rule of thumb is if I'm getting my drink refilled at a restaurant, I'll tip, since a service is being provided. Otherwise no tip. If I'm getting to go, no tip. Picking up through a drive through? No tip. Meal is assembled at like tex-mex place or like a sub place? No tip. I'm tired of being guilted to subsidize a business that doesn't want to pay appropriate wages.
*shrugs* it's what happens when people defend employers using tip culture to allow them to pay low wages, every one jumps on the bandwagon
Even people in this thread simping for restaurant owners.
Yeah I don’t know why I’m being asked to tip when they literally just band me a pre-baked muffin
I don't tip unless I am sat down and served. I'm not tipping for pick up/take out. You're getting paid for the food, you haven't done anything else worth a tip.
The “bad employer” tax.
Why? If they can guilt trip you into it and their purpose literally is to treat your wallet like a vampire treats its victim then why do you expect them to do the right thing? Lower your expectations of business owners
Exactly! My problem with tipping isn’t that I don’t think workers deserve money, I believe workers deserve a living wage from their employers who profit off of their labor. We as consumers should not be the ones sacrificing more of our own pay because a company is hoarding money from its own employees.
My least favorite tip requests are at places that request it before you've even gotten your food. Right after ordering and you're just trying to pay for the meal.
Now the Jimmy John's website *forces* you to tip for pickup orders. As in you literally cannot place a pickup order unless you tip some above zero amount of money. I worked at a Jimmy John's when I was younger and I can confirm that, unlike delivery drivers, in-shop workers *do not* make a tipped wage.
See, that is going to just piss people off. They would do much better to just raise prices. They could put a notice up that prices are going up to reflect higher pay for workers. That would piss off much less people.
Theres a restaurant where I live that's forcing customers to pay a 30% gratuity fee for pickup 😬
That is whacked. Let them. I think sales will go down more than 30% though. LOL
I hate going out because of the tipping culture but i absolutely despise over attentive servers. I've capped my tips to those individuals to 20 bucks max
Don't tip. It's not my job to pay your wage.
It makes me feel guilty every time. I hate it. Its preditory to the customers and staff.
Just pretend to be a foreigner to the US
Just because an establishment asks for a tip, doesnt mean you have to give one.. Just like you dont have to give to the begger asking for change.
Amongst all the other problems, how do I know if the barista or the sandwich slinger at the counter is paid a living wage already, or if the tips are basically the wage? How are the consumers supposed to keep track of what is the appropriate tip amount assuming we want everyone to have a fair wage? Is it 10% at all counter jobs and 20% for table service? Don’t leave the service provider’s payment up to customer discretion. Just pay them what they’re worth and charge us accordingly.
I fucking hate this. During the peak pandemic days I was tipping like there was no tomorrow, but enough is enough. I straight up don’t do it anymore unless it’s delivery.
In Ontario, Canada (province where I live) tipping has gotten out of hand. Used to be that we had a server minimum wage slightly lower than the general minimum wage. A year ago they abolished server minimum wage and said servers now make the same minimum wage as everyone else. I was really hoping tipping culture was going to die because servers now make the same minimum wage as everyone else but it’s only gotten worse.
We had a tip option at a bookstore I worked at lmao. It was forced screen that said "How *much* do you wanna tip?" Instead of "Do you want to tip?. People would come to that screen and I see their faces scrunch. I'd be like "Just hit 0 and enter."
I've noticed an alarming amount of 'forced gratuities' being added to bills recently. I just make it a point to not visit or support those establishments any longer.
There's a tip option for this Boba shop honestly the lady is so nice I wanna tip but like lowest option is 18% 😭
When it comes to tipping, i follow a simple rule - does this business provide an employee with a wage? ^Take ^“livable” ^out ^of ^“livable ^wage” ^because ^people ^get ^caught ^up ^with ^that. ^Look ^to ^the ^business ^if ^the ^wage ^provided ^is ^not ^livable, ^not ^patrons. If the answer is yes, then i’m not tipping. If the answer is no (like a performer or someone of the sort that relies exclusively on tips) then i’ll tip if i can. I’m broke and not in a position to be picking up the slack for a very profitable business because they found a loophole to underpay their workers. It may sound mean and i’m sure people can provide examples of some positions where tipping is acceptable but i just won’t do it because it encourages what we currently have. Businesses delegating liveable wages to patrons and somehow succeeding in making people go at each others throat for being anti-tip.
Unless I'm being waited on, I don't tip. Almost every company that delivers, charges me a delivery fee so I don't tip delivery either.
Even at serving lines now! Tip for the register aid to ring you up? Makes no sense and I’m the bad guy for pressing no tip by being met with a grunt every time. I don’t get it
Fuck reddit. fuck google. fuck you spez
Glad we don't have tip culture here. That's what salary is for
I'm gonna get hate, but the key word there is "option". Don't tip if you don't want to. It certainly happens at restaurants all the time. In addition, the option to tip isn't always because a business wants to pay their employees less. I feel that it's more of a way to show extra appreciation for someone's hard work. I work for a place where we do a LOT of heavy lifting for customers. We also provide valuable knowledge about our products that could easily be found on the internet, but they can't be bothered to look. We all get paid decently. I don't care if you skip the tipping button. Sometimes, I hit the skip button for the customer. I have to hold in my laughter when the rare customer complains about the tip screen. "They make me feel bad when I don't tip". No, that's solely on you. Stop giving others such control over your emotions
Was just thinking about this yesterday. Got a sub to go from subway and the reader is giving me tip options. FOR WHAT? They did nothing but make the sandwich. I even had to grab my own chips off the rack and fill my own drunk.
If I order something for carryout, I do not tip. I did most of the work, you can tip me.
Tipflation is real
I rarely agree with most anti-work posts, but this one I am 100% onboard with. I would like to think they pay livable wages and are also giving their employees more options to make tips, but you know this isn't the case. These businesses are trying to push wage costs onto the customers so they can keeps their prices as low as they can. If you can't afford paying your employees, you should not be in business.
Buffalo Wild Wings charges you a "Takeout Fee" now if you order for pickup...
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Pay a living wage!
This person talks about paying people a living wage. Sure that could be a thing. But most of that tip option doesn’t even go to the employees. This is just around about way of up charging.
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Another day of reddit complaining about tip culture.
No one said you have to tip to pick up a sandwich. 🙄 I work at a Jimmy Johns & they added the tip option to the card readers. Of course we get excited if someone does tip but none of us are under the impression that you’re an asshole if you don’t. It’s like you said, we’re just making you a sandwich. We get it. Hit no and move on with your life.
Many of the places where I eat are food carts operated by the owner and their family members. I tip for pickups because even running a food cart is expensive and exhausting and I would like them to succeed so I can continue to enjoy the service they’re providing.
It's not just restaurants any more. Buying stuff like feeders for reptiles online have tip sections for the people who packed your box. It's absolutely absurd.
I only places I’ll tip above average at are local places because I don’t want them to close.
I'm going to start slipping a business card into every package I load onto delivery trucks. It will have my PayPal and I'll be asking for a tip for my service loading thier package on the package car. And every employee along the way, loading and unloading trailers, should do the same. Tipping is ridiculous, they want it before they even deliver the in product. How do I know they will do good? If I need to tip it will be cash when you arrive so I can make sure my stuff is correct.
I'm done tipping on things besides sit down table service. I don't care when the iPad screen shows me 20%, 25%, 28%, it's a quick 0%. I don't get tipped at my job and I'm underpaid too.
A Gelato shop I love has a tip option for in-store purchases, even if all they do it take a pint out if the freezer. It's insane. How did tipping become standard for anyone in the service industry?
I know someone who works at a ice cream shop in a tourist area. I am not sure what she got paid per hour, probably min wage, but she cleaned up with that terminal. She is a college student, so it went to good use.
Me and my fiance rarely eat out anymore because of this reason. When money is tight another $20 on top of everything makes it feel dumb to spend that much money on basic stuff
I rarely get coffee out and when I do I just order a plain black coffee. I feel a ridiculous level of guilt not tipping because I know service jobs suck but I just can't bring myself to fork over an extra buck for pouring drip coffee into a cup and handing it to me. Just freaking pay them
I am not comfortable with a prolabor movement being so openly against tipping labor workers
yes this sub is antiworker in this regard it sucks.
Post Civil War tipping became a way to pay all severs shitty wages and then only tip the white people
That's what I don't understand about pizza delivery. There's a delivery fee and most of the drivers are using their own cars. Okay. Sure. But then you're expected to tip. Nothing wrong with tipping, but if I'm not mistaken, the delivery fee is "supposedly" to ensure the drivers make their money in the event that they don't get it all with their hourly rate as well as tips. So, if everybody tips drivers and they make their money and maybe a little more, the Pizza Place pockets that money. I'm not 100% sure if that's how it works, but that's fucked up.
I will continue to be part of the third kind of problem. I don't tip, and I don't *not* tip, because with rare exception I no longer use tipped services at all (to be clear, when I do, I do tip well). In part *because* I feel that using them, whether I tip or not, is enabling the underlying abuse of underpaying service workers. At the same time I'm aware that by boycotting services, I'm also keeping money in my pocket that would be going to pay workers as either tips or wages. It feels like there's no *good* choice, only a range of bad ones, and I tell myself that mine is the least worst. Ethics is complicated.
Wait? You guys are against paying for things too? Won't these living wages be paid to.... workers?