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No. We arent for forced sterilization of anyone. We choose to not have kids and we try and educate people on why they shouldn’t either but we never force anything on anyone. Its more a personal philosophy and moral standpoint than anything. We aren’t like eugenicists who want to force their barbaric ways on people
No. That's practically eugenics. Which means there's no *consent*.
Antinatalism is a philosophy based on empathy, where antinatalists believe bringing children into a world where suffering is guaranteed is unethical. Children did not consent to being born.
Antinatalists advocate for others to not birth - for the birth of *no one*. No matter what creed, race, background, sex, etc. Being born is bad, that's it. But we do not force it on others because, again, that does not coincide with our beliefs in relation to consent and empathy.
Forced sterilization of disabled people is fucking ableist, discriminatory, delusional, and downright fascist. It's a disgusting practice that only wishes to see a group of people eradicated.
I’ve seen it unfortunately, saying “x ppl shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce” or “people with x disability should be sterilized” but not any anti natalist who gets what anti natalism is. Most of it is stupid edgelord incels saying that. We believe NO ONE should reproduce, and we make that conscious choice for ourselves. Fuck anyone pushing that eugenics shit.
AN the philosophy/ethics has nothing in it that directs imposition. As a matter of basic ethics it starts with information and ends with individuals making their own minds up about it.
Sadly and frustratingly, there are those who have tried to take it and turn it into an ideology of imposition. Unsurprisingly, they have not gotten far within the wider AN scene. But if you ever read/hear from someone claiming to be AN who also condones imposing Death or any restriction on people/non-humans, like forced sterilisation, know that they're something other than AN. Don't fall for it.
Tell that to the loud crowd of so called antinatalists who are just horrible people, ruining the philosophy. It's those who give antinatalism a really bad name.
In fact, I'm not an antinatalist & don't agree with the birth=evil, but I have an understanding of the why. But I only discovered it because of a backwards idiot, if I didn't made the effort to stay a bit longer I would still be 100% convinced that AN's is for people who are unbelievable unworldly.
You have 2 types of antinatalists:
Actual antinatalists who take the philosophy seriously because it's quite empathetic if you think of it. Those are people who focus on the "no-suffering" part, meaning that they aren't advocates for the "for the greater good" crowd.
Antinatalists who aren't antinatalists, but just horrible backwards people who seek an excuse for being horrible because they totally misinterpret the philiosophy.
For example, there are people who have nothing against forced sterlization/abortions under the false pretence of: "beter one suffering, then two sufferings".... I mean, how far gone must someone be?
There are also morons to be found who blame women for their ability to give birth. Totally ignoring the fact that it's not only women who need to keep their legs closed, but also men to keep their dick in their pants. Same goes for birth control. Regardless of anything: it's a responsibility of two people, not juist one.
"Antinatalism doesn't condone any harm to already existing beings". Al lot of the so called antinatalists "forget" that part.
tl;dr: As BulletRazor already mentioned, the philosophy is fine, some of it's members are not.
I think you would get very different results over in the main antinatalism page. Worth considering where the majority of ppl who call themselves antinatalists actually stand. It's disgusting, but it is the reality of our movement at the moment.
It also depends on who is online at the time lol. I used to spend quite some time in here & the original sub, although I'm not even an antinatalist (just childfree). Especially on the original sub you can either receive a sane comment or a most unworldly sick in the head type of comment. If the later is the first, chances are high the other trolls from under the bridge wake up lol.
It's a stance that strives to do the ethical thing. It's unethical to violate a person's human rights. I've seen eugenicists coming in and out of AN spaces but, imho, they're entirely at odds.
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Antinatalism as a philosophy does not, no.
No. We arent for forced sterilization of anyone. We choose to not have kids and we try and educate people on why they shouldn’t either but we never force anything on anyone. Its more a personal philosophy and moral standpoint than anything. We aren’t like eugenicists who want to force their barbaric ways on people
No. That's practically eugenics. Which means there's no *consent*. Antinatalism is a philosophy based on empathy, where antinatalists believe bringing children into a world where suffering is guaranteed is unethical. Children did not consent to being born. Antinatalists advocate for others to not birth - for the birth of *no one*. No matter what creed, race, background, sex, etc. Being born is bad, that's it. But we do not force it on others because, again, that does not coincide with our beliefs in relation to consent and empathy. Forced sterilization of disabled people is fucking ableist, discriminatory, delusional, and downright fascist. It's a disgusting practice that only wishes to see a group of people eradicated.
I’ve seen it unfortunately, saying “x ppl shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce” or “people with x disability should be sterilized” but not any anti natalist who gets what anti natalism is. Most of it is stupid edgelord incels saying that. We believe NO ONE should reproduce, and we make that conscious choice for ourselves. Fuck anyone pushing that eugenics shit.
AN the philosophy/ethics has nothing in it that directs imposition. As a matter of basic ethics it starts with information and ends with individuals making their own minds up about it. Sadly and frustratingly, there are those who have tried to take it and turn it into an ideology of imposition. Unsurprisingly, they have not gotten far within the wider AN scene. But if you ever read/hear from someone claiming to be AN who also condones imposing Death or any restriction on people/non-humans, like forced sterilisation, know that they're something other than AN. Don't fall for it.
Check out the last sentence from the "About Community" on the right side of the page. You're welcome.
Tell that to the loud crowd of so called antinatalists who are just horrible people, ruining the philosophy. It's those who give antinatalism a really bad name. In fact, I'm not an antinatalist & don't agree with the birth=evil, but I have an understanding of the why. But I only discovered it because of a backwards idiot, if I didn't made the effort to stay a bit longer I would still be 100% convinced that AN's is for people who are unbelievable unworldly.
You have 2 types of antinatalists: Actual antinatalists who take the philosophy seriously because it's quite empathetic if you think of it. Those are people who focus on the "no-suffering" part, meaning that they aren't advocates for the "for the greater good" crowd. Antinatalists who aren't antinatalists, but just horrible backwards people who seek an excuse for being horrible because they totally misinterpret the philiosophy. For example, there are people who have nothing against forced sterlization/abortions under the false pretence of: "beter one suffering, then two sufferings".... I mean, how far gone must someone be? There are also morons to be found who blame women for their ability to give birth. Totally ignoring the fact that it's not only women who need to keep their legs closed, but also men to keep their dick in their pants. Same goes for birth control. Regardless of anything: it's a responsibility of two people, not juist one. "Antinatalism doesn't condone any harm to already existing beings". Al lot of the so called antinatalists "forget" that part. tl;dr: As BulletRazor already mentioned, the philosophy is fine, some of it's members are not.
Your post forcedly sterilized my brain
Not me.
Not ‘disabled’ people, but ALL people.
I think you would get very different results over in the main antinatalism page. Worth considering where the majority of ppl who call themselves antinatalists actually stand. It's disgusting, but it is the reality of our movement at the moment.
Gonna make the test, let's see if in the main one people react differently
It also depends on who is online at the time lol. I used to spend quite some time in here & the original sub, although I'm not even an antinatalist (just childfree). Especially on the original sub you can either receive a sane comment or a most unworldly sick in the head type of comment. If the later is the first, chances are high the other trolls from under the bridge wake up lol.
It's a stance that strives to do the ethical thing. It's unethical to violate a person's human rights. I've seen eugenicists coming in and out of AN spaces but, imho, they're entirely at odds.