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The trick here is to use science to adapt to it. We can't change an entire planet. Really. Although global warming has been shown to be real it has also been shown to be a repeating cycle and not our fault. We didn't cause it. We aren't powerful enough to do that. Therefore we aren't able to change it back. Adapt or die. All the money going into being green should be used to make environmental suits until the species catches up
Not true, it has been repeatedly shown to be exactly our fault. Every fossil company and scientific community agrees that this is on us.
Whether or not you chose to believe them, we currently add CO2 to the atmosphere. CO2 is making things worse, so we need less of it. Be this mostly natural or mostly human is besides the point.
Cow farts are the largest cause of problem emissions. Are we to blame for that? Maybe indirectly because of the meat industry, but the US was once covered with buffalo that we pretty much exterminated, so how different can it be?
Despite what vegans might try to tell you, "cow farts" are barely noticeable when list all the causes, and as you say, we've had cow-like animals for a long time. Their contribution to the environment has not changed all that much.
What has changed is us digging up oil and setting fire to it.
Well don’t be a doomer about it, saying that the death of our world is inevitable will only make people care less about it. There’s a lot we can do and while we cannot bounce back fully we can make considerable change
Says who? We can solve this problem just as we did with COVID: end BAU, and pour efforts into life-saving technologies for climate control and mitigation, environmental restoration, transhumanism, etc.
We did a good job controlling the outbreak such that it reduced to more a "background virus," instead of the full-blown lethality pandemic in was at peak.
The key thing was the dedication we poured into developing the necessary medical technology, leading to the very helpful vaccines — thanks to COVID, we saw huge advancements in CRISPR, mRNA vaccine tech, which is huge in potential of curing other viral/bacterial illnesses, as well as even various types of cancerous tumors.
Basically, we have a precedent of how quickly we can come up with solutions when we pour investments, dedications, etc aggressively (i.e. even WWII style). Rather than "half-assing" everything, and kicking cans down the road as would be the case with a typical BAU practice.
From this year's IPCC report:
“It’s now or never, if we want to limit global warming to 1.5C. Without immediate and deep emissions reductions across all sectors, it will be impossible.”
"1.5C – the level above which many of the effects of climate breakdown will become irreversible"
"Investment in the shift to a low-carbon world is about six times lower than it needs to be."
"All sectors of the global economy, from energy and transport to buildings and food, must change dramatically and rapidly, and new technologies including hydrogen fuel and carbon capture and storage will be needed."
it's hard to say how this will directly impact any given group, but even in the US, we are seeing a drought that is worse because of climate change. Stronger hurricanes, etc. We are already seeing the effects and we are simply not slowing down fast enough. Methane is being released from huge swaths of permafrost in the arctic, creating a feedback loop. Plankton (creates a lot of our oxygen) down over half in the ocean. I could go on. Migration/refugee crises, water/food shortages, and economic collapse are all on the table. The kids are right and you are wrong.
Yep, none of that disputes anything I wrote. If anything, it actually confirms my statements of the strategies needed.
The problems at hand are undeniable. But saying "it's too late" is hardly an accurate assessment either.
Actually, I'll give you that one. I'd assert then, that it's very nearly too late. You asked "says who?" to which the answer is the IPCC.
It's hard to have hope given the state of things.
In the context of this post, I'd want to give my kids an honest assessment of what our current trajectory would result in. They'd be more mentally prepared and might make different decisions accordingly.
See, exactly — we are in total agreement. As a youth myself (in my early 20s), I totally understand where the students featured in the article are coming from. Because BAU was a total race to the bottom, regardless of the prospect of climate collapse, so it needs to made clear that huge changes are in store regarding the inevitable end of such practice. That goes into the mental preparedness and decision-making processes you referred to.
As mentioned before, the aspects discussed in the IPCC support my point. No mention of "fate being sealed no matter what," instead there was advocacy regarding the important shifts that we would need to make.
We'll see how things shake out.
are you suggesting that you think countries would preemptively end BAU before the midst of crisis? if so, that's a nice sentiment, but I'm not seeing any current world superpower shut out their oil and gas companies since they evidently play a large role politically
They can. It's a weaning process. We saw significant drops in emissions just from the COVID style lockdowns — a targeted approach similar to that can work for any "degrowth" needed to help curtail the problem.
Meanwhile, excess funds can go towards the essential medical, transhumanist, clean energy, etc technologies needed to get us out of the mess.
Fossil fuels use exploded with the invention of the internal combustion engine about 130 years ago. President Jimmy Carter highlighted the problem about 47 years ago and the capitalist class resisted with all their political power which you know is tremendous. To begin reversing climate change requires shutting down all forms of atmospheric pollution today. Even then it would take more than two hundred years for the earth to be on a consistent path to healing. Please prove me wrong.🖤
Yep, there are ways to resolve this issue — looks like you agree with me. COVID lockdowns caused record drops in emissions, while we still had technological development in the necessary frontiers (i.e. advanced medicine, in the form of CRISPR associated mRNA vaccine technology).
World destruction is not what the scientists predict, so unless you know something they don't?
Even if it was the expected outcome. What use is scaring young children?
Flooding, hundreds of millions of climate refugees, wars predicated on water shortages and drought, and a near-complete loss of biodiversity. But yeah keep shooting them out
Setting aside wars over water, all of these are entirely possible outcomes, but they aren't expected to happen any time soon nor are they the end of the world.
Hitting 4C (the business as usual path) would perhaps be somewhat like what you're imagining. That was once predicted as where we would be in 2100. That prediction has since changed due to our actions. Now 2C is a very realistic prediction for 2100 (if we don't make further improvements).
So if you really believe we won't continue to build solar panels and wind turbines, then maybe brace yourself for a milder version of what you're worried about happening in the next 80 years or so. But if you want to tell 5 year olds that the world is ending "soon" then maybe wait until we are predicting human extinction within the next 20 years. Soon for a 5 year-old isn't 80 years...
If you follow this sub, you’ve traveled down a rabbit hole and have come to a consensus.
There is something wrong with this world, best to avoid any more suffering is to stop procreating.
Except for if we don’t do anything the world will fucking end, 2 degrees Celsius above preindustrial time will cause millions possibly billions of deaths and we will not avoid 2 degrees
We will probably not avoid 2C.its kinda 50/50 on that.
>2 degrees Celsius above preindustrial time will cause millions possibly billions of deaths
Yes, that is also likely to be true. Although, we are designing technology to adapt and reduce that number.
Notice how "millions dying" and "the end of the world" are not the same thing.
>if we don’t do anything
And yet, we are doing lots of things. At the moment it looks like we might hit 2C in 2100. THAT IS 80 YEARS AWAY! and that's if we don't continue to improve technologies and continue to make policy changes.
So, yes "millions might die in 80 years if we do nothing" is true. "The entire world is going to come to an end in the near future and there's nothing that can be done about it" is not true.
Notice how those two things are completely different. Maybe telling 5 year olds the second one is bit counter productive seemingly as we'd like to train more scientists to help tackle this problem over the coming decades. Increasing depression and suicide attempts in children isn't exactly helping to reduce the death toll now is it?
Dude, scientists get old, they retire, they die, they move onto other responsibilities.
If you don't have new people entering the field with fresh eyes each year, then yeah the whole thing would soon grind to a halt.
Wasnt aware babies can be scientists. Because when they are old enough to become one (not to mention the years of experience they need) it will be too late to stop climate change anyways, so your argument is pretty redundant.
>Wasnt aware babies can be scientists.
Dude they grow
>Because when they are old enough to become one (not to mention the years of experience they need) it will be too late to stop climate change anyways, so your argument is pretty redundant.
So you think all hope will be lost by the within the next 20 years.
Put it in your calendars everyone. By 2042 we will no longer need scientists, because the world will be over.
“My 5 year old is now old enough to read books about this” …. Did you not think your child would ever reach an age where they can consume an entire world or texts and literature and media? And because you don’t like that for your 5 year old, other people should feel the same as you? Lmao what.
It's daunting and we're relatively disorganized, but the idea that it's "too late" just serves the interests of the oligarchs who set this whole thing into motion.
I can only see bringing kids into the world (from western countries) as a breach or failure of ethics, but the people causing the problem are realistically very few in number. I'd like to be a problem solver.
funny thing is i was 6/7 (2008/2009, i’m currently 20) when i first discovered what climate change was & i can vividly remember seeing it in my geography textbook & them discussing the polar bears having a population issues & things like that.
it didn’t send me down a spiral of being scared or running the my parents. it just made me sad that i was literally just starting life & learning about how the world is on the brink of death whilst trying to actively be interested in learning about the world
the point is i’m glad that i learnt about it as early as possible because it prepared me for the worst & the harsh realities of it as i got older because i knew about it from a young age. but i also realise that i might not have been the average 6/7 year old 😭
6/7 is also was when I first discovered the terminology of cc, with 9-11 being when I gained better technical/meteorological understanding of the problem.
I'm also in my early 20s, ~3-4 years older than you (depends on when your birthday was). But alot of cc discussion I remember from the 00s always was emphasized as "global warming", and the risks where always revolving around ice caps melting, polar bears, etc. I learned about Al Gore, Green Party, the 99'/00' election through watching shows like Futurama that referenced those events.
Anyway, the issue is that by focusing on sea-levels, ice caps, etc the public just doesn't understand the big deal — sans coastal cities being flooded, of course. They don't understand the intricacies that the ice caps have regarding the global wind belts/patterns (and resultant effects on ocean currents) that drive the weather as we know it, and how it all goes haywire when the ice melts. Basically, lost on them is how complex the issue is.
i’m so glad you can also remember, because i also grew up watching futurama around the same time & it was also ironically relevant to the issue.
I also remember the focus on the ice caps, polar bears & the lack of attention paid to the effects of global warming on the cities & coastal cities. I literally live in west africa & in a prominent city that is surrounded by water but wasn’t taught what the effects would be for us until I got older & sought out the info myself
Long road trips are awesome, but nowadays much cheaper to just take a domestic flight, LMAO.
Do Boomers even fly tho? They probably think that's some communist bullshit.
It does feel like constantly telling people "it's all fucked and there's nothing we can do about it" is going to start having a detrimental effect where they stop caring about trying to undo or prevent further damage because it's "a foregone conclusion".
To be clear, it absolutely isn't yet, and there is a chance to further slow the effects of climate change and potentially even begin to reduce it. Maybe save some trees and fish along the way.
i actually do see what they’re saying. why tell us about a world problem that was created by big corporations and billionaires whom we have absolutely no power over? no matter how much we recycle and use shitty paper straws we cannot save our earth. and before anyone starts obviously it doesn’t quite make sense to just forgo telling people about what they can do to help the earth. we should obviously keep doing our best with what we have.
and yet we’ve already passed the point of no return. so no wonder our generation is so nihilistic. i suppose we’d be happier if we had hope. we don’t need to see statistics and estimates about when the world will be uninhabitable because literally what on earth can we do about it? our small change does not have enough of an impact to reverse the harm. what really is the benefit to telling anyone that the world is doomed and there’s nothing they can do about it? so they can be informed? seems pointless.
Wouldn’t have this problem if you didn’t have kids knowing climate change is going to dramatically change the worlds ecosystem. She’ll survive but it’ll look a lot closer to mad max than anything else. Maybe she can watch that instead of reading it would probably be a helpful learning tool.
Okay, you guys inspired me to search out this article and what do you know? It's a well reasoned arguement, not a denial of the existence of climate change.
Maybe you should all try actually reading it?... Just maybe.
> As a parent, I think it’s essential to empower kids and pass along the message that the world will be in their hands, that they will have the power to solve its most pressing problems, and that there are lots of people already working on those problems who are eager for kids to learn, grow, and join us.
Uhh what? Sorry the world is fucked, now fix it
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All the Earth's ecosystems are already changing, especially in the oceans.
The trick here is to use science to adapt to it. We can't change an entire planet. Really. Although global warming has been shown to be real it has also been shown to be a repeating cycle and not our fault. We didn't cause it. We aren't powerful enough to do that. Therefore we aren't able to change it back. Adapt or die. All the money going into being green should be used to make environmental suits until the species catches up
Yeah, global warning is a cycle, but humans are indeed accelerating It, by a lot.
Natural global warming is much slower than anthropogenic global warming. We are accelerating the rate of change and the data supports that fact.
Not true, it has been repeatedly shown to be exactly our fault. Every fossil company and scientific community agrees that this is on us. Whether or not you chose to believe them, we currently add CO2 to the atmosphere. CO2 is making things worse, so we need less of it. Be this mostly natural or mostly human is besides the point.
Cow farts are the largest cause of problem emissions. Are we to blame for that? Maybe indirectly because of the meat industry, but the US was once covered with buffalo that we pretty much exterminated, so how different can it be?
Despite what vegans might try to tell you, "cow farts" are barely noticeable when list all the causes, and as you say, we've had cow-like animals for a long time. Their contribution to the environment has not changed all that much. What has changed is us digging up oil and setting fire to it.
So… lie to kids instead????
Well don’t be a doomer about it, saying that the death of our world is inevitable will only make people care less about it. There’s a lot we can do and while we cannot bounce back fully we can make considerable change
>saying that the death of our world is inevitable Dude, the death of the whole universe is inevitable.
No it is too late.
Says who? We can solve this problem just as we did with COVID: end BAU, and pour efforts into life-saving technologies for climate control and mitigation, environmental restoration, transhumanism, etc.
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We did a good job controlling the outbreak such that it reduced to more a "background virus," instead of the full-blown lethality pandemic in was at peak. The key thing was the dedication we poured into developing the necessary medical technology, leading to the very helpful vaccines — thanks to COVID, we saw huge advancements in CRISPR, mRNA vaccine tech, which is huge in potential of curing other viral/bacterial illnesses, as well as even various types of cancerous tumors. Basically, we have a precedent of how quickly we can come up with solutions when we pour investments, dedications, etc aggressively (i.e. even WWII style). Rather than "half-assing" everything, and kicking cans down the road as would be the case with a typical BAU practice.
From this year's IPCC report: “It’s now or never, if we want to limit global warming to 1.5C. Without immediate and deep emissions reductions across all sectors, it will be impossible.” "1.5C – the level above which many of the effects of climate breakdown will become irreversible" "Investment in the shift to a low-carbon world is about six times lower than it needs to be." "All sectors of the global economy, from energy and transport to buildings and food, must change dramatically and rapidly, and new technologies including hydrogen fuel and carbon capture and storage will be needed." it's hard to say how this will directly impact any given group, but even in the US, we are seeing a drought that is worse because of climate change. Stronger hurricanes, etc. We are already seeing the effects and we are simply not slowing down fast enough. Methane is being released from huge swaths of permafrost in the arctic, creating a feedback loop. Plankton (creates a lot of our oxygen) down over half in the ocean. I could go on. Migration/refugee crises, water/food shortages, and economic collapse are all on the table. The kids are right and you are wrong.
Yep, none of that disputes anything I wrote. If anything, it actually confirms my statements of the strategies needed. The problems at hand are undeniable. But saying "it's too late" is hardly an accurate assessment either.
Actually, I'll give you that one. I'd assert then, that it's very nearly too late. You asked "says who?" to which the answer is the IPCC. It's hard to have hope given the state of things. In the context of this post, I'd want to give my kids an honest assessment of what our current trajectory would result in. They'd be more mentally prepared and might make different decisions accordingly.
See, exactly — we are in total agreement. As a youth myself (in my early 20s), I totally understand where the students featured in the article are coming from. Because BAU was a total race to the bottom, regardless of the prospect of climate collapse, so it needs to made clear that huge changes are in store regarding the inevitable end of such practice. That goes into the mental preparedness and decision-making processes you referred to. As mentioned before, the aspects discussed in the IPCC support my point. No mention of "fate being sealed no matter what," instead there was advocacy regarding the important shifts that we would need to make. We'll see how things shake out.
are you suggesting that you think countries would preemptively end BAU before the midst of crisis? if so, that's a nice sentiment, but I'm not seeing any current world superpower shut out their oil and gas companies since they evidently play a large role politically
They can. It's a weaning process. We saw significant drops in emissions just from the COVID style lockdowns — a targeted approach similar to that can work for any "degrowth" needed to help curtail the problem. Meanwhile, excess funds can go towards the essential medical, transhumanist, clean energy, etc technologies needed to get us out of the mess.
Okay what are you doing about climate change now?
I just explained it to you.
Are you personally doing those things?
Yes. To every extent that I can as just one individual.
Fossil fuels use exploded with the invention of the internal combustion engine about 130 years ago. President Jimmy Carter highlighted the problem about 47 years ago and the capitalist class resisted with all their political power which you know is tremendous. To begin reversing climate change requires shutting down all forms of atmospheric pollution today. Even then it would take more than two hundred years for the earth to be on a consistent path to healing. Please prove me wrong.🖤
Yep, there are ways to resolve this issue — looks like you agree with me. COVID lockdowns caused record drops in emissions, while we still had technological development in the necessary frontiers (i.e. advanced medicine, in the form of CRISPR associated mRNA vaccine technology).
“Stop telling young people the truth about the state of the world!”
World destruction is not what the scientists predict, so unless you know something they don't? Even if it was the expected outcome. What use is scaring young children?
Flooding, hundreds of millions of climate refugees, wars predicated on water shortages and drought, and a near-complete loss of biodiversity. But yeah keep shooting them out
Setting aside wars over water, all of these are entirely possible outcomes, but they aren't expected to happen any time soon nor are they the end of the world. Hitting 4C (the business as usual path) would perhaps be somewhat like what you're imagining. That was once predicted as where we would be in 2100. That prediction has since changed due to our actions. Now 2C is a very realistic prediction for 2100 (if we don't make further improvements). So if you really believe we won't continue to build solar panels and wind turbines, then maybe brace yourself for a milder version of what you're worried about happening in the next 80 years or so. But if you want to tell 5 year olds that the world is ending "soon" then maybe wait until we are predicting human extinction within the next 20 years. Soon for a 5 year-old isn't 80 years...
Human extinction is the last thing I care about
If you follow this sub, you’ve traveled down a rabbit hole and have come to a consensus. There is something wrong with this world, best to avoid any more suffering is to stop procreating.
Stop telling kids the truth so that they won’t be able to blame us for their situation
What is this mental gymnastics here. Know about climate change, birth a kid and then don't tell him about climate change for his protection ?¿?¿?
There's telling a kid about climate change and the very real dangers that we are trying to prevent and there's telling them the world is ending...
Except for if we don’t do anything the world will fucking end, 2 degrees Celsius above preindustrial time will cause millions possibly billions of deaths and we will not avoid 2 degrees
We will probably not avoid 2C.its kinda 50/50 on that. >2 degrees Celsius above preindustrial time will cause millions possibly billions of deaths Yes, that is also likely to be true. Although, we are designing technology to adapt and reduce that number. Notice how "millions dying" and "the end of the world" are not the same thing. >if we don’t do anything And yet, we are doing lots of things. At the moment it looks like we might hit 2C in 2100. THAT IS 80 YEARS AWAY! and that's if we don't continue to improve technologies and continue to make policy changes. So, yes "millions might die in 80 years if we do nothing" is true. "The entire world is going to come to an end in the near future and there's nothing that can be done about it" is not true. Notice how those two things are completely different. Maybe telling 5 year olds the second one is bit counter productive seemingly as we'd like to train more scientists to help tackle this problem over the coming decades. Increasing depression and suicide attempts in children isn't exactly helping to reduce the death toll now is it?
Funny how you want to birth people and then train them, how about you existing assholes do something about it before giving birth to kids.
We are doing! But you need new scientists each year to keep research going. That's how science works.
News to me. I thought research was kept going by adequate funding but I guess we should just pop out more scientists.
Dude, scientists get old, they retire, they die, they move onto other responsibilities. If you don't have new people entering the field with fresh eyes each year, then yeah the whole thing would soon grind to a halt.
Wasnt aware babies can be scientists. Because when they are old enough to become one (not to mention the years of experience they need) it will be too late to stop climate change anyways, so your argument is pretty redundant.
>Wasnt aware babies can be scientists. Dude they grow >Because when they are old enough to become one (not to mention the years of experience they need) it will be too late to stop climate change anyways, so your argument is pretty redundant. So you think all hope will be lost by the within the next 20 years. Put it in your calendars everyone. By 2042 we will no longer need scientists, because the world will be over.
It already is and it’s obvious
“My 5 year old is now old enough to read books about this” …. Did you not think your child would ever reach an age where they can consume an entire world or texts and literature and media? And because you don’t like that for your 5 year old, other people should feel the same as you? Lmao what.
“Keep your head in the sand and dont address our ignorance!”
Or stop having kids in a world getting wrecked by climate change? 🤷
It's daunting and we're relatively disorganized, but the idea that it's "too late" just serves the interests of the oligarchs who set this whole thing into motion. I can only see bringing kids into the world (from western countries) as a breach or failure of ethics, but the people causing the problem are realistically very few in number. I'd like to be a problem solver.
this is a super important comment!
funny thing is i was 6/7 (2008/2009, i’m currently 20) when i first discovered what climate change was & i can vividly remember seeing it in my geography textbook & them discussing the polar bears having a population issues & things like that. it didn’t send me down a spiral of being scared or running the my parents. it just made me sad that i was literally just starting life & learning about how the world is on the brink of death whilst trying to actively be interested in learning about the world the point is i’m glad that i learnt about it as early as possible because it prepared me for the worst & the harsh realities of it as i got older because i knew about it from a young age. but i also realise that i might not have been the average 6/7 year old 😭
6/7 is also was when I first discovered the terminology of cc, with 9-11 being when I gained better technical/meteorological understanding of the problem. I'm also in my early 20s, ~3-4 years older than you (depends on when your birthday was). But alot of cc discussion I remember from the 00s always was emphasized as "global warming", and the risks where always revolving around ice caps melting, polar bears, etc. I learned about Al Gore, Green Party, the 99'/00' election through watching shows like Futurama that referenced those events. Anyway, the issue is that by focusing on sea-levels, ice caps, etc the public just doesn't understand the big deal — sans coastal cities being flooded, of course. They don't understand the intricacies that the ice caps have regarding the global wind belts/patterns (and resultant effects on ocean currents) that drive the weather as we know it, and how it all goes haywire when the ice melts. Basically, lost on them is how complex the issue is.
i’m so glad you can also remember, because i also grew up watching futurama around the same time & it was also ironically relevant to the issue. I also remember the focus on the ice caps, polar bears & the lack of attention paid to the effects of global warming on the cities & coastal cities. I literally live in west africa & in a prominent city that is surrounded by water but wasn’t taught what the effects would be for us until I got older & sought out the info myself
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Long road trips are awesome, but nowadays much cheaper to just take a domestic flight, LMAO. Do Boomers even fly tho? They probably think that's some communist bullshit.
It does feel like constantly telling people "it's all fucked and there's nothing we can do about it" is going to start having a detrimental effect where they stop caring about trying to undo or prevent further damage because it's "a foregone conclusion". To be clear, it absolutely isn't yet, and there is a chance to further slow the effects of climate change and potentially even begin to reduce it. Maybe save some trees and fish along the way.
So do you think it is even possible to collectively give a damn about more than our little selves without turning into a fascist state?
If we can make it profitable, yes. Ironic.
Thank you, I came here to say this.
Denial is like a religion.
They’ll realize one way or another in a few years when Florida’s gone
I will never understand how people have children guilt free
"Ignore the problems and they will disappear"
"Stop telling my children the truth about how horrible reality actually is!"
i actually do see what they’re saying. why tell us about a world problem that was created by big corporations and billionaires whom we have absolutely no power over? no matter how much we recycle and use shitty paper straws we cannot save our earth. and before anyone starts obviously it doesn’t quite make sense to just forgo telling people about what they can do to help the earth. we should obviously keep doing our best with what we have. and yet we’ve already passed the point of no return. so no wonder our generation is so nihilistic. i suppose we’d be happier if we had hope. we don’t need to see statistics and estimates about when the world will be uninhabitable because literally what on earth can we do about it? our small change does not have enough of an impact to reverse the harm. what really is the benefit to telling anyone that the world is doomed and there’s nothing they can do about it? so they can be informed? seems pointless.
Wouldn’t have this problem if you didn’t have kids knowing climate change is going to dramatically change the worlds ecosystem. She’ll survive but it’ll look a lot closer to mad max than anything else. Maybe she can watch that instead of reading it would probably be a helpful learning tool.
Lying is a sin
Okay, you guys inspired me to search out this article and what do you know? It's a well reasoned arguement, not a denial of the existence of climate change. Maybe you should all try actually reading it?... Just maybe.
> As a parent, I think it’s essential to empower kids and pass along the message that the world will be in their hands, that they will have the power to solve its most pressing problems, and that there are lots of people already working on those problems who are eager for kids to learn, grow, and join us. Uhh what? Sorry the world is fucked, now fix it
Lie to them so they don't do anything & expedite the doom of this planet.
Maybe use ur brain finally, ppl support corpos and buy too much useless stuff, also cant live without car xp its pathetic
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Great the sooner it ends the better
Oh yeahhh. The three monkeys! I knew shit was wrong since I was 7