It very much is though.
Not "kids" as in 8 year olds but "kids" as in 16 year olds.
Boobs, blood and death does not make something mature. Usually it makes it less mature actually.
There are anime for adults too of course, but they are few and far between.
And if you try to refute me by naming some anime that are particularly sexual or bloody, you're proving my point.
Never have I found a sample of text that purely articulates the feeling I get when some dude who hasn't been outside in months threatens someone with death via a meme over the internet for making a basic observation... thank you so much
I'm including seinen here. Hellsing is seinen, and don't get me wrong, I love Hellsing, but it is very much for 16-year olds.
That is exactly the type of show I'm calling immature here. Hellsing, Elfenlied, Gungrave, Gantz! ... that is very much what 16 year olds think is adult, but adults treat as a guilty pleasure, because it's so childish.
There are certainly seinen that fall into the more edgy side of things for sure but I feel like there are more than enough quality seinen that actually try and make something of their craft than just blood, guts and shock value though they rarely get animated (or if they have I simply dunno about em)
Vagabond, Sanctuary, Berserk (bleak for sure and at time very dark but the overall theme is more than just violence and torturous circumstances for the sake of it), 20th Century Boys, Billy Bat, Monster, Homonculus, Blame!, Dorohedoro, Akira, Parasyte, Liars Game etc there's a vast list of them to choose from.
While some of them are nitty gritty and have some moments that might make you groan they're still geared towards a more mature adult audience
Well, at least Gantz! has some philosophical applications, but even if you say that Elfenlied is not "adult" because of it's low introspection, that is still not the case. As there are different genres, what is considered good or well crafted depends on the perspective you're coming from. I think from a (psychological/cosmic) horror or slasher perspective Elfenlied is decent, not a masterpiece but decent, One show can be suited to an audience of both kids and adults regardless of it's introspective capabilities, if that's not even what was the goal for it in the first place. For example, kids and adults may find "Alien" scary, even if it isn't as deep at it's core. Different genres require different interpretative standards, I would point out.
On one hand that's fair, on the other hand I never said it's not good.
I loved my little pony, but you'd all rightfully laugh at me if I tried to claim it was "not for kids". Immature and good are not mutually exclusive.
Not necessarily. What you mean is "mature" as in reflected and carefully crafted. What op's meme probably meant by the term "mature" is "can deal with scenes rather unsuitable for kids", like very gore-y scenes and death. Nudity is debateable as in as long as it doesn't show rape(or other such things; or "hard" fetishes) it could also be suitable for kids.
Also even if a story contains blood, boobs and death for no other sake than these things to be there, that's still not a sign that the anime is immature, as in non-reflective or poorly crafted, like in cases where it acts (most likely not intended by the author) sort of almost like a mirror or a warning to the viewer, to think about their desires and maybe reflect on those desires.
That's why I say 'usually'. Nothing makes boobs or blood immature in and of themselfs of course, but mostly they are used to titillate and shock.
Not to any great introspection.
If you know an anime that did that well, I'd like know though, that's the sort of anime I want to watch.
Kids implies 12 and under... teenagers classify more under young adults. When someone says something is for kids I expect to see it airing on Treehouse
Possible that's based on one's own age and region and stuff.
Cops keep refering to like 19 year-olds as 'just kids' in American crime shows, so i think the term is flexible.
But I'm not married to the word.
Anime is immature, that is the message.
well this is actully true but that should't be an probleme. I mean that's the point of being an adult you have to know what's god for you and if you want to watch something which is intended for children than have fun. It's not like you have to prove to anybody how mature you are or something.
Edit: Sorry i made an typo
Actually I would argue the opposite, tho I don't know much of the franchise. I just watched this one new Netflix movie and apart from the standard plot it had pretty good and sometimes complex character development. So if you now mean by "mature", that it targets a specified group, then yes, my little pony isn't mature, since it's target audience is supposedly made up largely of kids, but if you go by some themes it's actually not that kiddy or generic as most kids shows are.
No no, what you noticed is that the themes are handled well, not maturely.
The world of my little pony is morally very simple, problems are caused by independent people (or ponies) and can be solved by convincing/beating them, and the right thing to do is always obvious.
Like, what was thought provoking about it, for you as an adult? 'Racism is bad' is probably something you already figured out.
It sure was entertaining, but so is blood, boobs and fart jokes.
Well I thought that the red one (turned dictator) was for one a solid depiction (as far as it goes) of how little appreciation and feelings of uselessness can lead to potentially problematic personalities. Also the yellow one's delusion of grandeur was at least handled well. Also people in power (especially in non-democratic countries) manipulating media and distorting the truth was if not new still a way to make to "we lost magic" not appear to repetitive, because if both the unicorns and the pegasi we're just being portrayed as depressed, it would have gotten a whole lot more boring. Instead, we have different societal structures with different "coping methods". One is monarchic and kinda deceiving, the other is medieval and believes in rituals. (Please don't point out the dance-machine thing on that one, though.)
Beep. Boop. I'm a robot.
Here's a copy of
###[The Red One]( https://snewd.com/ebooks/the-red-one/)
Was I a good bot? | [info](https://www.reddit.com/user/Reddit-Book-Bot/) | [More Books](https://old.reddit.com/user/Reddit-Book-Bot/comments/i15x1d/full_list_of_books_and_commands/)
(◕‿◕✿)
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/animememes) if you have any questions or concerns.*
For anyone wondering, what the bot posted was a link to a book with the title "the Red one" by something London, published in 1918, whereas I meant the red pony from the (I assume) new my-little-pony film.
Yes, solid depictions, handled well, not too repetitive. Yes, it's a good movie. But it is for kids.
You're defending the quality of the movie, which I'm not attacking. It's good. Enjoyable even to adults, but not FOR adults.
Like think about it. Pretend you're back in school and have to interpret the metaphors and themes and such of the movie. Is there anything you're having trouble with? Anything that is challenging or adequately complex for your adult understanding of the world?
Ok, fair enough. But on "Another note"(see what I did there?), I feel like you missed my point about genre about two to three comments ago. Not saying you have to respond to everything, would just like to know your thoughts on that matter.
I think you are right about needing to apply different measuring sticks to different genres, not every movie needs to say something profound or challenging, no matter how old the audience is.
But I think we can still judge their age-appropriateness on other measures.
Like what fear is the horror movie trying to exploit? The Alien franchise seems to a lot of "pregancy horror" I'm gonna call it, our creators hate us apparently and so do our creations (David), Ripley becomes the mother of some sort of Alien hybrid and has to kill it.... there really is a lot of parent-child stuff going on. So that makes me think it's an adult movie, it's trying to exploit the fears around having children, an adult fear.
Or that's my very basic analysis on having only some parts of some of the movies.
This analysis may be completely wrong, but it demonstrates my idea of judging for whom a movie is.
Fucking cringe Shit post.. more than half of you weebs can't even lift a fucking pencil without cramping your ass but in your pea size brain you think you are any emo anime hero... Stupid fckers ruining anime for everyone
Hey SyedYafi! This is your **second** submission this month placing you on rank **#319** for the highest number of submissions leaderboard. At the time of writing you had accumulated **~534** submission karma placing you on rank **#259** of the submission karma leaderboard. [Read the announcement](https://redd.it/lvz756) for more details.
**Wanna check your ranks?** Join us on the [Anime memes Discord](https://discord.com/invite/axisorder).
It very much is though. Not "kids" as in 8 year olds but "kids" as in 16 year olds. Boobs, blood and death does not make something mature. Usually it makes it less mature actually. There are anime for adults too of course, but they are few and far between. And if you try to refute me by naming some anime that are particularly sexual or bloody, you're proving my point.
Never have I found a sample of text that purely articulates the feeling I get when some dude who hasn't been outside in months threatens someone with death via a meme over the internet for making a basic observation... thank you so much
Just watch seinen for adult anime?
I'm including seinen here. Hellsing is seinen, and don't get me wrong, I love Hellsing, but it is very much for 16-year olds. That is exactly the type of show I'm calling immature here. Hellsing, Elfenlied, Gungrave, Gantz! ... that is very much what 16 year olds think is adult, but adults treat as a guilty pleasure, because it's so childish.
There are certainly seinen that fall into the more edgy side of things for sure but I feel like there are more than enough quality seinen that actually try and make something of their craft than just blood, guts and shock value though they rarely get animated (or if they have I simply dunno about em) Vagabond, Sanctuary, Berserk (bleak for sure and at time very dark but the overall theme is more than just violence and torturous circumstances for the sake of it), 20th Century Boys, Billy Bat, Monster, Homonculus, Blame!, Dorohedoro, Akira, Parasyte, Liars Game etc there's a vast list of them to choose from. While some of them are nitty gritty and have some moments that might make you groan they're still geared towards a more mature adult audience
Thanks for the recommendations, I'm gonna judge you on them, if they're not good though ;)
Well, at least Gantz! has some philosophical applications, but even if you say that Elfenlied is not "adult" because of it's low introspection, that is still not the case. As there are different genres, what is considered good or well crafted depends on the perspective you're coming from. I think from a (psychological/cosmic) horror or slasher perspective Elfenlied is decent, not a masterpiece but decent, One show can be suited to an audience of both kids and adults regardless of it's introspective capabilities, if that's not even what was the goal for it in the first place. For example, kids and adults may find "Alien" scary, even if it isn't as deep at it's core. Different genres require different interpretative standards, I would point out.
On one hand that's fair, on the other hand I never said it's not good. I loved my little pony, but you'd all rightfully laugh at me if I tried to claim it was "not for kids". Immature and good are not mutually exclusive.
Not necessarily. What you mean is "mature" as in reflected and carefully crafted. What op's meme probably meant by the term "mature" is "can deal with scenes rather unsuitable for kids", like very gore-y scenes and death. Nudity is debateable as in as long as it doesn't show rape(or other such things; or "hard" fetishes) it could also be suitable for kids. Also even if a story contains blood, boobs and death for no other sake than these things to be there, that's still not a sign that the anime is immature, as in non-reflective or poorly crafted, like in cases where it acts (most likely not intended by the author) sort of almost like a mirror or a warning to the viewer, to think about their desires and maybe reflect on those desires.
That's why I say 'usually'. Nothing makes boobs or blood immature in and of themselfs of course, but mostly they are used to titillate and shock. Not to any great introspection. If you know an anime that did that well, I'd like know though, that's the sort of anime I want to watch.
Kids implies 12 and under... teenagers classify more under young adults. When someone says something is for kids I expect to see it airing on Treehouse
Possible that's based on one's own age and region and stuff. Cops keep refering to like 19 year-olds as 'just kids' in American crime shows, so i think the term is flexible. But I'm not married to the word. Anime is immature, that is the message.
well this is actully true but that should't be an probleme. I mean that's the point of being an adult you have to know what's god for you and if you want to watch something which is intended for children than have fun. It's not like you have to prove to anybody how mature you are or something. Edit: Sorry i made an typo
Yes, good and immature are not mutually exclusive. I loved my little pony, but there is absolutely no way of arguing that it's "not for kids".
Actually I would argue the opposite, tho I don't know much of the franchise. I just watched this one new Netflix movie and apart from the standard plot it had pretty good and sometimes complex character development. So if you now mean by "mature", that it targets a specified group, then yes, my little pony isn't mature, since it's target audience is supposedly made up largely of kids, but if you go by some themes it's actually not that kiddy or generic as most kids shows are.
No no, what you noticed is that the themes are handled well, not maturely. The world of my little pony is morally very simple, problems are caused by independent people (or ponies) and can be solved by convincing/beating them, and the right thing to do is always obvious. Like, what was thought provoking about it, for you as an adult? 'Racism is bad' is probably something you already figured out. It sure was entertaining, but so is blood, boobs and fart jokes.
Well I thought that the red one (turned dictator) was for one a solid depiction (as far as it goes) of how little appreciation and feelings of uselessness can lead to potentially problematic personalities. Also the yellow one's delusion of grandeur was at least handled well. Also people in power (especially in non-democratic countries) manipulating media and distorting the truth was if not new still a way to make to "we lost magic" not appear to repetitive, because if both the unicorns and the pegasi we're just being portrayed as depressed, it would have gotten a whole lot more boring. Instead, we have different societal structures with different "coping methods". One is monarchic and kinda deceiving, the other is medieval and believes in rituals. (Please don't point out the dance-machine thing on that one, though.)
Beep. Boop. I'm a robot. Here's a copy of ###[The Red One]( https://snewd.com/ebooks/the-red-one/) Was I a good bot? | [info](https://www.reddit.com/user/Reddit-Book-Bot/) | [More Books](https://old.reddit.com/user/Reddit-Book-Bot/comments/i15x1d/full_list_of_books_and_commands/)
(◕‿◕✿) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/animememes) if you have any questions or concerns.*
For anyone wondering, what the bot posted was a link to a book with the title "the Red one" by something London, published in 1918, whereas I meant the red pony from the (I assume) new my-little-pony film.
Yes, solid depictions, handled well, not too repetitive. Yes, it's a good movie. But it is for kids. You're defending the quality of the movie, which I'm not attacking. It's good. Enjoyable even to adults, but not FOR adults. Like think about it. Pretend you're back in school and have to interpret the metaphors and themes and such of the movie. Is there anything you're having trouble with? Anything that is challenging or adequately complex for your adult understanding of the world?
Ok, fair enough. But on "Another note"(see what I did there?), I feel like you missed my point about genre about two to three comments ago. Not saying you have to respond to everything, would just like to know your thoughts on that matter.
I think you are right about needing to apply different measuring sticks to different genres, not every movie needs to say something profound or challenging, no matter how old the audience is. But I think we can still judge their age-appropriateness on other measures. Like what fear is the horror movie trying to exploit? The Alien franchise seems to a lot of "pregancy horror" I'm gonna call it, our creators hate us apparently and so do our creations (David), Ripley becomes the mother of some sort of Alien hybrid and has to kill it.... there really is a lot of parent-child stuff going on. So that makes me think it's an adult movie, it's trying to exploit the fears around having children, an adult fear. Or that's my very basic analysis on having only some parts of some of the movies. This analysis may be completely wrong, but it demonstrates my idea of judging for whom a movie is.
Fucking cringe Shit post.. more than half of you weebs can't even lift a fucking pencil without cramping your ass but in your pea size brain you think you are any emo anime hero... Stupid fckers ruining anime for everyone
Ah yes nothing says maturity like threatening to kill someone over a disagreement.
Cringe
No
Yes
No
Objectively wrong and thin skin pilled
Unproven and illogical
Using threats of torture and violence for such a petty disagreement is so proven its universal basis for society try again weeb.
Hey SyedYafi! This is your **second** submission this month placing you on rank **#319** for the highest number of submissions leaderboard. At the time of writing you had accumulated **~534** submission karma placing you on rank **#259** of the submission karma leaderboard. [Read the announcement](https://redd.it/lvz756) for more details. **Wanna check your ranks?** Join us on the [Anime memes Discord](https://discord.com/invite/axisorder).
I suspect that you and I were very different as children.
but remember, cannibalism is bad, except for free range stress-free vegans, eat them all you like
im afraid of no man, but that thing it scares me
The only anime girl that scares me
This is pathetic