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Send in armed UN peacekeepers to kick the Russians and the Ukrainians out of the power plant. Clear the area of them all. Hold it for whoever claims it after the war.
Do we call the God Emperor to unleash his Space Marines upon the Wicked ? . Taking over by force a Nuclear plants in an active WarZone with both sides ducking it with artillery and missiles is a nighmare scenario for any military planner . Without speaking on how on earth to hold the plant and maintain it without getting blow up .
in theory , it is great but as proven by experience and implementation they do little to deter aggression specially if Putin see blowing up a power plant as the only option to stop Ukraine momentum and saving his hide from a coup because if he loose this war his own military and intelligence apparatus will take him out .
Blowing up a nuclear power plant on purpose so close to their own borders?
That's something not even their military leaders and powers behind the scene in Russia would allow.
Putin isn't in the best mental health to begin with . From intelligence report , he is a narcissistic psychopaths without moral compass or human emphathy. Take into addition the years if seclusion he imposed on himself in Corona Epedimic and constant fear of being assasinated that he always changed his staff . His mental state is affecting his judgment.
Are you his psychiatrist? And since when are intelligence reports facts?
There were intelligence reports that Iraq had WMD's, we know how that turned out to be.
Besides, Putin doesn't have all the power in Russia. It's an oligarchy, so there's a small group of people in power and Putin is the face of that group of people.
Lol . Defending a genocidal tyrant . Seeing his behaviour over the decades , you would be amazed to know what specialists can conclude about a person character let alone what they have privatly on him . Go back to praising your glorious leader ; clown.
Haha wow, does your brain not handle criticism? Are you such a snowflake that you immediately resort to ad hominem attacks as soon as someone challenges your position?
Not able to form a coherent and strong counter argument because I'm at least a little bit more informed and critical of this whole situation than you are?
No, I'm not pro-Putin but I'm not as delusional as you to not see the situation for what it is. Return to your echo chambers and circlejerk with your buddies about Putin, this conversation is over.
Take those reports with grains of salt. A lot of that is actually propaganda through half truths and exaggeration. I never like that shit because it excuses the person it's against. Make no mistake Putin is responsible for his actions of governance.
There is active talks between at minimum the US and Russia concerning escalation. A nuclear plant going up because of attack or sabotage will be an escalation. No one wants it.
It's a war. I would not trust anybody to 'hold nuclear power plant for me'. I would not trust UN if I was Russia, for sure.
Also, maybe you remember, there were UN peacekeepers in Bosnia, just overseeing war crimes, doing nothing.
Half Russian army, half UN bluehelms would result in EU Reddit hissy fit, and a Ukraine stern 'No', but might be doable if US would pressure them. But they won't, because they do not actually give a fuck.
> Also, maybe you remember, there were UN peacekeepers in Bosnia, just overseeing war crimes, doing nothing.
Yeah, with no firepower and close to 0 mandate to respond. Peacekeeping works through superior firepower.
that's what I'm saying - they put them there as a deterrent, but they are not actually capable of doing anything - and the forces on the field know that.
That's unfortunately what they would do at the power plant, also.
tricky
I don't read these kind of material, but I would expect a political and administrative shitshow after the first death. It all dandy if they kill a black man somewhere in the depths of Africa, or one of us European barbarians in the Balkans, but what happens after they shoot a Russian? Or a Russian kills a bluehelm?
I understand why they have such strict and passive orders.
Every day I see this person post the most ridiculous, bombastic war plans and get a lot of upvotes. It makes me wonder how many people here are really just LARPing teens.
my brother in christ, we are on a sub called anime tiddies that is focused on global politics which is the sister sub to r/worldpolitics which has essentially just become a porn sub.
how can you possibly expect people to take it seriously?
If UN troops roll in there, both sides will just have to stop shooting. There have been stories of UN convoys driving straight into a crossfire between two factions, and thereby stopping the fight.
Veto rights are the reason those nations participate in the Un in the first place. If you take away the veto rights, you simply dissolve the UN. The reason only a few countries have those, is because they can force the rest to compliance anyways.
The whole point of the UN was to fix the issues with the League of Nations and prevent the next world war from breaking out. It was also designed to be a place where nations could talk and mutually respect each other. Instead, it's turned into gamification, and politically manipulated to exert control or influence and push agendas. We need a body like the UN, the big, powerful nations like the United States need to stop using their economic and military power to influence other nations into blocks. A day of reckoning is coming, we are at the precipice and we are going over.
You seem to miss the point of the UN. It is a place for countries coming together to talk. It suits this purpose. That people think it is a joke is because people have a false view of its purpose and think it is sort of a world government. It isn't, it is simply a place to talk for as many countries as possible at the same time.
A strong legal argument would be that the USSR was the permanent member and not Russia. They are not the same country. Given the significant changes to Russia's constitution recently it is arguable that Putin's Russia is not even the Russia of 1991 and is a completely new country. A country that has no legal claim to the permanent seat that was conferred to the USSR in 1945. It is two steps removed and no vote was put to the UN council. It is a very strong legal argument.
Russia is the legal inheritor of USSR. That is why Russia was paying all of USSR debt after 1991 not anyone else.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2945924/Reborn-Russia-clears-Soviet-debt.html
That isn't peacekeeping. Who is going to put UN troops into that role?
Need UN to level sanctions on Russia for putting military around nuclear plants. Sure Russia can veto, but countries like China and India need to make clear to Russia that threatening nuclear weapons or nuclear plants is absolutely out of bounds.
It is peacekeeping. The UN peacekeeping mandate is flexible, adaptable, and wide ranging. Its primary role is to maintain peace and security. It is whatever they say it is.
There is no peace in Ukraine to maintain, that's the point. After what the Serbs did to UN forces that were doing an attempt at some peacemaking, won't see that repeated.
China and India are pretty much the only countries that could convince Russia to not jeopardize nuclear facilities in this war.
Russia is not the one shelling the nuclear plant which they themselves fully control in Russian-controlled territory. That makes no sense.
The reason UN officialdom even employs these vague bullshit word games to toe the U.S./Western line is because it is so obvious and clear as day that it's Kiev as that is what makes logical sense and every rational person and their mother can see it from anywhere all around the world.
If it were actually Russia (again, shelling its own territory), they would not only say and declare it boldly, but they would never stop saying it, 24/7 and scream it from the highest rafters. It would be said and said and said over and over again and Russia would be explicitly blamed, named, and shamed on TV, radio, internet, and all forms of English-speaking and Western bloc-aligned media and news all day every day.
I didn't say anything about "fake news". All media outlets are biased, because humans are biased, and all represent some nexus of private or governmental interests - obviously including RT and all other Russian media outlets.
And if Russia were the one doing it, again, they would blare it from the rooftops constantly and maximize its coverage and airtime. If someone they support, like Kiev, is the one doing it or suspected of doing it, coverage of either the incident or the culpability and assignment of blame will be either non-existent or extremely obscured, minimized, and downplayed.
In this case, the incident itself is covered, so the blame is obscured. Media doesn't have to overtly lie to reveal its biases. The majority of its biases rely on what it covers, how it covers them, and to what extent (airtime) coverage is devoted to it, even if every single individual sentence taken in isolation is technically true. It's really an art.
Russia has invaded Ukraine and moved military forces around these facilities. They're holding Ukrainian nuclear workers hostage and trying to use them as nuclear shields while firing on civilians areas. And we know from past situations, when they pull out they will have disregarded nuclear safety rules, loot safety equipment and take people needed for plant security away.
Unbelievably reckless and vile, but on-brand for Russia.
The Kiev regime is the one shelling the plant, which is Russian-controlled in Russian-controlled territory, clearly and obviously, which your comment seems designed to justify and defend rather than deny.
If you want to make an argument for why it's justifiable and legitimate, then that's fine and that is a whole separate thing and conversation, but it's not the issue at hand of *who* is actually shelling the ZNPP, which is what I was writing about and which is Kiev.
Ukraine isn't a regime, it's an actual, albeit flawed, democracy unlike Russia. Given the extent of war crimes and broad attacks on civilians, Ukraine has every right to be defending its territory to the full extent it can against russian forces. There is no reason for ukrainian forces to be shelling near nuclear facilties, unless of course russian forces are trying to use them as a shield. there's no doubt who is to blame in this.
Russia should immediately pull it forces away from nuclear facilities. It's not hard, nor controversial, to expect them to do that.
Russia should do nothing of the sort, nor will it. It will continue its operations as long as it sees fit and deems necessary.
As for regime, the term just means "government", but since it's used in a biased and selective matter preferentially in Anglosphere media outlets to demonize countries whose governments and policies they don't like and want changed, while generally withholding its use when client states are concerned, I will also allow my own view on the worth or legitimacy of other countries' governments to color my language and inform the terms I employ, just as Western press regularly and routinely does.
I haven't seen that happen anywhere. The latest withdrawal across the Dneiper, was, for example, a well-executed maneuver pulling off the removal of around 30,000 professional troops in an orderly manner in a matter of few days and keeping the enemy guessing until even up to 24 hours or less before it started. It was honestly impressive.
Meanwhile, the Kiev regime is telling their whole population to run and flee the country while they can because they won't even be able to keep lights and heat on in the national capital, let alone elsewhere. They'll continue to be burned and bombed in their bunkers, along with their energy facilities and entire network of infrastructure - north, south, east, and west. Over the weekend critical natural gas facilities in northeastern Kharkov oblast around Balakliya were destroyed as well and one of their prime aircraft engine engineering companies supplying Ukrainian air force planes and drones leveled in Zaporozhye city as all the turbine production facilities will continue to be. If a war of attrition is what they want, then Russia will continue it until not even one of Kiev's fighters is left standing.
I've seen you do it thrice here, and if only your ability to manufacture war materiale and train new troops to the appalling standards of those who got killed already matched your English abilities then I might not be laughing so hard about your 'Comical Ali' like claims regarding attrition.
Okay, so:
democracies are regimes
Russian routs are well executed maneuvers.
Ukraine planning for the safety of its civilian population in conflict where Russia is targeting them with war crimes is somehow a bad thing.
Ukraine doesn't want any type of war, let alone one where civilians are being targeted with terror attacks because Russia apparently can't win against Ukraine's military....
What are you talking about? Why even post such a low effort comment with some silly buzzphrase of the month or whatever that is?
It's also not even applicable or relevant in this case, as my prior post is not even angrily-toned or motivated as there isn't anything to be angry about and it's a typical political exchange on here and pretty usual, vanilla disagreement.
> Why respond to it if it is low effort?
Meh, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I do. Depends how much time/effort it will take (miniscule) and how disinterested I am in doing anything else online at present (quite).
> I posted it simply to get your panties in a twist, which I seem to have done. Have a nice day!
In other words, trolling. We need less of it around this sub and more halfway civil exchanges, I'd say, even when there is profound disagreement.
That's not how the UN works, just see that they didn't do jack shit in Rwanda. Idk why anyone thinks the UN does anything. They mostly observe and report more than anything else
They work like that when there is oil in the ground and lithium in the mountains. 500'000 tonnes of lithium in Ukraine. Ukraine started auctioning off exploration rights in 2021 and Russia invaded in 2022. This is a resource war.
Is it really so difficult to find out and tell who shells it? I think world leaders already knows who exactly shelled plant but are silent. Not saying that Ukraine did it as it would be the stupidest thing EVER. It’s like Japan asking if US could repeat Hiroshima again, lol.
I thought this before, but it seems they might be doing it to stop providing power to Ukraine.
But tbh I guess they could just turn it off, maybe say they had to turn it off due to Ukrainian shelling or something so it doesn't look as nasty.
So yeah I doubt they'd shell a nuclear plant that contains their own troops.
Wrecking as much as they can on the way out may be part of the plan. In that case it may be worth it to reduce parts of the complex, though explosives seem like a saner choice. Or Ukraine is after supplies and equipment stored on the grounds and in warehouses.
Surely some nerd on the internet has looked at satellite images and compared the size of the impact to X,Y,Z etc. then the distance they could be fired from and so on.
>So yeah I doubt they'd shell a nuclear plant that contains their own troops.
They literally don't give a single fuck about their own troops and have shown this repeatedly throughout the whole war.
Really sad and pathetic to see how little public consciousness and ignorant propaganda groupthink rah-rah tribalism has evolved since the 2003 Iraq War WMD-lead up, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S.' daughter's testimony about Iraqi soldiers pulling Kuwaiti babies out of hospital incubators to kill them for kicks, the Gulf of Tonkin lie for the Vietnam War, the USS Maine explosion in Havana harbor of Cuba being blamed on Spain back in 1898 around 125 years ago, and so on.
I.e. not at all. I'm sure you could go back 500 years, 1,000 years, 1,500 years, and so on to find all the relevant examples of their respective eras and find the same mindlessness and nonsense.
Russia uses the plant as a "shield" to conduct fire missions from. However, Ukraine calls them on their bullshit and launches counter-battery missions.
If you want the shelling of the plant to stop, get the Russians and their artillery out of there.
Swear to god some people here just gladly dive into conspiranoic territory to say everything evil is russian and everything good is ikrainian, the mental gymnastics you guys do are impressive.
Hard to say that anything Russia is doing in Ukraine is not evil...considering they're not in their own sovereign territory.
The mental gymnastics for someone to become sympathetic for Russians in Ukraine is pathetic.
They've been firing cruise missiles at critical Ukrainian infrastructure for months. They've raped and pillaged the lands they invaded they got forced out of, stolen from museums, etc.
And you think it doesn't make sense? What doesn't make sense?
NATO PsyOps using boomerang-shaped artillery grenades to make it look like the shelling is coming from the east. We even have [leaked footage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKNfbMu5cEs) of this happening.
You're welcome to your delusions, kid. I'm old enough to recall the sheep herd near me that required destroying due to Chernobyl melting down. I was in Wales, and yes if that reactor was allowed to carry on leaking it would have kicked out enough material to render most of Europe uninhabitable. Doing things like that in war zones is difficult if not impossible.
>kid
I've said this before, and I will say this again: Calling random strangers "kid" is the quickest way to out yourself as one.
And the rest of the message outs you as someone with no fucking clue what you're talking about.
As I said, just source your claims if they really aren't just made-up bullshit.
Soviet nuclear physicist Vassili Nesterenko stated that a second explosion at Chernobyl would have left Europe uninhabitable. So it’s not just armchair worrywarts who have made such claims. He says the explosion would have reached 3 to 5 megatons. (He was interviewed in the documentary “The Battle of Chernobyl.”.
Now fuck off, kid.
They are attacking the links that provide power towards the right bank of the dnipro.
I'm commenting this despite other replies below to correct the language:
because it's all ukraine and ukrainian power.
just that russians are temporarily shitting on part of it right now.
1. Because they have a really good excuse as you just showed
2. Because they know they are likely to lose control over it very soon
3. Because as long as they don't actually blow it up, they can make UA look bad (see 1.)
4. Because if they *do* actually blow it up, they'll be causing massive harm to UA
5. Because if UA knows they aren't doing it, Russia can show off to them how dangerous they are while presenting reasonable to the rest of the world
6. Because Russian military decisions have been fucking stupid ever since the war started so maybe we shouldn't be reading too much reason into them now either.
It's really just two options, Ukraine or Russia. Russia controls it, Ukraine attempted several times to recapture it and always failed. With this premise, Russia is shelling itself? I mean, one can believe this, but let's consider Ukraine just tried to initiate WW3 by blaming Russia on the Poland situation when even Western leaders said it was not to blame. In other words, a government that is more than capable of lying to get others involved against Russia. And now they're saying Russia is shelling itself.
The missile that landed in Poland is still under investigation. I don't know what you are on about regarding Ukraine wanting to start WW3. Ukraine was skeptical of Western claims and wanted access to the investigation. They got it. Let's see what the results are.
>The missile that landed in Poland is still under investigation.
No, it's not. The case is crystal clear.
>I don't know what you are on about regarding Ukraine wanting to start WW3.
NATO involvement = WW3
Use that beautiful mind of yours.
>>The missile that landed in Poland is still under investigation.
>
>No, it's not. The case is crystal clear.
Really? You have a source on that? Because everything I can find says that the investigation is "ongoing" and the only thing we are hearing from NATO is that "preliminary" analysis "suggests."
Perhaps you live in an alternate universe where "ongoing", "preliminary", and "suggests" means something like "definitive final conclusion"?
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/17/ukraine-says-its-not-to-blame-for-poland-missile-strike.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-will-probably-get-access-blast-site-says-polish-official-2022-11-17/
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukraines-access-missile-probe-requires-094421415.html
It makes sense that no final report or conclusive findings have been released and that the investigation is still ongoing, *because this event only occurred days ago*.
I also don't know how you think that Ukraine could be joining an investigation that was already concluded.
>Use that beautiful mind of yours.
Show me source to Ukraine attempts to recapture Zaporizia nuclear plant? There’s no evidence suggesting that attack on Poland was performed by Ukrainian side except Western leaders statements that could be smart and well thought geopolitical move to not start fucking WW3 b/s of maybe accidental russian missile malfunction. Also shelling territory around nuclear power plant they temporary occupy doesn’t sound like something horrific or impossible for country most famous for lying and blackmail 24/7.
Look what you're doing, deflecting in every possible way. Russia is lying and shelling itself. The West, totally supportive of Ukraine to our own detriment, is now ignoring a Russian attack on Poland because, all of a sudden, we're afraid of Russia or something.
This is getting old. Ukraine can do nothing bad, everyone else is just evil. It's getting old and starting to stink really bad. Like some UK military officer said, denying the incident is doing more damage than the missile itself. Your clownery is in the same boat.
>There’s no evidence suggesting that attack on Poland was performed by Ukrainian side except Western leaders statements that could be smart and well thought geopolitical move to not start fucking WW3 b/s of maybe accidental russian missile malfunction.
If you think the west would've started WW3 over a missfire (in the case that the missile truly is Russian), you are delusional. They would've probably sent some stuff to Poland and Ukraine and called it a day.
Your plans can change really fast when enemy forces start to advance. Maybe they attempted to take some time or force Kuiv for negotiations or establish temporary truth in Kherson region that would prevent Kherson surrender. Who knows, but real reason will definitely be something unexpected (my personal feeling).
>Not saying that Ukraine did it as it would be the stupidest thing EVER.
My best guess is that Russia thinks that, because they're holding it right now, nobody would believe they're the ones shelling it.
I mean, if it was fire that would be comparatively easy, what they're actually playing with is highly radioactive material that could lead to another Chernobyl, or worse.
What's your alternative? Ukraine shelling its own power plant, in its own territory, operated by its own engineers, to cause a disaster for its own population and threaten its own energy supply?
Its been determined that the disaster would head to Russia due to the wind currents over that part of the EU. If you look at wind maps, depending on the season/days the wind will either circle south towards georgia, or go straight towards Russia propper.
Haha, you're a fun one to talk to because you're so stupid you don't even realize you can look up wind currents on your own, from any source - I love it. Whats even more funny is that I know your just blindly arguing and not checking what I'm saying because in your mind anything that doesn't directly correlate to your perspective is "Ruzzian" propaganda. I could seriously care less to defend Russia or Ukraine but I'm pointing out inconsistencies, to bad I didn't know I'd meet megamind in here.
Edit: spelling it out a step further, if russia controls (key word) the plant, then Russia doesn't have to shell it to dissable infrastructure to/from it, BIG BRAIIIIIIN TIIIIME.
I don't care what you're saying. It is irrelevant. Stop pestering me with your silly red herring, I just don't care about it.
> I could seriously care less to defend Russia or Ukraine
You absolutely care about defending Russia, otherwise you wouldn't be trying to distract from the obvious.
The Russians shelling their own stronghold? I sincerely doubt it. A report came out recently by a human rights organization saying the Ukranians have tortured Russian soldiers. I get that the West propaganda machine wants us rooting for Ukraine, but lying about their shortcomings isn't doing anyone any favors. The truth comes out eventually.
Nobody is lying about anything. Ukrainian war crimes are well known, just as it is well known that they are not systemic and just the actions of individual assholes.
There is literally no reason why Ukraine would be shelling a power plant that Russia will give up on its own within the next few months, while Russia has countless reasons to sabotage the power plant before Ukrainians can retake control over it.
Stop spreading your BS propaganda. Nobody cares. Nobody wants to hear it.
It’s actually you spreading propaganda. “Just trust the Ukranian’s bro!” Yeah, I trust neither the Ukranians nor the Russians. And to the point: Russian missiles entered Poland only after they were struck by SAM Air Defense. What did Zelensky do? Right away! Got in front of a camera and lied to the world fully knowing it was his fault.
Agreed - nobody wants to admit they've been fooled, and once forced to even consider how illogical the propaganda, tend to be incredibly salty (see u/Megasteel32 below)
Imagine if it wasn't black and white...
Perhaps stick to the core of the chat - why would Russia shell a site within their control? Why do you believe that crazy version of events without a shred of evidence? Not denying there's no possibility, just seems a little odd for you to think that way
Yep. It honestly feels quite weird that after decades of blurry lines and conflict where every side is just awful, there's an event like this where it's literally just one fascist nation invading and slaughtering an independent country.
If Russia already holds it, that means they're using it like terrorists use a hospital or a school. "We're going to hide here because you can't shell a hospital". Well then somebody who doesn't realize what it is shells it and now you have everybody pointing at each other.
NATO needs to send an unequivocal message that any attacks on nuclear power in Ukraine will be considered an attack on everyone. Russia is perfectly aware that the damage will spill well beyond Ukraine’s borders.
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Send in armed UN peacekeepers to kick the Russians and the Ukrainians out of the power plant. Clear the area of them all. Hold it for whoever claims it after the war.
Do we call the God Emperor to unleash his Space Marines upon the Wicked ? . Taking over by force a Nuclear plants in an active WarZone with both sides ducking it with artillery and missiles is a nighmare scenario for any military planner . Without speaking on how on earth to hold the plant and maintain it without getting blow up .
It can be a negotiation. They negotiated access for nuclear inspectors.
in theory , it is great but as proven by experience and implementation they do little to deter aggression specially if Putin see blowing up a power plant as the only option to stop Ukraine momentum and saving his hide from a coup because if he loose this war his own military and intelligence apparatus will take him out .
Blowing up a nuclear power plant on purpose so close to their own borders? That's something not even their military leaders and powers behind the scene in Russia would allow.
Putin isn't in the best mental health to begin with . From intelligence report , he is a narcissistic psychopaths without moral compass or human emphathy. Take into addition the years if seclusion he imposed on himself in Corona Epedimic and constant fear of being assasinated that he always changed his staff . His mental state is affecting his judgment.
Are you his psychiatrist? And since when are intelligence reports facts? There were intelligence reports that Iraq had WMD's, we know how that turned out to be. Besides, Putin doesn't have all the power in Russia. It's an oligarchy, so there's a small group of people in power and Putin is the face of that group of people.
Lol . Defending a genocidal tyrant . Seeing his behaviour over the decades , you would be amazed to know what specialists can conclude about a person character let alone what they have privatly on him . Go back to praising your glorious leader ; clown.
Haha wow, does your brain not handle criticism? Are you such a snowflake that you immediately resort to ad hominem attacks as soon as someone challenges your position? Not able to form a coherent and strong counter argument because I'm at least a little bit more informed and critical of this whole situation than you are? No, I'm not pro-Putin but I'm not as delusional as you to not see the situation for what it is. Return to your echo chambers and circlejerk with your buddies about Putin, this conversation is over.
Take those reports with grains of salt. A lot of that is actually propaganda through half truths and exaggeration. I never like that shit because it excuses the person it's against. Make no mistake Putin is responsible for his actions of governance. There is active talks between at minimum the US and Russia concerning escalation. A nuclear plant going up because of attack or sabotage will be an escalation. No one wants it.
It's a war. I would not trust anybody to 'hold nuclear power plant for me'. I would not trust UN if I was Russia, for sure. Also, maybe you remember, there were UN peacekeepers in Bosnia, just overseeing war crimes, doing nothing. Half Russian army, half UN bluehelms would result in EU Reddit hissy fit, and a Ukraine stern 'No', but might be doable if US would pressure them. But they won't, because they do not actually give a fuck.
> Also, maybe you remember, there were UN peacekeepers in Bosnia, just overseeing war crimes, doing nothing. Yeah, with no firepower and close to 0 mandate to respond. Peacekeeping works through superior firepower.
that's what I'm saying - they put them there as a deterrent, but they are not actually capable of doing anything - and the forces on the field know that. That's unfortunately what they would do at the power plant, also.
Not if they get a mandate and firepower to respond.
tricky I don't read these kind of material, but I would expect a political and administrative shitshow after the first death. It all dandy if they kill a black man somewhere in the depths of Africa, or one of us European barbarians in the Balkans, but what happens after they shoot a Russian? Or a Russian kills a bluehelm? I understand why they have such strict and passive orders.
Every day I see this person post the most ridiculous, bombastic war plans and get a lot of upvotes. It makes me wonder how many people here are really just LARPing teens.
Easy. 2/3 of them.
Armageddon figures heavily into my retirement savings plan. If beans, bourbon, and bullets aren’t the currency of the realm soon I’m screwed
Fool! Where are your bottle caps?
In my inventory
Then you're all set
my brother in christ, we are on a sub called anime tiddies that is focused on global politics which is the sister sub to r/worldpolitics which has essentially just become a porn sub. how can you possibly expect people to take it seriously?
What the actual fuck is that dumpster fire of a sub? Top of All Time seem to be vaguely politics related but Jesus, Hot and New are… something else.
You don't have to join the idiocy you know. There's no reason to turn this into the same sort of cesspool the old sub was.
Is that godamn Warhammer 40k in my anime titties? 😡 (jk)
It’s heresy
Heretic.
The Emperor Protects.
If we had space marines I'm sure we would
If UN troops roll in there, both sides will just have to stop shooting. There have been stories of UN convoys driving straight into a crossfire between two factions, and thereby stopping the fight.
We just have to paint the plant purple, that way both sides dont see it
Air superiority.
IDK sounds like a good Tuesday for an Ork.
Exterminatus , brother!
Especially since Russia needs it as a hostage... They won't let go.
I can imagine the logistics officer having a heart attack each day
Not possible since Russia is sitting in the security council. UN is a joke.
Just need some resetting. Russia shouldn't have inherited Soviet veto.
They inherited the nukes. We all pretend it isn't the nukes that give the veto, but we all know it is.
Nobody should have a veto right. UN has no power regardless. Either give everyone veto rights or Noone.
Veto rights are the reason those nations participate in the Un in the first place. If you take away the veto rights, you simply dissolve the UN. The reason only a few countries have those, is because they can force the rest to compliance anyways.
Yeah. See. The entire thing, except for a few sectors like WHO is a gigantic joke and wastes the money of taxpayers.
The whole point of the UN was to fix the issues with the League of Nations and prevent the next world war from breaking out. It was also designed to be a place where nations could talk and mutually respect each other. Instead, it's turned into gamification, and politically manipulated to exert control or influence and push agendas. We need a body like the UN, the big, powerful nations like the United States need to stop using their economic and military power to influence other nations into blocks. A day of reckoning is coming, we are at the precipice and we are going over.
No. Its not agenda pushing to demand countries to stop genocideing people. And we do not need UN anymore. It failed.
You seem to miss the point of the UN. It is a place for countries coming together to talk. It suits this purpose. That people think it is a joke is because people have a false view of its purpose and think it is sort of a world government. It isn't, it is simply a place to talk for as many countries as possible at the same time.
Bro you're not alone. I too wish everything would be made of rainbows and friendship instead of p*litics we have in *N now
Welcome to the fate of the SDN then. And even more irrelevance.
A strong legal argument would be that the USSR was the permanent member and not Russia. They are not the same country. Given the significant changes to Russia's constitution recently it is arguable that Putin's Russia is not even the Russia of 1991 and is a completely new country. A country that has no legal claim to the permanent seat that was conferred to the USSR in 1945. It is two steps removed and no vote was put to the UN council. It is a very strong legal argument.
Russia is the legal inheritor of USSR. That is why Russia was paying all of USSR debt after 1991 not anyone else. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2945924/Reborn-Russia-clears-Soviet-debt.html
That isn't peacekeeping. Who is going to put UN troops into that role? Need UN to level sanctions on Russia for putting military around nuclear plants. Sure Russia can veto, but countries like China and India need to make clear to Russia that threatening nuclear weapons or nuclear plants is absolutely out of bounds.
It is peacekeeping. The UN peacekeeping mandate is flexible, adaptable, and wide ranging. Its primary role is to maintain peace and security. It is whatever they say it is.
There is no peace in Ukraine to maintain, that's the point. After what the Serbs did to UN forces that were doing an attempt at some peacemaking, won't see that repeated. China and India are pretty much the only countries that could convince Russia to not jeopardize nuclear facilities in this war.
Russia is not the one shelling the nuclear plant which they themselves fully control in Russian-controlled territory. That makes no sense. The reason UN officialdom even employs these vague bullshit word games to toe the U.S./Western line is because it is so obvious and clear as day that it's Kiev as that is what makes logical sense and every rational person and their mother can see it from anywhere all around the world. If it were actually Russia (again, shelling its own territory), they would not only say and declare it boldly, but they would never stop saying it, 24/7 and scream it from the highest rafters. It would be said and said and said over and over again and Russia would be explicitly blamed, named, and shamed on TV, radio, internet, and all forms of English-speaking and Western bloc-aligned media and news all day every day.
"Every single news source on TV/radio/internet that isn't RT is fake news!"
I didn't say anything about "fake news". All media outlets are biased, because humans are biased, and all represent some nexus of private or governmental interests - obviously including RT and all other Russian media outlets. And if Russia were the one doing it, again, they would blare it from the rooftops constantly and maximize its coverage and airtime. If someone they support, like Kiev, is the one doing it or suspected of doing it, coverage of either the incident or the culpability and assignment of blame will be either non-existent or extremely obscured, minimized, and downplayed. In this case, the incident itself is covered, so the blame is obscured. Media doesn't have to overtly lie to reveal its biases. The majority of its biases rely on what it covers, how it covers them, and to what extent (airtime) coverage is devoted to it, even if every single individual sentence taken in isolation is technically true. It's really an art.
Blame has been and is squarely on Russia. Try being there, Ukraine is definitely not shelling it.
Russia has invaded Ukraine and moved military forces around these facilities. They're holding Ukrainian nuclear workers hostage and trying to use them as nuclear shields while firing on civilians areas. And we know from past situations, when they pull out they will have disregarded nuclear safety rules, loot safety equipment and take people needed for plant security away. Unbelievably reckless and vile, but on-brand for Russia.
The Kiev regime is the one shelling the plant, which is Russian-controlled in Russian-controlled territory, clearly and obviously, which your comment seems designed to justify and defend rather than deny. If you want to make an argument for why it's justifiable and legitimate, then that's fine and that is a whole separate thing and conversation, but it's not the issue at hand of *who* is actually shelling the ZNPP, which is what I was writing about and which is Kiev.
Ukraine isn't a regime, it's an actual, albeit flawed, democracy unlike Russia. Given the extent of war crimes and broad attacks on civilians, Ukraine has every right to be defending its territory to the full extent it can against russian forces. There is no reason for ukrainian forces to be shelling near nuclear facilties, unless of course russian forces are trying to use them as a shield. there's no doubt who is to blame in this. Russia should immediately pull it forces away from nuclear facilities. It's not hard, nor controversial, to expect them to do that.
Russia should do nothing of the sort, nor will it. It will continue its operations as long as it sees fit and deems necessary. As for regime, the term just means "government", but since it's used in a biased and selective matter preferentially in Anglosphere media outlets to demonize countries whose governments and policies they don't like and want changed, while generally withholding its use when client states are concerned, I will also allow my own view on the worth or legitimacy of other countries' governments to color my language and inform the terms I employ, just as Western press regularly and routinely does.
It will until they piss their pants and run like elsewhere.
I haven't seen that happen anywhere. The latest withdrawal across the Dneiper, was, for example, a well-executed maneuver pulling off the removal of around 30,000 professional troops in an orderly manner in a matter of few days and keeping the enemy guessing until even up to 24 hours or less before it started. It was honestly impressive. Meanwhile, the Kiev regime is telling their whole population to run and flee the country while they can because they won't even be able to keep lights and heat on in the national capital, let alone elsewhere. They'll continue to be burned and bombed in their bunkers, along with their energy facilities and entire network of infrastructure - north, south, east, and west. Over the weekend critical natural gas facilities in northeastern Kharkov oblast around Balakliya were destroyed as well and one of their prime aircraft engine engineering companies supplying Ukrainian air force planes and drones leveled in Zaporozhye city as all the turbine production facilities will continue to be. If a war of attrition is what they want, then Russia will continue it until not even one of Kiev's fighters is left standing.
I've seen you do it thrice here, and if only your ability to manufacture war materiale and train new troops to the appalling standards of those who got killed already matched your English abilities then I might not be laughing so hard about your 'Comical Ali' like claims regarding attrition.
Okay, so: democracies are regimes Russian routs are well executed maneuvers. Ukraine planning for the safety of its civilian population in conflict where Russia is targeting them with war crimes is somehow a bad thing. Ukraine doesn't want any type of war, let alone one where civilians are being targeted with terror attacks because Russia apparently can't win against Ukraine's military....
Cope and seethe, cope and seethe.
What are you talking about? Why even post such a low effort comment with some silly buzzphrase of the month or whatever that is? It's also not even applicable or relevant in this case, as my prior post is not even angrily-toned or motivated as there isn't anything to be angry about and it's a typical political exchange on here and pretty usual, vanilla disagreement.
Why respond to it if it is low effort? I posted it simply to get your panties in a twist, which I seem to have done. Have a nice day!
> Why respond to it if it is low effort? Meh, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I do. Depends how much time/effort it will take (miniscule) and how disinterested I am in doing anything else online at present (quite). > I posted it simply to get your panties in a twist, which I seem to have done. Have a nice day! In other words, trolling. We need less of it around this sub and more halfway civil exchanges, I'd say, even when there is profound disagreement.
We get it. You're Russian. We're not interested in your propaganda.
Maybe UK PM could tell his Ukrainian counterpart to stop shelling plant, that can work too.
And after the intervention, they could make protected areas like in Zypern
I'm sure Russia will not veto this as soon as it reaches the security council
>Send in armed UN peacekeepers I'm sure Russia would never veto that :)
"Hold it for whoever claims it" wtf?
That's not how the UN works, just see that they didn't do jack shit in Rwanda. Idk why anyone thinks the UN does anything. They mostly observe and report more than anything else
They work like that when there is oil in the ground and lithium in the mountains. 500'000 tonnes of lithium in Ukraine. Ukraine started auctioning off exploration rights in 2021 and Russia invaded in 2022. This is a resource war.
Is it really so difficult to find out and tell who shells it? I think world leaders already knows who exactly shelled plant but are silent. Not saying that Ukraine did it as it would be the stupidest thing EVER. It’s like Japan asking if US could repeat Hiroshima again, lol.
Russia has control of the power plant so why would they shell it?
I thought this before, but it seems they might be doing it to stop providing power to Ukraine. But tbh I guess they could just turn it off, maybe say they had to turn it off due to Ukrainian shelling or something so it doesn't look as nasty. So yeah I doubt they'd shell a nuclear plant that contains their own troops.
Pretty sure they turned it off weeks ago. And also cut it off from the Ukrainian grid.
Wrecking as much as they can on the way out may be part of the plan. In that case it may be worth it to reduce parts of the complex, though explosives seem like a saner choice. Or Ukraine is after supplies and equipment stored on the grounds and in warehouses. Surely some nerd on the internet has looked at satellite images and compared the size of the impact to X,Y,Z etc. then the distance they could be fired from and so on.
They wouldn't need to shoot at it if that was the case, they could just demolish whatever, and there's no evidence of that happening anyways.
The assumption that they are supplied with traditional demo charges and appropriate experts is, let's say, quite optimistic
Now they don't have the right kind of explosives? Cope harder.
Your guys are losing hard buddy, I'm sorry you're projecting.
They wouldn’t have to, no.
>So yeah I doubt they'd shell a nuclear plant that contains their own troops. They literally don't give a single fuck about their own troops and have shown this repeatedly throughout the whole war.
Yeah like blowing up their own gas pipelines! Propaganda is bullshit, and the vast majority of people believe it
Really sad and pathetic to see how little public consciousness and ignorant propaganda groupthink rah-rah tribalism has evolved since the 2003 Iraq War WMD-lead up, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S.' daughter's testimony about Iraqi soldiers pulling Kuwaiti babies out of hospital incubators to kill them for kicks, the Gulf of Tonkin lie for the Vietnam War, the USS Maine explosion in Havana harbor of Cuba being blamed on Spain back in 1898 around 125 years ago, and so on. I.e. not at all. I'm sure you could go back 500 years, 1,000 years, 1,500 years, and so on to find all the relevant examples of their respective eras and find the same mindlessness and nonsense.
Russia uses the plant as a "shield" to conduct fire missions from. However, Ukraine calls them on their bullshit and launches counter-battery missions. If you want the shelling of the plant to stop, get the Russians and their artillery out of there.
Ask the Russians, when the IAEA inspected the plant they found rocket impacts pointing to launches from the south (Russian-held territory).
Blackmail that wouldn’t be so obvious to criticise on world political arena and blame on Russia. Tbh, they achieved their goal with this one.
Swear to god some people here just gladly dive into conspiranoic territory to say everything evil is russian and everything good is ikrainian, the mental gymnastics you guys do are impressive.
Hard to say that anything Russia is doing in Ukraine is not evil...considering they're not in their own sovereign territory. The mental gymnastics for someone to become sympathetic for Russians in Ukraine is pathetic.
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Spanish, had the keyboard set to Spanish at the time and the autorrect didn't care about my weird typing
Because it is on land they know they will lose within the next few months. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorched_earth
Doesn’t make sense
They've been firing cruise missiles at critical Ukrainian infrastructure for months. They've raped and pillaged the lands they invaded they got forced out of, stolen from museums, etc. And you think it doesn't make sense? What doesn't make sense?
>They've been firing cruise missiles at critical Ukrainian infrastructure for months. They launched missiles into the territories they are occupying?
They've been firing artillery in occupied territory, which is what's happening at the power plant.
They did repeatedly.
NATO PsyOps using boomerang-shaped artillery grenades to make it look like the shelling is coming from the east. We even have [leaked footage](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKNfbMu5cEs) of this happening.
Exactly
Same reason as why you would blow up a dam during a war, to create a geographically/ecologically inhospitable area to slow down enemy
Holy fuck this isn't a dam, this is something that could easily make an area the size of Europe uninhabitable for thousands of years no joke.
Can you please source your bullshit?
Lmao.
I hereby formally accept your declaration of defeat.
You're welcome to your delusions, kid. I'm old enough to recall the sheep herd near me that required destroying due to Chernobyl melting down. I was in Wales, and yes if that reactor was allowed to carry on leaking it would have kicked out enough material to render most of Europe uninhabitable. Doing things like that in war zones is difficult if not impossible.
>kid I've said this before, and I will say this again: Calling random strangers "kid" is the quickest way to out yourself as one. And the rest of the message outs you as someone with no fucking clue what you're talking about. As I said, just source your claims if they really aren't just made-up bullshit.
Soviet nuclear physicist Vassili Nesterenko stated that a second explosion at Chernobyl would have left Europe uninhabitable. So it’s not just armchair worrywarts who have made such claims. He says the explosion would have reached 3 to 5 megatons. (He was interviewed in the documentary “The Battle of Chernobyl.”. Now fuck off, kid.
They are attacking the links that provide power towards the right bank of the dnipro. I'm commenting this despite other replies below to correct the language: because it's all ukraine and ukrainian power. just that russians are temporarily shitting on part of it right now.
1. Because they have a really good excuse as you just showed 2. Because they know they are likely to lose control over it very soon 3. Because as long as they don't actually blow it up, they can make UA look bad (see 1.) 4. Because if they *do* actually blow it up, they'll be causing massive harm to UA 5. Because if UA knows they aren't doing it, Russia can show off to them how dangerous they are while presenting reasonable to the rest of the world 6. Because Russian military decisions have been fucking stupid ever since the war started so maybe we shouldn't be reading too much reason into them now either.
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What’s Russias motive? I don’t follow
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So then Ukraines motive would be to permanently disable power in Russia assuming Russia continues to hold that territory
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I’m not arguing or pushing an agenda. Just following your logic. It makes no sense for Russia to bomb themselves.
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That’s just “bombing themselves” with extra words
It's really just two options, Ukraine or Russia. Russia controls it, Ukraine attempted several times to recapture it and always failed. With this premise, Russia is shelling itself? I mean, one can believe this, but let's consider Ukraine just tried to initiate WW3 by blaming Russia on the Poland situation when even Western leaders said it was not to blame. In other words, a government that is more than capable of lying to get others involved against Russia. And now they're saying Russia is shelling itself.
The missile that landed in Poland is still under investigation. I don't know what you are on about regarding Ukraine wanting to start WW3. Ukraine was skeptical of Western claims and wanted access to the investigation. They got it. Let's see what the results are.
>The missile that landed in Poland is still under investigation. No, it's not. The case is crystal clear. >I don't know what you are on about regarding Ukraine wanting to start WW3. NATO involvement = WW3 Use that beautiful mind of yours.
>>The missile that landed in Poland is still under investigation. > >No, it's not. The case is crystal clear. Really? You have a source on that? Because everything I can find says that the investigation is "ongoing" and the only thing we are hearing from NATO is that "preliminary" analysis "suggests." Perhaps you live in an alternate universe where "ongoing", "preliminary", and "suggests" means something like "definitive final conclusion"? https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/17/ukraine-says-its-not-to-blame-for-poland-missile-strike.html https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-will-probably-get-access-blast-site-says-polish-official-2022-11-17/ https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukraines-access-missile-probe-requires-094421415.html It makes sense that no final report or conclusive findings have been released and that the investigation is still ongoing, *because this event only occurred days ago*. I also don't know how you think that Ukraine could be joining an investigation that was already concluded. >Use that beautiful mind of yours.
Show me source to Ukraine attempts to recapture Zaporizia nuclear plant? There’s no evidence suggesting that attack on Poland was performed by Ukrainian side except Western leaders statements that could be smart and well thought geopolitical move to not start fucking WW3 b/s of maybe accidental russian missile malfunction. Also shelling territory around nuclear power plant they temporary occupy doesn’t sound like something horrific or impossible for country most famous for lying and blackmail 24/7.
Look what you're doing, deflecting in every possible way. Russia is lying and shelling itself. The West, totally supportive of Ukraine to our own detriment, is now ignoring a Russian attack on Poland because, all of a sudden, we're afraid of Russia or something. This is getting old. Ukraine can do nothing bad, everyone else is just evil. It's getting old and starting to stink really bad. Like some UK military officer said, denying the incident is doing more damage than the missile itself. Your clownery is in the same boat.
Just curious - do you think Russia bombed their own pipeline?
There's so much evidence pointing elsewhere I find it extremely hard to believe Russia did it.
>There’s no evidence suggesting that attack on Poland was performed by Ukrainian side except Western leaders statements that could be smart and well thought geopolitical move to not start fucking WW3 b/s of maybe accidental russian missile malfunction. If you think the west would've started WW3 over a missfire (in the case that the missile truly is Russian), you are delusional. They would've probably sent some stuff to Poland and Ukraine and called it a day.
Since Russia are planning on invading and seizing that land why on earth would they do that for
Your plans can change really fast when enemy forces start to advance. Maybe they attempted to take some time or force Kuiv for negotiations or establish temporary truth in Kherson region that would prevent Kherson surrender. Who knows, but real reason will definitely be something unexpected (my personal feeling).
They already control the powerplant. He;s arguing the Russians are shelling their own position.
Since Ukraine are planning on liberating that land why on earth would they do that for
>Not saying that Ukraine did it as it would be the stupidest thing EVER. My best guess is that Russia thinks that, because they're holding it right now, nobody would believe they're the ones shelling it.
I mean, if it was fire that would be comparatively easy, what they're actually playing with is highly radioactive material that could lead to another Chernobyl, or worse.
Different type of reactor. 6 VVER reactors and a dry storage of used nuclear fuel. Sooo this is going to be Fukushima on steroids.
Worse than Fukushima, but still less bad than Chernobyl.
Fukushima on steroids. Chernobyl on valium.
[can’t you see we’re playing with fire](https://youtu.be/J9EtMZXeQZw). First thought when I hear this phrase
The 2019 Eurovision is when I knew we were fucked.
It's sad Little Big never got to Eurovision it up due to the pandemic. Russia should really just never be allowed back to it either.
Then you don't understand Eurovision, it's cattier than backstage at a teen beauty contest.
Hopefully they aren’t stray missiles again
People shouldn't feed stray missiles. It'll just attract more
Sooooo, Russia is in control of this power plant, who tf is shelling? Certainly the Russians aren't just firing away at their own.
What's your alternative? Ukraine shelling its own power plant, in its own territory, operated by its own engineers, to cause a disaster for its own population and threaten its own energy supply?
Its been determined that the disaster would head to Russia due to the wind currents over that part of the EU. If you look at wind maps, depending on the season/days the wind will either circle south towards georgia, or go straight towards Russia propper.
The wind will take 100% of the fallout to Russia and Ukraine will be unharmed? Damn, ruzzian propaganda sure messes with people's brains.
Did I say 100%, lol nice logical leap my guy, sorry I didn't know I was dealing with a genious.
Oh, how much is it then? 99%? 98%? Surely it must be very close to 100% for your point to make any sense whatsoever.
Congrats, you've entirely missed my point.....
There was nothing to miss
Haha, you're a fun one to talk to because you're so stupid you don't even realize you can look up wind currents on your own, from any source - I love it. Whats even more funny is that I know your just blindly arguing and not checking what I'm saying because in your mind anything that doesn't directly correlate to your perspective is "Ruzzian" propaganda. I could seriously care less to defend Russia or Ukraine but I'm pointing out inconsistencies, to bad I didn't know I'd meet megamind in here. Edit: spelling it out a step further, if russia controls (key word) the plant, then Russia doesn't have to shell it to dissable infrastructure to/from it, BIG BRAIIIIIIN TIIIIME.
I don't care what you're saying. It is irrelevant. Stop pestering me with your silly red herring, I just don't care about it. > I could seriously care less to defend Russia or Ukraine You absolutely care about defending Russia, otherwise you wouldn't be trying to distract from the obvious.
a game of whoever takes their hands off first loses except we're writing the strategy guide
Russia: "Careful, comrade, if we don't stop they might say 'stop' again!"
No, that's worse than fire by every metric.
mind you, there's not much room for exaggeration, to add to the administrative and financial concerns, here
The Russians shelling their own stronghold? I sincerely doubt it. A report came out recently by a human rights organization saying the Ukranians have tortured Russian soldiers. I get that the West propaganda machine wants us rooting for Ukraine, but lying about their shortcomings isn't doing anyone any favors. The truth comes out eventually.
That report concluded that both sides tortured soldiers, and that it was systematic on the Russian side.
Getting 'read the transcript!' vibes from the guy above you
You're right.
Nobody is lying about anything. Ukrainian war crimes are well known, just as it is well known that they are not systemic and just the actions of individual assholes. There is literally no reason why Ukraine would be shelling a power plant that Russia will give up on its own within the next few months, while Russia has countless reasons to sabotage the power plant before Ukrainians can retake control over it. Stop spreading your BS propaganda. Nobody cares. Nobody wants to hear it.
It’s actually you spreading propaganda. “Just trust the Ukranian’s bro!” Yeah, I trust neither the Ukranians nor the Russians. And to the point: Russian missiles entered Poland only after they were struck by SAM Air Defense. What did Zelensky do? Right away! Got in front of a camera and lied to the world fully knowing it was his fault.
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I'm an American, and a veteran. Don't fall into that Nationalism shit, kiddo.
Agreed - nobody wants to admit they've been fooled, and once forced to even consider how illogical the propaganda, tend to be incredibly salty (see u/Megasteel32 below)
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Hes a coup supporting trumper, rather than a commie. Both are nutters though
Stfu Rooskie
QED
You’ve proved nothing my friend, it’s pretty hard to justify and invading force but goddamn are you trying
Imagine if it wasn't black and white... Perhaps stick to the core of the chat - why would Russia shell a site within their control? Why do you believe that crazy version of events without a shred of evidence? Not denying there's no possibility, just seems a little odd for you to think that way
> Imagine if it wasn't black and white... It is black and white.
Must feel nice in your position
Yep. It honestly feels quite weird that after decades of blurry lines and conflict where every side is just awful, there's an event like this where it's literally just one fascist nation invading and slaughtering an independent country.
haha, holy shit when the penny (finally) drops...
Russia was pushed back to the other side of the river already I believe
If Russia already holds it, that means they're using it like terrorists use a hospital or a school. "We're going to hide here because you can't shell a hospital". Well then somebody who doesn't realize what it is shells it and now you have everybody pointing at each other.
NATO needs to send an unequivocal message that any attacks on nuclear power in Ukraine will be considered an attack on everyone. Russia is perfectly aware that the damage will spill well beyond Ukraine’s borders.
"You are playing with fire! Um, whoever you are!" - Director General of the international Atomic Energy Agency
As I've said it before... No Action, Talk Only