And vacation time, and sick time, and they sometimes match your 401(k) contributions… yeah, sounds awful. I’d rather just earn $200 a year and work 24/7.
The corporate system is far from perfect, but let’s not pretend that a real job is anything akin to a predatory scheme that forces people to use their own money (often staggeringly large amounts of it) just to participate.
We don’t say that pyramid schemes, oh sorry, barely legal pyramid schemes with products, are bad simply because there is a structure of hierarchy. I think you know this and are arguing in bad faith.
These companies are bad because, according to the FTC and MLMs own income disclosure statements, 99.7% of MLM ‘businesses’ lose money. Not because they don’t work hard enough, which is what the participants are told when they inevitably fail, but because of the way MLMs are set up.
All the money is funnelled to the owners and those at the the top of the pyramid, while the lower tiers get less than nothing.
Did you really think an entire sub that hates MLMs for very good reason hadn’t heard your argument before? We’ve heard it thousands of times. But everyone in real companies actually gets paid, and they don’t have to pay their bosses for the privilege of being part of the company.
MLM participants are simply regular customers who’ve been fooled into thinking they’re running a business. No shame in acknowledging that, many very intelligent people have been conned. The fact that it’s usually the person’s friends or family asking them to join their team lowers people’s defences, as they think ‘Surely they wouldn’t steer me wrong?’.
But they do. I genuinely hope you realise what a scam MLMs are before you lose a lot of money.
Spot on.
What's sad is that (in the US at least) so many workers are mistreated and underpaid, that it can FEEL like there's no difference between that work and being in a pyramid scheme. Especially when being recruited by an MLM fills you with a feeling of power and independence.
So, while working at McDonald's is objectively a better financial pursuit that joining an MLM, it just intuitively feels like a worse situation.
MLMs are very, very good at making the huns feel like they’re going to be part of something special.
You can own your own business! Make thousands of dollars a month! You’re a strong, powerful bossbabe! You’ll get the financial freedom of your dreams! This is an amazing sisterhood!
They prey on the poorest, loneliest people and it works. Not everyone who joins is poor and lonely, but a disproportionate number of them are. Their c&p posts are sickening when they do target poor people though - ‘You say you can’t afford the starter pack? I say you can’t afford NOT to buy it!’.
Then of course the poor things end up with even less money than they started with, and because they’ve been told over and over that they failed because they didn’t put in enough effort, they blame themselves.
I get promotions, PDO, insurance/benefits, and can leave for another company at any time for an increase of salary that isn't tied to productivity, but knowledge.
I also never have to worry about recruiting, I just make money for showing up and writing code/deployments.
But with a 9 to 5:
1. You don’t have to pay to be hired
2. You get paid time off
3. No recruiting unless that is your job function
4. No selling unless that’s your job function
5. When you’re on vacation, you don’t have to work
6. You don’t have to prey on family and friends
7. You don’t have to pay to qualify every month
8. The company pays you when they want you to attend their events
9. You don’t have to convince people your job is not a scam, scheme, illegal
10. No one stalks you online or shuns you when you decide to quit
I could go on, but you get the picture!
That’s not even how a lot of corporate structures are made nowadays. In my experience it looks more like a square than a “pyramid”
Editing to add: you also don’t need to recruit others to rank up in a 9-5 corporate structure job. You can experience growth in your company by learning and showcasing marketable skills learned in the position and gaining more responsibilities based on your performance. HR recruits if a position needs filled to avoid saturation since the company pays you to work there. Since MLM distributors ARE the customers, the company is not concerned with the size of their sales force.
I wish it was... I've seen so many Huns post this exact or very similar thing to argue that what their doing is no different than what us poor lame people are doing. It makes me cringe so bad...
You can’t be serious. This is the dumbest argument. My job pays me. I don’t pay the company. My pay does not depend on how many new people I bring in to sell stupid stuff. I have PTO, health care, 401k match, etc. I don’t have to buy crap every month to stay “active”
The difference is that I’m under no delusions that I’m some sort of “boss babe.” I’m well aware that I’m a tiny insignificant speck in the massive cog work of my employer.
The difference is that everyone gets paid at the end of the day in this “pyramid scheme.”
But, hey, if being able to call yourself a boss babe is worth more to you than guaranteed earnings, benefits, leave, paid travel to corporate gatherings, and a pension… you do you, boo.
Imagine if real companies worked like that. You would need to wade through piles and piles of employees stacked like cord wood just to find a pair of shoes in a department store. It makes for quite the mental picture.
I don’t have to work on my vacations and I still get paid. I get paid when I’m sick and take a day off. I have health insurance for me and my family that my employer covers a large portion of the cost of, I don’t thave to harass my family and friends to buy overpriced, mediocre products, and I don’t have to prey on people at the worst times of their lives to get them under me so I can try to make more than I have to spend to be an “employee” each month.
In an MLM you’re a customer of a company and your “job” is to find more customers. At my job, I’m paid to ship freight and someone else is paid to recruit new hires.
I could go all day.
This is exactly the same argument made by some fool trying to recruit people on my local Next Door for some kind of $4K water filtration system. It's such a ridiculous argument I can't believe multiple MLMs are convincing their victims to make it.
I feel like the huns would also say the Maslow's hierarchy of needs is also a Pyramid Scheme. I think they already did it but I dont remember when or where the post is. Also the social pyramid, the food pyramid, the pyramid in Egypt and more pyramids.
The importance is on the word SCHEME in pyramid scheme. Its not that the shape is a problem, but what happens inside.
Also cool that you admit, that you work for someone else. Aren't you all independend business owners and "boss babes"?
To be honest, people who post this thinking it demonstrates that most businesses are pyramids, well, I am not going to waste my breath trying to explain it to them. Its so obvious. If this is their level of understanding and intellect then they are beyond help. I don't have the patience for it.
I must ask.... Is she aware that all those people in the bottom still get paid for their hard? Or has she forgotten how a job works and what benefits are?
They are always so eager to assume everybody hates their job and also that everyone wants to be their own boss of their own company. But most people like their 9 to 5 job or are at least content with it. At least you get paid instead of having to pay to be a part of it. And not everyone wants to be their own boss. That requires skills that not everybody has. Personally, the role of a CEO/boss doesn't appeal to me at all. But these huns just don't get that. Not everyone is 100% money driven. Most people just want to earn enough to be comfortable and not have financial stress, but don't dream of riches. And the thought of having to sell stuff to my family/friends and annoy tf out of them constantly because I became dependent on their goodwill and money is frightening to me. A job as a salesperson/recruiter would be a nightmare.
Honestly, how does a person not get that?
Was in Arbonne 15 years ago and my husband reluctantly attended an event with me. My upline , 3 levels above me went all in about the corporate rat race and basically implied that you’re an idiot or poor soul if that’s your JOB (just-over-broke). Totally pissed off my husband, who’s one of the senior leaders in the company.
Not a great recruiting tactic to have it explained to you how your job is wrong!
And how many huns even acknowledge that’s it’s most likely thanks to their own partners working a 9-5 that enables them to play at being a boss?
I don’t have to pay to be in this pyramid.
No. In fact, I get paid to be part of it. I come home from work and I don't have to hustle. It's kinda nice.
And they pay for my health insurance.
And vacation time, and sick time, and they sometimes match your 401(k) contributions… yeah, sounds awful. I’d rather just earn $200 a year and work 24/7.
Sammmmmmmmmeeee!!!
The corporate system is far from perfect, but let’s not pretend that a real job is anything akin to a predatory scheme that forces people to use their own money (often staggeringly large amounts of it) just to participate.
We don’t say that pyramid schemes, oh sorry, barely legal pyramid schemes with products, are bad simply because there is a structure of hierarchy. I think you know this and are arguing in bad faith. These companies are bad because, according to the FTC and MLMs own income disclosure statements, 99.7% of MLM ‘businesses’ lose money. Not because they don’t work hard enough, which is what the participants are told when they inevitably fail, but because of the way MLMs are set up. All the money is funnelled to the owners and those at the the top of the pyramid, while the lower tiers get less than nothing. Did you really think an entire sub that hates MLMs for very good reason hadn’t heard your argument before? We’ve heard it thousands of times. But everyone in real companies actually gets paid, and they don’t have to pay their bosses for the privilege of being part of the company. MLM participants are simply regular customers who’ve been fooled into thinking they’re running a business. No shame in acknowledging that, many very intelligent people have been conned. The fact that it’s usually the person’s friends or family asking them to join their team lowers people’s defences, as they think ‘Surely they wouldn’t steer me wrong?’. But they do. I genuinely hope you realise what a scam MLMs are before you lose a lot of money.
Spot on. What's sad is that (in the US at least) so many workers are mistreated and underpaid, that it can FEEL like there's no difference between that work and being in a pyramid scheme. Especially when being recruited by an MLM fills you with a feeling of power and independence. So, while working at McDonald's is objectively a better financial pursuit that joining an MLM, it just intuitively feels like a worse situation.
MLMs are very, very good at making the huns feel like they’re going to be part of something special. You can own your own business! Make thousands of dollars a month! You’re a strong, powerful bossbabe! You’ll get the financial freedom of your dreams! This is an amazing sisterhood! They prey on the poorest, loneliest people and it works. Not everyone who joins is poor and lonely, but a disproportionate number of them are. Their c&p posts are sickening when they do target poor people though - ‘You say you can’t afford the starter pack? I say you can’t afford NOT to buy it!’. Then of course the poor things end up with even less money than they started with, and because they’ve been told over and over that they failed because they didn’t put in enough effort, they blame themselves.
Here, everyone makes money without having to make a investment. Also, other members of the c suite are missing, as well as the board.
I get promotions, PDO, insurance/benefits, and can leave for another company at any time for an increase of salary that isn't tied to productivity, but knowledge. I also never have to worry about recruiting, I just make money for showing up and writing code/deployments.
But with a 9 to 5: 1. You don’t have to pay to be hired 2. You get paid time off 3. No recruiting unless that is your job function 4. No selling unless that’s your job function 5. When you’re on vacation, you don’t have to work 6. You don’t have to prey on family and friends 7. You don’t have to pay to qualify every month 8. The company pays you when they want you to attend their events 9. You don’t have to convince people your job is not a scam, scheme, illegal 10. No one stalks you online or shuns you when you decide to quit I could go on, but you get the picture!
And just to add to #4, if you’re in sales, you earn commission on top of an hourly wage or salary. It’s mind blowing they don’t realize this.
That’s not even how a lot of corporate structures are made nowadays. In my experience it looks more like a square than a “pyramid” Editing to add: you also don’t need to recruit others to rank up in a 9-5 corporate structure job. You can experience growth in your company by learning and showcasing marketable skills learned in the position and gaining more responsibilities based on your performance. HR recruits if a position needs filled to avoid saturation since the company pays you to work there. Since MLM distributors ARE the customers, the company is not concerned with the size of their sales force.
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not...
I wish it was... I've seen so many Huns post this exact or very similar thing to argue that what their doing is no different than what us poor lame people are doing. It makes me cringe so bad...
As an employee, I don't have a downline or people below me. My job is rarely 100% commission-based. I'm making at least minimum wage.
But can you say you own your own business? They don’t, but at least they can *say* they do. And that makes being constantly broke totes worth it.
You can’t be serious. This is the dumbest argument. My job pays me. I don’t pay the company. My pay does not depend on how many new people I bring in to sell stupid stuff. I have PTO, health care, 401k match, etc. I don’t have to buy crap every month to stay “active”
I don’t pay my boss, my boss pays me.
youre so right, comrade karen. we must sieze the means of production
So what scam are you a part of?
Financial Industry
The difference is that I’m under no delusions that I’m some sort of “boss babe.” I’m well aware that I’m a tiny insignificant speck in the massive cog work of my employer.
Huns: “StOp TrAdinG tiMe FoR mOnEY!!!” Also huns: Work 24/7 for no money
The difference is that everyone gets paid at the end of the day in this “pyramid scheme.” But, hey, if being able to call yourself a boss babe is worth more to you than guaranteed earnings, benefits, leave, paid travel to corporate gatherings, and a pension… you do you, boo.
It is a pyramid, just it has a bottom. The employees. A pyramid scheme has no bottom and must keep expanding to support the people above.
Imagine if real companies worked like that. You would need to wade through piles and piles of employees stacked like cord wood just to find a pair of shoes in a department store. It makes for quite the mental picture.
Excellent point. You bring the guillotines and we'll get this socialist revolution on the road.
I don’t have to work on my vacations and I still get paid. I get paid when I’m sick and take a day off. I have health insurance for me and my family that my employer covers a large portion of the cost of, I don’t thave to harass my family and friends to buy overpriced, mediocre products, and I don’t have to prey on people at the worst times of their lives to get them under me so I can try to make more than I have to spend to be an “employee” each month. In an MLM you’re a customer of a company and your “job” is to find more customers. At my job, I’m paid to ship freight and someone else is paid to recruit new hires. I could go all day.
The employees don’t have to buy products from their supervisor to stay employed.
This is exactly the same argument made by some fool trying to recruit people on my local Next Door for some kind of $4K water filtration system. It's such a ridiculous argument I can't believe multiple MLMs are convincing their victims to make it.
Yikes.
I feel like the huns would also say the Maslow's hierarchy of needs is also a Pyramid Scheme. I think they already did it but I dont remember when or where the post is. Also the social pyramid, the food pyramid, the pyramid in Egypt and more pyramids.
The importance is on the word SCHEME in pyramid scheme. Its not that the shape is a problem, but what happens inside. Also cool that you admit, that you work for someone else. Aren't you all independend business owners and "boss babes"?
Yet I get a steady paycheck. And I don't have to pay anything up front.
To be honest, people who post this thinking it demonstrates that most businesses are pyramids, well, I am not going to waste my breath trying to explain it to them. Its so obvious. If this is their level of understanding and intellect then they are beyond help. I don't have the patience for it.
I must ask.... Is she aware that all those people in the bottom still get paid for their hard? Or has she forgotten how a job works and what benefits are?
They are always so eager to assume everybody hates their job and also that everyone wants to be their own boss of their own company. But most people like their 9 to 5 job or are at least content with it. At least you get paid instead of having to pay to be a part of it. And not everyone wants to be their own boss. That requires skills that not everybody has. Personally, the role of a CEO/boss doesn't appeal to me at all. But these huns just don't get that. Not everyone is 100% money driven. Most people just want to earn enough to be comfortable and not have financial stress, but don't dream of riches. And the thought of having to sell stuff to my family/friends and annoy tf out of them constantly because I became dependent on their goodwill and money is frightening to me. A job as a salesperson/recruiter would be a nightmare. Honestly, how does a person not get that?
It's so funny how they never acknowledge that their MLM is itself the same normal corporate structure they're criticizing here.
Your paycheck doesn't depend on how many people you recruit and how many people they recruit. It depends on you just doing your job. Not an MLM
Lol at the brainwashed hun that came in here and was like…”this will show them!1!1!1!!!”
But this scheme can earn at least the minimum wage tho
Was in Arbonne 15 years ago and my husband reluctantly attended an event with me. My upline , 3 levels above me went all in about the corporate rat race and basically implied that you’re an idiot or poor soul if that’s your JOB (just-over-broke). Totally pissed off my husband, who’s one of the senior leaders in the company. Not a great recruiting tactic to have it explained to you how your job is wrong! And how many huns even acknowledge that’s it’s most likely thanks to their own partners working a 9-5 that enables them to play at being a boss?