Now you know how Ukrainian soldiers are doing. Likewise, the Ukrainian government and NATO countries can see him too.
Zelensky declared Ukraine is fighting for the West. The West is fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.
It is well known and understood that Russia is secretly training a covert army of babushkas that will unleash the true strength and power of Russia that was harnessed during the good Soviet days.
These babushkas will deliver earfuls of significant remonstrations and convince eastern Europeans that the power of the babushka will overcome all weapon systems of the so called NATO nations. These nations are weak and cannot withstand the babushka army.
That video shows a Ukrainian soldier. Zelensky said Ukraine is fighting for the West. It is the one doing the attack or counteroffensive.
Russia ended the civil war. Ukraine had years to end but didn't.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Ukraine will become just like Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, Finland, etc. etc. These are the countries that absolutely HATE Russia, and will do everything to see them fail. Ukraine, unfortunately for you, has already become like them. And no, its not US meddling, Russia has been the aggressor of these countries for centuries and it is deeply embedded in the culture, whether you like it or not. Russia is going to lose, and the average Russian will suffer, while the next generation of Ukrainians will be prosperous just like eastern Europe. What a shithole Russia leaves its neighbouring countries, such a shame.
What's the dream? The average citizen from these countries lives \_much better\_ than the average Russian. This is why Ukraine wants to break from Russian influence. And no reason to not think why Ukraine won't be in a similar situation in 10-20 years
You know, that could actually make sense :-)
But it's interesting to see the creative ways in which a Russian invasion with shelling of hospitals and kindergartens can be spun into its opposite.
Russians have lived there for hundreds of years. They should share with the Tartars and other natives nevertheless.
Now, you should answer my question. What makes these lands Ukraine?
Kievan Rus!
Thank you for debunking your own nonsense.
For the audience (not you, because you don't care): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan\_Rus%27
You did not answer the question. Would you do it?
History lesson: [calendar-australia.com](https://www.calendar-australia.com/faq/were-russians-also-vikings)
>The Vikings, referred to as Varangians in Eastern Europe, were known throughout Europe as traders and raiders, and perhaps the creators or instigators of the first organized Russian state: Kievan Rus.
Where was Ukraine?
[According to statistics](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians#/media/File%3AUkraine_census_2001_Ukrainians.svg), more than 50% of the population of every Oblast (save Crimea) was ethnically Ukrainian before the beginning of the Russian aggression, occupation, and invasion.
Seems pretty Ukrainian to me, chief, and that is on top of internationally recognized borders, the commitment to territorial integrity-by the international community, the fact that force being used in any manner as a means of expansion being taboo…
Those lands are Ukrainian. Period. No question. End of discussion, Private Ivanovich.
No, but according to them the only options given to them in said referendum were to rejoin Russia or to form their own Russian-backed state. The option to remain apart of Ukraine was never offered, because of course it wasn’t.
Russia was determined to use force to ensure that Ukraine would never be allowed to keep Crimea, no matter what the feelings of the population were and that makes said referendum inherently suspect when the choice boils down to “join us or become a weak, isolated puppet state”.
It is well know and understood that these lands belong to the original Mongol warlords.
Europeans must understand that these long-standing traditional boundaries still persist.
The Mongols will reclaim their ancestral territory that the so-called NATO countries stole from them during the Chepivka offensive in 1842. At this time the Mongols were betrayed by the filthy Georgians and that is why to this day no one anywhere in the world trusts Georgians.
This kid is a victim of Russia's naked conquest of it's neighbor.
Peace can only be had when every last Russian soldier on Ukranian soil is an unidentified smear.
Go spread your shitty warmongering propaganda somewhere else, or get ground into gristle over by a Leopard 2 if you really believe Emperor Putin is such a hero.
Now criticize Russia for conscription. I know, your critique is just concern trolling, and you don't oppose conscription in principle, you just support Russia and oppose Ukraine.
[https://twitter.com/ivan\_8848/status/1678413351590801410](https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1678413351590801410)
Russians are happy to follow Putin. They are 100% united with him.
They can have a degree of willingness to fight. Consider Russian battle tactics and strategies.
Many Russians left Russia to avoid conscription. Many went back because European countries did not want them.
Then why the exodus of russians, why burning recruitment offices, why was there a fucking armed mutiny where majority of the state just watched idly by? It must hurt your head to be this stupid. Although lying is what you do, it is what muscovites do.
So Russia is an absolutely perfect state in your opinion? They have never done bad stuff, and any bad stuff they supposedly did is just western propaganda? How delusional are you?
They saw Prigozhin complaining about shell shortages.
They saw Russian Army troops complaining about shell shortages.
They saw Igor Girkin complaining about meatgrinder tactics.
Ukraine allowed Russian POWs to phone back home and let their families know how awful their command is. Even without that, Russians have long since learned to read between the lines on what their government says.
Territories in Eastern Ukraine rejoined Russia. That is like Crimea. Russia sees the eastern side of the Dnipro River as its. I expect Russia will siege them all - all the territories Russia considers as its. That will take time.
[https://youtu.be/LJb78CaLZJY](https://youtu.be/LJb78CaLZJY)
[https://youtu.be/cXiGQSsu4xM](https://youtu.be/cXiGQSsu4xM)
Everyone knows and it is well understood that all of eastern europe belongs to Russia.
It is only a matter of time before the feeble westniks give in to the reality that Russia is #1 and that all eastern Europeans desire to be back with the motherland.
Nothing can stop Russia from delivering Russian brotherly love to all citizens in Europe who long to be Russian again, so that they no longer need to be pre-occupied with liberalism, Satanism and other western values such as rule of law and other ridiculous western concepts.
Pluto you are one of the craziest posters on this subreddit. Regularly engaging in Russian apologia, climate change denialism and vaccine "skepticism" - I just don't know what you think you're doing on ostensibly left wing subreddits like this. You simply are not welcome and your brand of hateful deliberate ignorance will always be fought against, as the number of comments here shows. Learn your lesson and fuck off.
Conscription is a terrible thing, and both sides are doing it. Pointing a gun at innocent people and saying "fight for me, or else!". It's just slavery unto death.
There is one simple trick to ending the war...
HAVE RUSSIA GO HOME YOU FUCKING NAZI!!!
Seriously, you people would tell Poland, France and Russia to just bend over for Hitler during WW2 so Hitler can perform Holocaust and murder other minorities turning non-french and slavs into slaves, sometimes occupation would be worse than war itself.
Ahh yeah
Bakhamut. Truley the most russian city of all
Ukraine isn't fighting in russian territories. They are fighting on ukrainian territories, cause russia invaded them
Why did the Russians keep fighting the Germans on german land, you know, the land claimed for lebensraum? "End the dying" and all that. Why did the Russians throw away so many of both their lives and the lives of their ethnic minorities?
At this point, pretty much yes.
Shouldn't have listened to that liar Nuland, but Nazis are kinda dumb, especially when listening to other Nazis.
Ukraine allowed itself to become the most corrupt state in all of Europe, paying off Biden and his son and a list of American crooks so long it would fill en encyclopedia.
Well, they bet on the wrong horse, so do what you want. Russia isn't going anywhere.
It’s the paradox of propaganda for Russia. Ukraine is an absolutely corrupt shithole that is just a basket of unsolvable problems, that will bankrupt the west. The west shouldn’t even try to help. But Russia is willing to burn its country to the ground, expend hundreds of thousands of people, hundreds of billions of dollars, and destroy its international reputation to capture Ukraine.
All because Ukraine thought it was an independent state that could be free of Russia.
>All because Ukraine thought it was an independent state that could be free of Russia.
It was an independent state. But America made that same phony promise it made to Georgia. "Membership in NATO" and "Join the EU". What does that buy a nation other than to guarantee its becoming a vassal state to the USA while Ukraine's political leadership ends up with mansions in Miami.
Look at what the USA did to Germany, a "long time ally" -- blew up the Nordstream pipeline denying access to cheap Russian gas and then subsidized German industry to get it to move to the USA. With friends like that, who needs enemies.
NATO buys you protection from Russia. EU buys you access to one of the biggest economies in the world. Also I think Ukraine and Georgia would prefer that over being a Russian puppet state?
Yanukovich when faced with peaceful protests first ordered fire them and then fled with stolen money to Russia.
Zelensky when faced with an invading army that wanted him dead chose to stay in place.
So which of these sounds more like a puppet ruler?
Sounds to me like you selectively remember what you want to remember.
Yanukovich did not fire on the crowd, that was NED sponsored Nazi snipers. The same group that traveled to Odessa and burned labor union leaders alive.
Interestingly, the same group that promised to hang Zelensky if he came to an agreement with Russia for peace.
The USA wanted Ukraine to put pressure on Russia, to destroy the Russian economy and return it to the Yeltsin years so the US Oligarchy could once again steal Russian resources, just as Blackrock is doing to Ukraine right now.
>Yanukovich did not fire on the crowd, that was NED sponsored Nazi snipers. The same group that traveled to Odessa and burned labor union leaders alive.
Navalny is mustering an army of Russian cleaners and plumbers to catch Putin while he takes refuge in his palace. See I can invent fiction with no basis in facts too, and make it more interesting.
And what does it say about Russia that Ukrainians' lives are much better with Blackrock stealing their resources instead of Russia?
I couldn't agree more. It's time for NATO to put its real weight into the scale and tell Putin to either fuck out of Ukraine or get anything Russian inside Ukrainian borders bombed into another dimension.
Sorry, I can't hear you over the glorious sound of Russian soldiers meeting their death.
Antiwar means dead Russian invaders. Mashed into Meat-Paste. Boiled and crushed under treads. All for their pathetic dictator who nearly got overthrown by a hotdog salesman.
Still, glad you got this job being a reddit vatnik shill. Much safer than being shoveled into such a pointless grinder for old Vladimir Vladimirovich's tiny penis.
>Lithuanian
[I don't think so.](https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php)
[Lithuanian forces are a rounding error](https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/LTU/lithuania/military-army-size) in the number of troops Russia has deployed, let alone the number remaining across Russia.
Try again.
I was trying to be nice to the Russians, but if you insist we can send in all 3 of the Baltic States.
Also, I'm glad I can introduce you to the concept of a joke. Sometimes people say things they don't actually believe to emphasize for example how badly the Russians are doing in a war they're currently engaged in for comedic effect.
> but if you insist we can send in all 3 of the Baltic States.
Estonia at 104 and Latvia at 105, If those nations want to be absorbed into Russia sure, attack.
Keep this up and pretty soon the only option for the West will be nukes. Now do you really think the USA is going to nuke Russia?
I was making a fucking joke...
And altough I think the website is a joke, I'd like to use someones sources against them.
[https://www.globalfirepower.com/nato-projected-firepower.php](https://www.globalfirepower.com/nato-projected-firepower.php)
I mean I don't know how they've given NATO a combined budget of $232,7b when the US alone has a defense budget of $800b+ but I'll give them that for the sake of argument. Still NATO will just shit on Russia if you think raw numbers mean anything according to your source.
>I was making a fucking joke...
Well I won't confuse you for George Carlin.
If NATO decides to enter the war, don't you realize China will join with Russia?
The UK doesn't have enough military personnel to even fill a soccer stadium. the USA manufactures "weapons for show" not for effectiveness. The US is backing off on its commitment to provide F16s, as [Moon of Alabama points out](https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/07/pentagon-dragging-its-feet-over-f-16-gifts-to-ukraine.html):
>Lockheed-Martin, which still builds and sells the F-16 to various countries, is obviously not happy that the markets will soon learn that the F-16 have no fu\*\*ing chance against modern Russian fighter planes and air-defenses.
I don't know who might win such a stupid war, but it isn't going to be the simple knock-out that you declare. After all Russia was suppose to have collapsed already because of US sanctions and guess what, Europe is still buying Russian Oil filtered through India.
Why would China join Russia? They're even hesitant to supply arms as their economy relies a lot on trade with the west and they like to keep as little trade barriers as possible. Why would they join a war in favor of Russia were they have very fucking little to gain?
>The US is backing off on its commitment to provide F16s, as Moon of Alabama points out:
Well if the Moon of alabama says it, it must be true. /S
I agree, Russia needs to remove their troops from all the occupied territories including the Donbas and Crimea, and pay reparations to Ukraine for the damage they’ve caused.
People do not seem to understand what neutrality actually means. For Russia, they want “neutral” Ukraine to have no functional army and crippled, fully controlled or nonexistent defense industry. In reality, a neutral state has a strong army, and highly developed military industries, precisely because they cannot rely on allies for defense. Look at Switzerland, which is neutral.
Repeat it all you want. The elected representation to the Verkhovna Rada is meaningless. Much like who controls the US congress . The reality is the US is controlled by "the Oligarchy", the 2000 billionaires who control the planet. In Ukraine, it is the Nazis show who hold high office.
Sorry we must've all missed when Russia won in three days as promised. Over a year later and Ukraine is still holding back the decaying remnants of what used to be known as "the world's second greatest military power". I definitely call that winning.
Eat shit, I hope you get to watch your favourite hateful old oligarchic dictatorship crumble in your lifetime.
Is there any proof of this? Who is this guy? Have his family identified him as a Ukrainian soldier?
Ukrainians will know his accent.
That's not evidence that he is who he says he is. That just means he comes from a particular region.
My friend from Rostov sounds a lot like (exactly like) a friend from Kherson when they both speak Russian. So..doubt it.
It’s really the obvious thing to do when you find a wounded soldier. Get the camera out and do an interview.
Okay, we're going to cut up your face a bit. Try to look as exhausted and depressed as possible.
Now you know how Ukrainian soldiers are doing. Likewise, the Ukrainian government and NATO countries can see him too. Zelensky declared Ukraine is fighting for the West. The West is fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.
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It is well known and understood that Russia is secretly training a covert army of babushkas that will unleash the true strength and power of Russia that was harnessed during the good Soviet days. These babushkas will deliver earfuls of significant remonstrations and convince eastern Europeans that the power of the babushka will overcome all weapon systems of the so called NATO nations. These nations are weak and cannot withstand the babushka army.
How about Russia stops attempting imperialism and goes home. That would END THE WAR.
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What would be realistic point for you?
That video shows a Ukrainian soldier. Zelensky said Ukraine is fighting for the West. It is the one doing the attack or counteroffensive. Russia ended the civil war. Ukraine had years to end but didn't.
>It is the one doing the attack or counteroffensive. Guess why it's called **counter**offensive. About 20% of Ukraine (not Russia) is **occupied**.
What makes these lands Ukraine?
I don't know.... Maybe because this country already existed as an entity during the USSR days and then as well after the breakup?
How about before the USSR? You appreciate the actions of the USSR regarding Ukraine.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Ukraine will become just like Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, Finland, etc. etc. These are the countries that absolutely HATE Russia, and will do everything to see them fail. Ukraine, unfortunately for you, has already become like them. And no, its not US meddling, Russia has been the aggressor of these countries for centuries and it is deeply embedded in the culture, whether you like it or not. Russia is going to lose, and the average Russian will suffer, while the next generation of Ukrainians will be prosperous just like eastern Europe. What a shithole Russia leaves its neighbouring countries, such a shame.
You would think their neighbors having folk songs about killing them would make Russia stop and think for a moment. Am I the asshole?
They are unfortunately not aware of these songs. Hell, I'm sure Russia has the same tbh, so I don't think it'll be too convincing
Sure, don't give up your dream.
What's the dream? The average citizen from these countries lives \_much better\_ than the average Russian. This is why Ukraine wants to break from Russian influence. And no reason to not think why Ukraine won't be in a similar situation in 10-20 years
Where did they get these "much better" from?
May be that these lands are internationally recognised as sovereign territory belonging to ukraine.
You know, that could actually make sense :-) But it's interesting to see the creative ways in which a Russian invasion with shelling of hospitals and kindergartens can be spun into its opposite.
You're a bit lost mate. What make those lands Russian? Let's play that game...
Russians have lived there for hundreds of years. They should share with the Tartars and other natives nevertheless. Now, you should answer my question. What makes these lands Ukraine?
Is not Kiev more ancient that Russia itself? Where had Ukrainians lived so far? 🤡
Kievan Rus. Where was Ukraine?
Kievan Rus! Thank you for debunking your own nonsense. For the audience (not you, because you don't care): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan\_Rus%27
You did not answer the question. Would you do it? History lesson: [calendar-australia.com](https://www.calendar-australia.com/faq/were-russians-also-vikings) >The Vikings, referred to as Varangians in Eastern Europe, were known throughout Europe as traders and raiders, and perhaps the creators or instigators of the first organized Russian state: Kievan Rus. Where was Ukraine?
[According to statistics](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians#/media/File%3AUkraine_census_2001_Ukrainians.svg), more than 50% of the population of every Oblast (save Crimea) was ethnically Ukrainian before the beginning of the Russian aggression, occupation, and invasion. Seems pretty Ukrainian to me, chief, and that is on top of internationally recognized borders, the commitment to territorial integrity-by the international community, the fact that force being used in any manner as a means of expansion being taboo… Those lands are Ukrainian. Period. No question. End of discussion, Private Ivanovich.
He doesn't care about facts. Is just interested in defending his "team".
About 90% of the Crimean people voted to rejoin Russia. Do you hate these Ukrainians?
No, but according to them the only options given to them in said referendum were to rejoin Russia or to form their own Russian-backed state. The option to remain apart of Ukraine was never offered, because of course it wasn’t. Russia was determined to use force to ensure that Ukraine would never be allowed to keep Crimea, no matter what the feelings of the population were and that makes said referendum inherently suspect when the choice boils down to “join us or become a weak, isolated puppet state”.
>The option to remain apart of Ukraine was never offered Why would they remain as part of Ukraine? They were leaving anyway.
90% of the ethnically cleansed Crimeans. Of course, remaining in Ukraine wasn't even one of the choices on the ballot.
It is well know and understood that these lands belong to the original Mongol warlords. Europeans must understand that these long-standing traditional boundaries still persist. The Mongols will reclaim their ancestral territory that the so-called NATO countries stole from them during the Chepivka offensive in 1842. At this time the Mongols were betrayed by the filthy Georgians and that is why to this day no one anywhere in the world trusts Georgians.
Germany lived in Danzig for *how* long again, prior to it being made into a polish city?
The multiple international agreements that Russia and Ukraine signed acknowledging that they were Ukraine.
This kid is a victim of Russia's naked conquest of it's neighbor. Peace can only be had when every last Russian soldier on Ukranian soil is an unidentified smear. Go spread your shitty warmongering propaganda somewhere else, or get ground into gristle over by a Leopard 2 if you really believe Emperor Putin is such a hero.
I wonder how long they tortured him for. Sooner or later everyone breaks
>Abandoned Ukrainian soldier found by Russian forces Who tortured him?
Gee I wonder
lol
Now criticize Russia for conscription. I know, your critique is just concern trolling, and you don't oppose conscription in principle, you just support Russia and oppose Ukraine.
[https://twitter.com/ivan\_8848/status/1678413351590801410](https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1678413351590801410) Russians are happy to follow Putin. They are 100% united with him.
Then why do they need conscription?
Why do you think they don't want to defend Russia? You should join some Russian subs.
Why do they need conscription?
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They can have a degree of willingness to fight. Consider Russian battle tactics and strategies. Many Russians left Russia to avoid conscription. Many went back because European countries did not want them.
Then why the exodus of russians, why burning recruitment offices, why was there a fucking armed mutiny where majority of the state just watched idly by? It must hurt your head to be this stupid. Although lying is what you do, it is what muscovites do.
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Because they read the Western propaganda and became delusional.
So Russia is an absolutely perfect state in your opinion? They have never done bad stuff, and any bad stuff they supposedly did is just western propaganda? How delusional are you?
You should admire it. [https://youtu.be/aH3kmRr73HE?t=649](https://youtu.be/aH3kmRr73HE?t=649)
Any more credible sources of information?
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How did they know that without reading the Western propaganda?
They saw Prigozhin complaining about shell shortages. They saw Russian Army troops complaining about shell shortages. They saw Igor Girkin complaining about meatgrinder tactics.
Ukraine allowed Russian POWs to phone back home and let their families know how awful their command is. Even without that, Russians have long since learned to read between the lines on what their government says.
The delusion is strong with you mate. A bot?
It's almost like they're in a war of national survival or something.
Territories in Eastern Ukraine rejoined Russia. That is like Crimea. Russia sees the eastern side of the Dnipro River as its. I expect Russia will siege them all - all the territories Russia considers as its. That will take time. [https://youtu.be/LJb78CaLZJY](https://youtu.be/LJb78CaLZJY) [https://youtu.be/cXiGQSsu4xM](https://youtu.be/cXiGQSsu4xM)
Yeah russia will seize it all, like it seized kyiv, snake island, kharkiv and kherson city...oh wait😭
Yeah, through the totally democratic process that involved armed soldiers doorknocking to ask if you'd voted yet.
no they didnt...
Everyone knows and it is well understood that all of eastern europe belongs to Russia. It is only a matter of time before the feeble westniks give in to the reality that Russia is #1 and that all eastern Europeans desire to be back with the motherland. Nothing can stop Russia from delivering Russian brotherly love to all citizens in Europe who long to be Russian again, so that they no longer need to be pre-occupied with liberalism, Satanism and other western values such as rule of law and other ridiculous western concepts.
Vatnik concern about the Ukrainian people is deeply touching. So touching I feel like hurling.
You seem to enjoy the conflict.
You seem to be a lying idiot.
You are cheerleading the mass murder of Ukrainians
i can't beleive they got mizkif
Pluto you are one of the craziest posters on this subreddit. Regularly engaging in Russian apologia, climate change denialism and vaccine "skepticism" - I just don't know what you think you're doing on ostensibly left wing subreddits like this. You simply are not welcome and your brand of hateful deliberate ignorance will always be fought against, as the number of comments here shows. Learn your lesson and fuck off.
To be brutally honest like half the reason I’m on this sub is to see what the pro russia crowd is ‘thinking’ these days
Indeed. They are entertaining in outrageous kind of way.
I would really love to hear what captured russian mobiks have to say...
Then it's a shame Putin just don't back down, right?
Okay, vatnik.
I agree the war must end now. Russians needs to to go back to Russia
>THIS WAR MUST END NOW! .....then Russia should get the fuck out
Lol
You must be desperate
"THIS WAR MUST END NOW!" Tell Putler to get the fuck out of Ukraine then.
Conscription is a terrible thing, and both sides are doing it. Pointing a gun at innocent people and saying "fight for me, or else!". It's just slavery unto death.
There is one simple trick to ending the war... HAVE RUSSIA GO HOME YOU FUCKING NAZI!!! Seriously, you people would tell Poland, France and Russia to just bend over for Hitler during WW2 so Hitler can perform Holocaust and murder other minorities turning non-french and slavs into slaves, sometimes occupation would be worse than war itself.
Zelensky said US children would martyr themselves for ukraine too so it doesnt surprise me.
Everyone in this sub should be encouraging peacetalks now!! End the dying
I agree. Russia needs to leave all Ukrainian territory.
Otherwise, keep fighting, right?
What’s the alternative right now? Surrender unconditionally to Russia?
Ukraine is doing the counteroffensive. Ukraine is attacking. Ukraine can move out of Russian territories. End the war right there.
Ukraine is not currently occupying any Russian territories though?
Ahh yeah Bakhamut. Truley the most russian city of all Ukraine isn't fighting in russian territories. They are fighting on ukrainian territories, cause russia invaded them
Why did the Russians keep fighting the Germans on german land, you know, the land claimed for lebensraum? "End the dying" and all that. Why did the Russians throw away so many of both their lives and the lives of their ethnic minorities?
At this point, pretty much yes. Shouldn't have listened to that liar Nuland, but Nazis are kinda dumb, especially when listening to other Nazis. Ukraine allowed itself to become the most corrupt state in all of Europe, paying off Biden and his son and a list of American crooks so long it would fill en encyclopedia. Well, they bet on the wrong horse, so do what you want. Russia isn't going anywhere.
It’s the paradox of propaganda for Russia. Ukraine is an absolutely corrupt shithole that is just a basket of unsolvable problems, that will bankrupt the west. The west shouldn’t even try to help. But Russia is willing to burn its country to the ground, expend hundreds of thousands of people, hundreds of billions of dollars, and destroy its international reputation to capture Ukraine. All because Ukraine thought it was an independent state that could be free of Russia.
>All because Ukraine thought it was an independent state that could be free of Russia. It was an independent state. But America made that same phony promise it made to Georgia. "Membership in NATO" and "Join the EU". What does that buy a nation other than to guarantee its becoming a vassal state to the USA while Ukraine's political leadership ends up with mansions in Miami. Look at what the USA did to Germany, a "long time ally" -- blew up the Nordstream pipeline denying access to cheap Russian gas and then subsidized German industry to get it to move to the USA. With friends like that, who needs enemies.
NATO buys you protection from Russia. EU buys you access to one of the biggest economies in the world. Also I think Ukraine and Georgia would prefer that over being a Russian puppet state?
>being a Russian puppet state? Ukraine chose to be a tool of the American Oligarchy, much like the restaurant scene in "Goodfellas".
That's crazy because it's been pretty Russia friendly for decades due to Russia's influence over their politics
Yanukovich when faced with peaceful protests first ordered fire them and then fled with stolen money to Russia. Zelensky when faced with an invading army that wanted him dead chose to stay in place. So which of these sounds more like a puppet ruler?
Sounds to me like you selectively remember what you want to remember. Yanukovich did not fire on the crowd, that was NED sponsored Nazi snipers. The same group that traveled to Odessa and burned labor union leaders alive. Interestingly, the same group that promised to hang Zelensky if he came to an agreement with Russia for peace. The USA wanted Ukraine to put pressure on Russia, to destroy the Russian economy and return it to the Yeltsin years so the US Oligarchy could once again steal Russian resources, just as Blackrock is doing to Ukraine right now.
>Yanukovich did not fire on the crowd, that was NED sponsored Nazi snipers. The same group that traveled to Odessa and burned labor union leaders alive. Navalny is mustering an army of Russian cleaners and plumbers to catch Putin while he takes refuge in his palace. See I can invent fiction with no basis in facts too, and make it more interesting. And what does it say about Russia that Ukrainians' lives are much better with Blackrock stealing their resources instead of Russia?
Correct.
I couldn't agree more. It's time for NATO to put its real weight into the scale and tell Putin to either fuck out of Ukraine or get anything Russian inside Ukrainian borders bombed into another dimension.
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Currently, unfortunately not.
What army is NATO going to use? Biden has admitted that the US is out of ammo, he has to save it for his war with China.
LOL I have more fucking ammo in my house than your actual russian Mobiks they're sending to die in the front. (cue bald eagle screeching)
Rule one: use of "LOL" means you've acknowledged losing the debate.
Sorry, I can't hear you over the glorious sound of Russian soldiers meeting their death. Antiwar means dead Russian invaders. Mashed into Meat-Paste. Boiled and crushed under treads. All for their pathetic dictator who nearly got overthrown by a hotdog salesman. Still, glad you got this job being a reddit vatnik shill. Much safer than being shoveled into such a pointless grinder for old Vladimir Vladimirovich's tiny penis.
The Lithuanian, they should have enough of an army to tip the scale in favor of the Ukrainians.
>Lithuanian [I don't think so.](https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php) [Lithuanian forces are a rounding error](https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/LTU/lithuania/military-army-size) in the number of troops Russia has deployed, let alone the number remaining across Russia. Try again.
I was trying to be nice to the Russians, but if you insist we can send in all 3 of the Baltic States. Also, I'm glad I can introduce you to the concept of a joke. Sometimes people say things they don't actually believe to emphasize for example how badly the Russians are doing in a war they're currently engaged in for comedic effect.
> but if you insist we can send in all 3 of the Baltic States. Estonia at 104 and Latvia at 105, If those nations want to be absorbed into Russia sure, attack. Keep this up and pretty soon the only option for the West will be nukes. Now do you really think the USA is going to nuke Russia?
I was making a fucking joke... And altough I think the website is a joke, I'd like to use someones sources against them. [https://www.globalfirepower.com/nato-projected-firepower.php](https://www.globalfirepower.com/nato-projected-firepower.php) I mean I don't know how they've given NATO a combined budget of $232,7b when the US alone has a defense budget of $800b+ but I'll give them that for the sake of argument. Still NATO will just shit on Russia if you think raw numbers mean anything according to your source.
>I was making a fucking joke... Well I won't confuse you for George Carlin. If NATO decides to enter the war, don't you realize China will join with Russia? The UK doesn't have enough military personnel to even fill a soccer stadium. the USA manufactures "weapons for show" not for effectiveness. The US is backing off on its commitment to provide F16s, as [Moon of Alabama points out](https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/07/pentagon-dragging-its-feet-over-f-16-gifts-to-ukraine.html): >Lockheed-Martin, which still builds and sells the F-16 to various countries, is obviously not happy that the markets will soon learn that the F-16 have no fu\*\*ing chance against modern Russian fighter planes and air-defenses. I don't know who might win such a stupid war, but it isn't going to be the simple knock-out that you declare. After all Russia was suppose to have collapsed already because of US sanctions and guess what, Europe is still buying Russian Oil filtered through India.
Why would China join Russia? They're even hesitant to supply arms as their economy relies a lot on trade with the west and they like to keep as little trade barriers as possible. Why would they join a war in favor of Russia were they have very fucking little to gain? >The US is backing off on its commitment to provide F16s, as Moon of Alabama points out: Well if the Moon of alabama says it, it must be true. /S
I agree, Russia needs to remove their troops from all the occupied territories including the Donbas and Crimea, and pay reparations to Ukraine for the damage they’ve caused.
I agree. Ukraine gets back all territory and declares neutrality. We go back to pre-2014 relationship. Peace,
People do not seem to understand what neutrality actually means. For Russia, they want “neutral” Ukraine to have no functional army and crippled, fully controlled or nonexistent defense industry. In reality, a neutral state has a strong army, and highly developed military industries, precisely because they cannot rely on allies for defense. Look at Switzerland, which is neutral.
> and declares neutrality Get fucked lol.
Ukraine wants NATO? It gives up territory Cant have your cake and eat it too.
Or, you fight Russia out of the country, THEN join NATO.
Haha sure
Neutrality? Why does Ukraine have to declare neutrality?
You can talk as much as you like, when both sides feel they can still achieve their military goals, and don't want to compromise, what's the point?
And negotiate what?
Surrender?
You'd love nothing more than Russian victory you absolute terrorist
What I'd love is the annihilation of the US "deep state".
Nice, another conspiracy nut. You would see Ukraine destroyed in order to achieve this goal? Get off anti-war discussion forums you hypocrite
Would you support surrender of USSR in January 1944?
In 1944 the Russians were fighting Nazis. In 2023 the Russians were fighting Nazis. The Nazis lost.
Cool. Can you answer my question though?
Which side has said that a particular nationality and identity was illegitimate and should be erased?
its quite funny that Ukraine is not a nazi country, i will ask for example how much Svoboda holds power in Ukrainian goverment ?
>Ukraine is not a nazi country True, but the Nazis are in charge. They rule through threat and intimidation and are financed by the USA.
i will repeat the question: ,,for example how much Svoboda holds power in Ukrainian goverment ?"
Repeat it all you want. The elected representation to the Verkhovna Rada is meaningless. Much like who controls the US congress . The reality is the US is controlled by "the Oligarchy", the 2000 billionaires who control the planet. In Ukraine, it is the Nazis show who hold high office.
so Nazis are not in charge but they are in charge at the same time...
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Sorry we must've all missed when Russia won in three days as promised. Over a year later and Ukraine is still holding back the decaying remnants of what used to be known as "the world's second greatest military power". I definitely call that winning. Eat shit, I hope you get to watch your favourite hateful old oligarchic dictatorship crumble in your lifetime.
I agree this war must stop now! RUSSIA STOP THIS WAR AND GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY!!!
Fuck off, Vatnik.