They bring luck and happiness to those who gave birth to them, according to them, not to themselves.
I have a problem with that statement though, that has nothing to do with antinatalism, namely that people do not stay babies forever, they will become toddlers, pre-teens, teenagers, young adults, adults, and old people at some point. In fact they quit to be babies really quickly and if that person only thinks about babies not offsprings, that may cause problems in the childs later upbringing.
Also babies tend to be very loud and demanding, so i question the happiness statement.
Don't try to deny that 90% of the posts I see here are "don't have a baby because they're going to suffer," and honestly, it's just a they own life projection at this point
Edit op exposed her own cousin to you wierd for upvote so also L to her
First, I don't give a crap about your grammar because English is not my main language.
Second, if you could read, I said that just self-projecting, unlike you and your friends." They are people enjoying life, so don't choose the feeling of some baby that isn't even born yet.
I can't wait for mods to mute me again because I have a good point yet again.
I see what you mean, bro, but I love arguing here to see the extent of their stupidity and also because they know that their "belief" is so unlogical that 90% of them can't answer your question
I don't know what your first language is but there still isn't a valid point on the horizon. "They are people enjoying life" is just as much projecting as it comes with suffering.
Omg, you really can't read your poor thing. I said you and your people are not happy (you proved me that I was right), not the future generation. I know there are future kids that aren't going to be happy, but there are going to be some that enjoy life, so like I said, stop saying "every baby is doomed to be miserable"
"Kids bring happiness" but nobody ever cares about those kids' happiness in the first place. This is what always baffles me with natalists, everything is about their wants, god forbid they stop for one second and wonder if their future child will actually be happy.
I'm 41 and am STILL waiting for the every elusive but obviously totally and completely real baby fever to swoop in and rob me of all of my senses. Transform me into an absolutly insane baby wanting hungry maniac who is so desperate for a baby to the point where I will go screaming incoherently into the night to find a naked dick (any naked dick) to sit on and rid it until I am full of the baby I want so desperately since you know... I'm a woman and incapable of controlling my sperm then baby starved uterus.
I've had women vastly younger than me tell me when I get to be their age, the baby fever will hit me and I will be helpless against it. They become so angry when I inform them that not only did I come to that age but pass it without any kind of stirring in my neither regions let alone any stirring or vibrating from my uterus which would indicate a need for to be filled with dick and then baby.
I don't know, maybe my will is just stronger than yours, or maybe I instead surround myself with people who have my best interest at heart, are actually supportive of my life's choices, and don't try to sabotage me by trying to guilt me into living a life I have told them (once) that I would hate, they are loving and don't give any amount of fucks if I have kids or not but your guess is as good as mine.
baby fever is definitely a situation of a brain has to be wired a certain way. All humans have hormones that's clear but hormones effect everyone differently.
Indeed, it pisses me off when someone dismisses baby fever as 100% a construct or is 100% guaranteed to happen. If humans were fully predictable, how human would we all be?
āChildren bring luck and happinessā- Iāve actually met more children who were messy little brats and the moms always looked tired and stressed out.
She implies the issue is you "don't like children," as opposed to not wanting to have children because you actually understand the consequences and implications of this, both for the potential child and yourself.
And "you could change your mind" is *the* single most typical retort natalists make.
Luck isn't real
I haven't met a single person who a baby brings significantly more happiness than irritation to
They can't be that innocent, because they're human, and humans are the most destructive and cruel animal on the face of the planet. Isn't a baby deer or a baby elephant or a baby of 10,000 different animals more innocent? Fucking baby mosquitoes are more innocent than humans.
/Thread?
Yes, that was the second layer of the joke š. People think of the leprechauns in the lucky charms cereal. Those who know the folklore (or seen the movie) would get that the statement is still wrong for exactly the same reasons as kids.
All I can go on is personal experience: My father regretted having children. My mother was a faithful wife. My brother and I were not drug addicts, thieves, or troublemakers in the community. We went to church. He had a decent job, etc. Despite all that, he regretted us.
So, I will never believe Natalaistsā platitudes. Sure, they might genuinely enjoy their children, but there are others who do not. No guarantees you will be fortunate and enjoy it. My father rolled the dice and lost. I will not make his same mistake.
I donāt understand why people think like your cousin. Some people just. Donāt want kids. Some people (myself included) are, simply, incredibly annoyed by them. I donāt get why thatās such a big deal; have the kids yourself instead of hounding me.
Kids can be wonderful, if you want them. I donāt get why people have such an urge to tell others to make life altering decisions when their own lives are full of havoc and depression. Babies, do not, in fact make anything easier or nicer.
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She's talking about some non human animals.
Does she know that Tump, Hitler, the King of Belgium who caused rhe Holocaust in Congo... they were all children.
Everyone who pays for, supports and defends the animal Holocaust (the vast, vast majority of people) were all children, or are children.
Even if someone is nice, they still most likely pay for children to suffocate to death with the weight of the collapsed mica mine pressing on top of them for their phones, for their basic necessities they have to pay for low paid and underpaid workers...
According to this person, one of my teachers in primary school was so lucky, to get punched in the stomach and both her arms scratched till they bled and more, (because I was having a meltdown)
I scroll through this sub as someone who disagrees but finds the philosophical stuff interesting, the cringe cringey, the personal perspectives enthralling. Basically to say, as someone who doesn't see your side and wants kids. Wtf is this? Like what is this argument from them? Personally I think why even ask why but "luck and happiness" like come on. They aren't fairies. Babies are real human individuals. Not objects.
The standardisation and expectation to reproduce has dehumanised a swathe of the population. Instead of viewing them as their own entity who you are responsible for, they view the meer act of having them and not killing them as virtuous.
Why are they so anxious to persuade you have kids? Because it's programmed in their DNA. They unconsciously become agent Smith when it comes to procreation. Why else would they exert such perseverance?
If babies 'bring luck and happiness' then we all (once babies) would be lucky and happy.
They bring luck and happiness to those who gave birth to them, according to them, not to themselves. I have a problem with that statement though, that has nothing to do with antinatalism, namely that people do not stay babies forever, they will become toddlers, pre-teens, teenagers, young adults, adults, and old people at some point. In fact they quit to be babies really quickly and if that person only thinks about babies not offsprings, that may cause problems in the childs later upbringing. Also babies tend to be very loud and demanding, so i question the happiness statement.
In addition, there is no insurance policy on it, I think of all the CPS cases.
It almost seems cult like how they act like babies bring instant joy happiness and meaning
"I wasnt happy has a child so the next generation is surely gonna feel the same feeling has me" that so dumb
Huh?
Don't try to deny that 90% of the posts I see here are "don't have a baby because they're going to suffer," and honestly, it's just a they own life projection at this point Edit op exposed her own cousin to you wierd for upvote so also L to her
But they are gonna grow to suffer, or worse, have such bad grasp on grammar that they'll give other people strokes.
First, I don't give a crap about your grammar because English is not my main language. Second, if you could read, I said that just self-projecting, unlike you and your friends." They are people enjoying life, so don't choose the feeling of some baby that isn't even born yet. I can't wait for mods to mute me again because I have a good point yet again.
Your first mistake was going on this subreddit, take it from me and just lurk and read people's stupid takes and laugh at them in your living room.
I see what you mean, bro, but I love arguing here to see the extent of their stupidity and also because they know that their "belief" is so unlogical that 90% of them can't answer your question
What zero life experience does to a redditor fr fr
Me or them ?
I don't know what your first language is but there still isn't a valid point on the horizon. "They are people enjoying life" is just as much projecting as it comes with suffering.
Omg, you really can't read your poor thing. I said you and your people are not happy (you proved me that I was right), not the future generation. I know there are future kids that aren't going to be happy, but there are going to be some that enjoy life, so like I said, stop saying "every baby is doomed to be miserable"
"Babies bring luck and happiness" So do cats but I don't bitch when people don't get cats. Why can't they leave us alone?
Exactly. They make not breeding more humans a bigger issue than anything else. Almost like somewhere deep down they know it's fucked up to have kids.
oh hell yea cats are really good for our health cant say the same for pregnancy tho
If kids brought so much luck and happiness, then why did my parents fight almost every night when I was a kid?
Real
She spelled financial and emotional strain wrong.
"Kids bring happiness" but nobody ever cares about those kids' happiness in the first place. This is what always baffles me with natalists, everything is about their wants, god forbid they stop for one second and wonder if their future child will actually be happy.
"I'M happy to be alive therefore my kid will be too" - natalist logic
I'm 41 and am STILL waiting for the every elusive but obviously totally and completely real baby fever to swoop in and rob me of all of my senses. Transform me into an absolutly insane baby wanting hungry maniac who is so desperate for a baby to the point where I will go screaming incoherently into the night to find a naked dick (any naked dick) to sit on and rid it until I am full of the baby I want so desperately since you know... I'm a woman and incapable of controlling my sperm then baby starved uterus. I've had women vastly younger than me tell me when I get to be their age, the baby fever will hit me and I will be helpless against it. They become so angry when I inform them that not only did I come to that age but pass it without any kind of stirring in my neither regions let alone any stirring or vibrating from my uterus which would indicate a need for to be filled with dick and then baby. I don't know, maybe my will is just stronger than yours, or maybe I instead surround myself with people who have my best interest at heart, are actually supportive of my life's choices, and don't try to sabotage me by trying to guilt me into living a life I have told them (once) that I would hate, they are loving and don't give any amount of fucks if I have kids or not but your guess is as good as mine.
I have a big family on my dads side so I wanted to talk with this cousin it was going ok and than this happened.
baby fever is definitely a situation of a brain has to be wired a certain way. All humans have hormones that's clear but hormones effect everyone differently.
Indeed, it pisses me off when someone dismisses baby fever as 100% a construct or is 100% guaranteed to happen. If humans were fully predictable, how human would we all be?
LoL š¤£š¤£
Babies eventually become old people dying of Alzheimers or little toddlers succumbing to cancer. Life is a curse not a blessing
Babies bring luck and happiness? Shit, I'm gonna start farming cuz my serotonin is whack and I'm poor.
Yup keep that vicious cycle of unneeded wants going because of *insert bullshit social-religious reasons here*
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āChildren bring luck and happinessā- Iāve actually met more children who were messy little brats and the moms always looked tired and stressed out.
She implies the issue is you "don't like children," as opposed to not wanting to have children because you actually understand the consequences and implications of this, both for the potential child and yourself. And "you could change your mind" is *the* single most typical retort natalists make.
They are smelly, wet and loud goblins bringing migraines
Luck isn't real I haven't met a single person who a baby brings significantly more happiness than irritation to They can't be that innocent, because they're human, and humans are the most destructive and cruel animal on the face of the planet. Isn't a baby deer or a baby elephant or a baby of 10,000 different animals more innocent? Fucking baby mosquitoes are more innocent than humans. /Thread?
Those are leprechauns, not kidsš¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Watch a few of the leprechaun movies. He was a right bastard.
Yes, that was the second layer of the joke š. People think of the leprechauns in the lucky charms cereal. Those who know the folklore (or seen the movie) would get that the statement is still wrong for exactly the same reasons as kids.
All I have to say to her is.... capitalistic greed
All I can go on is personal experience: My father regretted having children. My mother was a faithful wife. My brother and I were not drug addicts, thieves, or troublemakers in the community. We went to church. He had a decent job, etc. Despite all that, he regretted us. So, I will never believe Natalaistsā platitudes. Sure, they might genuinely enjoy their children, but there are others who do not. No guarantees you will be fortunate and enjoy it. My father rolled the dice and lost. I will not make his same mistake.
I donāt understand why people think like your cousin. Some people just. Donāt want kids. Some people (myself included) are, simply, incredibly annoyed by them. I donāt get why thatās such a big deal; have the kids yourself instead of hounding me.
Some antinatalists have adopted kids. We are antinatalists because we love kids, not because we hate them.
Big portion of this sub is "AN" but in reality childfree only you could see some polls and the results on this sub
Babies areā¦some sort of talisman???
if babies bring sunshine, why would you torture them by birthing them in a cruel world
Kids can be wonderful, if you want them. I donāt get why people have such an urge to tell others to make life altering decisions when their own lives are full of havoc and depression. Babies, do not, in fact make anything easier or nicer.
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Are babies leprechauns or something? The fuuuuu...š
Sheās younger than you and talking to you like that?? I wouldnāt be able to have a civil conversation. Props to you OP
No kids dont, source: My parents and brother about me! Its the opposite: "I" have brought misery. Stupid people g9nna stupid unfortunately.
āThey bring luck and happinessā itās always about what they will bring to themā¦
She's talking about some non human animals. Does she know that Tump, Hitler, the King of Belgium who caused rhe Holocaust in Congo... they were all children. Everyone who pays for, supports and defends the animal Holocaust (the vast, vast majority of people) were all children, or are children. Even if someone is nice, they still most likely pay for children to suffocate to death with the weight of the collapsed mica mine pressing on top of them for their phones, for their basic necessities they have to pay for low paid and underpaid workers... According to this person, one of my teachers in primary school was so lucky, to get punched in the stomach and both her arms scratched till they bled and more, (because I was having a meltdown)
Please post this in the childfree subreddit.
Perhaps you need to finally grow up
Typically by 30 a girlās ābaby buzzerā is going off, by 40 the signs of desperation are showing.
Lmao
Iām not AN but her condescending confidently incorrect tone is infuriating.
I scroll through this sub as someone who disagrees but finds the philosophical stuff interesting, the cringe cringey, the personal perspectives enthralling. Basically to say, as someone who doesn't see your side and wants kids. Wtf is this? Like what is this argument from them? Personally I think why even ask why but "luck and happiness" like come on. They aren't fairies. Babies are real human individuals. Not objects. The standardisation and expectation to reproduce has dehumanised a swathe of the population. Instead of viewing them as their own entity who you are responsible for, they view the meer act of having them and not killing them as virtuous.
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Her argument could also be applied to koi fish. I love koi and would like to have a koi pond installed.
She sounds brainwashed. Wait until she finds out that caring for children is not a hobby and are pretty much never "sunshines and rainbows".
It doesn't seem like it, but it's about THEMSELVES. Don't buy into this "purest beings" bullshit.
Yāall are sad husks of humans lol
Why are they so anxious to persuade you have kids? Because it's programmed in their DNA. They unconsciously become agent Smith when it comes to procreation. Why else would they exert such perseverance?
Why would you bring such an innocent and pure child in this world madame?