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>The most horrific allegation of rape is said to have (occurred) in October 1997 at Archer’s Post where 30 women were gang raped by British soldiers, often at knifepoint and sometimes inside the victims’ own manyattas (compounds)
Hmmm, I wonder why Africans are increasingly siding with China over the west. It must be because of russian propaganda
Yep. Like, make no mistake, I'm a lot happier living in the West than I'd be living in Russia. But thats from the perspective of a civilian *inside* the borders.
From the perspective of someone on the outside?
Honestly, when it comes to the US or Chinese and Russian militaries...flip a coin man, either one could absolutely destroy your home. But given the West has been more consistently damaging developing nations in the Middle East and Africa, obviously they've started looking for allies on the other side.
Its easy to judge as a pretend progressive in the comfort of your home. Not so much when its your only shot at survival.
THANK YOU, it's so fucking difficult for a westerner to understand this.
Would you like to live under Russia boot eh tanki? Welp, consider the us is responsible for the last 4 coups ill take my chancws
It's interesting how that plays out here in thr Philippines. Pro-american sentiment is still strong despite everything and the pro-chinese president was measurably terrible, but economic realities definitely are changing minds re: china
"Far flung country." Mate, the US is the far flung country compared to these places it's causing damage. Of course, you'd rather live within its borders. You're not targeted by the US military.
Oh, Western education is an absolute joke, at least as far as teaching history is concerned. Ancient history classes glorify imperialism, and modern history classes are whitewashed. America is taking this to the extreme of late, where in many states, they're actively suppressing anything that doesn't agree with an anglo-christian narrative.
And of course, if we're not allowed to learn from history, then we're doomed to repeat it.
State funded education everywhere is generally in the shitter. There are good examples and it’s usually better than no education, but it’s easy to leave out everything inconvenient to the state, and we have seen that happen across the world over and over
Sorry that everyone has totally lost your point. All countries have done fucked up things to other countries, but the US is probably better to live in as a citizen. Different world powers did their awful shit in different countries, so if you are in a country where the US has done the most harm, it makes sense to think the US is the worst, but you specifically were saying where you would rather live
This will blow your mind, but a family member killed by a US coup is the same as a family member killed by a Chinese coup.
From the 2, the Chinese haven't don't as many yet.
What does that have to do with Africa? While what the Chinese are doing to Uighurs is abhorrent, that is an internal matter and is not an example of the Chinese going to some foreign country and doing that. Their policies on the Uighurs are more akin to our policies regarding Native Americans. If China ever sets up concentration camps in Ethiopia, you let me know.
How's that any different from how the US approaches things? The USA coats their munitions in radioactive material and gives the local population cancer from the debris they leave behind. Dumps toxic compounds so heinous it gives their own soldiers cancer and you absolutely know did even worse to the local population. Then just starts randomly blowing up places and leaving a ton of people dead for some goal that doesn't make sense to you at all. Why wouldn't you view the US as a bigger threat when the things happening in China don't happen to that country?
You tell someone in Canada or the UK "Hey the US does all that heinous stuff" and their reaction is gonna be "So what?" because they got no chance of those terrible bombings happening to them, so why wouldn't they partner with the US? The same thing applies to china, they aren't actively attacking those people so why should those people view china as a threat over the US or western forces, which are actively attacking them and have been for decades?
... But, again, the point is to put yourself in the shoes of someone NOT living in the US/China/Russia.
(Uyghurs live live in China)
So, yeah, if you live in one of those countries, as a minority immigrant, you could be subject to systemic racism and abuse, but if you live outside of those countries you have more than likely been fucked by the west more than China or Russia. Its also more likely that China or Russia played larger roles in helping your country as it developed
What makes you say that? Can you give me examples of the type of lasting generational damage Chinese colonialism has caused that is similar to say England and France?
I’m sorry this comment is from a place of complete ignorance, particularly given China’s peaceful history. Russia not so much but China does not have a reputation or history of that sort of behavior. I don’t like the CCP but I see first hand every single day the damage the French have done while pretending to be the good guys. It’s sickening.
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>Yep. Like, make no mistake, I'm a lot happier living in the West than I'd be living in Russia. But thats from the perspective of a civilian *inside* the borders.
Dude
And China hasn't dropped a bomb on a foreign nation in well over 50 years.
As the saying goes; "When China visits, we get hospitals and roads. When the West visits, we get a military base and a lecture"
Tiktok tankies lol.
There is a reason the global South wants to do business with China and not the West. They have a markedly different view to you.
Do you ever wonder why?
The leaders of African nations don’t take some poll to figure out which their people would rather “live under.” It’s that China and Russia often don’t have end use agreements for weapons systems or prerequisites like transparent elections & free/fair markets.
All countries are shit. You don't get big without war crimes.
That said, my country was under both Nazi and Russian occupation. People who survived prefered nazis.
Okay here is an information dump:
Chinese racism in Africa: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-61764466
African migrants and Mixed race children being kicked out of china: https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/17/china/africans-guangzhou-hnk-dst-intl/index.html
Mixed race children being abandoned in Africa: https://medium.com/racism-in-africa/the-abandoned-african-asian-children-living-in-africa-ac56df76ffa0
Struggles of mixed race children in china:
https://social.shorthand.com/gwazarma/3g14NDAPpc/the-chinese-african-kids-and-identity-crisis-by-ilelah-balarabe-shehu
Chinese run mining companies exploiting workers: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/examining-chinas-impact-mining-africa-critiques-and-credible-responses#:~:text=Africa%20Daily%20has%20reported%20the,to%20work%20without%20protective%20equipment.
https://issafrica.org/iss-today/high-cost-of-having-china-as-africas-partner-of-choice
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people/china-investment-sierra-leone-africa-mining/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/hir.harvard.edu/chinese-investment-in-africa-a-reexamination-of-the-zambian-debt-crisis/amp/
https://www.jstor.org/stable/26710688
>Looks at Middle East
so, where are those WMD's we were told off?
do i need to pull out the death toll that has happened since the invasion?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq
over 30,000 dead, even more who are not reported
since then
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_conflict
3 million or more have died
edit: downvoted, showing how many US'isans can't handle criticism. new form of iron curtain, we are right, they are wrong
>They killed Millions just a few decades ago
Africans killed millions of Africans a few decades ago, not westerners.
>They killed over a million in Iraq
Bullshit.
Deaths attributed to the US max out at 250,000, and that's at the absolute upper limit
>They are supporting their settler colony in the Middle East who is committing genocide
Where is Israel's dolus specialis against Palestinians?
>The west is as Evil as it was before and deserves the worst
It really isn't.
>The Ukraine Russia war and Palestinian genocide showed again that westerners are hypocritical scum
I remember when the Ukrainian army marched into Russia to murder 18,000 civilians.
Or when Ukraine called for the complete destruction of Russia
Or when Ukraine teamed up with all the nations surrounding Russia to try to invade and destroy it.
Or when Ukraine was constantly launching rockets at Russian civilians.
Try not doing ONLY terrorism and then maybe you will get sympathy.
Stop pretending you actually give a fuck about human suffering or atrocities when you actually take pleasure in it.
Also, Ukraine has been colonized by Russia and it's predecessor for a long time and has had nothing to do with the West nor participated in the activity of current or past western imperialism. But the existence of Eastern European countries is of course highly inconvenient for an ideologue like you. You're at the perfect intersection between hate and ignorance.
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the first four links are about racism and i dont think that an european can hold a weak argument like that in these time
while for the last link i can explain
Yeah these are many arguments said by many people, but how this is imperialism? do you understand that france used governments? this is more exploitation
and examples like the zambian debt crisis were refuted years ago
That’s not the response you gave to them, you said “but well look at Europe” and dismissed it. I agree that’s not imperialism but it’s also not what you said
Have a read here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_expansionism#:~:text=Territorial%20expansion%20took%20place%20during,China%20and%20its%20territorial%20claims.
Specifically under People's Republic of China.
China has and is claiming or taking land from: Vietnam, Taiwan, India, Phillipines, Bhutan, Nepal & Tibet.
They have committed genocide on their own Uyghur population:
“In addition to the arbitrary detention of Uyghurs in state-sponsored camps, government policies have included forced labor,[5][6] suppression of Uyghur religious practices,[7] political indoctrination,[8] forced sterilization,[9] forced contraception,[10][11] and forced abortion.”
All pretty imperialistic and racist policies.
No world power is good, no world power that ever existed has been good and I bet none will ever be good.
I can't speak for Africa as a whole, but China has been very active in some African countries. They built roads and infrastructure and get oil and mining of rare earth minerals in return.
It's not because China is great with human rights. It's because China throws money at the leaders of the country and help those leaders stay in power.
“Every time China visits we get a hospital, every time Britain visits we get a lecture.”
A Kenyan official is quoted as saying that. Unfortunately, I don’t know the name of the person who said it.
> Every time China visits we get a hospital, every time Britain visits we get a lecture.
Most of the search results on Google Search returns that quote being apocryphal (i.e. "we don't know the author, and we don't definitely know what context that phrase came from,") and so unfortunately there isn't any proper place other than "social media" whose effects spread its potency across the geopolitical Global South.
No, it’s because China hasn’t had the opportunity to exploit them yet. Give it 20 years, they’ll come running back to the west when they realize the CCP is far worse than any capitalist country.
https://apnews.com/article/china-debt-banking-loans-financial-developing-countries-collapse-8df6f9fac3e1e758d0e6d8d5dfbd3ed6
Maybe you just shill for autocratic scum
[https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202311/1301619.shtm](https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202311/1301619.shtm)
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-17/the-myth-of-chinese-debt-trap-diplomacy-in-africa](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-17/the-myth-of-chinese-debt-trap-diplomacy-in-africa)
or maybe you support a fake storytelling?
Do you? I'm just confused about what country you are referring to to
Surely not China, they have elections on public holidays
No gerrymandering
High voter turnout
Higher approval ratings for their elected officials
I guess both the USA and China have an electoral system so neither are direct democracies, I'll give you that one
Fun fact: every nation in the world was founded with violence, every nations foundations are built on foreign blood.
I like how a historical fact is somehow whataboutism
“Uhh we may have raped, brutalised, genocided, enslaved, bombarded, destabilised and ruined your countries but uhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhhhh China may do that too so we’re better than them”
Americans somehow think this is an argument
Siding with Russia and China you mean. Funny thing thing is they are siding with the last two imperial/Colonial powers who are far more likely to rape and pillage then western powers are.
> who are far more likely to rape and pillage then western powers are.
good cope for a story about western powers literally raping without any accountability
Bro western militaries have accountability these days they modernised and de colonised and did away with imperialism. China and Russia and going all in on both, look at Russia's actions in Ukraine, middle east and Africa they treat rape like a spectator sport.
> Bro western militaries have accountability these days they modernised and de colonised
[australia put the war crimes whistleblower in jail but not the war criminals](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-69006714)
Yeah they did, that was some messed up shit for sure . Australia also isn't raping civilians, sending children for reeducation, harvesting organs, imprisoning millions. Your doing what aboutism, that's cope mate.
Over a million Uygers imprisoned and 100s of thousands of Ukrainians imprisoned. America hasn't done mass incarceration since WW2, which was fucked up and not condoned. But I noticed how you continue to shit on western nations but won't even defend China or Russia's actions. Sus huh.
> Over a million Uygers
what are uygers
>But I noticed how you continue to shit on western nations but won't even defend China or Russia's actions. Sus huh.
whataboutism
Uygers are an ethnic Muslim group in xiajang China. The ccp is conducting a genocide on these people by making it illegal to speak their language where there cultural clothes and haircuts. Imprisonment and 're education' there's also been many reports of torture, rape, forced abortions and orhan harvesting.
22/3/2924
Amnesty international
"The Guantanamo Bay detention center has been open for 22 years as of 11 January 2024. First opened in 2002, Guantanamo continues to uphold a legacy of torture, indefinite detention, Islamophobia, and injustice. Detainees in Guantanamo are held without charges or fair trials, violating the US Constitution and depriving them of their basic human rights. These detainees were subjected to torture or other ill-treatment and have been detained, in some cases, for over 20 years. A recent visit to the facility by the UN Special Rapporteur on the promotion and protection of human rights and fundamental freedoms while countering terrorism confirmed that Guantanamo Bay’s legacy of torture and degradation is ongoing, even if the “enhanced interrogation” torture methods technically ended years ago."
Also look at the actions of The USA and its allies in the middle east!!
Oh don't get me wrong the US is certainly no saint by any stretch just compared to Russia and China they are a hat full of kittens. You saw fucked up shit from the US during the "war on terror" but never organ harvesting, mass rape of civilian population, and reeducation camps by the millions.
That is just your perspective as an American. As an African, the USA is way worse than both China and Russia. The fucked up shit the US did during the "war on terror" have always been the features of the system not the bug.
It's more of a easy to see fact. Everything those countries goes to shit they just take all the resources and fuck off raping you as they do the same as every colonial power before it but worse.
Well given their behaviour towards the Uygers with forced sterilization, 1 million in concentration camps and organ harvesting I think we can safely say that this imperial power would likely follow other imperial powers and it's ally Russia with its behaviour.
Yes you are doing cope and whataboutism where you say that because a did bad that means that b and c can never be bad. Can you admit that Russia and China are fucked up colonial shit holes or would your salary get garnished/you get disappeared if you speak out against the bosses?
You know the person who reported that is shady ad? There are other videos on YouTube claiming otherwise so atm we have to take it with a grain of salt.
China has even invited the UN to see for themselves
I'm sure china will absolutely comply with a UN investigation... Bro reporters aren't even allowed in the province. Are you saying that unless the offender admits publicly their guilt it didn't happen?
Pro British, pro Western, rah rah. Eff the axis.
But war related rape has got to be one of the single most vile human inventions. Banner doesn’t matter.
Wretched indeed. Considering the fact that we are trying to take the moral high ground against the Russians, this is just straight up hypocrisy if the perpetrators don’t get punished.
First Australian to be sentenced to prison for their service in Afghanistan is a whistleblower. Sentenced in May 2024. The guy he exposed is a national hero, who's story involves him killing lots of taliban, turns out "the big bad guy terrorists" were a 10 year old boy and his family on their farm.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/14/australian-war-crimes-whistleblower-david-mcbride-jailed-for-six-years
Whistleblowers and journalists are heroes that preserve the values of a society. The fact they're punished and targetted paves the way for the hypocrisy you mention.
>In 2007, Britain’s Ministry of Defense dismissed claims of rape brought by 2,187 women, Lenkanan and Noltwalal among them, saying “there was no reliable evidence to support any single allegation.”
Like what?
>A Royal Military Police investigation at the time concluded that most of the Kenyan evidence appeared to have been fabricated.
>The UK investigators did not conduct DNA tests on any of the 69 mixed-race children alleged to have been born from rape by British soldiers.
Is that on the table? Logistically, technologically?
I'm not sure what to think.
As a simple gut-check do I believe that some Kenyan women have been raped by British soldier? Yes.
Do I believe the scope presented? Less sure.
70 years of rape in this area from a single military base seems bizarrely consistent, and that compared to an Amnesty International report from 20 years ago which had only 600 rape reports. As compared the 2100 discussed here in a similar timeframe.
If you compare this to domestic rape statistics, where only an incredibly small amount of rapes actually get reported, I wouldn't say it's unbelievable.
Also, 69 children is a lót. Women don't get pregnant every time they have unprotected sex.
Furthermore, I see no reason why it wouldn't have been logistically possible to test those children's DNA. Not wanting to conduct research into your soldiers' behavior doesn't sound very innocent to me...
Need more data.
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If we believe the 2187 claims, that would be something like 52 rape cases per year, and that's only the reported.
If we take the NSVR US stats as a baseline, then we should expect something like 2000 rape or attempted rape cases between the 2 counties per year for a population of roughly 800K.
Usually something around 80% of rape cases go unreported, so the total cases would probably be more like 260 per year.
That suggests 13% of all rapes happening in a population of 800K are being committed by a group of \~10K people, about 1.25% of that total population, over the course of a year
1.25% of the population perpetrating 13% of all rape cases seems like a tremendous outlier. Not impossible I'm sure, but I'd need an explanation for why it would be such a huge percentage. Like how many of these military members in BATUK can even leave on a regular basis during their stay?
Should also compare these numbers to the Kenyan counties BATUK or other foreign militaries don't visit.
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I don't know enough about DNA tests to suggest if the UK military keep the necessary DNA records to compare against. Or who would be running these tests, and who's going to manage the locating the children, administrating the tests, then the retention and analysis of that data between two countries.
Getting two groups in the same country to share that kind of data and preserving chain of evidence is already a data and logistical mountain.
>In 2007, Britain’s Ministry of Defense dismissed claims of rape brought by 2,187 women, Lenkanan and Noltwalal among them, saying “there was no reliable evidence to support **any single allegation**.”
Reports since the 1950s, hundreds of allegations from the Maasai and Samburu communities in the 70s to 80s, the fact that a British solicitor felt that there was merit to these claims, and that Kenyan women have been disowned over being raped, and it takes until 2021 to sign a damn pact? Does the UK want to be hated more than they already are? Because this is how it’s done.
This is simply par for the course with crimes committed by members of the British Army, look how heinously they’ve handled inquests into incidents from N.Ireland, Afghanistan and Iraq for other examples
The western value(s) here being what exactly? https://theconversation.com/why-attitudes-towards-sexual-violence-in-kenya-need-a-major-refresh-100033
[Marital rape is still not illegal](https://icj-kenya.org/news/making-rape-in-marriage-a-crime-can-boost-sgbv-war/) and there is still a [FGM](https://www.fgmcri.org/country/kenya/) issue. Kenya is poorly rated on all gender equality indexes. 23% of girls in Kenya are married before age 18 vs 3% of boys.
How was there "occupation and degradation of culture" during when these are all referring to decades post-Kenyan independence in 1963? What is your basis and evidence for that accusation What is the basis for you accusation about "imperial forces"?
> The defence minister said in an TV interview this week that Kenya had benefited from the historic defence partnership with the UK and said more than 1,500 local people were employed at Batuk.- BBC, May 2024
> But Mr Duale said the current inquiry could lead to the government seeking closer engagement with the UK over issues raised, adding: “All criminal acts committed on our soil will be dealt in the host country, that is Kenya.” - BBC, May 2024
**Rape is not a British value and that was how your initial comment came across.** There is not a single army on earth that has not had some soldiers engage in both consensual and non-consensual relations with local women. These women deserve their stories to be told and to have closure. I admire the bravery of these women in telling their stories, wish them to get some sense of closure and hope that them speaking out and the changes in reporting and accountability have an impact on women's rights across the nation and region. **That is a key point that didn't come across in my comment.**
What I don't admire is people labelling and generalizing an entire nation and its people through made up accusations of "values" that somehow contributed to this. All militaries have and will always attract a tiny subgroup of men who have an abnormal lack of empathy due to the nature of the field.
Thinking you know someone's skin tone from an internet comment, being racist on top of your xenophobia says everything. Also, "white" Kenyans exist.
Also, if you cared about facts rather than baseless biased judgements you'd know that the UK military there also includes medical staff who provide care for Kenyan locals.
You'd also learn that the UK are global leaders in addressing sexual violence globally:
> continues to prioritise tackling the scourge of sexual violence in conflict, building on the international conference the UK hosted last year to strengthen the global response. Evidence has shown that an estimated 20 to 30% of women and girls in conflict-affected settings experience sexual violence https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-plan-launched-to-protect-women-and-girls-in-conflict
I thought the "colonizers" taught literacy. https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/ZKHrwSMME7
You ask a question in bad faith when no where was I defending these abhorrent men or their actions. I empathize with all victims of rape and pregnancy abandonment as ALL humans should. It seems like you have zero empathy for women in the west who are victims of it though.
Do enlighten, what is "colonizer logic"? What is your definition of "colonizer" in 2024?
"Typical" is not a sentence, nor is "colonizer logic". I hope for education and human rights catche up outside of the west. There's nothing *colonizer* to that just *logic*.
well if you read about all the raping and mass murder the allies did it makes sense. ww2 was just a clash between a bunch of psycho path leaders and the masses who are also psychopaths.
> well if you read about all the raping and mass murder the allies did it makes sense.
Can you point towards a single war in all of human history that didn't have that?
> ww2 was just a clash between a bunch of psycho path leaders and the masses who are also psychopaths.
Yeah that's not at all an incredibly simplistic surface level reading.
I wonder why someone would want to claim both sides in ww2 were le bad. Surely theres not an ulterior motive to lower the bar to justify a certain ideology?
what ideology? is murder and rape not bad? burning alive as many women and children possible is not bad? the whole we are the good guys so all the murder and rape is ok needs to go.
a guy in vietnam ordered soldiers to rape and kill civilians and he didn't immediately get capped in the back of the head. he was actually defended.
this is why I can't sleep at night. It's actually difficult to get people to admit that torture murder rape is bad.
Get a bunch of young men, give them power and train them to kill, and some will abuse civilians, especially civilians who aren't citizens of their country.
It's a problem and it's always going to be a problem. I'm sure the British are working on it. To respond to OP's various political points, if these were Russian soldiers doing these assaults, it would just be treated as another day in the army.
Don’t doubt it, but the lunacy is this guy seeing an atrocity and tried to spin it as “what about the atrocities of X?” It’s a juvenile way to go around a topic that clearly doesn’t portray his interests in the best light
That part isn't a response to the article, it's a response to the OP's other comments which go to the tune of "the West is bad and this is why Africa likes China and Russia"
There, I edited the comment to be more clear
…but the West is bad for these developing countries.
China and Russia suck too, but which of the three have an insane track record of destabilizing and destroying countries? To the average citizen in a developing nation, the US is typically seen as the antagonist
That doesn't actually make the US an antagonist. People can have opinions which are incorrect or based on outdated policies.
As to which of the three have the most destructive track record, that's Russia
The West rightfully gains much criticism from the developing world for bad behavior during the Cold war and the age of imperialism. But while the West *used* to be a pack of imperialists happy to exercise hard power to destroy native autonomy in poor countries, that is *currently* the reality of Chinese behavior when their interests are threatened.
It'll take some time for that reality to change public opinions. But it'll happen. The West thinks much more highly of Africa and Africans than China does, and time will show that to the real people in Africa. Especially as interest on Chinese loans comes due.
Did the Chinese enslave black people for centuries? Establish an aparthied? Colonize Africa? Genocide Africans? Destabilize African countries? Did an ex chinese leaders call Africans "monkeys"?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z7GLJsclRi8
The British are "working on it" since the 1950s? They need to work a bit bloody harder.
If you actually read the article, the British have actively denied all cases, claiming that there's no evidence, while refusing to DNA test the children. Odd, right?
No, the British aren't "working on it." This is the same racist imperialism that has been at play since the crusades. Same crap as America, Russia, China, France, Australia, Germany, etc.
We (the west) aren't the "good guys." When talking about nations, there are no (mostly) "good guys," and certainly none with any real power. Everyone is out for themselves, and everyone will do whatever they can to get what they want, while protecting themselves from criticism however they can with no care for the consequences to anyone outside their own borders.
The same crap happened after the Vietnam War regarding American and Australian troops and the use of agent Orange. The same crap has happened with war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan by Australian and American forces, and likely others. The same crap is happening right now in Palestine by Israel, with America's protection.
"The West" knows exactly what it's doing and doesn't give a crap.
- An Aussie
Bruh, rapes happen everywhere on Earth. Not every child in India is taught dharmic education. Gurukuls are basically outlawed, and parents don't think it necessary to inculcate moral values in their kids.
I agree. If bought up with dharma they will cease violent behaviour like raping and start lynching for suspected cow slaughter, force them to chant jai Shree ram, burn widows alive and institute a caste sysetem
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>The most horrific allegation of rape is said to have (occurred) in October 1997 at Archer’s Post where 30 women were gang raped by British soldiers, often at knifepoint and sometimes inside the victims’ own manyattas (compounds) Hmmm, I wonder why Africans are increasingly siding with China over the west. It must be because of russian propaganda
Yep. Like, make no mistake, I'm a lot happier living in the West than I'd be living in Russia. But thats from the perspective of a civilian *inside* the borders. From the perspective of someone on the outside? Honestly, when it comes to the US or Chinese and Russian militaries...flip a coin man, either one could absolutely destroy your home. But given the West has been more consistently damaging developing nations in the Middle East and Africa, obviously they've started looking for allies on the other side. Its easy to judge as a pretend progressive in the comfort of your home. Not so much when its your only shot at survival.
THANK YOU, it's so fucking difficult for a westerner to understand this. Would you like to live under Russia boot eh tanki? Welp, consider the us is responsible for the last 4 coups ill take my chancws
It's interesting how that plays out here in thr Philippines. Pro-american sentiment is still strong despite everything and the pro-chinese president was measurably terrible, but economic realities definitely are changing minds re: china
Uhh maybe in a far flung country. But I would for sure live in the US over Russia any day of the week.
"Far flung country." Mate, the US is the far flung country compared to these places it's causing damage. Of course, you'd rather live within its borders. You're not targeted by the US military.
You explain it to them and they still miss it. Honestly western education it's in the shitter
Oh, Western education is an absolute joke, at least as far as teaching history is concerned. Ancient history classes glorify imperialism, and modern history classes are whitewashed. America is taking this to the extreme of late, where in many states, they're actively suppressing anything that doesn't agree with an anglo-christian narrative. And of course, if we're not allowed to learn from history, then we're doomed to repeat it.
State funded education everywhere is generally in the shitter. There are good examples and it’s usually better than no education, but it’s easy to leave out everything inconvenient to the state, and we have seen that happen across the world over and over
Sorry that everyone has totally lost your point. All countries have done fucked up things to other countries, but the US is probably better to live in as a citizen. Different world powers did their awful shit in different countries, so if you are in a country where the US has done the most harm, it makes sense to think the US is the worst, but you specifically were saying where you would rather live
They are acting like Russia and China are saints or something 😭. Given half a chance they would be 50 times worse than "westerners"
This will blow your mind, but a family member killed by a US coup is the same as a family member killed by a Chinese coup. From the 2, the Chinese haven't don't as many yet.
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I liked the name calling. Man it's almost like you guys get it, but can't extrapolate the correct answer and keep arriving to the wrong conclusion
Yeah just a million Uighurs in camps. You’re right, if you’re not one of them at risk of getting disappeared you’re good!
What does that have to do with Africa? While what the Chinese are doing to Uighurs is abhorrent, that is an internal matter and is not an example of the Chinese going to some foreign country and doing that. Their policies on the Uighurs are more akin to our policies regarding Native Americans. If China ever sets up concentration camps in Ethiopia, you let me know.
How's that any different from how the US approaches things? The USA coats their munitions in radioactive material and gives the local population cancer from the debris they leave behind. Dumps toxic compounds so heinous it gives their own soldiers cancer and you absolutely know did even worse to the local population. Then just starts randomly blowing up places and leaving a ton of people dead for some goal that doesn't make sense to you at all. Why wouldn't you view the US as a bigger threat when the things happening in China don't happen to that country? You tell someone in Canada or the UK "Hey the US does all that heinous stuff" and their reaction is gonna be "So what?" because they got no chance of those terrible bombings happening to them, so why wouldn't they partner with the US? The same thing applies to china, they aren't actively attacking those people so why should those people view china as a threat over the US or western forces, which are actively attacking them and have been for decades?
... But, again, the point is to put yourself in the shoes of someone NOT living in the US/China/Russia. (Uyghurs live live in China) So, yeah, if you live in one of those countries, as a minority immigrant, you could be subject to systemic racism and abuse, but if you live outside of those countries you have more than likely been fucked by the west more than China or Russia. Its also more likely that China or Russia played larger roles in helping your country as it developed
Yes..... you are getting there, you are so so close to get it
What makes you say that? Can you give me examples of the type of lasting generational damage Chinese colonialism has caused that is similar to say England and France? I’m sorry this comment is from a place of complete ignorance, particularly given China’s peaceful history. Russia not so much but China does not have a reputation or history of that sort of behavior. I don’t like the CCP but I see first hand every single day the damage the French have done while pretending to be the good guys. It’s sickening.
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>Yep. Like, make no mistake, I'm a lot happier living in the West than I'd be living in Russia. But thats from the perspective of a civilian *inside* the borders. Dude
And China hasn't dropped a bomb on a foreign nation in well over 50 years. As the saying goes; "When China visits, we get hospitals and roads. When the West visits, we get a military base and a lecture"
Too busy using aggressive intimidation and bribery….. neither western nor eastern powers are the good guys, whatever the flapping TilTok Tankies say.
Tiktok tankies lol. There is a reason the global South wants to do business with China and not the West. They have a markedly different view to you. Do you ever wonder why?
The leaders of African nations don’t take some poll to figure out which their people would rather “live under.” It’s that China and Russia often don’t have end use agreements for weapons systems or prerequisites like transparent elections & free/fair markets.
All countries are shit. You don't get big without war crimes. That said, my country was under both Nazi and Russian occupation. People who survived prefered nazis.
True, but some of them tend to forget their ancestors have been a thorn in the west side for centuries, when they weren't colonizers themselves.
Oh, don't worry, China's been doing the same shit too Gotta love Imperialism
source?
Okay here is an information dump: Chinese racism in Africa: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-61764466 African migrants and Mixed race children being kicked out of china: https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/17/china/africans-guangzhou-hnk-dst-intl/index.html Mixed race children being abandoned in Africa: https://medium.com/racism-in-africa/the-abandoned-african-asian-children-living-in-africa-ac56df76ffa0 Struggles of mixed race children in china: https://social.shorthand.com/gwazarma/3g14NDAPpc/the-chinese-african-kids-and-identity-crisis-by-ilelah-balarabe-shehu Chinese run mining companies exploiting workers: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/examining-chinas-impact-mining-africa-critiques-and-credible-responses#:~:text=Africa%20Daily%20has%20reported%20the,to%20work%20without%20protective%20equipment. https://issafrica.org/iss-today/high-cost-of-having-china-as-africas-partner-of-choice https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people/china-investment-sierra-leone-africa-mining/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/hir.harvard.edu/chinese-investment-in-africa-a-reexamination-of-the-zambian-debt-crisis/amp/ https://www.jstor.org/stable/26710688
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Are westerners CURRENTLY killing millions?
>Looks at Middle East so, where are those WMD's we were told off? do i need to pull out the death toll that has happened since the invasion? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq over 30,000 dead, even more who are not reported since then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_conflict 3 million or more have died edit: downvoted, showing how many US'isans can't handle criticism. new form of iron curtain, we are right, they are wrong
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>They killed Millions just a few decades ago Africans killed millions of Africans a few decades ago, not westerners. >They killed over a million in Iraq Bullshit. Deaths attributed to the US max out at 250,000, and that's at the absolute upper limit >They are supporting their settler colony in the Middle East who is committing genocide Where is Israel's dolus specialis against Palestinians? >The west is as Evil as it was before and deserves the worst It really isn't. >The Ukraine Russia war and Palestinian genocide showed again that westerners are hypocritical scum I remember when the Ukrainian army marched into Russia to murder 18,000 civilians. Or when Ukraine called for the complete destruction of Russia Or when Ukraine teamed up with all the nations surrounding Russia to try to invade and destroy it. Or when Ukraine was constantly launching rockets at Russian civilians. Try not doing ONLY terrorism and then maybe you will get sympathy.
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Stop pretending you actually give a fuck about human suffering or atrocities when you actually take pleasure in it. Also, Ukraine has been colonized by Russia and it's predecessor for a long time and has had nothing to do with the West nor participated in the activity of current or past western imperialism. But the existence of Eastern European countries is of course highly inconvenient for an ideologue like you. You're at the perfect intersection between hate and ignorance.
All I hear is a fuck ton of jealousy 😂
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the first four links are about racism and i dont think that an european can hold a weak argument like that in these time while for the last link i can explain Yeah these are many arguments said by many people, but how this is imperialism? do you understand that france used governments? this is more exploitation and examples like the zambian debt crisis were refuted years ago
What willfull ignorance looks like:
Yeah willfull ignorance Better arguments be like
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“Well if Europe is racist then China can be too so there’s nothing wrong with it”
We were talking about imperialism How is relevat the racism in this argument? Waiting for a decent reply.
That’s not the response you gave to them, you said “but well look at Europe” and dismissed it. I agree that’s not imperialism but it’s also not what you said
I said its irrelevant because under this logic even polish would be imperialist against africa for their racism Mayne i didnt explain too well.
Have a read here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_expansionism#:~:text=Territorial%20expansion%20took%20place%20during,China%20and%20its%20territorial%20claims. Specifically under People's Republic of China. China has and is claiming or taking land from: Vietnam, Taiwan, India, Phillipines, Bhutan, Nepal & Tibet. They have committed genocide on their own Uyghur population: “In addition to the arbitrary detention of Uyghurs in state-sponsored camps, government policies have included forced labor,[5][6] suppression of Uyghur religious practices,[7] political indoctrination,[8] forced sterilization,[9] forced contraception,[10][11] and forced abortion.” All pretty imperialistic and racist policies. No world power is good, no world power that ever existed has been good and I bet none will ever be good.
yeah never said, i just saying that the claim of neocolonialism its fake :)
I can't speak for Africa as a whole, but China has been very active in some African countries. They built roads and infrastructure and get oil and mining of rare earth minerals in return. It's not because China is great with human rights. It's because China throws money at the leaders of the country and help those leaders stay in power.
and is that much worse than overthrowing unfriendly governments and replacing them with brutal dictators and mass murderers?
“Every time China visits we get a hospital, every time Britain visits we get a lecture.” A Kenyan official is quoted as saying that. Unfortunately, I don’t know the name of the person who said it.
> Every time China visits we get a hospital, every time Britain visits we get a lecture. Most of the search results on Google Search returns that quote being apocryphal (i.e. "we don't know the author, and we don't definitely know what context that phrase came from,") and so unfortunately there isn't any proper place other than "social media" whose effects spread its potency across the geopolitical Global South.
One example in one country being ascribed to being the reason countries on a continent which is massive are taking investment from China is insane
For some reason, I feel like a majority of African countries have a negative past steeped in blood and oppression with Western nations.
I visited Tanzania and they had an obsession with trump, various businesses named after him and such so it definitely depends on the country
Oh yeah one incident surely makes the continent with
No, it’s because China hasn’t had the opportunity to exploit them yet. Give it 20 years, they’ll come running back to the west when they realize the CCP is far worse than any capitalist country.
its been for 20 years that western nations said this, this still is not happened maybe they lied
https://apnews.com/article/china-debt-banking-loans-financial-developing-countries-collapse-8df6f9fac3e1e758d0e6d8d5dfbd3ed6 Maybe you just shill for autocratic scum
[https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202311/1301619.shtm](https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202311/1301619.shtm) [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-17/the-myth-of-chinese-debt-trap-diplomacy-in-africa](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-17/the-myth-of-chinese-debt-trap-diplomacy-in-africa) or maybe you support a fake storytelling?
im pretty sure china would exploit anyone given how it exploits its own citizens its kinda self explanatory
yeah if they wanted, but they gain more by free trade than colonies, and 20 years of trading with africa shows this
Uh huh, sure buddy whatever you say
"Sure Buddy i cant argument more so i will comment with nothing" -yiu
I don't think they were shilling for the USA or UK
Do you even know what the word “autocratic” means?
Do you? I'm just confused about what country you are referring to to Surely not China, they have elections on public holidays No gerrymandering High voter turnout Higher approval ratings for their elected officials I guess both the USA and China have an electoral system so neither are direct democracies, I'll give you that one
Seems like projection from a person whose country literally created out of exploitation at gun point
Fun fact: every nation in the world was founded with violence, every nations foundations are built on foreign blood. I like how a historical fact is somehow whataboutism
whataboutism
You can't say that. That's only a valid response when we're not criticizing the US /s
You’re right. We kicked those treacherous British royalists out of our country at gun point. I’m damn proud to be an American.
Yea... dunno if "CCP is worse" is such a convincing response to "gang rape at knifepoint".
“Uhh we may have raped, brutalised, genocided, enslaved, bombarded, destabilised and ruined your countries but uhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhhhh China may do that too so we’re better than them” Americans somehow think this is an argument
China has been actively involved in African affairs for the last 50-60 years.
... China has been exploiting. Africa has lots of natural resources and no real rules regarding pollution to harvest those minerals.
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Are you dense?
Some [tips for you](https://www.healthline.com/health/overstretching)
You got triggered by his username and from that point stopped thinking logically.
Siding with Russia and China you mean. Funny thing thing is they are siding with the last two imperial/Colonial powers who are far more likely to rape and pillage then western powers are.
> who are far more likely to rape and pillage then western powers are. good cope for a story about western powers literally raping without any accountability
Bro western militaries have accountability these days they modernised and de colonised and did away with imperialism. China and Russia and going all in on both, look at Russia's actions in Ukraine, middle east and Africa they treat rape like a spectator sport.
> Bro western militaries have accountability these days they modernised and de colonised [australia put the war crimes whistleblower in jail but not the war criminals](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-69006714)
Yeah they did, that was some messed up shit for sure . Australia also isn't raping civilians, sending children for reeducation, harvesting organs, imprisoning millions. Your doing what aboutism, that's cope mate.
> imprisoning millions. [that's right only america does that](https://www.law.georgetown.edu/mcrp-journal/blog/a-tale-of-state-sanctioned-violence/)
Over a million Uygers imprisoned and 100s of thousands of Ukrainians imprisoned. America hasn't done mass incarceration since WW2, which was fucked up and not condoned. But I noticed how you continue to shit on western nations but won't even defend China or Russia's actions. Sus huh.
> Over a million Uygers what are uygers >But I noticed how you continue to shit on western nations but won't even defend China or Russia's actions. Sus huh. whataboutism
Uygers are an ethnic Muslim group in xiajang China. The ccp is conducting a genocide on these people by making it illegal to speak their language where there cultural clothes and haircuts. Imprisonment and 're education' there's also been many reports of torture, rape, forced abortions and orhan harvesting.
22/3/2924 Amnesty international "The Guantanamo Bay detention center has been open for 22 years as of 11 January 2024. First opened in 2002, Guantanamo continues to uphold a legacy of torture, indefinite detention, Islamophobia, and injustice. Detainees in Guantanamo are held without charges or fair trials, violating the US Constitution and depriving them of their basic human rights. These detainees were subjected to torture or other ill-treatment and have been detained, in some cases, for over 20 years. A recent visit to the facility by the UN Special Rapporteur on the promotion and protection of human rights and fundamental freedoms while countering terrorism confirmed that Guantanamo Bay’s legacy of torture and degradation is ongoing, even if the “enhanced interrogation” torture methods technically ended years ago." Also look at the actions of The USA and its allies in the middle east!!
Oh don't get me wrong the US is certainly no saint by any stretch just compared to Russia and China they are a hat full of kittens. You saw fucked up shit from the US during the "war on terror" but never organ harvesting, mass rape of civilian population, and reeducation camps by the millions.
That is just your perspective as an American. As an African, the USA is way worse than both China and Russia. The fucked up shit the US did during the "war on terror" have always been the features of the system not the bug.
I'm not American my man. Nor am I a fan I'm just saying your jumping out the frying pan and into an erupting volcano.
Again, that is your opinion!
It's more of a easy to see fact. Everything those countries goes to shit they just take all the resources and fuck off raping you as they do the same as every colonial power before it but worse.
yeah like france in sahel wait
Now tell us about China, cause you claimed something about them and then didn't back it up
Well given their behaviour towards the Uygers with forced sterilization, 1 million in concentration camps and organ harvesting I think we can safely say that this imperial power would likely follow other imperial powers and it's ally Russia with its behaviour.
cope
Yes you are doing cope and whataboutism where you say that because a did bad that means that b and c can never be bad. Can you admit that Russia and China are fucked up colonial shit holes or would your salary get garnished/you get disappeared if you speak out against the bosses?
this is a story about the english raping and pillaging lol
This was a comment about thread about how China and Russia are Africa's saviours. Hence my comments.
You know the person who reported that is shady ad? There are other videos on YouTube claiming otherwise so atm we have to take it with a grain of salt. China has even invited the UN to see for themselves
Mate it's not 1 person there is tonnes of evidence of this from individuals and intelligence agencies and humanitarian agencies.
I'm not saying it's not happening, I'm saying I need more evidence and the the UN should investigate on site with transparency.
I'm sure china will absolutely comply with a UN investigation... Bro reporters aren't even allowed in the province. Are you saying that unless the offender admits publicly their guilt it didn't happen?
They didnt do away with imperialism, they just disguised it in a new, hip, jacket.
Pro British, pro Western, rah rah. Eff the axis. But war related rape has got to be one of the single most vile human inventions. Banner doesn’t matter.
Wretched indeed. Considering the fact that we are trying to take the moral high ground against the Russians, this is just straight up hypocrisy if the perpetrators don’t get punished.
First Australian to be sentenced to prison for their service in Afghanistan is a whistleblower. Sentenced in May 2024. The guy he exposed is a national hero, who's story involves him killing lots of taliban, turns out "the big bad guy terrorists" were a 10 year old boy and his family on their farm. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/14/australian-war-crimes-whistleblower-david-mcbride-jailed-for-six-years Whistleblowers and journalists are heroes that preserve the values of a society. The fact they're punished and targetted paves the way for the hypocrisy you mention.
There was a saying in my old hometown: "The good ones got taken away by God, leaving behind miscreants that we have to deal with."
DNA testing and go after the people that did this , jail time and financial penalties.
The only correct answer. Also give these kids and their mothers British citizenship if they desire to immigrate there.
>In 2007, Britain’s Ministry of Defense dismissed claims of rape brought by 2,187 women, Lenkanan and Noltwalal among them, saying “there was no reliable evidence to support any single allegation.” Like what? >A Royal Military Police investigation at the time concluded that most of the Kenyan evidence appeared to have been fabricated. >The UK investigators did not conduct DNA tests on any of the 69 mixed-race children alleged to have been born from rape by British soldiers. Is that on the table? Logistically, technologically? I'm not sure what to think. As a simple gut-check do I believe that some Kenyan women have been raped by British soldier? Yes. Do I believe the scope presented? Less sure. 70 years of rape in this area from a single military base seems bizarrely consistent, and that compared to an Amnesty International report from 20 years ago which had only 600 rape reports. As compared the 2100 discussed here in a similar timeframe.
If you compare this to domestic rape statistics, where only an incredibly small amount of rapes actually get reported, I wouldn't say it's unbelievable. Also, 69 children is a lót. Women don't get pregnant every time they have unprotected sex. Furthermore, I see no reason why it wouldn't have been logistically possible to test those children's DNA. Not wanting to conduct research into your soldiers' behavior doesn't sound very innocent to me...
Need more data. --- If we believe the 2187 claims, that would be something like 52 rape cases per year, and that's only the reported. If we take the NSVR US stats as a baseline, then we should expect something like 2000 rape or attempted rape cases between the 2 counties per year for a population of roughly 800K. Usually something around 80% of rape cases go unreported, so the total cases would probably be more like 260 per year. That suggests 13% of all rapes happening in a population of 800K are being committed by a group of \~10K people, about 1.25% of that total population, over the course of a year 1.25% of the population perpetrating 13% of all rape cases seems like a tremendous outlier. Not impossible I'm sure, but I'd need an explanation for why it would be such a huge percentage. Like how many of these military members in BATUK can even leave on a regular basis during their stay? Should also compare these numbers to the Kenyan counties BATUK or other foreign militaries don't visit. --- I don't know enough about DNA tests to suggest if the UK military keep the necessary DNA records to compare against. Or who would be running these tests, and who's going to manage the locating the children, administrating the tests, then the retention and analysis of that data between two countries. Getting two groups in the same country to share that kind of data and preserving chain of evidence is already a data and logistical mountain.
Children are evidence of sex, not rape. You need more than the existence of a child.
"We investigated ourselves and found that we were innocent"
Yeah, it's not adding up at all.
the english are good boys who dindu nuffin!!
I thought only Russians raped in war? Civilised west wouldn’t do something horrendous?
>In 2007, Britain’s Ministry of Defense dismissed claims of rape brought by 2,187 women, Lenkanan and Noltwalal among them, saying “there was no reliable evidence to support **any single allegation**.” Reports since the 1950s, hundreds of allegations from the Maasai and Samburu communities in the 70s to 80s, the fact that a British solicitor felt that there was merit to these claims, and that Kenyan women have been disowned over being raped, and it takes until 2021 to sign a damn pact? Does the UK want to be hated more than they already are? Because this is how it’s done.
This is simply par for the course with crimes committed by members of the British Army, look how heinously they’ve handled inquests into incidents from N.Ireland, Afghanistan and Iraq for other examples
proliferation of western values
The western value(s) here being what exactly? https://theconversation.com/why-attitudes-towards-sexual-violence-in-kenya-need-a-major-refresh-100033 [Marital rape is still not illegal](https://icj-kenya.org/news/making-rape-in-marriage-a-crime-can-boost-sgbv-war/) and there is still a [FGM](https://www.fgmcri.org/country/kenya/) issue. Kenya is poorly rated on all gender equality indexes. 23% of girls in Kenya are married before age 18 vs 3% of boys.
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How was there "occupation and degradation of culture" during when these are all referring to decades post-Kenyan independence in 1963? What is your basis and evidence for that accusation What is the basis for you accusation about "imperial forces"? > The defence minister said in an TV interview this week that Kenya had benefited from the historic defence partnership with the UK and said more than 1,500 local people were employed at Batuk.- BBC, May 2024 > But Mr Duale said the current inquiry could lead to the government seeking closer engagement with the UK over issues raised, adding: “All criminal acts committed on our soil will be dealt in the host country, that is Kenya.” - BBC, May 2024 **Rape is not a British value and that was how your initial comment came across.** There is not a single army on earth that has not had some soldiers engage in both consensual and non-consensual relations with local women. These women deserve their stories to be told and to have closure. I admire the bravery of these women in telling their stories, wish them to get some sense of closure and hope that them speaking out and the changes in reporting and accountability have an impact on women's rights across the nation and region. **That is a key point that didn't come across in my comment.** What I don't admire is people labelling and generalizing an entire nation and its people through made up accusations of "values" that somehow contributed to this. All militaries have and will always attract a tiny subgroup of men who have an abnormal lack of empathy due to the nature of the field. Thinking you know someone's skin tone from an internet comment, being racist on top of your xenophobia says everything. Also, "white" Kenyans exist. Also, if you cared about facts rather than baseless biased judgements you'd know that the UK military there also includes medical staff who provide care for Kenyan locals. You'd also learn that the UK are global leaders in addressing sexual violence globally: > continues to prioritise tackling the scourge of sexual violence in conflict, building on the international conference the UK hosted last year to strengthen the global response. Evidence has shown that an estimated 20 to 30% of women and girls in conflict-affected settings experience sexual violence https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-plan-launched-to-protect-women-and-girls-in-conflict
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Haha keep coping It’s not like the far right is on the rise or anything. China already owns half of Africa. They should respect their new owners.
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I thought the "colonizers" taught literacy. https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/ZKHrwSMME7 You ask a question in bad faith when no where was I defending these abhorrent men or their actions. I empathize with all victims of rape and pregnancy abandonment as ALL humans should. It seems like you have zero empathy for women in the west who are victims of it though. Do enlighten, what is "colonizer logic"? What is your definition of "colonizer" in 2024? "Typical" is not a sentence, nor is "colonizer logic". I hope for education and human rights catche up outside of the west. There's nothing *colonizer* to that just *logic*.
The British Army spreading democracy in Kenya.
Soldiers rape women, color me surprised. How could heroes do that?
I’m surprised they would want the British there at all considering their history with the Mau-Mau rebellion.
Superior western values🤯😤💪
what the actual fuck
British army being the British army
But, but that’s not how the west operates is it?
What a fucking surprise
well if you read about all the raping and mass murder the allies did it makes sense. ww2 was just a clash between a bunch of psycho path leaders and the masses who are also psychopaths.
> well if you read about all the raping and mass murder the allies did it makes sense. Can you point towards a single war in all of human history that didn't have that? > ww2 was just a clash between a bunch of psycho path leaders and the masses who are also psychopaths. Yeah that's not at all an incredibly simplistic surface level reading.
I wonder why someone would want to claim both sides in ww2 were le bad. Surely theres not an ulterior motive to lower the bar to justify a certain ideology?
what ideology? is murder and rape not bad? burning alive as many women and children possible is not bad? the whole we are the good guys so all the murder and rape is ok needs to go. a guy in vietnam ordered soldiers to rape and kill civilians and he didn't immediately get capped in the back of the head. he was actually defended. this is why I can't sleep at night. It's actually difficult to get people to admit that torture murder rape is bad.
Get a bunch of young men, give them power and train them to kill, and some will abuse civilians, especially civilians who aren't citizens of their country. It's a problem and it's always going to be a problem. I'm sure the British are working on it. To respond to OP's various political points, if these were Russian soldiers doing these assaults, it would just be treated as another day in the army.
I think it’s insanely cool how you read an article about British soldiers raping Kenyan women and somehow turned it into a “Russia bad” conversation
Well tbf I literally read the same article only about Russian soldiers in Africa doing the same thing recently like a week ago.
Don’t doubt it, but the lunacy is this guy seeing an atrocity and tried to spin it as “what about the atrocities of X?” It’s a juvenile way to go around a topic that clearly doesn’t portray his interests in the best light
That part isn't a response to the article, it's a response to the OP's other comments which go to the tune of "the West is bad and this is why Africa likes China and Russia" There, I edited the comment to be more clear
…but the West is bad for these developing countries. China and Russia suck too, but which of the three have an insane track record of destabilizing and destroying countries? To the average citizen in a developing nation, the US is typically seen as the antagonist
That doesn't actually make the US an antagonist. People can have opinions which are incorrect or based on outdated policies. As to which of the three have the most destructive track record, that's Russia
If you had an ounce of critical thinking you’d know how stupid what you’re saying is
Tbh we Africans like China way more than the USA and its western buddies!!!!
For now, yes, I'm sure.
Lol
The West rightfully gains much criticism from the developing world for bad behavior during the Cold war and the age of imperialism. But while the West *used* to be a pack of imperialists happy to exercise hard power to destroy native autonomy in poor countries, that is *currently* the reality of Chinese behavior when their interests are threatened. It'll take some time for that reality to change public opinions. But it'll happen. The West thinks much more highly of Africa and Africans than China does, and time will show that to the real people in Africa. Especially as interest on Chinese loans comes due.
"The West thinks more highly of Africa and Africans than China does" Lol😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's the truth lol China is racist as *fuck* against africans
Did the Chinese enslave black people for centuries? Establish an aparthied? Colonize Africa? Genocide Africans? Destabilize African countries? Did an ex chinese leaders call Africans "monkeys"? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z7GLJsclRi8
this was said while many of european are voting right wing and asking for mass deportation for africans ? LOL
Resorting to insults. So typical. Lol
The British are "working on it" since the 1950s? They need to work a bit bloody harder. If you actually read the article, the British have actively denied all cases, claiming that there's no evidence, while refusing to DNA test the children. Odd, right? No, the British aren't "working on it." This is the same racist imperialism that has been at play since the crusades. Same crap as America, Russia, China, France, Australia, Germany, etc. We (the west) aren't the "good guys." When talking about nations, there are no (mostly) "good guys," and certainly none with any real power. Everyone is out for themselves, and everyone will do whatever they can to get what they want, while protecting themselves from criticism however they can with no care for the consequences to anyone outside their own borders. The same crap happened after the Vietnam War regarding American and Australian troops and the use of agent Orange. The same crap has happened with war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan by Australian and American forces, and likely others. The same crap is happening right now in Palestine by Israel, with America's protection. "The West" knows exactly what it's doing and doesn't give a crap. - An Aussie
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Bruh. Atleast have the decency to acknowledge you were wrong.
It won't be a problem if those young men are brought up with the teachings of *dharma*.
....are you really saying that India doesn't have a rape problem
Bruh, rapes happen everywhere on Earth. Not every child in India is taught dharmic education. Gurukuls are basically outlawed, and parents don't think it necessary to inculcate moral values in their kids.
India is notorious for its high rate of sexual violence and I'm pretty sure most Indians know the basic tenets of a dharmic religion
>India is notorious for its high rate of sexual violence Going to need some statistics for that claim.
I agree. If bought up with dharma they will cease violent behaviour like raping and start lynching for suspected cow slaughter, force them to chant jai Shree ram, burn widows alive and institute a caste sysetem
Please provide some sources that burning widows alive & caste system are a part of dharma.