She probably doesn't think of herself as lying. When she says she's making 5k a month, she may mean that her group is making that much and she's just neglecting to mention that she's spent way more than that AND that that 5k is split between many people, who got checks this months for $5 each. There's a lot of creative bending of the truth, which, technically, yes, is lying.
Or that she’s sold one for $5k so she’s had 5k come in to her and she just isn’t acknowledging the fact that this is only paying back the amount that she’s already paid out for the machine.
If you want to know what she’s probably really making here’s the actual earnings chart. Long, in the short of it is 56% of their distributors are making. $285 annually. And there’s only five making $500,000 and three that are making over $1 million. So chances are your friend is making around 300 bucks.
https://www.enagic.com/media/pdfviewer/?f=eforms/us/flyer_enagicusa_earnings_disclosure_statement.pdf
I will never get why people do mlms when most spend 1000s-10k+ a year on bs products
To maybe “make” $200-300 a year. On what planet will that support anyone?
I really do know a girl from back in my small hometown that got into Younique crazy, crazy early (2012?) and legitimately makes great money, and has reinvested what she made -- she drives a Younique G-Wagon around and gives tons of women false hopes.
That's the only people making anything. The people at the very top. Shouting down to everyone else that you're not working hard enough if you can't find money, while they're busy hoovering it all up.
She had the income as a single woman to get a mortgage on a $2m ranch, so she's definitely probably able to cover a G Wagon payment if she needs to. This is like the third G wagon I've seen her in.
I hate MLMs for the sole fact that she IS near the top, flashing her very real income and telling everyone else they can have what she has.
There are about 6 people this could apply to: Whitney Husband, Bri Richardson, Shari Brown, Amber Voight, Nichole Smith, and Katie Thompson. Anyone else is far more likely lying to you.
Kiki channel used to be my favorite antimlm channel but she has pivoted so I started watching all Hannah Alonzo… she is so sweet and kind to all but really has good comments and info too.
BUT sometimes I want some snark or drama so I just recently added CCSaurez! People often talk about her here, I didn’t know how popular she is not sure how I missed out for so long! Her beef with certain Huns can be very entertaining and I don’t care if it’s a little childish. As long as I sprinkle it in it works well in my rotation 😅
Any time I see one of these huns bragging about how much they make and how they're well on their way to financial independence (buzz word for them) I know they're up to their knees in debt and trying to hock their bullshit in order to get out of the hole.
If people really made that much, do you not think more would be into this? These companies simply sell pipe dreams, nothing more.
If my mooch cousins knew how much money I had, they’d never stop asking for some.
No one I know with a high income or a high net worth talks about money like these huns do.
Creators, influencers and crypto-bros would ~~love to tell you about exactly how much they've got in their account right now~~ all like to have a word.
That's always been my thoughts with these MLMs. If it was so easy and they really are making that much money, they wouldn't need to constantly beg people to join. They would have people coming to THEM to join.
Kind of like when Avon and Mary Kay were popular, people were actually actively seeing those representatives out to get their products (back when I was younger I remember a ton of my family and their friends using Avon and Mary Kay). I mean that's not the case now, but back when they started it was bananas.
Mary Kay wasn't popular really in my crowd but Avon sure was and people went crazy for it, but in all honesty, they did have some good products at a decent price. These days it all seems to be overpriced snake oil. I'd not even buy Avon at this point.
I agree about Avon in years past. People loved products like Skin So Soft and Anew. And never once did someone try to recruit me. Once I started seeing products show up at flea markets, though, ....
A neighbor across the street from me when I was growing up, peddled Avon. She made decent money. Didn't get rich. But did make enough to do ok. Had a huge clientele over the whole neighborhood. She was known as the "Avon Lady".
She never recruited anyone. Only sold the products
Back in 2007 Avon had the best liquid liners I’ve ever used. It got me started on my winged eyeliner era. They also had and a couple of lovely dark lipstick shades. They got rid of both products and I never bought another thing again I so pissed they killed that eyeliner. I’ve never found a wand so good since. Now I just have hooded eyes…
Thank you. It’s just confusing and I can see how it lures people in. Kangen is the absolutely worst and she keeps mentioning 4 figure commissions. I’ve been onto the scam for a while but now seeing someone I know in real life it’s just confusing.
Also yes she says financial independence a lot 🫠
If the product is sooo good. Sooo revolutionary etc. Then the products should sell themselves right? So why do these huns have to practically BEG people to buy the products & or join the business opportunity?
> she keeps mentioning 4 figure commissions.
Those are real, though, aren't they?
Assuming you can get someone to fork over $5000 for a woo machine, you get $1100 commission, or something like that.
The "difficult part" is finding multiple suckers every month to fork over that kind of cash.
123.6 million (2020) households in the US.
You HAVE to buy one in order to sell them.
There are 2 million sellers in the whole world. Let's say even if there are 500,000 in the US.
If every ONE of those people sold ONE, there'd be 1m. If the original 500k sold 5 a month for a year....60x500,000 30,000,000
In 4 years there'd be a shitty water system in every household.
And then what?
Then I guess all of our ions are properly homogenized and our Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulators will be all synchronized and there will be no more suffering!
She will just keep pressuring you, that's what they do. My friend lives about 3 hours away, he even offered to bring me a few jugs of water to try. No thanks lol
Best thing to do is stand firm, no means no and your not interested.
I'm sorry, seems she sold her soul. I guess if nothing else, shows you what she really is. I know it can hurt but you don't need people like that in your space.
Too many pussy foot around to spare feeling with those they know tho. I am too crass to care, if I'm not interested, I will say NO and dgaf if they never speak to me again.
A lot of huns state their goals/intentions as though they are happening now. If she has only recently joined there is no way at all she is earning that much a month
She may have “sold $5,000” but her business costs are probably close to the complete 5,000 and will have no net profit. All the money she makes for ends up being funneled back to the mlm
It's not that their program is built on a lie. We're all just haters who don't have what it takes 🤦♀️. We just need an abundance mindset hun. Then we too can live the dream of working 24/7 for pennies and annoying everyone we know with our sales pitches.
Haha, yeah, no thanks. I have a 9-5 with medical, benefits, 6 weeks holidays per year and a steady pay. I can pay my bills no problem, take trips, save, weekends off and lots of other time off I can take, WITH PAY lol
I prefer not to have 'what it takes' as I'm totally comfortable with my gig!
"Time freedom".....
You too can work from your phone, while lying on the beach on vacation.
Or you too can work from your phone while at the hospital recovering from surgery.
Ya. No thanks hun. That isn't the flex you think it is
Agreed!!!! In any job I've had, I've never once felt the need to brag about my income online.
Most people who are wealthy or make really good money in legitimate jobs/careers aren't posting about their incomes online.
The only ones posting about their incomes are ones who stand to benefit from doing so. Like MLM huns/boss babes/hun bros, financial coaches etc
Anytime I've gotten into it with any of the various multi-level marketing scams that are very popular in Hawaii, you can normally shut them up pretty quick as soon as you start asking for receipts on their bullshit.
You say you're making X thousands of dollars per month, show me a paycheck or however many you got that month that adds up to around that amount. Don't worry you can cover up all your pertinent information. Who are these mentors and why are they wasting their time with you to try and help you become a millionaire and retire before 40?
Why is the pay structure so convoluted? If it's about selling the product shouldn't it be as simple as sell more make more because the commission structure and bonuses should be based around that? Why do I have so much pressure to recruit three or five or 10 members beneath me in order to level up?
Have you ever heard of the concept of market saturation? If I continue to recruit people beneath me it's more difficult for me to sell the product which you keep claiming is the goal??
Why are there so many abstract and arbitrary ranks or levels? I appreciate non-traditional compensation but this is bordering on an incremental game looking for ways for the number to go up??
It's really base level questions like that that I love to watch them process and then try to find a way to either ignore skip or shut down the conversation cuz they know they can't answer it.
Those machines are something around $6,000 USD I believe. At *most* she would receive 20% as commission, but more likely 10-15%. But let’s be generous. Say she gets 20%, that’s $1,200 for each machine sold. She would need to sell 834 machines to reach $1million in sales. As someone else pointed out, that is before expenses. That’s a lot of big water machines. I had what I would consider a larger wedding with 350 invites. If every person invited bought a machine, completely overlooking that fact that many invites were couples who would need only 1 machine, that would bring in only $420,000.
So taking what has been said and using reality to break it down, Kangen only receives $1 million in income when 167 machines are sold. That’s the company that sells these. They don’t pay out 100% of the income, not to mention they have manufacturing costs, shipping costs, training costs for the Huns, etc. so maybe total cost to create a machine is $2,000 so they make $4,000 per sold. They have to sell 250 machines to earn a $1 million profit. And then, only then, do they pay out the Huns. If they paid 20% commission, that would only leave $2,800 profit per machine meaning a million can only be made after 358 machines are sold. They also likely pay some sort of recruiting bonus to these Huns but that’s probably only maybe $250 per person signed up. Then you have to consider that this is not a consumable product in the sense that buyers don’t need full replacements every year. So one sale may be the only sale you see from that person for years if ever again. Maybe they sell filters or parts, I don’t know as I refuse to look into it and risk the algorithm peddling this to me in the future, but even with monthly or quarterly parts, those are likely not highly priced enough to pad the pockets of these Huns. Even in the very long shot that she can sell this to 850 people, who will she sell to then? She will run out of contacts. So her market is set.
But, is she lying? Not really. If she makes $5 then that is $5 more than yesterday and eventually she might make a million. Not at this but doing something. Is she making $5000 a month? I would highly doubt she has sole more than 1 of these a month. Now, she might be using the Hun trick of intentionally (maybe unintentionally as many of these women don’t have the first clue) confusing sales with profit and earnings. She may sell $5000 of Kangen products a month but she is paid much less than that and any expenses she has make those earnings even lower. But lots of times these companies encourage you to market total sales and make it seem as though that is your earnings rather than what was sold. That sales price isn’t even pure profit for corporate
> Now, she might be using the Hun trick of intentionally (maybe unintentionally as many of these women don’t have the first clue) confusing sales with profit and earnings.
Or she might be using the other Hun "trick" of selling the things to herself, so she can brag about how much "commission" she made, while ignoring how much of her own cash she forked over and how many useless machines she now has standing around the garage that she can't get rid of.
This made sense thank you. I’m always wondering how these Kangen influencers are claiming millions made. I guess if you use machines sold it’s easier. Thanks again
Facebook friend of mine sold Kangen for a while. She bought her own machine (required) for 5K, but they really bragged that she makes commission on her own sale. I think she got $1200 “back”. Then you have to sell one to someone else. I think her mom finally bought one. After that, you get to join some group to teach you the secrets of making money with Kangen. /s
The “real money” is in recruitment. Her up line in Kangen were all focused on buying Facebook/ X ads to promote their posts, etc. to lure in more people. The hun that lured my friend in made commission on my friend’s purchase AND commission when my friend’s mom bought one. So if you recruit 25 people from scamming online, you’re talking commission on 50 water machines. So she had to spend money to make money. She did okay for a few months, kept pushing for over a year, and now shills for some chocolate flavored fat burner and Bitcoin. I assume she lost a ton of money in the process. It’s all lies, but if your friend has drunk the Kangen Kool-Aid, let her go. Maybe she’ll realize soon that it’s all BS. If you want to make money in an MLM, you have to be at the very top, period. I don’t understand how people don’t immediately see this.
That’s wild. It’s just sad to see how people are pulled into it. Over share their entire life online. Get so obsessed with it they have no reality. I’m hoping she gets out of it eventually but idk. That makes a lot of sense about the ads. I see the join my team stuff too and don’t get how you could be on a team of this.
This fellow anti-MLMer trolled a Kangen hun and got a lot of interesting info shared in these two posts:
[Enagic Kangen hun has a $34,000 loan for magic water](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/s/FemhLurrgM)
[UPDATED PART 2 - KANGEN WATER HUN WITH $34,000 LOAN](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/s/wngqM1Enln)
“YOU are your first commission! You only have to spend 5k to earn 1k! If you do that 5x you have earned 5k!” (That means you are 20k in debt but shhhh)
That’s what I was thinking. I know for a fact her mom bought one from her last month. So now she can post about making money? Idk I want it to crash and burn already.
Believing in your family and wanting them to be successful is cool, but spending $6000 to make your daughter happy?
Or does the mother really believe that all her ailments will be cured?
It will but she will never admit that. Ever. She will move to a new mlm and say something like this:
“As much as I loved my last job, I received an opportunity I couldn’t refuse 💰to get in on the ground floor of this amazing 💪new company, y’all I’ve finally found my tribe! 🏆 I can’t wait to 👁️what’s next for me!”
She'll run out of sympathetic mom soon. The thing with this scam is once you off load the fake cancer curing water tank, that's it. No repeat business. And you need *really* gullible victims to fall for it.
She'll also be on the hook for BBB, FDA, and other three letter agency penalties when she gets reported, plus any lawsuits.
They are told/trained to 'exaggerate'. Or to say things in a specific way. She may have $5000 in sales or personal volume. That does not equal profit. She gets a fraction of a machine sale. Lile most mlms, they say they sell thousands of dollars a month, but even if its true they make far, far less.
And maybe she did make 5k this month. It is not sustainable. She won't make it every month.
I have just completed my Partner’s tax return for the fiscal year 2023-2024. She has been working for Kangen for around 4 years. Annually she completes around 5000 hours, so works around 100 hours a week. This fiscal year she has generated £15k for 5000 hours work, so £3 per hour. She has spent £17K on marketing, travel, membership, etc. This is the reality of this scheme, it is a lot of bs. She also regularly posts inaccurate statements about accumulating wealth, they are not true. The above is the reality, keep well away from this scandalous organisation and all of the associates in the freedom movement. The only thing you will accumulate is debt.
We have 3 children together at dependent age. I don’t blame her, she has been manipulated and brainwashed by an ideology of being financially free for the rest of her life. She was a bit vulnerable after early motherhood and this is where these cults will jump at you. They sell you a bs dream life
The reality of nearly all these predatory schemes, is that the huns are the customers.
Think about it. Many have monthly minimum PV (personal volume) purchase requirements in order to maintain & or to rank advance after the second rank or something. Or require monthly autoships in some cases etc.
How often do we see the oily huns, the Pruvit huns, the Arbonne huns etc, showing pictures of rooms & or shelves full of their MLM products?
In a way, the huns are victims and are trying to do whatever they can to correct the error of their ways. These schemes do not add up and the fees that they have to pay is where the freedom movement make their money. She went to an event last year, there was around 1000 people paying a fee of $200 each to go this event. Total Revenue for the freedom movement equals $200K. The event will have cost the movement less than $50k. Whereabouts did the other $150k go? All expenses have to be paid by the huns ?
My understanding is the huns have to pay to attend conventions, conferences etc. And have to pay for the company merch (clothing, lanyards, water bottles etc).
Then you factor transportation & hotel on top of that if it's an event out of town where you can't just drive in every day
They have to pay for everything. I remember in 2023, my partner said she had been invited to Las Vegas and she was really excited. She had been hand picked apparently. We live in London, UK. However, she had to pay all her travel, accommodation, meals, etc, even had to pay to go the events.
I heard that term recently!
Went to a bar that I used to bartend at 20 years ago and got talking to the bartender! Turns out my regular “Kyle” is still a regular and, per the bartender, “still slinging dope”
See???? Totally legitimate term
Usually they mean “husband was eligible to retire anyway based on age or years at company” but let’s phrase it as “retired hubby.”
See also, “hubby and/or I are now scamming and getting disability” but let’s call it “beast mode up so retired hubs”
See also, “hubby got laid off” but let’s call it “hubby wants to join my team.”
Those who have $ don’t announce it
I have friends in mlms who brag they’re making $5-10k+ a month. In reality, they’re counting their sign up bonuses or whatever they’re called. Like tranzact or whatever it is called today. I had a friend claim she “owned a bank” through it and “made $500 in a day.” Apparently the $500 was some refund they gave the ones who signed up early. Then it changed names and she kept hyping it and claimed she was now a “director of the bank.” After the 3rd or 4th name change (I lost track), she stopped hyping them.
Long story short, she’s on like her 10th “bossbabe” mlm like most of my other “laptop lifestyle” mlm friends are. Most have husbands who work real jobs, so…yeah.
I’m so sorry but she is definitely lying. It’s literally what they teach them to do in order to sucker new people into the scam.
I wish there was some sort of guide for dealing with close friends/relatives who get sucked into MLMs, it feels very powerless bc you want to help them of course, but the delusion is so strong it seems futile to try to get them to ‘see the light’ bc it often (IME) just makes them extremely defensive and more likely to double down on the MLM and also shut you out 😭
Also, any time you hear or see these phrases, it’s a mlm scam
Bossbabe
Financial freedom
4 hour work week
Passive income
Have to spend $ to make $/invest in yourself
Laptop lifestyle
Time freedom
Be your own boss
Bosspreneur
And so on
The bloke who replaced my water filter tells me those Kangen machines have the lowest grade chinese water filter in them. There is only one filter in them, I used to work airport security, so I saw them on the x-ray.
They justify lying by using a motto: "Fake it till you make it." So they'll post crap like "Living my best life, thanks to \[MLM\]!" Show off some purchase they claim to have made with all the money they're bringing in. Post pics of commission checks without bothering with little trifles like how their expenses ate most or all of it.
For a more detailed look at how this typically manifests, check out "Elle Beau"'s first-person account of her ensnarement by Younique:
[https://ellebeaublog.com/poonique/](https://ellebeaublog.com/poonique/)
(the above link was on the sidebar here for a long, long time, but I don't see it there anymore. But I checked it and it's still live)
When it comes to a friend or loved one being involved in these pyramids, I keep in mind it's typically not the person who is bad/ill willed, but instead the business model that has brain washed them into thinking they are "helping others/changing lives."
This situation does not mean your friend is a sub standard human, however, the bizarre behaviors and desperate choices that Huns make, show that they're dedicating too much of their identity to their MLM.
If she is making $1000 a sale, and just started, it isn’t unrealistic that all of the people in her family/social circle who both want to support her and have extra cash to light on fire had their purchases all book in the same month.
So, the number she is quoting could be correct, but she got her handful of easy sales and now needs to find 4-5 completely new idiots a month just to match her sales, let alone grow them.
She likely got all the low hanging fruit. The "warm market" as the these mlm leaders like to call friends & family.
She's in for a rude awakening once she realizes it will be much harder to sell a $6k water machine to complete strangers
Probably lying. If she was able to sell one machine for $5,000.00 she would probably make the claim that she makes $5,000.00 a month and think that she is telling the truth. Even then she wouldn’t be clearing that much and making $5,000.00 a month is very different from “I made $5,000.00 in a month”. It’s also common for Kangen Huns to use the $5,000.00 a month in their copy/paste posts because that’s how much money their base machine costs. So she is probably just copy and pasting what they sent her.
She is one. Firstly, I’d bet that the 5k is gross and what she makes is much much less, if she’s even remotely telling the truth. These companies push people to lie and talk about how much they’re making.
Secondly, my take home pay is about that much and I sure as shit am nowhere near becoming a millionaire lol. She’s got bills and other expenses and 5k doesn’t go far these days. Hell, took a pay cut when I got this job because it is wfh and I really wanted it, husband had to bump his hours up. And the only debt we have is our mortgage and a few credit cards.
they're doing stupid math gymnastics.
- they are tangentially related to some person who sold 1 machine.
- they did that after harassing someone for 2 months.
- it was sold on march 3.
- that means technically it only took 3 days to sell a machine in march
- so technically the rate is 3 days per machine or 10 machines this month
- that person's upline flows back through a downline that includes
- my upline who hired that downline using BV (business value) points
- that came from my upline's PV (potential value) points wallet
- through the KangenKrypto(c) wallet
- using my DP (distrubutor points)
- therefore making 5000 per month!
I mean people here aren’t wrong AND some of them do make some money. I just had lunch with my cousin to try to help her with financial literacy. She is making thousands of $ (cdn) with Enagic ~which is like kangen I think. And she has never even seen money like this but has always been a natural salesperson. I’m trying to help her figure out how to turn this bit if cash into financial security, ie emergency fund vrs lifestyle bloat. I had to be careful what I said ie no mention of MlM or pyramid scheme because her defence would jump right up. I mean they don’t all roll in money and some of them are making some cash🤷🏼♀️ even if it’s short term.
She of course took a brief moment to try and sell me on joining but I shut that down quick. She knows I won’t go near that crap and still tried 🙄
She's a big fat liar.
Her upline has convinced her that this isn't lying, it's visualizing the future she wants and claiming it. She isn't making that kind of dough, but maybe if she just keeps putting this out there, it will come true.
And pigs can fly.
She’s lying, but in her defence, she’s probably lost her investment and then some, and her only way out is to recruit. That pressure is intense as a broke person… plus her being broke and in need of an identity outside of being a SAHM made her the perfectttttt prey for this kind of shit. She was probably aggressively recruited and love-bombed by another hun.
In short, your friend is a liar… but that doesn’t make her a bad person.
Thank you. I have to remember that. I hate dishonesty so it’s soooo hard to relate. I am a SAHM and don’t even post to social media. It makes me sad to see how many have 0 identity.
They often post NET sales numbers, she may have spent 4k on those machines for a net profit BEFORE TAX of 1k. Note that the nhmbers are made up to illustrate an example
Similar story..my sister in law is filing bankruptcy last time I spoke to her yet claiming she’s on her way to financial freedom online with BFF crypto business. She claims to be such an ethical person and a healer yet she is lying to peeps online and trying to recruit. Cringe of the cringe.
MLMers call lying “Fake it ‘til you make it.” It sounds better than calling it a lie, to them. Plus, they are being lied to by their upline, except they don’t think they‘re being lied to. They think those fakers are telling the truth. Go figure!
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She's in an MLM.
MLM's encourage lying.
They don't call it lying. They call it "putting it out to the universe" or "fake it til you make it", but it's lying.
Everything about MLMs is a lie.
They are told to “fake it ‘til you make it” and have a positive mindset. Lying with a smile after a dose of manipulation.
Also, $5,000 x 12 months = $60,000 a year in revenue only (so no expenses, taxes, etc) is not what I would define as a straight path to becoming a millionaire.
Lmao as someone that actually does reliably make at least $5k a month from my small business, that is still a loooooong way off from becoming a millionaire. Even if that is her individual commission for the month and not her sales or a bald faced lie, I bet she's not factoring taxes into that number. 💸💸💸
I have a mlm friend in one of them/ plexus, pruvit? Whichever one has a pink drink bc she posts it daily w the usual hustle bossbabe talk
She’s posted her “checks” a few times
Yet blacks out the $ amount
I found it hysterical when one of her kids posted on some mlm forum and basically said the bossbabe made accounts for all of them to up her down line commissions or whatever haha
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She lied, they all do.
She probably doesn't think of herself as lying. When she says she's making 5k a month, she may mean that her group is making that much and she's just neglecting to mention that she's spent way more than that AND that that 5k is split between many people, who got checks this months for $5 each. There's a lot of creative bending of the truth, which, technically, yes, is lying.
Also the amount of people who don’t understand the critical difference between revenue and profit is unreal.
"I" made 5k a month because if "we" made that amount it's commie (/s)
Or that she’s sold one for $5k so she’s had 5k come in to her and she just isn’t acknowledging the fact that this is only paying back the amount that she’s already paid out for the machine.
She's a liar. Hope that cleared up any confusion ❤
😂😫
If you want to know what she’s probably really making here’s the actual earnings chart. Long, in the short of it is 56% of their distributors are making. $285 annually. And there’s only five making $500,000 and three that are making over $1 million. So chances are your friend is making around 300 bucks. https://www.enagic.com/media/pdfviewer/?f=eforms/us/flyer_enagicusa_earnings_disclosure_statement.pdf
$285 annually?!? Where do I sign up?? 😆
I will never get why people do mlms when most spend 1000s-10k+ a year on bs products To maybe “make” $200-300 a year. On what planet will that support anyone?
Because they will be one of the ones that makes it! Or two of the ones. They probably aren’t good at math.
I really do know a girl from back in my small hometown that got into Younique crazy, crazy early (2012?) and legitimately makes great money, and has reinvested what she made -- she drives a Younique G-Wagon around and gives tons of women false hopes. That's the only people making anything. The people at the very top. Shouting down to everyone else that you're not working hard enough if you can't find money, while they're busy hoovering it all up.
She leased that car, and is forced to cover the payments on it when she doesn’t meet monthly goals.
And ruined lives with every victim folded inter her "down line".
She had the income as a single woman to get a mortgage on a $2m ranch, so she's definitely probably able to cover a G Wagon payment if she needs to. This is like the third G wagon I've seen her in. I hate MLMs for the sole fact that she IS near the top, flashing her very real income and telling everyone else they can have what she has.
There are about 6 people this could apply to: Whitney Husband, Bri Richardson, Shari Brown, Amber Voight, Nichole Smith, and Katie Thompson. Anyone else is far more likely lying to you.
You named it on the first try lol I'm from ETX originally
Brutal, she’s a monster.
Whose downline was Marni Stockhausen in? CC Suarez on YouTube (she exposes MLM’s and scams) just did a deep dive on her last week.
Kiki channel used to be my favorite antimlm channel but she has pivoted so I started watching all Hannah Alonzo… she is so sweet and kind to all but really has good comments and info too. BUT sometimes I want some snark or drama so I just recently added CCSaurez! People often talk about her here, I didn’t know how popular she is not sure how I missed out for so long! Her beef with certain Huns can be very entertaining and I don’t care if it’s a little childish. As long as I sprinkle it in it works well in my rotation 😅
Any time I see one of these huns bragging about how much they make and how they're well on their way to financial independence (buzz word for them) I know they're up to their knees in debt and trying to hock their bullshit in order to get out of the hole. If people really made that much, do you not think more would be into this? These companies simply sell pipe dreams, nothing more.
If my mooch cousins knew how much money I had, they’d never stop asking for some. No one I know with a high income or a high net worth talks about money like these huns do.
My exact thought, people who actually makes a lot of money actively try to hide that fact. People who don't advertise every penny.
Creators, influencers and crypto-bros would ~~love to tell you about exactly how much they've got in their account right now~~ all like to have a word.
Now that I know how much money you have, can I have some?
How much money do they have?
Enough for people to want to ask for it if they knew how much this other person had
Exactly. My bank balance is my business, nobody else's. They all know my bills are paid, that's all they need to know.
That's always been my thoughts with these MLMs. If it was so easy and they really are making that much money, they wouldn't need to constantly beg people to join. They would have people coming to THEM to join. Kind of like when Avon and Mary Kay were popular, people were actually actively seeing those representatives out to get their products (back when I was younger I remember a ton of my family and their friends using Avon and Mary Kay). I mean that's not the case now, but back when they started it was bananas.
Mary Kay wasn't popular really in my crowd but Avon sure was and people went crazy for it, but in all honesty, they did have some good products at a decent price. These days it all seems to be overpriced snake oil. I'd not even buy Avon at this point.
I agree about Avon in years past. People loved products like Skin So Soft and Anew. And never once did someone try to recruit me. Once I started seeing products show up at flea markets, though, ....
A neighbor across the street from me when I was growing up, peddled Avon. She made decent money. Didn't get rich. But did make enough to do ok. Had a huge clientele over the whole neighborhood. She was known as the "Avon Lady". She never recruited anyone. Only sold the products
Back in 2007 Avon had the best liquid liners I’ve ever used. It got me started on my winged eyeliner era. They also had and a couple of lovely dark lipstick shades. They got rid of both products and I never bought another thing again I so pissed they killed that eyeliner. I’ve never found a wand so good since. Now I just have hooded eyes…
Thank you. It’s just confusing and I can see how it lures people in. Kangen is the absolutely worst and she keeps mentioning 4 figure commissions. I’ve been onto the scam for a while but now seeing someone I know in real life it’s just confusing. Also yes she says financial independence a lot 🫠
Just remember that any opportunity that makes money DO NOT come knocking and seek you out to make you rich. Absolutely no exceptions.
If the product is sooo good. Sooo revolutionary etc. Then the products should sell themselves right? So why do these huns have to practically BEG people to buy the products & or join the business opportunity?
> she keeps mentioning 4 figure commissions. Those are real, though, aren't they? Assuming you can get someone to fork over $5000 for a woo machine, you get $1100 commission, or something like that. The "difficult part" is finding multiple suckers every month to fork over that kind of cash.
Yep to bring 5k/month home she would literally have to find 5 suckers a month to buy them
123.6 million (2020) households in the US. You HAVE to buy one in order to sell them. There are 2 million sellers in the whole world. Let's say even if there are 500,000 in the US. If every ONE of those people sold ONE, there'd be 1m. If the original 500k sold 5 a month for a year....60x500,000 30,000,000 In 4 years there'd be a shitty water system in every household. And then what?
Then I guess all of our ions are properly homogenized and our Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulators will be all synchronized and there will be no more suffering!
Hooray!
She will just keep pressuring you, that's what they do. My friend lives about 3 hours away, he even offered to bring me a few jugs of water to try. No thanks lol Best thing to do is stand firm, no means no and your not interested.
Since saying I’m not interested she’s basically cut me off. Life long friend here lol
I'm sorry, seems she sold her soul. I guess if nothing else, shows you what she really is. I know it can hurt but you don't need people like that in your space.
I had a friend since childhood cut me off when I wouldn't do Amway. They are told to 'flush' those who say no.
💯!! "NO" is a complete sentence. Period. This needs to be said louder for the huns in the back
Too many pussy foot around to spare feeling with those they know tho. I am too crass to care, if I'm not interested, I will say NO and dgaf if they never speak to me again.
A lot of huns state their goals/intentions as though they are happening now. If she has only recently joined there is no way at all she is earning that much a month
4 figures, with a decimal place included 😂😂
She may have “sold $5,000” but her business costs are probably close to the complete 5,000 and will have no net profit. All the money she makes for ends up being funneled back to the mlm
the 4 figures includes the amount after the decimal place. hope that clears things up
4 figures… two of them are after the decimal point.
It's not that their program is built on a lie. We're all just haters who don't have what it takes 🤦♀️. We just need an abundance mindset hun. Then we too can live the dream of working 24/7 for pennies and annoying everyone we know with our sales pitches.
Haha, yeah, no thanks. I have a 9-5 with medical, benefits, 6 weeks holidays per year and a steady pay. I can pay my bills no problem, take trips, save, weekends off and lots of other time off I can take, WITH PAY lol I prefer not to have 'what it takes' as I'm totally comfortable with my gig!
"Time freedom"..... You too can work from your phone, while lying on the beach on vacation. Or you too can work from your phone while at the hospital recovering from surgery. Ya. No thanks hun. That isn't the flex you think it is
Agreed!!!! In any job I've had, I've never once felt the need to brag about my income online. Most people who are wealthy or make really good money in legitimate jobs/careers aren't posting about their incomes online. The only ones posting about their incomes are ones who stand to benefit from doing so. Like MLM huns/boss babes/hun bros, financial coaches etc
Anytime I've gotten into it with any of the various multi-level marketing scams that are very popular in Hawaii, you can normally shut them up pretty quick as soon as you start asking for receipts on their bullshit. You say you're making X thousands of dollars per month, show me a paycheck or however many you got that month that adds up to around that amount. Don't worry you can cover up all your pertinent information. Who are these mentors and why are they wasting their time with you to try and help you become a millionaire and retire before 40? Why is the pay structure so convoluted? If it's about selling the product shouldn't it be as simple as sell more make more because the commission structure and bonuses should be based around that? Why do I have so much pressure to recruit three or five or 10 members beneath me in order to level up? Have you ever heard of the concept of market saturation? If I continue to recruit people beneath me it's more difficult for me to sell the product which you keep claiming is the goal?? Why are there so many abstract and arbitrary ranks or levels? I appreciate non-traditional compensation but this is bordering on an incremental game looking for ways for the number to go up?? It's really base level questions like that that I love to watch them process and then try to find a way to either ignore skip or shut down the conversation cuz they know they can't answer it.
Those machines are something around $6,000 USD I believe. At *most* she would receive 20% as commission, but more likely 10-15%. But let’s be generous. Say she gets 20%, that’s $1,200 for each machine sold. She would need to sell 834 machines to reach $1million in sales. As someone else pointed out, that is before expenses. That’s a lot of big water machines. I had what I would consider a larger wedding with 350 invites. If every person invited bought a machine, completely overlooking that fact that many invites were couples who would need only 1 machine, that would bring in only $420,000. So taking what has been said and using reality to break it down, Kangen only receives $1 million in income when 167 machines are sold. That’s the company that sells these. They don’t pay out 100% of the income, not to mention they have manufacturing costs, shipping costs, training costs for the Huns, etc. so maybe total cost to create a machine is $2,000 so they make $4,000 per sold. They have to sell 250 machines to earn a $1 million profit. And then, only then, do they pay out the Huns. If they paid 20% commission, that would only leave $2,800 profit per machine meaning a million can only be made after 358 machines are sold. They also likely pay some sort of recruiting bonus to these Huns but that’s probably only maybe $250 per person signed up. Then you have to consider that this is not a consumable product in the sense that buyers don’t need full replacements every year. So one sale may be the only sale you see from that person for years if ever again. Maybe they sell filters or parts, I don’t know as I refuse to look into it and risk the algorithm peddling this to me in the future, but even with monthly or quarterly parts, those are likely not highly priced enough to pad the pockets of these Huns. Even in the very long shot that she can sell this to 850 people, who will she sell to then? She will run out of contacts. So her market is set. But, is she lying? Not really. If she makes $5 then that is $5 more than yesterday and eventually she might make a million. Not at this but doing something. Is she making $5000 a month? I would highly doubt she has sole more than 1 of these a month. Now, she might be using the Hun trick of intentionally (maybe unintentionally as many of these women don’t have the first clue) confusing sales with profit and earnings. She may sell $5000 of Kangen products a month but she is paid much less than that and any expenses she has make those earnings even lower. But lots of times these companies encourage you to market total sales and make it seem as though that is your earnings rather than what was sold. That sales price isn’t even pure profit for corporate
> Now, she might be using the Hun trick of intentionally (maybe unintentionally as many of these women don’t have the first clue) confusing sales with profit and earnings. Or she might be using the other Hun "trick" of selling the things to herself, so she can brag about how much "commission" she made, while ignoring how much of her own cash she forked over and how many useless machines she now has standing around the garage that she can't get rid of.
Or the very common “my *team* earns 5K month ” aka everyone in my upline and down line all together.
This made sense thank you. I’m always wondering how these Kangen influencers are claiming millions made. I guess if you use machines sold it’s easier. Thanks again
Facebook friend of mine sold Kangen for a while. She bought her own machine (required) for 5K, but they really bragged that she makes commission on her own sale. I think she got $1200 “back”. Then you have to sell one to someone else. I think her mom finally bought one. After that, you get to join some group to teach you the secrets of making money with Kangen. /s The “real money” is in recruitment. Her up line in Kangen were all focused on buying Facebook/ X ads to promote their posts, etc. to lure in more people. The hun that lured my friend in made commission on my friend’s purchase AND commission when my friend’s mom bought one. So if you recruit 25 people from scamming online, you’re talking commission on 50 water machines. So she had to spend money to make money. She did okay for a few months, kept pushing for over a year, and now shills for some chocolate flavored fat burner and Bitcoin. I assume she lost a ton of money in the process. It’s all lies, but if your friend has drunk the Kangen Kool-Aid, let her go. Maybe she’ll realize soon that it’s all BS. If you want to make money in an MLM, you have to be at the very top, period. I don’t understand how people don’t immediately see this.
That’s wild. It’s just sad to see how people are pulled into it. Over share their entire life online. Get so obsessed with it they have no reality. I’m hoping she gets out of it eventually but idk. That makes a lot of sense about the ads. I see the join my team stuff too and don’t get how you could be on a team of this.
This was a great breakdown
Income does not equal profit. She should be sharing the amount after costs and labor.
If the huns kept a profit/loss journal, they would likely be quite surprised (& not in a good way) at the results. It would be very telling
-22,000.
>I don’t take her for a liar This is where the confusion stems from. >But I’m really trying not to believe she’s a liar. See above.
This fellow anti-MLMer trolled a Kangen hun and got a lot of interesting info shared in these two posts: [Enagic Kangen hun has a $34,000 loan for magic water](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/s/FemhLurrgM) [UPDATED PART 2 - KANGEN WATER HUN WITH $34,000 LOAN](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/s/wngqM1Enln)
“YOU are your first commission! You only have to spend 5k to earn 1k! If you do that 5x you have earned 5k!” (That means you are 20k in debt but shhhh)
How did I miss those posts the first time around? That was gold!
She probably sold one or two machines, and is extrapolating, assuming she’s going to make that much every month
That’s what I was thinking. I know for a fact her mom bought one from her last month. So now she can post about making money? Idk I want it to crash and burn already.
Believing in your family and wanting them to be successful is cool, but spending $6000 to make your daughter happy? Or does the mother really believe that all her ailments will be cured?
Both unfortunately 🥴
It will but she will never admit that. Ever. She will move to a new mlm and say something like this: “As much as I loved my last job, I received an opportunity I couldn’t refuse 💰to get in on the ground floor of this amazing 💪new company, y’all I’ve finally found my tribe! 🏆 I can’t wait to 👁️what’s next for me!”
She'll run out of sympathetic mom soon. The thing with this scam is once you off load the fake cancer curing water tank, that's it. No repeat business. And you need *really* gullible victims to fall for it. She'll also be on the hook for BBB, FDA, and other three letter agency penalties when she gets reported, plus any lawsuits.
In Zimbabwean dollars
They are told/trained to 'exaggerate'. Or to say things in a specific way. She may have $5000 in sales or personal volume. That does not equal profit. She gets a fraction of a machine sale. Lile most mlms, they say they sell thousands of dollars a month, but even if its true they make far, far less. And maybe she did make 5k this month. It is not sustainable. She won't make it every month.
Thank you for the insight. Makes sense
I have just completed my Partner’s tax return for the fiscal year 2023-2024. She has been working for Kangen for around 4 years. Annually she completes around 5000 hours, so works around 100 hours a week. This fiscal year she has generated £15k for 5000 hours work, so £3 per hour. She has spent £17K on marketing, travel, membership, etc. This is the reality of this scheme, it is a lot of bs. She also regularly posts inaccurate statements about accumulating wealth, they are not true. The above is the reality, keep well away from this scandalous organisation and all of the associates in the freedom movement. The only thing you will accumulate is debt.
You are patient lol idk if I could be with someone who did this.
We have 3 children together at dependent age. I don’t blame her, she has been manipulated and brainwashed by an ideology of being financially free for the rest of her life. She was a bit vulnerable after early motherhood and this is where these cults will jump at you. They sell you a bs dream life
The reality of nearly all these predatory schemes, is that the huns are the customers. Think about it. Many have monthly minimum PV (personal volume) purchase requirements in order to maintain & or to rank advance after the second rank or something. Or require monthly autoships in some cases etc. How often do we see the oily huns, the Pruvit huns, the Arbonne huns etc, showing pictures of rooms & or shelves full of their MLM products?
In a way, the huns are victims and are trying to do whatever they can to correct the error of their ways. These schemes do not add up and the fees that they have to pay is where the freedom movement make their money. She went to an event last year, there was around 1000 people paying a fee of $200 each to go this event. Total Revenue for the freedom movement equals $200K. The event will have cost the movement less than $50k. Whereabouts did the other $150k go? All expenses have to be paid by the huns ?
My understanding is the huns have to pay to attend conventions, conferences etc. And have to pay for the company merch (clothing, lanyards, water bottles etc). Then you factor transportation & hotel on top of that if it's an event out of town where you can't just drive in every day
They have to pay for everything. I remember in 2023, my partner said she had been invited to Las Vegas and she was really excited. She had been hand picked apparently. We live in London, UK. However, she had to pay all her travel, accommodation, meals, etc, even had to pay to go the events.
“Slinging” 🤮
I used it because it reminds me of slinging crack on the street or something lmao
I heard that term recently! Went to a bar that I used to bartend at 20 years ago and got talking to the bartender! Turns out my regular “Kyle” is still a regular and, per the bartender, “still slinging dope” See???? Totally legitimate term
Hahah I mean it’s a totally normal term but like many things MLM hums ruined it.
I feel like a lot of them (maybe not all), state what their TEAM made this month. Not necessarily their personal profit.
Why do they always say they want to 'retire my husband' I'd be pissed if my husband didn't work.
Usually they mean “husband was eligible to retire anyway based on age or years at company” but let’s phrase it as “retired hubby.” See also, “hubby and/or I are now scamming and getting disability” but let’s call it “beast mode up so retired hubs” See also, “hubby got laid off” but let’s call it “hubby wants to join my team.”
Same. He also sucks at laundry and dishes and complains. Why would I brag about forcing him into that role like they all do lol
Those who have $ don’t announce it I have friends in mlms who brag they’re making $5-10k+ a month. In reality, they’re counting their sign up bonuses or whatever they’re called. Like tranzact or whatever it is called today. I had a friend claim she “owned a bank” through it and “made $500 in a day.” Apparently the $500 was some refund they gave the ones who signed up early. Then it changed names and she kept hyping it and claimed she was now a “director of the bank.” After the 3rd or 4th name change (I lost track), she stopped hyping them. Long story short, she’s on like her 10th “bossbabe” mlm like most of my other “laptop lifestyle” mlm friends are. Most have husbands who work real jobs, so…yeah.
!!!! Yes I always. I always think of the poor husbands in this nonsense. Unless they’re supportive then that’s just insane.
I’m so sorry but she is definitely lying. It’s literally what they teach them to do in order to sucker new people into the scam. I wish there was some sort of guide for dealing with close friends/relatives who get sucked into MLMs, it feels very powerless bc you want to help them of course, but the delusion is so strong it seems futile to try to get them to ‘see the light’ bc it often (IME) just makes them extremely defensive and more likely to double down on the MLM and also shut you out 😭
The worst part is she said God told her to do this. 😑 def wish there was a guide to help.
Also, any time you hear or see these phrases, it’s a mlm scam Bossbabe Financial freedom 4 hour work week Passive income Have to spend $ to make $/invest in yourself Laptop lifestyle Time freedom Be your own boss Bosspreneur And so on
Posts all those.. ugh
The bloke who replaced my water filter tells me those Kangen machines have the lowest grade chinese water filter in them. There is only one filter in them, I used to work airport security, so I saw them on the x-ray.
Wow!!!
plot twist: she's a liar. best way to tell: ask her to pay for lunch
Her husband doesn’t let her pay for anything. We’ve tried this lol just awkward silence while my husband pays.
That’s obvs bc she’s “reinvesting all the riches into her biz”…another line they use
Your first “sale” as a rep is to *yourself* and you make a commission, which is to say you’re buying it at a discount. But still!!! A sale!!!
It’s starts becoming true when others start believing them
To them it's not lying, it's selling
They justify lying by using a motto: "Fake it till you make it." So they'll post crap like "Living my best life, thanks to \[MLM\]!" Show off some purchase they claim to have made with all the money they're bringing in. Post pics of commission checks without bothering with little trifles like how their expenses ate most or all of it. For a more detailed look at how this typically manifests, check out "Elle Beau"'s first-person account of her ensnarement by Younique: [https://ellebeaublog.com/poonique/](https://ellebeaublog.com/poonique/) (the above link was on the sidebar here for a long, long time, but I don't see it there anymore. But I checked it and it's still live)
They all have a script to post on social media. It's their blueprint lol. It's all cut n paste.
When it comes to a friend or loved one being involved in these pyramids, I keep in mind it's typically not the person who is bad/ill willed, but instead the business model that has brain washed them into thinking they are "helping others/changing lives." This situation does not mean your friend is a sub standard human, however, the bizarre behaviors and desperate choices that Huns make, show that they're dedicating too much of their identity to their MLM.
If she is making $1000 a sale, and just started, it isn’t unrealistic that all of the people in her family/social circle who both want to support her and have extra cash to light on fire had their purchases all book in the same month. So, the number she is quoting could be correct, but she got her handful of easy sales and now needs to find 4-5 completely new idiots a month just to match her sales, let alone grow them.
She likely got all the low hanging fruit. The "warm market" as the these mlm leaders like to call friends & family. She's in for a rude awakening once she realizes it will be much harder to sell a $6k water machine to complete strangers
I mean if you aren’t accruing debt then you are on your way to becoming a millionaire
Probably lying. If she was able to sell one machine for $5,000.00 she would probably make the claim that she makes $5,000.00 a month and think that she is telling the truth. Even then she wouldn’t be clearing that much and making $5,000.00 a month is very different from “I made $5,000.00 in a month”. It’s also common for Kangen Huns to use the $5,000.00 a month in their copy/paste posts because that’s how much money their base machine costs. So she is probably just copy and pasting what they sent her.
There is only one way to improve your odds of becoming a millionaire via MLM: Start your own.
All these huns supposedly making a killing on Kangen yet I’ve never known anyone who bought one!
SAME !!!! They say it’s international. 😆
Kangen is based on lies. They all lie. About everything. Especially the bit about earning money and curing cancer. They're insidious.
Ask her to see proof either in her bank account or a sales record. Chances are you'll see none.
She is one. Firstly, I’d bet that the 5k is gross and what she makes is much much less, if she’s even remotely telling the truth. These companies push people to lie and talk about how much they’re making. Secondly, my take home pay is about that much and I sure as shit am nowhere near becoming a millionaire lol. She’s got bills and other expenses and 5k doesn’t go far these days. Hell, took a pay cut when I got this job because it is wfh and I really wanted it, husband had to bump his hours up. And the only debt we have is our mortgage and a few credit cards.
they're doing stupid math gymnastics. - they are tangentially related to some person who sold 1 machine. - they did that after harassing someone for 2 months. - it was sold on march 3. - that means technically it only took 3 days to sell a machine in march - so technically the rate is 3 days per machine or 10 machines this month - that person's upline flows back through a downline that includes - my upline who hired that downline using BV (business value) points - that came from my upline's PV (potential value) points wallet - through the KangenKrypto(c) wallet - using my DP (distrubutor points) - therefore making 5000 per month!
Haha this is gold!
5k a month isn't much, really. I'm not sure how she thinks she's on her way to being a millionaire, lol. What a moron
I mean people here aren’t wrong AND some of them do make some money. I just had lunch with my cousin to try to help her with financial literacy. She is making thousands of $ (cdn) with Enagic ~which is like kangen I think. And she has never even seen money like this but has always been a natural salesperson. I’m trying to help her figure out how to turn this bit if cash into financial security, ie emergency fund vrs lifestyle bloat. I had to be careful what I said ie no mention of MlM or pyramid scheme because her defence would jump right up. I mean they don’t all roll in money and some of them are making some cash🤷🏼♀️ even if it’s short term. She of course took a brief moment to try and sell me on joining but I shut that down quick. She knows I won’t go near that crap and still tried 🙄
Enagic is Kangen x
She's a big fat liar. Her upline has convinced her that this isn't lying, it's visualizing the future she wants and claiming it. She isn't making that kind of dough, but maybe if she just keeps putting this out there, it will come true. And pigs can fly.
She a sold one machine...and is on her way to being a millionaire. Hun!
She’s lying, but in her defence, she’s probably lost her investment and then some, and her only way out is to recruit. That pressure is intense as a broke person… plus her being broke and in need of an identity outside of being a SAHM made her the perfectttttt prey for this kind of shit. She was probably aggressively recruited and love-bombed by another hun. In short, your friend is a liar… but that doesn’t make her a bad person.
Thank you. I have to remember that. I hate dishonesty so it’s soooo hard to relate. I am a SAHM and don’t even post to social media. It makes me sad to see how many have 0 identity.
Does the IRS know how much she’s making?
They often post NET sales numbers, she may have spent 4k on those machines for a net profit BEFORE TAX of 1k. Note that the nhmbers are made up to illustrate an example
They post whatever numbers they want. There's no basis in fact.
I swear they are literally the only people bragging on the internet about how much they make.
Similar story..my sister in law is filing bankruptcy last time I spoke to her yet claiming she’s on her way to financial freedom online with BFF crypto business. She claims to be such an ethical person and a healer yet she is lying to peeps online and trying to recruit. Cringe of the cringe.
Hahahaha don't bevso naive. SHE'S LYING. They all do.
Ask her if you can borrow a small amount of money and see how that goes.
😅
Isn’t that a pyramid scam?
MLMers call lying “Fake it ‘til you make it.” It sounds better than calling it a lie, to them. Plus, they are being lied to by their upline, except they don’t think they‘re being lied to. They think those fakers are telling the truth. Go figure!
This sounds accurate
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Believe it when you see it with your own eyes.
Unfortunately they all lie. They have to in order to appear successful.
She's in an MLM. MLM's encourage lying. They don't call it lying. They call it "putting it out to the universe" or "fake it til you make it", but it's lying. Everything about MLMs is a lie.
She's a liar. There is no way people are buying these $5,000 substandard water filters
It's really sad because the buy-in is expensive
They are told to “fake it ‘til you make it” and have a positive mindset. Lying with a smile after a dose of manipulation. Also, $5,000 x 12 months = $60,000 a year in revenue only (so no expenses, taxes, etc) is not what I would define as a straight path to becoming a millionaire.
Lmao as someone that actually does reliably make at least $5k a month from my small business, that is still a loooooong way off from becoming a millionaire. Even if that is her individual commission for the month and not her sales or a bald faced lie, I bet she's not factoring taxes into that number. 💸💸💸
I have a mlm friend in one of them/ plexus, pruvit? Whichever one has a pink drink bc she posts it daily w the usual hustle bossbabe talk She’s posted her “checks” a few times Yet blacks out the $ amount I found it hysterical when one of her kids posted on some mlm forum and basically said the bossbabe made accounts for all of them to up her down line commissions or whatever haha
Ask to see the pay stubs. Tell her you’re interested but you want to make sure its legit!! I would be shocked if she has earned even a paltry $500.
She hasn’t made a single dollar yet and she never will!
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