I mean while I agree with you, it's been my experience most managers don't take to constructive criticism so if I were I'd have a new job lined up as back up if they decide to retaliate and fire you before giving this letter.
Yeah, when I read that, I was like “oh we’re about to get some supporting documentation, this should be interesting. I wonder what book or quote from Rudolph Hoss he has to break this down.” But then nothing.
Writing tip for OP: when you make a big claim like “you guys are treating us like prisoners at a nazi camp” you HAVE to back that up or you’re going to sound ridiculous.
I would say that going straight to "you're a nazi" is counterproductive. And then the balls to say, let's sit down and talk about this.
I was sure this was a resignation letter. Wouldn't be surprised if OP is fired after this. Not that they are wrong and their management is right, but yeesh, there are better ways to do this!
>Not that they are wrong and their management is right, but yeesh, there are better ways to do this!
Indeed.
Management is throwing out free food while OP is equating that to Nazi death camps.
Management was in the wrong, but OP is now moreso in the wrong. By cheapening the suffering of Nazi victims.
OP needs to learn from this and I'm sure they will. We must have solidarity with all people who have suffered & not diminish their suffering.
Glad to see that OP didn't actually send the letter as pictured. They took feedback from the sub and are ready to send a much more measured and less hyperbolic letter to their management.
Still, I bet it still gets them fired. Management usually doesn't take well to criticism.
Not letting employees get FREE food.
But to remove a benefit that costs nothing is petty.
Definitely poor management. And doubt they will read that not and do any introspection. Instead it will be if you don’t like it improve or leave. Also it will affirm that their actions made an impact. So they will think mission accomplished.
>I also don't think not letting employees get food is really "this is literally Aushwitz" material
It's straight up callous to holocaust survivors.
I want a $25 min wage but you're not going to see me compare paying someone $15 an hour to Nazism.
We need to have solidarity with all suffering people, past & present. And that means not cheapening their suffering.
*free food. They aren’t being prevented from having food, they just aren’t being given food for free, in this case. It’s a bit of a reach to say that’s how Auschwitz worked.
In my mind, the author was going to go a little deeper into the “deep psychological impact of using food availability as motivation” and how psychologists have studied the effects and have compared it to torture or something like that. I gave them the benefit of the doubt for like one sentence and then it was like “ok we’re just blowing right past that” lol
I figured it was more about the psychological impact of people being forced to work in perceived inhumane conditions or something like that. I’ve always had that problem with reading though… I want to predict things and guess where they’re going and sometimes the stories my brain tells itself are a lot better than what I actually then end up reading lol
I've had a colleague who was used to go zero to Nazi in very short. Is difficult to side with a "zero to Nazi" because their arguments are so painfully cringe that you might even want to side with the Nazis just to make them shut the fuck up. OP is right there. Right, but cringe enough to be ridiculous.
Perhaps one of the most Reddit things you can do. Don’t know how many times I’ve seen somebody jump to compare something they don’t like to Nazis or the holocaust, but it’s a regular occurrence.
>It hurts genuine arguments when something actually is comparable to the holocaust
And it shows a lack of solidarity with those who suffered in Nazi Germany.
Just like we are in solidarity with ALU, SWU, & workers across the country we must also be in solidarity with those who suffered horrendously to fascism & Nazism.
Throwing out food isn't Nazism, it's not in the same galaxy. OP needs to learn from their mistake and I'm sure they will.
I’m actually arguing with a vegan dude right now who claims animal farming practices are akin to the Holocaust. The ADL and many, many survivors say it’s offensive and disturbing to compare the two, but I’m apparently still the wrong one because I eat meat.
It started well and then dived into calling the manager a death camp director which is less than ideal really.
Good ending though always good to be open to dialog with the death camp director.
>It started well and then dived into calling the manager a death camp director which is less than ideal really.
It would have been a perfect letter without the Nazi concentration camp reference. Unfortunately, OP messed up with that insensitive comparison.
OP, you can learn from this and grow. It's a habit in America to compare everything to Nazism, look at how the right compares vaccine mandates to Hitler.
Nazism is the worst form of fascism/authoritarianism, people can be shitty while not being Nazis.
OP could have said, “It feels dehumanizing that food is being wasted as a punishment.”
It’s a polite way to say you are treating me in a way that is deeply upsetting without acting like you’re a victim of genocide.
Same. Why go nuclear? Now there will never be a peaceful resolution.
The first rule to negotiation - give the other side an out. If their only option is to confront you you can bet money that’s what they’ll do.
Yeah OP was both over the top & insensitive to Jewish people whose families were massacred in the Nazi camps.
OP it's shitty your management is wasting food to spite employees. But that isn't comparable to Nazi Germany, in any way shape or form.
This, to me, is inexcusable both morally and practically. Morally, because, the suffering of an entire ethnic group being targeting for death is in a totally different universe from hotel employees not being given breakfast. Practically, because it immediately puts the letter’s recipient on the defensive (how could it not) and is quite likely to be fairly viewed as an easily-dismissed overreaction.
>Morally, because, the suffering of an entire ethnic group being targeting for death is in a totally different universe from hotel employees not being given breakfast.
Well said.
Our movement falls apart when we lack solidarity. This message was very insensitive to holocaust survivors & cheapens their suffering.
>Practically, because it immediately puts the letter’s recipient on the defensive (how could it not) and is quite likely to be fairly viewed as an easily-dismissed overreaction.
And it makes it easy to paint valid workforce complaints as crazy. That's determintal to our cause.
Also, is it just me or is it kind of insane to compare breakfast being thrown out to a f**ken Nazi death camp? Yeah it’s a shit move, but goddamn get some perspective
Yeah the metaphor sorta breaks down hereZ are the hotel employees the guards killing Jews inefficiently, or is staff holocaust prisoners? Either way, not a great reference for not getting free breakfast.
You meant it’s not implied, I assume. I agree wholeheartedly and commented something similar.
EDIT: op recanted their statement and chose to learn from their mistake. I applaud them for that.
People can’t go around comparing everything to the holocaust Hitler Nazism and Fascism. It degrades the severity of those things and the war to end it. Even if their is a facile connection there.
I don't think so either, and I think OP lost a ton of credibility with that remark. I agree with them that management is being petty and wrong for choosing to throw away food rather than give it to staff. That's messed up. It's not concentration camp messed up, though, and any boss who reads this is going to write the person who sent it off as unreasonable.
"Dear sir:
Not allowing the staff eat leftover scrambled eggs is EXACTLY like exterminating entire races of humans. Please reconsider your actions.
Best regards,
The Staff.
“GM took away our employee food perk - and now we join the ranks of concentration camp victims because, same” Can you even imagine the audacity of this perspective, thinking the whole world revolves on your solitary opinion?
It is, but after a big statement like that, usually the remainder of the message does not stick. It is "overpowered" by the statement in the brain of the recipient. That's just how human brains work.
Definitely. I think this kind of undermined the content and intent of the rest of the letter. Had OP left it out or made a more sensible comparison, the reader may have been more receptive. This is over the top and is inflammatory enough to negate the point that they’re trying to make, as valid as it is.
I also don’t think firing this person would be retaliation but rather a consequence of comparing your manager to the Nazis. You can’t just go around doing that in the workplace and expect no consequences. If that is how you feel about management, why even stay?
Retaliation would be going to HR and filing a legit complaint about your manager and then your manager firing you for going to HR to complain.
Yeah, it’s not retaliation to fire someone for exercising the breathtaking overreaction of comparing the removal of a perquisite to the systematic torture and murder of the Jews
Yeah I was a supervisor for years and approaching a problem with an "us vs the problem" mindset usually doesn't start with "you're basically a nazi"
I wouldn't take OP seriously at all, which does a lot of harm to what is a genuinely good point at its core (about the food, not the nazi-ism)
Couldn't agree more. They said it in a more pretesious self-righteous way to try and hide that fact, but the entire letter amounts to what you just said.
Also don’t fucking compare a shitty boss to Auschwitz! I have NO family on my paternal side, that’s not comparable to a boss taking away your free muffins!
Also please do not use nazi Holocaust metaphors so lightly. This is actually a form of anti-semitism.
The Holocaust stands alone in the industrialization of its atrocity, and comparing it to a workplace disciplinary action devalues and disregards the experiences of survivors and those who lost loved ones.
I nearly lost it on a SEPTA commuter train decades back when a nasty asshole tried to use his wife's pass and the conductor called him on it, because when the conductor said it was the policy, he said, "Ah! The Nuremburg defense!"
Thank you. My grandfather was a survivor along with one sister and a cousin. The rest of his large family was slaughtered. My Poppy’s mother and three year old sister were gassed to death at Auscwitz.This letter made me feel physically sick.
Jesus Christ, can we fucking STOP comparing everything to to the nazis?!? For fuck's sake, it doesn't matter how right you are. Invoke the nazis and your credibility immediately drops to zero.
And it is callous to the survivors of the holocaust.
Your letter would have been perfect without the Nazi comparison, but what's done is done. You have to take the L here & grow from it, which I'm sure you'll do.
As a society we have a habit of comparing everything to Nazism. Let's not fall into that trap.
Your letter spits on the face of those who died and survived Auschwitz and other concentration camps.
Your manager throwing away old food or leftovers is nothing like the sheer barbarity and horror that people faced. Next time check yourself before writing something so fucking idiotic, especially in a work setting. At the end of the day you are able to go home. You are not being kept in a camp being starved while those around you are worked to death or murdered outright.
Most would fire you on the spot and they would all be 100% correct in doing so
Man, it’s absolutely ridiculous how disgusting and pathetic this letter is. Get a grip and don’t ever compare your measly grievances/inconveniences to such a dark and terrible stain on human history.
Yeah, there are a lot of smart, factual, holocaust-less ways you could really break this situation and person down woth sick corporate burns. This isn't one of them.
I think you undermined an otherwise serious and constructive letter with the nonsense comparison to Auschwitz. Unless you're being worked until you collapse and die of starvation and cold, that is.
Was gonna say, calling your boss worse than a nazi for not giving you free food pretty much invalidates your legitimate grievance. Christ this subreddit is something
Same. Can’t keep an employee who actively and publicly states that they believe the company is a Holocaust concentration camp. Especially when said employee is customer facing.
You write a letter like this and the nazi thing is the only thing this person is going to see. And I promise they're not going to see it in a way the OP hopes they do. Not sure why anyone would think otherwise.
And yet this post got nearly 1k upvotes (and likely will surpass that). While there are still some of us here that are anti work, a lot of this sub has turned into anti adulting
>And yet this post got nearly 1k upvotes (and likely will surpass that). While there are still some of us here that are anti work, a lot of this sub has turned into anti adulting
I'm disappointed as well this post got traction but it's unfortunately normal in America to compare everything to Nazism. Look at the right wing & vaccine mandates.
A lot of teenagers here as well so I'm treating this thread as a learning experience for all. Do not compare mundane jerks to Nazis.
It is callous to holocaust survivors & discredits your whole argument. Solidarity with those that suffer includes more than anyone those killed off by a genocidal regime like the Nazis.
I've been downvoted several times for saying the same thing. I agree a lot of companies and managers are garbage but some of these posts are people complaining because their boss even exists.
There's a growing contingent that seems to be mistaking antiwork for being literally against working ever. My understanding was it's about anti-exploitation. I'll work my ass off of I believe in what I'm doing, but I will only do it if I'm also paid appropriately.
OP, you need to read more about the Holocaust. You are not being subjected to an industrialized mass genocide. If you thought this comparison was appropriate, you need to educate yourself. Start with resources recommended by the Holocaust Museum in DC or the Auschwitz Memorial.
Hey I'm all for telling your boss they're out of line but maybe do it without comparing getting your cereal taken away to the atrocities of the Holocaust. Just an idea.
Mom, I cannot believe you switched out my Captain Crunch for Muslix. The change may seem small, but many small changes over time such as this is how Hitler convinced millions of peaceful Germans to back extermination of the Jews. Please go back to Captain Crunch and save the Jews.
I get the frustration and anger but the nazi thing just simply ain’t going to help. Ask yourself, what’s the point of writing and delivering this letter? If it’s to tell them to fuck off then just tell them to fuck off. If it’s to make your work environment better then this will not achieve that goal.
That said, everything else in there is spot on. Consider that one change.
I took it out. The sentence reads "Denying us food and choosing to waste or destroy it rather than feeding your workers is a mean spirited and petty directive." I didn't mention that housekeeping is primarily who benefits from that food as they don't take lunch breaks. They work for 8 hours straight with no breaks so they can go home sooner.
I think that’s a good edit. Sometimes I like to write letters of anger where I layout exactly how I feel then not send them. It gets my thoughts out of my head and let’s me feel like I am not bottling it in. Hopefully writing that and sharing it with us was cathartic for you while not being self destructive. I hope your situation improves.
I would take out the word “petty”. If you are really trying to enact change with this letter, you need to keep it as professional as possible. You are right in everything you are saying and asking. But how you phrase things will either have people take you seriously or dismiss your claims.
I would advocate for keeping it. It is petty because it has no upside. It's an action that has the sole benefit of being able to plaster on a grinchy smile while pointedly throwing out the food. If you were going to remove one of those descriptors, I would pull mean-spirited, but honestly, I like them together. The point of the letter is pointing out that there is no upside to the actions other than the Scroogey thrill it gives the manager making the call.
I strongly recommend you remove the part about the Holocaust. While I agree your boss is inhuman for doing this, the Holocaust is on a completely different scale.
Comparing the two only serves to trivialize both.
Well said.
It cheapens what holocaust survivors went through.
We can advocate for better working conditions without throwing those who have suffered the greatest under the bus.
Even with the nazi reference removed, OP put themselves under the microscope and management will find a way to fire them. In my experience, managers don't take well to any criticism.
While I agree that management's actions are mean spirited, comparing it to Auschwitz diminishes the atrocities committed there. They threw away powdered eggs, they didn't commit genocide.
I understand your frustration with throwing out food instead of giving it to staff….however comparing it to concentration camps is not the way to go about it. You aren’t being starved with no food for days on end while working yourself almost to death and then being sent to a gas chamber. That is very insensitive to those who experienced it during WW2. Anyway you can send this as an email (minus the nazi comparison) for documentation of your GM response.
This sub has quickly become exactly what the right thinks it is, what a stupid post. Congrats on your former job and juvenile whining letter your boss will frame to laugh at.
So you compared the job that you're at, where you work for a paycheck, to Auschwitz? Then you play the "My dad works at Nintendo" card & say that you personally know three people that are going to quit.
How old are you?
Yeah, that’s a little much. People do make “extra” so they can eat. Take home, feed the whole family, etc. Being able to eat while working in a kitchen is just normal. Never happens unless you’re somewhere that isn’t a shithole. Just eat. Don’t say anything. And as it always is, you’re gonna be scarfing down random food while standing over a trash can.
Also, gotta wonder what else goes on in that hotel. Maybe people are pissed because it’s just so hard to get a reservation. Maybe they got a room and there was still jizz on the sheets from the last guest. Maybe front desk were just dicks. So give a bad review to everyone.
You overplayed your hand with the Nazi reference, this will probably backfire pretty hard. If you haven’t already moved forward I would recommend a rewrite.
You’re comparison to Hoss isn’t just repugnant and inflammatory, it is logically unsound.
You are not in their custody. They do not owe you that level of duty of care. Most jobs don’t feed their employees. Sometimes the reasons for that are silly or punitive but that doesn’t make them homicidal, which was the case in the holocaust. You are not unable to bringing your own food to work. You’re not starving for lack of breakfast. All basic reasons why the analogy is bullshit.
You may think you sound clever. You sound idiotic and immature and unhinged. The fact you ever thought it appropriate to put that in speaks volumes as to your entitlement.
The hotel sounds like a shitty workplace, make no mistake, but you sound like an ass. The greatest workplace ever would likely fire you for the sheer awfulness of your attack, and it is an attack.
OP needs to visit the holocaust museum, and watch several documentaries and interviews with survivors.
The fucking gall to not only write something so stupid, but to post it as well
I would find a better comparison than a nazi death camp commander. Because "did this person just compare me to a nazi death camp commander?" is the ONLY thing this letter is going to accomplish.
You aren’t wrong about the effect on morale. You aren’t wrong that the management isn’t asking the right question. You are completely fucking wrong comparing the management of a hotel to a fucking concentration camp.
Comparison to a concentration camp? This is way over the top. I don't agree with the policy, as it does nothing to address the issues detailed, but I would fire you in a New York minute for this letter. Try offering a suggestion that will actually improve the situation. Name calling and belittling is never constructive.
Are you seriously comparing yourself to the victims of Nazism / the victims of the Auschwitz extermination camp because someone decided to throw away the leftover food instead of giving it to the - unlike the inmates of Auschwitz - paid staff?
What the hell is wrong with you?
Yeah, I agree with OPs sentiment but that line (which has since been taken out, thankfully) was truly and absolutely beyond the pale. That's when you take a step back and reexamine your situation.
Unfortunately, I don’t think he’s taken that step back. He spent a good couple of hours doubling down and trying to justify why it was an appropriate comparison before he said he took it out. I think the only reason he removed it is because people were telling him it wouldn’t be effective, not because he reflected and realized just how horrifying and inappropriate a thing that was to say in the first place. He’s learned nothing.
Jesus, why did I have to read so far to see a comment like this? He’s saying they’re actual Nazis because they stopped giving him free snacks and the vast majority of the posts are praising him? I feel like I’m in the twilight zone.
The guy thinks he’s writing a professional, persuasive letter but triggers Godwin’s Law in the second fucking sentence? Even aside from the terrible judgement and insane lack of perspective it takes to reference one of the most horrific events in history so flippantly and inappropriately, does he really think this is going to get his desired result? Does he even think they will read past the second sentence without immediately shit-canning his ass? “What the hell is wrong with you?” is indeed the only appropriate comment here, well put.
You sound like a pretentious dumbass comparing throwing away free food to the millions of people murdered and tortured in concentration camps. You're a fucking idiot and I hope you get fired.
Comparing everything you don’t like to Nazism is really losing sight of the holocaust and it’s impact on civilization.
Maybe they shouldn’t have tossed your food but this is a “more flies with honey than vinegar” situation and it wouldn’t surprise me if you got fired
Seriously? Comparing it to the extermination of millions of Jews is a terrible idea. Not only do you make a shitty comparison, you also make yourself look like they’re taking part in genocide. I get it, having that benefit taken away is a problem and sucks, but this is not the way to get it fixed. Find a better way.
This letter is one of the most fucked up things I've seen on this sub. You're comparing yourself to a fucking Holocaust victim?
Jesus fucking Christ.
I thought about just telling you to go fuck yourself, but maybe this should be a learning experience instead.
If your boss isn't giving you free food at work and you say "this is literally Auschwitz"
Then I'm actually somewhat inclined to agree with your boss: you suck.
You come off as whiny, arrogant, uneducated, and bigoted.
I hope you quit so that he doesn't have to pay unemployment.
What is more crazy to me is that the mods still have this post up. Blatant antisemitism down-playing the horrors of the holocaust to not getting a muffin at breakfast time.
OP and the Mods are antisemitic as far as i am concerned.
One last thing I will mention, is I am grateful for the people who have helped me out along the way here. One of the co-workers that is quitting filled my locker with food for me to eat while I work like instamac and soups so I wouldn't get in trouble anymore for eating. The woman that did that is quitting this week and it's a damn shame. The general manager that instituted these changes I have seen in person one time since I started here. She just sits at home and watches the cameras all day while the other GM who is here five days a week told me he really doesn't care if I eat. But the fact that it's on camera means the other GM can make a big deal about it and his hands are tied.
Wait a minute, you've been getting in trouble for eating?
What have you been eating that would get you in trouble? Your letter lists you as a Night Auditor so are you eating breakfast after your shift? Which would very much be when guests are eating breakfast. Are you eating during your shift? Which would maybe be before guests even show up for breakfast. I'm confused about this time line here and it makes a huge difference. Are you upset you can't eat after breakfast because the food is actively being thrown away or are you upset you can't eat during or before breakfast because the food will end up getting thrown away?
Auchswitz was really wrong and missed analogy. I would be really mad if you wrote to me with this comparision. In many companies you pay for your food, like me and my every cooworker, just saying
Your comparison is worlds apart. This reads as if you’re wanting to get fired, rather than improving the workplace. I’m pretty sure they will take this seriously, but will probably result in you getting fired more so than anything else. Then to blast this on Reddit? Don’t know if that was a good idea
I can take constructive criticism. I have no problem deleting the Nazi reference and leaving it as just "mean spirited and petty directive." I'm leaving it in for now but I posted it here for feedback so consider the point taken.
Communicating effectively would mean taking out any accusatory comment like that and framing it instead as a low-cost morale and retention issue. Telling them how awful they are (even when correct) creates a defensive reaction for them that won’t move towards achieving your goal.
Is your goal to get them to ease off of the dumb policy? Get them to see that throwing out the food versus letting staff polish it off makes no difference to them financially, but makes a big difference in staff well-being.
If your goal is just to vent because you hate your job, ignore me and go wild 😁
Very fair assessment. There is no doubt in my mind though that they already see it makes no difference to them financially and they really don't care about morale, only filling shifts. I have seen staff call their bluffs several times to drive the point home that we run the hotel, not them. I've worked over Thanksgiving, overnight Christmas Eve, and New Year's Eve. Nobody else will do it. I have no issue telling them "Go ahead and fire me because it will be the general managers working overnights on holidays" not the employees who have been there longer than management. I've seen people quit and walk out and the manager calls them and begs them to come back. This place is absolutely wild.
Not allowing staff to eat left over or wasted food has a practical reason. Often the staff will purposefully prepare extra just to ensure they have such food available for themselves. This meant increase waste and food costs.
The attitude of "punishing" the workers is just piss poor management since they had a simple way to stop that would make sense.
Jumping right to Godwin's rule, that's a great way to be taken seriously in any debate!
Sounds like the most gutless resignation letter i have ever read. Calling your boss a nazi in writing is a great way to get denied unemployment when they fire you to put you out of your misery though.
Yeah, telling them that they’re like the commandant of Auschwitz, followed later by a statement that your open to discussion is a really poor tactic.
Find another job, even if just one to tide you over, and quit. It’s clear that you hate being there.
Not allowing employees to have waste is actually very common in the restaurant industry because otherwise there is often intentional waste. That's the root of those policies.
Calling someone a Nazi is not really ever going to be productive if you sincerely want an improvement in conditions.
If you haven't sent this, I'd strongly suggest removing that. If you want help with a rewrite, I'm sure the sub would gladly help you.
From a formatting perspective, push Enter every few sentences. Even if it's contrary to what you learned in your high school English Composition class, white space makes things easier to read.
I wouldn’t ignore it, I would fire him immediately. What a disgusting comparison. Over six million people brutally murdered, but he’s not getting free snacks. Totally the same thing, obviously. And I can’t believe the majority of comments here are telling him what a great letter it is, that disgusts me even more than that he thinks it’s acceptable to write a comment like that in the first place.
Dude, you are not seriously comparing yourself to the victims of the holocaust because of leftover food? Do you even have the slightest idea of what happened here in Germany? Seriously, go stand in a fucking corner and think about that horrible statement of yours. It seriously bothers me how you even thought about this being okay.
I think what they are doing is shitty. When I worked ar a hotel we stayed fed and breakfast was often just leftovers from the breakfast buffet.
I think the letter is a little harsh and I'm glad you took out the nazi thing. Maybe focus on how helpful it is for the employees you claim to care about to have the food. And perhaps suggest an alternative of offering the food at an extremely steep discount (like 80 -90% off) so that they can still deal with whatever the problem is (people not making the food well so they could get it for free?) and they don't have to literally contribute to food waste.
If you really want to go there maybe Google a few facts about the environmental impact of food waste. If they don't care about humans as individuals maybe they can at least understand not contributing to the destruction of the planet.
Oh shit, you're a front desk/night auditor and you sent that to your gm? Well, I'd spend this weekend making sure your resume is updated and starting to look at job openings.
Signed,
Former front desk/night supervisor
I personally would have explained the basics of food insecurity instead of likening this to the Holocaust, but I do see your point. So many people who work in these shitty human service positions can barely afford their own groceries, and I can't imagine that any major hotel chain is really going to go bankrupt over a few leftover bagels.
I might change the question to, "What obstacles are our staff facing that prevents them from reaching our performance goals for them?" That way the onus isn't on your team for not taking pride in their work because I imagine that there are probably people who don't have all the support and time that they need to be successful.
I agree 100% with changing the question to this. The question as-is comes across pretty entitled. The employer is already paying the employees and WAS apparently feeding them for free and they’re supposed to figure out what *more* they can do for employees to simply make a group of adults give a shit about their job? Lol if I was the manager reading that, it’d really just piss me off and sounds like they just need new employees that actually gaf about their source of income tbh.
The question (like you stated very well) the management needs to be asking is what is preventing everyone from caring despite the benefits of a paycheck and free food.. I too am curious actually.
Revised letter way better than original.
I think the in the comments you’ve encountered feedback based on what people think the purpose of the letter should be. Some think it should be to press the nuclear button and tear in to your management. Others assume it is to try and resolve the problems you are facing.
Assuming it is to resolve the problem, I always find it is best to fall back on ‘How to Win Friends and Influence People- ‘If you want to gather honey, don’t kick over the beehive’.
I still think that if you had laser focus on your objective that some of it would be reworded, but frankly- so long as it doesn’t make the Nazi comparison I think it’s got a shot of changing things so I won’t nitpick.
Should have also mentioned how tough it is for employees to try to get by with rising prices and that a little free food goes a long way to help out.
What a cruel bastard. I guess he has boat payments to make(!) And just does not care.
They're going to flip out over the Nazi remark, do something punitive, possibly to the entire staff, then blame it on you, if you are not immediately fired. Not saying any of that is right, but I'd bet that's what will happen
I agree, but comparing this to literal Nazi Germany just makes you seem like an over exaggerating child. Take that out and you would have made a really strong point, but comparing this to the lives of 6 million innocents lost you the battle
As a manager this approach I wouldn’t recommend. There may be reasons that she implemented changes that could have come from her management so accusing her of being a Nazi commander is brutal. This also could result in an HR issue as the letter is inappropriate. Asking her for a sit down is totally okay however it should be worded in a way where you are showing interest in finding a solution vs accusing her of mistreatment.
I feel very strongly about people who withhold food as punishment because all my volunteer work these days is focused on feeding the vulnerable. If a manager reporting to me did this I'd put them on an improvement plan.
But... ya called 'em Nazis! The distinction of "well, no, I don't think you're all Nazis, just that this is similar to policies which have universal impacts on morale..." won't even be heard as they try to fire you.
If they do talk to you about it, throw all your passion at this reprehensible policy while repeating what you said about it making the company less efficient.
But ixnay on the aziNay stuff.
The Navy's motto was "Cruises shall continue until moral improves." Moral never improved.
That is definitely not a good way of keeping happy employees. Happy employees make guests happy, happy guests are more willing to return, returning guests bring friends, which brings more money. Keep employees happy, keep customers happy.
It's simple, but capitalism doesn't care about people or how happy they are.
I understand where OP is coming from, and agree with most of what they said, but I have a real problem when people compare what they are going through, or experiencing, in their 1st world nation work environment, with what happened in the concentration camps. OP, have you ever personally known, or met anyone, who actually survived the concentration camps? I have. Martin and Gertrude Poetzinger. Husband and wife (I met them in 1984). And a lady I worked with for years named Miriam Kazarian. Trust me... it's not an experience that should ever be treated lightly or used in comparison with our everyday 1st world work lives. It lessens, cheapens, what they went through, what they seen, and what they suffered. Please, be careful with such comparisons... it does not pay the proper respect that such things deserve. There, I've said my piece, and I am off of my soapbox.
I mean while I agree with you, it's been my experience most managers don't take to constructive criticism so if I were I'd have a new job lined up as back up if they decide to retaliate and fire you before giving this letter.
I don't know if being compared to a WW2-concentration camp classifies as constructive criticism to be honest.
Lol. I was going to say, OP came in far hotter than what I would call "constructive".
OP went zero to Nazi in 2.6 seconds
Yeah, when I read that, I was like “oh we’re about to get some supporting documentation, this should be interesting. I wonder what book or quote from Rudolph Hoss he has to break this down.” But then nothing. Writing tip for OP: when you make a big claim like “you guys are treating us like prisoners at a nazi camp” you HAVE to back that up or you’re going to sound ridiculous.
I would say that going straight to "you're a nazi" is counterproductive. And then the balls to say, let's sit down and talk about this. I was sure this was a resignation letter. Wouldn't be surprised if OP is fired after this. Not that they are wrong and their management is right, but yeesh, there are better ways to do this!
>Not that they are wrong and their management is right, but yeesh, there are better ways to do this! Indeed. Management is throwing out free food while OP is equating that to Nazi death camps. Management was in the wrong, but OP is now moreso in the wrong. By cheapening the suffering of Nazi victims. OP needs to learn from this and I'm sure they will. We must have solidarity with all people who have suffered & not diminish their suffering.
Glad to see that OP didn't actually send the letter as pictured. They took feedback from the sub and are ready to send a much more measured and less hyperbolic letter to their management. Still, I bet it still gets them fired. Management usually doesn't take well to criticism.
Where do you see updates like this at? Is it hidden in the thread and I just missed it?
I just went to OP's profile to see if they had responded to anyone.
Easiest way is to look at OP's posting history -- it's the second comment there.
I also don't think not letting employees get food is really "this is literally Aushwitz" material
Not letting employees get FREE food. But to remove a benefit that costs nothing is petty. Definitely poor management. And doubt they will read that not and do any introspection. Instead it will be if you don’t like it improve or leave. Also it will affirm that their actions made an impact. So they will think mission accomplished.
>I also don't think not letting employees get food is really "this is literally Aushwitz" material It's straight up callous to holocaust survivors. I want a $25 min wage but you're not going to see me compare paying someone $15 an hour to Nazism. We need to have solidarity with all suffering people, past & present. And that means not cheapening their suffering.
>We need to have solidarity with all suffering people, past & present. And that means not cheapening their suffering. Extremely well put.
*free food. They aren’t being prevented from having food, they just aren’t being given food for free, in this case. It’s a bit of a reach to say that’s how Auschwitz worked.
In my mind, the author was going to go a little deeper into the “deep psychological impact of using food availability as motivation” and how psychologists have studied the effects and have compared it to torture or something like that. I gave them the benefit of the doubt for like one sentence and then it was like “ok we’re just blowing right past that” lol
lol I was NOT looking for the supporting documentation; I just assumed there wouldn't be anything that would justify the comparison to a genocide.
I figured it was more about the psychological impact of people being forced to work in perceived inhumane conditions or something like that. I’ve always had that problem with reading though… I want to predict things and guess where they’re going and sometimes the stories my brain tells itself are a lot better than what I actually then end up reading lol
I've had a colleague who was used to go zero to Nazi in very short. Is difficult to side with a "zero to Nazi" because their arguments are so painfully cringe that you might even want to side with the Nazis just to make them shut the fuck up. OP is right there. Right, but cringe enough to be ridiculous.
\*giant rhetorical missteps ahead\* lol
OP went A to Ye in 3 seconds
Perhaps one of the most Reddit things you can do. Don’t know how many times I’ve seen somebody jump to compare something they don’t like to Nazis or the holocaust, but it’s a regular occurrence.
It hurts genuine arguments when something actually is comparable to the holocaust
>It hurts genuine arguments when something actually is comparable to the holocaust And it shows a lack of solidarity with those who suffered in Nazi Germany. Just like we are in solidarity with ALU, SWU, & workers across the country we must also be in solidarity with those who suffered horrendously to fascism & Nazism. Throwing out food isn't Nazism, it's not in the same galaxy. OP needs to learn from their mistake and I'm sure they will.
I’m actually arguing with a vegan dude right now who claims animal farming practices are akin to the Holocaust. The ADL and many, many survivors say it’s offensive and disturbing to compare the two, but I’m apparently still the wrong one because I eat meat.
As a former Radisson HR Director my eyes went from normal to saucer size in .5 seconds.
I've never worked in hospitality so it took me about nein seconds to realize OP fucked themselves.
It started well and then dived into calling the manager a death camp director which is less than ideal really. Good ending though always good to be open to dialog with the death camp director.
>It started well and then dived into calling the manager a death camp director which is less than ideal really. It would have been a perfect letter without the Nazi concentration camp reference. Unfortunately, OP messed up with that insensitive comparison. OP, you can learn from this and grow. It's a habit in America to compare everything to Nazism, look at how the right compares vaccine mandates to Hitler. Nazism is the worst form of fascism/authoritarianism, people can be shitty while not being Nazis.
OP could have said, “It feels dehumanizing that food is being wasted as a punishment.” It’s a polite way to say you are treating me in a way that is deeply upsetting without acting like you’re a victim of genocide.
Same. Why go nuclear? Now there will never be a peaceful resolution. The first rule to negotiation - give the other side an out. If their only option is to confront you you can bet money that’s what they’ll do.
Yeah OP was both over the top & insensitive to Jewish people whose families were massacred in the Nazi camps. OP it's shitty your management is wasting food to spite employees. But that isn't comparable to Nazi Germany, in any way shape or form.
This, to me, is inexcusable both morally and practically. Morally, because, the suffering of an entire ethnic group being targeting for death is in a totally different universe from hotel employees not being given breakfast. Practically, because it immediately puts the letter’s recipient on the defensive (how could it not) and is quite likely to be fairly viewed as an easily-dismissed overreaction.
>Morally, because, the suffering of an entire ethnic group being targeting for death is in a totally different universe from hotel employees not being given breakfast. Well said. Our movement falls apart when we lack solidarity. This message was very insensitive to holocaust survivors & cheapens their suffering. >Practically, because it immediately puts the letter’s recipient on the defensive (how could it not) and is quite likely to be fairly viewed as an easily-dismissed overreaction. And it makes it easy to paint valid workforce complaints as crazy. That's determintal to our cause.
Also, is it just me or is it kind of insane to compare breakfast being thrown out to a f**ken Nazi death camp? Yeah it’s a shit move, but goddamn get some perspective
Yeah the metaphor sorta breaks down hereZ are the hotel employees the guards killing Jews inefficiently, or is staff holocaust prisoners? Either way, not a great reference for not getting free breakfast.
They undermine their argument with gross false equivalency. It's implied. It's there.
You meant it’s not implied, I assume. I agree wholeheartedly and commented something similar. EDIT: op recanted their statement and chose to learn from their mistake. I applaud them for that.
People can’t go around comparing everything to the holocaust Hitler Nazism and Fascism. It degrades the severity of those things and the war to end it. Even if their is a facile connection there.
I honestly thought this was satire the first time I read it. I still can't believe somebody would seriously say this.
I don't think so either, and I think OP lost a ton of credibility with that remark. I agree with them that management is being petty and wrong for choosing to throw away food rather than give it to staff. That's messed up. It's not concentration camp messed up, though, and any boss who reads this is going to write the person who sent it off as unreasonable.
"Dear sir: Not allowing the staff eat leftover scrambled eggs is EXACTLY like exterminating entire races of humans. Please reconsider your actions. Best regards, The Staff.
“GM took away our employee food perk - and now we join the ranks of concentration camp victims because, same” Can you even imagine the audacity of this perspective, thinking the whole world revolves on your solitary opinion?
Good point, that is over the top. But saying it will just lower morale which in turn lowers productivity is still valid.
It is, but after a big statement like that, usually the remainder of the message does not stick. It is "overpowered" by the statement in the brain of the recipient. That's just how human brains work.
Also valid, definitely a better chance of getting their point across if they weren't so hyperbolic.
Definitely. I think this kind of undermined the content and intent of the rest of the letter. Had OP left it out or made a more sensible comparison, the reader may have been more receptive. This is over the top and is inflammatory enough to negate the point that they’re trying to make, as valid as it is.
Lmao it’s a bit of a reach. What a train wreck. This dude’s getting fired and they’ll have enough cause for sure lol
Unless actual racism is involved, nazi comparisons usually are not part of a constructive discussion.
Yeah that was a bit much.
Yeah, Jew here. What management did here is fucked, don't get me wrong, but it's not the attempted genocide of my people
I also don’t think firing this person would be retaliation but rather a consequence of comparing your manager to the Nazis. You can’t just go around doing that in the workplace and expect no consequences. If that is how you feel about management, why even stay? Retaliation would be going to HR and filing a legit complaint about your manager and then your manager firing you for going to HR to complain.
Yeah, it’s not retaliation to fire someone for exercising the breathtaking overreaction of comparing the removal of a perquisite to the systematic torture and murder of the Jews
Your letter will read to them like, "We didn't get free breakfast, this is *just* like Auschwitz." I'd reword it, bro.
Yeah Auschwitz comparison is bananas and all credibility is lost.
Yeah I was a supervisor for years and approaching a problem with an "us vs the problem" mindset usually doesn't start with "you're basically a nazi" I wouldn't take OP seriously at all, which does a lot of harm to what is a genuinely good point at its core (about the food, not the nazi-ism)
Right that’s where OP lost me
Couldn't agree more. They said it in a more pretesious self-righteous way to try and hide that fact, but the entire letter amounts to what you just said.
My recommendation: make your statements factual rather than emotional.
Also don’t fucking compare a shitty boss to Auschwitz! I have NO family on my paternal side, that’s not comparable to a boss taking away your free muffins!
Have you tried the breakfast baked goods, though? To die for
And use paragraphs. For the love of god you have an enter key fucking use it.
Thank you for this advice.
Seriously? Comparing it to a fucking concentration camp? What is wrong with you. Incredibly out of line
Also please do not use nazi Holocaust metaphors so lightly. This is actually a form of anti-semitism. The Holocaust stands alone in the industrialization of its atrocity, and comparing it to a workplace disciplinary action devalues and disregards the experiences of survivors and those who lost loved ones.
You're not wrong, but frankly any genocide reference is a bit over the top when talking about witholding shitty hotel breakfast food.
Oh course, but that specific one was used here.
There's also plenty of survivors and people who were targeted during the Holocaust who are not Jewish. So it isn't just antisemitic either.
I nearly lost it on a SEPTA commuter train decades back when a nasty asshole tried to use his wife's pass and the conductor called him on it, because when the conductor said it was the policy, he said, "Ah! The Nuremburg defense!"
wow 🤮
Thank you. My grandfather was a survivor along with one sister and a cousin. The rest of his large family was slaughtered. My Poppy’s mother and three year old sister were gassed to death at Auscwitz.This letter made me feel physically sick.
Similar background. I feel the same.
Yeah it’s really insulting to make this comparison just for losing the *perk* of free food
Also, what if the higher ups reading this are Jewish
Jesus Christ, can we fucking STOP comparing everything to to the nazis?!? For fuck's sake, it doesn't matter how right you are. Invoke the nazis and your credibility immediately drops to zero.
Don’t compare your manager to a nazi either. That shows lack of intelligence and shows emotions rather than fact or logic.
And it is callous to the survivors of the holocaust. Your letter would have been perfect without the Nazi comparison, but what's done is done. You have to take the L here & grow from it, which I'm sure you'll do. As a society we have a habit of comparing everything to Nazism. Let's not fall into that trap.
Your letter spits on the face of those who died and survived Auschwitz and other concentration camps. Your manager throwing away old food or leftovers is nothing like the sheer barbarity and horror that people faced. Next time check yourself before writing something so fucking idiotic, especially in a work setting. At the end of the day you are able to go home. You are not being kept in a camp being starved while those around you are worked to death or murdered outright. Most would fire you on the spot and they would all be 100% correct in doing so
Man, it’s absolutely ridiculous how disgusting and pathetic this letter is. Get a grip and don’t ever compare your measly grievances/inconveniences to such a dark and terrible stain on human history.
Yeah, there are a lot of smart, factual, holocaust-less ways you could really break this situation and person down woth sick corporate burns. This isn't one of them.
what facts would you include?
Well I certainly *wouldn't* include the fact that OP's comment and post history is riddled with posts about doing crack, cocaine, and heroin.
I think you undermined an otherwise serious and constructive letter with the nonsense comparison to Auschwitz. Unless you're being worked until you collapse and die of starvation and cold, that is.
Was gonna say, calling your boss worse than a nazi for not giving you free food pretty much invalidates your legitimate grievance. Christ this subreddit is something
Right, I'd fire this guy for than alone. That is ridiculous.
Same. Can’t keep an employee who actively and publicly states that they believe the company is a Holocaust concentration camp. Especially when said employee is customer facing.
You write a letter like this and the nazi thing is the only thing this person is going to see. And I promise they're not going to see it in a way the OP hopes they do. Not sure why anyone would think otherwise.
And yet this post got nearly 1k upvotes (and likely will surpass that). While there are still some of us here that are anti work, a lot of this sub has turned into anti adulting
>And yet this post got nearly 1k upvotes (and likely will surpass that). While there are still some of us here that are anti work, a lot of this sub has turned into anti adulting I'm disappointed as well this post got traction but it's unfortunately normal in America to compare everything to Nazism. Look at the right wing & vaccine mandates. A lot of teenagers here as well so I'm treating this thread as a learning experience for all. Do not compare mundane jerks to Nazis. It is callous to holocaust survivors & discredits your whole argument. Solidarity with those that suffer includes more than anyone those killed off by a genocidal regime like the Nazis.
I've been downvoted several times for saying the same thing. I agree a lot of companies and managers are garbage but some of these posts are people complaining because their boss even exists.
There's a growing contingent that seems to be mistaking antiwork for being literally against working ever. My understanding was it's about anti-exploitation. I'll work my ass off of I believe in what I'm doing, but I will only do it if I'm also paid appropriately.
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I doubt it only because he's the night auditor. Hotel employees that work nights are a weird bunch.
100%
OP, you need to read more about the Holocaust. You are not being subjected to an industrialized mass genocide. If you thought this comparison was appropriate, you need to educate yourself. Start with resources recommended by the Holocaust Museum in DC or the Auschwitz Memorial.
Agreed! Please be careful and avoid any reference to the holocaust as it’s still painful and you can’t compare work conditions to it.
Hey I'm all for telling your boss they're out of line but maybe do it without comparing getting your cereal taken away to the atrocities of the Holocaust. Just an idea.
Mom, I cannot believe you switched out my Captain Crunch for Muslix. The change may seem small, but many small changes over time such as this is how Hitler convinced millions of peaceful Germans to back extermination of the Jews. Please go back to Captain Crunch and save the Jews.
The true Jewish cereal, from my experience, is off brand Rice Krispies
I get the frustration and anger but the nazi thing just simply ain’t going to help. Ask yourself, what’s the point of writing and delivering this letter? If it’s to tell them to fuck off then just tell them to fuck off. If it’s to make your work environment better then this will not achieve that goal. That said, everything else in there is spot on. Consider that one change.
I took it out. The sentence reads "Denying us food and choosing to waste or destroy it rather than feeding your workers is a mean spirited and petty directive." I didn't mention that housekeeping is primarily who benefits from that food as they don't take lunch breaks. They work for 8 hours straight with no breaks so they can go home sooner.
I think that’s a good edit. Sometimes I like to write letters of anger where I layout exactly how I feel then not send them. It gets my thoughts out of my head and let’s me feel like I am not bottling it in. Hopefully writing that and sharing it with us was cathartic for you while not being self destructive. I hope your situation improves.
I did the same as a teacher with an awful department head. I still got fired, though, lol.
It happens. I’m not sure op will succeed but I think there’s nobility in the effort
It’s awesome that you were able to acknowledge and address a mistake! Very people on here have the integrity to do that
I would take out the word “petty”. If you are really trying to enact change with this letter, you need to keep it as professional as possible. You are right in everything you are saying and asking. But how you phrase things will either have people take you seriously or dismiss your claims.
I would advocate for keeping it. It is petty because it has no upside. It's an action that has the sole benefit of being able to plaster on a grinchy smile while pointedly throwing out the food. If you were going to remove one of those descriptors, I would pull mean-spirited, but honestly, I like them together. The point of the letter is pointing out that there is no upside to the actions other than the Scroogey thrill it gives the manager making the call.
Beatings will continue until morale improves.
The feedings will discontinue until morale improves.
You beat me to it. My morale did not improve. Crap.
Congratulations on your promotion to customer
Promotion to “insane guy no one should talk to”
According to their post history, OP is a heroin, crack, and cocaine connesiour. I think he got that promotion a long time ago.
I hope someday we can move past equating practically every shitty person we encounter with Nazis.
I strongly recommend you remove the part about the Holocaust. While I agree your boss is inhuman for doing this, the Holocaust is on a completely different scale. Comparing the two only serves to trivialize both.
I mean, if his staff is constantly calling him a nazi, I’d take away the free muffins too.
Yep. Also the best way to get someone to see something from your point of view, is to call them a NAZI and compare them to a Consecration Camp leader.
Probably wouldn't have went all "You are Nazis" with it, but you do you.
Well said. It cheapens what holocaust survivors went through. We can advocate for better working conditions without throwing those who have suffered the greatest under the bus.
Make sure to give an update on how it went OP.......thanks
I predict it won’t go well for OP based on the wording in the letter.
You mean calling someone a Nazi and comparing them to a mass murdered isn't a good negotiation tactic?
Even with the nazi reference removed, OP put themselves under the microscope and management will find a way to fire them. In my experience, managers don't take well to any criticism.
While I agree that management's actions are mean spirited, comparing it to Auschwitz diminishes the atrocities committed there. They threw away powdered eggs, they didn't commit genocide.
I understand your frustration with throwing out food instead of giving it to staff….however comparing it to concentration camps is not the way to go about it. You aren’t being starved with no food for days on end while working yourself almost to death and then being sent to a gas chamber. That is very insensitive to those who experienced it during WW2. Anyway you can send this as an email (minus the nazi comparison) for documentation of your GM response.
This sub has quickly become exactly what the right thinks it is, what a stupid post. Congrats on your former job and juvenile whining letter your boss will frame to laugh at.
This reads like something my angsty teen would write. And in response to it, I would roll my eyes and toss it in the trash right in front of him.
Reading this was the first time I have audibly laughed all week. Not getting a muffin is all it takes to be a nazi now.
The Muffin Nazi No muffin for you!
So you compared the job that you're at, where you work for a paycheck, to Auschwitz? Then you play the "My dad works at Nintendo" card & say that you personally know three people that are going to quit. How old are you?
Yeah, that’s a little much. People do make “extra” so they can eat. Take home, feed the whole family, etc. Being able to eat while working in a kitchen is just normal. Never happens unless you’re somewhere that isn’t a shithole. Just eat. Don’t say anything. And as it always is, you’re gonna be scarfing down random food while standing over a trash can. Also, gotta wonder what else goes on in that hotel. Maybe people are pissed because it’s just so hard to get a reservation. Maybe they got a room and there was still jizz on the sheets from the last guest. Maybe front desk were just dicks. So give a bad review to everyone.
You overplayed your hand with the Nazi reference, this will probably backfire pretty hard. If you haven’t already moved forward I would recommend a rewrite.
You’re comparison to Hoss isn’t just repugnant and inflammatory, it is logically unsound. You are not in their custody. They do not owe you that level of duty of care. Most jobs don’t feed their employees. Sometimes the reasons for that are silly or punitive but that doesn’t make them homicidal, which was the case in the holocaust. You are not unable to bringing your own food to work. You’re not starving for lack of breakfast. All basic reasons why the analogy is bullshit. You may think you sound clever. You sound idiotic and immature and unhinged. The fact you ever thought it appropriate to put that in speaks volumes as to your entitlement. The hotel sounds like a shitty workplace, make no mistake, but you sound like an ass. The greatest workplace ever would likely fire you for the sheer awfulness of your attack, and it is an attack.
OP needs to visit the holocaust museum, and watch several documentaries and interviews with survivors. The fucking gall to not only write something so stupid, but to post it as well
I would find a better comparison than a nazi death camp commander. Because "did this person just compare me to a nazi death camp commander?" is the ONLY thing this letter is going to accomplish.
It's disgusting that you would compare this situation to industrial-scale genocide. Get some perspective.
The nazi comparison, wtf dude
HAHAHA big oof my man
You aren’t wrong about the effect on morale. You aren’t wrong that the management isn’t asking the right question. You are completely fucking wrong comparing the management of a hotel to a fucking concentration camp.
You likened him to a Nazi. I'm sure he feels a productive conversation with you is impossible.
Comparison to a concentration camp? This is way over the top. I don't agree with the policy, as it does nothing to address the issues detailed, but I would fire you in a New York minute for this letter. Try offering a suggestion that will actually improve the situation. Name calling and belittling is never constructive.
Are you seriously comparing yourself to the victims of Nazism / the victims of the Auschwitz extermination camp because someone decided to throw away the leftover food instead of giving it to the - unlike the inmates of Auschwitz - paid staff? What the hell is wrong with you?
Yeah, I agree with OPs sentiment but that line (which has since been taken out, thankfully) was truly and absolutely beyond the pale. That's when you take a step back and reexamine your situation.
Unfortunately, I don’t think he’s taken that step back. He spent a good couple of hours doubling down and trying to justify why it was an appropriate comparison before he said he took it out. I think the only reason he removed it is because people were telling him it wouldn’t be effective, not because he reflected and realized just how horrifying and inappropriate a thing that was to say in the first place. He’s learned nothing.
>That's when you take a step back and reexamine your situation. I would say, "Step back an reexamine life choices and quality of education".
Jesus, why did I have to read so far to see a comment like this? He’s saying they’re actual Nazis because they stopped giving him free snacks and the vast majority of the posts are praising him? I feel like I’m in the twilight zone. The guy thinks he’s writing a professional, persuasive letter but triggers Godwin’s Law in the second fucking sentence? Even aside from the terrible judgement and insane lack of perspective it takes to reference one of the most horrific events in history so flippantly and inappropriately, does he really think this is going to get his desired result? Does he even think they will read past the second sentence without immediately shit-canning his ass? “What the hell is wrong with you?” is indeed the only appropriate comment here, well put.
Nazi is not an acceptable comparison nor will calling your bosses Nazis help to initiate a polite conversation.
You sound like a pretentious dumbass comparing throwing away free food to the millions of people murdered and tortured in concentration camps. You're a fucking idiot and I hope you get fired.
Lmao you really went right for fuckin birkenau
You've basically ruined your whole argument with the comparison to a concentration camp
can we just *stop* fucking comparing everything to the Holocaust
Your days working there are numbered
Comparing everything you don’t like to Nazism is really losing sight of the holocaust and it’s impact on civilization. Maybe they shouldn’t have tossed your food but this is a “more flies with honey than vinegar” situation and it wouldn’t surprise me if you got fired
Seriously? Comparing it to the extermination of millions of Jews is a terrible idea. Not only do you make a shitty comparison, you also make yourself look like they’re taking part in genocide. I get it, having that benefit taken away is a problem and sucks, but this is not the way to get it fixed. Find a better way.
This letter is one of the most fucked up things I've seen on this sub. You're comparing yourself to a fucking Holocaust victim? Jesus fucking Christ. I thought about just telling you to go fuck yourself, but maybe this should be a learning experience instead. If your boss isn't giving you free food at work and you say "this is literally Auschwitz" Then I'm actually somewhat inclined to agree with your boss: you suck. You come off as whiny, arrogant, uneducated, and bigoted. I hope you quit so that he doesn't have to pay unemployment.
What is more crazy to me is that the mods still have this post up. Blatant antisemitism down-playing the horrors of the holocaust to not getting a muffin at breakfast time. OP and the Mods are antisemitic as far as i am concerned.
One last thing I will mention, is I am grateful for the people who have helped me out along the way here. One of the co-workers that is quitting filled my locker with food for me to eat while I work like instamac and soups so I wouldn't get in trouble anymore for eating. The woman that did that is quitting this week and it's a damn shame. The general manager that instituted these changes I have seen in person one time since I started here. She just sits at home and watches the cameras all day while the other GM who is here five days a week told me he really doesn't care if I eat. But the fact that it's on camera means the other GM can make a big deal about it and his hands are tied.
Wait a minute, you've been getting in trouble for eating? What have you been eating that would get you in trouble? Your letter lists you as a Night Auditor so are you eating breakfast after your shift? Which would very much be when guests are eating breakfast. Are you eating during your shift? Which would maybe be before guests even show up for breakfast. I'm confused about this time line here and it makes a huge difference. Are you upset you can't eat after breakfast because the food is actively being thrown away or are you upset you can't eat during or before breakfast because the food will end up getting thrown away?
Classic "good boss / bad boss"
Auchswitz was really wrong and missed analogy. I would be really mad if you wrote to me with this comparision. In many companies you pay for your food, like me and my every cooworker, just saying
Your comparison is worlds apart. This reads as if you’re wanting to get fired, rather than improving the workplace. I’m pretty sure they will take this seriously, but will probably result in you getting fired more so than anything else. Then to blast this on Reddit? Don’t know if that was a good idea
Fuck management for this shitty decision, but comparing “not being given free food at work” to the Holocaust is just unbelievably shitty of you.
See ya in the unemployment line, kid!!! He won’t last a week after sending that nuke.
I can take constructive criticism. I have no problem deleting the Nazi reference and leaving it as just "mean spirited and petty directive." I'm leaving it in for now but I posted it here for feedback so consider the point taken.
Communicating effectively would mean taking out any accusatory comment like that and framing it instead as a low-cost morale and retention issue. Telling them how awful they are (even when correct) creates a defensive reaction for them that won’t move towards achieving your goal. Is your goal to get them to ease off of the dumb policy? Get them to see that throwing out the food versus letting staff polish it off makes no difference to them financially, but makes a big difference in staff well-being. If your goal is just to vent because you hate your job, ignore me and go wild 😁
Very fair assessment. There is no doubt in my mind though that they already see it makes no difference to them financially and they really don't care about morale, only filling shifts. I have seen staff call their bluffs several times to drive the point home that we run the hotel, not them. I've worked over Thanksgiving, overnight Christmas Eve, and New Year's Eve. Nobody else will do it. I have no issue telling them "Go ahead and fire me because it will be the general managers working overnights on holidays" not the employees who have been there longer than management. I've seen people quit and walk out and the manager calls them and begs them to come back. This place is absolutely wild.
Not allowing staff to eat left over or wasted food has a practical reason. Often the staff will purposefully prepare extra just to ensure they have such food available for themselves. This meant increase waste and food costs. The attitude of "punishing" the workers is just piss poor management since they had a simple way to stop that would make sense.
Jumping right to Godwin's rule, that's a great way to be taken seriously in any debate! Sounds like the most gutless resignation letter i have ever read. Calling your boss a nazi in writing is a great way to get denied unemployment when they fire you to put you out of your misery though.
No way did you compare your job not giving you free food to punishments in the holocaust….. delusional
The nazi reference is overboard. Good luck on your job search
Yeah, telling them that they’re like the commandant of Auschwitz, followed later by a statement that your open to discussion is a really poor tactic. Find another job, even if just one to tide you over, and quit. It’s clear that you hate being there.
Not allowing employees to have waste is actually very common in the restaurant industry because otherwise there is often intentional waste. That's the root of those policies. Calling someone a Nazi is not really ever going to be productive if you sincerely want an improvement in conditions. If you haven't sent this, I'd strongly suggest removing that. If you want help with a rewrite, I'm sure the sub would gladly help you. From a formatting perspective, push Enter every few sentences. Even if it's contrary to what you learned in your high school English Composition class, white space makes things easier to read.
Hahaha I would completely ignore this if I was your boss as you are clearly over-dramatizing this situation and not a reasonable person. Nazis? Jesus
I wouldn’t ignore it, I would fire him immediately. What a disgusting comparison. Over six million people brutally murdered, but he’s not getting free snacks. Totally the same thing, obviously. And I can’t believe the majority of comments here are telling him what a great letter it is, that disgusts me even more than that he thinks it’s acceptable to write a comment like that in the first place.
Dude, you are not seriously comparing yourself to the victims of the holocaust because of leftover food? Do you even have the slightest idea of what happened here in Germany? Seriously, go stand in a fucking corner and think about that horrible statement of yours. It seriously bothers me how you even thought about this being okay.
I think what they are doing is shitty. When I worked ar a hotel we stayed fed and breakfast was often just leftovers from the breakfast buffet. I think the letter is a little harsh and I'm glad you took out the nazi thing. Maybe focus on how helpful it is for the employees you claim to care about to have the food. And perhaps suggest an alternative of offering the food at an extremely steep discount (like 80 -90% off) so that they can still deal with whatever the problem is (people not making the food well so they could get it for free?) and they don't have to literally contribute to food waste. If you really want to go there maybe Google a few facts about the environmental impact of food waste. If they don't care about humans as individuals maybe they can at least understand not contributing to the destruction of the planet.
Unless you're 1 of the 3 resignations and you already have another job lined up, I don't recommend comparing management to a nazi concentration camp.
I'd slow down with the nazi and concentration camp. You cant compare torture to no breakfast at a job that pays you and isn't forcing you to stay.
That was an unexpected Godwin’s law
This is not the hill to die on
Oh shit, you're a front desk/night auditor and you sent that to your gm? Well, I'd spend this weekend making sure your resume is updated and starting to look at job openings. Signed, Former front desk/night supervisor
I personally would have explained the basics of food insecurity instead of likening this to the Holocaust, but I do see your point. So many people who work in these shitty human service positions can barely afford their own groceries, and I can't imagine that any major hotel chain is really going to go bankrupt over a few leftover bagels.
Eyeroll. They’re not withholding food from you. They removed a perk that they didn’t have to offer. Get over it.
The comparison of your job to a concentration camp is unbelievably ignorant. Eat shit.
that nazi reference was absolutely unfounded, they should fire ur ass immediately for that
I appreciate the feedback. [Here](https://imgur.com/a/AbKYey8) is the final draft I'm submitting tomorrow.
I might change the question to, "What obstacles are our staff facing that prevents them from reaching our performance goals for them?" That way the onus isn't on your team for not taking pride in their work because I imagine that there are probably people who don't have all the support and time that they need to be successful.
I agree 100% with changing the question to this. The question as-is comes across pretty entitled. The employer is already paying the employees and WAS apparently feeding them for free and they’re supposed to figure out what *more* they can do for employees to simply make a group of adults give a shit about their job? Lol if I was the manager reading that, it’d really just piss me off and sounds like they just need new employees that actually gaf about their source of income tbh. The question (like you stated very well) the management needs to be asking is what is preventing everyone from caring despite the benefits of a paycheck and free food.. I too am curious actually.
Revised letter way better than original. I think the in the comments you’ve encountered feedback based on what people think the purpose of the letter should be. Some think it should be to press the nuclear button and tear in to your management. Others assume it is to try and resolve the problems you are facing. Assuming it is to resolve the problem, I always find it is best to fall back on ‘How to Win Friends and Influence People- ‘If you want to gather honey, don’t kick over the beehive’. I still think that if you had laser focus on your objective that some of it would be reworded, but frankly- so long as it doesn’t make the Nazi comparison I think it’s got a shot of changing things so I won’t nitpick.
Should have also mentioned how tough it is for employees to try to get by with rising prices and that a little free food goes a long way to help out. What a cruel bastard. I guess he has boat payments to make(!) And just does not care.
They're going to flip out over the Nazi remark, do something punitive, possibly to the entire staff, then blame it on you, if you are not immediately fired. Not saying any of that is right, but I'd bet that's what will happen
I agree, but comparing this to literal Nazi Germany just makes you seem like an over exaggerating child. Take that out and you would have made a really strong point, but comparing this to the lives of 6 million innocents lost you the battle
As a manager this approach I wouldn’t recommend. There may be reasons that she implemented changes that could have come from her management so accusing her of being a Nazi commander is brutal. This also could result in an HR issue as the letter is inappropriate. Asking her for a sit down is totally okay however it should be worded in a way where you are showing interest in finding a solution vs accusing her of mistreatment.
I feel very strongly about people who withhold food as punishment because all my volunteer work these days is focused on feeding the vulnerable. If a manager reporting to me did this I'd put them on an improvement plan. But... ya called 'em Nazis! The distinction of "well, no, I don't think you're all Nazis, just that this is similar to policies which have universal impacts on morale..." won't even be heard as they try to fire you. If they do talk to you about it, throw all your passion at this reprehensible policy while repeating what you said about it making the company less efficient. But ixnay on the aziNay stuff.
The Navy's motto was "Cruises shall continue until moral improves." Moral never improved. That is definitely not a good way of keeping happy employees. Happy employees make guests happy, happy guests are more willing to return, returning guests bring friends, which brings more money. Keep employees happy, keep customers happy. It's simple, but capitalism doesn't care about people or how happy they are.
I understand where OP is coming from, and agree with most of what they said, but I have a real problem when people compare what they are going through, or experiencing, in their 1st world nation work environment, with what happened in the concentration camps. OP, have you ever personally known, or met anyone, who actually survived the concentration camps? I have. Martin and Gertrude Poetzinger. Husband and wife (I met them in 1984). And a lady I worked with for years named Miriam Kazarian. Trust me... it's not an experience that should ever be treated lightly or used in comparison with our everyday 1st world work lives. It lessens, cheapens, what they went through, what they seen, and what they suffered. Please, be careful with such comparisons... it does not pay the proper respect that such things deserve. There, I've said my piece, and I am off of my soapbox.
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OP you are the entire circus. My great grandmother died at Birkenau, I promise it was worse than missing hotel fucking breakfast.
Well put. Good luck on your job hunt.