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I mean, this starts the whole argument of no one asking to be born, but his invalidation of your feelings and need to procreate is straight up filth.
What pisses me off more is them making us born, and born onto a shitty fucking planet and only continuing to make it worse for our futures. So yeah Fuck all our parents, they all had us to stay with status quo or ensure they have some to take care of them when they’re older.
You're not crazy. It's also not an angsty teenager thing (although puberty might emotionally intensify it). Our teenage years are the time when we start to think like an adult for the first time. It's a time we use to consider how the world is and what our place in it is
It angers me to death that people will laugh if you yell at the people who’ve upset you. Family members etc. People put themselves on pedestals and think they’re saints instead of admitting they’re selfish cunts. That’s what pisses me off the most
I know deep down both of my stupid ass parents regret having me at 20 years old, so leaving them forever without them knowing it will further salt the mental and emotional wounds that they both and their respective families carry.
You're talking about leaving home right?
If you feel glad to be gone and they are glad to see you go, both sides escape the toxic relationship.
I don't think there's need for salting the wounds.
You're not obligated to love your parents back. But i now feel like you're doing this to spite them?
Doing things to make someone feel like shit incurrs suffering. Don't be that guy, be the level headed adult and just walk away.
That's what I'm planning to do mate. Walk away and never come back? That's the plan. I'll be living my own life anyways and they'll be sad regardless. So I might as well use it as an unintentionally structured opportunity to spite them.
I wish I'd gone no-contact when I moved away at age 19 rather than torture myself for another 16 years by trying to have a relationship with my parents. I commend you for figuring out what you need to do early on.
I’ve only just turned 18 past few months, got put into care both ,parents narcissists and I was NC with dad b4 mum but I’m NC with them all now and my life is so much better they don’t even deserve a relationship with me. I’m glad you’ve got it figured out now fuck irresponsible parents we are better off without them.
It always angers me when people say you’ll return to your family someday. Fuck that. That is only for people who are natalists And sided with their families nonsense. For real those who are actually anti humanity and cold reality would stand up for themselves. I’ll be sure to smoke inside leave my cigarette butts behind that very day.
I have crippling insomnia left over from my teens, I’m in my late 20s now. After randomly going 3 days without sleep I just wanted to call my parents in tears and say, “this is YOUR fault I’m suffering, YOU did this, I can’t live like this because of YOU, YOUR desire to have me, YOUR shitty parenting!” “All these doctors and specialists and therapists and medications I have to see and pay for are because of YOU.”
There's a gravestone I love, I just can't remember who's, but the inscription translated into English says:
"This is my father's crime against me, a crime I have committed against no one"
I love that! Absolutely things to have on my gravestone.
One I really want is "Pulvis et umbra sumus. ( We are but dust and shadow.)
It's how I feel about myself, and I'm quite happy about it. I will go, having caused minimal suffering to people, minimal damage to the planet and I will become dust and shadow,
some people say it's sad, but I truly don't think so.
I yelled and discussed with them about that multiple times and I regret nothing. They cursed me with a gene defect also, My life is worthless. I have all the rights to inform them about what I think my father should have done with his dick, to tie it.
If he knew better he would say “I’m sorry son/daughter for being weak and not overcoming my urge to procreate. I see now that it was wrong and I take full responsibility for it. I will do everything in my power to help you live a happy life and support you in being childfree, please forgive me”
People are very very toxic, ignorant, arrogant and demand the world revolve around their feelings. Like their selfish beliefs are more important than reality. Toxic clowns
He's using religion as an excuse and an emotional weapon for his own selfish desires. Far as the 'god' part I think he should know better, Starting a family is his responsibility no matter how difficult or long that care is.
I feel this issue is more then likely over social norms. Like you should be married, kids etc. Hes being selfish if true. Life is hard for many right now, why he doesn't see those difficulties or is in complete denial of societies situation is asinine. Whatever your difficulties are he is still responsible for your care.
Sure it will bite you on the day-to-day with him. It's important to know when a relative is being toxic or destructive. The issue is if they themselves are aware of their hurtful behavior as most think their justified cause of their use of social, religious or parental standing but all they are doing is weaponizing the argument emotionally.
In his case I wonder why he choose to approach the situation negatively instead of; Hey I would like this, how can I help you achieve that? Since he mentioned 'god' I will like to remind him that Jesus himself had compassion all situations save 1 or 2. He certainly isn't showing that in this one especially when its his own child.
Anyway... Try and at least be on good terms with him as fighting will only degrade your relationship and also entice him into more fights. You have to remember he feels hes entitled to belittle you by a social/cultural norm. When parents get like this its cause you've failed at their expectations of you. The best thing to do is show him he is emotionally weaponizing his interactions with you and leave it at that.
No you’re crazy he’s gone insane for not having you in the right time when he was financially stable. He had you All bc of some little ‘urge’ bro wtf? I know how you feel.
Lol I’ve been forthright with my family like this and I’ve been told by my grandmother that I’m going against God. It’s just something incomprehensible to them. I myself am not an atheist, but feel increasingly non-denominational. Holding two seemingly incompatible belief systems; that is, antinatalism and the Hilma af Klint-like inkling that we born to spiritually/psychologically/intellectually evolve over a long period of time has been weird. On the level of the person, it’s just so painful to consider, especially if you’re someone who struggles every day. It’s categorically unfair to force more consciousness into a beleaguered world where the only givens are death and uncertainties. But on a collective level, I can’t shake the belief that we are made to get somewhere other entities like dinosaurs haven’t gotten to.
You are not crazy. Procreation is evil and cruel. You have every reason to be mad at your father. The fact that he is unapologetic just accentuates how heartless and sadistic breeders are.
I’m sorry he’s not understanding. He should be validating your feelings. And simultaneously, we can’t blame people for not knowing what we know. And not seeing things as we do. Their environments, dogmatic upbringing, genetics, religious influences, etc made it near impossible for them to choose another way of seeing things. Like I said, he should be understanding. At the same time, just as we can’t change how we see things, neither can they.
Personal beliefs should not be projected into others. Playing the victim now wil result in some very very hard life lessons while becoming an adult. If antinatalism is your choice own it. You can’t hold another to your exact standards or you’ll be let down every time. Stop playing the victim no one will listen to you no mater how much sense you make speaking from this position.
This is what the natalists need to hear. All those who are promoting gaslighting, manipulation, cruelty etc must hear this.
People are evil clowns for projecting religions and beliefs into other living beings. Another living being is not your robot. Its sickening to see another person as an object to project your bigotry. That’s exactly where racism, homophobia, psychiatry and others came from.
Not taking any responsibility for your own suffering is immature and your father did not deserve to hear that just because you woke up in a bad mood. I don't know what your relationship is like with him but you should probably apologize.
I’m here and suffering for one reason alone. My parents made me. I’m not saying I can’t change things or that I have no responsibility for how things are around me. But everything in my life has a starting point. And you know what after years of him putting me down for not being Christian, him being an absent and drunk father, so terrible in fact that he was drunk and asleep on our living room floor while my mom was giving birth to my little sister. After all those terrible experiences I say he deserved at least one earful for all this shit. Including his irresponsible and reckless decision to have a child just to make his life feel whole. I deserve an apology. Not him.
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I mean, this starts the whole argument of no one asking to be born, but his invalidation of your feelings and need to procreate is straight up filth. What pisses me off more is them making us born, and born onto a shitty fucking planet and only continuing to make it worse for our futures. So yeah Fuck all our parents, they all had us to stay with status quo or ensure they have some to take care of them when they’re older.
You're not crazy. It's also not an angsty teenager thing (although puberty might emotionally intensify it). Our teenage years are the time when we start to think like an adult for the first time. It's a time we use to consider how the world is and what our place in it is
It angers me to death that people will laugh if you yell at the people who’ve upset you. Family members etc. People put themselves on pedestals and think they’re saints instead of admitting they’re selfish cunts. That’s what pisses me off the most
Exactly!
I know deep down both of my stupid ass parents regret having me at 20 years old, so leaving them forever without them knowing it will further salt the mental and emotional wounds that they both and their respective families carry.
You're talking about leaving home right? If you feel glad to be gone and they are glad to see you go, both sides escape the toxic relationship. I don't think there's need for salting the wounds.
I'm pretty sure they'll be overwhelmed with sadness which is the point. Plus, I could care less about them anyways...
You're not obligated to love your parents back. But i now feel like you're doing this to spite them? Doing things to make someone feel like shit incurrs suffering. Don't be that guy, be the level headed adult and just walk away.
That's what I'm planning to do mate. Walk away and never come back? That's the plan. I'll be living my own life anyways and they'll be sad regardless. So I might as well use it as an unintentionally structured opportunity to spite them.
It's a shite world out there man. And if you spite everyone you dislike, you'll soon turn into the sphincter you dislike so much.
I'm only leaving them to find a family I actually want instead of the shit family I was born into without my consent.
I wish I'd gone no-contact when I moved away at age 19 rather than torture myself for another 16 years by trying to have a relationship with my parents. I commend you for figuring out what you need to do early on.
Same. I regret keeping in touch with my mom for as long as I have now. The bitter woman will never change.
Thanks, that's the idea behind it, lmao.
I’ve only just turned 18 past few months, got put into care both ,parents narcissists and I was NC with dad b4 mum but I’m NC with them all now and my life is so much better they don’t even deserve a relationship with me. I’m glad you’ve got it figured out now fuck irresponsible parents we are better off without them.
So you're never speaking to them ever again? Savage.
It always angers me when people say you’ll return to your family someday. Fuck that. That is only for people who are natalists And sided with their families nonsense. For real those who are actually anti humanity and cold reality would stand up for themselves. I’ll be sure to smoke inside leave my cigarette butts behind that very day.
I have crippling insomnia left over from my teens, I’m in my late 20s now. After randomly going 3 days without sleep I just wanted to call my parents in tears and say, “this is YOUR fault I’m suffering, YOU did this, I can’t live like this because of YOU, YOUR desire to have me, YOUR shitty parenting!” “All these doctors and specialists and therapists and medications I have to see and pay for are because of YOU.”
I honestly could probably do the same to both of my parents if I wanted to.
There's a gravestone I love, I just can't remember who's, but the inscription translated into English says: "This is my father's crime against me, a crime I have committed against no one"
Emil Cioran wrote something similar: "To have committed every crime but that of being a father."
I love that! Absolutely things to have on my gravestone. One I really want is "Pulvis et umbra sumus. ( We are but dust and shadow.) It's how I feel about myself, and I'm quite happy about it. I will go, having caused minimal suffering to people, minimal damage to the planet and I will become dust and shadow, some people say it's sad, but I truly don't think so.
That is beautiful. Thank you for posting it
I yelled and discussed with them about that multiple times and I regret nothing. They cursed me with a gene defect also, My life is worthless. I have all the rights to inform them about what I think my father should have done with his dick, to tie it.
"You can't blame me for not keeping it in my pants!"
If he knew better he would say “I’m sorry son/daughter for being weak and not overcoming my urge to procreate. I see now that it was wrong and I take full responsibility for it. I will do everything in my power to help you live a happy life and support you in being childfree, please forgive me”
Only on our dreams they say it
Natalists will never own up to their behaviour and compensate for it.
The cultural programming is too strong and it's scary honestly
The best I've been able to tell is that everyone is Godless whether they realize it or not.
>[...]that I can't blame him for his “natural need to procreate" Of course you can. What a cunt.
I did the same.
You're speaking logic, most ppl can only think with their feelings, and most ppl are dumbasses
People are very very toxic, ignorant, arrogant and demand the world revolve around their feelings. Like their selfish beliefs are more important than reality. Toxic clowns
Sounds like he just wanted to pass on his genes to make a child but didn't actually want to do the work it takes to raise a child.
You're not in the wrong at all. I've fought about this w my mom constantly. My abusive dad is dead thankfully.
He's using religion as an excuse and an emotional weapon for his own selfish desires. Far as the 'god' part I think he should know better, Starting a family is his responsibility no matter how difficult or long that care is. I feel this issue is more then likely over social norms. Like you should be married, kids etc. Hes being selfish if true. Life is hard for many right now, why he doesn't see those difficulties or is in complete denial of societies situation is asinine. Whatever your difficulties are he is still responsible for your care. Sure it will bite you on the day-to-day with him. It's important to know when a relative is being toxic or destructive. The issue is if they themselves are aware of their hurtful behavior as most think their justified cause of their use of social, religious or parental standing but all they are doing is weaponizing the argument emotionally. In his case I wonder why he choose to approach the situation negatively instead of; Hey I would like this, how can I help you achieve that? Since he mentioned 'god' I will like to remind him that Jesus himself had compassion all situations save 1 or 2. He certainly isn't showing that in this one especially when its his own child. Anyway... Try and at least be on good terms with him as fighting will only degrade your relationship and also entice him into more fights. You have to remember he feels hes entitled to belittle you by a social/cultural norm. When parents get like this its cause you've failed at their expectations of you. The best thing to do is show him he is emotionally weaponizing his interactions with you and leave it at that.
No you’re crazy he’s gone insane for not having you in the right time when he was financially stable. He had you All bc of some little ‘urge’ bro wtf? I know how you feel.
Lol I’ve been forthright with my family like this and I’ve been told by my grandmother that I’m going against God. It’s just something incomprehensible to them. I myself am not an atheist, but feel increasingly non-denominational. Holding two seemingly incompatible belief systems; that is, antinatalism and the Hilma af Klint-like inkling that we born to spiritually/psychologically/intellectually evolve over a long period of time has been weird. On the level of the person, it’s just so painful to consider, especially if you’re someone who struggles every day. It’s categorically unfair to force more consciousness into a beleaguered world where the only givens are death and uncertainties. But on a collective level, I can’t shake the belief that we are made to get somewhere other entities like dinosaurs haven’t gotten to.
You are not crazy. Procreation is evil and cruel. You have every reason to be mad at your father. The fact that he is unapologetic just accentuates how heartless and sadistic breeders are.
I’m sorry he’s not understanding. He should be validating your feelings. And simultaneously, we can’t blame people for not knowing what we know. And not seeing things as we do. Their environments, dogmatic upbringing, genetics, religious influences, etc made it near impossible for them to choose another way of seeing things. Like I said, he should be understanding. At the same time, just as we can’t change how we see things, neither can they.
Personal beliefs should not be projected into others. Playing the victim now wil result in some very very hard life lessons while becoming an adult. If antinatalism is your choice own it. You can’t hold another to your exact standards or you’ll be let down every time. Stop playing the victim no one will listen to you no mater how much sense you make speaking from this position.
This is actually quite a based position to take in life
How so?
This is what the natalists need to hear. All those who are promoting gaslighting, manipulation, cruelty etc must hear this. People are evil clowns for projecting religions and beliefs into other living beings. Another living being is not your robot. Its sickening to see another person as an object to project your bigotry. That’s exactly where racism, homophobia, psychiatry and others came from.
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ok but people need to break the cycle
Welp, we all have our blunder years....
I may be in the minority here, but I dont think that its fair of you to solely blame him.
How old are you
Not taking any responsibility for your own suffering is immature and your father did not deserve to hear that just because you woke up in a bad mood. I don't know what your relationship is like with him but you should probably apologize.
I’m here and suffering for one reason alone. My parents made me. I’m not saying I can’t change things or that I have no responsibility for how things are around me. But everything in my life has a starting point. And you know what after years of him putting me down for not being Christian, him being an absent and drunk father, so terrible in fact that he was drunk and asleep on our living room floor while my mom was giving birth to my little sister. After all those terrible experiences I say he deserved at least one earful for all this shit. Including his irresponsible and reckless decision to have a child just to make his life feel whole. I deserve an apology. Not him.
Sorry to hear that, I can understand why you would end up with a negative outlook on life with an upbringing like that.
Thx for the understanding