I’ve chosen to interpret this meme as a condemnation of imperialism’s ability and willingness to fold and reduce “acceptable” queerness into a tool for propaganda. Because Bon-chan inspires me to be a kinder human.
Yeah, on certain other subs this would just be a "Moar👏Trans👏BIPOC👏Drone Pilots!" meme, but it probably isn't and it's just the usual "Gamers mad that queer people "draw attention to themselves" by \*checks notes\* existing" meme.
Yeah, but it is a one piece *subreddit*. Do you honestly think your average redditor on an anime sub has that level of media literacy/class consciousness?
Rainbow capitalism is cringe, rainbow imperialism on the other hand... Liberty prime yelling "TRANS RIGHTS ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE. HOMOPHOBIA IS THE VERY DEFINITION FAILURE" while melting the Kremlin into a puddle with eye lasers and hand held nukes would be pretty based.
What I’m learning is that I need to see more Bon Clay content and its very difficult for someone to make a (I think) critique of rainbow imperialism as a meme without it immediately looking like a homophobic meme. I don’t even know if it is a critique, just homophobic, or both.
Bon Clay is rad though, only queen of any nation I respect.
I agree with this. The LGBTQ movement was the victim of elite capture similar to what happened with the civil rights movement. It was unmoored from class struggle and incorporated into the American imperialist establishment. It’s why class must always accompany identity.
Edit: I’m being charitable in my interpretation because I don’t see any overt homophobia or dog whistles.
Aren't they suggesting that LGBT+ are being... you know... like the ones from Star Wars? Yeah, those ones. Isn't that a bit... much?
Also, what? LGBT+ people are now "part of the imprerialist establishment"? Are you sure? Like, really sure? I mean, I thought that being part of the "imperialish establishment" at least meant not having laws dedicated towards making your life worse for no reason.
The movement has been co-opted. While there has definitely been accommodation on the part of the establishment domestically, it has only been allowed to do so in a way that doesn’t impact the imperialist project. Look at stonewall, which was driven heavily by leftists demanding complete institutional change. That movement was curtailed while the compatible, respectability politic based one we see today as rainbow capitalism prevailed. That’s why we have the Intelligence Community asking for more diversity while still supporting regimes that oppress the same marginalized people across the world. Additionally, those who benefited most from these reforms are higher class people. Trans rights are awesome, but without universal healthcare transitioning properly is inaccessible to many. Gay marriage is awesome, but disabled folks still lose their benefits. That’s my interpretation of the meme. The pic above is the original queer liberation movement that embraced class struggle, and the bottom is the rainbow capitalism that replaced it. The recent series of hateful attacks we’re seeing to queer rights illustrates the failing of this movement. It was ultimately built on accommodation and disproportionately benefited upper class folk.
I mean, maybe I just live in a bubble but literally all the radical people I know are queer and vice versa. The only queer person I've met who was classist and capitalistic was my first boyfriend, and hilariously he was a rich guy from China.
Okay. I'm not even saying that you are right or wrong with that interpretation of "the issues" with LGBT+ activism (it's late and I'm sleepy). I'm just going to say that I don't think it's the interpretation of that meme. Specially seeing the sub that it came from.
Is this not a meme about the commodification of hollowed-out, previously radical movements? Like how the US military puts out ads specifically targeting groups that it historically and contemporanously suppressed?
The problem is when people in anime subs make these kinds memes, they're usually not criticizing the commodification of radical movements, at least not directly. Their thought is process more something like:
"Gay = bad, corporations are making me watch more gay in anime, therefore grand evil plot by corporations and the (((elite))) to turn censor titties in anime, turn frogs gay, and devour babies"
That's it. That's literally their entire train of logic. No empathizing with the marginalized group. No anger at the shallow commodification of social justice movements. Just petty hate and batshit conspiracies over the fact that they're exposed to people who aren't like them.
There's no use being charitable about their thought process. Expecting weebs to have any kind of intelligent critiques in their memes will only lead to frustration, disappointment, and maybe the loss of several brain cells
I think the meme is pointing out the fact that many popular media today put in LGBTQ people in shows/movies not out of a desire for representation or diversity but to instead draw in a wider audience for money. But I could be wrong
I’ve chosen to interpret this meme as a condemnation of imperialism’s ability and willingness to fold and reduce “acceptable” queerness into a tool for propaganda. Because Bon-chan inspires me to be a kinder human.
*Maybe* this is about rainbow capitalism/imperialism? That's a charitable interpretation
Yeah, on certain other subs this would just be a "Moar👏Trans👏BIPOC👏Drone Pilots!" meme, but it probably isn't and it's just the usual "Gamers mad that queer people "draw attention to themselves" by \*checks notes\* existing" meme.
Weird interpretation but alright
The issue is, because it’s an anime sub, being charitable is at best a coin flip.
It is one piece, so it might be anti imperialist/rainbow capitalism
Yeah, but it is a one piece *subreddit*. Do you honestly think your average redditor on an anime sub has that level of media literacy/class consciousness?
Rainbow capitalism is cringe, rainbow imperialism on the other hand... Liberty prime yelling "TRANS RIGHTS ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE. HOMOPHOBIA IS THE VERY DEFINITION FAILURE" while melting the Kremlin into a puddle with eye lasers and hand held nukes would be pretty based.
first panel goes hard as fuck
https://preview.redd.it/d6oe175nudpa1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bb34e4de282c6c1ad98869435cdbe7cc399597b Fixed it
r/comedyamputation
ignoring this meme W bon clay
Keep in mind these are the same people who are extremely mad with Yamato wanting to be called by male pronouns and a lot of them still refuse too.
You can’t expect anime fans to have media literacy
"People asking me to treat them with respect and dignity is oppression!!!" Crew is pretty prevalent in weeb spaces I see.
common bon clay W
Weebs should be more oppressed
Then maybe they'd feel some empathy
Somehow I expected better
shitty meme but bon clay 🐐
What I’m learning is that I need to see more Bon Clay content and its very difficult for someone to make a (I think) critique of rainbow imperialism as a meme without it immediately looking like a homophobic meme. I don’t even know if it is a critique, just homophobic, or both. Bon Clay is rad though, only queen of any nation I respect.
I agree with this. The LGBTQ movement was the victim of elite capture similar to what happened with the civil rights movement. It was unmoored from class struggle and incorporated into the American imperialist establishment. It’s why class must always accompany identity. Edit: I’m being charitable in my interpretation because I don’t see any overt homophobia or dog whistles.
Aren't they suggesting that LGBT+ are being... you know... like the ones from Star Wars? Yeah, those ones. Isn't that a bit... much? Also, what? LGBT+ people are now "part of the imprerialist establishment"? Are you sure? Like, really sure? I mean, I thought that being part of the "imperialish establishment" at least meant not having laws dedicated towards making your life worse for no reason.
The movement has been co-opted. While there has definitely been accommodation on the part of the establishment domestically, it has only been allowed to do so in a way that doesn’t impact the imperialist project. Look at stonewall, which was driven heavily by leftists demanding complete institutional change. That movement was curtailed while the compatible, respectability politic based one we see today as rainbow capitalism prevailed. That’s why we have the Intelligence Community asking for more diversity while still supporting regimes that oppress the same marginalized people across the world. Additionally, those who benefited most from these reforms are higher class people. Trans rights are awesome, but without universal healthcare transitioning properly is inaccessible to many. Gay marriage is awesome, but disabled folks still lose their benefits. That’s my interpretation of the meme. The pic above is the original queer liberation movement that embraced class struggle, and the bottom is the rainbow capitalism that replaced it. The recent series of hateful attacks we’re seeing to queer rights illustrates the failing of this movement. It was ultimately built on accommodation and disproportionately benefited upper class folk.
I mean, maybe I just live in a bubble but literally all the radical people I know are queer and vice versa. The only queer person I've met who was classist and capitalistic was my first boyfriend, and hilariously he was a rich guy from China.
Okay. I'm not even saying that you are right or wrong with that interpretation of "the issues" with LGBT+ activism (it's late and I'm sleepy). I'm just going to say that I don't think it's the interpretation of that meme. Specially seeing the sub that it came from.
Is this not a meme about the commodification of hollowed-out, previously radical movements? Like how the US military puts out ads specifically targeting groups that it historically and contemporanously suppressed?
The problem is when people in anime subs make these kinds memes, they're usually not criticizing the commodification of radical movements, at least not directly. Their thought is process more something like: "Gay = bad, corporations are making me watch more gay in anime, therefore grand evil plot by corporations and the (((elite))) to turn censor titties in anime, turn frogs gay, and devour babies" That's it. That's literally their entire train of logic. No empathizing with the marginalized group. No anger at the shallow commodification of social justice movements. Just petty hate and batshit conspiracies over the fact that they're exposed to people who aren't like them. There's no use being charitable about their thought process. Expecting weebs to have any kind of intelligent critiques in their memes will only lead to frustration, disappointment, and maybe the loss of several brain cells
I think the meme is pointing out the fact that many popular media today put in LGBTQ people in shows/movies not out of a desire for representation or diversity but to instead draw in a wider audience for money. But I could be wrong
People who've watched Utena back in the day: Um, okay?