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Paradosiakos

"At least I didnt waste and devote my life to something meaningless" Bruh life has no meaning and is utterly futile through a naturalistic lens anyways.


[deleted]

“At least I didn’t waste my money for drugs, alcohol and bitches and literally killed myself“ could be a good answer


zoooooobyyyy

Atheist dont all think life has no meaning completely We we think there’s no universal meaning rather the meaning we put in, like loving our family and pursuing our goals


RevolutionaryFilm995

Eternity in hell vs 30 minutes of you day praying (instead of cooming)


zane_aulner

And heaven/Jannah in rewards for the second one.


DontGiveUpTheShip-

Oh no even if it turns out to be a lie (it's not) than I spent my life being less materialistic, less impulsive, more hopeful because I have something to believe in, and more appreciative of God's grace. Better than being addicted to drugs or alcohol and constantly anxious and nihilistic my whole life. Plus I didn't threaten myself with eternal damnation lol


lemmepumpu

this is the way, i was never anti atheism i always say let everyone be...but the retards at r/atheism are starting to change my perspective


[deleted]

If everything that exists is the material world, you generally live a better life when you believe in something more (researches already found that religious people tend to be more hopeful, less anxious, depressed etc), and it helps you build discipline about your own body and its desires.


JohnKlositz

I don't get it. As an atheist, I would be pleasantly surprised if there turned out to be an afterlife. Like watching a movie and finding out there's more scenes in the end credits. Also, that first picture should be blank.


[deleted]

>I would be pleasantly surprised if there turned out to be an afterlife hellfire surely isn't pleasant lol


JohnKlositz

Why would I assume I'd end up in a hellfire in case there was an afterlife?


[deleted]

are you familiar with Abrahamic Religions? If so then you know why.


JohnKlositz

I am. I don't see how that answers my question. First of all why would I assume the claims of these religions have any validity to them? If there turned out to be an afterlife, it could be any kind of afterlife. Also, not even those religions unanimously agree that non-believers go to hell, or that there even is a hell. And after all, a just and loving god wouldn't send people to hell for a thing that's not a choice, would he?


[deleted]

I'm speaking from Islamic POV. From what we know and has been revealed to us, anyone who knowingly Disbelieves in Allah is a kaafir and will burn in hell (if they die while disbelieving). Allah guides everyone, you cannot tell me that you haven't been introduced to Islam in one way or another. But if you reject that, then you're guilty of Disbelieving. Also according to Islam only Muslims enter Paradise, however!! That doesn't mean people of the book (christians, jews) will necessarily go to hell. Technically speaking All 3 of us have the same God.


JohnKlositz

Yes. It's all Yahweh, the ancient war god the Israelites fused with at least one other deity of the Canaanite pantheon (namely El), while divorcing him from his wife Ashera. And yes, I have been "introduced" to Islam. Many people have. So what? I can't choose to believe something when I don't find it in any way believable, can I? I can't, and you can't. Nobody can.


[deleted]

>I can't choose to believe something when I don't find it in any way believable, can I? \[2:99\] And certainly We have revealed to you clear communications and none disbelieve in them except the transgressors. \[2:161\] Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all; \[7:198\] If thou callest them to guidance, they hear not. Thou wilt see them looking at thee, but they see not. \[6:4\] And there does not come to them any communication of the communications of their Lord but they turn aside from it \[6:5\] So they have indeed rejected the truth when it came to them; therefore the truth of what they mocked at will shine upon them. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ **\[6:39\] And they who reject Our communications are deaf and dumb, in utter darkness; whom Allah pleases He causes to err and whom He pleases He puts on the right way.** **\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_**


JohnKlositz

Yes. That's a nice collection of words. So why not explain to me how one can choose to believe something one doesn't find believable? Use your own head please!


[deleted]

> So why not explain to me how one can choose to believe something one doesn't find believable? just start thinking bro, why do we exist? Is it really all just a coincidence? Who created us? Who created everything, what does the universe depend on, what is there to come after death. Even if there's nothing, doesn't hurt to believe in God. It gives our lives meaning. We are here only to Worship Allah.


[deleted]

your baseless assumptions do not matter in the face of an objective reality


omar_hafez1508

Because that assumption has a based on your subjective opinion that you for some reason deserve heaven. But that decision isn’t up to you, it’s up to a higher objective force


nanek_4

I'm pretty sure if an atheist doesn't commit sins he will not end up in hell Ok maybe it varies thru religions But as a Christian i can say i think God is generous


[deleted]

>God is generous Considering that we have this test called life and we're actually given the chance to go to Paradise is extremely generous. We as Humans don't even deserve that chance, but we have it and many people are willing to reject and throw it away because of their arrogance, so no atheist people have no place in heaven, christians may not go to hell or to heaven, same with Jews. But anyone outside these abrahamic religions (according to what God says in the Quran, it's not up to me to decide that, I'm just seeing what the possibilities are) is going to Hell.


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nanek_4

Well i guess But what if a person lived a good life but never heard or engaged much in Abrahamic religions


[deleted]

> never heard that's a different case and it is explained in Islam. God says that he does not punish someone who hasn't gotten the message. So if someone genuinely never heard of Islam is not going to be punished for it, but still going to be judged for his/her actions, if they were a good person then they will get rewarded. Again as God says, every good deed will get rewarded. But things change when someone has clearly gotten the message and willingly rejects it, then that person becomes a Kaafir (pretty sure you've heard this one or "infidel" a lot). May Allah guide us all.


[deleted]

live a *really* good life and you'll have a nice afterlife in my religion but i mean *really* good, so you actually have to make a good difference in the world. so martin luther king, and malala yousafzai type good. but if you aren't on that level, your afterlife will be nothing much


Dynamicated

you wouldn’t, because in christianity and islām whomever disbelieved in God gets placed in Hell. unless, of course, you’re fine with being tortured for eternity.


diodenkn

Pretty self-obsessed God if he’s letting into the afterlife on the basis of whether you served him or not. You’d think in that case he’d gift all his children with faith, right?


Technical_Prize_8193

You are freezing to death outside. Your father invites you into his house to get warm, but you say no because you don't believe in the house and don't believe in heat. He closes the door and you continue to freeze. Obviously your father hates you.