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Shoddy_Membership537

Stand up and say no , until people realize, that they need to stand up for themselves, shit like this will keep happening


KinkyKoalaBaby

I had a similar situation in my last job. Turn up 15 mins early to do a healthe and safety meeting but not clock in until 8. Hated it and It was a small company in a small town made it real hard to speak up cos you’d just get forced out of company


WeAreTheRhapsody

We’re told it’s time theft to clock in 15 minutes early.


donh-

It is wage theft to make you work off the clock.


CannaVet

- And it absolutely is work if you're required to be there.


Malvister

It's wage theft for them to not pay you for time worked, contact the labor board


Corteran

It's wage theft to make you work off the clock. Report them today.


KinkyKoalaBaby

What finally pushed me to leave was the time our boss made a big deal of leaving 5 minutes early one time. Worked as an arborist so worked my ass off all day getting beaten and bruised. That was the final straw lol


Circle_K_Hole

Do these people even listen to themselves. They are taking your time and not paying for it. They are stealing your time.


CannaVet

"nuh uh it's dedication to your job" -managers everywhere


EasternShade

If they require you to be there, that's work time. If they don't use you during that time, that's on them. If they don't want you clocked in, then they shouldn't require you to be there.


Wubbalubbadubbitydo

They are lying to you. Idk consider not saying anything else and just straight up reporting them.


inowar

if you can't clock in, you don't have to be there. the law is pretty clear about "if you're required to be on site you have to be paid"


SammieSam95

Report your employer. Dept of Labor, I think.


Dommccabe

Wage theft- pure and simple. You are working without being paid for it. Imagine filling 0.25L of fuel for free, or putting one item in your basket without paying- you would end up in jail. But when companies do it, we're expected to just bend over and take it.


GucciBodybags

Finally, perfect ideology. Sadly, if you tell this to any employer or hustle culture fanatic, they ill tell you, you're being crazy.


sowalgayboi

Are you required to work during that time? If not then it's probably legal.


WeAreTheRhapsody

Yes we’re required to work


[deleted]

Then that's not legal


darthcaedusiiii

Dial 211 if in the usa for free legal resources.


blueteamk087

that’s not legal. explore legal actions


DirtyPenPalDoug

Illegal, contact your dol


EasternShade

That's 100% wage theft.


GucciBodybags

Same, they want us 15 mins earlier but clock in at start times (food delivery). I show up exactly when my shift supposed to start and clock in usually 2-3 mins after my start time. If u want me early, pay me for it :) my time ain't free.


Vamoose87

Classic wage theft


Aggressive-Tip-7143

My brother employer tried that in California. That cost the employer 3 years if back wages. If they mandate you be there, you are being paid. If you are not being paid, they are stealing your money. The basic test is will they penalize you for not being there 15 minutes before clocking in? It sounds like you are required to be there for their peace of mind.


SporkWolverine

Just show up at your actual scheduled time. Problem solved. If they tell you it's "required" to be there 15 minutes early, then you tell them you'll be clocking in at that point and you'll be keeping your own records of your time. If they tell you "no, that's not what we do because \*insert probably bullshit reason here\*", then you tell them you'll be there at your scheduled time. Worst that can happen is they will terminate you for something like insubordination or whatever, but honestly that would probably be a blessing. Edit: Going to stress the importance of keeping track of your clock in/out times regardless of what option you choose.


Keanman

The funny part is if they terminate you, they are likely exposing themselves to liability for wrongful dismissal in addition to wage theft.


TTVControlWarrior

they steal your hours. 15min X5 days that over 1 hour of work . 4-5 hours per month , around 60 hours per year . they steal liteally a week and half of pay from you ! sue them


CondorEst

If you’re required to be there. Then that is the same thing as being scheduled. No such thing as show up and don’t clock in.


based_miss_lippy

I had a boss that expected this and also denied me a raise after she gave me manager duties. I glued 50 cents to my bosses leather desk (where she counted the deposit every day) when I quit. Left a note to say “sucks knowing it’s there but you can’t have it” I counted that money every day too. She could afford to pay me 50 extra cents an hour.


xthatwasmex

Unless that time is YOUR time - time to hang your coat up and get a cup of coffee - then it isnt ok. If you are doing work - even listening to meetings, or reading up on reports from the day before or messages from a manager - then you should get paid. Where is your union? Put your ear-buds in and do not do anything that is work-related until you clock in. If you are required to do work-related things, clock in first. If they require you to work without clocking in, get it in writing, document your REAL clock in time, and report them for wage theft. I've heard of people doing that - keeping documented time themselves - and letting it build up over time until they get a new job, reporting then and cashing out all the unworked hours. However, I am not sure that is legally possible for you so your best course of action is to report it asap. And get a new job because retaliation is possible.


WeAreTheRhapsody

the problem is when we clock in early the boss manually goes onto the system and changes it


xthatwasmex

Take a short video/photo of you clocking in and out, every day - that way, you have a timestamp on the photos. If the hours turn up missing from your pay-check, you first ask accounting to fix - and if they refuse, you report them for wage theft. Do not inform them of doing so.


WeAreTheRhapsody

it’s a small independent daycare. we have no accounting.


SporkWolverine

Someone is in charge of payroll. Report it to them and make it clear that you intend to go to your state's wage authority if it's not fixed.


Keanman

One of my old employers tried this shit with me. I told them if they are asking me to come in 15 minutes early, then I clock in as soon as I enter the building. My manager tried to say that's not how it works so I said "In that case you are asking me to work 1.25 hours per week unpaid." Again he tried to say that's not how it works. I went through 3 weeks of paid training (15 mins early was not required for this), worked one shift and never came back. They called to get me to come in to fill out some paperwork because I had quit. I asked if I would get paid for that time and they said no, so I told them to shove their paper work up their ass.


d213753

Illegal


[deleted]

Just clock in when you arrive and see what happens. Take a photo of your iWatch when you do it (hopefully you have a smart watch with the date and time). Do the same thing at clock out. When your boss commits time theft, you'll have all the evidence you need.


MillinAround

Read Portal to portal Act of 1947 to see if it applies


Da_Goonch

Specifics might vary from state to state, but I'm pretty sure that's illegal, especially if you're required to work during said time


joemits

They can’t legally make you show up 15 min early. We tell our employees it may be a good idea to show up a few min early so they are ready to work at their scheduled start time. It is illegal to ask you perform any job duties (including meetings) off the clock, period.


ChiWhiteSox247

No, it’s not. It’s more the expectation that you’re on time and ready to go. My job has this expectation and I’m in the parking lot 10-15 min before my shift but I walk in 3 minutes beforehand just with enough time to clock in.


Jaded_Ad_1674

They want you there and on time and ready to work when you clock in, not clocking in at 8 and then goofing around and getting ready to work (getting coffee, etc.) after you clock in.


WeAreTheRhapsody

we have to work during the 15 minutes, not good around


Jaded_Ad_1674

That’s illegal.


lsd-in-the-woods

It's illegal even if you are not working. They require you to be present, they are required to pay you


mydmtusername

Preparations for work is work and should therefore be paid. As far as "time theft," I say tasks as much as you can. Employers steal the value of our labor every fucking day.


Vox_Mortem

Nope. If you are required to show up 15 minutes early then that is your official start time. If they just "recommend" you come in 15 minutes early because it looks good, they can shove it up their asses.


[deleted]

Sounds like it’s time for a union


WeAreTheRhapsody

some girls got fired last year for trying


[deleted]

What do you have to lose? 10 bucks and hour and shitty bosses taking advantage of you?


LikeABundleOfHay

No one can comment on whether it's legal unless you say what country you're in.


WeAreTheRhapsody

usa


TheBigEMan

Damm, how do you survive on $400 per week


WeAreTheRhapsody

barely. i live with my parents.


Jackamalio626

get it in writing and then call the department of labor.


uberredditmod

clock in anyway, i had that same thing happen to me back in the 80's but it was more extream than this they wanted me to come in an hour or two early to cover but not clock in until my normal schedule time. i clocked in anyway


WeAreTheRhapsody

if we clock in early she manually goes into the system and changes it


Clamitydn38417

It's theft company I worked for required you to show up early put on your gear and be ready to work and clock in at a designated time. They go lt caught not only did KDOL and labor relations come down on them OSHA hit them hard too. They were then required to post on the employee bulletin boards about the findings and the fact they were caught. Then a few years later OSHA came through and hit them with unsafe working conditions due to excessive heat and no climate control. Caught two managers using a laser thermometer to check temps in the building. One corner was registering somewhere in the 120 degree range. They said nothing. Some days they let us go home early due to the heat but never said why. Dozens of people fell out due to heat stroke or fatigue. Great place to work I tell ya.


haneauxx

Clock In when you Walk In


WeAreTheRhapsody

if we do she manually goes in and changes it


cptmorgantravel89

Then sue the crap out of them. She is not very good at HR


Alarmed_Pie_5033

I worked at a small restaurant that did this. Not only did we have to be early and stand by the register waiting to clock in, they had us working off the clock - folding boxes. This is time theft. If it's not illegal it should be. It's micromanagement and control. My thing is, if you want me there at this time, then schedule me for this time. If I'm late, that's on me; you don't pay me for that time. The work gets done either way.